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Putin Now Argues Russia Could've Been Framed For Election Meddling By The CIA (nbcnews.com)
In a news magazine show premiering tonight, Megyn Kelly reports that Russian president Vladimir Putin "has denied Russian involvement in the hacking and interference with our U.S. presidential eletion for some time. That changed earlier this week, and the story appears to be evolving yet again." An anonymous reader shared two articles from NBC:
"Hackers can be anywhere. They can be in Russia, in Asia...even in America, Latin America," he said. "They can even be hackers, by the way, in the United States who very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame, as we say, onto Russia. Can you imagine something like that? In the midst of a political battle...?" The journalist asked the Russian president about what American intelligence agencies say is evidence that he became personally involved in a covert campaign to harm Hillary Clinton and benefit Donald Trump. "IP addresses can be invented -- a child can do that! Your underage daughter could do that. That is not proof," Putin replied...
Kelly told viewers that Putin -- the former director of Russia's domestic spy agency -- also suggested that the CIA could have been behind the hacking and noted that many people were convinced Russia was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy... Earlier, at a Friday forum moderated by Kelly, Putin likened the U.S. blaming his country for hacking the presidential election to "blaming the Jews"...
"Echoing remarks President Donald Trump made on the campaign trail, Putin also questioned the need for NATO."
Kelly told viewers that Putin -- the former director of Russia's domestic spy agency -- also suggested that the CIA could have been behind the hacking and noted that many people were convinced Russia was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy... Earlier, at a Friday forum moderated by Kelly, Putin likened the U.S. blaming his country for hacking the presidential election to "blaming the Jews"...
"Echoing remarks President Donald Trump made on the campaign trail, Putin also questioned the need for NATO."
Dec. 10, 2015
Lt. Gen Michael Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of government-backed Russia Today, for which he receives payment (The Washington Post, Aug. 15, 2016). Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event (CNN, May 19, 2017).
Late 2015
British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to American intelligence agencies (The Guardian, April 13, 2017).
March 19, 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, likely precipitating the hack of his account (CBS News, Oct. 28, 2016).
March 21
During an interview with The Post, Trump lists Carter Page as part of his foreign policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox (WP, March 21, 2016).
March 28
Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidante Roger Stone (New York Times, March 28, 2016). Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That deal followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could "greatly benefit the Putin Government." His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009 (Associated Press, March 22, 2017). Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party's leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country's presidency. Yanukovych would later be ousted. (WP, Aug. 19, 2016)
April 27
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) may have met with Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump (CNN, May 31, 2017).
June
At a closed-door meeting of foreign policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively (WP, Aug. 5, 2016).
June 15
A hacker calling himself "Guccifer 2.0" releases the Democratic National Committee's research file on Donald Trump (Gawker, June 15, 2016). News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers (WP, June 14, 2016).
July
At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump's campaign (Wired, March 20, 2017).
July 7
Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture (NYT, April 19, 2017). The Trump campaign approved the trip (USA Today, March 7, 2017). This trip was likely the catalyst for the FBI's request for a secret surveillance warrant to track PageÃs communications (WP, May 25, 2017).
July 11 or 12
Trump campaign staffers intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party's national security platform to remove language call arming Ukraine against Russian aggression. (July 18, 2016).
July 18
At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation (WP, March 2, 2017).
Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd's "Lock her up!" chant. "If I, a guy who knows this business, if I did a tenth of what she did," Flynn said, "I would be in jail today" (C-Span, July 18, 2016).
July 22
Wikileaks releases emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee (WP, July 22, 2017).
Jul. 27
During his last news conference of the campaign, Trump asks Russia to release emails hacked from Clinton's private server. He later says that he was joking (WP, July, 27, 2016).
Aug. 9
Flynn Intel Group, a consulting firm founded by Flynn, signs a contract with Inovo BV, a firm run by a Turkish businessman close to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, for more than $500,000 (Daily Caller, Nov. 11, 2016).
Aug. 15
The New York Times reports on secret ledger
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The CIA also faked all those meetings & communications between Russians & Flynn, Manafort, Kushner too
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Any timeline of these events should probably start with this book. So far things are proceeding as planned, and ultimate success seems likely.
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The Koran tells them they have to pray five times a day, fuck goats or young boys, screw around with democratic elections and abstain from eating pork.
Telling the truth about Democrats is now called "election meddling".
Isn't that odd? Trump is such an "outsider" and Putin is such a documented insider, and yet they talk to the same Russian bankers and have the same ideas about politics...
I'm going to assume he's talking about spoofing, or the technique of inserting a packet stream into the internet and making it appear like it's come from somewhere else.
This is in fact easily done if what you're attempting to do is DDOS a system. Doing it in such a way as to hack a system is NOT childsplay.
Here's one problem. You're typically (in the childs play scenario. State actor level games are NOT child's play) transmitting in the blind. TCP requires a three-way handshake. Assuming no one involved in the internet today is dumb enough to allow source routing packets, and that everyone is using decent random number generators for their sequence numbers, you can't see the SYN/ACK response from the host (since that'll have gone to the IP you're impersonating)
Add in ANY type of cryptography and you're totally hosed, as even the oldest version of SSL required you to exchange secrets, and since you're transmitting in the blind you won't see the response secret and it's game over.
There was a time when it was possible, because TCP sequence numbers were guessable due to poor randomness in a number of TCP stacks. You could make an intelligence guess as to what the next sequence number would be and send some bracketing packets in the hopes of getting lucky (more likely on a slow system then on a busy one).
And if you take your waybackmachine to the 90s, you'd find that source routing packets were honoured. It's been awhile since I ran into a version of anything that had that turned on by default.
So unless you can get into the ISP that the victim machine is connected to, not happening for any real world situation. And pawning an ISP is decidedly not childs-play.
So I give this claim 4-CRC errors out of 5.
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Our government has absolutely no transparency and our interests are not represented. Our country is essentially occupied by globalists.
Everything else is a distraction, and odds are you fall for it at least once in a while as we all do.
Engaging in the 'left vs. right' war is profoundly unhealthy. No responsible person acts this way.
The real war is 'rational vs. irrational'. We're all being made to pay for the ignorance of philosophy in education.
Instead of unifying with people we have most in common with we are fighting each other on behalf of our 'political leaders' that we have very little in common with and are indeed cruelly exploited by.
The globalist occupation (and every evil thing that goes with it)might seem like too hard of a problem to take on, but it's the condition under which you live. Deal with it or deal with natural selection.
You can't elect some one to live your life for you.
Picking a side is not a valid choice.
So you're saying that if Russia did do the hacking, it was ok because Clinton would have lost anyway.
Would you feel the same if, say, Russia turned against Trump and hacked his servers during the 2020 election?
Trump's great friendship with Putin is part of a larger pattern. In general, he is very friendly toward authoritarian leaders, and hostile toward democratic ones.
The explanation for this pattern seems to be that he is a would-be authoritarian himself.
Both the US and Russia (and the former Soviet Union) as well as the UK have a LOOONG history of interfering in the internal politics of other countries by covert and illegal means. You reap what you sow - and that applies equally to everyone.
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
where's the proof? The media keeps talking about this, but hasn't released a single piece of evidence yet. Also, the Obama admin gave Flynn the highest level of security clearance, then renewed it after these stories broke, and didn't revoke it before Obama left office. If there was evidence, wouldn't Obama have done something?
Hell yeah. I want ALL of our politicians dirty laundry aired. And American hackers can do the same to Putin. Then everybody wins.
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Bawahahaha, Trumpflake is triggered goes all conspiracy nut.
Trump and the Rethuglicans are doing a great job of fucking up continously all by themselves.
Keep trying to distract from the real enemy, shills.
1) Did the Russians meddle in the election?
2) If #1 is true, did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians in their election meddling?
I'm no fan of the guy currently occupying the White House, but given Clinton's statements (while she was Secretary of State) regarding the 2012 Russian election... it's certainly plausible that the Great Bear Wrestler could have directed his hackers to target Clinton without colluding with anyone on the US side of things.
Part of what muddies the waters here is that Trump's narcissistic ego won't allow him to accept that he won the election despite losing the popular vote. In his fantasies he won by a landslide and received a huge mandate from the American populace. So he won't listen to his intelligence agencies who are certain the Russians meddled; he talks about massive voter fraud without the presence of any corraborating evidence whatsoever, and so on. This sort of behavior creates the appearance of guilt in many people's eyes, whether the guilt exists in reality or not.
It's certainly possible that his campaign is guilty of collusion with the Russians... but the mere existence of Russian meddling does not conflate to that.
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In his war against the Democrats, Trump has allied himself with Putin, whom he admires greatly.
So tell me, what do you think of Putin? Do you admire him too? Do you think it would be good if Trump made the US much more like Putin's Russia?
Why would the CIA (or any of the alphabet agencies) move to put Trump in the White House? That's ludicrous.
If any sufficiently large group of independent US hackers wanted to get any of the 2016 candidates elected, they probably would have aided Bernie or McMullin.
I'm not arguing that Russia didn't interfere with the elections but the whole "Kushner-gate" thing is ridiculous, at least based on what's currently known. EVERY administration has had back channel communications with foreign governments. The deescalation of Cuban Missile Crisis started with lunch between the KGB station chief in Washington DC and a ABC News reporter who then relayed information to Robert Kennedy (who, as Attorney General, technically should not have been involved). That's about as "back channel" as you get.
The nature of international politics is there are some things that you can't immediately discuss in the open (like what was ultimately a tit-for-tat pull back of medium range missiles in Turkey). It's not the means of communication that are treasonous... it's what's discussed (and depending on what's discussed, whether it's ultimately revealed to the public and/or the actions taken).
Each country is running its own propaganda, with most of its media following the government. In the end, I do not know how I can make an informed opinion on this story.
"Let's all be Rational!" just doesn't have much of a ring to it. Elections are decided by the emotional. e.g. voters who can be swayed one way or another. If you push for rationality you'll just lose when the other side uses clear slogans and emotions to get votes. This is one of those "How the sausage is made" aspects of politics.
Globalism isn't necessarily the problem. The problem is abandoning the poor and working class. Everytime anyone's done that a populist like Trump has ridden a wave of fear and discontent to power and bad stuffs happened. If you want things to settle down you'll have to get behind the side that makes sure folks are taken care of. That is and always will be the left. I suppose you could skip the label if it makes you feel better, but it'll make it harder to rally folks to the cause.
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"IP addresses can be invented -- a child can do that! Your underage daughter could do that. That is not proof" — can he tell this to investigators of the Bogatov's case, as they've built the case (an decide to detain Bogatov for yet another month) solely on the fact that his IP address used for offending postings, despite all other evidences that he didn't make them, maybe they just don't know this.
The first comment is copied from a Washington Post news story that gives links to all the stories in the timeline, from all the news agencies.
Rooting out the Obama Vietcong is the immediate present danger and threat and will take time.
In time they will all be eliminated.
Hillary needs the country to focus on Russia to keep our attention away from the murder of Seth Rich. That's why every other word out of her mouth is "Russia". If she were clean, she would have already shut up and retired.
The other Democrats need the Russia story to keep Trump's agenda from being passed. If his agenda is passed and the country does well, it's the end of the Democrat Party.
Nobody believes the media anymore. That's why newspapers are struggling and the broadcast media's ratings are in the toilet.
The CIA also faked all those meetings & communications between Russians & Flynn, Manafort, Kushner too
Well, the CIA have faked evidence of weapons of mass destruction before to justify a war. The only reason the above is not believable is that it's not in the interest of those in power in the US for the CIA to fake evidence of such meetings, not because the CIA wouldn't do such a thing.
They are in bed together one way or another, and this latest attempt at deception is just a sign of exposure.
Let me know when you have evidence that can stand up in court. The dems sabotaged Bernie because he wouldn't take corporate cash. Trump pulled off a victory that nobody predicted. Shut up and vote in 2018.
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We spend more time assigning blame then fixing the problem
LoL IP Addresses are allocated and assigned not invented...
noted that many people were convinced Russia was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy..
Well, isn't J. Edgard Hoover also a very likely subject? After all, the man who let his office to someone else over his dead body listened as the JFK and Marilyn Monroe talked about how Hoover should be got rid off. After a few months, Marilyn is suspiciously dead and JFK the next year. It's all very suspicious and intriguing.
Due to some utter stupidity the President is above the law and what ultimately matters is if there is enough to convince a large part of the Senate.
You seem to have left out the bits where perfectly reasonable communication with the Russian government by a leading contender for the presidency, was wiretapped by Obama and the CIA...
Lets just say that everyone hacked everyone and call it water under the bridge, or a river with an endless number of bridges ahead of us.
The truth is far more odd than your timeline, but it does not implicate who you think it does.
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I wish some comic would make a cartoon of them lighting each others pants on fire.
Manaforts primary connection to the Russian's was as an advisor to the former president of Ukraine. This employment was well disclosed. Considering the politics of the former President of Ukraine it made Manafort a bad choice. Not an illegal one. The liberals are demonizing Trump for behavior they excused in Candidate Obama who personally met with Putin, and said on an open mic that he could be more flexible after the election (on matters with Russia). Just like the invasion of Kuwait where Saddam Hussien took the comments of the US to mean we'd look the other way when he invaded, Putin put in motion a plan he devised at least as far back as 2008. Obama was reelected and GRU Spetznaz started being more active agent provocateurs and when they flipped Ukraine's president Yanakovich away from an agreement that was near term to be signed, and back to Russia, the Ukrainian people started a quiet protest, which the russians pushed into violence both by conscripting dupes on the pro-EU populist side and by pressure on the Ukrainian government to quell the protests, culminating in a massacre at the hands of Russian lead Ukrainian secret police and Berkut, where Yanokovich agreed to terms with the protestors, then overnight fled to Russia. The Russian GRU Spetznaz took the Crimean Parliament at 4:00 AM using explosives to enter, then only allowed pro Russia members in that day, voted in a referendum to leave Ukraine (there was no status quo) and in the referendum vote run up barred dissension that was pro-Ukraine, Russian military caged in place Ukrainian military (using polite green men and military vehicles stripped of identifying markings). The result of the shame referendum was 123%, correction 97% reported voting to rejoin Russia. The actual figures were 15% published accidentally on the President of Russia's human rights site. Then they invaded the Donbas using less than 1000 Ukrainians and filled in with Russian regular troops (without insignia) and russian supplied mercenaries. Now Russia occupies Crimea and in total 9% of Ukraine. Of and Obama's administration before Ukraine took military force to bear in Crimea when the parliament was taken there advised Ukraine that the US would help seek a peaceful diplomatic solution. Obama served Putin well, with documented actions. Trump - Putin connections are pure speculation as to any actual content. Trump publicly has said we should seek peaceful ties with Russia, but also categorically stated Georgia needs their territorial integrity respected. Crimea is part of Ukraine. Russia should leave Ukraine. and Trump's administration has said Russia needs to honor the Minsk II agreement they signed where essentially they agreed to leave Ukraine and have a ceasefire. Putin argues Russia is not in Ukraine, then says some advisors are, BUT CRIMEA IS OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA, openly. and photos show Russian soldiers and even high ranking military personnel in key positions in the Seprussian hierarchy, posing as Ukrainian.
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presonally, if id known he would be such so utterly petulant then no but not having paid much attention to him pre inauguration i would say it was unfair. he only needs to open his mouth or tweet to put weight the conspiracy theories about himself. he is already letting his aides run the gov for him and make his decision so that he just has to pick and go with it...no IQ demonstrated. he could be a terible pucblic speaker or nearing dementia, he could be a slave to media and blogs...well there is no other but given is insulated life at the top floors and champagne popsicles his daughter posts, he just appears to not like media that is "mean" or "unfair" to him. golf appears to be his safe space.
Obama said that to Medvedev not Putin & he was already president.
And he didn't win TWO presidential elections by narrow margins or through the interference of foreign governments.
It's amusing to hear a Trump supporter talking about Obama being "excused" for anything when if he'd ever behaved like Trump has been doing his whole life, he would never have become a senator, let alone president.
Aside from Manafort, there's also Carter Page who was an utter unknown to the general public until Trump mentioned his name as a foreign policy advisor during the campaign. Page has been courted by Russian intelligence for a while but is probably too dumb to be a good spy so has likely been used as a useful idiot.
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You sound anti market. The invisible hand is infallible!
"Liberals are Demonizing Trump" is not a defense. Trump needs to explain himself publicly, cooperate with any investigations, and clean house if necessary. Some people calling him "Putin's puppet" doesn't change that. If he's not Putin's puppet, he can easily do those things.
He should *not* openly fight the investigation. Even if no serious crime was committed WRT Russia, he *will* screw up and commit a serious crime (maybe already has) should he continue to fight.
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That's where you were going with this, yes? Because there is zero evidence that Russia hacked anything.
I see you don't know what "colluding" means.
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Russia, just like they benefit with the very obvious calling card of poisoning people with Polonium.
How do you think the Russian people would react to Putin managing to throw the US election considering that there is so much hate of the USA over there at the moment with sanctions etc? Don't you think they would respect him more for something like that?
Interference or no interference, the fact remains the USA (and many other countries) are in deep existential crisis. Real unemployment is reaching 40-50%, self-destructing obsolet military alliances overheat, moral is in the gutter.
Unfortunately current politicians manifest themselves as little people. There a lot of great projects which could be initiated right now, which could give jobs, prosperity, and future to billions of people. For example, building a high-speed railroad & hi-tech highway between London and New York, via Bering Strait.
Instead they get themselves mired in petty nationalist disputes and personal mercantile interests.
Not one shred of evidence. To an outsider to US politics, this whole story looks quite insane, particularly given tnat it is America that is the country that verifiably interferes in other country's elections routinely. Most recently, we had Obama intrfering in the UK EU referendum - publically, and without any shame whatsoever. Personally, I'm sick of this nonsense propaganda, printed by known 'fake news' publications (who have already been caught red handed) like the Washington Post, and NY Times. The US media absolutely stinks of collusion with powerful interest groups, and deep seated corruption, as does the whole political system of that country. I wish that people would stop posting this discredited and worthless story here. Or are there paid shills of the US elite here too?
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Someone on twitter (Scott Adams) pointed out that the importance of US probably having proof they don't want to talk about, which sounded convincing at first, but ultimately goes nowhere with me.
I remember the untrue accusation presented with Powell at the UN, making his case calling for war, and it was not true.
The US has no credibility with me, not for the other things than being extremist and violent.
There are technologists (meaning one) that have talked about how the NSA is supposed to hack other countries. Do such technologists accept that NSA and USA is supposed to spy on everybody else for their own gain, when you as a spying country probably get to undermine trade negotiations by learning what the other party is willing to accept or not.
When I hear about how computer system (payment terminals) malfunction locally, I can't help but wonder if it is the local authorities that are doing this, for sake of testing purposes and checking security. I really do, and I think this is a terrible world we live in and I don't like it.
Tell you what. When someone from the IRS and the VA ends up in prison, Trump should cooperate. Until then, go to hell.
You think the reason Hillary lost was because Russia hacked a server?
When Trump sends Putin a cargo plane full of cash we can talk.
First, learn to use paragraph breaks, son. I ignored most of your mad manifesto because I don't read walls of text from ranting children.
Second, "The liberals are demonizing Trump for behavior they excused in Candidate Obama who personally met with Putin, and said on an open mic that he could be more flexible after the election (on matters with Russia)" is a load of shit. Trump is trying to hide everything he's doing with Russia. He continues to claim he has no links to Russia when most of his links are to Russia. So no, kiddo, that's not how it works.
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You people remind me of the 9/11 Truthers.
Admit it. You lit a pan of Jet-A on fire underneath some chicken wire and jumped up and down on it, didn't you?
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use f@#@ paper balots and let both sides count, I guess it just tells you how democratic is your democracy really is...We all know electronic voting will always be vulnerable, why do we use it then, so they can control results, while people think democracy exists and is well...
All of them were subjugated slaves of the Turks - Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Palestinians (which meant Jews then), Druze, Arabs. They were not related to the Turks, who themselves were not from Anatolia. The Turks originated in Turkestan - today's Kazakh, Uzbek and Kyrgyz countries. Got Islamized after the Arabs invaded them from newly conquered Iran, and broke into their own after the disintegration of the Samanid Empire. In the East, they penetrated into India and started Muslim Sultanates there, while in Iran and westwards, their Seljuq arm invaded Anatolia and formed the sultanates of Rum (not the liquor) and Qonya, and the Ottomans were an offshoot of that.
Long story short - the ethnic forms of the Ottoman Turks are Turkish Turks, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs & Uzbeks. Not Armenians, Kurds, Druze, et al. It's an open question whether the Azeris are Turks or not: while their languages are similar, Azerbaijan's history is more a part of Iranian history, and Tabriz was their main capital, not Baku.
Globalists can be anything - Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, et al. Nothing that makes them exclusively Jews
It's important to remember why Trump hired Manafort: it was to deliver him the delegates and prevent Ted Cruz or the GOP establishment from denying him a victory in the primaries by hijacking unpledged delegates. Later, due to the rift w/ Lewandowski, he became the sole campaign head. In this case, in hindsight, Trump would have done well to let go of Manafort when he threatened to leave if Lewandowski didn't, and just add on Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway.
Manafort did have ties w/ Viktor Yanukovich, who was Putin's choice in Kyiv. However, that didn't make Manafort himself a Russian agent, as people allege.
On the Russian disputes w/ Ukraine. Moscow has a legitimate case about Crimea, particularly Sevastopol. It was a part of the Russian Federation until 1964, when Nikita Kryushchyev just gifted it to the Ukraine w/o asking the Crimeans what they wanted. On the Donbass, Russia is more clearly in the wrong: both Donetz and Luhansk have split populations b/w Russian and Ukrainian, so Russia can't legitimately just grab that area, and should resolve w/ Kyiv the aspirations of the people involved. Besides, Russia doesn't have a lebensraum issue, so if there are Russians in Ukraine unhappy about Ukrainian becoming the sole official language, Moscow should relocate them to, say, Western Siberia, since it does have a major population shortage in its Asian part.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2... "But the intelligence report does nothing to clarify the abnormalities of Trump’s campaign and election. Instead, it risks perpetuating the fallacy that Trump is some sort of a foreign agent rather than a home-grown demagogue, while doing further damage to our faith in the electoral system. It also suggests that the US intelligence agencies’ Russia expertise is weak and throws into question their ability to process and present information..."
No shit--this is like CIA 101. Regardless of actual actions, sometimes someone just needs to be framed for something. In this case who knows which side of the coin CIA is on, but this is _literally_ what we pay them for.
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" It was a part of the Russian Federation until 1964, when Nikita Kryushchyev just gifted it to the Ukraine w/o asking the Crimeans what they wanted"
1954, not 1964 by which time he was on his way out.
Trump made a lot of noise about "extreme vetting" and "draining the swamp" but didn't apply that rhetoric to his own campaign which would have turned up a lot about Manafort that would be of concern. Sure, he has done work for campaigns going back to the 70s but also not since 1996.
And he has a long history of lobbying for dictators such as Ferdinand Marcos, Joseph Mobutu & has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from Pakistan's Intelligence Service for running a disinformation campaign.
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Yes, the Obama-era CIA wanted to hack the DNC so that Trump would win, and then framed Russia for it. Because that makes sense.
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First, is it surprising Putin would deny involvement? Second, he shows more knowledge of what hackers can do than any US politician or 'media pundit' ever has.
Be that as it may though, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? In all the months this has been going on, with all the 'leaks', where is the actual evidence? 1 single shred of something that connects Russia directly to anything here? And I'm not talking about trolling websites or creating supposed 'fake news' sites...I'm talking about the hacking of the DNC & what's his faces e-mails...the former was NEVER reviewed by the FBI/CIA, they never laid their hands on the servers & the latter is explicitly disavowed by Wikileaks as coming from Russia (so at best we have a 'he said-she said' situation).
Given the paucity of any evidence, Putin knows full well he can deny anything he wants, especially if at best their involvement comes down to 'on-line trolling' (woop de doo). I don't like the guy but he's NOT stupid. Megan Kelly has no new evidence to introduce so no difficult questions to answer, so why bother? Did she really expect Putin to say anything different?
Putin can pretend all he wants, but this Cold War III has been going on for years.
The sad part is those who would become Russia's sheep. Makes me sick.
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Umm...if it showed collusion with the media, fractious infighting to skew the win towards a specific candidate & other 'shady dealings' than sure, why not?
Look, we all know that politicians by & large are lying to us but people like to try to ignore that. If the lies are exposed what does it matter HOW they are exposed? These are 'public entities' NOT private individuals. If they want our trust then they should be willing to be ENTIRELY transparent. A person with a 'solid moral basis' has no fear of their private thoughts & beliefs being exposed if they are running for public office. I watch porn, have frequented a hooker or two in my life & smoked weed...big f'n deal. None of these things constitute a crime against any individual as the individual's involved all have the right to make their own choices. If I ran for public office I have 0 doubt these facts would come out & I'd be in no way embarrassed by them. If people didn't vote for me because of these facts, than so be it, that just tells me the world is simply not ready for true 'individual freedoms'.
Push comes to shove the leaks simply showed that the DNC have NO 'solid moral compass', no real belief system that they can admit adhering to & be proud of & let the chips fall where they may. I doubt the RNC does either so if their dirty laundry was exposed I see no issue with that. Short of someone holding a gun to someone's head & forcing them to say or do things they don't want to do, how the dirty laundry was exposed is not the issue.
I would believe the opposite of anything Putin said.
A guy who blew up 300 people in Moscow under a false flag attack and then had the guy who uncovered it.
Read A Very Expensive Poison: The Assassination of Alexander Litvinenko and Putin's War with the West.
WHAT? Seriously? There is more evidence of 'collusion' in the parents two links than ALL the supposed evidence that has come out about Trump's team. You'd have to have total 'cognitive dissonance' to accept the paucity of evidence against Trump's team as 'solid evidence of collusion' and totally IGNORE those 2 links as showing collusion between Obama, Clinton & Russia. No the latter do not 'prove collusion' in the sense of any evidence of a crime, but they are far more a 'smoking gun' then anything currently presented about Trump's team & Russia.
According to the Hillary Apology Tour, every reason you can think of other than anything pointing at the candidate or her campaign is valid. Not once has she spoken towards the amazing problem of believability and sincerity she has with the electorate.
It's hardly a galloping shock that the vast majority of voters sees her as being one of the least sincere people to ever ask for their vote. But no, it was Russian hacking that made her lose... by establishing concrete evidence of her campaign's insincerity...
Why the hell not? Every frivolous investigation needs to fought. As someone who has been on the butt end of a frivolous investigation due to competitors trying to get access into my building to see what I have, I have no sympathy for them. Believe me, they'll try anything, from sexual harassment, to discrimination. If they could make up a story that I'm a serial killer storing dead people in my locked up R&D department, they would do it.
I've learned in my experience, most investigations like this is just an information hunt. Most investigators have zero ethics and are just spies who have no problem with blurting out what they have.
So yes, every investigation should be fought. Legitimate or not, because the lines have been blurred.
I think no news agency can be completely trusted. Sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes they are badly managed.
Also, see this Slashdot story, published today: DOJ Charges Federal Contractor With Leaking Classified Info To Media Quote: The Intercept published a top secret NSA report Monday that alleged Russian military intelligence launched a 2016 cyberattack on a voting software company. (June 5, 2017)
The story to which you linked, WashPost Is Richly Rewarded for False News About Russia Threat While Public Is Deceived, criticizes the Washington Post for apparently incorrect stories about Russian destructiveness toward the United States. It seems that the full truth isn't known, because The Intercept discovered more about Russian involvement yesterday.
I agree, but it's different if you're the boss, and it's your own organization investigating itself. In that case, you should be on the side of the investigators. Nobody has implicated Trump personally, and there's no indication anywhere that these investigations are politically motivated. It's not Benghazi! It's not Whitewater.
If he's a private citizen, by all means, clam up. If he's president, and he he is, cooperate or resign.
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NOPE the entire investigation needs to end. It's almost been a YEAR and you don't have anything solid at ALL. You cannot hang an endless fishing expedition over the presidents head for 4 years , just because you hate him.
NOPE the entire investigation needs to end. It's almost been a YEAR and you don't have anything solid at ALL. You cannot hang an endless fishing expedition over the presidents head for 4 years , just because you hate him.
Travel back in time & tell that to the GOP.
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