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You Can't Change the Default Browser or Switch To Google Search In Windows 10 S (betanews.com)
BrianFagioli quotes a report from BetaNews: If developers do start leveraging the Windows Store, the Windows 10 S experiment could take off, as users won't find a need to install legacy programs. This will largely depend on web browsers being available there, as many users dislike Edge. Thankfully, Microsoft is allowing third-party browser installs from the Windows Store. Unfortunately, there is a big catch -- you cannot change the default. Buried in the Windows 10 S FAQ, the following question is presented -- "Are there any defaults that I cannot change on my Windows 10 S PC?" Microsoft provides the answer: "Yes, Microsoft Edge is the default web browser on Microsoft 10 S. You are able to download another browser that might be available from the Windows Store, but Microsoft Edge will remain the default if, for example, you open an .htm file. Additionally, the default search provider in Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer cannot be changed."
an anti-trust investigator wokeup.
... "I guess the S stands for Shit"?
This one goes in the trash bin.
No it stands for 'Shaft'
This is getting into anti-trust law violation borderline. Even in the USA, they could get burned for this like they did with the Internet Explorer. Some people never learn. We should all just switch to Linux.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Windows 10 S is the walled-garden edition, so this is not surprising (but still a silly move from MS). I predict Windows 10 S will fail for the same reason that Windows RT failed: The inability to run "legacy" (desktop) Windows programs.
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It worked last time. Netscape was destroyed. That was worth the eventual fine,
Let's say this time it takes three years to go through the courts and all the appeals. Then they get a billion dollar fine. That is peanuts to Microsoft. They are facing an existential threat from Google and Chrome.
If by "dickish" you mean "anti-consumer" then I agree.
But why the Windows Phone hate? As somebody not interested in the hyper-configurability of Android or even in apps, I loved WP! It was solid and convenient.
I just pooped your party.
In this day and age, not being able to change browser default might actually hurt Windows. It is not 1996 anymore. On the other hand, browser might not even matter anymore nor the search engines. People pick a few applications and do not seem to be "searching" or "browsing" for anything anymore.
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Fines about these should work exponentially. So if the first one is 1000, the second should be 1000^2 and the third 1000^3.
They should also be based on the income (not profit) of the company. for the first one.
It should also be linked to the CxOs, so if they pull of the same at a different company, the same fine applies.
OTOH they paid for their politicians fair and square, so there's that.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
S stands for "soon" because these features will eventually make their way into other versions.
I like this. Now they need to make Edge better.
If developers do start leveraging the Windows Store, the Windows 10 S experiment could take off,
A product they are keeping around to support legacy business applications is still on a machine focused on education? No wonder Edge is losing, it can't even beat out its predecessor.
Try to change the default browser on a Chromebook....but let's bash Microsoft because it is so much fun!
According to the summary, the S stands for sexperiment:
As in "Bend over and take Microsoft's Sexperiment up your Back Orifice", I assume.
I think "shart" says it all.
You think it might be one thing, so you go for it, but discover it's something else entirely.
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The real issue is that Edge/IE are not Webkit based browsers, which mean that they are unpredictable when viewing/accessing certain content.
If Edge displayed pages & content in exactly the same way as:
- Chrome
- Safari
- Firefox
- Opera
- etc.
then I don't think there would be the same outcry by locking in the browsers.
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This goes with my previous post. With "Chromebook", the name tells you what you get.
The backlash is over the fact that Microsoft is performing a bait and switch telling you that this is a Windows machine and you should be able to configure it the same way you can with any other Windows machines.
But, if you're locked in to a browser and you want to compare it against the locked in browser of a "Chromebook", then you need to label it the same way - call it an "Edgebook" and let the market decide whether or not they feel it is superior to the "Chromebook".
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If you're still buying something to use with any variant of Windows 10 then you are just begging to be abused. If you buy this, you are just getting the abuse you paid to receive.
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Not being able to change the default browser, well, Microsoft's response is you can't do that on a Chromebook either. As for not being able to change default search, they are getting sued. Maybe they don't plan to sell it in Europe and can get away with it. It's not like you can't type duckduckgo.com in the URL bar, but Chrome, for example, gives you the choices of Yahoo, Bing, Ask, and AOL on a Chrombook.
I'll use Edge just as much as I'll use Windows 10 C. (It is C for C..p, isn't it? Oh, so it's S for S..t? OK.)
... well, I don't. Ever.
Then again I'm not in the target market since I destroy Metro (*, **, ***) on every box I own. I guess I keep the store around just because. If I wanted Metro on my server I'd
* one
** two
*** Anniversary Update EXCEPTIONS
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
No I don't work for Stardock. Pay the $5 for Start10. Customize all your registry settings. Re-create quick launch bar. Turn off all the Surface crap that's on by default. Bam, you have the operating system in the format that you most likely want it. I don't even mess with the Windows 8/10 features at all so I forget that Microsoft's Metro UI even exists and all the flaws with its UX.
I've been running Windows 10 like this for a year-ish with no problems. The only quibble I have is with the Windows Telemetry crap which is difficult to turn-off/thwart. It's do-able though.
We'll make great pets
When you do shit like this on your desktop systems, it doesn't sink the system, but any time you do this on ... well, anything else, from MP3-players to phones to tablets to ... you name it, it sinks the system.
Do I really have to put on my consultant hat and charge 1000 bucks an hour when telling you why so you finally believe me and get it?
You don't get away with it on the desktop because people accept this or even (*snicker*) like that. You get away with it because people have no choice. You get away with being an asshole because people have already sunk too much time, money and staff cost to switch. You get away with it because people are dependent on software that only runs on your OS and they can't put into a VM. That is the ONLY reason people put up with this. If they could, they would dump you faster than a chick that said "oh, and by the way, you should probably get tested" after you fucked her.
You are not in that position in ANY other area than desktop. You MIGHT get away with it to some degree in the server department. And maybe in the console market, mostly because anyone competing with you is at least as much a dick as you are. But anything like that will NOT be accepted in ANY other market. People will happily dump you and switch to something else because they easily can do so in all other areas.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Didn't Microsoft already lose a lawsuit because of exactly this?
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I bet some guys at Apple are really righfully laughing about this. MS never fails to screw up, do they?
Any curiosity I had about this thing has vanished in an instant. It's amazing to watch.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
The computer proficiency spectrum is pretty clear-cut: Mac --> Windows --> Linux --> BSD --> Unix. SystemD is the final frontier of high-computing/low-security meeting - move to BSD or higher if you want security.
This whole default browser thing smacks of anti-competitive activity. Microsoft should have ceded the broswer war years ago.
Seriously, how long will it take once this is available until there is a 'fix' for this irritation?
It's Windows RT all over again and I hope it flops as badly. A device capable of running 10 S is capable of running Windows 10. There is no excuse.
Incoming! LOL!
Microsoft has discovered that they are having trouble competing when the playing field is level, so Microsoft has to forcibly lock customers in, removing customer choice, in order to have their sub-standard products be used.
You're stuck with it on mobile too, and it seriously rapes the shit out of the power regardless of use or settings. I have it on power saving from 100% battery and I'm lucky to have 30% at the end of the day. It's 13:47 now, I'm at work so it's not been on at all really other than at lunch and i'm on 66%. I generally only use it for browsing too with maybe 4 or so tabs on the go.
Let's have a little look now at the last 24 hours apps with usage shall we.
Microsoft Edge (never allowed in background) 84%
Audiobooked 4%
Groove music 3%
Start 2%
Films & TV 1%
Xbox and then some more all
It's fucking ridiculous. Unless there's something going on with it that I don't understand but I've seen the articles where they claim edge is good for power but unless the mobile version is vastly different from the desktop that's bullshit. It's probably just too few people to make a fuss and they don't really give a shit.
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Those who actually accept S as their OS won't care because they aren't the users downloading and installing other browsers. It's a bad move for Microsoft because it brings bad press (and possibly another anti-trust lawsuit). In the real world though the users sticking with S are the same users that click on the blue E anyway. While I would never support a decision like this. I really don't think it does much of anything to an already broken and restricted product.
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by building top quality alternative OS that is 100% compatible with third party Windows applications and sell it at half the price microsoft sells windows for, i tried ReactOS and found it to be a worse piece of crap than just using wine or virtualbox on Linux
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Some companies can tell you ... this is obsolete you must upgrade.... other companies can lock you to certain features without choice..... other companies can have a very locked down environment..... Apple on Mac and iOS can be in "control", Google Chrome OS can be in "control".... but if Microsoft does something similar people complain. It is almost comical now to watch some of the post when there is an Apple announcement posted here vs a Microsoft one.
Back in the late 80's, early 90's, Apple pretty much gave away computers to public schools. Getting kids use to the Apple ecosystem. The difference is, where Apple has computers, ipads, ipods, phones, watches...MS has...a computer operating system...that's it. No phones, not much of a pad, no real smart watches.
iPhones and high end Android phones were "solid and convenient" as well, and they actually had a useful number of apps in the app store.
And then we can talk about Microsoft's long history of developing and then abandoning mobile platforms which, if rumors are true, is about to happen again.
I can't figure out why anybody would buy a Windows phone. And apparently they didn't. Microsoft has been in a race to the bottom with Blackberry for the last two or three years.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Microsoft learned nothing from their "RT" experiment.
If it's labeled "Windows" people expect to be able to run windows apps - yeah like that copy of Photoshop you got a few years ago. Windows customers buying Windows 10 S devices will find out the hard way that their desktop computing experience is now limited to the Windows App store - probably the most sparse app store on the planet.
For schools deeply entrenched in the G Suite ecosystem, there is no benefit to switching to Microsoft's "Windows Lite" platform - only the drawbacks of running a windows based product - without the application compatibility benefits.
Finally, in the 3 years that we've been on G Suite we've become dependent on apps that only run in G Suite. Moving away at this point would be painful.
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In the very good horror movie (still in theaters) Get Out one of the key horror elements (it appears) is that everyone uses Windows phones, the Edge browser and searches on Bing! This brings that horror to real life!
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... "I guess the S stands for Shit"?
Ah, but that is the selling point, you see, just listen to this wise tale:
In the beginning was the plan, and then the specification;
And the plan was without form, and the specification was void.
And darkness was on the faces of the implementors thereof;
And they spake unto their leader, saying:
"It is a crock of shit, and smells as of a sewer."
And the leader took pity on them, and spoke to the project leader:
"It is a crock of excrement, and none may abide the odor thereof."
And the project leader spake unto his section head, saying:
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide it."
The section head then hurried to his department manager, and informed him thus:
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."
The department manager carried these words to his general manager, and spoke unto him saying:
"It containeth that which aideth the growth of plants, and it is very strong."
And so it was that the general manager rejoiced and delivered the good news unto the Vice President.
"It promoteth growth, and it is very powerful."
The Vice President rushed to the President's side, and joyously exclaimed:
"This powerful new software product will promote the growth of the company!"
And the President looked upon the product, and saw that it was very good.
(http://foldoc.org/SNAFU%20principle)
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Note the Browser is NOT part of the OS, so this is a marketing decision.
Hello time-traveler and welcome to the future. Here the web browser is an integral part of everyday work and leisure-time. Not having a browser is like not having man on a UNIX system (though it is commonly spelled Unix today).
I recommend that you check out the free Unix compatible systems that are available here in the future, Linux based ones are most popular but alternatives like FreeBSD may be more familiar to you. Use a web browser to search for them.
P.s. All normal installations of those Unix compatible systems come with a web browser too!
It won't fail. It's cheaper for OEMs to include and less things can go wrong on it. No more bonsai buddy toolbar cleanups etc. Harder for app piracy to take place. The publishers, users, and manufacturers will see it as a win.
The only people who will be upset are more hard core users, and they've shown much tenacity when it comes to putting up with the crap Windows throws at them. Windows' share is about the same even after Vista, Win8, and Win10 shenanigans, and die hards are sticking to Win7 come hell or high water.
I'm sure whoever gets stuck with 10 S is going to stick with it as well. (The S stands for Stockholm!)
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Actually, I have, and it's dead simple on a Mac, just like almost everything else. Go to the General panel in System Preferences and right there in the middle of the window is a dropdown for default web browser. Any browser installed into your global applications folder or your personal applications folder shows up there.
Ask me how the Heisenberg Principle may or may not have saved my life.
Time and time again, Windows succeeds where it can run the broad selection of off-the-shelf software that is available for the existing platform. Windows fails where it cannot leverage that advantage: phones, tablets, (usually) servers, IoT devices, infrastructure OS, supercomputing, you name it. By restricting 10S to "Store Apps" Microsoft is throwing away the only reason people choose Windows in the first place. Uncoincidentally this is the same reason the ARM version of Windows failed to gain any significant traction.
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but Microsoft Edge will remain the default if, for example, you open an .htm file.
What is this, the 90s? When was the last time anyone opened an .htm file?
"When you open a link in another program" would have been a far more up-to-date example.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Remember this is basically an embedded OS that is competing directly with Chrome OS.
Chrome OS also does not allow you to change the browser.
I bought one, and for about half the price of an iPhone.
Here's a question for you. Do you think Windows Mobile (the pre-WP7 stuff) would still be around today if MS hadn't killed it? Would it really have been able to compete?
I just pooped your party.
"UEFI error: Secure boot failed."
Sorry, I'm done with MS hardware with the exception of mice and the like. Every time a programmable item comes from Redmond it's artificially crippled or limited in such a way as to harm the user and benefit MS. Enough already!
Does the name Netscape not ring a bell?
In other news: fuck Microsoft.
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it's the opposite of free software - when the software (or the corporation who wrote it) owns you.
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And when do the fire sales begin?
... "I guess the S stands for Shit"?
Ah, but that is the selling point, you see, just listen to this wise tale:
In the beginning was the plan, and then the specification;
And the plan was without form, and the specification was void.
And darkness was on the faces of the implementors thereof;
And they spake unto their leader, saying:
"It is a crock of shit, and smells as of a sewer."
And the leader took pity on them, and spoke to the project leader:
"It is a crock of excrement, and none may abide the odor thereof."
And the project leader spake unto his section head, saying:
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide it."
The section head then hurried to his department manager, and informed him thus:
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."
The department manager carried these words to his general manager, and spoke unto him saying:
"It containeth that which aideth the growth of plants, and it is very strong."
And so it was that the general manager rejoiced and delivered the good news unto the Vice President.
"It promoteth growth, and it is very powerful."
The Vice President rushed to the President's side, and joyously exclaimed:
"This powerful new software product will promote the growth of the company!"
And the President looked upon the product, and saw that it was very good.
(http://foldoc.org/SNAFU%20principle)
True, that. In more companies than one...
I believe it's commonly known that The "S" is for Sucks.