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Hackers Came, But the French Were Prepared (nytimes.com)
Adam Nossiter, David E. Sanger, and Nicole Perlroth, reporting for the New York Times: Everyone saw the hackers coming. The National Security Agency in Washington picked up the signs. So did Emmanuel Macron's bare-bones technology team. And mindful of what happened in the American presidential campaign, the team created dozens of false email accounts, complete with phony documents, to confuse the attackers (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). The Russians, for their part, were rushed and a bit sloppy, leaving a trail of evidence that was not enough to prove for certain they were working for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin but which strongly suggested they were part of his broader "information warfare" campaign. The story told by American officials, cyberexperts and Mr. Macron's own campaign aides of how a hacking attack intended to disrupt the most consequential election in France in decades ended up a dud was a useful reminder that as effective as cyberattacks can be in disabling Iranian nuclear plants, or Ukrainian power grids, they are no silver bullet. The kind of information warfare favored by Russia can be defeated by early warning and rapid exposure.
Show some real proof. Can't blame everything on Russia forever.
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning. And for what? It's not like Congress is likely to impeach him and remove him any time soon, although if he keeps pulling stunts like Comey, he may hasten his own end.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up, and do you blame them? NATO so thoroughly outstraps them militarily and economically (for chrissake, Italy has a larger GDP than Russia) that cyberwarfare is the one area where they have a relatively level playing field, so of course they're going to use it.
The big problem was the Macron dump seems to have been ludicrously rushed. You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France. I mean, seriously, do you think the Macron campaign was actually making that kind of plan? Or maybe you do, the gullibility of the Alt-Right never ceases to astound me.
At any rate, Le Pen lost, and lost massively.
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Why should they be any different?
Or a Trump supporter. Sorry. That's redundant.
Oh look, the "if you don't agree with me you're a racist!" argument. You realize that's why Trump won in the first place?
It's great that between two traditional corrupted shits (not to mention Lepen), the French elected a "3rd party" centrist president.
That's what we need in the US but failed to accomplish when having to choose between Clinton and Trump. I guess the alternative parties were pretty crappy, though. That's where we need to work, building a centrist party especially since the democrats have vacated this position in favor of identity politics.
Who is to say the US NSA did not execute this "attack" leaving a digital footprint implicating Russia? The NSA stated unequivocally this year or last that they have the capability to leave false digital footprints/fingerprints of many countries including Russia. My money is on the US NSA in terms of the document dump from the Macron presidential campaign in France.
The problem with hacking is that a lot of companies have the "security has no ROI" attitude. Last year, when I interviewed at one place (and definitely didn't take the offer), the CxO gave me the song and dance about "only person that profits from a lock is the lock maker", and when I asked what they would do in case of a breach, the response was, "we will call Accenture and let their world class professionals fix it."
With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector. The problem is that until there is an actual reason, and something that makes top brass actually value security, it won't happen. The -only- thing that has worked is PCI-DSS, because ignoring that hits businesses squarely in the pocketbook.
Can you even read? Try that again. The article is comprehensive given some technical knowledge of the terms used. Like what e-mail is, how Microsoft office records user account meta-data in files for change management, etc.
Linux. Prepared or not, we'd all be safer using it. Gamers and IT...go ahead and say something. I know you want to.
The title cut me off. The last word should be "use."
Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
They were embarrassed to hell and back by having their dirty laundry aired. Let's JUST talk email scandals:
* Hillary decides to keep a ridiculously ill-advised private email server, then destroys evidence when she is ordered to turn it over (at her convenience). And there was STILL incriminating crap in there.
* DKIM-validated DNC emails are released that prove that the national party was actively working to sabotage Bernie Sanders, the candidate with the clear enthusiasm advantage.
* Thousands of emails (including MANY work related ones that the FBI hadn't seen from Clinton's self-disclosed list from her personal server), including classified information, are discovered to be on Anthony Weiner's (pervert & pedophile) laptop thanks to automated Blackberry backups.
You'll never hear the end of Democrats trying to distract from why they bled out from their self-inflicted foot-bullet wounds.
Don't go counting your rubles too quickly Ivan, that's some pretty shitty work there. Boss is sending you back for QA training.
...Russian hacking of the DNC and feeding it to Assange.
Admissible evidence?
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Thought so....
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
You also have to be a "real 'tard" to deny that the French, Americans, Germans and Chinese are "a bunch of hacking thieves", because they all hack and they all use the information they can get their hands on to their own advantage.
Had nothing to do with the government threatening French media that covered it with charges. Freedom can be messy.
What does it say that the IT team had enough resources to generate honeypots but couldn't actually... SECURE the emails and just assumed they were going to get hacked anyway?
I guess it shows competence. Lately the question is not “if you get hacked?”, but “what do you do when hacked?”. The risk of any compromising leak is that it could contain fabrications that seem kind of legit. This problem is exacerbated when the leak happens just days before the election, since that is enough time to find dirt and write sensational articles, but not enough time to verify the truthfulness.
The security team correctly identified the threats and used effective countermeasures.
Well jeeze! After Waterloo the French should be prepared...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Which explains the varied outcomes of the two most recent elections.
"White supremacist"? That's pretty funny considering the democrat party had nothing to offer this election cycle but old white people. But how is anything GP said relate to that accusation? You're just pigeonholing now. Besides, I seem to recall Obama mocking Romney over his concern of the Russians and all the democrats laughed and laughed, oh what a good chuckle they had over that. Turns out Romney had a point, but now the Dems have taken the ball and run right out of the stadium with it.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
No the argument is correct - your hyperbolic understanding (which is probably the only way you see it) is wrong.
White people without a racist bone in their body were being called racist if they even thought about voting for Trump BY the Hillary campaign.
That's not an endearing argument for those on the fence.
What was the point of the argument? Were TEH LIBERALS NOT going to vote for Trump because Hillary said they were TEH RACIST?! No, the argument was to try to pick up the white vote through intimidation.
Meanwhile they attacked Trump for being a horn dog while ignoring that Hillary's husband was impeached for the exact same thing but when a Clinton does it it's ok.
The "conspiracy theorist" label is usually applied to people who have no evidence for their beliefs.
In this case, the cyber defense arm of the US government warned the French of Russian attacks based on the information they had.
You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth. Regardless of where you live, you are part of the reason your city, state, and country have problems.
What this tell us is that Macron's cybersecurity team was less incompetent than Hillary's. Good for the French to have elected someone who understands technology a bit better than Hillary. Other than that, I don't see what relevance this has to the US election or Hillary's poor performance.
I knew those cheese eating surrender monkeys were to to no good. This is nothing short of UnAmerican. Why, as an American I won't stand for it. I need to sit awhile to catch breath anyway...
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awesome, now there is a french military victory.
That article just oozes propaganda: it's the Russians, again, and everything they got was fake anyway. Trust us! We are way too smart to get hacked!
The Russia has stated its interest in swinging French elections quite overtly and there is quite enough evidence to believe that Russian state is behind these activities (from signatures of the attacks to the metadata in the leaks). It's like you are trying to invoke Godwin's law during WWII. Besides, they didn't say they were too smart to get hacked, nor that they didn't get hacked. Just that they hacked and leaked made-up material.
Wow, straight of the playbook of 20th century European fascists.
Yeah, the argument is getting old. Would you guys on the left stop the name calling?
No, I'm not racist because I didn't agree with Obama. No, I'm not a Nazi because I don't think Trump is literally Hitler. No, I'm not a misogynist because I feel that sometimes white guys get a raw deal with being blamed for everything.
Clinton was affected because she was a crook
More like people believed that she was a crook and just putting out e-mail leaks triggered “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”. Can you remind me what was in the leaked e-mails, that showed Hillary was a crook?
You are going to have a fun four years.
Funny thing is, I read in the dutch press that the hackers and the dissemination of the texs were financed by far-right american groups...
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I actually don't give a shit that the Russians are (definitely, incontrovertibly, sorry, absolutely fucking certainly) hacking elections. Putin is a thug who is desperate to appear heterosexual so he's penetrating everything he can; it's pretty predictable. (Bareback riding? Really?)
I care that the government of the USA (a gathering of the worst, most unqualified, corrupt, luckily incompetent opportunists in history) isn't that bothered about the impact on its institutions, and that the President of the United States is only concerned with his personal brand. From where I sit on the other side of the Atlantic, this is the beginning of a terrible trend for a particularly authoritarian branch of brazen corruption that I worry will spread like wildfire.
Do I think the government of Russia is the enemy? Yes, fuck yes. The Russian people? Nope.
CAPTCHA: backbone. What you'd need to have to face the facts.
I hope at least Europeans wake up and realize that the greatest danger is not Russia, but our supposed allies over at the stupid side of the Atlantic.
We do believe that USA has become a less reliant ally, but Canada is still cool, so it's the mixed side of the Atlantic. As for the greatest danger, since the invasion of Georgia, former Soviet countries got the message pretty quickly and the invasion of Ukraine finally waked up the most naive. Besides Russia, the only other concerns we have here is potential implosion of USA and nuclear war with North Korea. Even ISIS is barely remembered.
That is, unless the documents are blatantly obviously false. You seem to be assuming that it wasn't obvious to the majority of French voters. You seem to have failed at a basic conceptualization of cause and effect.
Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
Congratulations!!! You have won the whataboutism prize! You can now buy stuff made by slave kids, since the USA had slavery!
* Hillary decides to keep a ridiculously ill-advised private email server, then destroys evidence when she is ordered to turn it over (at her convenience). And there was STILL incriminating crap in there.
Ill-advised, but also common practice. Note that she wasn't prosecuted for this because they'd have to prosecute half of Washington with her.
* DKIM-validated DNC emails are released that prove that the national party was actively working to sabotage Bernie Sanders, the candidate with the clear enthusiasm advantage.
Also common practice. Nobody expected this was NOT happening on BOTH sides during EVERY election in modern times.
* Thousands of emails...
12 emails dude. There were only 12 motherfucking emails. Comey just got fired over this gross distortion of facts. Do try to keep up.
No they won't. They never were. That's an absolute 100% lie. Clinton didn't even call All Trump supporters racists, despite the fact she would have been 100% within her rights given Trump was running a blatantly racist campaign, and people who were supporting him were supporting that.
The claim people keep making is that they voted for Trump because they were told Trump supporters were racist by Democrats. That logic doesn't, and never will, hold up because it's stupid: if you weren't already a Trump supporter, you wouldn't have been insulted by that comment. If you were, you were going to vote for Trump anyway.
Bill Clinton was impeached for "lying under oath", a dubious charge, because he referred to a consensual sexual act as not sex because he believed it legally didn't count as sex. He was not impeached for groping women, he was not impeached for entering the changing rooms of 14 year old models, he wasn't impeached for talking about how sexually attracted he was to his daughter, or any other of the specific and backed up allegations made against Trump.
And the most important part: Bill is not Hillary. Bill Clinton could run "Clinton University" and rip off thousands of poor people, he could have bankrupted numerous suppliers by just not paying them, he could have used Mob labor to build his buildings, he could have a fake charity he stole money from, he could have avoided paying any taxes while living a lavish lifestyle, and he could have, yes, groped and ogled and all the other things Trump is accused of, and it still wouldn't have meant anything negative about Hillary Clinton.
All you can do, six months after that election, is continue making up the most absurd drivel about Clinton and Democrats, rather than address the fact you elected a monster. Think about that, then change course.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Congratulations! You get the participation prize on whataboutism! You can now shoot black people without repercussion, since George Zimmerman was acquitted!
They didn't need to change their vote to Trump, just not vote. That alone does serious damage to the democratic camp. I know I will never vote for someone who plays this game because they are every bit as toxic as Trump is.
The problem is that the phrase "hacked the election" is being bandied about because most interested parties aren't actually intelligent or educated enough to comprehend that social networking itself, as a paradigm, was an entry vector through which public perception was hacked. No actual computers were hacked, though some espionage occurred.
If wrapping one's head around this seemingly absurd notion that in a networked system, the people are actually the weakest links is a task that the bulk of our populace simply can't grasp, how do you expect them to come to terms with the fact that it was they themselves who were, in fact, "hacked."
I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism. Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
Either that or he isn't a fascist because the FBI director wasn't closing in on anything and there wasn't a hack of the election.
This a tech site (or it used to be). What was the f**king hack? Eh? Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
And, by the way, it seems more likely that wikileaks was the result of an actual leak as opposed to a dum dum duuuum "a hack".
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Meanwhile they attacked Trump for being a horn dog while ignoring that Hillary's husband was impeached for the exact same thing but when a Clinton does it it's ok.
Bill wasn't running.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
It was a bit of social engineering, which is one of the primary methods used by hackers, but I wouldn't call it a hack, per se. But it's seen as a hack by the unwashed masses, and sounds much better to partisans than "Podesta is an idiot."
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Macron is a good man and hacks revealing what he was doing had no impact on his standing. Hillary hacked emails had nothing surprising in them except they confirmed our intuitive perception of her as a person and a politician was correct.
Macron wants to serve. Hillary wanted to rule.
Cool buzzwords bro
People think they're real. I've seen them reposted a number of times by family members I love too much to unfollow, but otherwise worry me with their beliefs.
From TFA:
That seems a rather hasty and flimsy conclusion. If I were a hacker wanting to cover my tracks, and I noticed the media seems to be hell-bent on wanting to pin blame for everything on Russian hackers, I would:
I'm not saying the Russians aren't hacking other countries. I'm fairly certain they are. Just like the U.S. is, just like UK is, just like China is, just like France is, etc. I'm just pointing out the purported "evidence" here suffers from the conspiracy theory flaw of requiring the People Behind It All to simultaneously be extraordinarily competent (to hack into secure systems) and incompetent (to not know Word leaves editing fingerprints).
If you wonder why this attack was linked to Russia, here's what the article says (caps mine):
"Other documents had last been modified by Russian usernames, including one person that researchers identified as a 32-year-old employee of Eureka CJSC, based in Moscow, a Russian technology company"
That is, the whole accusation is based on the fact that an attacker used the same username ("IvanPetrov"?) as someone working for a Russian goverment contractor. Of course, the username itself is not released. Slashdot, spare us from this propaganda drivel please.
Well, the generation of high quality site mimics to which to direct phishing logins *sorta* gets there...
Someone had to do it.
The truth is a little more subtle. Podesta asked his his aids about the phishing email, who told him that it was legit.
I don't believe the claim from the "tech advisor" that in his reply, "illegitimate" was the intended wording, because of the use of "a" instead of "an" and the other text in the reply.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
The emails were released at a time when it was illegal for the french press to publicize them so, inarguably, the leaks could do very little damage.
You got it slightly wrong. It was at a time when the candidates were forbidden to talk to the press, and when no new polls were to be published, because the political campaigning had to be ceased.
It's still totally legal to publish news even about the campaigners at the time. So it was an ideal time as neither candidate would have been able to publish a press release about the contains of the e-mails.
You have to be a real 'tard to think it matters.
Hillary didn't lose because Russia. The Russians didn't make Hillary take the rust belt for granted. Hillary wasn't operating an illegal mail system to hide her actively from the Russians. The Russians didn't make Hillary's staff destroy government documents during an investigation. The Russians didn't make Hillary sick. The Russians had nothing to do with wrapping the US around the transgender bathroom axle for a year. The Russians didn't coin "irredeemable deplorables" and alienate millions of the Democrats traditional working class base. The Russians didn't tell lies about the slaughter of US ambassadors. The Russians had nothing to do with the DNC fucking over Bernie Sanders and obviating many of his supporters. The Russians weren't responsible for shit polling or naive candidates making bad decisions based on it. The Russians had nothing to do with Huma and her perv husbands antics. The Russians did not pay Hillary for her speeches to the banker establishment or tell her to withhold the transcripts. None of the small constellation of women Bill Clinton made famous with his cock were Russians. Nothing the Russians ever said in support of TPP was attributed to Hillary; those were her own words, and the Russians weren't the reason no one believed Hillary when she flip-flopped on it.
But yeah, "Russia did it we was robbed!111."
Keep believing it. The more deluded you are the better.
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I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism.
What was the point of the ShanghaiBill's comment? Right now the only thing I see is an attempt to deflect the conversation form what Russia did.
Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
Latvia is hardly special. Any feature we have is had by our neighbours, which would be Lithuania, Estonia, Russia and Belarus. I'm just sick and tired of the propaganda of the imperial Russia (before that imperial USSR, and before then again imperial Russia).
It's not like the US tried to influence the previous French elections, or France tried to influence Russian elections. No, they are way too nice for that.
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Whenever I see someone making that joke, I know there is someone who doesn't think about his jokes and just repeats what he had heard from someone else.
Come on people - get real (russkies aren't THAT stupid)... apk
They don't need to be stupid, just sloppy. Also, it seems like your understanding of covering tracks stems entirely from “I'll create GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP”.
Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Oh, please, you are exactly on message for leftists, progressives, and European intellectuals. And I don't take "offense" at it, I just point out what a bunch of lunatics you are.
I'm sorry but you missed the point. I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
They don't suddenly become unacceptable because Hillary couldn't emotionally deal with her election defeat and created the "Russia cost me the election" meme.
LOL you must not be French to write something like this :)
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
Despite the vault 7 leaks the few companies that own the US media (hello Dice you pile of schmucks) persist in pushing the narrative that Russia "hacked" the US election.
you forgot about a few more who are pushing that narrative: odni, cia, nsa, fbi, dia, and any other us intelligence agency you care to name. but, somehow you know better, and your standards of proof are higher. and the reason for believing your own narrative, and denying their narrative: it's getting old.
got any other gems of wisdom for us? ufos? bigfoot? flat earth?
I would have given you the participation prize for wataboutism, but you show a clear lack of commitment. It's as if you are not even trying. To do a proper wataboutism, you can't just say “oh yeah, well, you did it as well”. You have to give a more precise reference, like “oh yeah, what about the U.S. kidnapping of the Chilean Army Commander-in-Chief General René Schneider?”. Right now I can't find any material of French interventions.
I do hope you find this feedback useful and good luck on your next attempt.
I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
Depends on your moral compass. For example, Kant considered lying a grave breach of ethical behaviour. Just look at the Nazi propaganda against Jews which gave justification to the crimes against humanity. As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, all three of those are umbrella terms that range from “ethically dubious” to “outright criminal”. What I mean is that your assertions are not valid until you clarify what you mean exactly.
Also, these kinds of activities have an interesting history. I'm sure you'll find the page interesting.
This troll trifecta actually warrants real attention.
I expect to have a good time. I admit it's a little unorthodox to make a giant vat of hot buttery popcorn to companion rolling up one's sleeves (chopsticks to the rescue), but ritual does have its rewards.
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Bill Clinton is forever marked by his distancing language "that woman". Opening a composition with the word "what" is definitely heading down 'that' road. The reader is still trying to resolve the anaphor, while you slide into the equation a joint attribution "the US and Israel". Nicely done.
From Sound Reporting by J. Kern: "You may have heard TV anchors hyping a story by holding back the subject—teasing the viewer for a few seconds to try to generate curiosity ... whatever effectiveness this device may have once had has surely been worn away by decades of overuse." Except—he should have added—on certain hyperbolic forums of talk radio, where the pre-handshake "what" is artfully stretched from minutes into hours. This construction has now become the ultimate penny dog-whistle.
And the jurisdiction that can jointly prosecute America and Israel, your identified protagonists, is what, exactly? RMS pretty much thinks the BSD license is a crime. Humanity has been trying to cram morality into an undersized tuxedo since the invention of stone tablets. (They all suspected the chisel later recovered from the top of the mountain belonged to Moses, but he didn't fit the glove—phlogiston hadn't even been invented yet, so it's no wonder they didn't fully grasp accelerated desiccation above the timber line.) "Crime" is one of the most metaphorical words in all of human language, which you've artfully embedded in predicate logic Speedo trunks: "was a".
Our parse now looks like this:
[talk radio distancing-language tease]
[offhand perpetrator lasso]
[predicate-logic Speedo trunks]
[Howl's Moving Castle morality metaphor]
You've really packed a lot in there. Kudos.
The strategic target wasn't a company, it was an operation. The micro-target wasn't a company, either. It was certain pieces of industrial control machinery. Moreover, the "company" wasn't feeling the pain of this, unless they indemnified their customer against retaliatory actions of nation states (seems unlikely, based on contracts I've read).
And that makes this different, how exactly?
Echo, echo, echo.
They who? Veiled agents of Zion? Cybersecurity Seal Team Six operating under full democratic oversight? Cybersecurity ST6 operating in thrall to veiled agents of Zion?
Charles Atlas only had to shoulder the world. "Heh," says Charles. "What?" you say. "You should have seen the other guy," says Charles, at great expense of breath he can hardly afford.
I suspect he means the poor tortoise shouldering the entire meta-physical universe of all possible counterfactual outcomes, but I'm too polite to ask.
Anyone else in the news using the word "leak" lately? I haven't read the uranium hexafluoride SDS (formerly MSDS). Have you?
Here's how America stores this dangerous chemical: What does a depleted uranium hexafluoride cylinder look like?
This is not even inside a secure facility designed with accident mitigation in mind.
A high bar indeed, that applies to
The Russians had nothing to do with wrapping the US around the transgender bathroom axle for a year.
You're correct. That would be the fruits of 30 years of effort on the part of feminism paying off and making you think that people who are transgendered are guys who want to rape women in the bathroom.
So...
Why then do so many guys get so upset when I need to take a piss and head into the men's room?
I spent the first 20 years of my life as a guy, so I think I know the correct etiquette in the men's room. This is not a problem my actions are causing. This is a problem that is caused because I just simply fucking look like a woman.
Yeah, dude looks like a lady. And I don't mean just long hair. I mean cleavage. I mean my face. I mean body language.
It's no longer about how feminists intimidated and threatened me in college. I refuse to feel bad any more when I make a man uncomfortable when I'm in the men's room.
YOU CAN GO TO HELL WHEN I AM USING THE BATHROOM YOU YOURSELVES DEMAND I USE.
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Or who you gonna love by your lover
Sayin' love put me wise to her love in disguise
She had the body of a Venus, Lord imagine my surprise.
Would be nice to know the name of the company you interviewed at that is run by such morons. If I use any of their services, I'd definitely like to know so I can start looking for alternatives.
I took you as an American so apologies for that. Latvians have more reason to concern themselves about Russia than most, I guess.
I think the point is just general irony when imperialists get all huffy at an imperialist doing imperialist things - I don't see that as whataboutery, especially since the original comment didn't really add anything either. Some of us are just as sick of our own countries shit as anyone else's (although I can't actually speak for ShanghaiBill).
It's still a conspiracy theory. It is so not because it didn't happen but because it's moot. Voters already have a pretty good idea of which way they lean well before an election. While I can't be quite so sure of this for France, I can certainly be sure of it in the US where the parties in question had a long established history.
Having everyone's opinions on display also doesn't hurt.
Losers need this hacking narrative to explain their failures. Not that it's ultimately productive.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Social engineering? That's the job of the political parties.
If they are being outdone by 3rd party spoilers, then they need to close up shop and go home.
Who needs "social engineering" when deplorables have hated Hillary for decades? This is the real problem that remains completely unacknowledged by liberals.
Now you're just trying to "out idiot" each other. It's embarrassing.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Whatever works.
But for the record, I agree that characterising Trump as the second coming of Mussolini is just showing ignorance of the many ways that democracy has been hacked over the years. He is probably closer to the second coming of Berlusconi.
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As a chronic cancer patient, the liberal agenda is the LAST thing I want. The last thing I want is the private market turned into something like Medicaid, Medicare, or the VA.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
> Why then do so many guys get so upset when I need to take a piss and head into the men's room?
You can't pass? If you can't go into the ladies room without inspiring a lot of screaming, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your life choices.
The fact that you don't give a f*ck if you frighten old ladies is not really anything redeeming.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Trump won for one single reason. He played the game like he actually understood the rules. He focused on likely swing states that Hillary ignored (and even denigrated).
The stupid Cheeto actually knew what he was doing.
Also, Clinton is as much of an amateur in a contested election as Trump is. In general the Democrats drank too much of their own Kool-aid and the ensuing arrogance prevented them from doing what really needed done.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Just wanted to congratulate you on your efforts to educate the Slashdot world on whataboutism (though you should be more careful with your spelling). I hope to see you back sometime in the future when someone invokes Colin Powell in a discussion of Hillary's email server, or when someone blames Bush for an Obama policy failure.
And the French government now as well.
But yeah, everyone should be cognizant that it's fairly easy to pretend you're someone else while online. And the CIA tool leaks shows that they've specifically made tools to do so.
"White supremacist"? ... I seem to recall Obama mocking Romney over his concern of the Russians and all the democrats laughed ...
As a Democrat, I didn't laugh when Obama used that line to hit Romney, I knew and told people that was wrong. But I did also recognize that it was a political white-glove-face-slap, in response to Romney's - which was accusing Obama of being soft on Russia. That wasn't true either, Obama did his best to work both with and against the US's geopolitical foe, just like every other president, including our present one (granted, I have a lot of questions about his financial interests and effectiveness).
The other issue brought up was race. When one candidate intentionally chooses to represent racism (temporarily refusing to condemn a known leader of the KKK), then I have to question everyone that votes for that candidate. I'm not saying you're so racist that you secretly own slaves, but you're racist enough to vote for a candidate that represents racism.
I'm sure some will answer with, "But that didn't make him racist! Nobody knew who David Duke was, right?" That's willful ignorance. If you round up every American billionaire over 50, I would bet money that 100% of them knew that David Duke was a racist politician, and most of them knew more details than that. Combined with Trump's obvious media savy, it's obvious he knew how that would look, that it would fire up so many people with racist feelings. And it looks like it actually worked.
With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector.
There are a couple issues I have with this statement, not because of anything you said, but what is left unsaid. First .. breaches occur so often that most of them aren't even worth reporting. It is like reporting on the number of bugs I killed driving past the flower fields. Meh, nobody cares.
Second issue is even more frightening, the number of breaches still won't outweigh the actual costs of those breaches. The prevention of a possibility cost more than the probability * cost of a breach, which makes securing a breach unlikely. In the eventuality of a breach the "Accenture" route is better choice, because you can probably pawn it off on insurance.
The ONLY way to make it cost effective, is lower the cost of securing your stuff, or making breaches more costly artificially (fines, fixes, etc). The problem with the latter is all of that goes away with a Bankruptcy. And even then, the market will eventually sort it all out, include the costs in evaluations and keep working.
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There's been an increase of purvey men in womens restrooms you say? Let's see some data on that because I'm willing to bet you just pulled that out of your backside
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As ~20% of the seats in the Danish Parliament held by the far-right group 'Dansk Folkeparti', I would hardly say your part of the world is without issues.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
You're confusing ethics with politics.
So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
No, they are well-defined terms with well-defined meaning. Go look them up. Oh, and by the way, none of them amount to "lying".
Well, yours is obviously busted.
Yeah, but Mike Pence as Prez? He is technically a sane right wing nut job. Here in the RoW we just need more popcorn.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
A bigger part is actually voter apathy. There's nothing worse than being the candidate in the lead - that immediately turns off a big chunk of voters who would vote for you. Simply because they think you're going to win anyways, they simply turn off and don't vote - you're going to win, what's their vote going to do?
Hell, some politicians have real grace - one who lost by a narrow margin (of around 200 votes) met with a bunch of voters after the election who told her "I thought you were going to win, that's why I didn't vote". I say grace because it takes real self-control to be told that and not smack the person in the head.
And face it, Hillary was always in the lead - no one would believe Trump would actually be president. So if Hillary's going to win, why should I bother to vote, because ooh shiny new thing! is more important. Trump had long odds that probably made everyone who would've voted democrat be complacent. And everyone's got better things to do on voting day than to actually vote.
Forcing people to get off their ass is about the only thing I support about mandatory voting. But personally, I don't believe in it, and I believe society is worse off if we're forced to vote than have the option of voting.
Probably not. Mussolini was the darling of the US intellectual and progressive elite in the 1930's. It was only with the war with Germany and the genocide that fascism nominally (though not ideologically) fell out of favor with US elites. These days, Sanders and Clinton are a lot closer to Mussolini than Trump.
Doesn't sound like Trump to me: Forza Italia was a centre-right party, formed mainly by ex-Christian Democrats, ex-Liberals and ex-Socialists. The ideology of the party ranged from libertarianism to social democracy (often referred to as "liberal socialism" in Italy), including elements of the Catholic social teaching and the social market economy.
How exactly does one "hack" an election? I can't speak for France, but the US had\s hundreds and hundreds of voting precincts using hundreds of different combinations of systems for counting votes and for tallying and reporting. How exactly does somebody perfectly "hack" a near unlimited number of different systems at the same time? What methods would be used and how is it done
I expected better from slashdot users.
All I keep hearing is people SAYING russians "hacked" the elections but no actual evidence (or motive) beyond some people said so. The whore media and scumbag "public servants" and their followers just repeat the same shit over and over again until people start to believe it.
I'm always angry. All the time.
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Hillary was not prosecuted because she was being protected by the AG.
As came out in the hearing she did commit illegal actions however she was so stupid and was not "sophisticated enough" to understand basic classification rules so they did not think they could get a conviction.
It was not common practice, who else was mailing classified information to a private email and was using one that was not authorized?
I want to see actual bonafide evidence. The intelligence communities are rotten to the core and only a fool would take their words at face value.
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1) a close friend Clintons, Gilbert Chagoury, who had given them between $1 million to $5 million. Heâ(TM)s also pledged $1 billion to the Clinton Global Initiative. Chagoury was convicted in 2000 in Switzerland for money laundering. He cut a deal and agreed to repay $66 million to the Nigerian government. There is email showing her instructing USA Ambassador to give him preferred treatment and help.
2) Transmitting classified email.
3) As was mentioned in the hearing she had committed illegal actives however she was so stupid and was not "sophisticated enough" to understand basic classification rules so they did not think they could get a conviction.
Not, but it explains why the US Treasury and Federal Reserve have incurred trillions of debt to maintain the appearance of a healthy economy.
You are, however, an enabler for these people that Trump represents and stands for. Let alone the man himself.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
Right, foreign hackers miss their target, but french banking establishment managed to get its candidate elected. This is foreign operation beaten by local influence.
What I mean by that is that Berlusconi was a rich man whose political beliefs didn't fit perfectly into a major party (and won because of disaffection with mainstream politics) and ran the country to indulge and enrich himself.
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I wish someone living in Antarctica were on this thread...
No they didn't, the entire story is a propaganda piece to distract us from the fact that anyone and his dog can hack your Windows computer.
.. was a useful reminder that as effective as cyberattacks can be in disabling Iranian nuclear plants, or Ukrainian power grids, they are no silver bullet."
"The story told by American officials, cyberexperts
Do you have to repeat this cyber bullshit on this technology site?
What did they show as proof that Russian hackers were involved? If ever there was a good target for a false attack, it was the French election. RF openly (as in without hiding or backchannels) lent money to Le Pen's campaign. So if anyone wanted to throw shade on Russia to make them seem nefarious, planting evidence of Russian hacking of Macron's campaign would be an obvious move. What's the definitive evidence that it was RF? And if France has it, can they, for f's sake give it to the FBI? I am tired of "it's an ongoing investigation". When it comes to electronic evidence, sorting through logs doesn't take 6 months to a year. Let's ask this question: would they investigate this long to figure out who stole a nuke if the only evidence they had was electronic, but they claimed that it was definitive? If they can prove anything, they should. If they can't, well, I guess our NATO ally can help us prove it now? Seriously.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Just a heads up, France has a shit ton of debt.
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The establishment wasn't prepared, they're just making more hay to feed their precious narrative.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
What are the political leanings of the judges, and how easily can they be bribed/intimidated by the establishment?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning.
The only thing you and yours have is a narrative of Russia this, Russia that, and Russia killed your puppy.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up
Allegations coming from the establishment left. They would rather see countries like France burn as long as they can keep empty suits in office.
If anyone's messed with the elections, it's the establishment scared shitless that they'd have an actual leader.
You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France
Look for yourself in France. At this rate, the only thing saving France from Eurabia would be a second D-Day from the civilized world - so that they can remove the current Vichy government.
I mean, seriously, do you think the Macron campaign was actually making that kind of plan?
At the very minimum, he sure isn't going to stop the invasion. He enjoys a level of protection that most French - including those duped into voting for him - will never enjoy, a fully armed guard.
Le Pen won more than she did last time. Perhaps you should take King Emmanuel's advice about the election.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
"not enough to prove for certain they were working for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin" So we have no evidence but we want to blame Russia anyway because we do not like them.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Given that no evidence is supplied in the story it is still a conspiracy theory. Given the long history of lies in order to create conflict it would be extremely stupid to accept what the US government says on face value.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
So, what is that evidence?
Motivation; ability; ...
That something being the name of an employee of Evrika, a known Kremlin defense contractor.
Now while it's undeniably a possibility that the metadata was planted as part of a 'false-flag' operation, that theory itself lacks both corroborating evidence and plausible motivation (though other actors certainly have the means). Even at the risk of being wrong, reason requires we apply Occam's razor.
Yes, and then there's the public testimony from US intelligence services:
Testifying in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee in Washington on Tuesday, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, said American intelligence agencies had seen the attack unfolding, telling their French counterparts, “Look, we’re watching the Russians. --TFA
Look I know what you mean, it's just so damn annoying that the CIA, NSA, DGSE etc, don't run all their classified material past my desk. Don't the know who the HELL I AM?! ... scarily they probably do. :/
Seriously though ... while we're not, and are never likely to be, at the beyond reasonable doubt standard, on the balance of probabilities the publicly available evidence points towards Russian involvement. And that is hardly surprising: the Kremlin explicitly favoured Le Pen and we cannot but expect Russia to deploy its capability in favour of Russian national interest.
You can bank on the fact that in any election anywhere in the world where the Kremlin feels it has an interest in the outcome, Russian aligned hackers and (so called) troll-armies (i.e. social media influencers) will be at work in an attempt to influence the outcome (however marginal that influence may be).
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
Repeating “crooked Hillary” ad nauseam is not publishing truth. Nether is wildly inaccurate interpretation of facts. That uranium scandal is a pretty good illustration of misinterpretation.
As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, propaganda is usually understood as misleading information (some would say, that is a form of lying). I sure hope you read the “active measures” page to get some insights of what espionage entails, which does contain a lot of deception. As for derogatory information, if what comes out of RT and Sputnik is any indication, that material is a delirium, for a lack of a better word. In Latvian it is best described as “slima zirga murgi”.
So we have no evidence ...
"not enough to prove for certain" != no evidence
We blame the Russians because they did it.
I mean come on, don't play the fool just to score a point here! You know it was the Russians, yeah? Surely you knew they were going to do this before it happened, just as you know they are going to go big guns after Merkel in the upcoming German elections ... you're not really as wide-eyed as you make out, are you?
You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth.
Presumably you are aware of the irony of that exact statement?
That article just oozes propaganda: it's the Russians, again, and everything they got was fake anyway. Trust us! We are way too smart to get hacked!
Well, I don't quite read it that way. first of all, not long agou we were all expected to believe that all attempts at hacking stuff in the US originated in China, just on the say-so of somebody more or less unspecified individual, and because it was China, people on /. were happy to take that as proof. So why not believe it about Russia? Just saying; and it doesn't seem implausible that the Russian government would be involved in this sort of thing. After all, we have good reasons to believe that the American government has programmes along those same lines, as will most other governments in the world, if they have technology. Another aspect of this, I suspect, is that the Russian government isn't simply a monolithic block, united in evil and malice. There are different factions, and whether it is Putin's faction or somebody else that is ultimately behind these activities is perhaps uncertain.
Oh, we've got much harder far-right wingers trying to get into Parliament.
And now I've just made myself sad :-(
Eat the rich.
As ~20% of the seats in the Danish Parliament held by the far-right group 'Dansk Folkeparti', I would hardly say your part of the world is without issues.
to be fair, compared to the US right wing, those Dansk Folkeparti are not really "far right"
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
its ok, they never think about population.. i guarantee our pool of intelligent people outnumber any one European countrys population. goes to show they cant actually be smarter as they cant even do simple math.
the morons that now occupy slashdot have NO idea about technology. have you read one of the few articles lately that are about actual tech, or hacking for that much? the few of us that know what were doing spend the whole time correcting what i feel are sometimes downright lies about how computers and the internet work. for someone who has been coming to slashdot for tech news since i was a kid. its depressing to see what it has turned into.
NO! Everybody loved hillary until the media LIED and said that she ran her own email server.. thats why people started hating hillary O.o atleast ive seen that so much on this site my brain is starting to jump to that instead of the real reason we all hate hillary..
Why do people bring up popular vote? That's pointless you just made yourself look like a fool
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I consider her one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians in a long time, based on the facts. I think you're in denial.
Whatever it is, it is something all major nations, including the US, engage in, consider legitimate, and defend.
I'm good with the whole fuck people's feelings shit. "The feels" has turned a whole generation into bumbling morons that have to contridict their self at every turn.
I know - their debt went toward social welfare programs, so at least the money went partially to the people. In contrast our debt was used to blow up sand mines in the middle east and bailing out usurers.
Man that stream of consciousness was entertaining. I want some of what you are smoking. Which pharmacy do you use?
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Honey Pots are pretty much your only defense if MS Windows is being used. It's not an issue of whether it will be cracked, it will.
This security team used the most effective countermeasures given that the base operating system their organizaton was using is unsecurable.
Facebook is billions of individual "Skinner Boxes." And if you use it you are the pigeon!
My opinion is that people didn't vote because they felt nauseous. On the one hand, you have a crotch grabbing immigrant hating media whore and on the other you have an experienced, but incompetent and possibly criminal candidate that cannot seem to defend themselves or fight back.
Who do you vote for? The one who you hate? Or the one you cannot trust?
... and then you stay home because you just don't feel informed.
I'm Left wing and all but I have to say it's way better to have more people working then it is to be supporting more people through government benefits because your economy cant create near enough jobs.
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Far Right in Denmark is not the same as in the US. where it is now more than 50% far right.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I would agree except that the government's fiscal and monetary intervention which creates jobs in the short-to-mid term also destroys the economy in the long term.
In New Zealand the Republicans would count as extreme Right and the Democrats as Centrist :-) .
We have a loony-tunes Libertarian party called ACT which has 1 seat (of 120) in Parliament which exists solely at the discretion of the centre right (& governing) National party with a 1.07% share at the '14 election under our MMP system .
ACT would be where the Republicans sit on our political spectrum.
So, yeah, the DF would be considered far-right in our context.
BTW that 24-year rule seems a bit harsh.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
Because in some countries in the world, winning the popular vote means you actually win the fucking election...
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Did you just use "slashdot" and "moderation" in the same sentence? You MUST be new here.
Thank you for elegantly proving your own point.
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But in the USA, Where the election in question is. it is not, nor has, and probably never will be that way. SO WHY BRING IT UP?!?! some of you get dumber by the minute. seriously.
Well goodness me you must be the winner of the Slashdot "Missing the Point in the Most Asinine and Condescending Way Possible" award. You really should be careful about throwing around the "dumber by the minute" insult, given that you apparently don't realize the point of this isn't to call out the obvious reality that any kid who graduated third grade will know.
We KNOW how the EC works. We know why it exists, and we know who it empowers and disenfranchises. Those of us who have our heads outside of our asses know also know that it failed us. That isn't how Democracies are supposed to work, nor is it how any other Democracy on the planet functions.
It's one thing to have a quirky little system that gives some measure of protection to those who live in less populated states; it is quite another to disenfranchise ~3 MILLION people (approximately the population our FIVE smallest states put together) and give power to the candidate who lost the election by ~2.2% of the total votes. It's one thing to protect the minority; it's quite another to give them the equivalent of five new states worth of voting power.
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And just so we're clear on the answer to your question of "why bring it up"? --
Because "bringing it up" is how we turn "wrong" into "right" in this country. "Shutting it down" or, in your case, "ridiculing the majority who have been disenfranchised just because you personally like the result of said disenfranchisement" is what a child does, not a citizen.
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It did fire up certain people. They ran around making baseless accusations about Trump being racist because he didn't hand down condemnation quickly enough.
Then, people like me had another reason to not want to be associated with people like you, so we voted third party or abstained.
The point you missed (one of many I'm sure): I didn't accuse Trump of being racist. I'm not sure if/how racist he is, but from what I know about him, he did play the card to pick up the votes, knowing that the backlash would be outweighed by the benefit. Hence, "he intentionally represented racism".
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Try to not get defensive. Think about it. You're the problem.
You would be right, If we lived in a democracy. Which we dont. We live in a Democratic Republic.
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Come on even the Washington Post knows this. And they are literally the worst site to get information from. They do however back track a year later to align with their agenda. but heres some others.
http://www.realdemocracy.com/d...
http://www.thisnation.com/ques...
I hope this is enough to inform you.
.. You bringing the argument that this site has had numerous senseless debates about will not help. If you truly have an issue and want to change it. Do it where it matters. Which is not here.
It helps me. For all you know, it helps others with something they hadn't c0nsidered as well when they get presented with this same question. There's a saying that nobody ever changed their mind I an internet debate, which is often untrue. Minds get changed all the time -- but minds change in slow motion, and it's almost never admitted to at the time it happens.
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Show me some data on that because I couldnt disagree more.
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