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Silicon Valley's $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader shares a Bloomberg report: One of the most lavishly funded gadget startups in Silicon Valley last year was Juicero Inc. It makes a juice machine. The product was an unlikely pick for top technology investors, but they were drawn to the idea of an internet-connected device that transforms single-serving packets of chopped fruits and vegetables into a refreshing and healthy beverage. Doug Evans, the company's founder, would compare himself with Steve Jobs in his pursuit of juicing perfection. He declared that his juice press wields four tons of force -- "enough to lift two Teslas," he said. Google's venture capital arm and other backers poured about $120 million into the startup. Juicero sells the machine for $400, plus the cost of individual juice packs delivered weekly. But after the product hit the market, some investors were surprised to discover a much cheaper alternative: You can squeeze the Juicero bags with your bare hands. Two backers said the final device was bulkier than what was originally pitched and that they were puzzled to find that customers could achieve similar results without it.
Here I thought you would stick fruit containers in it, and it would pulp them up. But using bags of... juice? Did no one along the line wonder what the device was actually for?
This device showed up in my FB feed nonstop. There wasn't one good comment or praise. Mostly people pointed out how wasteful the packaging was. I felt like the lack of fiber was bad too.
Modern app appers know that ONLY apps can app apps, and this LUDDITE machine doesn't have an appy app app! It only has LUDDITE juice!
Apps!
The Pico Brewer is almost a 1000 dollars for a machine that homebrews beer. I just don't see spending that kind of money on something that could be home built for substantially less.
It is so simple (and I'm guessing more economical) to go to the grocery store and get some veggies and/or fruits and throw down a regular juicer.
Hell, I have a Breville multi-speed one for about $200....why would someone buy a $400 machine that requires you to buy prepackaged produce to be squeezed out of it...?
How did so many people think this was a bright idea?
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... some investors were surprised to discover a much cheaper alternative: You can squeeze the Juicero bags with your bare hands. Two backers said the final device was bulkier than what was originally pitched and that they were puzzled to find that customers could achieve similar results without it.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
...were drawn to the idea of an internet-connected device that transforms...
...Plants into juice. You absolutely can't compete in the 'juicer space" without internet connectivity; I wonder WTF their competitors were even thinking...
Too much sugar and it rots your teeth. There is a reason your grandma had those little juice cups that were a bit bigger than a shot glass.
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I had originally thought I misread about the bags, saw your comment, reread TFS, and then the article. I have to agree, what exactly is the purpose of this "juicer"?
Seems like they would have been better off just marketing the bags, instead of some overpriced $400 contraption that seems to be completely worthless.
Because "internet connected". Somehow people with money to invest are bedazzled by those words. Eventually they'll learn that it isn't always a good thing.
In the meantime I haven't heard of internet connected irons (as in the ones that heat up and smooth clothes) yet. Feel free to run with that idea because I can't be arsed.
Back in the old days. a pair of HP engineers put in purchase order for a Saturn V rocket launcher and it got all the way to VP before it got cancel. These days you can combine a toaster with an iPhone, call it iToast, and no one will think twice about throwing money at it.
It's not a juicer if it doesn't even make juice. All it's doing is squeezing already made juice out of a fancy bag. So if anything, it is a $400 (after the price drop, looks like it was originally $700) juice dispenser, not juicer. Looking at the photos in the article, it looks like what we would have if CapriSun was made by Apple.
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For more durable transport and easier handling you could even offer options for putting it in cartons or jugs. Where's my $120M now?
Too many people fall for the 'jucing' meme every year, which is why shitty companies keep producing them. You want to eat healthier and be healthier? Eat whole fruits and vegetables instead. Goal attained, and you saved hundreds of dollars in the process. You're welcome.
It's called economy of scale. You can make a lot of beer more cheaply on a per liter basis than a liter at a time.
Silicon Valley is one of the weirdest places you can visit on Earth.
Strange things happen when you take naive, out-of-touch leftists and then give them huge amounts of money that they didn't really earn in any meaningful way.
For example, you end up with a city like San Francisco that's supposedly "liberal" and has immense financial wealth, yet it also has the highest concentration of homeless in America. What's worse, they aren't just homeless, but they act in the most uncivilized ways possible. They urinate and defecate on sidewalks, for example, and then turn around and sleep in their own filth! There are entire districts of the city where this is a typical scene.
You end up with absurd property zoning bylaws that prevent anything resembling modern high-density development. So not only are there many homeless, but housing becomes increasingly scarce and nearly impossible to afford even for those who should be able to support themselves. It even gets to the point that highly-paid professionals, who in other cities live in very nice housing, end up living out of their vehicles.
You end up with a large number of adults who have a mentality that's comparable to that of a child. What's worse, these people somehow become CEOs and other executives at companies. They expect all sorts of unreasonable accommodation, and you shouldn't be surprised to see them crying (yes, with actual tears and pouting) if they don't get their way, or especially if somebody says something "mean" to them.
You end up with technology that's utterly asinine in its concept and execution. For example, just look at the UIs of software like Firefox and Chrome. They're total rubbish. Or you end up with devices that cost a huge amount of money for delivering very little practical value.
When visitors come to Silicon Valley, one of the first things they notice is that they're saying "What the fuck?!" to themselves constantly. The more you learn about the region and its people, the more idiotic it all seems. Things happen there that would be laughed at and ridiculed everywhere else, yet these things are considered perfectly normal by the local inhabitants, despite how much stupidity and idiocy is often involved.
Silicon Valley is all about "What the fuck?!"
Uh, your juicer obviously isn't internet connected, duh. How else can you use their IoT app to start the juicer, automatically request shipments for more overpriced veggie/fruit bags (with DRM in the future I'm sure, (
Kuerig anyone?), and make needless automated social media posts about your healthy juicing/nutrition with embedded advertisements. Oh boy.
I'm sure they also have plans to link with a select for exercise apps/smartwatch apps to import your juice bag data to track your diet and make you feel like you're a super hero.
But it doesn't seem like the machine actually makes juice, it sounds like it's just a press that squeezes the juice out of the bags.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
So ... Juicero Inc. makes a juice machine and that juice machine makes juice ...
It makes both the juicer & the bags that go in it, containing the juicing material. It appears that Juicero makes both juicers and juice. The question might have been about which their focus was on. At $400, they're not giving away the shaver to sell blades, but it's clear that they're partly counting on the subscription model.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
what exactly is the purpose of this "juicer"?
Provide a gravy train of free investor money for a select few at the head of the operation. Duh.
So you buy packets of fruit instead of going to a farmer's market for locally grown organic fruit? Seems like they don't understand the target demographic of juice-a-holics.
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I confess, I RTFA.
Bags are $5-$8 and produce about 8 fluid ounces of juice. There are a lot of chumps in the world, but this is just pushing stupid a few steps too far. Even the special kind of 'stupid' that comes from lack of meat in the diet won't fall for this crap (outside LA anyhow).
The company obviously doesn't understand it's own business model. They are now only selling the bags to known machine purchasers. Apparently to stop 'hand squeezers'. Would HP refuse you printer ink because you hadn't registered your inkjet?
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look at melitta soft pods..
Save the planet... same ease for producing a cup of coffee.
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Cleaning a Keureg is more time-consuming and still has to happen. Automatic drip is essentially cleaned by brewing an empty pot of white vinegar.
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That's a good point... not wanting to sell loss leading machines to nonsubscribers would be one thing, but the consumables certainly ought to be generating margin...
Dumbass investors saw this as a Kuerig for vegans. A new device that accomplishes the goal of selling the most amount of cheap material crap to people at a exorbitantly marked up price, with a potentially successful marketing message of a "better way".
Somehow people bought heavily into the concept of Kuerig, even though you have had small (even single) serving coffee machines for decades and decades. But no, now you can buy a wasteful and expensive single serving cup that you drop in and there's a water tank and a pump that will eventually fail too, all for the low price of 5-10 small, simple, almost never failing, thermosiphon drip coffee maker. Oh and you get to pay tons more for your easy to use coffee cups now too! Yay!
A lot of people seem to think their lives get better as they acquire more technology. Doesn't matter what it is. If it has a button and a screen and it does something that didn't have a screen before, its better. Now it even has the internet so it can do... even more things or something.
TL;DR Why? Because stupidly blind and wasteful consumerism.
It puts a smile on my face to see such an expensive shit device like this fail so hard.
There's a lot of people out there who seem to think that the more money they spend on a "health product", the healthier they'll be.
I... honestly don't know how these people seem to have the disposable income to pay for this stuff. You'd think they'd have been fleeced and left in a cycle of poverty shortly after moving out of their parents home...
Log in or piss off.
and who is stupid enough to think all my kitchen appliances need internet connections, sheesh only an idiot would pay 400 dollars for a juicer, these fools deserve to go bankrupt,
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Consider this quote from TFA: "Tech blogs have dubbed it a 'Keurig for juice.'" Then consider how Keurig machines and the coffee pods they use have sold over the past few years. Nobody ever went broke overestimating people's laziness.
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It is so simple (and I'm guessing more economical) to go to the grocery store and get some veggies and/or fruits and throw down a regular juicer.
Or just buy some juice.
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We have these at work. The juice is quite good, but I see it as a thing for companies or people with money to burn. I make my own juice at home with a Nutribullet every morning: Kale, a pear and an apple. Takes a minute and it's always fresh.
The juicero stuff is quite good, no doubt about it, so no complaints about the quality.
Not only internet connected, but the founder managed to conjure up the ghost of Steve Jobs and inject "Tesla" into his public statements, even though neither has anything to do with a juice squeezer.
probably because their business model was sold to investors as people subscribing to "X juice bags per month for the price of X^1.5! (two-year minimum contract required)". you need the $400 sunk-cost foot-in-the-door to nudge people to sign up for shit like that.
you are describing a relatively reasonable way to make modest profit. this is completely irrelevant, if not antithetical, to Valley business practice.
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So.. your overpriced machine will only juice fruits that were purchased through your company. i.e. the only people who would buy your product, are people who hate themselves.
OMG, I was just kidding. But apparently I was right: it really is just like an iPhone.
That products like these are considered viable, is one of the saddest things ever. But on the bright side, why would a user squeeze the packets themselves? That doesn't waste enough money, and the customer's desire for self-harm is your market. Don't worry about the packet-squeezers; they never would have bought your machine, nor your overpriced packets in the first place. Concentrate on the self-loathing idiots, just like Apple did.
are soon squeezed dry?
TFA says that Alphabet is one of the investors in this miraculous juice technology.
BUT, now you have the power to lift your TWO Teslas!
The selling point is that each bag has a QR patch on the back that is read by the machine when you hook the bag up. It's connected to the internet so that if you attempt to use the bag past it's freshness date, which is on the QR patch, the machine won't let you. The bags are also reusable; the company comes to our office and picks up the used bags and then reuses them (presumably after washing them) to redeliver more juice bags at a later date.
The QR patch and internet connection also allows info to be sent if there's a recall on a bad batch of juice. I would also suspect the company is collecting data on which juices are the most popular and adjusting their products accordingly, as I haven't seen the "Spicy Greens" juice packs in my office in a while, as it seems no one but me was drinking them.
This is not a product for the average user. It's sold I would suspect to companies with a fair amount of employees who can go through the packs regularly and make it worthwhile for the company to purchase packs on a constant basis. The average user probably wouldn't get a great deal of value out of it. But for our company, it is used regularly and often. It's pretty good juice, no doubt about it.
X raised to factorial(1.5) or factorial(X raised to 1.5)?
At $5/day (1 bag/day) this POS is $1825/year. It's just too much of a rip for anyone sane, but then again, people go to Starbucks.
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Well yea if your drinking your juice box.
You can mention it, but that doesn't make it true. I prefer the fiber in my pressed juice, so I use a nutribullet at home, which is essentially a superfast blender.
But you do get a lot of the nutrients when you use a pressed juicer like the juicero. The different packs have quite a variety of healthy greens and vegetables in them.
I don't understand why they would think that "hand-squeezing" would defeat their business model. You can't get all of the juice out by doing that, and it's inefficient, and the selling point is that you hook the bag up and press a button, and that's it. That's easier than pressing your own damn juice out of a bag.
Im thinking the internet connection is so it would automatically reorder new bags when you are close to running out or let you manually order extra or different flavors. Nothing that you couldnt set up on your own. Im sure this is just a novelty added to the machine for the 'wow factor'.
It's sold primarily to companies with many employees. If your office has a kitchen where lots of employees mingle, getting coffee and using the refrigerator and so on, you are their market. The idea is that companies that can afford to spend money on "wellness" for their employees will be willing to spend 5-8$ a bag to keep them happy. It's an office perk, like a fancy coffee machine.
Whether that is a valid business model or not, I have no idea.
But their juice is quite tasty. I'd recommend it if that's your thing.
Red Green, para.
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So the real purpose of the article? Create a trumped up controversy in order to generate hype before the IPO. Everyone is supposed to think the stock is cheap because of the controversy while thinking they are the clever one who sees the business model will work because the consumables are what matter. When everyone is the clever "one" they all buy the stock and the original investors get the profits.
*yawn*
Ok, but that's not what I meant. You need to clean the brew basket (at least throw away the paper filter, or clean and rinse the permanent one) after every brew. With Keurig you just throw away the cup. Yes, very wasteful - but easy, convenient, and most importantly: fast. On a "daily" basis the only thing Keurig needs is adding water to the reservoir.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Per the article: $5-$8 per bag. 8 oz juice/bag.
Your office manager has to be a special kind of stupid. All costs are opportunity costs, you could have an 'endless' bowl of fresh fruit and a weekly keg of good beer in the office for less. I'd be bitching about wasting bene money on overpriced crap.
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I read the article. The packets are moronically expensive, but there's a sucker born every minutes. At the same time, while, on the whole, it may be cheaper to do it yourself, if you don't use your juicer a lot then it may be more expensive in the long run when you have to buy many different ingredients that don't last that long. It all depends on how much you use it. Like any recipe, if I don't cook a lot, then I often need to buy a bunch of ingredients that other cooks might take for granted - certain uncommon spices, for example, that end up costing me several dollars for the bottle when I only use it once because I don't cook that much. Suddenly it would have been cheaper to go out or buy it ready made.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Juicero is mimicking the process of the Norwalk juicer, which is trituration (grinding into a pulp through a low-RPM device) of produce followed by hydraulic pressing of the juice from a pulp containing cloth bag. This is distinct from centrifugal and other forms of juicing. A home unit of a Norwalk is very expensive at ~$2600 and is to some people the Rolls Royce of juicers. Why do people pay more for such a unit? i) Some taste a difference in quality of juice produced, ii) certain leafy green vegetables (i.e. parsley) cannot be juiced in appreciable yields via centrifugal methods but can via trituration/pressing methods, iii) in daily use, the higher yields of trituration/pressing versus centrifugal methods (realistically, predominantly for leafy green vegetable-heavy juices) will pay for the juicer in produce savings over the course of a few years. Related to point i), the perceived higher quality juice is presumed to be more nutrient rich, in the sense that fewer of the compounds in the juice have degraded during production and to a certain extent, that the extraction yields of such nutrients is higher for trituration/pressing than other methods. That compounds degrade less by one versus another method has not been scientifically validated (unless one considers the long-term, quasi-evolutionarily-proven "taste" test). Because each vegetable can synthesize hundreds or even thousands of chemicals (well beyond the oversimplified repertoire of vitamins and molecules frequently cited in USDA characterizations), the purification and structural elucidation of each compound would be an Herculean task, not to mention the subsequent study of juicer-induced changes to said molecules. Now, this all being said, it should be overwhelmingly clear at this point, that this represents a niche market (and that's a very kind, broad claim), even before the advent of Juicero. Where does Juicero come in? The trituration/pressing methods are very labor intensive relative to centrifugal juicing. Thus, having a bag, for small consumption purposes, is cheaper than personally hiring someone to make juice for you. Presumably (I honestly haven't looked) Juicero is marketing that such a process will produce a superior quality juice, although that cannot be presumed to be the case. Trituration of vegetables will rapidly start the degradation processes that change apparent taste (and presumably nutritional profile) of the juice. I recall that their bagging system was supposed to greatly retard this process, but in the absence of data other than taste, it is hard to tell whether their claims are justified. (Typically, juices would need to be deoxygenated to preserve their contents; many of the chemicals that flavor the juice, be it orange, apple, etc, are volatile and removed during deoxygenation, thus killing the taste of fresh juice, necessitating the addition of flavor packs. I doubt Juicero is doing something like this). It would be quite comical if their method of production/storage rendered the claimed benefits of the juicing process moot in the case of Juicero's business. It would not be unreasonable to characterize the VC's who invested in this as nothing more than a bunch of lemmings chasing money off a cliff.
(On pricing, costs of organic supermarket produce can give juices at about $0.10-$1 per ounce (the former being carrot and the latter being fresh pomegranate juice). But Juicero will be buying wholesale, which should at least halve the costs if not more).
One must ask --- Why not just buy a carton of "fresh" juice from the many "Naked" drink companies?
This doesn't sound like the Jack LaLanne Juicer thingy (which sells for $150). I think the Premium Experience folks ran amok on this one- those Tech Billionaires must have thought "yeah I'd drop $400 on this" but forgot to test the market. I personally don't need another kitchen gadget - let alone a $400 one.
My friend used to have a coffee maker that you filled with beans and it would drop in & grind one serving on demand. Seemed cool and was expensive. After using it while visiting for a week I can't imaging a IoT angle to it. I just put my cup under it and pressed "go"
But it doesn't seem like the machine actually makes juice, it sounds like it's just a press that squeezes the juice out of the bags.
And none of the idiots thought of making the opening bigger, and put it at the top, so you could just pour it.
How difficult is to answer a call by pressing a button on your wireless headset?
Which reminds me --- Coca Cola pulled out of the Cold Drink effort with Keurig. After product launch it all tanked. --- again they forgot to test the market. Nobody wanted to pay a big price for the machine, have it occupy counter space, and then fork over about the same money as a can of soda costs.
oh- and everyone is getting wise to health and sugar -- and that they should drink less soda.
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At the price they're charging for the bags, that's an easy $0.50/bag in waste. At about 800 bags you 'break even'.
Of course a small hydraulic press from Harbor Freight (plus a fixture) would likely get out even more juice, for less than a quarter the price. But you'd have to pump that by hand.
People that are concerned about price aren't this company's target audience. Everybody loves a chump.
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Automatic espresso machines are as easy to use and less wasteful: you only need to keep the water and bean reservoir topped up, and empty the coffee grounds bin every now and then. In terms of convenience, when you stumble down the stairs half asleep for a cuppa, all you need to do is push a button twice (once to wake up the machine and start the heater, once to have it brew a cup of coffee), same as the Keurig. Decent machines are not that expensive anymore, and the price per cup is hard to beat. (Currently on Nespresso until I get around to fixing my espresso machine...)
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
And just how the hell will I now forget to put a receptacle in place and dispense $5 of pre-made juice onto my kitchen counter by phone? BY PHONE, do you understand?? This is Internet-connected! IoT! AI! Deep Learning!
I'll bet it could order its own $1000 worth of juice refills from Amazon automatically, too, dammit.
> here's a sucker born every minutes
Can you get the juice out that way too?
They should collaborate, co-mingle or do some sort of strategic conaplication. They are made for each other.
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Anyone paying $400 for a juicer should be fired out of a cannon and into a brick wall. In Russia we made and still make juice with a cotton pad and a baking roller. No motors. No machines. Works fine. No mess because everything is on the pad and you toss the pad when you are done. Hell, my grandparents generation would wash the pad and reuse it too. Its degenerate to spend $400 like this. Criminal.
That's a form of a smoothie...not juice from a juicer that pretty much by definition, is only the liquid and no fiber included.
That being said, I find room for both in my diet when possible.
I like smoothies...I try to eat LOTS of whole veggies. I also try to supplement that with mostly vegetable nutrients from juicing, to get more in my system than I could possibly eat if I kept the fiber in everything consumed.
I have a Breville juicer and a Vitamix for the blender...two different beasts, each with their own place.
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So sure, having just a "regular" juicer not only gives you a lot more options, but it's healthier and you get fresher fruits and vegetables in your juices
Fruit juice isn't healthy. It's basically all of the sugar from the fruit with none of the fibre to slow down absorption.
Eat the fruit instead. The fruit as a whole is good for you, the extracted sugar, not so much.
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I"m not much of a coffee drinker myself I must confess, but I imagined that most people that owned those systems used the refillable K-Cups to fill with their own coffee that is cheaper to buy, and just mostly did the reusable stuff with it, but that it was handy for single cup brews quickly.
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I don't know which is worse: that a company exists that thinks there are people stupid enough to pay ten times what this thing is worth, or that that there are enough stupid people in the country that will pay that outrageous price to support such a company.
With my $40 blender, I can make a frosty, 40-ounce Organic slushy by adding ice and about $3.00 worth of Organic fruits and vegetables. That's about sixty cents for an 8-ounce glass of a tasty, healthy snack in drink form.
Smoothie, juice; potato, pototo. Why do you need to supplement your smoothies or whole veggies with juice? Just eat more veggies or drink more smoothies. You aren't getting anything from the juice you wouldn't get from the smoothie wor whoile veggies, and you are getting less fiber.
I make a smoothie every day before work. I will use the juicer machine at work for one reason and one reason only: I like the taste. I like strong, bitter veggies. I can't stand sugary juice; gimme all the bitter melon, bok choy and other strong tasting stuff you can find; I'll eat it all.
You imagined wrong. Some people do that. Most do not. The reason is quite simple - the whole point of K-Cup is that it's easy and fast. If you just turn it into a mini drip coffee maker, you're not gaining anything - now you just have a smaller "brew basked" to clean after making coffee. I do think a lot of people have backtracked to single-cup drip coffee makers (that don't require "cups" or "pods"), but most people using K-Cups are doing it for the convenience. It's quite wasteful, but I admit to having one. On a normal day we brew a half pot with our Ninja coffee maker, but if I'm making one cup for myself, I'll just use the K-Cup. I do have the refillable, but they are practically pointless. The other upside is getting variety packs of K-Cups. Also, since we make most of our coffee with the Ninja, I have the luxury of walking through the coffee aisle and just getting what's on sale.
To continue on with the conversation, as it seems to relate to the "internet connected" portion of the article about the juicer, the most boneheaded thing Keurig did was to make the 2.0 makers that will not make a cup that doesn't have their blessed RFID chip in it. These juicers apparently double-check the barcode on the juice bag. Way to alienate your customers, idiots!
Stupid sexy Flanders.
I read the article, but you didn't read my comment.
We have this thing at work. Given the choice between standing there and squeezing out juice like a moron for a minute and a half, or putting a bag in a machine and pressing a simple button, guess which one I'll pick?
Rolling pin for that last half ounce.
They stay fresher longer, but they still go bad like any other vegetable kept in a fridge.
The QR code on the back and the much-maligned internet connectivity ensures that when people start putting bad batches of juice in the machine, the machine won't press them, and the company gets notified that customer X's bags of veggies are past their use-by date, so they send someone over to pick up the used bags and deliver more.
I dunno if this is a good business model or not, but that's how it works, and people in my office use the heck out of that machine.
Very few of the juicero juice bags are just fruit. All of them have some vegetables in them as far as i can tell. Some of them are sweet, but most of them are not as sweet as you would think or compared to Naked or Odwalla juices.
Having lots of fibre and vitamins in your diet is good. But a juicer is basically a machine for separating the fibre from the juice, and it also separates the skin of the fruit which often contains a lot of vitamins.
Juice by itself is sweet and tasty, but it basically gets all of its calories from carbohydrates, and without any fibre the carbs will hit your system quickly. The glycemic index of carrot juice is very high, while eating carrots will not usually have much effect on your blood sugar. (See the difference between glycemic index and glycemic load: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load)
If you want to enjoy a tasty beverage that is better for you than juice, I recommend you get a VitaMix. The VitaMix company has been around for decades, and their product is an extremely expensive blender that is IMHO worth the expense. A VitaMix is so much more powerful than a cheap blender that it can do things the cheap blender cannot do.
So a typical fruit smoothie will start with some juice or even water and then throw fruit in, where the 2 horsepower motor at full speed breaks the fibre, skin, and even seeds down to the point where you don't really even know they are there. If you want to add a pleasing orange color to a smoothie, throw in some carrots; the texture will be a bit thicker and the color will be orange but you won't find any carrot chunks.
VitaMix has competitors, and some of the competitors may be as good. BlendTec and Ninja seem to have similar horsepower. I'm only recommending VitaMix since I have had one in my house for like two decades now. We use it so much that, despite the high purchase cost, it has a very low cost per operating minute... our food processor cost less but we hardly use the thing.
My favorite recipe: put a cup of plain yogurt into the blender, and add a spoonful of sugar and a squeeze of lime juice. Then dump a 10-ounce bag of frozen organic strawberries in (still frozen!), and run the blender on "high" while using the "tamper" to push the berries down into the blades. When the texture is smooth, serve. Don't overblend because you don't want to heat up the mixture. It's a tasty sweet dessert, and much healthier than any strawberry frozen yogurt you can buy.
Here's an example of throwing various hunks of vegetables into the thing to make a vegetable smoothie. After that demo the next demo is a sweet fruit smoothie. https://youtu.be/1qemLSu63d0?t=1m36s
P.S. LOL, YouTube appears to have a channel called "Blender Babes" where young females demonstrate blenders. I wonder what would happen if they tried to get a booth at a conference that bans "booth babes"... would they not be allowed at their own booth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXG65NgmrIM
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You'd be wrong. I'd say the number of people who even *own* the refillable cup is tiny, and the number who actually use it regularly is smaller still.
It removes the convenience. You'd have to dump the grounds and clean it, and then refill it. If you're doing all that, why not just do a pour-over?
Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.
Which no one would eat. No one in an office eats fruit from a fruit basket. It just doesn't happen. I dunno why, but if you put a bowl of bananas or apples on the table in the office kitchen, chances are it will still be there, untouched a week later.
I don't know what the actual cost of those bags are to us; I suspect that the price drops if you order in bulk or have a contract over time. We do go through a lot of them. I think we were one of the early adopters, so we may have gotten some sort of deal there too; I should ask our HR person.
Look, its a perk. Some companies spend extra money for employees on massages, coffee, beer, or soda. We spend it on a juicer. :-)
You must be a shareholder.
Any old mixer or juicer will work fine. Once it's down in your digestive track, it all does the same thing.
If you're hinging your post on saving a minute and a half compared to a manual method, then you must bill your time.
But you accused people of being morons, so it's more likely you are indeed a lawyer. Me, I eat my veggies the old fashioned way, one fork full at a time.
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The best comments are always at the bottom, which sucks.
Anyway, my only test of these bags of juice would be the taste test, and with that I'd say the juice is excellent. I use a nutribullet regularly, so I drink a lot of juice/smoothies, and I'd say the juicero juice is very good. You definitely can taste the "freshness" in their juice. There's also a wider variety of ingredients int ehir bags, so I'm getting tastes I don't normally get in their juice, but so far so good.
As I've posted here, whether or not it's a valid business model remains to be seen. There's a large subset of the population that laughs at this sort of stuff, and perhaps rightly so, but there's also a subset that, well, wants to be healthy and believes drinking fresh juice helps with that. It can't hurt; it's an office perk for employees; it's easy and convenient, and it tastes good. It's also expensive, but hey, not my problem.
Funny, for a while our break room had apples and bananas. They sold pretty well. Sadly it did not work well with our model of restocking from Costco every 2-3 weeks. Bananas in particular have about a 2-3 day window at office temperatures in which they are ripe but not over-ripe. Chips and cookies are "good" for months of shelf life.
...what exactly is the purpose of this "juicer"?
At $400? ...and it seems to be quite effective at this :-)
To make money for the folks selling it, obviously.
[silly valley]
Because the kale is fresh; I just bought it this morning too from a local corner store, and I shop there daily so I know when they get in fresh veggies. Do you have something against kale? Are you a kale-hater? A kaleophobe, if you will? Are you antikale? A misakaleopic person, mind you?
Err...why would anyone need a bag of stuff to juice?
It is so simple (and I'm guessing more economical) to go to the grocery store and get some veggies and/or fruits and throw down a regular juicer.
Hell, I have a Breville multi-speed one for about $200....why would someone buy a $400 machine that requires you to buy prepackaged produce to be squeezed out of it...?
How did so many people think this was a bright idea?
I guarantee you this is how they attracted investors: "It's the Keurig of juicers."
kale juice, all the way
All the way where?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
those Tech Billionaires must have thought "yeah I'd drop $400 on this" but forgot to test the market
No, they thought "Yeah, I'd drop $699 on this.".
$399 is the "Oh shit, no one is buying these", fire sale price.
Nope.
It was $699 and no one bought it. It's not $399 and no one is buying it. It's a massive failure.
Why squeeze at all? Just cut the bag open and pour it all out (more than the machine can extract) into a glass.
If there's some straining / dicing action happening at the neck of the bag, feel free to use a strainer or blender.
Dumbass investors saw this as a Kuerig for vegans. A new device that accomplishes the goal of selling the most amount of cheap material crap to people at a exorbitantly marked up price, with a potentially successful marketing message of a "better way".
Somehow people bought heavily into the concept of Kuerig, even though you have had small (even single) serving coffee machines for decades and decades. But no, now you can buy a wasteful and expensive single serving cup that you drop in and there's a water tank and a pump that will eventually fail too, all for the low price of 5-10 small, simple, almost never failing, thermosiphon drip coffee maker. Oh and you get to pay tons more for your easy to use coffee cups now too! Yay!
A lot of people seem to think their lives get better as they acquire more technology. Doesn't matter what it is. If it has a button and a screen and it does something that didn't have a screen before, its better. Now it even has the internet so it can do... even more things or something.
TL;DR Why? Because stupidly blind and wasteful consumerism.
It puts a smile on my face to see such an expensive shit device like this fail so hard.
Mostly what Kurig got right is that it's actually a single serving electric kettle that makes few assumptions about what you want to pour water over/into.
The cofee makers I'm familiar with make the mistake of assuming that you always want the same beverage (coffee, and often a single blend of coffee) and use a single hopper that may not work for otehr types of beverages at all. The also often dispense several servings at once.
That works poorly in a shared environment like an office (or family residence) where different people like different things and people are more willing to wait their turn for the devoice than to wait for the device to finish dispensing for everyone.
I'd buy one for $3.99 though. Surely there's $3.99 worth of parts in that thing.
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Dang, $5 for a bag of fruit that I press into juice, with or without a device, is obscene.
Not only does $5 of fruit amount to WAY more than a single glass of juice around here, but $5 of fruit has WAY more than just juice in it. I can eat the fruit, which quite frankly is WAY better than juice alone.
And if I want just juice, well then I don't need lovely fruit. I can get unripenned (often better for raw juice) or over-ripe (often better for sweetened juice) even cheaper.
And if I really just want juice, $5 buys me a beautiful tropicana carton of WAY more than just one glass of juice.
You make an entire pot of 10 cups of coffee in one go by putting a scoop of coffee in a paper filter, pouring in water, and turning it on. Then you pull that out and throw it away. Keurig can give you coffee in 20 seconds instead of 4 minutes.
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Anyone that cares even the slightest amount about wasting money would buy neither the juicer or the bags.
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Except I actually do eat my veggies the old fashioned way, and I use a blender to make a smoothie before work. tastes good. Good for you too.
The selling point, or rather *a* selling point, is it's convenient. Using the manual method is not. Using a normal blender isn't either because you have to clean. It's a first world problem, sure, but it's still a problem.
Fast food solves a first world problem too, which is that some people don't have time to cook and don't want to sit down at a restaurant. But it still solves a problem. It creates other problems too, but that's another story.
Cut one open. Is there actual fruit in there or just juice or just a puree? Seems like if you can squeeze out juice, either the fruit isn't very fresh or is already pureed.
I don't know, but it works for me.
I'll keep my kale; you can have your shitty iceberg lettuce, thanks.
Don't skimp on the blender part. Also, when I make it I use rum instead of yogurt. It's heaven in a glass, and all-natural so I know it's good for me.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Mmmmm. Tastes good.
A Craigslist VitaMix does the same thing.
Fast food involves carbs, which makes the world fat and sick. Yep, you might have to actually do something like the rest of the world.
Use any rationalization you want: being a slacker is expensive and wasteful. Don't want to sit down in a restaurant? Use your kitchen.
It creates more problems than it solves, including the up-thread mentioned abuses, supply chain madnesses, and the sudden loss of sanity upon believing your own bullshit story. This product was not only ill-conceived, financed by gold-diggers, but gets even stranger when they don't sell product to anyone, just the stooges that bought the mixer. There are suckers born every minute, and this story is emblematic of suckers all the way through the financing to the consumer.
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people go to Starbucks
Ding ding ding. We have the winning answer. People, in general, are bad with math like this. To a lot of people, spending five bucks isn't a budget impacting decision. But when you add it up over the weeks and months, it's a very substantial amount of money. It's exactly why the app and micro-payment model took off so well. Nobody in their right mind would spend $50 to play Farmville or Pokemon Go, but spending 5$ to buy seeds or a box of poke-balls? People usually don't think twice.
If you want some e-fame cut open one of the bags and put it through a strainer.
I'll bet the vast majority of the juice is in the bag in liquid form already and it just comes out slow by artificial limitations.
Who needs vitamin C anyway? Scurvy is cool!
So I have to by bags of juice to use a juicer? And people backed this scam?
Kinda kills the idea that Silicon Valley investors are any smarter then... well anybody.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I haven't heard of internet connected irons...
Actually, there's a use case to be made there. You're driving in to work and you get a text that your iron has been on for 45 minutes and would you like it turned off?
Sort of related: NEVER wash your fiberglass embedded ironing board cover with your underwear. You will rue the day.
Brilliant but crappy marketing
Make the machine cheap and sell the consumables above cost.
I have to agree, what exactly is the purpose of this "juicer"?
The same purpose as the Keurig that they compare themselves to: to extract money from people who don't know any better, or from companies who want to show off how much money they can afford to burn.
That's a terrible use case. A better solution to that iron problem is for the iron to just turn itself off once it has sensed that nobody's moved it for 15 minutes or so.
The QR code on the back and the much-maligned internet connectivity ensures that when people start putting bad batches of juice in the machine, the machine won't press them, and the company gets notified that customer X's bags of veggies are past their use-by date
So, in other words, the internet connectivity is nearly worthless.
I think so, probably yes. About the only benefit I can see is that it checks the bag you put on the machine to see if it's past its freshness date or if it is part oa batch that has been recalled. That would be good to know before you drink the juice.
But if you are putting out batches of veggie pulp that needs to be recalled, you have many more serious problems.
At the same time, while, on the whole, it may be cheaper to do it yourself, if you don't use your juicer a lot then it may be more expensive in the long run when you have to buy many different ingredients that don't last that long.
No, the point is that it's $400 cheaper, with exactly the same results, if you don't buy the juicer at all. Also: No, you could use a standard juicer and throw away half your ingredients (probably much more than that), and it would still be cheaper than $5/eight ounces.
There's a convenience cost, and for the people willing to pay it that second point is less important, but the first point is the mark of a scam - this product is unnecessary.
Keurig is awesome. It makes a passable coffee with about two seconds of work. If I want to hand-grind my coffee there's enough space to put in a pour-over cup.
I was thinking the same. So what they've done is extracted all the nutrients into a "concentrate" then market it as juice packets. They do realize it is now no longer a healthy product but a manufactured product.
This reminds me of the late night infomercials in the 90s. What would one expect to pay for the Juice-a-matic 9000? 999.99? 699.99? Not here! For one night only 7 easy payments of 19.99!! (Crowd gasps) that's right folks.
Does YOUR juicer let you Share your drink to Twitter and Instagram? Is there an APP for your luddite juicer? Are you aware that seeing something in the form of a phone icon is an amazing retard aphrodisiac? Almost strong as seeing a celebrity use it?
I didn't fucking think so, bitch.
I'm just saying; I'd be advocating for a pony keg of microbrew (rotating flavors) on Fridays. _Much_ better value for money. Gotta watch the Balmer curve though.
Perhaps along with a BBQ...grilling on coals anyhow...depending on just how much they are spending on $5/half cup juice, we might make whole/half hogs (depending on office size of course). You could make chicken for the vegans and other weirdos.
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I said the same with Keurig. I saw the cost of the machine, the pods. Bought a $10 bean grinder, a $10 French press and a bag of beans. Much better vs Keurig
No one in an office eats fruit from a fruit basket. It just doesn't happen.
What kind of weird office do you work in? We can't keep the damn fruit stocked enough. Hell the entire system broke down when one guy decided to get up at 3pm and shout "banana break" and that became a daily thing. Now we bring in additional fruit to supplement the fruit basked which was maxed out budget wise.
It's that thing that tried to DRM the lids and got a donut pillow grade pwning.
Fruit with rinds/peels is better. Than you know you're throwing away the parts coworkers have touched. This is tech.
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Err...why would anyone need a bag of stuff to juice?
It is so simple (and I'm guessing more economical) to go to the grocery store and get some veggies and/or fruits and throw down a regular juicer.
You're talking about a kitchen appliance at a time people feel the need to brew coffee one cup at a time from individually portioned filter cups at a cost of 10x just buying a normal container of ground coffee. Never underestimate the millennial's need to be lazy/feel special.
One must ask --- Why not just buy a carton of "fresh" juice from the many "Naked" drink companies?
Maybe for the same reason I buy small crates of oranges at Costco and then use a little hand citrus juicer. Including cleanup time, it doesn't take any longer than two minutes, and the juice tastes noticeably better than any juice I've ever gotten from a bottle or carton.
But I'm a very atypical person in this regard, and am almost certainly not the target audience for this sort of thing.
Are any of those any good? I have the whole manual setup right now and the results are stunning, but curious if any of the automatic ones are actually good espresso machines.
Properly prepared kale caesar salad is absolutely delicious. I certainly prefer it over romaine lettuce caesar, but that's good too.
why no 5 minutes?
and you don't need to add water if it's tied into the plumbing
It seems K-cups are about $15 for a pack of 24 which works out to $0.625 each. That is expensive compared to a bulk coffee maker sure, but it's cheap enough to be acceptable to many middle class people, it's almost certainly cheaper than grabbing a drink from a takeaway/cafe.
Juicero packs are about $7 each, an order of magnitude more. That is going to be enough to put a lot of people off.
http://www.keurig.com/beverage...
https://www.juicero.com/the-pa...
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One of the problems with actually doing rather than saying is that reality makes things complicated. How does it "sense" you're done with it? What if someone's using it to heat something and it needs to remain on and immobile? Unless you could make it telepathic, having it ask you if you're done seems like a great way for it to find out.
You just sense whether or not its been tilted recently. That's what my iron does. It only takes a few seconds to heat up if it does go off. It's a pretty good iron. Glad I payed $20 for it at Walgreen's ten years ago.
Now, seriously? Apparently the world this person inhabits does not contain fruits, the only way to get juice is to buy them pre-packaged at 8 dollar per serving, and the only thing that stops a poor person from enjoying this is not the ludicrous price but a separate machine.
Wow. This really exists.
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The good ones from brands like Jura or Krups easily beat Keurig or Nespresso, especially if you use quality beans (which still comes out cheaper than the prepackaged cups), but they are not as good as manual espresso machines. I can taste the difference but a manual setup is too much trouble; I can barely manage a croissant and egg in the morning, so I'm not going to try being a barista, and I'll stick with the "good enough" automatic.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
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Wait? You need texting to alert you that a 40 second process has completed?
Maybe if it's one of the commercial office installations that takes 20kg of beans and is plumbed in, to inform the manufacturer of any service needs and re-order the beans, but for home use? Really?
What if someone's using it to heat something and it needs to remain on and immobile?
Then there's a 99.9% chance they're a fuckwit that needs saving from their own stupidity.
The other 0.1% can buy a different iron.
S&H ?
I'm assuming that's the foreign equivalent to P&P (packaging/packing/parcel and postage/posting).
As you see, P&P is a very flexible term.
Mostly what Kurig got right is that it's actually a single serving electric kettle that makes few assumptions about what you want to pour water over/into.
The cofee makers I'm familiar with make the mistake of assuming that you always want the same beverage (coffee, and often a single blend of coffee) and use a single hopper that may not work for otehr types of beverages at all. The also often dispense several servings at once.
That works poorly in a shared environment like an office (or family residence) where different people like different things and people are more willing to wait their turn for the devoice than to wait for the device to finish dispensing for everyone.
That's true of the more expensive Keurig devices, but the entry level ones I've seen used most often in offices are actually very basic, only brew one way, and are actually more work and time than simply using a small four-cup drip coffeemaker. The one in our office, you have to pour in a single serving of water (it doesn't have a large reservoir like the fancier ones do) then insert the cup and fold over the top, and hit the brew button and wait for it to warm up. In the time it takes to brew two cups you could have made two pots of "4 cups" and split that between 3-4 people, or one 10-cup pot and split it between everyone.
Heck, for the cost of one of the more expensive Keurig machines (not to mention the K-cups) you can buy a really cheap steam espresso machine that makes coffee the way you want it. For $100-200 you can easily find something used that's not as top-of-the-line as something you'd see at a coffee shop, but that still makes a great cup of coffee and even steams milk. Sure, it can be a lot of work, but I can prepare just about any beverage imaginable from a simple americano (espresso diluted with hot water until it's drop coffee strength) to cappuccinos and mochas if I'm so inclined. Buy some syrups and a can of whipped cream and you can make up a beverage that rivals just about anything a coffee shop would sell but at a fraction of the cost.
I suppose convenience is a factor, though. At work my compromise (because I can't stand the crappy stuff that comes in K-cups) is to fill a reusable filter with my favorite grind. The filter cost about $10 and the coffee can be whatever I want to use, but almost everybody else still insists on using the disposable cups... because they don't like to have to rinse out the used grounds from the filter.
Never underestimate the millennial's need to be lazy/feel special.
I've only met a few people with these and none were 'millenials'. I dare say you see the dark hand of the millenial in all things..? lol.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I feel the need to restate this in different ways to make it sink in.
A dollar per oz.
1 lb = $16.
1 kg = $35.
For packaged vegetable juice.
http://www.npr.org/sections/th...
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BUT, now you have the power to lift your TWO Teslas!
I'd rather have them fondled.
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Ahhh, but there is a distinction between a nutritionally healthy product and a health food product. One is defined by science and physiology, the other is defined by how it appears when you post about your consumption on Facebook.
Problem was the name. Juicero. Should have come up with another bullshit german name because dumb people think anything german is great. Even german shaving blades (if you've been watching TV lately). As if. Maybe Strasse Juicer! Just stick your S bag into the machine, walla! Instant juice you don't have to work for. It's only $7 that can replace a whole $10 meal! (Show a very attractive ripped woman in a bikini with a big smile, sparkle on her tooth) You'll even lose weight! Buy it today!
Fine print - this product hasn't been evaluated for weight loss nor a viable meal replacement.
That's good. I spend a lot of time in stores reading labels of juices, and most of them use a base of apple, pear, orange, or white grape juice, with just a small amount of other fruit juices to slightly change the flavor.
Are there any scientific studies out there which show that orange, apple, pear, or white grape juice are actually healthier for you than drinking sugar water with a multi-vitamin? I've seen some articles which say that fructose is not the preferred energy source for either the muscles or brain, and says it behaves more like fat in the body than the other simple sugars (glucose and sucrose). So I'm not convinced 200 calories of orange juice is better for your body than 200 calories of Coca-Cola. One cup of orange juice (248 grams) is about 100 calories, while 330 mL of Coke (give or take 330 grams) is 140 calories, which means the same glass of either one gives you about the same number of calories.
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To my mind this implies they are trying to monetize the data they get from the internet-connected juicer which scans the QR on the bag and phones home.
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Marketing. People buy water in a bottle that they can get at 1/10 and more of the price at home.
"But my water from the tap is hard/soft/does not taste nice" Unless you live in Flint, you have fallen for the marketing and making excuses for the companies that sold you into it.
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Your method is not profit filled. His is dripping with profits to be squeezed from the really stupid people of the world.
That is why investors saw it as a fantastic idea... Extremely high profit margins by fleecing the stupid.
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But eating is passe'. The hip kids drink all their foods.
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Yes, because Scurvy is a real problem in the US.
What if someone's using it to heat something and it needs to remain on and immobile? Unless you could make it telepathic, having it ask you if you're done seems like a great way for it to find out.
No, it really doesn't. If you want to cover use cases of people using the iron for things other than ironing, then simply provide an override switch to disable the timeout.
I would note, as someone else has, that this auto-off feature has been a pretty standard thing on irons for years now. Making things internet connected comes with costs for the user. If the benefit does not outweigh those costs, then it's a bad idea. With an iron, it's hard to see what the benefit actually is.
Much like with the juicer.
Properly prepared kale caesar salad is absolutely delicious.
I don't believe you. I find kale to be the exact opposite of "delicious" no matter how its been prepared. Not as nasty as cilantro, but in the ballpark.
The Keurig is perfect for some situations.
I have older parents, shaky hands, etc. They had problems brewing with a regular one cup, getting the grounds out without making a mess, etc.
If they need coffee, they just pop the single serve cup in and go.
That is a fantastic scenario for where a Kuerig can be useful. People of all walks need different aids to help them function in a day. But in general, most people do not need the "convenience" of Kuerig like devices. I can dump old grouds, fill up a coffee pot with water, dump it in the machine, throw in a new filter and new grounds all in under a minute and a half (I know this from heating up the last cup out of the coffee pot taking around 1m30s in the microwave). That doesn't account for other conveniences a Kuerig might provide but it really is typically unnecessary for the expense of the machine price and the continued cost to maintain use of the machine. For those without a huge everyday budget, it becomes pretty damn inconvenient for how convenient it is supposed to be.
Uh, your juicer obviously isn't internet connected, duh. How else can you use their IoT app to start the juicer, automatically request shipments for more overpriced veggie/fruit bags (with DRM in the future I'm sure, ( Kuerig anyone?), and make needless automated social media posts about your healthy juicing/nutrition with embedded advertisements. Oh boy.
I'm sure they also have plans to link with a select for exercise apps/smartwatch apps to import your juice bag data to track your diet and make you feel like you're a super hero.
I only use SuperFruit Smoothie i dont have time to prepare my own smoothie in a blender.
idk, $5 a week is roughly $260 a year (not that many people actually go to starbucks every single day). if that's a "very substantial amount of money," you're kinda fucked anyway.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
"The average Starbucks customer visits the store 6 times per month while a loyal 20% of customers go to the stores 16 times per month" source So the "average" people are spending $360/year, the "loyal customers" are spending $960. At what point does it become a substantial amount of money? $360 covers my car and its insurance for a month, that sounds pretty substantial to me.
comparing $360/year with $360/month is fucking stupid.
anyway, coffee is enjoyable and that's worth something. unless you wear rags and survive on nothing but powdered milk and potatoes out of pure stoic idealism, i really don't see your point.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
comparing $360/year with $360/month is fucking stupid.
Yeah, you're right, I'll try something simpler. $360 will cover my water bill for the year. That sounds pretty substantial to me. (Is that easier for you to process, dick?)
anyway, coffee is enjoyable and that's worth something.
Couldn't agree more. If you like your $5 coffee, go drink your $5 coffee. More power to you. My point was that people are bad at comprehending how much money is spent in agregate when it is spent in small increments. But I feel as though you are smart enough to understand that, and are just here to argue, so good day to you.
i would have once agreed with you, but nowadays i think it's more likely the opposite: that people are irrationally averse to spending money as a lump-sum in advance.
but you are right, this is an increasingly pointless discussion. cheers.
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