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Hackers Came, But the French Were Prepared (nytimes.com)
Adam Nossiter, David E. Sanger, and Nicole Perlroth, reporting for the New York Times: Everyone saw the hackers coming. The National Security Agency in Washington picked up the signs. So did Emmanuel Macron's bare-bones technology team. And mindful of what happened in the American presidential campaign, the team created dozens of false email accounts, complete with phony documents, to confuse the attackers (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). The Russians, for their part, were rushed and a bit sloppy, leaving a trail of evidence that was not enough to prove for certain they were working for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin but which strongly suggested they were part of his broader "information warfare" campaign. The story told by American officials, cyberexperts and Mr. Macron's own campaign aides of how a hacking attack intended to disrupt the most consequential election in France in decades ended up a dud was a useful reminder that as effective as cyberattacks can be in disabling Iranian nuclear plants, or Ukrainian power grids, they are no silver bullet. The kind of information warfare favored by Russia can be defeated by early warning and rapid exposure.
are a bunch of hacking thieves.
Show some real proof. Can't blame everything on Russia forever.
Yes, you conspiracy theorists finally struck gold! Meanwhile the CIA/MI6/Mossad can work in broad daylight now. The trick worked!
Oh look guys, more NYT propaganda about muh Russian h4x0rs
for 9/11.
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning. And for what? It's not like Congress is likely to impeach him and remove him any time soon, although if he keeps pulling stunts like Comey, he may hasten his own end.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up, and do you blame them? NATO so thoroughly outstraps them militarily and economically (for chrissake, Italy has a larger GDP than Russia) that cyberwarfare is the one area where they have a relatively level playing field, so of course they're going to use it.
The big problem was the Macron dump seems to have been ludicrously rushed. You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France. I mean, seriously, do you think the Macron campaign was actually making that kind of plan? Or maybe you do, the gullibility of the Alt-Right never ceases to astound me.
At any rate, Le Pen lost, and lost massively.
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Despite the vault 7 leaks the few companies that own the US media (hello Dice you pile of schmucks) persist in pushing the narrative that Russia "hacked" the US election. I'm not buying it and I hope most of Slashdot also isn't buying it. Find a new tune, the Texas Twoface is getting old.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Why should they be any different?
Sounds like it's time for the U.N. to threaten Russia with sanctions.
making a bunch of russian hackers look at goatse is great!
Or a Trump supporter. Sorry. That's redundant.
I sense you have some strong beliefs about WTC 7.
That article just oozes propaganda: it's the Russians, again, and everything they got was fake anyway. Trust us! We are way too smart to get hacked!
The emails were released at a time when it was illegal for the french press to publicize them so, inarguably, the leaks could do very little damage.
There also seems to be very little in the article of what "hacking" actually occurred. Did they guess email passwords? Did they get somebody to click on a password change email? They certainly seem to know IT WAS THE RUSSKIES AND THE SAME ONES THAT HACKED HILLARY but very little other info.
What does it say that the IT team had enough resources to generate honeypots but couldn't actually... SECURE the emails and just assumed they were going to get hacked anyway? (At that point you're far better off NOT using emails altogether and just requiring some cloud based chat system requiring 2FA which is far easier than making fake honeypots)
And then to say that the leaked emails were a giant nothing burger anyway so nothing of importance was hacked?
To wit - I don't buy the story... at all.
It's great that between two traditional corrupted shits (not to mention Lepen), the French elected a "3rd party" centrist president.
That's what we need in the US but failed to accomplish when having to choose between Clinton and Trump. I guess the alternative parties were pretty crappy, though. That's where we need to work, building a centrist party especially since the democrats have vacated this position in favor of identity politics.
> So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
Of course not, and not my point. Claiming you ACTUALLY had honeypots instead of real data is ludicrous, that is my point.
I don't know if the documents are all legit. They were dropped at the last moment anonymously, so it is quite possible someone salted in some bullshit. Certainly, unlike other leaks / hacks, Wikileaks never had the time to verify them, nor did they do that, or release them, so of course they are sketchy.
Conveniently claiming to have made up fake documents because you know hackers are coming (and you know they are Russian, ofc, lol) is the height of lunacy, and doing it anywhere else in life would get your ass mocked to pieces.
The French should be prepared.
The problem with hacking is that a lot of companies have the "security has no ROI" attitude. Last year, when I interviewed at one place (and definitely didn't take the offer), the CxO gave me the song and dance about "only person that profits from a lock is the lock maker", and when I asked what they would do in case of a breach, the response was, "we will call Accenture and let their world class professionals fix it."
With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector. The problem is that until there is an actual reason, and something that makes top brass actually value security, it won't happen. The -only- thing that has worked is PCI-DSS, because ignoring that hits businesses squarely in the pocketbook.
Linux. Prepared or not, we'd all be safer using it. Gamers and IT...go ahead and say something. I know you want to.
Les lameurs
The title cut me off. The last word should be "use."
And chemtrails -- don't forget the chemtrails.
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Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
What the US and Israel did in Iran was a crime and the targetted company was a German company. They infected German process control equipment which could have led to a nuclear leak if their code was not perfect.
What the Russians have done is hack and release emails. If you are not doing shady stuff you are not affected at all by the leak of your emails. Clinton was affected because she was a crook. Macron was not because he wasn't a crook.
Equating the above 2 is like equating "Someone who drives drunk with someone who peeks through a window"
**Life is too short to be serious**
The U.S. is bent on making Russia the new boogeyman that they so badly need. I hope at least Europeans wake up and realize that the greatest danger is not Russia, but our supposed allies over at the stupid side of the Atlantic.
The U.S. infiltrated and sabotaged EU computer systems in private, financial, industry, and political sectors. What more proof do you need that they are treating us as an enemy exactly? Wake up.
Don't know what that has to do with the price of rice... but your senses are malfunctioning.
Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough, it had to be the chemtrail additives that brought the buildings down. It's just simple logic.
You also have to be a "real 'tard" to deny that the French, Americans, Germans and Chinese are "a bunch of hacking thieves", because they all hack and they all use the information they can get their hands on to their own advantage.
Had nothing to do with the government threatening French media that covered it with charges. Freedom can be messy.
Which explains the varied outcomes of the two most recent elections.
The "conspiracy theorist" label is usually applied to people who have no evidence for their beliefs.
In this case, the cyber defense arm of the US government warned the French of Russian attacks based on the information they had.
You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth. Regardless of where you live, you are part of the reason your city, state, and country have problems.
What this tell us is that Macron's cybersecurity team was less incompetent than Hillary's. Good for the French to have elected someone who understands technology a bit better than Hillary. Other than that, I don't see what relevance this has to the US election or Hillary's poor performance.
I knew those cheese eating surrender monkeys were to to no good. This is nothing short of UnAmerican. Why, as an American I won't stand for it. I need to sit awhile to catch breath anyway...
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Phony documents? That would never fly in court.
Are you stupid or trolling?
The prosecution must demonstrate that documents in evidence are legitimate. Nothing in a hacker's trove is admissible evidence.
Now, those documents may give investigators an idea of where to go looking. If there is anything truly worrying, the authorities can open an investigation.
But the actual leaked documents are meaningless unless their origin or accuracy can be demonstrated.
Wow, straight of the playbook of 20th century European fascists.
the Maginot firewall?
You are going to have a fun four years.
Funny thing is, I read in the dutch press that the hackers and the dissemination of the texs were financed by far-right american groups...
Paai
See subject: There's many ways to make it appear to be "from Russia" easily (rent servers there, use proxies etc. - et al).
* Get real /.ers saying "oh it's the 'russians' again" (pseudo-russians IS a possibility here)
APK
P.S.=> I mean, seriously: IF you were the "russians" & wanted to do this, would YOU put the 'finger' on yourself in code used? No. Would you use USSR based servers?? Hell no. Come on people - get real (russkies aren't THAT stupid)... apk
That is, unless the documents are blatantly obviously false. You seem to be assuming that it wasn't obvious to the majority of French voters. You seem to have failed at a basic conceptualization of cause and effect.
Both sides have a lot of propaganda. On the right, there are articles about France "going quietly into the cold dark night". The left had articles about Le Pen's crew wanting to dig up fallen US soldier graves and send them back across the pond, as well as drop the EU and NATO.
So, lots of extremism on both sides. However, I do feel the French made a wise choice. We in the US (those of us who did vote for Orange) made a grave mistake in doing so...
Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
Congratulations!!! You have won the whataboutism prize! You can now buy stuff made by slave kids, since the USA had slavery!
I thought you were trying to make a point, but then this
(and you know they are Russian, ofc, lol)
gave up the game. That was a bit heavy-handed, Mr. Sock.
I would explain how wrong you are, but you would not likely be able to understand. Go back to staring at the wall and mumbling to yourself.
Yeah, you would do alot of things if you weren't full of shit...
Congratulations! You get the participation prize on whataboutism! You can now shoot black people without repercussion, since George Zimmerman was acquitted!
I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism. Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
Criminal prosecution and impeachment does have a certain entertainment value...
Either that or he isn't a fascist because the FBI director wasn't closing in on anything and there wasn't a hack of the election.
This a tech site (or it used to be). What was the f**king hack? Eh? Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
And, by the way, it seems more likely that wikileaks was the result of an actual leak as opposed to a dum dum duuuum "a hack".
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Regardless of where you live, you are part of the reason your city, state, and country have problems.
But I live in Denmark!
Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
It was a bit of social engineering, which is one of the primary methods used by hackers, but I wouldn't call it a hack, per se. But it's seen as a hack by the unwashed masses, and sounds much better to partisans than "Podesta is an idiot."
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Macron is a good man and hacks revealing what he was doing had no impact on his standing. Hillary hacked emails had nothing surprising in them except they confirmed our intuitive perception of her as a person and a politician was correct.
Macron wants to serve. Hillary wanted to rule.
You are listening to the same people who were saying the same thing right after the election for him exposing the re-opening the investigation. I think you need to add yourself to the list (at the the 'Tard' label).
People think they're real. I've seen them reposted a number of times by family members I love too much to unfollow, but otherwise worry me with their beliefs.
Like the CIA fingerprinting technique type of "evidence"?
lmao
The Russians did it? Is that the only play left in the globalist handbook now??
And even IF the Russians did hack and leak emails, the shit surrounding them should send chills down any persons spine.
Not being allowed to re-print those emails on the threat of serious jail time? Thats democracy for ya.
Where only allowed speech is free speech.
From TFA:
That seems a rather hasty and flimsy conclusion. If I were a hacker wanting to cover my tracks, and I noticed the media seems to be hell-bent on wanting to pin blame for everything on Russian hackers, I would:
I'm not saying the Russians aren't hacking other countries. I'm fairly certain they are. Just like the U.S. is, just like UK is, just like China is, just like France is, etc. I'm just pointing out the purported "evidence" here suffers from the conspiracy theory flaw of requiring the People Behind It All to simultaneously be extraordinarily competent (to hack into secure systems) and incompetent (to not know Word leaves editing fingerprints).
If you wonder why this attack was linked to Russia, here's what the article says (caps mine):
"Other documents had last been modified by Russian usernames, including one person that researchers identified as a 32-year-old employee of Eureka CJSC, based in Moscow, a Russian technology company"
That is, the whole accusation is based on the fact that an attacker used the same username ("IvanPetrov"?) as someone working for a Russian goverment contractor. Of course, the username itself is not released. Slashdot, spare us from this propaganda drivel please.
Well, the generation of high quality site mimics to which to direct phishing logins *sorta* gets there...
Someone had to do it.
But, the crusades!
The truth is a little more subtle. Podesta asked his his aids about the phishing email, who told him that it was legit.
I don't believe the claim from the "tech advisor" that in his reply, "illegitimate" was the intended wording, because of the use of "a" instead of "an" and the other text in the reply.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
You have to be a real 'tard to think it matters.
Hillary didn't lose because Russia. The Russians didn't make Hillary take the rust belt for granted. Hillary wasn't operating an illegal mail system to hide her actively from the Russians. The Russians didn't make Hillary's staff destroy government documents during an investigation. The Russians didn't make Hillary sick. The Russians had nothing to do with wrapping the US around the transgender bathroom axle for a year. The Russians didn't coin "irredeemable deplorables" and alienate millions of the Democrats traditional working class base. The Russians didn't tell lies about the slaughter of US ambassadors. The Russians had nothing to do with the DNC fucking over Bernie Sanders and obviating many of his supporters. The Russians weren't responsible for shit polling or naive candidates making bad decisions based on it. The Russians had nothing to do with Huma and her perv husbands antics. The Russians did not pay Hillary for her speeches to the banker establishment or tell her to withhold the transcripts. None of the small constellation of women Bill Clinton made famous with his cock were Russians. Nothing the Russians ever said in support of TPP was attributed to Hillary; those were her own words, and the Russians weren't the reason no one believed Hillary when she flip-flopped on it.
But yeah, "Russia did it we was robbed!111."
Keep believing it. The more deluded you are the better.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism.
What was the point of the ShanghaiBill's comment? Right now the only thing I see is an attempt to deflect the conversation form what Russia did.
Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
Latvia is hardly special. Any feature we have is had by our neighbours, which would be Lithuania, Estonia, Russia and Belarus. I'm just sick and tired of the propaganda of the imperial Russia (before that imperial USSR, and before then again imperial Russia).
Remember, don't connect the actual counting devices to the Net, no matter how secure you think it is.
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It could have been phosphorus. Lizard people require more phosphorus in their diets than humans do.
The liberal won, so obviously democracy worked as designed.
Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Oh, please, you are exactly on message for leftists, progressives, and European intellectuals. And I don't take "offense" at it, I just point out what a bunch of lunatics you are.
What a nice bed-time story, have any more of those?
I'm sorry but you missed the point. I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
They don't suddenly become unacceptable because Hillary couldn't emotionally deal with her election defeat and created the "Russia cost me the election" meme.
LOL you must not be French to write something like this :)
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
See subject (it's good for FRAMING russians to those that don't know better) & you've done better than https://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10585739&cid=54379821/ ?
* PROVE IT, you FAKE NAME online for your FAKE LIFE...
(I've worked w/ Russian coders in the Fortune 500 & they were sharp & @ more than just coding (networking too)).
APK
P.S.=> It's been a pleasure making you "EAT YOUR WORDS" & "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!", lol... apk
More deluded than someone voting against their best interest?
More deluded that those that believe that an orange buffoon is America saviour?
More deluded than those dispossessed in the middle of nowhere thinking that a self centred rich spoiled? spastic from New York will care about them?
I see..
In another issue, does anyone know how much the ruskies pay for posting crap in the net?. I'm looking for some extra income, so call, yea?
I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
Depends on your moral compass. For example, Kant considered lying a grave breach of ethical behaviour. Just look at the Nazi propaganda against Jews which gave justification to the crimes against humanity. As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, all three of those are umbrella terms that range from “ethically dubious” to “outright criminal”. What I mean is that your assertions are not valid until you clarify what you mean exactly.
Also, these kinds of activities have an interesting history. I'm sure you'll find the page interesting.
The Russians had nothing to do with wrapping the US around the transgender bathroom axle for a year.
You're correct. That would be the fruits of 30 years of effort on the part of feminism paying off and making you think that people who are transgendered are guys who want to rape women in the bathroom.
So...
Why then do so many guys get so upset when I need to take a piss and head into the men's room?
I spent the first 20 years of my life as a guy, so I think I know the correct etiquette in the men's room. This is not a problem my actions are causing. This is a problem that is caused because I just simply fucking look like a woman.
Yeah, dude looks like a lady. And I don't mean just long hair. I mean cleavage. I mean my face. I mean body language.
It's no longer about how feminists intimidated and threatened me in college. I refuse to feel bad any more when I make a man uncomfortable when I'm in the men's room.
YOU CAN GO TO HELL WHEN I AM USING THE BATHROOM YOU YOURSELVES DEMAND I USE.
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Would be nice to know the name of the company you interviewed at that is run by such morons. If I use any of their services, I'd definitely like to know so I can start looking for alternatives.
Ok, NOW where is the whataboutism guy?
I took you as an American so apologies for that. Latvians have more reason to concern themselves about Russia than most, I guess.
I think the point is just general irony when imperialists get all huffy at an imperialist doing imperialist things - I don't see that as whataboutery, especially since the original comment didn't really add anything either. Some of us are just as sick of our own countries shit as anyone else's (although I can't actually speak for ShanghaiBill).
It's still a conspiracy theory. It is so not because it didn't happen but because it's moot. Voters already have a pretty good idea of which way they lean well before an election. While I can't be quite so sure of this for France, I can certainly be sure of it in the US where the parties in question had a long established history.
Having everyone's opinions on display also doesn't hurt.
Losers need this hacking narrative to explain their failures. Not that it's ultimately productive.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Social engineering? That's the job of the political parties.
If they are being outdone by 3rd party spoilers, then they need to close up shop and go home.
Who needs "social engineering" when deplorables have hated Hillary for decades? This is the real problem that remains completely unacknowledged by liberals.
Now you're just trying to "out idiot" each other. It's embarrassing.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Whatever works.
But for the record, I agree that characterising Trump as the second coming of Mussolini is just showing ignorance of the many ways that democracy has been hacked over the years. He is probably closer to the second coming of Berlusconi.
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As a chronic cancer patient, the liberal agenda is the LAST thing I want. The last thing I want is the private market turned into something like Medicaid, Medicare, or the VA.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
> Why then do so many guys get so upset when I need to take a piss and head into the men's room?
You can't pass? If you can't go into the ladies room without inspiring a lot of screaming, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your life choices.
The fact that you don't give a f*ck if you frighten old ladies is not really anything redeeming.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Show me your evidence! It has to be admissible in court, or GTFO!
You fools will believe anything that suits your preferred narrative.
And the moderation here is just another part of your propaganda.
Damn! This fucking internet is just making people dumber and more gullible, worse than the TeeVee. Sad!
Yet, you're not smart enough to understand that 'treason' is well defined and this, even if you were correct, wouldn't be treason. No, really, it is spelled right out and clearly defined.
Now, my goal is to help Slashdot. This means, I have to tell idiots that they are idiots, and that they should go to Reddit. So, you're an idiot and you should go to Reddit.
No, really... We will be fine without you. If you ever manage to score better than 80, on the IQ test, feel free to post again. Until then, go away. I'm sure you're good at something, but thinking isn't that something. This site is for thinking people. Go away.
It wasn't right, the first time you posted it. It is no more right when you postit a second time.
This is a site for intelligent adults. Reddit is where you belong. Go there.
We're supposed to care when one person is "offended" or "uncomfortable" on one hand, but we're a bigot if we are supposed to care when another person (usually plural) is "offended" and "uncomfortable".
And yes, there have been MORE cases of men (real, purvy men) "using" the lady's room since the decision has happened, because you can't really tell the difference between "Purvy man" looking for crotch and tits, and a "Trans / drag queen" looking at clothes and shoes. And if you have a magic way of reading which one is which, then you should sell it on QVC and make a few million bucks doing so. AND heaven forbid you mistake a %.03 population for someone that is 50% (more or less).
Pretending the problems don't exist are liberal's favorite excuse. My suggestion, is that we just make one "bathroom" for everyone, and fuck people's feelings all together.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector.
There are a couple issues I have with this statement, not because of anything you said, but what is left unsaid. First .. breaches occur so often that most of them aren't even worth reporting. It is like reporting on the number of bugs I killed driving past the flower fields. Meh, nobody cares.
Second issue is even more frightening, the number of breaches still won't outweigh the actual costs of those breaches. The prevention of a possibility cost more than the probability * cost of a breach, which makes securing a breach unlikely. In the eventuality of a breach the "Accenture" route is better choice, because you can probably pawn it off on insurance.
The ONLY way to make it cost effective, is lower the cost of securing your stuff, or making breaches more costly artificially (fines, fixes, etc). The problem with the latter is all of that goes away with a Bankruptcy. And even then, the market will eventually sort it all out, include the costs in evaluations and keep working.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
There's been an increase of purvey men in womens restrooms you say? Let's see some data on that because I'm willing to bet you just pulled that out of your backside
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Does it explain France's high unemployment that it's had for decades too?
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That should Trump's campaign slogan:
"Technically it's not treason when Donald Trump colludes with a hostile foreign adversary's crimes on US soil."
I think you are stupid enough to believe that.
Donald Trump brags about his IQ because he is dumb as a rock, and his supporters are even stupider.
As ~20% of the seats in the Danish Parliament held by the far-right group 'Dansk Folkeparti', I would hardly say your part of the world is without issues.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
You're confusing ethics with politics.
So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
No, they are well-defined terms with well-defined meaning. Go look them up. Oh, and by the way, none of them amount to "lying".
Well, yours is obviously busted.
An anonymous coward marked +5 insightful is a clear sign of propaganda bullshit.
Does moving goalposts help make a point?
Yeah, but Mike Pence as Prez? He is technically a sane right wing nut job. Here in the RoW we just need more popcorn.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
"evidence that was not enough to prove for certain"
With the release of vault 7 anybody knows how to do this.
Therefore every single claim of Russian intervention is suspect now.
If you're still pushing it, you're either a shill or a convenient idiot.
New York times is also already known to be pro-Macron.
Probably not. Mussolini was the darling of the US intellectual and progressive elite in the 1930's. It was only with the war with Germany and the genocide that fascism nominally (though not ideologically) fell out of favor with US elites. These days, Sanders and Clinton are a lot closer to Mussolini than Trump.
Doesn't sound like Trump to me: Forza Italia was a centre-right party, formed mainly by ex-Christian Democrats, ex-Liberals and ex-Socialists. The ideology of the party ranged from libertarianism to social democracy (often referred to as "liberal socialism" in Italy), including elements of the Catholic social teaching and the social market economy.
How exactly does one "hack" an election? I can't speak for France, but the US had\s hundreds and hundreds of voting precincts using hundreds of different combinations of systems for counting votes and for tallying and reporting. How exactly does somebody perfectly "hack" a near unlimited number of different systems at the same time? What methods would be used and how is it done
I expected better from slashdot users.
All I keep hearing is people SAYING russians "hacked" the elections but no actual evidence (or motive) beyond some people said so. The whore media and scumbag "public servants" and their followers just repeat the same shit over and over again until people start to believe it.
No one gets mad when you use the men's room. They, rightfully, get mad when you use the ladies room.
I'm always angry. All the time.
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Anyone who thinks Russia didn't play a role in the US election is an idiot. Hillary was a corrupt bag of dog shit, but to think that so many US citizens are dumb enough to elect a corrupt dumb ass pile of dog shit reality TV show star is beyond moronic. Face it people, Russia ran the US election and people are too stupid to admit it because they want to believe their country is all powerful. Wake up. Trump is a Russian Nazi - used because his dumb ass would help tear apart this country. Your left wing and right wing bullshit is helping it along. Wake up dumb ass and stop buying into the White nationalist vs Black ) Brown eco warrior bullshit. We were once all Americans and they won't destroy us, our nut job ideologies of race, wealth, oh my god I'm afraid of a brown immigrant selling oranges etc bullshit is going to Rio us apart. They are playing us and we are giving in to them. Bunch of dumb asses wake up.
You said one thing that was correct. It is not treason.
You've got all this information available, and yet you still choose to remain ignorant. Willful ignorance is more suited to Reddit.
And, no. I hate Trump. I hate stupidity more than I hate Trump, however.
I get it - you "hate" trump, but you are inexplicably anxious to draw a fine distinction between literal treason and figurative treason as if your maniacal horse shit is not itself ignorant.
Holy shit - Slashdot is truly a master race!
You are so enlightened that you can draw a fine distinction between literal treason and figurative treason while not realizing we are both talking about treason.
If you want to act like your pedantic horse shit is the real slashdot that's fine. For the record I think you are a fucking idiot. You make slashdot look like its populated by cuckholded retards who are fine with treason as long as we specify that it's figurative treason, not the literal definition.
By the way, Trump's collusion with Russia's attack on our election was a coup. That's the literal definition of the word treason. You fucking moron.
I want to see actual bonafide evidence. The intelligence communities are rotten to the core and only a fool would take their words at face value.
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Not, but it explains why the US Treasury and Federal Reserve have incurred trillions of debt to maintain the appearance of a healthy economy.
Right, foreign hackers miss their target, but french banking establishment managed to get its candidate elected. This is foreign operation beaten by local influence.
I'm willing to bet there's been an increase in the number of pervy men pulling things out of their backsides.
What I mean by that is that Berlusconi was a rich man whose political beliefs didn't fit perfectly into a major party (and won because of disaffection with mainstream politics) and ran the country to indulge and enrich himself.
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The real scoop on these so called "hacks" is that they were completely staged, and done on purpose as part of a distraction technique to create sympathy for the macron camp and make Le Pen look dodgy.
You wont find that in the MSM.
So anything else said is just bafflegab. They imposed nationwide censorship in an attempt to prevent the dissemination of the stolen data, but what else would you expect from the froggies?
Only someone from the US of A would label them socialists.
> The "conspiracy theorist" label is usually applied to people who have no evidence for their beliefs.
So, what is that evidence? Ars says there's something cyrillic in some metadata and fobs off to Trend Micro's report, which says there's an email from a free email provider that they think is related to a different hack. They also label it as Fancy Bear without bothering to give any details about why.
Given that the original "signature" had things like using Tor exit nodes, this seems like a case of "I saw cyrillic somewhere, it's Putin's fault" unless they actually bother to give us more data to establish these links.
Who FUCKING CARES???
I wish someone living in Antarctica were on this thread...
No they didn't, the entire story is a propaganda piece to distract us from the fact that anyone and his dog can hack your Windows computer.
.. was a useful reminder that as effective as cyberattacks can be in disabling Iranian nuclear plants, or Ukrainian power grids, they are no silver bullet."
"The story told by American officials, cyberexperts
Do you have to repeat this cyber bullshit on this technology site?
I'm sorry, but has anyone offered a clear motive for this supposed 'Russia hacking?' Even the peace-loving liberals are eager to go to war with Russia now, despite a conspicuous lack of clear motive for the Russians to do any of this.
How France made cucks out of the entire alt-right movement led by the cuckold in chief wikileaks.
What did they show as proof that Russian hackers were involved? If ever there was a good target for a false attack, it was the French election. RF openly (as in without hiding or backchannels) lent money to Le Pen's campaign. So if anyone wanted to throw shade on Russia to make them seem nefarious, planting evidence of Russian hacking of Macron's campaign would be an obvious move. What's the definitive evidence that it was RF? And if France has it, can they, for f's sake give it to the FBI? I am tired of "it's an ongoing investigation". When it comes to electronic evidence, sorting through logs doesn't take 6 months to a year. Let's ask this question: would they investigate this long to figure out who stole a nuke if the only evidence they had was electronic, but they claimed that it was definitive? If they can prove anything, they should. If they can't, well, I guess our NATO ally can help us prove it now? Seriously.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Just a heads up, France has a shit ton of debt.
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The establishment wasn't prepared, they're just making more hay to feed their precious narrative.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Some of us are just as sick of our own countries shit as anyone else's
The higher your standards, the more often you will fail to meet them. Nobody in Russia is sick of their country's shit because Putin doesn't even believe in the value of the west's standards.
Don't let our failures to be our best be enablers for his nihilism.
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
What are the political leanings of the judges, and how easily can they be bribed/intimidated by the establishment?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning.
The only thing you and yours have is a narrative of Russia this, Russia that, and Russia killed your puppy.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up
Allegations coming from the establishment left. They would rather see countries like France burn as long as they can keep empty suits in office.
If anyone's messed with the elections, it's the establishment scared shitless that they'd have an actual leader.
You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France
Look for yourself in France. At this rate, the only thing saving France from Eurabia would be a second D-Day from the civilized world - so that they can remove the current Vichy government.
I mean, seriously, do you think the Macron campaign was actually making that kind of plan?
At the very minimum, he sure isn't going to stop the invasion. He enjoys a level of protection that most French - including those duped into voting for him - will never enjoy, a fully armed guard.
Le Pen won more than she did last time. Perhaps you should take King Emmanuel's advice about the election.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
You are mad at imperialist countries.
You disagree with this persons compass.
"not enough to prove for certain they were working for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin" So we have no evidence but we want to blame Russia anyway because we do not like them.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Given that no evidence is supplied in the story it is still a conspiracy theory. Given the long history of lies in order to create conflict it would be extremely stupid to accept what the US government says on face value.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
It's still a conspiracy theory.
Not in the way 'conspiracy theory' is commonly applied, It's an exposed (by multiple lines of evidence), albeit failed attempt to influence an election in a foreign country.
Voters already have a pretty good idea of which way they lean well before an election.
Not relevant. The question is who conducted the phishing/psyops operation, which is an entirely separate question to it's likely effectiveness. Voters intentions, along with your cute naivity about how they might be swayed, don't come into it.
Losers need this hacking narrative to explain their failures.
What are you talking about? They didn't lose, they won in a 66% landslide!
The Russians, for their part, were rushed and a bit sloppy, leaving a trail of evidence
I like how these days when it comes to "evidence", we're never actually given any.
I would love to try that on the taxman.
So, what is that evidence?
Motivation; ability; ...
That something being the name of an employee of Evrika, a known Kremlin defense contractor.
Now while it's undeniably a possibility that the metadata was planted as part of a 'false-flag' operation, that theory itself lacks both corroborating evidence and plausible motivation (though other actors certainly have the means). Even at the risk of being wrong, reason requires we apply Occam's razor.
Yes, and then there's the public testimony from US intelligence services:
Testifying in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee in Washington on Tuesday, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, said American intelligence agencies had seen the attack unfolding, telling their French counterparts, “Look, we’re watching the Russians. --TFA
Look I know what you mean, it's just so damn annoying that the CIA, NSA, DGSE etc, don't run all their classified material past my desk. Don't the know who the HELL I AM?! ... scarily they probably do. :/
Seriously though ... while we're not, and are never likely to be, at the beyond reasonable doubt standard, on the balance of probabilities the publicly available evidence points towards Russian involvement. And that is hardly surprising: the Kremlin explicitly favoured Le Pen and we cannot but expect Russia to deploy its capability in favour of Russian national interest.
You can bank on the fact that in any election anywhere in the world where the Kremlin feels it has an interest in the outcome, Russian aligned hackers and (so called) troll-armies (i.e. social media influencers) will be at work in an attempt to influence the outcome (however marginal that influence may be).
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
Given that no evidence is supplied in the story it is still a conspiracy theory.
Don't be disingenuous: there's plenty of evidence (including the testimony of Adm Rogers, the metadata, etc.), you simply choose to discount it. Ironically on Conspiracy theorist logic.
So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
Repeating “crooked Hillary” ad nauseam is not publishing truth. Nether is wildly inaccurate interpretation of facts. That uranium scandal is a pretty good illustration of misinterpretation.
As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, propaganda is usually understood as misleading information (some would say, that is a form of lying). I sure hope you read the “active measures” page to get some insights of what espionage entails, which does contain a lot of deception. As for derogatory information, if what comes out of RT and Sputnik is any indication, that material is a delirium, for a lack of a better word. In Latvian it is best described as “slima zirga murgi”.
What's the weather like in St Petersburg today?
So we have no evidence ...
"not enough to prove for certain" != no evidence
We blame the Russians because they did it.
I mean come on, don't play the fool just to score a point here! You know it was the Russians, yeah? Surely you knew they were going to do this before it happened, just as you know they are going to go big guns after Merkel in the upcoming German elections ... you're not really as wide-eyed as you make out, are you?
Thank you for your post. We now have enough data to determine your location. Say goodbye to your family, the black helicopters arrive at dawn!
That is, the whole accusation is based on the fact that an attacker used the same username ("IvanPetrov"?) as someone working for a Russian goverment contractor. Of course, the username itself is not released.
Sure it was, the user is Georgiy Petrovich Roshka, the company he works for is Evrika (Eureka) an IT company with a Russian defense contract.
And no, had you RTFA, you would know that is not the only fact that points to Russian involvement. And if the Russians didn't do this, what was it that they did instead? Or does the Kremlin pay people for not doing their job, do you think?
Right on! And .... there's a man here who wants to talk to us about this Time Cube he's just discovered...! :-)
You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth.
Presumably you are aware of the irony of that exact statement?
Wow, straight of the playbook of 20th century European fascists.
Could you please cite the page number of the Playbook of C20th European Fascists (and do you have a Dewey number for that?), where it says "... Europeans are smart ... Americans are stupid ... traitor ... collaborator ... traitor ... collaborator ... traitor ..."?
Then now we know what's rotten there.
Oh, we've got much harder far-right wingers trying to get into Parliament.
And now I've just made myself sad :-(
Eat the rich.
I know there are currently laws in many places which require disclosure to be made when personal private information is "stolen / copied" by hackers.
How about when it's copyright / secret / confidential data which is not personal private info of customers, staff, etc? Maybe plans for a new product, R&D info, etc?
I wonder if such things are reported in public.
I was working in HP when Code Red / Nimda worms were going around. Infection in HP was massive, in the 10000s of computers easily. R&D / development labs in HP had lots of Windows 2000 and other Windows OS machines. I was in one of the R&D labs and we had to shut down all operations for a day or two just to do clear up. And I know it happened at the engineering section attached to us as well. And even after clear ups, there were still Code Red / Nimda infections popping up every few days (HP IT security got a proxy filter or firewall filter / something (been a while) setup finally a couple of days after the massive infection. I think they were also actively scanning the intranet to check for open ports on systems to search for infections).
Yet I recall looking up at the various anti virus bulletin sites(Mcafee, symantec, etc), and I saw that they were saying there were sites with infections in the 100s. Nothing was mentioned about any larger sites infectioned. HP was running Symantec's coporate version of the anti virus those days. At least it was, at the lab I was.
Wonder how many companies will actually publicly admit to being hacked / infected, unless required to by law.
they steal hacking?
As ~20% of the seats in the Danish Parliament held by the far-right group 'Dansk Folkeparti', I would hardly say your part of the world is without issues.
to be fair, compared to the US right wing, those Dansk Folkeparti are not really "far right"
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
its ok, they never think about population.. i guarantee our pool of intelligent people outnumber any one European countrys population. goes to show they cant actually be smarter as they cant even do simple math.
the morons that now occupy slashdot have NO idea about technology. have you read one of the few articles lately that are about actual tech, or hacking for that much? the few of us that know what were doing spend the whole time correcting what i feel are sometimes downright lies about how computers and the internet work. for someone who has been coming to slashdot for tech news since i was a kid. its depressing to see what it has turned into.
NO! Everybody loved hillary until the media LIED and said that she ran her own email server.. thats why people started hating hillary O.o atleast ive seen that so much on this site my brain is starting to jump to that instead of the real reason we all hate hillary..
Why do people bring up popular vote? That's pointless you just made yourself look like a fool
The costs of securing stuff can be cheap. Virtualization, firewalling, FDE, etc. are built into all major operating systems. The problem is that security also requires processes and some conscious effort to implement. Things like tapping on a Duo app as a second factor to log onto the VPN, or looking at a key management structure, so the encryption keys for backup tapes are not either easy pickings for intruders, or so hard to get that the backup data is effectively unrecoverable. It also takes stuff like everyone adhering to a policy, from the CEO on down. And yes, this does happen. I got fired from a company because I challenged someone who was tailgating... and turned out to be a VP who felt that "badges are for plebes." With the lack of interest in security, not just from the dollar point, but actually being part of the structure to keep the bad guys out, it is no wonder why so many companies are easy targets.
There is also the issue of responsibility. If a company does get hit and actually goes under, between the golden parachutes and the fact that stockholders are not liable, the people who refused to do anything about security in a business will face none of the consequences.
... media ignoring criminal activities by a Presidential candidate... Hmmm.... What does that like? Oh, look... Another liberal crook gets a pass... How typical...
Qu'est ce que c'est ce linux?
nous on utilise des ardoises et des crais.. completement hack proof... meme les ecrans sont tactiles depuis des milliers d'années...
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I consider her one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians in a long time, based on the facts. I think you're in denial.
Whatever it is, it is something all major nations, including the US, engage in, consider legitimate, and defend.
I'm good with the whole fuck people's feelings shit. "The feels" has turned a whole generation into bumbling morons that have to contridict their self at every turn.
I know - their debt went toward social welfare programs, so at least the money went partially to the people. In contrast our debt was used to blow up sand mines in the middle east and bailing out usurers.
Ochen' kholodno, koneshno...I mean very cold, of course. Why?
Honey Pots are pretty much your only defense if MS Windows is being used. It's not an issue of whether it will be cracked, it will.
This security team used the most effective countermeasures given that the base operating system their organizaton was using is unsecurable.
Facebook is billions of individual "Skinner Boxes." And if you use it you are the pigeon!
I thought slashdot readers downgraded idiotic irrational comments like Tranzistors posted multiple times here. But given that editor here now spam for Amazon and M$, all the intelligent readers have left.
"At any rate, Le Pen lost, and lost massively."
Actually France lost, and lost massively.
Enjoy France becoming an third world hell hole, with riots every week, rampant crime rate with sky rocketing rapes, unsustainable welfare junkie explosion, increase in antisemitism, wholesale restrictions on free speech to force multicultural toleration while one community is given legal immunity to oppress women and gays according to their traditions, etc etc,
Exactly what ignorant white people deserve.
[En Marche!] didn't loose,they won in a 66% landslide
Why do people bring up popular vote?
I dunno, maybe because the French Presidential election is by popular vote?!
Too funny dude.
I'm Left wing and all but I have to say it's way better to have more people working then it is to be supporting more people through government benefits because your economy cant create near enough jobs.
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Far Right in Denmark is not the same as in the US. where it is now more than 50% far right.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I would agree except that the government's fiscal and monetary intervention which creates jobs in the short-to-mid term also destroys the economy in the long term.
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Going to make more sockpuppets to stalk & troll me with you loon https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
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Your sending me postcards with threats too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
* You're a butthurt loon freak, plain & simple... you did it to yourself, loser.
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How about proving hosts & my program that builds them are useless too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
See subject above - They're FACT & your fails made them so, lol!
(I've done all that LONG ago & you haven't done squat of note... must hurt like hell, that truth, or you wouldn't be stalking me like the loser druggie mental loon you're proven to be in YOUR OWN WORDS in those links above, lol)... apk
See subject: 1st take your meds mentalcase https://slashdot.org/comments....
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I see you're also a druggie too https://slashdot.org/comments....
Going to make more sockpuppets to stalk & troll me with you loon https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
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Your sending me postcards with threats too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
* You're a butthurt loon freak, plain & simple... you did it to yourself, loser.
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How about proving hosts & my program that builds them are useless too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
See subject above - They're FACT & your fails made them so, lol!
(I've done all that LONG ago & you haven't done squat of note... must hurt like hell, that truth, or you wouldn't be stalking me like the loser druggie mental loon you're proven to be in YOUR OWN WORDS in those links above, lol)... apk
In New Zealand the Republicans would count as extreme Right and the Democrats as Centrist :-) .
We have a loony-tunes Libertarian party called ACT which has 1 seat (of 120) in Parliament which exists solely at the discretion of the centre right (& governing) National party with a 1.07% share at the '14 election under our MMP system .
ACT would be where the Republicans sit on our political spectrum.
So, yeah, the DF would be considered far-right in our context.
BTW that 24-year rule seems a bit harsh.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
Because in some countries in the world, winning the popular vote means you actually win the fucking election...
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Did you just use "slashdot" and "moderation" in the same sentence? You MUST be new here.
Thank you for elegantly proving your own point.
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But in the USA, Where the election in question is. it is not, nor has, and probably never will be that way. SO WHY BRING IT UP?!?! some of you get dumber by the minute. seriously.
Well goodness me you must be the winner of the Slashdot "Missing the Point in the Most Asinine and Condescending Way Possible" award. You really should be careful about throwing around the "dumber by the minute" insult, given that you apparently don't realize the point of this isn't to call out the obvious reality that any kid who graduated third grade will know.
We KNOW how the EC works. We know why it exists, and we know who it empowers and disenfranchises. Those of us who have our heads outside of our asses know also know that it failed us. That isn't how Democracies are supposed to work, nor is it how any other Democracy on the planet functions.
It's one thing to have a quirky little system that gives some measure of protection to those who live in less populated states; it is quite another to disenfranchise ~3 MILLION people (approximately the population our FIVE smallest states put together) and give power to the candidate who lost the election by ~2.2% of the total votes. It's one thing to protect the minority; it's quite another to give them the equivalent of five new states worth of voting power.
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And just so we're clear on the answer to your question of "why bring it up"? --
Because "bringing it up" is how we turn "wrong" into "right" in this country. "Shutting it down" or, in your case, "ridiculing the majority who have been disenfranchised just because you personally like the result of said disenfranchisement" is what a child does, not a citizen.
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You would be right, If we lived in a democracy. Which we dont. We live in a Democratic Republic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Come on even the Washington Post knows this. And they are literally the worst site to get information from. They do however back track a year later to align with their agenda. but heres some others.
http://www.realdemocracy.com/d...
http://www.thisnation.com/ques...
I hope this is enough to inform you.
.. You bringing the argument that this site has had numerous senseless debates about will not help. If you truly have an issue and want to change it. Do it where it matters. Which is not here.
It helps me. For all you know, it helps others with something they hadn't c0nsidered as well when they get presented with this same question. There's a saying that nobody ever changed their mind I an internet debate, which is often untrue. Minds get changed all the time -- but minds change in slow motion, and it's almost never admitted to at the time it happens.
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Show me some data on that because I couldnt disagree more.
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