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Offensive Trademarks Must Be Allowed, Rules Supreme Court (arstechnica.com)

In a ruling that could have broad impact on how the First Amendment is applied in other trademark cases in future, the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday threw out a federal prohibition on disparaging trademarks as a constitutional violation in a ruling involving a band called The Slants. From a report: The opinion in Matal v. Tam means that Simon Tam, lead singer of an Asian-American rock band called "The Slants," will be able to trademark the name of his band. It's also relevant for a high-profile case involving the Washington Redskins, who were involved in litigation and at risk of being stripped of their trademark. The court unanimously held that a law on the books holding that a trademark can't "disparage... or bring... into contemp[t] or disrepute" any "persons, living or dead," violates the First Amendment. Tam headed to federal court years ago after he was unable to obtain a trademark. In 2015, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit ruled in Tam's favor, finding that the so-called "disparagement clause" of trademark law was unconstitutional.

253 comments

  1. So the constitution does still matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of the few times the constitution still matters in the free speech arena these days

    1. Re:So the constitution does still matter by kelanos · · Score: 1

      So the constitution does still matter

      Actually this story is an example of how it does not matter.

      Having to run to the court for permission to say anything on the "PC" borderline....in this case not even that....this is exactly what the first amendment was designed to prevent....

    2. Re:So the constitution does still matter by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      IANAL. I read the article but not the ruling.

      I am not sure how this is a victory for free speech ruling. A trademark restricts everyone's ability to use the speech in question. If naming my band is speech, if I pay the government I get to restrict anyone else's speech to name their band with the same name. So, restricting 300 million people's speech in favor of a single person's speech with authority of law. A victory for free speech would have struck down trademarks entirely. Now trademarks are not unconstitutional because the first amendment is not without any restriction and we can argue there is an important government need under the commerce clause to provide trademarks to help prevent confusion in the marketplace.

      So, allowing offensive trademarks increases the scope of speech that trademarks may restrict. There might be some reasoning that if the government is allowed to have a free speech carve out for trademarks then that carve out has to be generic as to the content of the speech. That might be reasonable,

      When I get some time I want to read the ruling instead of an article about the ruling to see how the justices reconcile the paradox of increasing the scope of speech that trademarks can restrict on first amendment grounds.

  2. Are license plates next? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    I've wanted I(heart)269 on my car since California added their little set of additional characters

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    1. Re:Are license plates next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see you're in the 'happy drunk' phase of the day, amirite?

    2. Re:Are license plates next? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I see you're in the 'happy drunk' phase of the day, amirite?

      No, you are as incorrect as you are cowardly.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Are license plates next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of a better one that means the same.

    4. Re:Are license plates next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try "RCRPRC8"

    5. Re:Are license plates next? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Nope, that's my gig. He handles the night shift.

      Which explains our hate for each other. Were we both on the same drinking schedule this might be different.

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    6. Re:Are license plates next? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure smoking gun collected the 'no' list of ego plates, a good decade ago. People with sticks in uncomfortable places have surely made the list grow a little since, but still, done.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:Are license plates next? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I've wanted I(heart)269 on my car since California added their little set of additional characters

      Emoji license plate characters? Is there a finger?

    8. Re:Are license plates next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      suck it, bitch

    9. Re:Are license plates next? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      A lady had her tribute to tofu repealed after years of use: ILUVTOFU

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    10. Re:Are license plates next? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Off the top of my head, there are a heart, a hand, and a (filled) pentagram. Ah yes, and a plus sign. That one is probably the least used. They only appear on California "kids" plates, which have flowers across the bottom of the character field. California also has California Agriculture plates with a crappy picture of a field, Environmental plates which are just white, Memorial plates which are all patriotic n' shit, Arts Council plates with some palm trees, California 1960s Legacy plates in black and yellow which look cool on black cars and stupid on everything else, Whale Tail plates where the whole background is a whale tail coming out of the ocean, Collegiate plates with a UCLA logo, Lake Tahoe Conservancy plates with a stupid mountain scene in the background, Yosemite Conservancy plates with a different stupid mountain scene, Firefighter plates with a fireman, Veterans' Organizations plates with a broad variety of logos, Pet Lovers plates with a picture of the kind of animal they like to fuck, California Museums plates with Snoopy on them, and starting 2018, pink plates to celebrate titty cancer.

      What a shit-show.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    11. Re:Are license plates next? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You couldn't have that, because it's eight letters long, and you're not allowed more than seven. But you could (theoretically) have a CA KIDS plate which says I(heart)TOFU. I'm not sure if the heart counts as 1.5 or 2 characters, but ISTR that it is one of those things. You are allowed seven characters on a CA KIDS plate.

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    12. Re:Are license plates next? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I want to be honest with my tag - FT LONG.

      Well, maybe I exaggerate a couple of inches, but you'll never get the chance to find out.

    13. Re:Are license plates next? by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      License plates are issued by the government and are protected as "government speech". The Court ruled on this issue two years ago.

    14. Re:Are license plates next? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Come to VA. We've got over 200 specialty plates...here's a link to some of them.
      https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/v...

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    15. Re:Are license plates next? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Virginia does allow eight letters on some personalized plates. You can look up the "Drive Smart" plate for example.

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  3. Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One man's hate speech is another man's free speech. Waste of the court's time.

    1. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0

      "Hate Speech" doesn't exist.

      It's all Free Speech.

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    2. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by XXongo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Hate Speech" doesn't exist.
      It's all Free Speech.

      Hate speech most certainly does exist. Just because it's protected by the first amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    3. Re: Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Free speech isn't to say that flowers are pretty, it is to make claims people in power of any sort have dispute with.

    4. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hate speech most certainly does exist. Just because it's protected by the first amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      There is ONLY speech....how you perceive it is completely your opinion.

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    5. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

      Of course hate speech exists. But that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

    6. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Hate Speech" doesn't exist.

      It's all Free Speech.

      Wrong way of looking at it.

      "Hate speech" is the important subset of free speech. You don't need a constitution to protect inoffensive speech.

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    7. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://goatse.cx (tm)

    8. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Except that there are other limits to speech outside of hate speech.

      You cannot threaten public officials and expect to use the First Amendment as a dodge for criminal charges. You cannot yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire, and expect to use the First Amendment as a dodge for criminal charges.

      Then there's inciting to riot, "fighting words"....

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    9. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by torkus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hate speech most certainly does exist. Just because it's protected by the first amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      There is ONLY speech....how you perceive it is completely your opinion.

      This. And I've spent countless hours trying to bang it into peoples' heads.

      You can disagree or dislike what someone says, but they can say the same about you. One can (easily IMHO) argue that all the 'if you support trump you're an idiot/bigot/rapist/etc.' is hate speech. It's directly targeting and disparaging a group of people who share a different personal view of something. No one gets to decide what kind of speech is good vs. bad and still have freedom of speech. It can't exist that way.

      Yes, there are some obvious call-outs to like that such as screaming 'fire' when there isn't one...but frankly you could still consider that free speech then charge the person with reckless endangerment or something.

      I hate black people and think they should all be euthanized. Hate speech? Substitute 'black people' for cattle ranchers and now you're PETA promoting animal welfare. Substitute for pit bulls and you're politicians promoting safety for children. The examples are endless. I might think you're scum for some of your opinions but I'll still support your right to share them. Oh, and no, I don't support the 'righteous' morons who think violence is an acceptable response to speech they disagree with.

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    10. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there's inciting to riot, "fighting words"....

      You are inciting us to violence against you.

      Care to rethink your position now?

    11. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can. It's a common fallacious argument made by people who admit there should be restrictions on speech.

      If you look under indictments for people who have said these things, there's no charge against "saying the wrong thing". But you'll find plenty about assault, threats to national security, or inciting public turmoil.

      There aren't restrictions on the speech itself. You're also allowed to own a weapon, it doesn't mean you can legally walk around pointing it at random people.

      In summary, there shouldn't ever be any restrictions on speech and there is no reason to.

    12. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in violation of free speech tropes #2 and #7:

      https://www.popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-censorship-tropes-in-the-medias-coverage-of-free-speech-controversies/

    13. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to be clear, "care to rethink your position now" was not meant as a threat, it was meant to make you realize that, under your current logic, you would have no recourse against those who would assault you, because your "fighting words" incited us to do it, therefore they are innocent and you would be the guilty party.

    14. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Completely wrong on both

    15. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANK YOU or actually keeping the "when there is no fire" in the shouting FIRE in a crowded theater bit, so many people truncate that piece, and it annoys the hell out of me, since that changes the context so much.

    16. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Indeed. People need outlets for their stress and anger, lest they snap and do something truly harmful. I may not want to hear someone spewing their hateful ideas, but I'd much rather they speak those ideas than act upon them.

      Repression does not work and only leads to much more grandiose acts when the repressed party finally reaches their breaking point. For example, a racist who can't speak out about his irrational hated of Black people for fear of being charged with a hate crime; having no outlet for his hate and anger, he will eventually act upon those pent up emotions and violently assault or murder one or more members of the group he so despises.

      Better to just let them blow off steam IMO.

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    17. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch out! Internet tough guy!

    18. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      It does not matter if you truncate it not, it is equally wrong in both cases.

      There is a difference between your speech and the consequences of your speech. There are no laws against yelling fire in a theater, whether or not there is a fire. But there ARE laws against things like reckless endangerment. If you yell fire and cause a stampede and people are injured, then you are likely to be charged with reckless endangerment, not because you said some prohibited word but because you actually endangered people.

    19. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I hate all nerds with a 7 digit UID.

      Go ahead and classify that shit, you weak-minded weak-willed bitch.

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    20. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either I'm not following your argument correctly, or you're flat out wrong.

      Assault can be carried out entirely with words. Assault is the THREAT of violence. Battery is the employment of it.
      A physical threat made with only words can constitute assault.

      Are you saying that there are not, and should not, be any consequences for the speaking of any phrases whatsoever?
      Because if so, go ahead and try making verbal or written threats on public officials (please don't actually do this) and see what happens.

      Free speech does not extend the the encouragement, endorsement, or threat of acts of violence.

    21. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Actually I'd say THE "important subset" of free speech is political speech. It's perhaps taken for granted today, but the right to speak your mind and disagree politically is paramount. Don't get me wrong: I'm NOT arguing for censoring offensive speech. But mostly I support protecting it because there is sometimes an intersection between offensive speech and political speech. The freedom is about expressing opinions without the government locking you in jail, not just about the right to insult people in the most heinous way imaginable.

    22. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 2

      Free speech does not extend the the encouragement, endorsement, or threat of acts of violence.

      Sure it does. Certainly any degree of "encouragement" or "endorsement" in the form of speech would not justify a violent response. Threats likewise, though there is a caveat: if your speech gives someone the impression that they are facing an imminent threat of irreversible harm, it would not be unreasonable for them to respond preemptively to counter that threat. That would simply be self-defense; the response is justified by the anticipated act of violence, not by the act of speech.

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    23. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there are some obvious call-outs to like that such as screaming 'fire' when there isn't one...but frankly you could still consider that free speech then charge the person with reckless endangerment or something.

      It's funny you phrase it that way, since yelling fire in a theater isn't illegal.
      There is no criminal law saying it is, and thus it isn't possible for such a non-existing law to be constitutional or not.

      The only primary charges anyone has ever received for yelling fire in a theater are "reckless endangerment" and "inciting a panic".

      If it was illegal to yell fire in a theater then any time when there actually IS a fire and anyone attempted to warn anyone else, charges would need to be brought up and then dismissed due to extenuating circumstances. This has never happened in the history of the US.

      Warning people of a fire that actually exists also just happens to not qualify as endangering anyone or inciting a panic.
      (Any panic or endangerment is caused by the fire, not the person warning others of it)

    24. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      But you'll find plenty about assault, threats to national security, or inciting public turmoil. ... There aren't restrictions on the speech itself.

      "Assault" can be nothing more than speech. Classification as a "threat to national security" may be based on nothing more substantial than something you said. "Inciting public turmoil" usually amounts to making a speech the authorities don't care for. All of these "crimes" are restrictions on the speech itself and a violation of the 1st Amendment.

      There shouldn't be any restrictions on speech... but in practice, as the law is currently written and interpreted, there are.

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    25. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Nobody said that there aren't any consequences. The question is whether or not it is ILLEGAL to say or write those words. And it is not. Sure, you may get a visit from some not too friendly Secret Service types. You may be put on a watch list. You may be surveilled day and night for indications that you are putting your threat into action (which is of course illegal). Won't you WON'T be is arrested, tried, and convicted of merely saying or writing some words.

    26. Re: Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, assault is attempted battery.
      Throwing objects, missing.
      Actually that's wrong too because for some reason every state defines it differently!
      TL;DR: get a lawyer

    27. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by lgw · · Score: 1

      All controversial speech is political, because of human nature: we try to suppress what annoys, disgusts, or offends us.

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    28. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...there are some obvious call-outs to like that such as screaming 'fire' when there isn't one...

      No, no, a thousand times no. The boundaries of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment are rather well defined. What's more, SCOTUS is _unwilling_ to expand those boundaries.

      The "Giving False Fire Warnings in A Crowded Theater" example is a _particularly_ bad one. Read this for an overview of what is and is not protected speech: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-white-first-amendment-slogans-20170608-story.html

      and _please_ read this for an in-depth examination of the "Fire!" quote. (The quote's author was himself a Supreme Court Justice. He later grew to _greatly_ regret the quote and the decision in which he wrote it.) https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/

    29. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      All controversial speech is political, because of human nature: we try to suppress what annoys, disgusts, or offends us.

      Okay, but that requires a definition of "political" that's likely a lot more broad than most people think of. All controversial speech is SOCIAL -- I'll grant you that. But yelling an insult at your neighbor is not (by most people's definitions) a "political" act. It may be offensive to your neighbor and to other people who hear it, but that doesn't automatically make it "political."

      Political, according to standard dictionary definitions has something to do with government. Insulting your neighbor (even in a rather offensive way) because you don't like the color of his shirt has nothing to do with the government.

    30. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you look up the case of Radio Milles Collines to see how that played out in Rwanda?

      I know - that's a gambit to avoid a Godwin right there. But it's appropriate.

    31. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by torkus · · Score: 1

      If it exists, then clearly define it.

      If your definition is so broad that it encompasses a large portion of speech already, then perhaps some existing definitions are better suited and the term is useless. Kind of like 'assault weapon'

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    32. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by torkus · · Score: 1

      Well when people are trying to criminalize 'hate speech' then yes, you do need to refer back to the constitution.

      There's no hate speech. There's just stuff some people don't want to hear so they've tried to force their views onto others and restrict speech illegally.

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    33. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate speech most certainly does exist. Just because it's protected by the first amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      There is ONLY speech....how you perceive it is completely your opinion.

      You are a moron for thinking that, and should be tarred and feathered for saying it.

    34. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does knowing that it originates from an analogy used to punish a man handing out anti-draft pamphlets change the context too?

    35. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      Um, actually, you might be. There are people in prison for speech that was ruled as intended to precipitate illegal acts. Often without the illegal acts ever occurring.

      If you make a speech saying "Someone ought to shoot that stupid SOB!" and then someone DOES actually shoot him, you are at the mercy of the prosecutor, especially in the Feds. Especially if the 'victim' is a member of a protected class.

      I remember a guy who was convicted for preaching on some private church Facebook page that someone should kill his ex-wife. One of the appeals courts overturned the conviction because he had previously unfriended everyone on the page in question - he thought nobody was reading it. He still spent a couple of years in jail/prison, though.

    36. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      In the Feds you can be convicted even if there is no 'actual' harm. If the victim of your hate-speech 'reasonably' felt threatened, you are at risk of conviction. Note that this depends on a state existing in the head of someone who heard your speech.

    37. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Being threatened IS 'actual' harm, legally speaking. And once again, you are not being punished for your speech, you are being punished for the consequences of your speech.

      And your last sentence is just silly. ALL threats, including pointing a gun at someone, are dependant 'on a state existing in the head...'. The question becomes 'what did YOU do to cause that state?'

    38. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by lgw · · Score: 1

      olitical, according to standard dictionary definitions has something to do with government.

      So nice to know the workplace is entirely politics free, then. That's a relief. But maybe you meant to say "power". And mobs also have power.

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    39. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Free speech does not extend the the encouragement, endorsement, or threat of acts of violence.

      Sure it does. For example, if someone were giving a speech to a political rally and said "I think that all of the #minority# should be rounded up and shot." that would be protected free speech.

      If the same person at the same rally were to say "Hey, see that guy over there! He's a #minority# go grab him and shoot him in the head!", that would not be protected free speech. That would be an act of criminal solicitation or perhaps even inducement.

      LK

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    40. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If all speech is the same, interpreted by the perceiver, then why do we have book reviews? Those exist to tell us what forms of printed speech we are likely to want to read. The only reasonable conclusion is that words have meanings.

      In the real world, people use speech to proclaim hatred for others and encourage such hatred in their listeners. Fortunately, that's a fairly minor use, but it exists. That's hate speech.

      It's legal of course, and I wouldn't want it to be illegal, but there are different kinds of speech.

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    41. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If it exists, then clearly define it.

      There are things that exist and can't be clearly defined. Try clearly defining "game" in a way that excludes most things we would not think of as games and includes things we do call games. Make sure it includes baseball, World of Warcraft, Dungeons & Dragons, chess, and the "Great Game" power struggle between Britain and Russia over Afghanistan and neighboring areas, to start with, and is compatible with "gaming the system".

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    42. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might want to stop giving incorrect legal advice because you're clearly speaking out of your league.

    43. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to argue that Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was more of an expert on the law than you,

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    44. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      At least look up what you're talking about if you're going to argue against it.

      The actual quote from Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, was "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater". Which blows away the rest of your drivel.

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    45. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      The boundary of free speech is wherever SCOTUS defines it, and since the quote was attributed to a Justice, I'd suggest you reevaluate your position.

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    46. Re:Can we stop caring about this? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      SCOTUS says they don't need to define it...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  4. Wait, they got one right? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't know if The Slants meant their name as disparaging or not, but I'm glad that the Supreme Court actually took a unanimous stance in favor of free speech. In these days of extreme political correctness/social justice warrior activism, I am surprised it wasn't a 5/4 or 6/3 split. If you think I'm being dramatic, you can look to our English speaking neighbors to the north & east to see how bad it's getting.

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    1. Re:Wait, they got one right? by es330td · · Score: 1

      I think the justices recognized that one cannot have discourse of any kind if speech is prohibited. Once a group can determine what is or is not allowed, the line gets very subjective in a hurry. As things get more contentious, the freedom "to call a spade a spade" must be inviolate.

      (Yes, I chose that reference on purpose, specifically to illustrate the point. The phrase dates to the 1500's and is exactly representative of the speech SJW's would ban simply because they take offense when none is intended or given.)

    2. Re: Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The name is meant to mock the racist term "slant". But regardless of intent, this is a GIANT first amendment victory, most especially because of the stance taken by the liberal judges. A unanimous ruling is very calming on this, does a lot to eliminate my fears of the anti first amendment push done by some leftist extremists.

    3. Re:Wait, they got one right? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Slants are Asian Americans. They're aware of the current disparaging connotation and are used it to try to overcome it.

      Planet Money had a great podcast episode on this. One of the biggest parts for the Slants was when RBG said "hey, what if they want to take this word back"

    4. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      The government acknowledged the band was using it in a positive way. They maintained, though, that some Asians would find it offensive anyway.

      The SC rejected all such reasons as being relevant. Indeed, it is the offensive things that are most in need of First Amendment protection.

      This case is one of several in recent years rejecting "It is a special program created by Congress to bring financial benefits, and therefore Congress may restrict speech in it as a requirement for citizens to take advantage."

      The People take their freedom of speech with them wherever they go. This is quite enheartening.

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    5. Re:Wait, they got one right? by bongey · · Score: 1

      The Slants are all Asian-Americans , so it was a bit of self deprecating humor. Part of the reason some justices ruled the "restriction constituted an impermissible viewpoint-based restriction."

    6. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in my day, the religious right got all in a tiff whenever someone blasphemed on TV, or said "Happy Holidays" instead of the traditional christian greeting.

      The more things change the more they stay the same, only now it's the other side bitching.

    7. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, this is exactly the problem with stopping free speech. It allows narcissistic tyrants to suppress legitimate speech by mischaracterizing it as "hate speech." I would argue that no one suffers more from the taboo of discussing all things "black" than black people themselves. We've gotten to the point where white people are afraid to even advocate for black people, lest they be attacked for "appropriation" or accused of trying to understand what they cannot. The only way to take away power from words like the N-word is to simply water them down. Let people say the N word. Hell, go say "mackerel smacker" and see who gets offended. No one. The power of Irish slurs is basically gone, and free use is a major part of that.

      A marketplace of ideas, like other marketplaces, must be open and transparent if it is to be fair. Full stop.

    8. Re:Wait, they got one right? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is also the effective way to "take a word back". You not only take it back, you have to wear it proudly and eliminate the negative connotations. It's like when people started being proud about the geek/nerd label.

      "Hey nerd, what's up!" "Happily being a nerd! You?"

      You can't do that if you still police it as offensive though. "Hey Nerd!" "How dare you call me that! Only nerds can call other nerds a nerd!" That isn't taking it back, that's reinforcing the negative power of the word.

    9. Re:Wait, they got one right? by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      And no charges were laid, the police investigated and found nothing worthwhile. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-13218522

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    10. Re:Wait, they got one right? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Same here.

      Seemingly for ONCE in the last 30-40 years (I'm 50) I see the forces of "it's not the job of the government to protect your hurt feelings" have won one.

      My goodness that's refreshing.

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    11. Re:Wait, they got one right? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      In these days of extreme political correctness/social justice warrior activism, I am surprised it wasn't a 5/4 or 6/3 split.

      So it's not the government oppressing you then which means you're basically complaining about people using their free speech wrong. I guess it's your right as an American protected under the first amendment to have a complete irony bypass.

      see how bad it's getting.

      Oh look, a Daily Fail link.

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    12. Re:Wait, they got one right? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      So it's not the government oppressing you then which means you're basically complaining about people using their free speech wrong. I guess it's your right as an American protected under the first amendment to have a complete irony bypass.

      I think you're having a reading comprehension issue, your reply makes no sense.

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    13. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, but in fact it was unanimous. Is that going to influence your priors? Or are you going to react as if your parallel universe is the real one? As for our anglophonic neighbors, they don't have a Bill of Rights, or a restriction on gov't's ability to restrict speech. One of the things that makes America great.
      I'm no lawyer (much less a constitutional expert), but there was nothing preventing the Slants from calling themselves the Slants, or publicizing it or using it on flyers or anything. Their speech was not restricted in any way, nor would it have been had they lost the case.
      Now they get to prevent other bands from calling themselves the Slants. So... victory?

    14. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an interesting argument. You may be right.

      I'm inclined to argue, based on that most-hated-by-people-with-social-power argument, that there are people with social power who should have more restrictions on them than those with less social power. By that logic, nerds could use the words, but jocks (for ex) ought not.

      Of course, people with social power deny that any such thing as social power exists; that they are treated any differently by gov'tal agencies, police, or institutions such as banking, for instance. This is coupled with the myth that, until Obama, we lived in a "color-blind" society. That myth enabled whites to maintain privilege while preventing non-whites from complaining about it, because then they were playing the "race card."

      Emboldened by Obama's presidency, non-whites began to be more vociferous about negative treatment, including, say, being shot to death for being scary to white cops. This began to be called "identity politics," and frowned upon. After all, the rule under the "color blind" regime was one ought not discuss racial things, and if you just said "please and thank you" enough, everything would be fine.

      I am often reminded that for many Americans, this is a nation of a proud defiant white people, and a careful, patient, endlessly polite, obsequious brown people. White people with foreign accents will be taken on a case-by-case basis.

    15. Re:Wait, they got one right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Now you can hurt people's feelings, and they have no recourse! Of course they can hit you, then you can feel all oppressed.

  5. Simon Tam, you are hereby no longer bound by law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't stop the signal.

  6. A good example of bad laws. by timrod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Realistically, the anti-disparagement law only lasted this long because Obama's administration wanted it to so they could use it against the Redskins. I don't think there are too many people who care about an Asian-American rock group naming themselves "The Slants" - after all, there's really nothing inherently disparaging about the word "slant" unless you're using it as part of a slur ("slant-eyed").

    This is really a case of the government trying to screw over the little guy because of a broader policy agenda (namely forcing the Redskins to change their name).

    1. Re:A good example of bad laws. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Regardless, if it gets to the point where you're not allowed to be disparaging toward yourself - something has gone too far. This trademark wouldn't even be disparaging to non-members of the band, if it were disparaging at all.

    2. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless of this case, I'm proud that the US Supreme Court has remained pretty steadfast, regardless of decade or administration, on the rights of free speech.

      This is in glaring contrast to what is now the narrative being taught to millennials and younger generations in both primary and higher education. Have you noticed the creeping usage of the term hate speech. I have. And you'd be surprised at what many younger folks consider it to be (hint - basically anything they don't agree with).

      If so, you should hope the Supreme Court stays the course on the 1st Amendment.

    3. Re:A good example of bad laws. by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you are correct. If there is a political agenda, the judges normally vote along party line. If there are no politics involved, the courts will default towards the letter of the law.

      People have been redefining acceptable free speech for so many political views, they don't think about the legal impacts. As if only politically correct acceptable speech should be allowed, that's not how free speech works.

    4. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Realistically, the anti-disparagement law only lasted this long because Obama's administration wanted it to so they could use it against the Redskins.

      The anti-disparagement clause is part of 15 USC 1052(a), and was in the first version of the Lanham Act, passed in 1946, and signed by Truman. It has remained the same over the past 71 years, and Congress, not the President, has the power to change it or keep it.
      Trying to make this about Obama is just stupid, particularly when the first case about this - Pro-Football, Inc. v. Harjo - was decided in 2005 during Bush Jr.'s presidency. And it's even stupider, because that case stemmed from a petition to cancel the Redskins' trademark in 1992, during Clinton's first term. This has been an active dispute for 25 years.

    5. Re:A good example of bad laws. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      This is really a case of the government trying to screw over the little guy because of a broader policy agenda (namely forcing the Redskins to change their name).

      . . . speaking of screwing over the little guy, "The Slits" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... never had this problem.

      Once again, it's one rule for "The Slits" and another rule for "The Slants" . . .

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    6. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should hope the Supreme Court stays the course on the 1st Amendment

      That will be true only until the "microaggressions" generation is of the age to be supreme court justices. A few more decades at best, then we've lost the 1st like we have lost the 4th and some others.

    7. Re: A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ruined the 2 minute hate!

    8. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, just go to Europe and discover http://www.redskins.eu/ !

    9. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      b..b...b...b...
      something
      something
      everything is that obama's fault.
      don't you read the #fakenews?

    10. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually...while what you said is accurate, you left out a really important and pertinent point. The executive can direct the federal agencies how to enforce the various laws which are used as the basis for administrative rules that dictate how those agencies function. While the case was about The Slants, the more publicized issue was with the Redskins. For that, the last sentence of the AP article on this ruling is insightful:

      "The trademark office for years had raised no concerns about the Redskins, agreeing to register the name in 1967, 1974, 1978 and 1990. But the office canceled the registrations in 2014 after finding the name disparaged Native Americans."

      That sudden reversal was all about a directive coming from the White House. No new law or rule...just the president telling a federal agency how to enforce the rules via laws. Same thing happened in the opposite direction with DOMA. So, yes, this was entirely about Obama and his directives.

    11. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Holi · · Score: 1

      No evidence that the Slits ever tried to trademark their name in the US. No live or Expired trademark for "The Slits".

      So, maybe same rule.

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    12. Re: A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed for everything you said.

      The govt didn't give a shit about the redskin name. It was some fringe Native American tribes that had a problem with it. Not even all tribes had a problem, only some. The govt never tried to block or get rid of the name.

      Take your partisan bullshit and go somewhere else. Because you name does not look familiar
      At all.

    13. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      ... in 1992, during Clinton's first term.

      Clinton wasn't president in 1992.

    14. Re: A good example of bad laws. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:A good example of bad laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pedantic here... Enforce the laws via rules... But yes.

    16. Re:A good example of bad laws. by WeezulDK · · Score: 1

      But by then precedents will have been set by our generation and the ones before that they will not be able to overcome

  7. Extra information by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    NPR had a episode on their Planet Money podcast about this very case.

    1. Re:Extra information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bastard! You're not supposed to spread the word of actual investigative journalism and important information if it comes from a liberal shittank like NPR! /s

    2. Re:Extra information by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even a stopped watch is right twice a day... NPR happens to get a worm now and then...

      Actually, they do quite well with their "facts" the problem they have is their obviously liberal bias in their editorial decisions like "what stories we cover" "what facts they choose to use" "what conclusions are we drawing". However, they are worlds better than MSNBC and usually CNN so I do actually listen to them fairly regularly to see what the other side is actually thinking.... (This coming from what most would call a ultra right winger...)

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    3. Re:Extra information by Dutchmaan · · Score: 0

      Would you prefer a news organization begin with the pledge of allegiance, show some eagles firing lasers out of their eyes and a club mix version of the national anthem?

    4. Re:Extra information by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously I prefer news organizations that attempt to be careful with the facts, which is why I don't watch MSMBC except their comedy shows hosted by Maddow.... All of them have their issues, so if you take what they say with the necessary amounts of salt and throw out all the editorial bias shows the news they report is generally all about the same. Consumer be wary, they are in business to sell advertising and don't make a penny reporting the news...

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    5. Re: Extra information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't keep us all in the dark. Where should we be going to get all that truth(TM)?

    6. Re:Extra information by kozure · · Score: 1

      I'm being completely serious here, where does one find news that meets the following criteria: "I prefer news organizations that attempt to be careful with the facts" "This coming from what most would call a ultra right winger..." Thank you in advance.

    7. Re:Extra information by bobbied · · Score: 2

      I generally apply 3 standards to what I take as news....

      1. Ignore those who are NOT journalists when it comes to news (I listen to Rush, but he's NOT a reporter so I don't get my "news" from him) . This rules out things like facebook, comedy shows, twitter and the like. It also rules out most of the pontificating done on the various cable news outlets.

      2. Take any "news" story backed by anonymous sources as nothing more than rumor. It *might* be news, but likely it's not.

      3. Research original sources when possible. I spend a lot of time researching "news" about congress' actions by looking at the official records. Read the original press releases, watch, listen to or read transcripts of actual things happening (CSPAN is good when covering actual events). For example, I listened to the 4 hours of Comey's latest congressional testimony, and I found myself shocked at some of the coverage of it from the major outlets.

      The issue is that *you* need to decide for yourself what news outlets you find trustworthy by investigating what they are saying and see if it's true or are they cherry picking the facts.

      Personally, I find Fox to be as honest as they come, However, that's not saying much. I find Fox has their slant on stuff. NPR isn't bad either, but I find that they have a significant bias issue and routinely ignore facts that don't further the case of their bias. I have a number or websites that I like to read, but again, none of them are perfect. Again, this is YOUR call... Investigate on your own and don't take anybody's word for it.

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    8. Re:Extra information by Dutchmaan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Ignore those who are NOT journalists when it comes to news (I listen to Rush, but he's NOT a reporter so I don't get my "news" from him)"

      ..but you're not ignoring Rush are you. You can CLAIM you don't get news from him, but if you're listening to him then that's kind of an oxymoron because you take the information he gives you and that alters the lens through which you interpret the news you consume. (and that's his job) You try to come off as objective when it's blindingly apparent that you are not.

      I will agree with you however that, especially in this day and age it's about sources sources sources!!! Listen to one side and listen to the other. Sometimes the people you hate can offer fair points which I will add has affected me to a positive degree and decrease (but not eliminated) my own bias.

      I find Fox and MSNBC to be opposite sides of the same coin. Coming from someone with a liberal bias I can easily see where they try to lead their viewers.

      I too encourage people to not be lazy and watch testimony and read bills and listen to both sides and above all always follow the money!!!! Because money seems to be the biggest culprit these days to destroying the values we are supposed to hold dear.

    9. Re:Extra information by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Listening to Rush makes me unreliable eh? LOL. Typical...

      Seriously, Rush is a commentator who tells jokes and I know it. I find him amusing for the most part, but not very informative, except to keep me current with what's being discussed. It's like left leaning folks watching the Daily show because they find it entertaining.

      I would have agreed with you about Fox except Fox has taken a turn to the left of late with a number of departures from their lineup. But the hard "news" portion is still generally fair though obviously a bit slanted right. MSNBC is anything but fair and I get amused sometimes with their obvious omissions and sound bite edits to favor the left. MSNBC is seriously pushing a leftist view. I guess, what I'm saying is the "middle" is closer to Fox than MSNBC, in fact I'd put it in-between CNN and FOX, which are more appropriate to be on the same coin. MSNBC is a travesty to news and I don't consider them even remotely reliable. I've caught them manufacturing facts to report, falsifying their pull quotes by taking them out of context and generally acting irresponsible when it comes to the truth. Fox generally attempts to keep the truth within reach, where MSNBC let the truth run off a long time ago.

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    10. Re:Extra information by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Listening to Rush makes me unreliable eh? LOL. Typical...

      I said listening to Rush *increases* your bias (which everyone has) making you *less* reliable... if you want to interpret that as flat out unreliable, then those are your words.

      Seriously, Rush is a commentator who tells jokes and I know it. I find him amusing for the most part, but not very informative, except to keep me current with what's being discussed.

      You think Rush is telling jokes... are you legitimately saying Rush is supposed to be comedy? Jon Stuart was comedy... because people actually laughed at what he said and did. Did he have a liberal slant absolutely... Were the jokes obvious, yep.. Rush is a right wing ranter, nothing more... I've listened to Rush and there isn't a single aspect of his show which someone can consider "comedy".

      Listening to Rush and claiming it's comedy is more akin to me saying I watch Maddow, but it doesn't affect me because I just watch her to keep current with what's being discussed. If someone watched Maddow as part of their viewing regimen, what would YOUR take be on that person.

      But the hard "news" portion is still generally fair though obviously a bit slanted right.

      Realizing that you already have a right wing bias and claiming that Fox is middle leaning right...pretty much validates what I'm saying...

      Since you view Fox as "slightly to the right" of objective... and knowing Fox is pretty much a straight up mouthpiece for the right... that places you right about here:

      (right wing ideology)___x (you)____________________________ (unbiased objective)_____________________________________(left wing ideology)

  8. Again: You Cannot Give Offense by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    You can only take it.

    If enough people are outraged by the Redskins or the Slants, their respective businesses will suffer and they will make a financially informed decision to make a change. If -- as we all know in our hearts -- only a very few loud, whiny SJWs even gave these names a second thought, their respective businesses will continue as normal. Good Job, SCOTUS.

    1. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      I am sure that if the team's management thought they were pissing off enough local fans, they would make a change. But we both know they are not.

    2. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Both of them?

      The point is, and it seems it has to be said again so some people catch that, if a sizable amount of people actually gave half a fuck about the team's name and were disgusted by it, the team's name would be changed faster than you can assemble a protest. NFL teams are a business. If it would sell to be called the pink pussies, they'd run up on the field in fabulously looking frilly dresses.

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    3. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Informative

      If enough people are outraged by the Redskins...

      In a conversation that included an actual Native American, she asserted that only "Professional Indians" (her term, spoken with rolling of the eyes) cared. At all.

    4. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      In a conversation that included an actual Native American, she asserted that only "Professional Indians" (her term, spoken with rolling of the eyes) cared. At all

      So? With any sufficiently large group you can find a member of that group who will say just about anything. Do you have any particular reason to believe she was a representative sample?

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    5. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by Straif · · Score: 2

      This has been polled for at least a decade and the numbers never change much. Even during the height of the lawsuit over trademark I believe the highest they could ever get for Natives being offended by the name is 9%. 80% said they wouldn't even be offended if they were personally called Redskin by a non-native. It's just not considered a pejorative by most Natives but that's not good for the professional offence takers so they keep trying to make it something every few years.

      Like most of these campaigns I'd guess 80-90% of those actively fighting against the use of the term are as white as you can possibly get and are just trying to earn their social justice street cred by being offended on someone else's behalf.

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    6. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That smacks of "I have black friends who don't think I'm a racist".

      To be more specific, it's a trick to avoid addressing the issue and instead turn it around to being "you are over sensitive" without any more than a single anecdotal data point. The rolling eyes bit was a nice touch, really feeds people's imaginations and makes the story seem more real to them.

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    7. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      Please note the polls referenced by Straif above.

      Do actual Native Americans care? Apparently, the overwhelming majority do not.

      It's just virtue signaling by mostly white people of a certain political bent getting Very Very Offending on behalf of a group with plenty of legitimate other grievances which really doesn't care about this issue.

    8. Re:Again: You Cannot Give Offense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a neo-Nazi White supremacist, I would like the Redskins to change their name because there is nothing noble about the stone age tribes that used to be on this continent before we disposed of them to build our civilization.

      I also want anti-White concern trolls like you go live among the savages you evidently prefer to Whites. And don't take toilet paper with you or expect a water closet. Or a shower.

  9. Oh please ban offensive names... by Drethon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As soon as you do ban them, I'm going to protest that the supreme court has an offensive name (ok, not a trademark but still a name) because their assumption that they are supreme is very offensive to me.

    1. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not only offensive, but misleading. Everyone who has ever been to Taco Bell knows that "Supreme" means "With Sour Cream".

    2. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I so wish I could mod up responses to my own comments at times ;p

    3. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      With sour cream and faux-tomato.

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    4. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by eth1 · · Score: 1

      As soon as you do ban them, I'm going to protest that the supreme court has an offensive name (ok, not a trademark but still a name) because their assumption that they are supreme is very offensive to me.

      That's similar to my practice of dealing with people that think they have a "right" to not be offended. I tell them that I'm offended by people that are offended by (whatever they're complaining about), so if they're correct that it's a fundamental right, they must stop being offended immediately because they're infringing on my rights. :P

    5. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not know that. I thought it meant with many extras which sour cream is one of the many.
      But hey I can't read I just looked at the pictures ;P

    6. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it offensive that the NFL is a non-profit :P

    7. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by PPH · · Score: 1

      You don't have multiple Slashdot UIDs? Newbie.

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    8. Re:Oh please ban offensive names... by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Well then you should not be offended, because it isn't.

  10. Re:They'll complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope so.

  11. Re:They'll complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, these days, it's the left that'll bitch, calling it 'hate speech' or 'racism' or somesuch.

  12. Good decision by XXongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems like a good interpretation of the constitution. That really is outside the range of what trademark law is about.

  13. The next step by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    The obvious sequel to this is for people who find these terms offensive to trademark them preemptively.

    What you have to keep in mind is that a trademark is not a legal right to use a term-- it is a legal right to sue others to prevent them from using it.

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    1. Re:The next step by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er (seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?)....to keep others from using it?

      Would there be a revolt is a white person trademarked the word?

      Then blacks couldn't claim " that is our word, you can't use it"....

      Just musing over what this might imply...

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    2. Re:The next step by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It's tough.....having a trademark doesn't prevent other people from using it, it prevents other people from using it in a way that confuses the identity in the minds of listeners.

      Thus I can call you a slanty redskin all I want, even in print or commercial material, but if I say, "buy this Redskins hat and support your local football team!" then that is preventable.

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    3. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?

      Yep, they actually do practice censorship here.

    4. Re:The next step by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Just applied for "Fuck You" and "Fuck Off"

      Slashdot will pay me millions!

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    5. Re: The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm trademarking the C-Word for a woman's private parts. Gonna invent a breakfast cereal and call it this. Also going to trademark blumpkin, bukkake, and nips.

    6. Re:The next step by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Trademarks don't work like that. First, they apply to only a specific field (for instance, professional football). More importantly, you must USE the trademark commercially in that field, or you lose it.

    7. Re:The next step by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er (seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?)"

      Yup, despite being a supposed arena for free thought, free speech is not allowed, here.

      Pretty pathetic behavior coming from supposed Americans, if you ask me. They should probably be stripped of their rights to vote since they can't adhere to some of our most basic constitutional guarantees.We have this thing called equal treatment under the law. Nothing in the constitution allows corporations to be immune from this, since they're people now thanks to Citizens United. If we can't speak freely, they can't speak freely, end of story.

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    8. Re:The next step by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The obvious sequel to this is for people who find these terms offensive to trademark them preemptively.

      This has already been done with domain names for years. NAACP owns all the obvious racist domain names, and so on. Trademark law, like all traditional legal norms, is still catching up with the Internet.

    9. Re:The next step by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er (seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?)"

      Yup, despite being a supposed arena for free thought, free speech is not allowed, here.

      Yep.

      I can say "cracker"...

      I can say "honkey"...

      I can say "spic"...

      I can say "wop"....

      I can say "chink"...

      I can say "gook"...

      And none of these seem to get censored by slashdot.

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

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    10. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you pretty much do not understand the First Amendment at all. Here's a simple summary: private individuals, corporations, groups, etc., can engage in all the censorship they want. It's the government that (in general) is not allowed to censor.

    11. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Ice Cube will publicly degrade himself in order to make the point that you aren't allowed to say it.

    12. Re:The next step by evilRhino · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was a group of astronaut enthusiasts that probably caused that one.

    13. Re: The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should market varieties: Cheesy cunts, hot-wet cunts (microwaveable), strawberry cunts, rainbow colored oozing cunts, vegemite cunts, you get it.

    14. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      Reason #1: Squeaky wheel problem

      Reason #2: Threat of violence from offense takers

    15. Re:The next step by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you pretty much do not understand the First Amendment at all. Here's a simple summary: private individuals, corporations, groups, etc., can engage in all the censorship they want. It's the government that (in general) is not allowed to censor.

      I actually understand that quite well.

      But unless there is an implicit thought to protect all speech in society to go along with the govt restraints against it....you end up losing the battle.

      Places that are actually discussion groups should strive to embrace the "First Amendment " philosophy too, especially when they are American owned and centric groups.

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    16. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of spam regarding certain melanin-enriched space travelers of the queer sort.

    17. Re:The next step by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points.

      +1 for: "Places that are actually discussion groups should strive to embrace the "First Amendment " philosophy too"

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    18. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, despite being a supposed arena for free thought, free speech is not allowed, here.

      Pretty pathetic behavior coming from supposed Americans, if you ask me. They should probably be stripped of their rights to vote since they can't adhere to some of our most basic constitutional guarantees.We have this thing called equal treatment under the law. Nothing in the constitution allows corporations to be immune from this, since they're people now thanks to Citizens United. If we can't speak freely, they can't speak freely, end of story.

      So you pretty much do not understand the First Amendment at all.

      I actually understand that quite well.

      You and Khyber might wish that the First Amendment applied to a discussion forum like Slashdot, but it doesn't. The people that run Slashdot are free to censor whatever they want. Of course if they censor too strictly they'll lose viewers, contributors, and revenue, but if they do no censoring at all they will also lose viewers etc. and degenerate info something like 4chan.

      The Constitution does not simply mean what you want it to mean.

    19. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      If you're stupid to the point of not to knowing why, go back to f*cking your sister

    20. Re:The next step by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er (seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?)....to keep others from using it?

      Would there be a revolt is a white person trademarked the word?

      Then blacks couldn't claim " that is our word, you can't use it"....

      Just musing over what this might imply...

      Not exactly. The trademark has to associate with something. If the rapper has a trademark of the N word associated with a certain type of songs, then you can still use the N word here as a regular post. Unless you try to associate it with another type of song which is not the rapper's, then you could be in trouble.

    21. Re:The next step by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Trademark isn't copyright. You have to use it or lose it.

    22. Re:The next step by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but this seems so ludicrous, I must try it for myself as I can barely believe this could happen on slashdot. Yep, "Lameness filter encountered"

      Let's try muzzie

      Huh, that worked.

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    23. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you have to keep in mind is that a trademark is not a legal right to use a term-- it is a legal right to sue others to prevent them from using it.

      But to protect it, you have to use it in trade and defend it from usurpers. It's a lot more complicated than domain name squatting.

    24. Re:The next step by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Wait. We can't say "Fucking" either?

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    25. Re: The next step by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      No one wants vegemite cunts.

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    26. Re:The next step by istartedi · · Score: 1

      This must be new. There was (is?) a long running and prolific troll that makes use of the N-word in subject lines and the body of the text. It's usually quickly modded down. I tried a google search, and the N-word isn't on slashdot unless you go to "past year" or longer time frame. So. Maybe they're censoring it now, which means Slashdot isn't pure free speech. We did just fine with the old moderation system--you'd never see those trolls unless you browsed at -1. As for the "why", well... "because". Because it dethroned "fuck" as most offensive word, and is only being used by trolls here. Not a lot of people quote lines from Twain novels with that word in it here, and if they need to do that they can do what you did to get your point across so there's a big troll reduction and no harm to legitimate speech.

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    27. Re:The next step by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      Only one of them was actually enslaved in our country.

    28. Re:The next step by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      no harm to legitimate speech.

      Legitimate speech? What's that?

    29. Re:The next step by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      Because that's the one that Anonymous Cowards keep wanting to use?

    30. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And none of these seem to get censored by slashdot.

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      You can still say "jungle bunny".

    31. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you didn't see the checkbox that said: "It's ok because I am a) black b) David Allen Coe c) Johnny Thunders" ?

    32. Re:The next step by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er (seems you can't actually type the word on slashdot anymore..?)....to keep others from using it?

      Would there be a revolt is a white person trademarked the word?

      Then blacks couldn't claim " that is our word, you can't use it"....

      Just musing over what this might imply...

      Based on your statements, I'll assume that either you don't really know anything about how trademark works, or you're just a lousy troll.

      No, you cannot trademark a regular word and prevent others from using that word in the course of ordinary conversation. The point of a trademark is to give your product a unique identifier (the "mark") that distinguishes it from other products of the same type (collectively the "trade"), with the goal being to prevent customers from confusing a competitor's product for yours. A computer manufacturer can trademark the name "Apple", and that would prevent any other computer manufacturer from marketing their own "Apple Computer". That doesn't mean that people can't talk about apples, or that growers can't sell their fruit by calling them apples, or even that people can't talk about Apple computers.

    33. Re:The next step by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I can say "cracker"...

      A cracker is also an item of food.

      I can say "honkey"...

      I didn't find "honkey" in my dictionary but "honky" is. By censoring "honky" it would also remove things like "honky nut" and "honkytonk" which have no negative connotations to a specific set of people. Well, people might not like honkytonks but the word itself isn't really offensive. Unless the word "honkey" has some attachment to it than an alternative spelling of "honky" then it would be difficult to filter out. I can't think of any off-hand but it may also end up as a part of a longer non-offensive word.

      I can say "spic"...

      That would also filter out unoffensive terms like "spic and span" or common words like "spice".

      I can say "wop"....

      That would filter out "swop" which is a lesser used spelling of "swap", as well as possibly other words it may make a part.

      I can say "chink"...

      That's a word that is synonymous with sliver, clink, shard, crack, or flaw. It can also be found as a part of "pachinko" and possibly other words.

      I can say "gook"...

      That's a word synonymous with slime, sludge, goop, or gunk.

      And none of these seem to get censored by slashdot.

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      That word is not a part of other non-offensive words. It has no other non-offensive meaning. Words like "ass" and "shit" can be parts of other words and therefore are difficult to censor without rendering common conversation difficult to read.

      I'm not defending the censoring of any word, only the logistical difficulty of filtering the examples you gave.

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    34. Re: The next step by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Reason 3: GNAA spam.

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    35. Re:The next step by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only one of them was actually enslaved in our country.

      I don't care what country you are referring to, no one race has been the only one enslaved. The word "slave" is derived from "slav" as in the peoples that live in the Caucasus region. "Caucasus" is where "Caucasian" came from, as in white people. Lots of Irish slaves were in America but in time the economics of enslaving them reduced their numbers. Buying slaves from African tribes just became cheaper is all.

      Did one race predominate in slavery? Sure. That does not mean other races did not exist in slavery.

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    36. Re: The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't that violate our First Amendment rights? Any of you njiggers want to sign up for a class action suit?

    37. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not know much about the chinks and gooks then. And plenty of crackers and honkeys have been enslaved systematically throughout history, but since you've probably never opened a history book in your life...

    38. Re: The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one wants vegemite c----.

      Gives a whole new meaning to the song.

    39. Re:The next step by istartedi · · Score: 1

      OK, not sure if you're truly confused or posing it as a rhetorical question. It doesn't matter too much I suppose. First, in this context "legitimate speech" isn't a 1A topic, because we're talking about what's allowed on Slashdot, which is a private forum.

      Slashdot gives us pretty wide latitude, so if you're looking for a definition it's actually easier to define what's *not* legitimate. IMHO, serial trolling that uses the N-word isn't legitimate. It isn't even a clever troll after the first 500 bazillion times. It's just a waste of moderation resources. Private web sites that prune out trolls aren't infringing on the 1A. A broader definition of what constitutes illegitimate speech on Slashdot is harder. It's certainly a very narrow category; but I believe it exists.

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    40. Re:The next step by taustin · · Score: 1

      Trademarks have to be in use to be valid. In other words, if you trademark a word you find offensive, you have to have products or services for sale using that mark or you lose it.

    41. Re:The next step by kelanos · · Score: 1

      Why the special treatment of ni--gger?

      Why? Probably the same reason as the special treatment of Jews.

    42. Re: The next step by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of those posts were by Anonymous Cowards. I think that logged in users should probably be allowed to use it.

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    43. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not since my high school football team is probably going to reenact their claim to "The Fighting N1ggers"

    44. Re:The next step by temcat · · Score: 1

      Once I saw a list of words that weren't allowed on some resource (a newspaper or some other website, cannot remember now). There was exactly one word that wasn't spelled as it is on that list, and it wasn't "fuck".

    45. Re:The next step by temcat · · Score: 1

      You mean, this GNAA thing has ever been a clever troll?

    46. Re: The next step by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that violate our First Amendment rights? Any of you njiggers want to sign up for a class action suit?

      No, actually it doesn't. You have every right to shout it out loud, or to make your own site and type it as much as you want. But Slashdot doesn't have to allow you to type anything at all...it's their site, not yours.

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    47. Re:The next step by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I'm very much in favor of allowing people to speak freely.

      That said, your constitutional right doesn't give you the right to speak freely on a site that's owned by someone else. Their site, their rules. Make your own site, and express yourself.

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    48. Re:The next step by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You might want to actually look up the history of slavery by race before you make stupid comments. To be fair, you did specify "our country", but that's not a legitimate excuse. So, LMGTFY...

      Over a million Europeans were held as slaves from the 1530s through the 1780s in Africa, and hundreds of thousands were kept as slaves by the Ottomans in eastern Europe and Asia

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    49. Re:The next step by dcw3 · · Score: 1
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    50. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Learn your fucking history.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3664862/The-forgotten-history-of-Britains-white-slaves.html

    51. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You have very strange views that suggest a level of ignorance, bigotry and simple stupidity.

      I like faggots. They taste great.
      http://mrbrains.co.uk/products...

    52. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Sorry but you're stretching on wop.

      Although, I was going to post that the word defined as "a half-suppressed, typically scornful laugh" isn't banned, despite being the banned with prepended with s, and so 'swop' wouldn't be, although it should due to its inherent illiteracy.

      Then it turned out that indeed scornful suppressed laughter is in fact banned on Slashdot.

    53. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      At least Slashdot is consistent and balanced in its application of this particular ban.

      Unlike for instance most media organisations.

    54. Re:The next step by temcat · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Just found the list I'm talking about. It was different:
      damn (+ related)
      fuck (+ related)
      motherfucker
      bitch (+ related)
      ass (+ related)
      the "N" word

    55. Re:The next step by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      That word is not a part of other non-offensive words.

      I sni*ger at your poor vocabulary. Yes, outright laughter from me.

    56. Re:The next step by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm all for people speaking their minds, but if you want a completely uncensored group, you may have to make it yourself. And then you'll discover the SJWs, and other groups coming at you complaining about hate speech, What happens when your site gets bombarded by some group of neo-nazis, religious fanatics, etc.?...would you feel the same about leaving it uncensored? What if they start spamming your site?

      Your general idea is good, but the implementation and operation could be problematic. That's all I'm trying to point out.

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    57. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You're betraying your own prejudices in suggesting that gay people are in some way anti social. I find them to be representative of broader populations in their level of social engagement.

      I'm giving no political power to anybody, and even your link fails to demonstrate any causal link between homosexuality, mental illness or anti-social behaviour.

      As I said, faggots taste great. I recommend accompanying them with mashed potato, and assure you have a very rich thick gravy.

    58. Re:The next step by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      That's usually a little bit more complicated than it sounds. Can I just use the name 'Studebaker' if I want to build cars? Defunct since 1967.

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    59. Re:The next step by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't do that. The NAACP "buried" that word years ago. http://www.reuters.com/article... . You can't make this stuff up.

    60. Re:The next step by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Slavs living in the Caucasus region is a very recent occurance - Russia started to conquer that area in the late 18th century.

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    61. Re:The next step by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Anti-social doesn't necessarily mean they are going to act like jerks to you or be introverted. It is a broad classification that includes behavior like criminal acts, drug use, and inappropriate emotional response/mental illness.

      Applying a broad classification like that to an entire class of people without cause makes you prejudiced. I am thus justified in labelling you an ignorant bigot.

      If you find that an insult, trying educating yourself.

      Can you at least admit that:
      No one is born gay

      Why? I can admit that some people are naturally attracted to members of the same sex and there appears to be no nurturing reason for this. I lack evidence that people are not "born gay".

      We know this because there have existed civilizations where the activity was widely practiced

      An alternate interpretation is that clearly a wide range of people are born with sexual attraction to their own sex, and it's only prudish cunts like you that prevent them enjoying themselves.

      If you cannot even address this, you have to accept that you just have no desire to approach this in a logical way, that you are going to believe whatever you want regardless of obvious evidence.

      Sigh. I'm addressing your points to the extent that you're making any. Most of your diatribe is unreasoned and based on whatever the fuck is going on inside your pathetic head, completely unrelated to basic logic.

      But look, there's no logic involved in enjoying a good faggot. Either you love that meaty taste or you don't, and that's a very subjective thing.

    62. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a common word, arguably the English language's most historically normal word for the subhumans of sub-Saharan Africa and their diaspora, and therefore can't be trademarked, any more than fruit loops could, which is why those are froot loops.

      I was going to suggest variants that could be trademarked, but the lameness filter told me that commenting on rap "music" is lame.

    63. Re:The next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slavs are a sub-race of the European (a.k.a. White) branch of the Indo-European (a.k.a. Aryan) race. Russians, Czechs, and Serbs are Slavs, which gives you a sense of their range.

      The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is on land that is arguably within the boundaries of ancient Macedonia, but the Greeks, who are not Slavic, don't want the name Macedonia, the home of Philip and Alexander, to be used by Slavs.

      Slavs were kidnapped from the Balkans mostly and sold in the Muslim empire. Slavic women were highly prized because the Aryan race's ancient marriage system encouraged evolution of beautiful women. Slavic men were often either castrated and used as clerks, or used as the Sultan's elite Janissary warriors.

      The Caucasus is currently populated with a few different peoples, including Russians, Osseitans, who are from the Indo-Iranian (also a.k.a Aryan) branch of Indo-Europeans, and Chechens, who are not Indo-European.

      Referring to Europeans, or all Indo-Europeans, as Caucasians, is a misnomer. The term comes from the suggestion, now generally rejected, that the Indo-Europeans originally came from the Caucasus Mountains.

      Since Indo-Europeans were unquestionably milk-drinking pastoralists, modern Turkey or Ukraine is the currently most favored hypothesis.

      Note that the European branch didn't spread directly into Europe, but first went to northern Europe, where they were known as the corded ware culture, before invading southward. The Greeks, in their days of glory, notably retained the tradition that they had come from the north.

  14. Re: They'll complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit seek help there might be one under your bed!

  15. Re:They'll complain by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    unless the 'potentially offensive' trademark is anything even remotely liberal-leaning. Then the alt-right will scream bloody murder and lawsuits will ensue.

    We're use to it bro; been catching your hate all our lives. Right now there is a twitter tag: #HuntRepublicans, created by a (D) operative named James Divine. Nothing new; been going on forever. Hate filled liberals say whatever they want without consequence.

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  16. Great! Can't wait to re-logo Savage Arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the Indian head will be replaced by a profile picture of Yasser Arafat.

  17. I hate it so much when America works as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm filled with envy of everyday americans who can live in a country where the government can't do everything.

  18. Damon Wayans by tepples · · Score: 1

    So...will a rapper try to trademark the word n-igg-er

    Not exactly a rapper, but when Flex started singing, his stage name was derived from the N word. Damon Wayans attempted to start a clothing line named after the N word.

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  20. What does it mean for offensive license plates? by robert+bitchin' · · Score: 1
  21. Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by XXongo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hate speech most certainly does exist. Just because it's protected by the first amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    There is ONLY speech....how you perceive it is completely your opinion.

    This. And I've spent countless hours trying to bang it into peoples' heads.

    We seem to be saying different things. Nothing you posted supports the assertion "hate speech does not exist." What you wrote supports a position "hate speech, like any other kind of speech, is protected by the first amendment."

    Fine.

    Just don't phrase that using the statement "does not exist."

    1. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate speech is an opinion based on "teh feels". Hate speech is *NOT* a fact.

    2. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what he's trying to get at is that unless you believe in objective reality (and many do not) one man's hate is another man's love. And all that.

    3. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate speech laws are written based on what a reasonable person expects. This can be proven in a courtroom with a jury.

      Its not just about someone's feelings, its significant as it implies intimidation and the further reduction of future speech.

      This is why hate speech can be prosecuted along certain lines, particularly in regards to threats/intimidation.

    4. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by torkus · · Score: 1

      My point was 'hate speech' is completely arbitrary to the point of non-existence (or conversely virtually anything would be hate speech).

      The concept may exist, but is fatally flawed in that it relies on totally subjective 'logic'. What differs hate speech from saying mean things? Uncomfortable things? etc.

      If one wants to have a new descriptive term, then it needs to be defined.

      Granted, if the definition is "any speech that is negatively directed towards black people" then I will cede the point (and promptly consider anyone using that definition a racist and bigot.)

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    5. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hate speech cannot be prosecuted in the US because it has no legal basis.

    6. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      If one wants to have a new descriptive term, then it needs to be defined.

      It can be defined just like other problematic acts. Legally, we have all sorts of statutes that depend on intent by someone who commits an act and perception of someone who is the target of that act.

      What is assault? Punching someone is arguably "totally subjective" too. One can accidentally hit someone, in which case you lack intent. One can ask or consent to be punched (e.g., in boxing or other sparring practice, etc.), so intent to hit and cause possible harm was present, but consent was also present, so this generally can't be prosecuted legally.

      But if a punch has both intent and is perceived by the target to be unwarranted and without consent, it's assault.

      One can apply this to any number of potentially problematic actions which aren't legally problematic under all circumstances.

      You may argue that "hate speech" may be more ambiguous, but let's not pretend that actions in general don't require interpretation. I'll agree with you that "hate speech" is NOT solely contained in the words themselves. I absolutely do NOT agree with anyone who wants to define "hate speech" simply by declaring certain words to be "out of bounds." But if there is intent to harm AND perceived harm, and both can be reasonably proven (as with assault), why can't we define such a category of speech acts?

      (To be clear, I'm not generally in favor of most "hate speech" restrictions on legal speech. But that doesn't mean the category can't possibly be defined.)

    7. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      But if there is intent to harm AND perceived harm, and both can be reasonably proven (as with assault), why can't we define such a category of speech acts?

      You can define whatever you damn well please. It's expecting US government to squander it's monopoly on violence to enforce such drivel that's quite a bit more difficult to achieve.

    8. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nobody intelligent and informed expects the US government to suppress hate speech in general, because that's unconstitutional. That doesn't mean there aren't things that most of us would call hate speech.

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    9. Re:Existence [Re:Can we stop caring about this?] by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Google "has anyone been prosecuted for hate speech", and you'll find that prosecutors will disagree with your opinion.

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  22. Impeach Trump by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

    Trademark something offensive like "Impeach Trump", then send lawyers after anyone who uses it on Twitter. You don't even have to win any cases, you just have to scare enough people into silent.

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  23. Re:They'll complain by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    unless the 'potentially offensive' trademark is anything even remotely liberal-leaning. Then the alt-right will scream bloody murder and lawsuits will ensue.

    We're use to it bro; been catching your hate all our lives. Right now there is a twitter tag: #HuntRepublicans, created by a (D) operative named James Divine. Nothing new; been going on forever. Hate filled liberals say whatever they want without consequence.

    And yell bloody murder when somebody says something that hurts their feelings...

    The right understands Tolerance is about my putting up with your wrong ideas regardless of how angry it makes me. The left thinks that tolerance is about me not saying anything that hurts their feelings... So who's going to sue? The left, of course.

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  24. Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist by Nova+Express · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a legal fiction that SJW types and their fellow-travelers like to promulgate that the First Amendment doesn't cover "hate speech." This decision says that argument is false:

    A law found to discriminate based on viewpoint is an “egregious form of content discrimination,” which is “presumptively unconstitutional.” A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society.

    The justices further noted that "speech that some view as racially offensive is protected not just against outright prohibition but also against lesser restrictions."

    Free speech cannot be prohibited, or even restricted, just because SJW types find it "offensive."

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    1. Re:Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist by PPH · · Score: 1

      Free speech cannot be prohibited,

      Damn. I was counting on it the next time my kids complain about having to eat spinach.

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    2. Re:Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nice and all, but your subject is "Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist" which is, in fact, false.

      I know you want to believe there's no such thing, but there's certainly no law that declares that "hate speech" does not exist.

      You shouldn't lie.

    3. Re:Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's a legal fiction that SJW types and their fellow-travelers like to promulgate that the First Amendment doesn't cover "hate speech."

      Generic catch-all for people I hate do something I don't like even if most of them actually don't.

      Yay death to the strawman!

      Free speech cannot be prohibited, or even restricted

      ITYM "should not". Clearly free speech can be prohibited as many people have done so in the past.

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    4. Re:Legally, "hate speech" doeasn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech cannot be prohibited,

      Damn. I was counting on it the next time my kids complain about having to eat spinach.

      Meh, you probably have until middle school before anyone else tells them about the Constitution, and high school before they'll call you out on misleading them.

  25. Gas The Kikes Race War Now (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitler Did Nothing Wrong (tm)

  26. Great decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck You(®)

  27. Sweet: registering Punching Nazis as a band by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    About time!

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  28. What about a German band named... by c-A-d · · Score: 1

    The Krauts.

    I wonder if that would've also been blocked by the USPTO and had to go to litigation to resolve.

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  29. What about misleading trademarks? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    That cuban dude who married Lucille McGillicuddy is certainly not a desi, but he went ahead and trade marked Desi Lu. How fair is it?

    (Well, at least so far desi does not have any pejorative connotations, lets see how long it remains so...)

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    1. Re:What about misleading trademarks? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2
      You mean Desiderio Alberto Arnaz y de Acha III, who used the name Desi Arnaz on stage, who married Lucille Desiree Ball, whose stage name was Lucille Ball? That "Cuban dude" and that "Lucille McGillicuddy" (the character's maiden name played by Lucille Ball)? Who then formed Desi-Lu studios as a contraction/combination of their first names?

      Is that fair? Of course not. It should have been Lu-Desi, or "ludes" for short. Everyone knows she was a much better actor than he was, and that's even if you remember that she was an actress and not an actor. She was still a better actor.

  30. Re:Simon Tam, you are hereby no longer bound by la by yoda-dono · · Score: 1

    Exactly the kind of comment I was combing these comments to find after reading that name!

  31. Re:I hate it so much when America works as intende by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Well, the good news is that people have been trying to fix that flaw for decades. I get the distinct impression the average American voter has no idea how this country is supposed to work.

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  32. Good news! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Now I can name my band "N*****s With Attitude" and still get a trademark! Oh wait... it's been done, hasn't it?

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    1. Re:Good news! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Dunno. Perhaps that's why they tend to go with NWA.

  33. This makes sense to me by istartedi · · Score: 1

    If the government is going to issue trademarks, they have to issue them in a content-neutral way. Otherwise, the government is placed in the position of judging content, and the cases in which they can do that without conflicting with the 1st amendment are rather narrow, such as obscenity, child porn, and community standards for the FCC. Note that "community standard" has never actually put the government in the position of defining offense. I've actually heard "fuck" on my local community radio station because it was in a work deemed to have artistic merit, and broadcast at night. I know this would not fly in every part of the country.

    1A cases can involve more judgement than we'd like to admit. It's always uncomfortable for one party or another. I think the court made the right call here. Since trademarks go everywhere, there's no local community standard. You can only reject or accept them for the entire country, and if you rejected on the basis of "offense" you'd have protest groups dictating national policy, potentially shutting it all down. Those groups are still free to act at the local level--e.g., protesting outside a club where The Slants is on the marquee, and then the owner of the club can decide whether or not they want to deal with it.

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    1. Re:This makes sense to me by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      That seemed like the most reasonable judgment that the government should not be adjudicating the content that may be trademarked. Even though trademark itself is a restriction of speech by saying if I trademark my band name, no one else may use that name for their band.

  34. Mike Hunt's sofa king juicier 3000 (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see US constitution once again trumping SJW's desire to impose their fascist antics on society. There can be no freedom without tolerance so suck it up my fellow bitches.

  35. Now take the next logical step by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

    Acknowledge that all trademarks infringe on the first amendment right to free speech.

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  36. Re:They'll complain by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yell bloody murder when somebody says something that hurts their feelings...

    How's that War on Christmas going?

  37. Re:They'll complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yell bloody murder when somebody says something that hurts their feelings...

    How's that War on Christmas going?

    Don't know, haven't shopped at Target for years.... "Happy Holidays" to you!

  38. Re:They'll complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it ever get cramped in the little box you've put yourself in?

  39. All right. I claim this as a copyrighted trademark by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Fuck Trump (C) (TM)

    Everyone has my permission to use it as I am placing it in the public domain :-)

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  40. Not easy to preemptively register trademarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you register a trademark, you have to use and defend it against infringement, otherwise it can become genericized and lose its protected status. Example: Kleenex. A vast number of people used the trademarked name to refer to the generic product, the common use of the name caused "Kleenex" to become a generic term. So if you want to register some sort of offensive word to deny others the ability to use it, you have to find a way to use it and take action against infringement.

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  42. because you're a dinosaur, dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The correct ethnic-speak 140-char spelling these days is "niga".
    Optionally with 2 n's, being "nigga", but even that's becoming dated.

    Perfectly sensible censorship policies at slashdot.
    They're just trying to help you fukked up honkees get with the times, not look so outdated to your precious kids. :D
    And you know, the majority market audience for black gangsta rap is predominently white cracker flavored.

    Makes my bigga nigga brain hurt just a little, but that's the price one pays for being a literate darkie in our modern times ...

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  44. Re:They'll complain by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    What climate? Ignoring a couple of celebrities you're still far more likely to have your life ruined for a public far right statement than a far left one.

    Christians forgive, commies do not.

  45. Who is 'offended'? Do different races not exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, of course they don't, nor do separate countries, that's 'racist', don't you know...

    All pushing towards one world government - how democratic that will be...

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  47. Re:They'll complain by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    There's a big difference between saying something offensive, and preventing others from enjoying themselves. Now, as someone who's not religious (I personally treat it as a holiday to enjoy family and friends, not a religious event), I'll tell you that I'm fine with the idea that our tax dollars shouldn't be spent on those items supporting it. But, we shouldn't be wasting our time trying to keep groups who do from gathering and celebrating publicly. If a govt. employee wants to put up a Merry Christmas sign at their desk, nobody should be able to stop them. When the Fortune 500 company I work at no longer allows employees to have any Christmas decorations at their desks, I'd argue that that's a War on Christmas, and it's simply spiteful.

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  48. Finally a constitutional ruling! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Looks to me like they got this one right.

    Now to undo prior bad rulings, like the Redskins logo ban, and the removal of Confederate monuments.
    I don't condone racism/slavery, yet it seems to me that all those targeted-for-removal Confederate monuments need to remain.
    They are not monuments to slavery per se, rather monuments to the people that fought for their country.

    George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, et al ..., all had slaves.
    I don't see any effort to censor monuments for these peoples, nor would I want to see that.
    We ALL need to recognize and remember these folks, and their TRUE character; no matter the degree of their character.
    And, we all need to recognize logos as NOT being statements in disrespectful disregard.
    It is arrogant and offensive - and unconstitutional - to go about arbitrarily choosing something to ban.

    GROW UP! Get a real education!

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  52. Ffs you're boring me by Cederic · · Score: 1

    No. Scientific evidence that incidence of mental health issues is higher in that community does not mean they "have a higher tendency" at all.

    That would actually support a nature (not nurture) viewpoint but fails to take into account environmental factors including the bullying explicitly mentioned in the study you referenced.

    As for prevalence of some sex attraction in a population, yes, there has been sufficient time since ancient Greek civilisation for that to have shifted.

    Of course you d need to demonstrate that it has in fact shifted. Let's just say that young boys in Afghanistan are still getting raped on a systemic basis.

    Meatloaf is awesome too and a good meatloaf shares much in texture and taste with a proper faggot. There's a lot more variation though so I'd recommend getting your laughing gear firmly wrapped around those gorgeous faggoty balls.