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'Chiropractors Are Bullshit' (theoutline.com)
From an article on The Outline, submitted by two readers: If you're one of the approximately 80 percent of Americans who have suffered from back pain, you may have been referred to a chiropractor for medical help. In the modern-day internet landscape, you'll find chiropractic celebrities like Dr. Josh Axe (1.7 million Facebook followers), Dr. Billy DeMoss (20,000 Facebook followers), and Dr. Eric Berg (472,000 YouTube subscribers) giving advice that goes beyond managing spinal issues. Both in their offices and on social media, chiropractors have adapted to a marketplace that's demanding more than just pain management: they extol the virtues of an "alkaline diet," tell you how to manage stress with detoxing, and wax scientific about the adrenal gland. [...] Chiropractic care, I'm sorry to say, is little more than the buffoonery of a 19th-century lunatic who derived most of his medical theory from seances. It has not evolved much since its creation. Chiropractic beliefs are dangerously far removed from mainstream medicine, and the vocation's practices have been linked to strokes, herniated discs, and even death. Chiropractors can't replace your doctor, and I'm amazed that they're still even allowed to practice. [...] Though some chiropractors are now making an effort to introduce evidence-based practices into their treatment, chiropractic as a whole hasn't evolved like other areas of medicine -- with hypotheses, experimentation, and peer review. Instead, it was birthed by a strange combination of hocus pocus, guesswork, and strongly held religious beliefs.
I do just fine with my foam roller and inversion table.
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Just ask anyone who could barely walk into the Chiropractor's office, and walk out pain-free with a smile. I don't know about the diets they extol, or any other homeopathic remedies they might have, I know people who've been really happy after their "adjustments."
Stupid sexy Flanders.
it helps me! I went to a chiropracter and now my lupus is healed! At least I think my iridologist said it was lupus...
I used to go to the chiropractor for my back. It hurt, but afterwards I felt better.
Then I started massage therapy instead. I felt better, and it didn't hurt, either. Win-win.
Now I just go sit in the sauna. Just as effective, much cheaper. Win-win-win. All win for me.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Dr Josh Axe to Gwyneth Paltrow. I'm sure they would get along famously.
But.
Mmmmm... your complimentary x-rays indicate we'll be needing to see you twice a week for three months to, ahem, straighten you out.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Whoever opined that doesn't know their head from their anterior gluteus hole.
Did a show by that name a decade ago as I recall.
I wish the masses would get as worked up about alternative medicine as they currently are about alternative facts.
which claims to be the largest chiropractic college in the world. They claim they can cure cancer and the common cold with spinal subluxation. Of course chiropractors are fraud.
If you treat them like highly skilled masseuses, then they’re pretty damn good. Before I moved away from SC, I used to get amazing massages there with students about once a month for a good price.
Get it over with already... This has as much to do with tech as... As most of what hits the front page these days.
If you're going to dabble in politics and pseudo news, scrap the Slashdot name. You're wrecking your legacy with this shit!
Calling Dr.Bob...
http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20070316/chiropractic-cuts-blood-pressure#1
March 16, 2007 -- A special chiropractic adjustment can significantly lower high blood pressure, a placebo-controlled study suggests.
"This procedure has the effect of not one, but two blood-pressure medications given in combination," study leader George Bakris, MD, tells WebMD. "And it seems to be adverse-event free. We saw no side effects and no problems," adds Bakris, director of the University of Chicago hypertension center.
Not all chiropractic is bad.
My GP is cross-trained to perform chiropractic adjustments.
Once, I was unable to straighten my back due to nerve entrapment and possibly bones actually not lining up; this may have to do with being rear-ended a while back, but that’s immaterial to the conversation.
A few agonizing back-rocking movements with a pillow and a fist, and two neck-twists, and I was physically capable of straightening without grinding bone against bone. Add a shot of some kind of potent muscle relaxant, and suddenly I’m capable of straightening my back.
Perhaps the best approach is to incorporate the evidence-based portions of chiropractic methods into a traditional clinical setting like my GP has done? I guess I’m suggesting that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, pretty much. Sometimes the problem really is a subluxation, after all, even if they’re not responsible for the majority of human illness.
This article spends almost its entire length going on and on about things like alternative medicine, but almost nothing about the actual resolution of back pain, except with respect to children (which, the article acknowledges, is not something all chiropractors endorse).
I don't buy into any of the nonsense, and my chiropractor doesn't either, but he uses the Impulse tool which doesn't hurt when it makes adjustments and I leave feeling much better than when I arrived. Before making any adjustment, he massages the back muscle to loosen it up and prevent damage. He's given me exercises to strengthen my back muscles to help keep things in alignment--and they work to the point that I go back about once per year when I do something really stupid and throw something completely out of alignment. He specifically said in my first appointment that if I'm coming back twice a week for years, he's not done his job properly.
Several years ago when I popped my scapula out of place while stretching and pinched a nerve (8-9 on the pain scale, didn't sleep a wink that night), the chiropractor put it back in place and the sharp stab instantly became a dull ache that went away after a few days.
I fully accept the idea that there are con artists out there who do the things mentioned in this article. I do not accept that it is universal or that chiropractors are incapable of providing any benefit whatsoever.
I don't pretend to know all the in and out of medicine but I have learned one very important thing: chiropractors make you feel better for a day but a physical therapist will help you fix that which is causing you pain. A physical therapist may have you do a certain exercise every morning or some jazz but it prevents you have having painful issues later that would send you crying to a chiropractor.
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They may be mostly hokey, but so are the alternatives. There's often no quick universal fixes for back problems, period. But the back is kind of like TV reception on old-fashioned sets (and sometimes cellphones): the weather, time-of-day, antenna position, and position and quantity of viewers can significantly affect the reception.
Experimenting by moving the antenna, furniture, and viewers around can at least temporarily fix TV reception. We called it the "fix-it dance" and "air Twister" back in the day. (Steve Jobs and Woz once rigged a college TV to screw with viewers using the idea. They gave themselves away by laughing too hard at posing victims.)
Chiropractors are "experienced fiddlers" who do the fix-it-dance with backs.
Table-ized A.I.
Just like code smells, there are quack smells, and with chiropractors your quack smell needs to be on high alert.
I've had one who was outright incompetent, and another who was scamming for expensive x-rays to diagnose a neck shape 90% of the modern population has. The three hot chicks at reception was my first clue (they supervise a very nice neck-therapy gym). Singapore Airlines does not hire younger.
The gym was free for a while after your first visit. I noticed the Chiclets receiving "engagement" coaching from a high-energy, type A chiropractor on staff (and apparently a permanent gym rat). They seemed to think it was all a big game.
I've also had some pretty good chiropractors. One who was effective at short term relief (about six visits per year).
But then another who treated the same problem differently, and now I'm down to about two visits a year for that region.
I still have other problems, but I'm especially tall (long in the back to be precise) and I've also got some cervical degeneration.
Like anything else, if people blindly enrich the quacks, there will ever be more where that came from. (This ancient observation did us a whole lot of good curing the spam problem, didn't it?)
Chiropractic college (in Canada) is no cakewalk. There's a lot of good ones out there. But until they have an established clientele, the incentives are almost universally aligned to an initial sequence of six visits per new patient, just to get you normalized (and properly prepared to learn about your next problem).
I've often found two visits, about a week apart, to be more cost effective than one visit, if I need it badly enough. Beyond that, the extra sessions are primarily revenue visits. But that's just my own experience, relative to my own needs, and the practitioners I've dealt with.
Bottom line, you've got to deploy your own quack smell. Accept no substitute or new car smell.
I know people who go to chiropractors because it is treatment they can afford. Regular doctors might get better result if you throw enough time and money at the problem but if your budget maxes out before you get any effective treatment, what are you left with?
I constantly see articles like this on the internet decrying the the evil unscientific ways of chiropractors, but I have never encountered in in the real world. This is despite having many friends and family members that have seen many different chiropractors in multiple states. Some that work with large practices, others that look like old hippies working part time out of their home. Yet not of them, not one, has claimed to cure anything other than skeletal/muscular problems like chronic back pain, bad posture/gaits, legitimate referred pain, etc.
I've read about the history of chiropractic medicine, and yeah it is pretty ridiculous. Just like the early history of psychology and other medical practices. And I'm sure there probably are still a few quacks out there, but most of the quackery that you linked is also espoused by celebrity MDs, not just or even mostly chiropractors. It seems like the vast majority of the field has moved on past their unsavory roots; when will the internet crusaders move on as well?
My understanding is that there are two schools of Chiropractors. One is Quackery and the other is Legitimate Medicine. This breeds a lot of confusion. Added to this is the fact that peoples Spines and Discs and Nerves and injuries to such are each unique, what works for one person may not work for another.
Chiropracty, like acupuncture, is a practice which seems to have a kernel of truth hidden within an aura of woo and it's a shame that science hasn't yet been able to separate them. The physical manipulations used by chiropractors do seem to be helpful to a lot of people, the crystals maybe less so.
https://youtu.be/l33ot5y-XxY The difference the chiropractor made for this severely disabled teenage boy is ASTOUNDING. I'm sure there are plenty of chiropractic quacks trying to make a quick buck off of insurance money, but it's medically and scientifically irresponsible to claim that all chiropractors have no value in any circumstances. Just see for yourself.
As a bunch of " hocus pocus, guesswork, and strongly held religious beliefs." Aside from things like humor theory, astrology and alchemical theories were freely mixed into medieval and Renaissance medicine. For centuries there was little reason not to prefer alternative medicinal theories to academic medicine.
But the fact that conventional medical training was done at great academic centers gave it a long term advantage. As empiricism became the basis of scientific inquiry, medicine adopted it too. Medical empiricism has never been quite so robust as scientific empiricism, but by 1900 you were probably better off with a medical doctor than with the village herbalist, faith healer, or random quack. A hundred years earlier that'd have been a dubious proposition.
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"chiropractic as a whole hasn't evolved like other areas of medicine" because they haven't embraced the same biased experimentation protocol, corruption tactics and narrow mindedness.
Not all chiropractors do medical quackeryas the articles title would suggest. Mine is evidence based, they took x rays, let me know I have scoliosis and recommended some things I could do to keep my condition in check. No hocus pocus there, although I did accidentally go to a homeopathic chiropractor once that tried to remove emotional damage from my abdomen with some kind of witchcraft.
... anything else. That it is an old tradition only has to do with the fact that knowlege about the skeleton and the muscular body is easy to come by simply by looking at it and pocking around. British Chiropracters are know to have a solid anatomical and related medical knowlege and there are methods know that actually are a few hundred years old that work.
That there also is a lot of foo-foo wah-wah and homeopathy nonsense around with Chiropracters is a problem, but manual therapy itself isn't pure non-sense. For instance, I'd take a very old and traditional Tai massage over a modern medical massage just about any time, even though they too have some magic stuffed mixed into their very solid tradition.
Truth be told, manual therapy works and if you're not entirely stupid, can observe and learn a little about anatomy you can figure out a lot about your self. However, and this is just as true: Chiropractice is nigh pointless if not accompanied by systematic training to handle the problematic regions of your body. If you don't do that, you'll always be going back to the Chiropracter. A good one in my book would know how to give good training and excersize advice.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I have been to two different chiropractors - I changed because the second one had better equipment and ordered me some things that have helped that my insurance provided (water pillow, back pump, TENS unit, and pain cream - basically icy hot). She did suggest magnesium aspertate as a medicine that helps muscles relax. I don't know the bullshit level of that specifically but most times I went in I either got a really helpful adjustment - or got a really helpful massage that focused on the parts of the back that hurt worst, or the areas that were hurting due to the back pain like sciatica etc.. I never really heard anything that suggested old, debunked sciences - they did everything they could to either adjust my spine so the pressure would be taken off the muscles, or to release tension of the muscles so that the spine could then be adjusted. These theories that muscles affect what your joints do I think is pretty well proven - and I have been able to make great progress by knowing hot to adjust my spine - go in and get it done, or give in and get steroid injections. By the way - they didn't have steroid injections listed anywhere in any religious texts, or back as early as pre 1900. So - I say again - this article is what is bullshit.
They're only about three miles apart. I guess it is obvious to you that they're frauds.
If you are into alternative medicine that involves the “manipulation of muscle tissue and bones”, I’d suggest seeing a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.) rather than a quack chiropractor. I’m not a fan of osteopathy but, at least, that field has properly educated medical doctors (the aforementioned D.O.s): in the U.S., those are normal physicians with an added specialisation in osteopathy, and they will therefore have the ability to use the gamut of modern medicine like any physician. (On the other hand, I’d suggest avoiding the non-D.O. plain “osteopaths”, who are not physicians.)
One of my best friends decided to become a chiropractor, years ago -- so I got to learn a fair bit about that whole process and the challenges it presented.
First off? Yeah, it's true. A whole lot of people become a chiropractor because they're looking for a profession they can make a lot of money in, without all the studying required for a genuine medical degree. This isn't unlike a lot of people who go into dentistry though, either. In other words, it's not really a reason to write the whole field off as useless. It just means you've got to navigate the "minefield" of people who care more about buying their next luxury car or vacation home than your health.
But the other issue is, chiropractors do generally struggle to get well established. The guys with the big practices running ads on the radio constantly are the few that the rest of them aspire to be someday. People like my buddy started out genuinely wanting to help people manage their pain without resorting to getting all doped up on pain medications. That's, IMO, pretty legitimate. Problem is -- that doesn't quite pay the bills. His chiropractic college he graduated from put him almost 6 figures in student loan debt, and then he had to take out the small business loan for his own office and equipment. What usually happens is the struggling chiro says, "You know.... I could really use something to pad my revenue and pay the rent on this place. I know this lady who does acupuncture who needs an office to work out of....", or "Nobody ever got hurt taking a few essential vitamins and minerals. I should start selling some of these on the side." Before long, their practice is hawking all sorts of nonsense alternative medicine (because there's a demand for that from those who believe in it), and it's all justifiable if you view it as the power of the placebo effect and state of mind playing a role in how healthy you feel.
I think some people truly do get benefit from chiropractors, and that's a big reason insurance companies will still pay out for visits to them after car accidents. If it was pure quackery, they would have refused to give them a dime long ago. I used to know a gal, for example, who had some serious back problems. On a good day, she'd be up walking or running about like nothing was wrong at all. But she had occasional situations where her back would literally seize up, and she couldn't straighten herself back up after bending over, or found she couldn't get up out of bed in the morning. Traditional doctors didn't have a whole lot to offer her, besides highly addictive pain pills.They put her on disability so she got her monthly payment from SSI and didn't have to work. But really, that whole thing was a rather sad "solution". (90% of the time, she was as mobile as anyone else. There had to be a way she could hold down a job despite her issues.) She figured out that regular visits to a chiropractor really helped loosen up tight back muscles and certain adjustments gave her temporary pain relief and less likelihood of her back totally freezing up on her. She couldn't afford to go often, but did so when she could get a deal from a chiropractor who took pity on her situation.
The blurb up top states "... chiropractic as a whole hasn't evolved like other areas of medicine ..."
The proper term for the practice should be chiropracty. I don't know how "chiropractic" came about, but it is commonly used.
Psychology is a another pseudo science that isn't susceptible to the scientific method. There is now a replication crisis among the social sciences. Freud invented psychology because he couldn't make a living as a neuroscientist. But because he was a neuroscientist, he claimed his methods were scientific. Nearly one hundred years later we now have nearly 1/5th of the western population taking anti-depressants (prescribed by doctors and psychiatrists) without any proof that they actually work. Psychology has given rise to people who engage in a kind of shallow self obsession without pain self examination.
20+ yrs ago - for a week my back hurt so bad I could hardly stand, riding a motorcycle a chore. I went to a chiropractor.
He put me sideways and tried to bend or bow my back. third try I farted and my back fell into place; hasn't been a problem since.
but I did take a skeptical look at the gadget with flashing LED's that he first ran over my body.
One of the prime therapies that chiropractors do is using electrical stimulation. You end up feeling better, at least for a while. You can buy cheap "tens" units, google for "tens unit" cheap and they do the same thing, and you can use them while mobile, not just lying on your back. Make sure to get the electrode pads as well if you are in constant pain, but IMHO, ever house should have one, just like many other first-aid measures.
I don't think I've ever seen squiggly onhover animated links like at The Outline.
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Allowed to practice? Dude, the first GOOP cult reunion just happened. Chiropractors will at least give you a rough spanking or massage, and try sell some snake oil or something. There are so many things worse regarding health and "alternative medicine" that I think it's pretty understandable why chiropractors are kinda overlooked. :P
Not that I'd fall for shit like that, but you know.
I go to a chiropractor periodically; if they can't do what needs to be done in two or three sessions, it likely won't help.
But, after I ditched the first quack (Schwartz on Sepulveda), I found a pretty good one who helped me better understand my muscles and what is causing my pain. It is 50-50 on if I come away feeling better, and when I do massages most aren't really properly qualified to address my issues. I recommend him to my friends, and afterwards they are generally appreciative of the care given.
The issue with the majority of back pain is in how people walk. I wish that had been adequately explained to me in actionable terms 20 years ago!
But going to a chiropractor for nutritional health advice... well, whatever. I (visibly) roll my eyes when my chiropractor starts going on about that crap.
I understand this is slashdot where mention of acupuncture is overrun by pseudo engineer doublespeak and hand waving about double blind tests but a good friends mother was, literally, almost killed by a series of chiropractors and then cured, slowly and not fully, by a series of acupuncturists. A chiropractor told her, once again literally "you have two or three years to live" and she couldn't walk without crying. She stumbled into an acupuncturists office and 45 minutes of weird needles later realized that, while the pain wasn't entirely gone, it was the first time in years the pain wasn't blinding. She wrote a few great magazine articles on it that predate the web.
Yeah insert your idiotic rant now and add as much racism as floats your boat. Results matter. For certain people acupuncture works. And if it's "just a placebo" but we're talking about pain relief what, exactly, is the difference. Maybe it was the mumbo jumbo not the weird herbs and nitric oxide effect. But the pain was gone.
I've got many more success stories regarding acupuncture and horror shows from chiropractic (mal)practice. That one is the happiest.
Try hearing aid vendors, who rip off patients, mostly elderly, who don't realize a cellphone is doing the same work for less than a hundred dollars. Or a eye doctor, who sells overpriced bits of plastic.
And the NRA won't let anybody do anything about it since they hate the idea of regulation of anything related to guns.
TFA is bullshit. Speaking from personal experience, chiropractors - who aren't all created equal, just as doctors aren't - are legitimate care providers. My chiro fixed years of chronic pain in a few treatments.
All a doctor can do about chronic low level pain is deal you drugs.
My chiropractor is a Doctor of Chiropractic, and has never mentioned any alternative medicine. The field is regulated and accredited in Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_in_Canada), which may explain why they are a bit more focused. Often they share offices with physical therapists and massage therapists, so look after the issues that most MDs don't look after.
From some of the comments, I think I would be concerned about going to a chiro in the US, especially if there is no significant accreditation or standards.
They might pull crap in California or New York, but I've never seen a chiropractor recommend scented candles, hugs, or witchcraft. Just a few adjustments here and there for about half an hour as needed and send you out the door. All a doctor is going to do, if they don't schedule a chiropractor, is prescribe you an opiod. Pharmaceutical companies are getting pissed at alternative medicine and you wouldn't believe how many of them are forking the bill for these "studies" and conferences to descredit people. I don't condone this personally, but here's an example with Marijuana: https://theouterlinux.com/2016.... Yes it's on my site, but I like to keep an open mind if the arguments are sound. In a nutshell, people are switching to medical marijuana instead of opioids and fighting that battle has become a lost cause for pharmaceutical companies. Some zeitgeist work out for the better, most for the worst. So now, pharmaceutical companies are attacking every alternative out there. To their credit though, A LOT of alternatives are "snake oil" and having the the purest form of a drug, even if synthetic, rather than from tree bark, is much better for you.
Are they as big of frauds as Trump? Didn't fucking think so.
Two years back I started having stabbing pain in my lower back. Went to the doctor, noticed muscle spasms, gave me some drugs and suggested do some stretching and get a nice mattress. Buy a top of the line tempurpedic. Does nothing, back pain continues for more than a month.
Go to chiropractor, get x-ray, create plan, get adjusted several times that week. Pain is gone, never to return.
Penn and Teller called "Bullshit!" on chiropractors literally on their show "Bullshit!" back in 2003-ish.
You're not getting that from an MD in the states. You may be getting that from a DO. What you're mislabeling is actually painkillers in conjunction with physical therapy, so that the PT isn't nearly as unpleasant, and so that you can sleep. Hell of a lot different than magic back crunching.
What the fuck Chiropractor has this author been going to? Some new age one? Mine has a degree is biology and teaches at a university. She knows how joints and the skeletal system works and actually fixes problems.
Using "birth" as a verb is the mark of an illiterate.
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I had some relatively minor - most of the time, sometimes not minor at all - trouble with back pain for well over 10 years.
A physical therapist fixed me right up. It took over a year, and I was doing the exercises she recommended every day, EVERY day, for over a year.
also too, massage is extremely useful. i find that it provides very nice temporary relief and it makes it easier to keep things from getting out of whack.
the problem, as is often the case, is that you need a good physical therapist and good LMT.
Absolute statements are never true
"Crooked"
this is the pot calling the kettle black.
MDs sell pseudoscience even though they have peer review, and allegedly use "scientific method."
they found out money influences the outcomes of their studies. they always find something that's harmful and not effective, safe and effective. they lie about the actual data in their summaries, and hide the actual data releasing only falsified summaries. many of these abuses are most exposed in the psychiatric industry, where deadly brain damaging drugs that actually prevent recovery, reduce recovery, and induce schizophrenia are the standard medical treatment while more effective less intrusive methods aren't used.
we have affidavits, 20 year studies, and more that have debunked psychiatry, yet the entire field of MD medicine continues prescribing deadly psychiatric drugs and concocting fake medical science to support itself.
the United Nations supports the field of antipsychiatry, and in several places in Europe they have abandoned the fraudulent western "medical model" in favor of alternatives, because it works better. the UN has repeatedly called for the United States to stop itself, labeling psychiatry torture, asking for an ending of the game of deadly medication.
yet MDs continue to do what they do calling themselves more scientific than chiropractors? hey at least chiropractors work on people functionally, choosing less disabling less deadly treatment options than MDs. MDs prefer to set up for profit treatment models involving using unnecessary surgeries to remove body tissue, and medication that does not help and only induces illnesses - both options cannot be reversed, whereas chiropractors choose to try to fix peoples bodies without the deadly unneeded mutilation, or at least give you something to help you cope better with your issues.
here's a few links:
psychiatric drugs reduce recovery from 80% to 5%: https://www.madinamerica.com/2...
UN asks for psychiatry to stop using drugs on people, to develop a new approach: https://www.madinamerica.com/2...
affidavits on deadly problems caused by psychiatry: http://psychrights.org/Litigat...
http://psychrights.org/Litigat...
http://psychrights.org/States/...
cchr.org madinamerica.com psychrights.org mindfreedom.org
whoever allowed this fraud post on Slashdot needs murdered. seriously.
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What does this have to do with tech?
I equate chiropractors to getting my dick sucked for medicinal purposes. It feels really good in the short term, but doesnt fix a damn thing.
Got a bad back? Go and see a medically qualified physiotherapist.
is very much about snake-oil and putting on a show to impress on people. Quacks, simply, like much in American practice, but don't use this to attack genuine chiropractice, because what you read here may apply in the U.S. but very, very little in the world as whole.
I think chiropractors are great. They have training on the spine, and can fix the average person with back problems. They are also affordable, and can be paid in cash up front, unlike doctors in the USA. Chiropractors are low tech, with the exception of a x-ray. That means cheap.
If a chiropractor can't fix a back problem, then you should see a full blown back doctor. But, that won't be the case for most people. I think there should be chiropractor like 'medical technicians' for different body parts.
And it actually helps you. When all the doctors can offer you is drugs and nothing.
Lots of comments here about the time a chiropractor managed to help with back pain.
Listen, you morons. There's a type of medical professional called a "physiotherapist" who does "bone stuff" like chiropractors, but is actually part of the mainstream medical system.
A chiropractor isn't like a backyard mechanic or unlicensed electrician who can probably do a better job than a complete amateur. In my opinion, they're even worse. They haven't gone into business without a qualification, they've actively pursued a bogus qualification.
Most of the comments so far appear to be anecdotal. What happened to actually applying experimental science? Chiropractors should not have a problem with this if what they do actually works. Generally, I have found (in my unscientific, non-random sampling) that chiropractors and their devotees view the whole thing more like a religion. When the idea of scientific verification is brought into the discussion, the response is to attack the legitimacy of scientific research. Every big lie contains some truth. There is too many faulty medical research studies published, so some criticism is valid. In the main, however, medical science has been advanced by a lot of solid basic and applied research.
Since there is not much financial reward in research that debunks the chiropractic religion, and since there is strong financial incentive for the chiropractic priests to continue, I doubt that we will see much reliable, well done studies on their methods and results any time soon.
I think they serve a purpose for people with temporary strains and mild conditions. But too many probably are just avoiding medical treatments that would resolve their problem. Acupuncture is also effective for mild conditions. But not a cure all for chronic pain caused by a medical condition. I also think many Chiropractors overstep their place and don't tell patients that a medical problem needs to be addressed and evaluated by a doctor not a Chiropractor.
As someone who has used chiros occasionally over the years, and had family members helped over the years, I call bullshit on your bullshit. This was just an irrational rant from someone with no knowledge of the subject.
"I went to my chiropractor and now my back feels great!"
Great, a sample size of one. That really helps us get to the bottom of this thing.
Remove Chiropractic coverage from Medical Insurance. I vaguely remember the fight they had to get medical insurance to cover chiropractic services.
A chiropractic therapy is like a massage. If my doctor recommends it for a few weeks, fine, I'll go. But I'd rather visit a massage therapist for $50/hr instead.
If there aren't double-blind studies proving that any treatment works, forget it. It is quackery.
However, any M.D. will tell you that 50% of all human ailments go away on their own - without treatment. Also it is natural to feel better after **anything** supposed to correct a condition is performed.
The human mind can be the most powerful healing tool.
I had chronic severe headaches my entire life. I remember distinctly in 2nd grade my teacher kept a bottle of Tylenol in her desk with my name on it. I know what you're probably thinking, but this was 30 years ago in a private school, so nobody thought anything of it then. As an adult, I typically had a headache twice a week, and some weeks I had them every day. Two or three times a year they were so bad I would have to leave work.
Last year I tried some chiropractic care as a hail mary for another medical issue. It didn't help with what I walked in the door for, and made my long-abused back feel worse, but I haven't had a headache since my first visit around a year ago. I discontinued my visits last August, so there has been real staying power. I don't know everything chiropractic may benefit, but it certainly helped me with my headaches. If I find them returning, I wouldn't hesitate to return for an adjustment or two.
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A perfect time to watch the stars.
- Burden Brothers, "Beautiful Night"
Some chiropractors definitely are quacks, but the training they are provided is not Bullshit. Many years ago, my grandmother was known to have osteoporosis and was complaining of back pain. The chiropractor refused to even touch her back without an X-Ray. After looking at her X-Ray, he highly suspected her to have lung cancer (which was correct) and referred her to a cancer specialist. Now it wasn't caught early enough, but it was caught a lot earlier than it would have been had she not gone to the chiropractor at all.
I saw them in Jurassic Park, they're real!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I had piriformis syndrome that was giving me a lot of pain and visited a chiropractor. He identified the problem, explained it to me in a clear manner, told me what to do about it, and taught me stretching exercises to prevent its recurrence in the future. He charged me $40 per visit (in cash, in full, at time of service) for 3 visits. At the end of the last of visit he told me I didn't need to come back anymore. A masseuse wouldn't have the knowledge, and if I even talked to a doctor for 5 minutes, I'd get three different bills a month and a half later, and they'd add up to way more than $120. I am quite glad I visited that chiropractor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association_v_Singh
worth a read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association
"Though available as a private treatment, chiropractic treatment remains limited within the United Kingdom National Health Service (NHS) and is only recommended by National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) for the treatment of one condition, persistent low back pain. There remains negative, inconclusive or no evidence for any other condition.[30]"
A dry, but good video
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
For a site that supposed to be read by intelligent people, the amount of anicdotes defending this bulshit is incredible...
I weep for the progress of humans looks like the movie Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) was a documentary.
I am skeptical of most chiropractors, but not all. My SO was having terrible problems with her shoulder, and two members of my family who are doctors independently recommended a chiropractor in the town where they practice. He has worked as a trainer for five Olympic teams (including one of the Canadian teams in Rio).
She went to one appointment with him and after some excruciating poking and prodding, she immediately improved the movement in her shoulder. Three more appointments, and her shoulder has been close to normal for over a year. He didn't try to sell her anything or get her to make a series of appointments. He also didn't spout any nonsense about aligning her spine or "subluxations".
He also treated a local surgeon who had been suffering crippling back pain, and had consulted experts in Canada and the U.S. with no success, even after surgery. He saw Alban a few times and within 6 months was back to training for marathons and triathlons.
So some of these guys are the real deal, you just have to find them.
"Just ask anyone who could barely walk into the Chiropractor's office, and walk out pain-free with a smile."
That's exactly what happened to me, except I couldn't walk in; I had to be carried.
One back adjustment and the pain vanished, as if it had never been there.
My chiropractor knew exactly what he was doing. He told me the pain would return in a couple of days (it did) and that he'd have to do an adjustment twice a week for about 6 weeks. We did that and I didn't have an issue after that.
Say what you like about them - it worked for me. Had I gone to a regular MD I would have been given a handful of muscle relaxants and pain killers, and possibly scheduled for back surgery.
So here is the deal, 'Chiropractors Are Bullshit' , sure they might fix an ache or pain, but your body will slip back into that state. That is why you need to go for regular relalignment appointments.
Also, Chiropracty caries lots of risk, stroke, pinched nerves, broken/cracked/chipped bones and the list goes on. A family member of mine was in a car accident and had a messed up neck, so they went to the Chiropractor. Next thing we knew they were on the way to the emergency room with the symptoms of a stroke. The adjustments tore and artery in the neck which lodged in the brain, causing irreversible brain damage from the clot.
I sit in a chair all day like you, and messed up my back. I was in PT (physical therapy) for two summers trying to get better, but I still had chronic pain.
What finally helped?
Core strength, exercising, moving.
Now, 3-4 times per week I exersise. 20-30 minutes of cardio, followed by 30 minutes of core/back strengthening exercises.
I am healthy, fit, and strong AND NO MORE BACK PAIN.
It will take you about 3 months for the pain to go away, but you will see it decline and fade away. I can sit in a chair, play on the floor, pull weeds, pick strawberries, bike ride, life heavy objects.
Make fitness part of your life, you will feel better and can escape regular chiropractor visits and addiction to pain medication.
I could barely walk a few years ago. I couldn't jump without intense back-pain and now I can run, jump, and play in my mid 40's.
Even if you can barely move, start today. Visit your local YMCA, get a trainer, start slow, keep at it, and slowly day-after-day you will make gains and in 3 months your core will be able to take a punch from Mike Tyson and you will be strong and fit.
A strong body core is like a second set of back muscles. It supports you and holds you together. When you tighten your core/stomach it helps you back. immensely.
There are no quick fixes in life, no silver bullets, no magic pills. You have to earn the gains. No one can do it for you. You can't buy it. You can't steal it. It is something that requires routine and a little mental toughness. Do it, it will change your quality of life.
Remember this, by saying, "Oh, I don't have time to work out, exercise, or strengthen my core." what you are really saying is that, "I am choosing not to make my physical fitness and quality of life a priority." Say it outloud 3 times and see how it sounds, "I am choosing not to make this a priority, then add I would rather have back surgery and spinal fusion surgery, and be addicted to pain medicine."
I do it 3-4 time per week at 8PM. I am choosing to make my health and quality of life a priority. I don't want to be in chronic pain. I don't want to visit a quack to crack my bones. I don't want to take 6 Alleve pills per day.
As a side benefit, putting on muscles will help anyone who is pre-diabetic, and it will lower your cholesterol. Exercise has an amazing effect on the body.
Do it. Put down the DAMN COMPUTER and drive to the YMCA or GYM with a trainer NOW. Go, get off your ass. Start slow, give it 3 months and you will be a new person.
Leave NOW!
I "slipped a disk" a few years back and the traditional medical care I received was misguided and useless except for the part where they referred me to PT. I'm really glad I did not opt for surgery! The PT guy quickly massaged and manipulated me into alignment and gave me exercises. Worked faster and better than the medicine and despite a few setbacks actually solved the problem. In my experience with back injury it was traditional medicine that was a scam and money grab.
Over 4 years neither doctors or massage worked.
Chiropractor fixed it in 1 month.
End of story.
Dr. Ernest G. Napolitano, and two of my aunts worked for him in his office there. Snappy dresser, and I got some hand me down suits. So call me biased. :)
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He was one of two first chiropractors in NY, and he and the other fellow took turns bailing each other out of jail as the local medical establishment kept getting them locked up.
So I had a good opinion of chiropractors before I ended up needing one. I call what I received "the mother of all adjustments". I got all the prep work done first, X-rays, diathermy, session on the bed with the rollers, and finally the adjustment. I had been suffering from a numbness in the arm that had me shaking it and pummeling it to make the tingling go away when I was in bed. Pain in the neck and back, numbness going down the leg. I was working as a clam digger at the time.
Anyway, so now I'm getting pegged down onto the table. My doctor was a big guy, an athlete, and kept repositioning the pegs to make them tighter and tighter. It finally felt like they were grinding against my hips. He then put a towel under my neck and began rotating my neck while telling me to relax, and breathe in and out. That went on until I was pretty well zoned out. He then pulled up on the towel, and the crack I got could be heard all around the room. There were gasps from the other patients. I felt it down my ribcage as though it had been separated. My back got straightened out, and the pain and numbness was gone.
I later saw Doctor Napolitano at a wedding, and he remembered my chiro as being a good student, and a good basketball player. Lol, it was cool to be able to drop the name of the person who signed my chiro's diploma when I next saw him on a followup. He remembered my aunts as well, as they collected tuition payments.
A few years later I had to all but carry my brother in due to his back being in agony and his spine being out of line. Some diathermy treatments, the rollers, and then an adjustment, and he was back to clamming again, which he still does today, at the age of 63. I know other clammers that use chiropracters, as do a number of gym rats. "If your spine is line, then you'll feel fine", and for otherwise healthy people whose exertions put their back out of whack, a chiropractor can be a sound choice for a fix.
One last anecdote. Dr. Nap was something of a local legend when he practiced, his office was always full, and he'd have a line out the door, and stretching to the sidewalk. Lol, those were some damn fine suits that I was gifted with. :)
From Wikipedia: "Chiropractic is a form of alternative medicine mostly concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of mechanical disorders of the musculoskeletal system, especially the spine.[1][2] Proponents claim that such disorders affect general health via the nervous system.[2] "
If you approach this from the perspective that your back (your spine specifically) carries all the roots of nerves, and instructions to and from various parts of your body... its quite sensible that it can and is a core component of the body that needs to be paid close attention to. Just as much, if not more than your "rock hard core" for overall long term health (sit up straight... as you've been told all your life but still don't... duh).
As programmers / Engineers / frequent computer jockeys I have seen first hand (and lived it my whole life since my first TI-99) that we have AWFUL posture when working. Which to be honest is roughly 16 hours a day for me. If your monitor is too low on your desk your neck will literally reverse its curvature (I have seen my own XRays that proved this). I have an oversized noggin to boot... so by the time I was in college I woke up everyday with a mild headache which frequently became worse as the day went on. I just assumed this was the way of life. My Doctors gave me all kinds of muscle relaxers and even several forms of migraine medicine to combat the problem.
Meanwhile... my wife, whom had broken one of the tabs off the vertebrate in her back when she was younger training horses and went to a Chiropractor pretty religiously (as Doctors had told her she would need extreme surgeries to lock her back in place and would likely not be able to walk in 10 years at all...) keeps her vertebrate in place. (Shes 52 now... almost 30 years later and walks dogs for a living...)... Anyway... she kept extolling the virtues of Chiropractors... and if I didn't know her medical history first hand would have had the exact same opinion as most of the folks above... witchdoctors... quakery... but knowing her background it was hard to be entirely dismissive. So I reluctanly went to see her Chiropractor.
The Doctor took XRays. He then pointed out very clearly the curvature of my spine at my neck going the wrong way. It is supposed to act like a shock absorber... mine was essentially putting all the weight of my head directly at the bottom of my neck. My Engineering brain said... maybe there is something to this, I'll give him a chance.
It took around 4-5 visits... going every 2 days (and the first couple days I was INCREDIBLY sore as muscles that were used to fighting against the bad position they were in suddenly were freed up... this is where the massage therapist would have been nice to add to the treatment).... and for the first time in as long as I could remember... I woke up without a headache. Whats more, over time (it took another 3 weeks of visits every 2 days before we backed off to once a week, then once every 2 weeks, now (years later) I go when I can feel it starting to get out of whack again... the migraines subsided almost entirely and headaches rarely affect me anymore. I also don't get out of bed like Dracula anymore.
In summary, it should be obvious that having an inappropriately aligned spine can cause difficulties (being the central path to so much of our nervous system. I have no idea why people are so quick to write off entire groups of people for the few that exploit the system. As has been mentioned above there are plenty of pill pushers in the medical system, just as there are "crystal" pushers in the chiropractic system... this is usually because of the extremely high costs associated with being in this line of business.... whether due to litigation and insurance, or education and office costs. At the base of it is the fact that corrections can help if you have a problem in this area... and I'd rather have someone that trained to do it for years rather than someone trained to understand hematology for example. Treat it like Dentists (and sadly the Doctors are goi
Anecdotal evidence on chiropractors...my wife uses one to keep her back pain in check. She swears it works. She's happy, it only costs me $50/month, so I'm happy.
Sir you are in such terrible shape because you sit in a chair 12 plus hours a day. Your posture is terrible, and your shoulders are pulled forward from all of the mousing and typing and monitors flat on desks.
I can help adjust you to appropriate posture which will relieve a lot of built up tension temporarily. We will likely need to continue this practice for relief until you address the other problems.
Tldr what I see are a bunch of sour posters, because some guy cannot bend you into a HWP BMI appropriate shape (with muscle to maintain it) in one visit.
Chiropractors may be bullshit, but so is the biopharm industry.
Physical therapists give nearly the same advice as a chiro after the 'therapy' which is:
Stop being a fat slob with awful posture and terrible muscle support.
Chiropractic works because placebos work. Placebos have been shown to cause release of endorphins. In addition the "laying on of hands" probably also causes release of oxytocin.
Of course, instead of endorphins you can take opiates, and instead of laying on of hands to get oxytocin you could eat chocolate.
In addition, people think they are better when actually they aren't. There's a reason why careful science requires a lab notebook.
How is this related to tech or open source in particular? This article seems pure opinion. Aren't there moderators here anymore?
I had my atlas bone out of place in my neck. I quickly learned where the phrase pain in the neck came from. I couldn't do anything and even turning over in bed was really hard to do. A couple visits the a local Chiropractor resolved it. I felt it when the bone went in the right place. It made all the difference. I've been back since for upper or lower back pain and has almost always made things better.
Most non-serious back issues heal in 6 weeks without treatment. If you're not sure if you have a serious back problem, see a physician. Avoid early surgery, unless the problem will get worse without it. Try to resist the temptation to pay charlatans and frauds. Many people are idiots, and can't resist; hence chiropractors.
When someone says, "My chiropractor...," just smile and nod. Understand that they have just admitted either grave irgorance or idiocy. Sometimes it can be hard to tell; sometimes you don't have the time to bother. Take their wisdom with a grain of salt. How do they fix computers and networks? Manipulation? Give them an adjustment?
Bottom line chiropractors don't research or publish, because if they did, it would show them to have similar efficacy to placebo. Don't take the bait. Chiropractors are frauds. The pleural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'
I read somewhere recently (here?) that yoga can be just as good for back pain as any of many alternatives (including chiropractors).
In the history of medicine, school of thought bashing is as old as sickness itself.
When they try to sell you everything under the sun, then you have BS. When they adjust your back and neck, and keep it to that, they do great.
I will agree with those who take issue with the come see me every 2-3 weeks ad infinitum. I don't need adjusting that much, just when the tensions build up too much.
"If it was invented after I was born, it is subject to my precious evaluation.
If it is something old, like knowledge acquired in the last 5 or 10 thousand years, well, that's essentially BS. If you wanna object to that conclusion, good luck in talking to others, 'cause that's my precious opinion. Oh, BTW, fsck you."
Ok how does one attribute ANY credibility to an article dishing a subject/position/profession/whatever which uses the following:
"As the legend goes, chiropractic medicine was born on September 18, 1895."
If you are going to use the language the article author used (tone/authority/etc) you might want to use part of your basis to be more than legend or as its also called folklore....
By I digress-let me explain:
I grew up in rural Texas raising cattle and teaching myself BASIC on a used Trash 80 with dual floppies. Xmas break of 8th grade the family took our sole skiing vacation Red River, NM where I got f\run over by a hot dogger who clipped me in my right knee from behind at a high rate of speed which resulted in me jamming my lumbar vertebrae to where a few hours on Xray my lumbars were canted from the impact to one side. take your right index finger and made a C shape with it and thats what they looked like.
We get home and I complain of lower back pain every time I have to handle anything over 50 pounds( daily activity of a kid raising cattle). Finally parents give in and take me to a ortho doc-does examine and Xrays-get clean bill of health.
Several years go by and as a punishment for I cant rememeber what is that I take a 10 pd sledgehammer and break rock our new plow has dung up in a grain field. I am to do this until I get told I can stop. I know I will be watched from a distance as this field was on the back 40 of our place.
I break rock with a diligence until I throw my right shoulder out to point it just dangles lifeless. SO I hoist the sledge up to my left shoulder and let gravity drop it to the rock. Dad notices this and comes barreling out to me in his truck assuming Im now clowning around and is planning to whip the shit out of me.
Instead I get taken to this sweet nice bear sized guy who puts my shoulder into place and aligns the rest of my spine.
Did it hurt Yes-was uit scary hell yes. Was it a good pain and would I recommend it to others -sure just dont go to the first chiro you find.
Chiropractors are just like any other profession-they come in all kinds, they have different focuses and treatment approaches. To a surgeon the obvious solution to any problem is to cut. Chiropractors look to adjust spinal alignments.
And if the article author had done unbiased research or any real research he would FIND there are valid peer reviewed scientifically valid research studies done on chiropractic care and treatments. I have read some of it. Cant remember the journals but I read in my chiro's office. I graduated with a minor in chemistry so I can recognize real research vs the crap that passes for it today. (Read this around 1990).
Chiro has its uses just like acupuncture (never wanted to be a pincushion so never tried it) -just like surgery works when you have bad gallstones.
Whenever I have problems, I consult my Haitian Lugaru. Yes, sometime she is wrong, but doesn't charge as much as the certified quacks I do see.
Apparently the only one who is also a computer programmer and thus happened to chance across this level of garbage and misinformation puked out by the slashdot community. I can assure you there would be no chiropractic except for the whole foundation of failed medical patients that came into my office every day after spending multiples of thousands of dollars on dangerous drugs and unnecessary surgery, many of them maimed for life.
There's really nothing to say to these slurs and ignorant statements. It just goes to show what's out there. It's kind of sad actually.
The article doesn't actually say chrorpracty doesn't work. What it says is that the very top, most well-known chiropracters, push other sorts of nonsense (alkaline diet, probably crystals).
How about "real" doctors or "real" psychiatrists. The normals ones don't promote crap. But we're not talking about average chriopracters either. How about the doctors that have their own tv show (Phil) or that get on Oprah? Those well-known "real" doctors are always pushing something that's not always actually medical.
Apples and oranges. Cherry-picked examples.
Martin Gardner had included a section on "chiropractic medicine" in his book Fads and Falacies in the name of Science. He argued that it was BS too.
...richie - It is a good day to code.
I've seen a number of them over the years. When my back gets out of line. When it does you can visually see when I walk that something's wrong. After a session, the spine is back in line and on its way to healing.
My Daughter had a neck injury. She'd used to fall to the floor screaming. Equestrian related injury. Took some years. She'd see the Chiro when needed. Today she's fine.
The alternative for a lot of these situation is either addictive type drugs or surgery. Don't let them cut you if you can help it.
There are several things in the article that are true: Chiropractors do tend to push the envelope. However, there is a reason that they are on Staff with sports teams, etc.
I injured my right knee in College. Had trouble walking and pain in the knee. Went to my GP who sent me to a specialist who said surgery to fix it. I happened to go down to the beach where my mom sent me to her own specialist (free as she paid, heck was in university). The Chiropractor proceeded to inform me he was on staff with Atlanta Hawks (this was.. what 25 years ago now.. longer) and then worked on my knee for 6 sessions. I no longer had pain and had full strength. What he did was painful as he told me the problem was not the knee but the damage had not been removed in the supporting muscles. He basically pushed and did work that fixed the damage to almost perfect. I maintained a 5-10 degree outward angle as the support muscles had not healed exactly the original. It did not affect my sports, life, in fact I think the surgery would have been worse.
I also had a slipped disk in my back (twice) and time 1: went to regular doctor who gave me drugs... 3 days later I could walk again. The second time I went to chiropractor and walked out of the office. Reason? Slipped discs are back in place.. the problem is my body reacted to it, so she calmed my back and areas with electrical stimulation. My god.. it worked.
I have also had surgery on my elbow due to another sports injury. No pain, but I have lost strength. Before surgery I hit Homeruns regularly, After.. I have yet to hit one. I cant seem to get the speed/strength fully back into it. No pain so I dont complain. It was torn cartilage and so Chiropractor would not have helped I think.
So. Doctors are emergency medicine. I go to them all the time. Chiropractors are great for some things, just be careful... as with regular doctors you get a quack.
What do you call the person who graduated last in class in medical school?
Doctor.
I can program myself out of a Hello World Contest!!
I think chiropractors are mixed, and they run the gauntlet from kooks to legitimacy.
1. I have serious issues impairing movement and causing pain. And had a chiropractor identify the muscle, and the misalignment. Work the muscle, adjust the vertebrate. Suddenly, I went from a very limited range of motion and pain to being able to move and an 80% reduction in pain.
2. I have another chiropractor I've gone to periodically. This chiropractor takes an X-ray of all his patients. He identifies bone growths, anomalies, damage, etc. He does alignments, he also has some tools to adjust. He conducts range of motion tests. He identifies areas that are impaired. He prescribes particular exercises and stretches to improve range of movement.
So yes, chiropractic care can be very scientific and true medical care. But it can also be a lot of crap and pseudo-science.
BTW, for us programmers, one of the best exercises to alleviate a lot of my problems is to hold your head straight, and then pull back with your muscles while keeping your head level. You'll feel it stretch muscles at the very top of the neck where it connects to the base of the skull. This exercise, and just doing it a few times a day, made a tremendous difference. It helps counteract out constant staring down, up, etc. as PC users.
BJ Palmer did a great service by helping his fellow's relieve tensions in the bones thru adjustments to the skeletal frame. I don't give a damn if he did seances for recreation or not. This article is just a hit piece\black PR. I expected better new reporting from Slashdot in the future.
Screw this article! Dumb!
Chiropractic has now evolved into a technology blended in
With kinesiology and nutrition to form NRT. Nutritional Response Testing was developed by Dr Freddie Ulan and it works. See his YouTube videos, and be your own judge.
The Tech of adjustments to the skeletal frame has gone beyoned BJ Palmer in the 19 century. We now have NRT. Nutritional Response Testing developed by Dr Freddie Ulan. See his YouTube videos. It works. I highly recommend it. This article is nothing but a hit piece. I'm disappointed in Slashdot for this one
But the chiropractor I went to stated up front was to correct posture so you don't need to come back to him.
After seeing what I was doing to my spine and a few "corrections", my headaches have stopped, my lean is gone and I generally feel much better after he taught me techniques to improve posture.
Do you actually expect those who submit articles on /. to know their ass from a hole in the ground? If so, you really need to start paying attention.
Cracking your back and neck isn't anecdotal. It is almost as common as eating. Almost everyone, nearly 100% of human beings, crack their own backs or necks back into place. A huge percentage do it daily.
Sometimes we can't adjust our bones ourselves, however. A person's bones aren't aligned for whatever reason. Maybe we pulled them out lifting something. We got in a car accident. We fell and landed weird.
Putting the bones back in place is not bullshit. If a bone breaks, we put it back into place. If we don't it heals in the wrong place and is misshapen for life. The muscles and tendons around this can also be altered for life.
Sometimes bones get out of place without breaking, usually at a joint. Because the bones are out of place, joints can rub, muscles can get tight, tendons can be stretched, causing pain. If left in the wrong place, muscles and joints can heal in the wrong place and be altered.
Now, stating that: "Claiming that putting the bones back in place can cure cancer is bullshit" is something I can agree with. However, I will concede that overall health of a person contributes to a person's risk of cancer and having bones in proper position is part of overall health. But any additional correlation should be treated as a fraudulent claim.