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Microsoft Co-founder Pledges $30 Million To House Seattle's Homeless (cnn.com)
Paul Allen, a founder of Microsoft has pledged $30 million to house Seattle's homeless. From a report: Seattle Mayor Ed Murray said Wednesday the city was partnering with Paul G. Allen's family foundation to build a facility to house homeless families with children. Allen's foundation will provide $30 million toward the development of the facility, while the city of Seattle has pledged $5 million for its maintenance and operation. It will be owned and operated by Mercy Housing Northwest, a nonprofit housing organization. Seattle is in King County, which has 1,684 families that are homeless, according to the mayor's announcement. More than 3,000 homeless children were enrolled in Seattle's public schools during the 2015-2016 year, it said.
It will be interesting to see if the number of homeless in the city increases or decreases because of this.
Obviously you don't understand.
This is a race. The name of this race is : "The race to the bottom".
The super rich are only too happy to get tax breaks for helping drive the standard of
living lower so they can continue to have a supply of cheap labor.
Seattle is a shithole, and hasn't been a good place to live for at least 25 years. The politics of Seattle are
an example of how to bleed the producers and give handouts to the lazy and non-productive. Only a fool
would choose to live there.
From what I've read about him so far. Unlike Bill Gates.
This is insane. It is never wrong to help homeless children, especially in a country as rich as the US and a city as rich as Seattle. The risk of accidentally helping some homeless children that also don't have the right papers is an especially dumb reason to not help homeless children.
To liberals everything is great if someone else is paying for it. Why don't you house them and feed them and pay for their medical bills and children when they have them.
To liberals everything is great if someone else is paying for it.
We already know that it's a lot cheaper to just give them a house than deal with the fallout of not caring about other humans. Why don't you want to take the cost-effective option?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
One would expect it to attract homeless from other cities to relocate to Seattle.
You should not make claims on other people's property with the goal of 'doing good'.
The risk of accidentally helping some homeless children that also don't have the right papers is an especially dumb reason to not help homeless children.
You misspelled "evil" as "dumb" there. Because we all know what this is really about: finding excuses not to help anyone else under any circumstances which are avoidable. This attitude was ingrained during the great depression, in which people mostly told everyone else to fuck off while they were trying to take care of their own shit, and it was hammer home during the baby boom, when everyone felt like they were the shit and didn't need help from anyone in spite of the fact that American prosperity post-WWII is the result of the rest of the world getting the shit bombed out of it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Illegal immigrants are just regular people, so you may know some of them without realizing.
NO, illegal immigrants are people who have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be in the country.
You are a simple-minded naive child. Keep your mouth shut when you know nothing, which in this case
is obvious.
Take a look at Europe. People who have something to lose are WAY less likely to break the law for petty shit.
I have no home, no money, no perspective. You have maybe 20 bucks in your pocket, and I will kill you to get them. Either I have 20 bucks or at least I have a place to stay for the foreseeable future.
I have a home, maybe some money from social services, I don't give a shit about the 20 bucks in your pocket. Sure, I'd like them, but then I'd go to prison. And I already have a warm place and food, and out here I also got freedom to go wherever I want to.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
To liberals everything is great if someone else is paying for it. Why don't you house them and feed them and pay for their medical bills and children when they have them.
No abortions though, so we let them kids loose in the inner cities, with no job programs. And because its a moral failing on their parents part, they should suffer too. Cause "Jebus" and "righteousness" and "i got mine." Try thinking about someone other than yourself all the time.
They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
[Citation needed.]
In this population of chronically homeless individuals with high service use and costs, a Housing First program was associated with a relative decrease in costs after 6 months. These benefits increased to the extent that participants were retained in housing longer.
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/183666
If the rich didn't get more ways to weasel out of paying their due, we wouldn't need the pittance they pay as charity. We'd have the money to provide for our people ourselves.
Fuck you Paul Allen. The only reason you could create that "charity" is because you evaded paying what you owe.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Problem is that the birds don't go away, and what angry, hungry birds with nowhere to go and nothing to lose can do ... well, watch the old Hitchcock movie.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's nice to see Paul Allen using his tax deduction to help all of that American talent his company put on the streets.
No, but it's a solution to the problem they cause.
People are lazy bastards. And they will take the way of least resistance. Sadly, the least resistance may well go through your chest to reach for your money. I'd rather pay them to stay on the couch and waste their life on afternoon talk shows than pay them at gunpoint.
Because in the end that's the only choices you have. People don't simply stay calm and die when they notice that they have no home, no food and no perspective. All it takes for a riot is some asshole shouting "follow me!"
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Thanks for that, AC. You would think that on a site supposedly for nerds that the residents would know how to use google by now, but apparently that's a little too complicated for some of these right-wing cucks. (Yes, I'm planning to use that word on them until they're tired of hearing it. All others are encouraged to join in. And that's precisely what someone is when they repeat bullshit talking points which were old when the Puritans picked them up and ran with them.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Try comparing your average "socialist" European country with the US and take a look at various social aspects. I'm not even talking about soft mushy things like "quality of life", just look at the expense for things like social security, internal security (i.e. police), along with factors like crime statistics, suicide rates and educational standard.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This is not just free stuff. This is a program to combat homelessness. From TFA this money is going to Mercy Housing Northwest It is the organization that appears to have a great track record. Like most modern homeless shelters, it's about getting people on their feet, it at all possible. Better than spending money on prisons/healthcare costs/crime that comes with homelessness.
From their website Mercy Housing Northwest:
Impact on our residents
Providing a home that families and individuals can afford is a valuable service. Some households need more. And we provide it. We call this coordination of housing and services “Service-Enriched Housing.”
What does Resident Services or Service-Enriched housing mean?
After school tutoring & homework club for students
Exercise, health and wellness opportunities
Nutrition workshops and healthy cooking classes
Tax prep and EITC assistance
Emergency food assistance
ESL & employment coaching
The goal of Service-Enriched Housing is to help families achieve stability and then to enhance that stability. It is stability that can be the greatest preventative measure to help families avoid homelessness. We accomplish this through dedicated and highly-motivated staff, extensive community partnerships, and a focus on programs that contribute to resident success and outcomes that can be measured.
We not only believe that affordable housing and supportive programs improve the economic status of residents, transform neighborhoods and stabilize lives—the evidence shows that it does.
74% of our residents in Washington have consistently paid their rent on time.
91% of our residents in Washington have maintained their housing for 1+ year.
72% of our residents in Washington have maintained their housing for 2+ years.
84% of our residents in Washington have accessed 5 or more basic and enhanced skill-building services.
This is not just free stuff. This is a program to combat homelessness. From TFA this money is going to Mercy Housing Northwest It is the organization that appears to have a great track record. Like most modern homeless shelters, it's about getting people on their feet, it at all possible. Better than spending money on prisons/healthcare costs/crime that comes with homelessness.
From their website Mercy Housing Northwest:
Impact on our residents
Providing a home that families and individuals can afford is a valuable service. Some households need more. And we provide it. We call this coordination of housing and services “Service-Enriched Housing.”
What does Resident Services or Service-Enriched housing mean?
After school tutoring & homework club for students
Exercise, health and wellness opportunities
Nutrition workshops and healthy cooking classes
Tax prep and EITC assistance
Emergency food assistance
ESL & employment coaching
The goal of Service-Enriched Housing is to help families achieve stability and then to enhance that stability. It is stability that can be the greatest preventative measure to help families avoid homelessness. We accomplish this through dedicated and highly-motivated staff, extensive community partnerships, and a focus on programs that contribute to resident success and outcomes that can be measured.
We not only believe that affordable housing and supportive programs improve the economic status of residents, transform neighborhoods and stabilize lives—the evidence shows that it does.
74% of our residents in Washington have consistently paid their rent on time.
91% of our residents in Washington have maintained their housing for 1+ year.
72% of our residents in Washington have maintained their housing for 2+ years.
84% of our residents in Washington have accessed 5 or more basic and enhanced skill-building services.
Does that not sound better than just letting them be on the street?
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
How about $30 mil to stop the anti-broadband nonsense run by other Microsofties? That would help the economy far more.
That first sentence is code for: 'For the _crazy_ homeless who split their time between parks, ERs and jails...'
Note the mention of 'retained in housing'. That's someone who's batshit, a problem with no good solutions. Give the government the ability to lock up loonies and they have historically used it to lock up dissidents.
This discussion is about families with kids though, usually much shorter term housing. A group of homeless that are actually fairly motivated (as such populations go, they do need an occasional 'boot to the head' or three).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Where? They've tried this on a smaller level, with tent camps and RV lots set up to give homeless a safe 'community' rather than living under the freeway. But most communities don't want to put up with the burglaries, car prowls and drug needles strewn around. So pretty soon, they close the camp and move them on. How will this work with a fixed facility? Which neighborhood will volunteer to host the opium den? So they'll institute some rules for residents. And that's when the addicts will just pack up and move back into a tent under the freeway.
Subsidized housing can help with the homeless family with children population. They tend to be less of a crime and drug problem. But they tend to be pretty rare compared to the tent camp bums. Mostly, they are 'homeless' in that they are living on friends and relatives sofas. Living in Seattle, I've seen quite a few human interest news spots about the homeless problem. And I have yet to see the news crews find a family with kids living in the hobo camps. Were there any, the motivation to present them as examples would be high. Housing facilities can help the families currently flopped out in someone's den. But we won't see a decrease in the tent camps because those are the hard-core addicts that just won't move.
Have gnu, will travel.
You just chose the worst example possible.
Europe is currently suffering from a severe influx of third-world illegal aliens. Most are coming to Europe solely to abuse generous European social assistance programs, with the remaining coming to engage in terrorism.
Europe has seen a huge spike in crime and terrorism within just a few years. Sweden now suffers grenade attacks every couple of weeks. What used to be peaceful New Year's Eve celebrations in Germany turned into massive sexual assault incidents, perpetrated by non-Europeans. That's on top of the large number of very severe terrorist attacks that have been carried out in Europe since this illegal alien disaster started.
Europe is being torn apart because naive leftist policies allowed huge numbers of illegal aliens from some of the worst places on Earth to flood into Europe, and these illegal aliens have proceeded to abuse social programs and engage in crime and terrorist attacks.
The disaster unfolding in Europe is exactly what we should expect to happen when immigration laws aren't enforced and generous aid is given to undeserving third-worlders. America should not make the same mistake.
in unrelated news, Paul Allen buys Soylent and plans to expand production facilities into a number of Seattle Housing Authority buildings.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
llegal immigrants are just regular people, so you may know some of them without realizing.
NO, illegal immigrants are people who have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be in the country.
Yes, but I believe most people think "bad hombres", not "my neighbors". Case in point woman who voted for Trump thinking only illegal immigrants with criminal records will be deported.
Maybe you think everyone should go, but many people assume a more nuanced definition will apply.
Prove it, or shut the fuck up.
There is no such thing as "proof" except in mathematics, but there is plenty of evidence that housing people is cheaper than the police and emergency services needed to deal with street people.
Homelessness is a deeply intractable problem. Most homeless people have many other problems, including mental illness, substance abuse, joblessness, etc. But there is evidence that dealing with "housing first", and getting them into permanent shelter, makes dealing with the other issues easier.
I am skeptical that this big project, concentrating all the problems in one place, is better than something like rent vouchers, and it is going to run into a wall of NIMBYism. Would you want 1600 homeless families moving into YOUR neighborhood? And their kids flooding into YOUR local school?
'Yes, but I believe most people think "bad hombres", not "my neighbors"'
I think of identity theft and/or tax fraud among other things. Those could easily be committed by my neighbors, too. However, if my neighbors are citizens or are in the country legally and can WORK legally then they are far less likely to do so.
People in the country illegally AND working are committing identity left and/or tax fraud.
Why don't you pay for your own prison-industrial complex and pay for your interventionist foreign policy and military-industrial complex when you have it?
To conservatives everything is great if somebody else is paying for it.
llegal immigrants are just regular people, so you may know some of them without realizing.
NO, illegal immigrants are people who have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be in the country.
Yes, but I believe most people think "bad hombres", not "my neighbors".
Case in point woman who voted for Trump thinking only illegal immigrants with criminal records will be deported.
Maybe you think everyone should go, but many people assume a more nuanced definition will apply.
If they came here illegally then they by definition have a criminal record. This isn't fucking rocket surgery
"It's actually cheaper in the long run to house homeless people than to leave them on the streets. And seriously, the rich are always going to find tax loopholes or tax breaks. Why shouldn't they do something that helps other people instead of just using some loophole that other benefits them?"
I can't speak to the rest of the country but I can about Los Angeles. If someone is homeless and doesn't WANT to be homeless they WONT be homeless for long. There are numerous opportunities to get them in to housing, food, work, and additional assistance as needed.
The PROBLEM is there's a gray area for those with mental problems who refuse assistance as well as drug or other substance abusers. Begging on the street is the fastest way to get money for booze, meth or whatever floats your boat. Any money goes to that -- including rent and food money. They also refuse assistance or refuse to pay for anything the moment they get cash. Things like rent or food or clothing. Either begging or theft.
This is where we need to come up with better terms for "homeless". Like "homeless" vs. "transient". The "homeless" issue has a workable solution in my area. The "transient" solution does not -- and I'm unsure there is a workable solution.
I didn't say to let every kind of garbage cross the border, I said you should use their model. Lock the borders, shoot anyone trying to get in.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes, because there aren't any homeless people in Paris playing horrible accordion music on the RER and shouting what I can only assume is a desperate plea for money...
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
Very very charitable act, but it does make the problem worse in the long term. People value things for the price the pay for them. I'd love to see free housing on a temporary basis (1mo-6mo) and after 2mo you have to show income, and you can apply for extending that deadline twice once you have your spending reviewed. You should be able to get a minimum wage job within a few weeks, and begin work/training for a skilled labor job after you've got basic income coming in.
Call me old-fashioned, but I believe in hard work. In my blue collar teens/early 20s, I have done everything from assembling buses to commercial roofing. Both of which paid significantly more than minimum wage and only took a few weeks of training.
Either put up your own money for letting people live for free or be quiet about it
I've given food, money and syringes to the homeless from my own stocks because they needed it. I encouraged them to think about their choices, impulses, and long term effects. Others run programs and shelters for jebus, or so they can profit(or engorge their powers) for themselves and theirs. I am not on this planet to profit on the backs of the poor, how about you and those you support?
They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
My guess would be because it keeps them in the city. The organizers might point out that if you export them to a random suburb or rural area (with enough available space for those homes and spread them out decently), they no longer have available the city's transportation and logistics infrastructure. Furthermore, though they might not point this one out, homeless folks are probably not trusted to take proper care of a $250K home- the long term maintenance for 100 such homes to keep them in decent shape may be much higher than the single building maintenance cost. Finally, and they certainly won't point this one out, it keeps all the homeless people you don't trust in one place, rather than annoying the suburbanites and going to the suburban school districts.
Give those criminal blacks and Mexicans a reason not to be criminal (i,e. something to lose) and watch your crime statistics plummet.
You think we don't have our share of poor people? We do. Ours just have food+shelter. Are they happy? Far from it. But they don't want to endanger what little they have and go to prison over nothing.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Not disagreeing with "evil" here as far as excuses not to help others.
But I understand the Great Depression led to the largest rise in membership and influence in the Communist Party (when they were ignorant of and/or ignoring Stalin) and other lefty organizing in the US since the first Red Scare in the 1910's. Economic hardship led directly to the New Deal, a response from the powers trying to forestall wider unrest. I don't think people were more selfish, they were pissed and ready for change. Kinda like today. I think crime was way down too?
"Ruthlessly pursuing the idea that the accordion is just another instrument."
Where I come from, we call that a "ghetto".
Yeppers, get them out of sight (and therefore out of mind) with the minimum effort and cost possible....
Note, by the by, that the $30M is going to buy housing units (of whatever type) for about $15K per homeless family. Good luck with that....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Absolutely it will increase and increase and increase.
The Homeless Wars (can I trademark that?) will be amusing, to say the least.
"...a facility to house homeless families with children..."
I understand why this happens, and kids certainly need help. As a disabled person who has spent time on the streets myself, it's good to see people, especially rich people, doing something concrete for the poor where they live. I'd love to see lots more charity and social programs, provided they're structured correctly. Which this one isn't.
STOP TELLING POOR PEOPLE TO BREED TO GET FREE SHIT. At the very least, you need to help the people who are not breeding just as much, so they're not encouraged to make more poor people for their own interests. You don't even have the excuse of making more workers to exploit anymore! General automation is right around the corner, you already have little or no use for us. You're just making walking mulch at this point! What is wrong with you?
Just because these resources could potentially be used by illegal immigrants does not mean that they shouldn't be built. All 3 of your points essentially boils down to "I would rather not have a resource available at all, lest it potentially be used by someone who I feel is undeserving of it."
You can make that argument for nearly anything and it's just as much a straw man as it is what you've pointed out.
1. We should have no minimum wage because a minimum wage only serves as a crutch for those who aren't willing to get a better education or a better job.
2. We should not manufacture guns because having any guns at all only makes it easier for illegal immigrants and law breakers to get their hands on guns.
3. We shouldn't subsidize utilities or gasoline costs, if people can't afford those things on their own they're just relying on government handouts and taking tax money from hard working Americans.
There will always be people who take advantage of "the system" but that doesn't mean that we should dismantle those systems so they are of no use to anyone.
Crime among African-Americans is a cultural thing, nothing to do with how rich they are, as a matter of fact rich blacks are even more likely to commit crimes than poor whites.
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Most people don't realize that over 1000 people move to Seattle every week.
Yet we build far fewer rental or owner-occupied properties than that.
Most homeless are actually from here. Literally the same county. Most immigration is from our own state, then from California and Oregon and BC.
Homelessness is occurring in all cities nationwide - Red Blue Purple doesn't matter.
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The US will turn blue, give it thirty years. Those 'pesky minorities' have a habit of voting democrat.
The media has done a great job of convincing minorities that only white people vote Republican. Thus many successful Asians vote for the very party that holds them back for the less successful minorities. It's almost funny. However when you let in millions of immigrants from countries with problems you eventually realize that they take these problems with them. Notice how vast portions of California now resemble Mexico in the worst sense of it. Remind me how the M13 criminal gang happened again? Oh yeah, immigrants. Not unlike the mafias of old. Screening people is a common sense idea that should be applied.
Also don't be so smug about one party rule. Ever notice how all one party states have *severe* problems. Kansas seems like a good example on the R side, Illinois seems like a good example on the D side. Though CA would also be a good example of mismanagement is you look at the decline of the state quality of life (ie roads, schools, etc).
Moral hazard is the phrase that sums this up and it applies just as you noted. Mass immigration types haven't figured out that you'll never have great infrastructure, universal healthcare, good public schools, or universal basic income as long as you have mass immigration. However the rich who really pull the strings have convinced them that mass immigration is good because they want lots of low cost labor. They will shaft every poor and middle class citizen for the perk of cheap housecleaning. Sad.
To liberals everything is great if someone else is paying for it. Why don't you house them and feed them and pay for their medical bills and children when they have them.
I've often thought this about sanctuary cities, lets start deporting all the criminals there. Give them what they want. Let Sacramento be over run by the Mexican mafia and the like until they see the light.
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His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Ha! The telephone booth (what are those?) scene immediately flashed to my mind.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Thanks. I've often idly wondered about it and chalked it up to waste and overhead and skimming. I should have thought about it deeper. I think you make pretty good points.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
I can only speak to Alabama, but I'll for lack of better information conclude that the rest of the USA is the same. If it isn't my apologies.
At one time in Alabama we had a "mental institution" called Bryce Hospital. I'm sure it wasn't pretty inside. The nature of the beast.
But, it did put a roof over our mentally ill folks' head. It gave them three square meals a day.
In the name of political correctness that facility was shut down. Those who might have found themselves there were "enabled." As best I can tell they were enabled to float along until they floated right into a ditch and couldn't get themselves out.
I hear that most of our homeless have some sort of mental illness issue. Yes I know the article talks about homeless with children. Just because your brain is a bit messed up does not mean your gonads do not work.
And now Paul Allen wants to commit $$$ to building a "Bryce Hospital" type facility?
As noted "So the Wheel Turns."
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"When you give it all away, you have nothing left." - Sitting Bull
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
And we have the Administration to do it!
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Yes, Capitalism was a big question mark in the 30's. Some socialistic actions were allowed to prevent rebellion.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
That's what you say.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
"So legal residents never commit tax fraud or identify theft?"
Ever consider reading as a career? Probably a bad idea if you have. If I were you I would work on another skill. This isn't one you seem to posses.
Me: " Those could easily be committed by my neighbors, too. However, if my neighbors are citizens or are in the country legally and can WORK legally then they are far less likely to do so."
And then, me: "People in the country illegally AND working are committing identity left and/or tax fraud."
To be in the country illegally AND working you ARE committing crimes -- by definition. You cannot work without an I9 -- and are either lying or providing fake documents. That means 100% of working illegal aliens are committing crimes JUST by working. Many of which wreak havoc for those who have to untangle someone using their SSN. Never mind the fraud on state and federal taxes being filed for income.
There's a DIFFERENCE when SOME of my neighbors MAY do something illegal and 100% of illegal immigrants who are working ARE doing something illegal.
What? How are you modded insightful?
A criminal record is documentation that you committed a crime. If you broke the law sneaking across the border, you do not have a criminal record. Have you committed a crime? Yes. Is it documented? No. Not until a LEA picks you up and charges you with committing that crime.
This isn't fucking rocket surgery
Apparently to you it is...
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Does that not sound better than just letting them be on the street?
They'd be fine if we'd just spend the money on bootstraps for them. But no, we instead insist on entitlement handouts like this....
Velociraptor = Distiraptor / Timeraptor
Most immigration status infractions are civil offenses, not crimes.
Pay fair share of taxes and then governments can deal with problems like fixing schools, roads, high speed internet for everyone (I heard in Seattle broadband internet is the pits). But then if give guvmint money it gets squandered due to special interests (driven by people that have money to influence politicians). Contributions to noble causes also reminds me of Richard Branson who contributes to providing good drinking water to places in Africa (almost all the wars there began when water supply goes bad or dry). But then he has armies of accountants and lawyers to stash his money in various places around the world to avoid taxes.
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It would seem that there is a lot of ignorance floating around on this topic. This kind of assistance is exactly what various states and the Fed have been implementing for years now to address the problem of the chronically homeless. And contrary to what many would like to think it seems to have a high success rate. However that doesn't mean it's some kind of magic bullet that instantly fixes everything as there are constantly new people becoming chronically homeless and more resources can obviously help. Here's a good NPR article from awhile back talking about such an implementation in Utah:
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/...
The US will turn blue, give it thirty years. Those 'pesky minorities' have a habit of voting democrat.
I think you should take a hard look at the Cuban population in Florida. Also consider the values of most Mexican Americans and Mexican migrants. The democrats may be a little surprised in the next few decades what side of the fence they fall on.
Anyway, I would hope that over the next 10-20 years we'd continue with change if only in small increments to the current 2 party system. I hate to imagine the Democrat and Republican parties looking as they do now or even being the major powers in 30 years.
Signs of hope?: http://redalertpolitics.com/20...
What's the immigration status of these families? Are any of them in the country illegally?
Lets start by checking your friends and relatives, Anonymous Coward. Illegal immigrants are just regular people, so you may know some of them without realizing.
Are any of them cases where the parents are here illegally, but the child is an "anchor baby"?
Are we talking about children who were born here and are legal residents of the country? Or some bizarre cult that tattoos anchors on their children's forehead?
Is this one more of those 'You are here illegally b'cos your ancestors didn't get visas from the Red Indians, er, Native Americans?
And how are conservatives different? red states are net takes of federal money, blue states are net givers. So conservatives are literally living off other people's money.
If you are for reduced government, return all the excess federal money that you didnt pay for.
I have seen this said many times but wonder where it comes from and how they come up with such numbers. If a state has a heavier military presence, does all that money skew it toward being a taker? What about programs like Social Security and Medicare? A lot of people love to retire to southern, warmer climates so does that skew the numbers too?
No matter where you go, there you are.
And I thought driving past section 8 housing was bad. This will be MUCH WORSE!
Wrong, they are crimes, hence the word "illegal" before immigrant. Granted they are misdemeanors but they sure as fuck aren't civil matters.
That is begging the question: the proposition was that it was correct to call the entire category illegal immigrants because their immigration status was inherently criminal. You cannot then prove that their status was was inherently criminal by your use of the phrase "illegal immigrants".
Illegal entry is a crime and a civil offense 8USC1325 (http://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-8-aliens-and-nationality/8-usc-sect-1325.html), but entering legally and then being unlawfully present is only a civil offense,e.g. but not limited to 8USC1324d (http://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-8-aliens-and-nationality/8-usc-sect-1324d.html). (Commission of certain crimes by and immigrant may make them unlawfully present, but that does make the unlawful presence itself. However, that distinction may not be important to the question at hand.)
An interesting side effect is that the criminal offense of illegal entry requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, while unlawful presence has a much lower burden of proof.
Will they be forced off the street? Cause many don't want a house.
Why? Because I think that paying taxes ain't just a poor man's hobby?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
None of these programs have been effective. There is more homeless than ever before and there is more poor than ever before. I think it's high time in this country that we need to decide as a society whether the homeless and the impoverished would be better of fending for their own best interests rather than sucking at the public tit for generations if not lifetimes. It is abundantly clear that many of the homeless wish to remain so and yet government will break its back to spend tax payer dollars to come up with any number of useless programs to dump money into so that they can think they are solving a problem even they know will never be solved. That money would be better spent on infrastructure project like road repavement, sidewalk repair, water/gas mainline repair and replacement. That would have a direct impact on people and dollars better spent. A lot of these people want to be left alone and I say we give it to them. The only difference is, is that if you choose to be homeless, do not be shocked if you are moved elsewhere to be homeless.
People don't simply stay calm and die when they notice that they have no home, no food and no perspective. All it takes for a riot is some asshole shouting "follow me!"
I'm going to start a metal band which covers armored saint which is called asshole messiah.
Seriously though, that asshole is sorely needed right now in 'merica
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
NO, illegal immigrants are people who have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be in the country.
Sadly, the people who are really fucking up the country have every legal right to be here. Illegal immigrants don't even make the needle twitch compared to, say, Republican voters. Unless they are also voters, but when we go looking for voter fraud, we generally just find Republicans.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's a statistical fact supported by both research and law enforcement reporting. The fact you don't like it because your politico-religious viewpoint hasn't caught up doesn't matter.
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It was broken. First, it was clear and second, it was very obviously not bigger on the inside.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Some people seem to believe you already found one. Don't know for sure, but so far he comes across as an asshole all right...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.