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Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election (theintercept.com)
Russian hacking groups played a larger role in the 2016 election than anyone realized, according to a highly-classified NSA document published today in The Intercept. The document reveals that a Russian intelligence operation sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials days before the election, which ran through a hack of a U.S. voting software supplier. The Russian cyber espionage operation was functional for months before the 2016 U.S. election. From the report: It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document: "Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors ... executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. ... The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to ... launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations." This NSA summary judgment is sharply at odds with Russian President Vladimir Putin's denial last week that Russia had interfered in foreign elections: "We never engaged in that on a state level, and have no intention of doing so." Putin, who had previously issued blanket denials that any such Russian meddling occurred, for the first time floated the possibility that freelance Russian hackers with "patriotic leanings" may have been responsible. The NSA report, on the contrary, displays no doubt that the cyber assault was carried out by the GRU.
And if there were, what difference would that make, now?
I'm betting zilch.
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ZOMG Russians! This continued media frenzy became tiresome some time ago. Can we move on to something new to be outraged about?
We know this story is true because an anonymous source said so! Just like the previous story, and the one before that! When combined, all these anonymous sources form a pattern than cannot be denied! Guilty! SO SAY WE, THE MEDIA.
They will pursue and demonize this "anonymous" source as much as they did wiki leaks for releasing classified information.
So we go from "they hacked us" to "they tried to hack us"? Not quite the same accusation. Next it will go from "It was the Russian government" to "it was someone using an IP from Russia"...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
but first
YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!
It happened, make sure it doesn't happen next time. Lesson learned, let's move on.
All these "news" "articles" about "Russia" supposedly "hacking" the US election is absolutely retarded. It's embarrassing how incredibly obvious their retard propaganda is.
If the Russians actually hacked into the voting machines at the poles and flipped Hillary votes to Donald votes, then yes they hacked the election. Since I have yet to hear this pushed forward, it sounds like all they did was reveal more dirt on Hillary.
Russians may have swayed public opinion but that's no different then what our news media does every day. Heck, the news media likely lost Hillary the election because of those polls. Democrats stayed home because they figured, "we got this and I liked Bernie more anyway".
But sure, let's just keep saying they hacked our election. If they didn't change votes cast then they didn't hack the election.
And no, I sure as hell didn't vote for Trump or Hillary.
a highly-classified NSA document published today in The Intercept.
Never mind that though, we've got outrage-mongering to do! Someone somewhere said "Russia", "hacking" and "election" in the same paragraph, and that's more than enough fake scandal fuel to fill time until Thursday.
(Don't worry, we'll be sure to point out somewhere in paragraph 40 of our article that none of this implicates Trump or his people in any kind of wrongdoing or suggests his election was fraudulent in any way.)
The leaker is Reality Leigh Winner who was arrested by the FBI on June 3rd.
Well I knew that slashdot jumped the shark awhile back, but when most of the comments are defending the Russians, it's reached an all new low.
This is the second time Hillary failed to become “the inevitable president”. Did Russia sabotage her plans last time? (Oh, Obama won the primaries. Hillary made sure she won those this time.)
Did Russia tell Hillary to rig the primaries to freeze our Sanders?
Did Russia get the DNC to provide Hillary the debate questions in advance? (She still did terrible anyway.)
Did Russia make Hillary collapse on their way to their car?
Did Russia encourage Bill to pardon Marc Rich, the billionaire donor to the Clinton campaign and the Clinton Foundation?
Did Russia tell Hillary to be so confident that she could ignore the (previously Democratic) rust belt states in her campaign?
Did Russia tell Hillary to lie about dodging sniper bullets in Bosnia?
Did Russia tell Hillary, when she was a working attorney, to get a rapist a sweet plea deal and then laugh when questioned about it?
Did Russia tell Hillary to call Bill sexual accusers “bimbos”?
Did Russia tell Hillary to say to the bankers that she would ring China with defensive missiles?
Did Russia tell Hillary to have Huma Aberdeen as her aide, assistant editor of a publication that believes in Muslim Sharia Law?
Did Russia tell Hillary to say she would make a no-fly zone in Syria when Russia was already in Syria?
Did Russia tell Hillary to laugh demonically about “came, saw, and kill” Kaddafi?
Did Russia tell Hillary to take bribes on numerous occasions in the form of speaking fees?
Did Russia tell Hillary to use the personal unsecured server?
Did Russia tell Hillary to delete emails that were subpoenaed?
Did Russia tell Hillary to have a corrupt charity?
Did Russia tell Hillary to call 31 million voters deplorable irredeemable racist sexist homophobic bigots?
Did Russia murder Seth Rich, DNC’s Director of Voter Enhancement? He was the Sanders supporter who was shot 4 times while on the ground in a “botched robbery” in which nothing was taken.
Did Russia get the Clintons to accept a bribe on the Uranium One deal? Well, yes, they did do that one.
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Look, I don't think any honest person can deny the Russians meddled in the election. The bigger question is, did they throw the American election? I would say not materially. Clinton did perfectly well losing without any Russian help the LAST time she ran (for nomination of her party) in 2008. What is her excuse for losing THAT time? This woman can't accept responsibility because that would mean she would have to accept that AMERICANS DON'T WANT HER. Impossible!
Look, I don't think any honest person can deny the Russians meddled in the election. The bigger question is, did they throw the American election?
That is hard (impossible?) to answer conclusively, but they likely did not. Clinton lost the election all by herself, IMHO.
The problem is that a) it appears that Russia did indeed meddle in US elections and b) there's an active investigation about collusion between the Trump administration and Russian officials. That is the story here.
I'm sure the Russians are the only ones trying to hack elections.
We've moved from secretly hacking elections to directly stumping for candidates we like:
https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
I don't think Obama is a French citizen - why should he impose his opinion on the French people if for no other reason than to influence the outcome of that election?
I call cyber bullshit on this cyber report ...
It looks like Russia's patsies are out in force to make sure we ignore Russia's attack on our country's democracy.
Russia wants us to ignore their attack on our election so they can keep doing it.
If we step back and notice that a foreign country attacked the USA, and that we need to immediately secure our voting system, basic patriotism would compel us to act to secure our elections against foreign attacks.
Don't count on Donald Trump securing our voting machines any time soon. Trump is on Russia's payroll and only acts in their interest.
Donald Trump will continue undermining NATO but he'll never fight to secure our voting machines against Russian hacking. Wonder why...
> I don't think any honest person can deny the Russians meddled in the election.
Prove it.
Soviet "military intelligence" who normally did military spying tried to run a spy in the UK in the 1970's due to an accident of first contact.
.. "and what potential data from the victim could have been exfiltrated"
It ended in failure as the Soviet staff did not have the decades of skill to work long term with a person in the UK and all the emotional issues that result.
The write up of Russia/the Soviet Union ever using "military intelligence" in the West for activity seems more of an older US fantasy than reality.
Russia knows what its "military intelligence" can do and should not do. It learned that by losing one of its more productive spies in the UK in the 1970's.
Losing a good spy does not get "military intelligence" a lot of other direct attempts at spying again.
Why would the US be talking about one of the one groups in Russia that would not be used for spying in the West?
Every other spy agency in the world would notice that glaring mistake too and be wondering why the most simple lack of understanding of Russian's intelligence structure would be allowed to be presented as "news"?
The report does not "show the underlying “raw” intelligence on which the analysis is based".
"cautioned against drawing too big a conclusion"
Read down further and find the part about "not involved in vote tallying"
From not changing votes what ever happened did not even work well "unknown whether"
So some "spear-phishing" did not change the votes and did not seem to even get many other results.
Thats using some "military intelligence".
The quality of the effort was "“medium sophistication,” one that “practically any hacker can pull off.”" Note the use of the term "hacker".
"The actual voting machines aren’t going to be networked"
Finally any issues got talked about as been the everyday issues of "between the setup of the computers and the poll workers using them."
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Will Reality Winner live long enough to serve time in prison, or will they Seth Rich her?
The poor Bernie-fan is probably in for a rough ride either way.
The graph states that the operators were "probably within" the Russian GRU. In other words, there is no proof it was Russia. The article is poorly written and designed to be click-bait since it starts off as "Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack" instead of adding this important caveat.
On top of this, there is no proof this is actually a NSA document. Why would only parts of the document be blacked out, but other classified parts of the document not be?
The problem is that results like 2016 don't have any single cause. There are many things that had they been different could have changed the outcome.
Blame isn't like a hot potato: there's plenty for everyone. Clinton has her share of the blame. Her weak and passive messaging, and her over-reliance on dubious analytics in the face of clear field intelligence were both mistakes. Absent either of them and she would have won -- it was only a matter of swinging 100,000 strategically placed votes, about 1/100th of 1% of the votes cast.
This doesn't mean other things didn't cause her loss too, but the bottom line was that she was facing Donald Trump, a boorish reality TV clown and easily the stupidest and most ignorant man ever to win the presidency. She should have blown the doors of the election far beyond the reach of a few unlucky breaks or marginal meddling to matter.
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Report from the actual FBI on it.
IP Address listed, check. Which IP Address, they don't even make the claim it was a Russian IP Address. lols
Yes, I included the ACTUAL GIVEN EVIDENCE to date. The term IP Address is in there, but no claims of a Russian IP address being used. In fact they use the name GRIZZLY STEPPE, and them putting that name in the report apparently proves it was Russia. Not sure who Grizzly Steppe is, if they are related to Russia or not, or any evidence Grizzly was even involved.
So other than there being absolutely no evidence given to date, EVERY single leak is by an "anonymous source", and not a single intelligence official claiming anything when under oath, sure there is a ton of evidence. Not a single piece of which could be used in a court of law, but I get the distinct feeling you don't care if its true or not, you seem to be willing to accept made up evidence.
Video of president colluding with Russain President. Oh, you meant Trump, not Obama... Sorry.
Story of presidental candidate taking BRIBES from Russia to set foreign policy. Oh, sorry again. I forgot you meant Trump, not Clinton.
Did you have some evidence of Trump working with Russia? It sure looks like the DNC was working with them, not Trump. I provided links with evidence. Did you?
lols, poor snowflake
From the Intercept article linked:
"While the document provides a rare window into the NSAâ(TM)s understanding of the mechanics of Russian hacking, it does not show the underlying âoerawâ intelligence on which the analysis is based. A U.S. intelligence officer who declined to be identified cautioned against drawing too big a conclusion from the document because a single analysis is not necessarily definitive."
If one reads other articles by the Intercept, one finds that Glenn Greenwald, who works as editor at the Intercept and helped publicize the Snowden leaks, is of the informed opinion that Russia did not manipulate the US election, and that the whole claim was manufactured by the US intelligence, and that both political sides saw it easier to treat this well-established lie as if it was true than to publicly confront it.
Just look for the articles by Glenn Greenwald in Intercept. He has stated this explicitly a good time before Putin said the same thing (but in Putin's mouth, it was subtle pressure against the US intelligence community to stop attacking Russia).
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
It is the worst thing that ever happened to zillionaires. It was hard fought and heavily disliked, it took money right out of the pocket of those who stole too much. It is going back to where it started 200 years ago, or less.
Pre-programmed "education" for stupidity has left the the whole population unequipped to analyze what is happening.
Voting machines may sound like a good idea, if you ignore all the facts and what is at stake.
Democracy was not given, it was taken, with a lot of effort. It is now disappearing fast.
If this guy Trumpf was really elected, as the popular lore goes, these voters are not capable of understanding what is at stake. The guy is a fucking train-wreck in slow motion, and he will fuck us all up.
This seems like a lot of crying and hang wringing over standard operating procedures.
Did Russia try to penetrate our voting systems? Probably.
Did the US plant stuxnet in Iranian nuke plants? Probably
Did the US hack North Korean missile tests? Probably
Did the US capture German and UK government communications? Yes
Does the US try to penetrate Russian systems and generally hack every government and military computer on the planet 24x7? YES!
This is the way the world works, the way it has ALWAYS worked. It is naive and dangerous to think otherwise.
Our best response is to harden our systems and go on with life. Complete nothing burger.
Really? The publication which was created for the purpose of publishing Snowden's leaks is now getting material from NSA? Because NSA is what? Masochistic?
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Ah - a quote! What are you quoting? Have you seen some top secret orders that never made it to court or are you making it up?
The entire situation was infamous because he could not prove he was following orders - especially with the embezzlement for his own personal use. The only person that went to jail over the entire thing was the guy who took stolen money from North and built a fence for him. (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/06/opinion/oliver-north-fortunate-felon.html)
If the NSA report is accurate we owe the hacking to relatively naive and inept election officials ... They had to facilitate, unwittingly, the attempts. If they show this naivety on email spear phishing, what other security issues exist that have been exploited???
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
You sound mad your pony lost.
I don't care for Putin either.
But Russia DID NOT invade the Ukraine.
Victoria Nuland et al attempted to finance, train and encourage some local fascists and overturn the local government.
Destroying the country's cohesion, infrastructure, history, and future. Not to mention lots of innocent children and families.
Financed it all to the tune of billions - and that's what we call "regime change", otherwise known as "affecting foreign politics".
Which is apparently what everyone now accuses the USSR of doing.
When the USA does it, and they do it EVERYWHERE they can, it's ok, but when you even think that you're on the receiving end, you whine and point fingers.
Fuck off, you fucking hypocrits.
At least thats my take on it
because lying was never in their repertoire, right.
Security agencies raised several alarms about this before the election.
What did Obama do to stop it?
I guess after the US attacking democracy in so many other countries, one finally managed to return the favor.
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
but I do give a good god-fucking-damnit about whether some Russian military assholes
Why dont you want to investigate the Mexican military involvement in our elections?
..and before you say that nobody has ever claimed Mexican interference in our elections, the claim was made before our current President took office, when he suggested that literally millions of Mexican nationals illegally voted for Hillary.
This was before the "russia russia russia!" stance... this was during the "fake news! fake news! fake news!" stance. The DNC told the public about the NSA's findings months before the NSA did. Let that sink in.
Either the DNC released State Secrets to the public, or the NSA didn't tell the American public about this otherwise very important thing that wasn't a State Secret.
No matter what angle you look at this shit from, Hillary and the DNC are colluding with the NSA. Maybe there is a Russian story in here somewhere, but fuck... the big news is that if you take what the NSA and DNC have been saying at face value, then the NSA and DNC colluded together to fuck you over.
Let it sink it. Either they are honest and tried (past tense) to fuck you over, or they are dishonest and are trying (future tense) to fucking you over.
I'm as worried about Russian nationals as I am Mexican nationals. You, however, clearly have a bias. A bit of racism I detect? Why do you hate the Slavic race so much?
"His name was James Damore."
All political parties everywhere have dirty secrets or (equivalently) things that can be made to look like dirty secrets. We're all familiar with the line "give me six lines from the hand of the most honest of men, and I will find something in them to hang him," and it's even easier to hang people in the court of public opinion, but let's take an example:
The government gives a billion dollar aerospace contract to Boeing. There is a bidding process, but the requirements are such that only Boeing can meet them (including e.g. having a history of similar successful contracts). Is this corporate welfare, or is the government simply being diligent in making sure that they spend public money wisely?
The answer is whatever you want to make it look like. Politics is messy by nature, and even if you are the lone moral politician, it makes very little difference to your public perception.
The part that bothers me is not that the Dems were hacked, or that Trump was elected, or that Russia is succeeding in their plan to destabilize the US. The part that bothers me is that now other countries have seen that you can monkey with the American electoral process with impunity. That's not exactly going to deter people from trying. I'm sure that we would all have a fun time when (e.g.) China hacks party A in response to Russia hacking party B, but I'm not sure that democracy is best when foreign powers treat the American electorate as a football.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
In the wake of what Mr. Snowden did, show of hands by anyone who believes that a current NSA document was ' leaked ' by accident ?
Or do you think it might have been leaked to further the common narrative going around about those darned evil Russians :|
If the former, we shouldn't bother with classification ratings anymore as they appear to be a waste of time since we can find the information on the evening news.
I, however, am betting on the latter.
I guess someone has firm belief, that everyone should believe a lie if it's repeated multiple times. To add credibility, they call it "secret" report (available to everyone without request) and put the well trusted NSA label. We all trust NSA, don't we? The guys so paranoid, they installed surveillance bug into your Samsung Smart TV.
I think they abused the trust of people so many times, that blaming "Russian hackers" became the fastest way to lose credibility. Personally, I stop reading or listening once "Russia" is blamed, as I don't find it comfortable when journalist or politician thinks he can treat me like an idiot.
They raised her to become a person who'd, though only 9 or 10 when 9.11. happened, pick up Pashto, Farsi and Dari languages and join US Air Force as a linguist, where she served for 6 years.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06...
Not to mention the whole thing where they raised her to speak out about issues of public interest.
Such as evidence of attacks on the USA by a foreign government, while said attacks are denied by both the said foreign government - and the current USA administration which has landed the job in part thanks to said attacks.
At the expense of own liberty, job, future...
Some people really take that oath thing about "support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic" seriously.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
https://theintercept.com/2017/...
When informed that we intended to go ahead with this story, the NSA requested a number of redactions.
The Intercept agreed to some of the redaction requests after determining that the disclosure of that material was not clearly in the public interest.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Okay, so let's say they hacked a 100 election officials. What are the odds it would of swayed the election?
Zero, zip, nada. Let's be honest, that's a drop in the bucket. A small city like New Haven, CT may have 100 election officials. The nation has thousands upon thousands of local election officials.
If anything this sounds like a hacker group, sent out thousands of spear fishing emails. And about a 100 recipients happened to be local officials, poll workers, etc.
> a boorish reality TV clown and easily the stupidest and most ignorant man ever to win the presidency
Boorish, yes. Ignorant? Possibly. Stupid? Man. He got Donald Trump elected for president. FUCKING DONALD TRUMP. He outsmarted everyone, including Hillary Clinton who was good enough to do Whitewater and no go to prison, and even remain in politics.
And people don't seem to realize that all he had to do is go after the blue collar vote for it. Unbelievable.
All the more reason to keep the ballot boxes manual or very limited electronics.
You should be able to verify that your ballot is read correctly then the aggregations happen in small bunches.
Then the bunches may be sent over for the first counting. The recounting has to be able to be done manually.
Keep the hackers out. Don't for the "Our system is ultra secure" Bull.
I was afraid the Russians had infected Hillary Clinton and her team with mind-control technology that caused them to write a lot of incriminating emails and store them on an insecure server. It's a relief to know that all they did was execute a phishing campaign.
"Days before the election" is an odd time to spear-fish the election machine vendor. You want to do that months or years before the election so you can actually get your malware onto tallying machines or DRE machines. 33c3 talk goes over this threat model. Explanations:
- Russian fanbois.
- None of Defcon mob is trying to hack Russia's election? Why not?
- If state-sponsored Russians were doing something this politically risky, I would expect the NSA would need to go to greater lengths to attribute the attack, like malware within the Russian spy agency. Otherwise, "just use Tor." Fanbois on the other hand are happy for you to know where they're coming from, like graffiti artists.
- NSA fake news. Threats to the executive from the "deep state" have been prominent throughout this election cycle. They've tried to flog this story before, and it didn't stick. This may be Round 2 from their propaganda department. I'm more afraid of them than the Russians.
The intercept post is false - and much worse than that.
Begin quote from article linked below:
The NSA "intelligence report" the Intercept publishes along the piece does NOT show that "Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack". The document speaks of "cyber espionage operations" - i.e someone looked and maybe copied data but did not manipulate anything. Espionage via computer networks is something every nation in this world (and various private entities) do all the time. It is simply the collection of information. It is different from a "cyberattack" like Stuxnet which was intended to create large damage. ...
The "attack" by someone was standard spearfishing and some visual basic scripts to gain access to accounts of local election officials. Any minor criminal hacker uses similar means. No damage is mentioned in the NSA analysis. The elections were not compromised by this operation. The document notes explicitly (p.5) that the operation used some techniques that distinguish it from other known Russian military intelligence operations. It might have been done by someone else.
The reporters note that the document does not provide any raw intelligence. It is an analysis based on totally unknown material. It does NOT include any evidence for the claims it makes.
The Intercept piece describes how the document was received and "verified":
The top-secret National Security Agency document, which was provided anonymously to The Intercept and independently authenticated, ... ...
The NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence were both contacted for this article. Officials requested that we not publish or report on the top secret document and declined to comment on it. When informed that we intended to go ahead with this story, the NSA requested a number of redactions. The Intercept agreed to some of the redaction requests.
(MY COMMENT: anyone with brains god gave bastard geese in Ireland should understand that the above IS NOT verification of the facts - it is only a verification that the document in question is classified top secret.) ...
The piece quotes at length the well known cyber security expert Bruce Schneier. It neglects to reveal that Schneier is a major partisan for Clinton who very early on, in July 2016, jumped on her "Russia hacked the Democratic National Council" claim for which there is still no evidence whatsoever.
end quote.
For a more complete analysis of this yet-another-failed-attempt to mislead the public into "The Russians did it" by the very same people who brought you Iraq's Weapons of Mass destruction read the following.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47191.htm
In 2010, Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, was one of nine federal agency heads (Did all nine get massive bribes?) to sign off on Russia’s purchase of a controlling stake in Uranium One, an international mining company headquartered in Canada with operations in several U.S. states. It was part of a regular process for approving international deals involving strategic assets, such as uranium, that could have implications for national security. Uranium One’s U.S. mines produced about 11 percent of the country’s total uranium production in 2014, according to Oilprice.com.
But even with its control of Uranium One, Russia cannot export the material from the United States. Russia was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer.
Please show us the records of this huge deposit of cash to the Clinton Foundation that resulted in the State Department's approval. On what grounds could the State Department have refused approval, bear in mind that the courts would have become involved.
All the stats were off. The outcome wasn't as expected not because the math was wrong but because the Russian hacking variable wasn't included in any of the analyses. Who gives a shit about little finger and the hag, the biggest issue is how so many analysts were wrong. Now we know. Great work NSA leaker. I hope people care about you as much as they did about Manning and White hair. Free Winner!
You might want to talk to Congress about those requests to improve embassy security. Congress, whether controlled by Democrats or Republicans, has routinely slashed the State Department's requests for funding to increase embassy security for over 50 years. But yeah it was all Hillary's fault.
Shut up, faggot.
So, you start to understand why we voted for Trump.
Trump is almost everything I hate, but still better in the office than Hillary. Now that evil, competent, back-stabbing politician would have been very dangerous.
You are speaking like a Trump "supporter", you just don't realize it yet.
She lost the election and her swarm is in attack mode.
Stupid? Man. He got Donald Trump elected for president. FUCKING DONALD TRUMP. He outsmarted everyone
Interesting you should mention that. I just finish Hannah Arendt's Eichmann in Jersusalem, about the trial of the notorious SS officer. It turns out that many Nazis made exactly the argument you make here. They believed Hitler had to have been a genius because he started out as an army corporal and ended up Chancellor. But if you look at what Hitler did after he become chancellor you can only conclude that he was a fool. He made blunder after blunder, ending in total ruin for the country and suicide for himself.
How do you reconcile the fact he was a fool with his success as a politician? Well, like anyone who reaches the top spot, he had a few lucky breaks. In the economic chaos of a worldwide depression, a lot of voters were looking for someone to shake things up. Even so he wasn't really in a position to win the chancellorship, in fact support for the Nazis was declining. But business interests, convinced Hitler was just a populist clown, convinced President Hindenburg that Hitler would be a useful tool. That was a huge mistake. They underestimated, not his brilliance, but his ruthless disregard for legal constraint.
So political success is no guarantee a man is not a fool. History has shown that repeatedly.
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Next it will go from "It was the Russian government" to "it was someone using an IP from Russia"...
Actually if you read the report the C&C server for this attack was a US IP address running Windows Server. There is nothing in the report to support the fact that the attack if it really happened actually came from the Russians. No evidence. None. It "says" it was the Russians but I can also say that I saw a fairy riding a unicorn accross my yard but that doesn't make it true.
I've worked in Internet Security for over 20 years as an analyst and pen tester. I write reports like this for a living but I must include evidence to support every claim I make in the report. This report is full of claims but no evidence. The only small piece of evidence leads to the US (US IP address). Yes this piece is small and we all know how to pivot off a box so this isn't much for evidence. If I turned in a report like this I would get fired and rightly so.
Please remember the exposure of CIA tools used to make code "look" Russian.
Let's not forget that during this time the DHS tried to hack the Sec. of State networks of 9 different states. Georgia was the state which first found this and the evidence in the report put out by the state clearly shows the attack came from an IP leased to DHS. Hard evidence that the US not the Russians attempted to hack the elections. Yes I have read the Georgia report and the attack is very real yet there is nothing in the news about this and no further investigation that I know of.
Remember you can trust your government ask any Indian.
There is a long list of other Clinton fuckups that you left off your list -- totally self-inflicted ones. The basic fact is that Clinton is a crappy politician. She rode in on her husband's coattails and when she couldn't convert that to a Democratic nomination, her post of Sec of State was given to her by the man who beat her. She's a nagging, entitled bitch with no scruples or honesty--but so are all politicians. Her problem is that she can't hide it!
DAYS before an election, SOMEBODY using a (presumably non-spoofed) Russian IP address phished some campaign officials????
REALLY?
Um, voter materials are mailed out WEEKS or even MONTHS before an election. Any last minute tampering of the voter rolls (and there's NO EVIDENCE that any even happened) would have NO FLIPPING EFFECT! In fact, last year Obama himself ridiculed the very IDEA of hacking an American election given that each state runs its own and none are connected to the net, all use their own systems and schemes for verifying voters and doing re-counts etc. Obama himself (who was apparently an infallible demigod up until 8 months ago) pointed out that all the dissimilarities and non-connected nature of allthis made hacking an election IMPOSSIBLE.
Now somebody claims that somebody in Russia tried the same sort of attack on some local voting officials that Gizmodo recently tried on members of the Trump administration, and we are supposed to freak-out and believe that the election was obviosly HACKED.
I keep thinking that the Obama-Clinton supporters' mass fever will break and they will return to the normal behavior of civilized people whose candidate loses an election - getting on with their lives, grumbling a little, and looking for a better candidate for next time. Instead, they seem to be in the death-grip of a political form of Ebola which has them bleeding from every orifice and from which they may never recover. They would be insane with outrage if their opponents had ever treated Obama and his family, staff and supporters, HALF as badly.
It was only a few months ago that Hillary Clinton got cheers from her supporters and the press and pundits when she ranted that Trump would be a "threat to our democracy" if he did not accept the election results. I guess it was all different when everybody was certain she would win...
Keep waving that flag, dude. The entire point of this article is to show how trump didn't win shit. He got the Russians to do it. He's a dumbass, plain and simple.
Keep living in fantasy land, buddy. Trump DID win and IS president whether you like it or not.
Don't waste your energy fighting in your mind a war that is already OVER.
and because of that russia can't have interfered HOW? Some magic forcefield?
Clinton got almost 3 million more votes than Trump. The USA is not a representative democracy.
Even with the messed up system we have in the USA, Clinton might have won if votes weren't siphoned off by the Green Party. Isn't it interesting that when Michael Flynn sat next to Putin in Moscow, the only other american at the table was Jill Stein - the Green Party presidential candidate (in 2012 and 2016). http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
To emphasise this point: Michael Bloomberg publicly stated that he did not run as an independent because although he felt he would win the popular vote, and get the most electoral votes, he could not get the 270 electoral votes needed to win which would mean the House of Representatives would elect the president (and it wouldn't be him).
We are locked into this two party system which is the most depressing thing about this whole mess.
Your argument is sinking.
First off the mexican military aren't the same thing as mexican nationals. Second, Trump says a LOT of things that aren't remotely associated with what really happened.
The DNC told the public about the NSA's findings months before the NSA did.
You see absolutely no difference between accusations and reality do you? The DNC pointed the finger at Russia. That's different than the publishing NSA's secret information. But to you, if Trump accuses mexicans, that's it, it must be true. IF the DNC accuses Russia, that's it, they must have colluded with the NSA.
You're a complete nut that's disconnected from reality. Props to you for getting an accurate representative government. That's... actually quite the feat.
"While the document provides a rare window into the NSA’s understanding of the mechanics of Russian hacking, it does not show the underlying “raw” intelligence on which the analysis is based. "
Do you really think a trained spymaster like Putin would just roll his eyes and smile sheepishly and tell Kelly, "Aw, shucks! You nailed me, fair and square!" But it seems a chorus of Republican and conservative pundits are all-out to back up this narcissist, paranoid, megalomaniac no matter what all the investigations find. In the age-old response of every politician to bad news: throw up a smokescreen of counter accusations and diversionary activities to delay and deflect. Hopefully, these information wars will make everyone stronger and smarter, and less likely to be confused by demagogues and would-be petty dictators and their supporting cronies.
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