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Our Obsession With Trailers Is Making Movies Worse (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares an article: Our increasing obsession with trailers is changing how we watch movies. We're becoming audiences afraid of surprise, audiences that would rather watch movies we're certain we'll like than risk watching films that surprise us into love. In some cases, this fixation is even lowering the quality of movies themselves by encouraging bad filmmaking habits. The most extreme example happened when Warner Bros released such a successful trailer for 'Suicide Squad' it brought on the company that cut it to edit the whole film -- dropping the director's original cut altogether. [...] Thanks to trailers' easy accessibility on YouTube and those shot-by-shot breakdowns that quickly appear online once trailers drop, anyone interested in a given flick can pore over all the available footage for hours -- even if that leads to major spoilers for them and everyone they share it with.

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  1. If only... by Bodhammer · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only there were tornados that attacked these trailers...

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    1. Re:If only... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 2

      No, shark tornados.

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    2. Re:If only... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Hurricanadoes

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    3. Re:If only... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Category 7 Hurricanadoes

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    4. Re:If only... by quetzyg · · Score: 1

      Typhurricanadoes

    5. Re:If only... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      It isn't the trailer. It's the C-note you spend on popcorn and tickets that has turned a night out at the movies into a significant investment with little hope of it being worth it.

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    6. Re:If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article is full of shit.

      There are two types of people, those who don't care about the trailers ahead of the movie, and those who obsess over every detail in advance and then scream and cry about "spoilers."
      It's in the studios' interests to push trailers to try and attract the interest of the first crowd, and to satisfy the insatiable lust for every scrap of information seen in the second type. They don't care about "spoiling" the movie because the only people who actually care about it being spoiled, are going to go watch it anyhow, probably two or three times (even if they hate it), and then watch it on TV/Cable/Netflix and buy a shitload of merchandise while they're buying a DVD/Blu-Ray or digital copy.

  2. Why should we be different to studios? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A studio is afraid to try something new because a movie costs millions, often hundreds of millions, to make. So they are afraid to try something out of the ordinary and instead rehash the same stuff that once managed to get people into the cinemas, we get reboot after reboot, relaunch after relaunch.

    And going to see a movie costs between 10 and 20 bucks a person. So we're afraid to try something that we don't know anything about, fearing that we're going to waste 20 bucks on something we are not going to enjoy.

    It's a matter of money. People don't want to waste it on something that's not going to perform the way they would like it to.

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    1. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely.

      And also, that which makes the most money is that which appeals best to the broadest market (meaning, the lowest common denominator).

      Super intellectual movies that have real depth, and challenge us to think in new ways....are desired only by a tiny fragment of the market.

      This isn't a problem to be solved. It's just economics.

    2. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Big explosions and tits.

      Come to think of it, why not simply name a movie that way? No trailer needed.

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    3. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's got to be at least one porn flick with that exact title already, I would think.

    4. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds more like the working title of a Michael Bay movie.

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    5. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just another way of saying "produced by Michael Bay"

    6. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Phusion · · Score: 1

      Transformers: Exploding Tits Apocalypse

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    7. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      As a counterpoint, though, super intellectual movies tend to have less special effects, CGI, etc. which runs up the costs. Sure, they might be spending a fair chunk of change on actors who can actually do that sort of work, but overall those films generally cost less money to produce, as opposed to a CGI fest like the Power Rangers movie (which has bombed).

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    8. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it's about time. I experience the same phenomenon even when I'm not paying 10 - 20 bucks / ticket. I often look up trailers and reviews for movie options on Netflix before putting one on because I don't want to risk spending 1 1/2 - 3 hours of my time on a movie that I may end up thinking was a waste of my time.

      This only expands on your point. Movies cost resources to produce, and they cost resources to watch. It is logical for people to want to spend their resources efficiently. Why is this news?

    9. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      That title is probably good for a few sequels.

    10. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explosions AND tits. Not exploding tits. Jesus, that's an image that's going to stick with me.

    11. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by computational+super · · Score: 2

      Super intellectual movies that have real depth, and challenge us to think in new ways

      You misspelled "boring"

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    12. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Big explosions and tits.

      Come to think of it, why not simply name a movie that way? No trailer needed.

      And that will put us one step closer to the movie "Ass" being made and winning 8 Oscars. Sadly, instead of 500 years, it'll probably be in less than 50 years.

    13. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by computational+super · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's exactly what I'm looking for, but because of whiny social-justice crusaders like you they never get made.

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    14. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      "Big explosions and tits."

      I'd rather see big tits and explosions ... IF you know what I mean.

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    15. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I definitely do not want to see the movie that combines these titles. I mean, the resulting movie could be about a suicide bomber donkey, but I wouldn't want to chance it.

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    16. Re: Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's going by a code name right now: Bad Boys 3

    17. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I can go one step farther.

      Goatscx the reaming.

      Because for everything that exists there are people who would pay millions to watch that movie

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    18. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Probably, but I bet the explosions aren't the kind popularized by Michael Bay films.

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    19. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by drew_kime · · Score: 2

      And that will put us one step closer to the movie "Ass" being made and winning 8 Oscars. Sadly, instead of 500 years, it'll probably be in less than 50 years.

      In case no one else mentions it, I got you fam.

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    20. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pornhub is that way -->

    21. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      You misspelled "boring"

      Ah, yes, the Michael Bay approach to filmaking. God forbid that the audience should go five minute without an explosion.

    22. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The #1 movie in America was called "Ass." And that's all it was for 90 minutes. It won eight Oscars that year, including best screenplay.

    23. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      What gets me is a movie bombs if it makes less than twice what it cost to produce. Also you have. A bomb today but over say the next year with video and on demand sales that movie will make plenty of profit. It just isn't making it in the first month so it is shit. To be fair I watched power rangers movie in a hotel room (at inflated cost). I am glad I was tired and just needed to zone out at the 2.5 hour movie seemed like it only took about 40 minutes but I was pretty tired by that point.

      On the plus side it was the prefect movie to zone out and watch without paying attention to it probably made it seem better than sitting in a theater seat to watch would have.

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    24. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      They already did. Except instead of explosions, it was a campy horror movie with carnivorous fish... but you know, the title said it all.

    25. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What gets me is a movie bombs if it makes less than twice what it cost to produce.

      That's because the cost of promotion is usually equal to the cost of production. And then distribution costs are on top of that. So if a movie only makes back double the production costs, the studios are effectively paying the theaters, DVD/Blu-Ray production companies, streaming services, premium networks, etc. to show the movie. It's not until everyone else gets their cut that the studios make a profit* on the movie.

      * On paper, no movie makes a profit, but that's just to avoid having to pay people who are due a share of the profits.

    26. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If it wins best sound I'm SO out of here!

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    27. Re: Why should we be different to studios? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3

      Or a car being flipped. Jesus, I cringe every time I see cars flipping in front of some kind of energy release (bomb, earthquake, alien laser beam, whatever).

      The only thing more trite than flipping cars is a "YA" movie where pampered suburban American teens somehow save the universe against impossible odds, then manage to find "true love" in the final 17 minutes while some anonymous female vocalist sings some unrecognizable song with lyrics that *almost* sound like gaussian-blurred random English.

    28. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And going to see a movie costs between 10 and 20 bucks a person. So we're afraid to try something that we don't know anything about, fearing that we're going to waste 20 bucks on something we are not going to enjoy.

      Sure, but I don't bother with trailers. Takes too long to watch, don't really say much about the movie, may spoil some key points.

      Seriously - read the reviews by other moviegoers - or pro critics. Usually no spoilers, and let me know if this is something I want to watch. And 1/100 of the time you need to watch a trailer.

    29. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      I try to avoid watching trailers. Usually the best action scenes, and all the plot twists are shown in the trailer. I usually try to look at a brief synopsis, and look at user rating (not the reviews themselves) on IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes. Even better is when someone else picks out a movie.

      As far as the cost, if I want to go to the theater, I'll go Tuesdays when tickets are $6 rather than the full price $12.

    30. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      A studio is afraid to try something new because a movie costs millions, often hundreds of millions, to make.

      No it doesn't. There's no reason for any movie to cost that. It is assumed that any movie will pull in that kind of profit, so the producers are given that kind of money to compete against all the other high prices movies. Most of that money goes to bidding for top name actors, just like a sports team will bid for top athletes. Some of the best movies were made on a shoe string.

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    31. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When we get to part "XXL" I'll throw in the towel...

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    32. Re:Why should we be different to studios? by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Which is what makes Economics (Capitalist) a problem to be solved

  3. I avoid trailers, if possible by Quirkz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They tend to give away too much, or, in a bad movie, show the only things worth watching. If I'm going to get suckered in to see it, I might as well save those five good jokes.

    It really helped when I cut cable, because I barely see any these days, other than previews before other movies.

    1. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      same. i dont like to see trailers, especially on movies i am looking forward to.

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    2. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by avandesande · · Score: 1

      It's more fun watching negative reviews (like redletter media) than to actually watch the movie.

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    3. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I intentionally skip trailers for movies I know I'll go see because they give everything away.

      Oh, the John Connor from the future is a Terminator. Well, now I don't need to spend $17 on a ticket.

    4. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      One of the last Star Trek reboot movies apparently decided that they didn't give a damn about their big villain reveal, and just spelled it all out on the back of the Blu-Ray box. I hadn't watched any trailers (may have been equally spoilerific, I don't know), and fortunately didn't read the back of the box, or I'd have been rather peeved. Did they assume that the only people who had seen the movie or knew about it would buy the Blu-ray? Apparently so.

      A lot of movie trailers are just as bad about showing really blatant spoilers. Even if unintentional, I often tend to remember trailer scenes when replayed in the movie, which can be a bit distracting if you're mentally anticipating it.

      I certainly understand the marketing dilemma in creating effective trailers, but I just no longer trust them to be spoiler free anymore, and as such, try to avoid them. Like with you, cutting cable helped a lot. I guess it's sort of like online advertising in a way. It got bad enough that I just said "enough", and blocked it all.

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    5. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The box art for "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" is almost as bad as you can see the Winter Soldier character unmasked in the distant background, something that doesn't happen until over 2/3 of the way through the film. However they at least don't spoil the identity of the even bigger villain that he is working for in that film.

    6. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by netsavior · · Score: 1

      it's worse than that. In the trailers everyone was like "OH ITS KHAN!" and JJ Abrams played coy in interviews and press saying "No it isn't Khan" there was a lot of drama about it and he even apologized for treating fans like idiots. http://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abr...

    7. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, it's more common these days to release content in the trailer, that will NOT be in the movie itself.

      So plot lines which might be suggested in the trailer, won't exist in the movie. At best they're side-plots, and topics or characters which may exist in the directors cut, but they again only hint at a larger narrative that we won't actually get to see in the theater. I'm not sure many others notice this, but I certainly do, when in the event I do see the trailer, go to the movie, and notice content that isn't there. Maybe I'm an outlier...

      So yea. Best to avoid trailers at this point. I'd rather be surprised during the hour and a half, than for 2 minutes of teaser.

    8. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree, avoid trailers altogether. Only after I watch the film will I search out Honest Trailers on YouTube to see if they have posted another great video.

    9. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Dude... spoiler!

      Okay, I guess it's past its statute of limitations for plot secrets, especially those which probably everyone but me knew about. Yay for never reading entertainment news.

      Also: Rosebud was his sled.

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    10. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I do really enjoy Cinema Sins' "Everything Wrong With X" clips on YouTube. It's like watching a whole movie in 15 minutes, while also making fun of it.

    11. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude... spoiler!

      Then I shouldn't mention that Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan was about.. Khan?

    12. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      There was a period where i would get excited about a movie and consume every trailer i could, and then frequently be disappointed by the movie itself.

      At some point i decided to no longer go out of my way to see trailers. If i'm exposed to a trailer by someone else (i.e. commercials, before another movie, etc) i will watch it if i have no idea what the movie is. But if it's movie i know i'll probably want to see i close my eyes or look away. I won't go so far as to cover up my ears, but if i'm intentionally not paying attention and have no visual cues to make associations with i find i don't remember many details from the audio.

      When a movie i'm potentially interested comes out i'll take a look at the aggregate reviews. If it's a movie i'm unsure of and the reviews are mostly negative i'll give it a pass unless i hear something positive from one or more friends. If it's a movie i've already committed myself to go see for some reason i will go anyways but be prepared for disappointment.

      And if the movie has mostly good reviews i'll try to locate one or two negative but spoiler-free reviews that i can read so that when i go see it i'll still be prepared for disappointment.

      Personally i have found that going into movies knowing as little as possible about the details but generally expecting disappointment (or at least knowing the kinds of things i should expect to be disappointed by) has generally improved my enjoyment of movies overall. I'm excited and surprised by the good bits and if there are any bad bits i'm generally able to say to myself "well yeah, i was already expecting that, so no big deal."

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    13. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      Oh, the John Connor from the future is a Terminator. Well, now I don't need to spend $17 on a ticket.

      It's amazing how much I can relate to your comment. There was a 10 year period where I decided that owning a television was a waste of time. Terminator 2 was released during that period, so it was a really cool surprise to discover that Arnold was the good guy while watching the movie for the first time. Granted, it was a much different time, and plot twists were not required as they are now either, especially in a action movie. So it was even more unexpected.

    14. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I could have stabbed whoever cut the trailer for Terminator Genesis in the face. They managed to spoil the only twist in the entire movie.

    15. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all makes sense now! :/

    16. Re: I avoid trailers, if possible by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Like the trailer for National Lampoon's (2016) Vacation. If you've seen all the trailers, there's *literally* no reason to bother with the actual movie... everything *funny* is in the trailer. The rest of the movie is just padding that adds nothing new to what you've already seen dozens of times in the trailer.

      Don't get me wrong... I *loved* its trailers... but the actual movie just seemed totally anticlimactic.

    17. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie itself was the worst case of treating fans like idiots. It was offensively stupid, and tried to milk all the beats of "The Wrath of Khan" without any of the elements that made that movie good.

    18. Re:I avoid trailers, if possible by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      I generally take the view that if they can't be bothered to make the trailer not have spoilers, the movie itself probably isn't worth seeing either. I don't count things that are misleading either by looking like spoilers or are spoilers but will send you in the wrong direction here--I mean that if I pretty much get everything but the end of the movie in the trailer, then I figure the movie itself is mostly padding.

  4. My theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am convinced that the 1993 hollywood writers strike never actually ended.

  5. The best trailer ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need more trailers like the Deadpool Australia Day trailer...

  6. I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would you since they so often contain spoilers? What kind of idiot wants to ruin a movie just to find out something a little earlier?

    1. Re: I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People too stupid to follow movies don't mind the spoilers since they don't ruin anything.

    2. Re: I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Only stupid people want to ruin a movie and stupidly waste their money on expensive tickets. I've noticed that on the South fewer people cover their ears and/or eyes during trailers. Those people are stupid.

    3. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take your average movie. Say, anything Michael Bay did lately.

      Now spoiler it in any meaningful way. I dare you.

      Nearly all mass appeal movies of today are so formulaic and predictable that "spoiler" doesn't really describe the problem. The problem is more that it's "seen one, seen 'em all".

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    4. Re: I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love assigned seating so I can wait until the movie ruinners are done. Too many people are so stupid that they let Hollywood ruin movies for them. I enjoy movies so I avoid trailers.

    5. Re: I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. If you are stupid trailers don't destroy movies, but if you are not stupid then they ruin them.

    6. Re: I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This and so stupid they're all republicans and make everything about politics.

    7. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      On one of my TV shows, I saw the preview for the following week, and I gave out a spoiler: "They are going to do something really stupid". The response: "Cro, they do something stupid every week! That's no spoiler".

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    8. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      If a movie can be "spoiled" just by knowing a little bit about the plot, then its not a good movie to begin with.

    9. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      In Transformers 2, Bumblebee rapes Shia LeBeaf. First in his robot form, then as a new Camaro SS. Full penetration for 15 minutes.

      The trailers hide this. Most people won't talk about it and instead choose to forget it happen.

    10. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      The same reason I watch "let's play" videos of games that seem interesting on Steam before I buy them. If I'm going to drop money of any significance I want to make sure I'm better off than throwing it into a trash can. While I personally don't bother with the theaters and just do Netflix--principally for the reason just mentioned--I can easily see them wanting to make sure the $20+/person they're about to drop as a compelling reason to screen the movie aforehand.

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    11. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Really?

      Hmm... think I should watch the movie finally. Only to see just how horribly exploitative it is, of course.

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    12. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Most people are not as emotionally brittle as you, and can handle seeing a trailer.

    13. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to your theory, Citizen Kane is not a good movie.

    14. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Spoilers don't ruin stories : https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      In this study, they made people read classical short stories. Some had an added introduction revealing the plot. They then asked participants to rate how much they enjoyed it. In all cases except one, the "spoiler" group consistently enjoyed it more than the control group, and the remaining case is a close call.
      Out of the 12 tested short stories, 4 are of the mystery genre and 4 other are ironic-twist stories, i.e. the kind where you most likely don't want to get spoiled.

    15. Re:I don't know of anyone that watches them by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      A good example of both genres--mysteries and ironic-twists--is one where you do enjoy rereading it despite the ending, because the endings will have been forshadowed properly. You'll not be trying to solve the mystery or be surprised by the twist again, you'll be looking for the things that give away the criminal beforehand, or made the ironic twist feel like it isn't just a sudden alien space bat swooping down from above but rather actually very appropriate.

  7. Don't Blame Me. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Informative

    >Our increasing obsession with trailers is changing how we watch movies.

    Your obsession. I don't have an obsession with trailers. They barely register on my personal radar of things I'm aware of and they certainly aren't something I care about.

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    1. Re:Don't Blame Me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obsessing over not obsessing enough to write a message about it just shows you do, in the other direction. Yes?

    2. Re:Don't Blame Me. by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I agree, its been years since I watched one. I imagine its a tiny subset of the movie viewers who do more than file a movie under "looks neat" vs "zzz" from trailers.

    3. Re:Don't Blame Me. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      You are over thinking it.

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  8. NOPE! by ichthus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're not the ones making the trailers, and we're not the ones making the crappy movies. Not our fault.

    We're fine with suspense and surprise. And, I'm pretty sure we're just fine with... *read slowly* GOOOD MOOOOVIES. So, make them good.

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    1. Re:NOPE! by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      We're not the ones making the trailers, and we're not the ones making the crappy movies. Not our fault.

      Yep. That's right. Besides, if you watch "Kung Fu Trailers Of Fury", which I do recommend if you're into that kind of thing, on the commentary track, Asian cinema expert Ric Meyers talks about how many of the trailers completely give away the plot of the movies they promote and are little more than highly condensed 2 to 3 minute versions of the films. Keep in mind that these particular trailers were from the 1970s and very early 1980s and were made in Hong Kong. So it's not like nobody anywhere in the past has ever been accused of making trailers that give away plot and this is only a brand new thing.

  9. Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by LiquidMind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The trailer showed Neo stopping bullets with his mind. In the trailer.

    That was supposed to be the shock and awe moment that tied it all together.

    There should be a new category.... Spoiler Trailer.

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  10. I've always want a discount by Revek · · Score: 1

    for watching the commercials that they play before the movie starts. I think the movie would be way better if we didn't see baby groot pick the wrong button before running off with the nuke.

  11. The worse part of a trailer... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes the trailer is better than the movie.

    1. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the trailer is better than the movie.

      I'm not sure if "King Arthur: Legend of the Sword" proves or disproves your theory.

      The trailer was pretty confusing and then you get King Arthur: Legend of the Sword is bad in ways I didn’t realize movies could be bad

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    2. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually most of the time. Which makes a lot of sense. You get to see the interesting parts of the movie in the trailer so you are excited about it and want to see it.

      Unfortunately, and this is why the trailers become spoilers more and more, the interesting parts are also the parts that resolve issues. Movies, especially today, follow a certain logic, a pattern. In the penultimate act, the resolution happens. And this resolution is of course also the culmination, the climax of the whole show. Here, everything happens. And of course this is also the most action-loaded and fastest paced part of the movie.

      Prime trailer material.

      No! It is not! The perfect trailer material is the act preceding it. The one where the conflict looks like it is heading for a negative resolution, where the villain triumphs. The infamous "night is darkest before the dawn" moment of the movie. THAT is where you have to take the trailer from. It leaves the audience wondering how the hero will turn it around and makes them interested in seeing the resolution.

      Remember the cheesy 60s Batman series? The cliffhanger was always them being trapped by the villain-of-the-week. Say what you want about that show, but this was done right!

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    3. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thoroughly enjoyed that movie. It's 100% a rehash of those 80's sword and sorcerer flicks. Evil wizard, magic sword, giant snakes, dungeons, and caves full of monsters.

    4. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The movie Dangerous Kelly hit the nail on the head with this one. A sleezy hollywood producer finds out about Shakespeare and other public domain works and uses the dialog word for word in his movies. He doesn't have to pay writers or royalties!

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    5. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by computational+super · · Score: 1

      Almost always, actually.

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    6. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by judoguy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      My oldest son is a trailer editor in Hollywood. It drives him crazy when the studios force him to promote the movies in certain ways. They'll often take his work and combine it with other trailer houses work to produce frankentrailers.

      What I hear is that most, if not all, trailer editors are serious film geeks and would love to be able to do good work but the client always wins.

      Here is a version of a trailer my son made on his own time and showed the client just to try and do something he could be proud of. The client loved it but then the client's marketing department made him tone it way back. It's not what he first wanted, but it's still pretty fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    7. Re:The worse part of a trailer... by DerekLyons · · Score: 0

      If that's what your son did on his own, it's very understandable why the combine his work with others or tone it down. It's end-to-end derivative and lame.

  12. Please refocus the blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blaming trailers for bad movies is like blaming a fart for a bad meal.

    If a studio decided to recut an entire, finished movie based on one trailer, that says far more about the studio than it ever could about the trailer.

    1. Re:Please refocus the blame by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      And since Suicide Squad was such a box office flop... oh, wait a second...

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  13. Movies are too expensive. by DatbeDank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When something costs me a lot of money, my expectations start to increase. When a movie costs $13+ for a single ticket, I expect that movie to be mind blowingly awesome. When it undoubtedly falls flat on its face for not living up to its $13 value to me, I feel ripped off and stop going to see movies that I don't feel were worth the $13 to me.

    If movies cost, 6,7, or even 8 dollars, my expectations will be more reasonable and thus my enjoyment of the movie increases because i'm not asking myself, "Was this worth it?"

    1. Re:Movies are too expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I'm content to go to second-run theaters. The ones in my area have their regular price at $5. I'm a lot less likely to think I'd been had.

    2. Re:Movies are too expensive. by Ramze · · Score: 1

      If movies were $5 like they were when I was younger, I'd probably go see more movies. Many people probably would. There'd be less risk involved in paying to see a movie you don't like, and it'd also be a decent value for being entertained for a couple hours on a weekend.

      There's a point in risk vs reward that's a proper sweet spot, and unfortunately theaters and studios are missing that mark where I live. Movie ticket prices are adjusted for local costs of living, but only slightly. There's a big difference between Southern California's $100K / year lower-middle-class salary and South Carolina's $30K/year lower-middle-class salary... yet the ticket prices here aren't less than 1/3 of what they are in So Cal. Realistically, they should be 1/4 to 1/5 of So Cal pricing because disposable income is a different number than total income. Taking into account expenses and taxes, people here just aren't interested in throwing away money on a movie when they could instead order a nice dinner for the same price and watch something on Netflix or Amazon for which they're already paying less than a single movie ticket price per month.

    3. Re:Movies are too expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are no second run theaters in my area, you insensitive clod!

  14. We Have That TRUMP Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that is plenty!

    You. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

  15. How long until there are only trailers? by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My 12 year old son will, at times, sit down in front of the Apple TV and watch nothing but trailers for an hour.

    I'm wondering if the culprit isn't the short attention span syndrome, immediate gratification and the regular consumption of very short form videos on YouTube and the like.

    1. Re:How long until there are only trailers? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm wondering if the culprit isn't the short att

      Ugh, TL:DR pls.

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    2. Re:How long until there are only trailers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife has started doing this. She watches the trailer channel on television. Up until I saw her watching it, I didn't even know such a thing existed, and now that I've seen her watching it, I can't imagine why it does. A channel showing nothing but a continuous stream of trailers?

    3. Re:How long until there are only trailers? by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      My 12 year old son will, at times, sit down in front of the Apple TV and watch nothing but trailers for an hour. I'm wondering if the culprit isn't the short attention span syndrome, immediate gratification and the regular consumption of very short form videos on YouTube and the like.

      Yeah, and I know someone who reads HAIKU!!! How ridiculous. Why can't they read proper full-length poems like the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner? Also, the Hugo and Nebula awards should eliminate their "short story" categories and only reward real full-length novels.

      Seriously, "culprit" is too loaded a word. Maybe your son has picked the smarter option?

    4. Re:How long until there are only trailers? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      The 140 character mark is here:

      I'm wondering if the culprit isn't the short attention span syndrome, immediate gratification and the regular consumption of very short for

      Sounds like you have the next great unicorn idea. Twitter with an even lower character limit! Do you have VC funding yet?

    5. Re:How long until there are only trailers? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Max Headroom style blipverts, adapted to movies. Brilliant!

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  16. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

    The recent "prologue trailer" for Alien Covenant is worse. Look away now if you haven't seen the film and don't want spoilers.

    It literally has nothing to do with the film - I have no idea what actually happened, but Noomi Rapace (Elizabeth Shaw from Prometheus) basically doesn't appear in the full film, all her scenes are in the "prologue trailer", and the film itself goes off in a totally different direction. The "prologue trailer" hypes you up for the coming story and then ... nothing. That story isnt told. They tell a different story.

    There is basically a film missing between Prometheus and Covenant.

  17. Movie Astroturfing is Getting Painful by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

    While there may be some truth that we prefer to know the movie genre ahead of time (begetting genres themselves), the idea that we're afraid of being pleasantly surprised is asinine. We almost never are, that is the problem. Absolutely no effort is made to hook us in with a genre, and deliver us with more than we expect, at best we get a marketing checklist of included sequences. It makes a bit of sense then that audiences will at least decide which spreadsheet they wish to be party to, verify their assumption via trailer, and then commit $20+ to see the thing. $20 will get you substantially more hours of (and usually better) entertainment for the dollar than a movie theater, you have to be convinced that at least you won't hate it.

    Or, we stream it on something for $5, or get it via Netflix DVD or Redbox and toss it back when the nausea subsides.

    The movie industry is failing itself, blaming millions of people for not appreciating it isn't good thinking. I personally think the movie industry would do way better with a $10M budget cap and some creativity, rather than $150M explosionfests and absolutely no creativity at all.

  18. Spoilers aren't a big deal. by WDot · · Score: 2

    In many (but not all) movies, spoilers aren't a huge deal. Are we really surprised that Captain America beats the bad guy at the end? Seeing two seconds of the final fight in the trailer doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy watching the entire movie. You could make the argument that the issue is that modern movies are shallow or dumb. Maybe, but I think this also applies to classic movies. Citizen Kane's "Rosebud" has been so endlessly parodied that someone sitting down to watch Citizen Kane for the first time is not going to be surprised at that revelation. They'll still enjoy a finely crafted story. Except for mystery stories, I don't think surprise is a primary factor in enjoying most movies.

    1. Re:Spoilers aren't a big deal. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's the Colombo effect: Of course we know that Captain America is going to win in the end, the question is how it's done. If we see him cornered in the trailer and then we see how he gets out of the trap, that takes away the suspense.

      At the very least, that last part should be omitted.

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    2. Re:Spoilers aren't a big deal. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "spoilers aren't a huge deal"

      Spoiler Justice Warriors, on the other hand, who claim that every "and" and "the" are spoilers, are insufferable.

  19. Japanese trailers by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like American film trailers are becoming more like Japanese film trailers. The trailers are often cut to tell much of the plot, and since there's more of a focus on the interests of Japanese women (as opposed to the obsession with American teen boys) they tend to add more emotion to the trailer itself. This is maybe most stark in the trailers for animated films which have a long history in Japan as adult fare, but are still often relegated to the animation ghetto in the USA.

    Compare these two trailers for Inside Out. The American version focuses on slackstick humor, while the Japanese trailer kicks you right in the feels and isn't afraid to spoil the plot.

    Also, the Trailers Always Spoil trope from TV Tropes is always a good read on this.

    1. Re:Japanese trailers by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen the movie. But, to be honest the Japanese one made me more interested in seeing the film.

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    2. Re:Japanese trailers by computational+super · · Score: 0

      interests of Japanese women

      I, too, am interested in Japanese women.

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    3. Re:Japanese trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm certainly more interested in japanese women than in american teen boys...

    4. Re:Japanese trailers by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Ah, this is the example I was really hoping to find: The Incredibles US trailer focuses on comedy, slapstick, and action while the trailer for "Mister Incredible" features much more of his family and a focus on Parr's attempt to balance home life, reintegration with society, and suppression of his old life.

  20. Hollywood makes movie worse? by svendsen · · Score: 1

    Hollywood aims to the lowest common group whom by sheer volume can generate the most profits.People who pay to see movies is whom Hollywood aims too. Blame those people who will pay to see Fast and Furious 345 or another marvel movie,

  21. Garbage by sqorbit · · Score: 2

    You sure it's not the garbage story lines that Hollywood keeps repeating that are making movies worse? How many times are they going to rewrite superhero story lines or the same boring "boy meets girl who he isn't really supposed to be in love with" plot line

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    1. Re:Garbage by acroyear · · Score: 2

      Indeed. or pre-writing the 'trilogy' to fit the star wars original trilogy pattern, the Campbell Story (episode one) embedded within the larger Campbell Story (the whole trilogy), then...throw it all away and reboot so you can do it again to a new generation. Sam Raimi's Spiderman set certainly fits this bill, but there are others.

      Trouble is, as soon as you step away from the stereotypes and tropes and get 'original'...something falls short and then everybody's hunting around for what caused it to jump the shark (not that anybody uses that phrase anymore). There's actually some really good ideas tucked inside Pirates 2, 3, and 4...but because it doesn't directly fit a pattern we know, they're harder to grasp...so instead we're grasping for why the films aren't as good as that first one.

      Hollywood is in a bind there - the *discerning* audience wants something different and new and not retreads...but the discerning audience doesn't pay as much (and is MUCH more vocally critical when things still aren't right even if they can't explain why).

      So they decide to tell us, the discerning audience, to f' off, and they'll take the money instead from the rest of the rubes.

      On the bright side, sci-fantasy genre TV has gotten a lot better in the last few years.

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    2. Re:Garbage by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      They'll stop making those kinds of movies when those kinds of movies stop making money.

    3. Re:Garbage by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It could be worse. They could all be Hallmark movies.

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    4. Re:Garbage by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      ... or the same boring "boy meets girl who he isn't really supposed to be in love with" plot line

      I know, right? Frigging William Shakespeare.

    5. Re:Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure that one has been around since the ancient greeks.

  22. "Our" obsession? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by hundreds of hostile Indian warriors.

    Lone Ranger: Well Tonto, it looks like we're finally doomed.

    Tonto: Who is we, white man?

    Methinks the cnet movie blogger is obsessed with trailers and maybe a good chunk of the teenage male action movie viewers, but that's about it.

  23. Trailers: bleh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find that I enjoy movies more when I don't see the trailer first.

  24. what obsession? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see people obsessively complaining about them... but that's about it *shrug*

  25. Risk vs Reward by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    If I'm going to go to the theatre I want a good experience for what I'm gonna pay: time, travel, snacks, tickets... it all adds up and really there haven't been many films that were actually good vs marketed as good (again beauty/eye/beholder whatever you decide for yourself)

    So what is a trailer then? Advertising to show you the film at its best or to pique your curiosity enough that you'll at least consider it, but since Everything is Bad(tm) all I see is:
    - Every good joke in a comedy film
    - 'SPLOSIONS DUDE
    - Jump scares
    - Esoteric dialog that gives the impression of depth

    I'm dead to it

    Everything at this point now is word of mouth (which has always been the superior way of deciding anyway) but of course this system requires those mouths be connected to eyes that have seen said movie...

    Ugh

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  26. Don't watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might be a US thing, but I don't watch trailers, ever. Avoid them at all costs.

    Fast forward the "what happened last episode" and stop before the "stay tuned for scenes from the next episode" ans scream in distgust at every popup on screen advert for either produced or another show.

    To me it's as if the the entire audience in the us is high on some drug not available to the rest of the world that they put up with that sh*t. And what a bunch of... the producers of the offending items mentioned above must be.

    Name and shame, it's the only way, that and a public stockade.

    We don't like you.

  27. I've avoided trailers for 30+ years by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Too many plot twists got given away. The funniest scene in the trailer isn't in the movie. I use either reviews or the subject matter to decide if I wanna see a movie or not.

    1. Re:I've avoided trailers for 30+ years by acroyear · · Score: 1

      "The funniest scene in the trailer isn't in the movie."

      This was so true with the Bill Murray / Richard Dreyfuss "What About Bob?" - the high point of the trailer was, clearly after the house blew up, Bill Murray yelling (but totally deadpan about it) "OH MY GOD your house.". We waited the entire film for that line when the explosion happened and...nothing. Totally cut. Never existed.

      It was actually more annoying and depressing than not having somebody face down a tie fighter on a balcony. more than 25 years later it STILL bugs me.

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  28. I am not obsessed with movie trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speak for yourself.

    The only point to seeing a trailer for a movie, is to tease, not to show or reveal what is happening. A lot of movie trailers end up doing that, and I don't like it.

  29. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First it was piracy. Now it's because of the trailers. When is Hollywood going to get a clue that just like McDonalds, people are fed up with eating their shit. Maybe if they stop offering shit, movies and attendance would improve. But Hollywood has been out of ideas for so long they're even running out of comic books now.

  30. I am one of them steep id peeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so srewpud pigeons beet me at tic tac toe.

    But, aside from the Sixth Sense and the Crying Game, I have never been surprised by a movies plot. Because movies are written for peeple like me - srewpud.

  31. No. Thank you for your opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are like assholes, we all have one. Care to hear mine? Thought not.

    1. Re:No. Thank you for your opinion by rpresser · · Score: 1

      Everyone's got one, they all stink and nobody wants to look at yours.

  32. Define "Our" by greygoblin · · Score: 1

    The movie goer is not the consumer of a movie trailer. It's the movie producers that pay for them, and to whom they are designed to appeal. And the use of high budget content in the trailer allows producers to squeeze more value out of that content. If your shelling out Millions for a Blockbuster, it's cheaper and easier to use prime movie content for the trailer. Movie goers dislike it and you'd think that should be enough to stop the practice, but it's not the movie producers that make the trailer. That's a subcontractor. In the subcontractor is just doing Simple cost-benefit analysis. How cheap can I bid on a project that will make the biggest splash. Because of that, they're not going to film additional content. They're going to use the content that exists and the best of it to boot. Because the producer will only buy the cheapest trailer that makes the biggest splash.

  33. There's a huge difference... by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

    There's a huge difference between saying that trailers are making movies worse and saying that trailers may give away some spoilers.

    Do trailers make movies worse? Absolutely not. Except perhaps a few rare cases like the aforementioned Suicide Squad,the movie is the movie regardless of the trailers. Obsessing over trailers leading to worse movies seems silly.

    I also find it hard to take anything in TFA seriously when it starts with:

    "I'm not going to see "Spider-Man: Homecoming" this July. You're probably thinking I'm one of those anti-Marvel snobs who calls movies "films" and refers to foreign films by their non-English titles. It's not that. It's that I basically saw the whole movie already, when I caught the trailer before watching "Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2."

    Seriously? You decided you saw the whole thing in 2 minutes? It has nothing left to offer? If this is how you view the world, your opinion is worthless to me on movies, and perhaps on any topic at all.

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  34. Absolutely agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    For me it's about time.

    I came to say the same thing, the money matters a bit but the hugest investment is time. I am so busy now that to take an afternoon or evening off is a pretty big commitment. Even if I am pretty sure I will like a movie now I'm much more inclined to watch it at home as a rental, so I can abandon it if its really bad (there is almost no movie bad enough I will do so though, I think I did that once) - but moreso to avoid the overhead that theaters involve in terms of transport and ticket purchase and waiting to get it.

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    1. Re:Absolutely agree by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the money matters a bit but the hugest investment is time.

      This why I prefer Netflix. If five minutes into a movie, it is obvious that it sucks, I can just switch to another. In the theater, that is much harder to do, especially if I am with other people.

    2. Re:Absolutely agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      In the theater, that is much harder to do, especially if I am with other people.

      I am almost at the point were I see little value in seeing movies with other people at this point. It's great to talk with others about movies but perhaps it's even nicer to do so a week later with some time and perspective?

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  35. If there is an Obsession Involved... by ytene · · Score: 1

    ... then it is with the Film Studios being obsessed over returning obscene profits from each and every film.

    This is driving the push towards re-hashing "proven" formats, plots and approaches. This is reducing the willingness of studios to be a little bit more edgy, or take a chance with some slightly different material. In fact, here's a little test for you... Think back to your favourite (and original) movies from, say, the 1990s, i.e. say roughly 15-25 years ago. Now ask yourself how many of these would actually be green-lit and made today, given what has happened with film studios.

    If, miraculously, there is anyone out there willing to actually try this, then IMDB have, very helpfully, a list of the top movies from the 1990s, which you can find here:-

    http://www.imdb.com/search/tit...

    Just perusing the top 50, there are plenty of examples of films that would be highly unlikely to be made today. The single biggest issue with modern cinema is that, for quite some time now, maximising profit has come before the provision of satisfying content. Modern cinema has become the equivalent of junk food. Forget any idea of fine dining - the concepts of subtlety or art have been conveniently swept away in favour of the all-conquering bottom line.

  36. You have more options today by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the 1970s, you either paid for a movie ticket to see a movie, or waited 3-5 years for it to show up on TV at an indeterminate time, with commercials interspersed, and with unknown editing.

    Today, if you don't pay for a ticket, you can catch it on pay per view in a couple months, or rent it on Blu-ray/DVD/streaming, or watch it on a pay movie channel, or stream it from a service you already pay for like Netflix, or wait a couple years for it to show up on TV, or pirate it.

    In the face all that new competition, the logical thing to do is to lower movie ticket prices to make the theater experience more attractive. Instead, studios and theaters have done the opposite and raised ticket prices. I don't mind seeing the occasional bad movie on Netflix or Amazon Prime, or HBO because I'm already paying for those services. The only thing I lose is 90-120 minutes of my time (and that's only if I choose not to stop watching before the movie finishes). With a theater ticket I lose my money as well as my time. So I don't think it's at all surprising that people are holding theater movies to a higher standard than in the past. The studios need adapt to how technology has changed in the last 50 years - lower ticket prices, or improve the ratio of good to bad movies.

    1. Re:You have more options today by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      In the article you link to the inflation adjusted line seems to imply that prices have barely changed since the 1970s. Also, this may seem stupid, but I recall paying around $10 for a cinema ticket in the early 2000s, I'm surprised to see that article imply it was less than $5 around that time - actually, not surprised, I just don't believe it.

      Also to what extent does the different prices for 3D/non-3D factor into this? 3D movies are sold at a premium, the 2D version being charged the same as other 2D movies. Given 3D is entirely optional, does it matter if average ticket prices were raised but only because lots of people decided to buy 3D tickets?

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    2. Re:You have more options today by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Back in the 1970s, you either paid for a movie ticket to see a movie, or waited

      Back in the 1970s, the normal news cycle didn't carry news of how much money a movie made on its opening weekend. Now, news of the top-5 money-making movies is all-important, both for studios to brag about and to persuade gullible people that the movie is worth watching. Drop the price of tickets and that number goes down, and guys in suits get twitchy. It's weird, but true, because you can't objectively measure whether a movie is good or bad, certainly not when it's released, but you can measure how much money it brings in. Jacking up ticket prices helps to inflate those numbers, and may also help a stinker break even.

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    3. Re:You have more options today by Altrag · · Score: 2

      There's a whole confluence of things going on here:
      - Sure, the price may track well with some vague metric of inflation, but wages have not, so as a wage ratio the price to an individual is still higher. Add onto that that we've got a bunch of other costs (cell phone, internet, Netflix) that many or even most of us didn't have two decades ago, and even $20 can getting stretched a bit thin if you're in the lower end of the middle class or below -- which is a large portion of the population.

      - Large, really good TVs are cheap. Cheap enough that even many below the poverty line have one. Even a full "home theater" (ie: hook up a decent sound system to your TV) is reasonable these days. Why bother with lines and crowds and overpriced popcorn when you can get basically the same experience at home with a couple of friends?

      - Movies have become more of a commodity than a luxury at this point. 20 years ago if you wanted to watch a movie you either a) went to a theater or b) rented a VHS tape to play on your tiny crappy TV. There really wasn't a middle ground, and you usually could only do that a couple times a month due to the cost and the time investment. Now with Netflix and other streaming services (never mind less legitimate sources,) we frequently just throw something on as background noise without even caring about or paying attention to it.

      - And following that, competition. 20 years ago, there was only a small handful of studios that would push movies to an even smaller number of (national) theater chains and unless you were really into the artsy type scene with connections to source lesser-known stuff from, you really had little choice in the matter -- it was between Disney's new AAA title or Newline's new AAA title. Now that theaters aren't such a limiting factor (that whole good TV thing,) there are dozens if not hundreds of studios producing at least decent movies even if they're not AAA. A lot of TV shows have become competitive as well, which is a whole new realm of competition that never really existed before. So far we don't have much international competition at least -- Hollywood still does AAA better than almost anyone else, and they're (mostly) in English so that's a huge leg up over imported films that have to be translated -- most people don't like reading subtitles and even good dubs usually sound a bit forced and miss lots of subtleties.

    4. Re:You have more options today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first $10 movie ticket I saw was at a theater in downtown Boston in 2003. That was notable because it was considerably more than a ticket at a theater well outside the city would cost. As recently as 2014, tickets at my local theater were $6-8. So $5 in the early 2000s doesn't seem too unreasonable.

    5. Re:You have more options today by aevan · · Score: 1

      Feel free to free to disbelieve, but that just might been your location. I know I was paying 6$ Cdn to see new release movies in the 2000s, 4$ on cheap night.

      Still not as nice as the 80s with 2$ movies... a little bit of picking up found change and you could see a new release after school.

    6. Re:You have more options today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How many tickets sold" may be interesting. "How much money made" IS NOT interesting! What is wrong with you guys? Marketers always make this mistake. When I consider buying something, I could not care less what your "market share" is. Your investors may be interested in that. But not not not the customers! Unless they are really stupid customers, that is. The purchasing decision hinges on "is this the best alternative for me", not on "how many lemmings bought this".

      The lemmings go for "the most marketed", they don't even go for "cheap" these days. If money didn't matter, I'd rather have a Bentley than a Ford - even though the Ford has more "market share". So tell me again, why would "market share" matter to a buyer? It doesn't.

    7. Re:You have more options today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about 3D was, it required movie theatres to invest in upgrading their screens and projectors. Tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars per theatre, not counting the glasses.

      Then they had to get that money back somehow.

    8. Re:You have more options today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your linked article indicates that it is less expensive to see a movie now than when I was a kid. What is your point? Not only that, but we watched in wooden seats with a read cushion and not today's lazy boy recliner seating.

  37. Major Spoiler... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    even if that leads to major spoilers for them and everyone they share it with.

    While most people say they hate spoilers, there's a number of studies out there that show when you measure it, people actually enjoy movies MORE when they know in advance what is going to happen.

    This is because people actually don't like being surprised, but confuse their desire for novelty with a desire for surprise. This makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint: surprise means having a lion unexpectedly jump out of a bush onto you. It's not something creatures would evolve to active seek out.

    1. Re:Major Spoiler... by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      The big problem with spoilers is when they reveal the punch line of a joke. One of the better jokes in the first "Men in Black" movie was the childbirth scene. The trailer reduced a "Whoa! ha ha ha!!" to "OK, there's that distinctive car in the trailer with all the tentacles coming out of it... wait for it... wait for it... yeah *yawn* there are the tentacles."

  38. Not trailer, films self-spoil by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    They tend to give away too much...

    That's not a problem of the trailer it's a problem of Hollywood's inability to take risks with a plot. It's been over 10 years since I've seen a film which had an ending which I could not see coming well beforehand (and because of that it's one of my favourite films despite not being a "blockbuster"). The trailer is no different than the first few minutes of the film.

    Once the characters have been established the plot follows with annoying predictability. Occasionally there may be the odd twist but even these now seemed picked from a predetermined list (character dies, bad guy turns out to be good, good guy turns out to be bad etc.). Not only don't they really affect the ending but they often feel the need to flag the twist in such an obvious fashion you can often see it coming a mile away too! So it's not a trailer that spoils a film, films are so predictable that they self-spoil.

  39. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Kjella · · Score: 1

    The trailer showed Neo stopping bullets with his mind. In the trailer. That was supposed to be the shock and awe moment that tied it all together.

    I think that's your re-imagination of the script, it's already pre-spoiled in the movie itself too.

    Neo: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets? Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

    There was never really any question that he'd transcend and defeat Agent Smith in the Matrix somehow, the thriller was the counter-offensive in the real world to find the Nebuchadnezzar and destroy it because with their minds trapped in the Matrix they couldn't just run or use their EMP. Don't get me wrong I thought it was cool, it just wasn't a major spoiler that he'd eventually stop bullets. And I never saw the trailer before the movie.

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  40. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Ramze · · Score: 1

    At least there is a plan in the works to make a film that will be between Prometheus and Covenant to fill that gap.

    Who knows if we'll ever see that film, though.

  41. Stop saying "we" by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    Maybe some subset of idiots are scared of surprise, but don't dump all of us into the same basket.
    If someone doesn't want to watch a movie because he's scared something that wasn't in trailer is going to happen then I mean... fuck that person is a lost cause anyways.

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  42. NEWS FLASH!!! Advertisers ruin everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    something wonderful happens with no advertising, people start thinking for themselves and stop falling for garbage.

    we really do not need even %0.0001 of the advertising that happens at any level.

  43. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    What about Terminator 2? If you carefully watch the movie as it starts, you realize that you're not supposed to think Arnold S is actually a "good robot". There's only one clue (he doesn't outright kill the bikers, he just, you know, tortures them, permanently disfiguring them, and steals their clothes and stuff, but he doesn't kill them), but until he actually saves Connor for the first time, there's no serious reason to believe he's not out to kill Connor.

    Spoiled by every trailer of the movie, plus, in fairness, most of the reviews.

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  44. It does not have to be like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjaVdJt59U

    Alfred Hitchcock The Birds trailer.. Not a single spoiler in the preview/advertisement.
    Obviously it works better with an established director, but it could be like this again.

    I avoid all trailers, spoilers, media feeds etc..
    You see even one, and all 12 good jokes, and the 4 best action sequences are ruined.

    I remember when the first Twilight movie came out and we had a unstoppable trailer play.
    I'd not read the book or heard of it at all.
    I told my wife, who had read the books, that the movie was ruined for me now.
    She asked how, and then I said, well, this, then that happens, and probably then..
    Needless to say I then broke down the plot-line for that movie and unknowingly the rest of the books from just the trailer.

    They ruin it all.

  45. urgh by friesofdoom · · Score: 1

    Could you please take this story, and re-post it somewhere like Vanity Fair. It seems odd that you identify a problem caused by 97% of the population, and then tell the remaining 3% that it's their fault.

  46. I call B.S. on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing I hate more than when a trailer tells like 95% of the story. I doubt the veracity of this research.

  47. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by computational+super · · Score: 1

    The "Miracles from Heaven" trailer ended with the mom saying "you're telling me that when my daughter fell 20 feet onto her head it didn't paralyze her, but it cured her of the incurable disease that she was suffering from?" The movie was two hours of the mother agonizing over whether or not her daughter would be cured of the incurable disease that she was suffering from.

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  48. It's the film industry's fault by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    When I go to GAP and I buy a shirt I can return it next day, full refund no hassle.

    When I go to the cinema and sit through a movie that sucked I cannot get a refund without jumping through multiple magic hoops.

    Listen to this; during a Spiderman 3 premier the film, towards the end started going dark randomly. First 3-5 seconds then 10 and then 60 seconds at a time. Apparently the projector was running back to back all day and was overheating. they had to stop the screening.

    How can I get a refund? Show my ticket, the card purchase, fill out a card then and wait for a manager (if he's in) to approve the refund which will be sent to the card used in 28 fucking days. (On that night there was a queue of 300 people to get these cards.)

    If I knew I could watch something and if I hated it return it for a full refund I'd not need to give a shit about "risking it" without trailers.

    This BTW also works in McD's or any number of other establishments in which the product is "spoiled" after initial use. Although I stopped going many years ago I'm not afraid to try anything in McDs because if I don't like it I get a refund, no questions asked. No BS layer to wade through.

    All that was reason number 1 as for reason number 2; films need to advertise themselves. In the old days there was 1 new film in a month, or 6 or a year depending on how far back you go. No there is some blockbuster every week or two...sometimes several in the same week.

    So when you have to choose which burger to buy because there's many they have to advertise...and attentions spans have not decreased but people are more capable of absorbing content and cliches faster so the trailers are faster, heck film is faster!

    If trailers are ruining films then why are they so successful at pushing film sales up?

    Massive budgets are not an indication of quality, a bewildering array of stars is no indication either, no director and or producer can gives you a hint but ultimately films are often hit or miss. A trailer gives us buy-in, at least you get to believe you know the is of quality X

    Hollywood has not changed it's winning formulas for years because they make money. If it works why change it?

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  49. Maybe we could quarantine by rpresser · · Score: 2

    all the trailers in a single place, like a park. We could call it a trailer park.

  50. Bullshit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Bullshit.

    I don't even go to movies any more because there is no surprise.

    This reminds me of our monthly management meetings. Attendance dwindled off, and during one meeting, the big guy asked what could be done to improve attendance. Most people had suggestions about how we could expand upon what we were doing, to implement the topics in more detail. People there nodded in approval.

    Then a guy in the corner stood up and said - "We're losing attendance here, and you are asking how to improve attendance among the people who are left. How about asking the people who don't come to the meetings any more?"

    Want to get people like me to be interested in movies again? Quit making movies like they are now.

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  51. Save the Cat! by slew · · Score: 2

    Apparently, it's gotten so bad that even when it's different, it's the same.

    This is supposedly the book that ruined hollywood...

    This book took the history of three-act blockbuster movies and distilled movie making into a minute-to-minute movie formula (a beat sheet) for future amateur screen writers. Apparently, the author died in 2009 (the book was published in 2005) so he probably didn't know how bad it would become and can't even repent...

    1. Re:Save the Cat! by Altrag · · Score: 1

      It seems a little pessimistic to blame everything that's wrong with movies today on breaking them down into 15 chunks instead of just 3 chunks. Yeah that's certainly more fine-grained and therefore less flexible, but its still giving the screenwriter 4-8 minutes of freedom for each "beat" (depending on the length of the film.)

      There are lots of other issues going on as well though: - High risk-avoidance leading to a continual stream of remakes and sequels rather than allowing fresh ideas.

      - The desire to appeal to foreign audiences (so more explosions and fighting and other dialogue-minimal scenes to avoid translations, as those always suck at least a little. Which means less time and words available to generate story and character content.)

      - Competition from non-blockbuster sources such as Netflix originals, HBO's array of amazing TV shows (Game of Thrones might be the most well known, but they've produced a lot of other good ones as well) and indie films, which either previously didn't exist at all or were such low quality that they weren't really competitive. Even if all copyright infringement somehow disappeared overnight, Hollywood would still be in trouble due to this completely legitimate competition.

      All of that combines in ways that make everything suck for classic Hollywood studios. This isn't like copyright infringement where they can just pass it off to their lawyers and call it a day. This time they're going to have to learn how to adjust to the new world, or die out while clinging to the old. Netflix in particular has been a massive game changer but at this point even losing Netflix wouldn't put the genie back in the bottle -- there's enough other Netflix-like companies that another one would just fill the void if somehow Netflix went away.

    2. Re:Save the Cat! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Dialogue dubbing doesn't have to suck. Quite the opposite, some shows gained due to the translation.

      You might know of a (probably) little known series called "The Persuaders!". It's a not too spectacular action comedy series with Tony Curtis and Roger Moore, and as you may imagine from them starring in it, it's quite old. It didn't even make it through the original 24 episodes in the US.

      In the German dub, it became an incredible hit, simply because when the dubbing happened, they already knew it was a bomb. And they practically didn't give a shit. They routinely broke the fourth wall ("I have to talk faster or my words won't sync to my lips and the network gets angry letters again") and generally lightened the tone a lot.

      This can actually salvage bad or boring dialogue, it all depends on how well the dubbing is executed.

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    3. Re:Save the Cat! by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Well sure if you have a show that originally sucks and you essentially give it a brand new script that doesn't suck, then that's great. But that's not really due to it being dubbed -- that's due to it being rewritten. If you rewrote the script to not suck in the original language it would be better as well. Dubbing just gives them a second shot at it.

      Being able to completely scrap (or at least substantially alter) the original script removes or at least reduces many of the problems with dubbing -- in particular the need to simultaneously match meaning and lip syncing at the same time, which is the source of most of the forced sounding dialogue in dubs. If you're willing to forego lip syncing, you can translate basically all of the meaning (barring true cultural differences) but the many, many memes about old Chinese karate films show how well that goes over.

      On the other hand, if you're willing to forego meaning, you still are somewhat restricted by the lip syncing but you have far more flexibility in choosing your words since you can make up whatever crap sounds good and not worry about whether it makes sense in the (original) context. Fourth wall breaking is a common practice when they do this because then they don't even have to make sense in the new context either.

      But of course I wasn't really talking about the rare cases where they throw away the original script, much as those can be fun (I still love Samurai Pizza Cats!) I was talking about legitimate translation efforts, which are the vast majority. And its not because translators suck. Its not because the voice actors suck. Its simply because languages mostly don't follow the same vocal and lip movement patterns.

      For a bit of an aside, Square-Enix' recent Final Fantasy games (starting at FF13 I believe) have been designed so that the characters' mouth movements are matched to the local dialog rather than being fixed to the original (Japanese) dialog and having the lip syncing issues that their previous games had (for the same reason as movies.) Of course, that's much easier in CG since the mouth movements are less precise to begin with, and they control the full animation frame by frame (as opposed to say a DVD where the animation is fixed at the time the DVD is pressed -- though they could theoretically re-animate the mouth movements for the primary language of each DVD region.) That doesn't really apply to real actors in movies and whatnot of course (even if you wanted to do it per-region, you would have to re-shoot the scene for each language.. which obviously isn't cost-effective.)

    4. Re:Save the Cat! by ReeceTarbert · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it's gotten so bad that even when it's different, it's the same.

      Kurt Vonnegut, witty as usual, did it before during one of his lectures. There's even a written, longer version which includes references to Kafa and Hamlet.

      RT.

    5. Re:Save the Cat! by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you mentioned Samurai Pizza Cats! The original show, by all reports, was just really meh--it wasn't bad, it hit all the right notes, it just was nothing whatsoever remarkable in quality any direction. The thing is, they couldn't give it an accurate dub, because of the state it arrived in: They didn't throw away the original script because that would require they actually got it in the first place.

      Also, caring about the lip sync is definitely something that varies by culture...as is if the local preference is for subtitles or dubs...

  52. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

    There isnt though, the next film is for between Covenant and Alien.

  53. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a big fan of Ridley Scott.
    I'm also a big fan of the first two Alien films.
    The rest aren't worth my time.

    After watching Prometheus in the theater I was extremely disappointed.
    It was a joke.
    I tried again just recently to watch it, thought I would give it another chance.
    Nope, it stunk just as bad and I turned it off before they even got to the alien planet.

    I'm sure Covenant will be just as formulaic and ridiculous.

  54. i suppose it stands to reason... by doom · · Score: 1

    I suppose it stands to reason that someone must still care about Hollywood movies, but I can't figure out why... they just seem like an un-ending meh-fest to me. When I see one that doesn't completely suck that's a remarkable surprise.

    Me, I think Hollywood was doomed when the international market took off, and they dropped writing dialog in favor of doing stuff that would translate more easily.

    I would rather watch the trashiest of Japanese anime, the dorkiest Bollywood film, or the slowest Korean comedy-drama than pretty much anything Hollywood comes up with.

  55. Great skit mocking trailers giving everything away by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    Studio C nailed this with The Movie Trailer That Spoils Everything.

  56. Re:Trailers are not what is ruining movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liberals by definition feel their way through life instead of thinking their way through

    As opposed to conservatives who brought us the TSA, security theatre, warnings of "death panels" under Obamacare, homophobia, islamophobia, xenophobia and racism?

  57. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    That's bad, but it's not the worst spoiler ever, IMO. I'd go with Terminator Genisys, spoiling the biggest plot point by far (John Connor is now a prototype terminator.) Imagine how great that reveal would've been in an otherwise forgettable movie, but someone in marketing had to screw that up.

  58. Re:Trailers are not what is ruining movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God, another idiot that thinks liberals are hiding under his bed.

  59. No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, Bouncing Tits Apocalypse certain sounds worth watch. As long as Michael Bay isn't involved.

  60. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want to sell tickets. They don't give a rat's ass if it ruins the movie for you, so long as you buy the ticket. They have no incentive to mark some trailers 'spoilers', and they do have a dis-incentive (an unwatched trailer won't increase turnout, and a trailer that doesn't show the interesting bits won't increase turnout).

  61. The article makes no sense by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    In some cases, this fixation is even lowering the quality of movies themselves by encouraging bad filmmaking habits. The most extreme example happened when Warner Bros released such a successful trailer for 'Suicide Squad' it brought on the company that cut it to edit the whole film -- dropping the director's original cut altogether.

    [citation needed]. How can you say that the quality of the movie was lowered? Did you see the original cut? I would wager that the author has zero clue as to anything he is saying since he doesn't even understand his main example.

    WB brought on the trailer company to recut the film because the trailers, teasers, and general feel for superhero movies showed the original version would have massively tanked on release. It was quite clear that audiences were sick of the dark gloomy crap DC was producing and instead highly rating fun light hearted movies with retro soundtracks.

    WB didn't lower the quality of anything, they tried to fix a sinking ship while still out at sea and to some degree had success with a relatively okay audience rating regardless of what the critics think. Sure the result was a critical flop with nonsensical actions and dialogue by characters, and retro music just slapped in rather than being an integral part of the movie which audiences loved so much about Guardians of the Galaxy, but ultimately at least they tried to put the fun back in. I dread the garbage that may have been.

  62. An anonymous reader shares an article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, please stop pretending. We all know it's you.

  63. Reverse Spoiler by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    Ever been disappointed because something you saw in the trailer did not appear in the movie?

    Do you consider that false advertising?

  64. Watch after the Movie by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    I like to watch trailers after I see the movie. I don't mind most trailers, but lots of times I will close my eyes and ears so I don't see them. I don't want to see the images that might spoil it later. They are to long and do reveal to much, I'd prefer if they would leave you hanging

    Trailers are supposed to get you excited about the movie, but its all marketing. In fact the trailers are usual done by a company not associated with the production, their specialty is just trailers.

  65. Re:Trailers are not what is ruining movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like

    Why should I respond to your bat-sh*t insane claptrap, when I can just mod it down like it should be?

  66. Wait... by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Wait... who is obsessed with trailers? I thought trailers were so you could read on your phone until the movie started without spoiling other movies.

  67. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Altrag · · Score: 1

    Yeah but the time differential between him taking the bikers' clothes and him saving John is about 2 minutes or something.. its pretty close in any case (and that scene is right near the beginning of the movie to boot,) so the amount of movie "spoiled" is quite minimal.

    Compare that with say, a trailer that showed 3/4 of the climactic office storming scene and then him being lowered into the smelter. That's more the level of spoiler we're seeing a lot these days.

  68. Re:Trailers are not what is ruining movies by Altrag · · Score: 1

    Wow. That's a hell of a lot of ranting and generalization over a single word! I hope you remembered to take your blood pressure meds before letting that one out.

    But I'm going to respond to one particular point because its not just an overzealous and underthought opinion, but actually borders into dangerous stupidity:

    note they are MUSLIMS, no other religion comes close to the 30,000 plus murders committed by radical MUSLIMS in the past 17 years in the name of Islam

    There is a vast difference between the statement "most terrorists are Muslim" and "most Muslims are terrorists." While your statement may be factually true, the conclusion you're implying from it is not.

    I mean hell if we want to take your line of thinking to a stupid extreme: Straight men have started and controlled pretty much every war and tragedy in human history, so I guess we should just get rid of them? Time for heterophobia to get going already! Oh wait, your logic should only apply when you want it to? How convenient.

  69. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    It's more like 10-15 minutes, with a lot of build up, but I do understand where you're coming from. That said, the "Arnie's a good guy?" is more of a "Luke, I am your father" event than "They end up in an office for a little bit and blow it up" type thing.

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  70. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by sheramil · · Score: 1

    There should be a new category.... Spoiler Trailer.

    Troiler.

    Waiting for someone to say "That's not what troilism is about."

  71. Business in Action by grimfate · · Score: 1

    This is how business works: Try to create maximum profits. To do this you take your product or service and figure out how to get the manufacturing/running cost down and appeal to the widest (or wealthiest) consumer base possible, while not inadvertently losing profit by driving away too many people. This is why Hollywood makes movies PG-13 that should be R, why soda companies use HFCS when people prefer cane sugar, why companies use foreign companies for phone support even though people prefer local and why reality TV was (and probably still is) so big even though people (I assume) prefer scripted T.V.

    Businesses don't try to make the best products they can; they either aim for the cheapest price point they can achieve with an acceptable quality, or for a product that is better enough than a competitor's product at a given price point, or, if they don't have competition, the cheapest product that people will accept for the highest price they will pay for it. Movies are getting worse because we are willing to pay to the level of quality they are giving us.

  72. It's ok...it's kept me from going to theatre by Evil+Kerek · · Score: 1

    If I watch a trailer and feel like 'well...just saw the whole movie'...I simply don't see it. Usually ever.

  73. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    I dont watch trailers for movies i want to see.

  74. I'm not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After watching all of the trailers of guardians of the galaxy 2 to absolute death I was pleasantly surprised as I watched it in the cinema in 3d to find that the trailers were crafted in a way to show bloopers and various other bits not seen in the movie. I usually hate to watch trailers because spoilers but I thought it worked really well in this instance.

  75. They are not doing a good job by sad_ · · Score: 1

    They edited the movie 'suicide squad' because of the trailer? wow, they really failed that one big time. I seem to remember some people suid them because it didn't feature enough of the Joker, which the trailer made out to believe was going to be in there.

    So, they are editing movies depending on the trailer made from the same movie, but then the movie is nothing anymore like what was promised in the trailer. aaargh...

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  76. Thats not the issue at all IMO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The issue is that the price of going to the movie is soooo high that no one want to waste money, they prefer knowing up ahead what the movie is that risquing to waste that money on a bad movie. There's a lot of reason, people dont like to think much either... but I dont think the preview are the reason. I think its an effect of other causes.

  77. Obsession with trailers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly never knew that was such a thing. I hate trailers because they either spoil the movie for me or giveaway some of the better parts of the movie. But it makes me think, if a 1 minute trailer can give away the whole movie, everything really has gotten predictable in theaters

  78. depends on the movie by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    Nearly everyone agrees that "Apollo 13" was a major cliff-hanger, even tho' we all knew perfectly well how the story ended.

    I've heard about 50-50 from people as to whether spoilering "The Crying Game" mattered.

    In my case, I'll watch The Big Sleep and The Magnificent Ambersons plenty of times. FastAndFurious[1:237] not so much.

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  79. That's OK by fedos · · Score: 1

    Studies show people enjoy stories more if the ending's been "spoiled".

  80. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Hell, yes!

    I remember seeing a TV spot for T2 that showed Arnie turning around, smiling, and saying, "Trust me".

    Up until that point I had no idea he could possibly be good and had absolutely NO REASON to given the events of the past film. There was no established precedence for capturing and reprogramming one of those things.

    It was a huge spoiler for me and greatly diminished the impact of the "guns & roses" scene that culminates with, "Get down!".

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  81. Re:Worst trailer ever? The Matrix by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Well, yes, but the start of the movie also makes it look like Arnie is the only Terminator sent back and the other guy (the T1000 played by Robert Patrick), must therefore be the human protector like in T1. They play on that by showing Arnie's POV but not Robert's, and show Robert punching a cop in the stomach without revealing he would have actually killed him.

    It's not until the guns 'n' roses corridor scene that it is revealed that these roles have been reversed.

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  82. Re:Trailers are not what is ruining movies by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    There is a vast difference between the statement "most terrorists are Muslim" and "most Muslims are terrorists." While your statement may be factually true, the conclusion you're implying from it is not.

    I mean hell if we want to take your line of thinking to a stupid extreme: Straight men have started and controlled pretty much every war and tragedy in human history, so I guess we should just get rid of them? Time for heterophobia to get going already! Oh wait, your logic should only apply when you want it to? How convenient.

    First off, pretty sure I didn't say most Muslims are terrorists, that is a straw man argument popularized by Obama and the Left, and no one else makes it.

    Sorry, but you are buying into the PC/Islamist propaganda. Muslims make up just 3% of the US population, yet they are the only religious group to carry out multiple, organized, religiously motivated mass murders in the last 30 years. Islam is a violent religion, and while not all Muslims are active terrorists, a poll a while back indicated that 30% of US Muslims agree with radical violence against the US. Time and again we have seen half assed Muslims pick up arms and become hardcore fanatics and subsequently murder US citizens (Nidal Hassan, San Bernadino, Florida gay bar, etc.) You may not like the reality, it may not agree with your worldview, but it is reality none the less. I know Muslims in my personal life, and I take them as individuals, but I also don't turn my back on them and I would never trust them like I would a fellow American with a Judeo-Christian background, because I have read the Koran cover to cover and I know that it condones the deception and murder of non-believers for gain among other things. Liberals want to project their morality onto Muslims, but the reality is there to see, just look at Muslim majority nations: women are treated horribly, raped, subject to honor killings, child rape is rampant, there is no freedom of religious worship, homosexuals are routinely murdered, minorities like Jews are singled out and persecuted and Islam is involved in 17 of the 19 active wars around the world. Islam is not a religion of peace and they are diametrically opposed to what most US liberals hold dear. The cognitive dissonance in the left is truly amazing.

    And no, white hetero males have not "started and controlled pretty much every war and tragedy in human history" that is just the liberal brainwashing you have been fed. I am immune to such bullshit because I actually know history. Here are a few examples of non-white-hetero "war and tragedy":

    World war 2 Japan was pretty evil and murdered and brutalized millions of Chinese as well as US POWs (they are not "white" last time I checked)
    If you want a homosexual example, how about Jeffrey Dahmer, he was pretty evil too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Pol pot the Asian dictator murdered around 2.5 million of his own people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Mao Tse Tung: communists in China (not white Anglos) murdered millions of innocents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    The communist north Koreans have murdered at least a million of their own citizens since the revolution.
    Muslims have started over 100 wars since 600 AD and have killed millions: http://www1.cbn.com/churchandm...

    On the other side of the coin, the US has been controlled by white male presidents since it's founding and has been almost universally a force for good in the world. Our one blemish, slavery, was inherited from MUSLIMS (yes, they started and ran the majority of the African slave trade as well as the white slave trade in the Mediterranean). The US stopped slavery, first by sendin

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