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Mozilla Employee Denied Entry To the United States (gizmodo.com)
Reader Artem Tashkinov writes: Daniel Stenberg, an employee at Mozilla and the author of the command-line tool curl, was not allowed to board his flight to the meeting from Sweden—despite the fact that he'd previously obtained a visa waiver allowing him to travel to the US. Stenberg was unable to check in for his flight, and was notified at the airport ticket counter that his entry to the US had been denied. Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears among international tech workers, who fear they'll miss out on work and research opportunities if they're not allowed to travel to the US. The situation even caught the eye of Microsoft's chief legal officer Brad Smith, who tweeted at Stenberg to offer legal assistance.
As the US moves towards isolation and protectionism with both its immigration and tariff plans, it may turn into another hermit kingdom clone of DPRK and you could see states like Russia or China move to preeminence in world affairs, with Trump presiding over a culturally homogeneous but irrelevant and poverty stricken country.
I don't like, I'm going to say "fuck it" and link them anyways.
So he's traveling from Sweden, which has nothing to do with the travel ban. So why does the article keep mentioning the travel ban?
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
The wireless alliance I belong to had a meeting 6 years ago in Canada. A Mexican worker who lived in the USA, who repeatedly asked before hand if there would be any issue, was denied entry. We haven't had a meeting in Canada since.
When you consider the major cost to events like these is the time of the engineers, hassles like missing key people or having to scramble to get a 3rd implementer of feature X suddenly cost more than flying to a nice country where the immigration isn't a bunch of assholes. Cuba would be nice if they had better internet.
Since this about the inventor of the curl, this is obviously a slap in the face to Arnold Schwarzenegger by the Trump administration.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/24/schwarzenegger-and-macron-vow-make-planet-great-ag/
The author of curl denied entry by airport employees that were informed...probably by curl. Think about it.
So, will Mozilla (and other multinational organisations) stop holding their all employee meetings in the USA and instead choose a place with a better admissions policy?
Come on, Americans: time to get on an international flight to meet up with the world, instead of us having to run the CBP gauntlet every time.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled"
I'm going with a low level employee in the visa waiver checking department (Section 7G?) who had a long queue of waivers and wanted to go out to Joe's going away lunch. They either came back buzzed from a few beers or checked "DENY" on all the visas in the queue so they wouldn't miss the lunch.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket, and it's not all Trump's fault (though he's certainly doing his part). Can you imagine today's USA putting forth the kind of effort and sacrifice that won WWII? Well, aside from the fact that we have very little heavy manufacturing capability any more, and not nearly enough engineers or skilled craftspeople. Unless, of course, WWIII is a videogame war. Then we'd be all set.
Is there anybody else calling curl "the curl"? I am honestly curious.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
He should've flown via Berlin. The airport is such a mess, nobody bothered to check my ESTA, and I also didn't go through *any* security checks during my layover there.
He does not, but he needs an ESTA registration (visa waiver) and his application seems to have been retrospectively rejected.
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
He doesn't have a visa, he has a visa waiver (ESTA). Anyone who doesn't need a visa to visit the US needs to pay $14 to fill in a web form that contains the same information that you'll give to the airlines and which the airlines are required by law to provide to the US government. In return, this data is entered into a database. It specifically does not grant you permission to enter the US (though you can't enter the US without paying the $14). This replaces the old green visa waiver form that you used to have to fill in on the plane prior to landing.
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Even if you are eligible for a visa waiver, you have to get an electronic authorisation to travel from the Electronic System for Travel Authorisation.
I.e. you have to pass a check to have your visa waived, before you can try to have your visa waived, and your approval can be withdrawn at any time. Neither ESTA nor even a visa is reliable, you are still at risk of being refused (and losing your money on hotels, flight tickets, your business, travel, or study opportunity, etc). The USA (and some other countries) cannot be trusted to be reliable in this, the USA in particular.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled"
Only Canada is a visa-free country with respect to the US. Visitors from Europe need a visa, but it can be "waived" in many cases when it is obvious that the person would have been granted a visa. A waiver can be denied for many benign reasons. In that case, he just needs to apply for a visa.
My guess is that this is either employment related (i.e., they are concerned that he is carrying out paid work in the US on a visitor visa), or that it is some legal issue on the Swedish side.
Why does he need a visa to visit the US for a business meeting? Does the US no longer accept Swedish passports? It sounds like Mozilla and Stenberg messed up.
Do you not understand the system? The reason most Swedes and citizens from certain other countries don't need a visa is because of the Visa Waiver program. However, in this case, his waiver is being denied and he'll have to apply for a standard visa (which may or may not be granted and could take 30 days or more).
Perfect unix. One job and does it well.
Saved my career on many occasions.
For those who don't know curl is open source command line tool for doing http (s) requests.
He doesn't. He had previously travelled to the US using the visa waiver program and this time had completed his ESTA.
No, it sounds like some USCIS employee screwed up.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Not in narrow scope, but the broader idea of keeping valuable and useful people out of a country is part of the same fear-driven dysfunction.
I know, the idea that individuals who have something to contribute should be let in and individuals who want to participate in crime directly or indirectly (welfare) should be kept out is too radical for most politicos to handle.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Exactly was is this meeting that it warrants being called 'the meeting'. Sounds like a boondoggle anyway.
Unless that guy has the most Jewish and Western European sounding name ever for a citizen of Iran, Iraq and the other countries on the ban, it's not related. Citizens of about 40 countries, including the vast majority of European countries, are allowed visa free travel to the USA. Apparently we now make citizens of those countries apply for an ESTA which basically is advance approval that they'll be allowed into the US. This system should avoid the problem of having people fly into the US and being denied entry at the airport. Nobody wants that. Stenberg's ESTA was denied but for privacy reasons nobody can comment on why. It could be a mistake. It could be that he did something that raised the ire of the US government (maybe he has a lot of friends in a country the USA doesn't like). Maybe he's very anti-US on social media. Don't know. I wish his lawyers luck. Yeah. Having a lawyer fight this is totally going to be successful (sarcasm there). Eventually it will come out what his problem is. Don't be surprised if, for example, he's been a complete jerk on social media towards the USA or somebody in the government and it came back to haunt him.
In case you wanted to avoid the Russian colony down in the USA.
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Except Canadians, we do not pay anything to enter the USA.
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
We don't need fruity euro techies here. We are going to all have jobs in clean coal!
Sweden is part of the visa waiver program, so normally he wouldn't need a visa. But he does need an ESTA (travel authorization).
The article mention that it was actually the ESTA that was denied, but it is a bit unclear. Also, the denial happened at the airport which is a bit odd. Last time I went to the USA I applied for the ESTA a few weeks in advance and was accepted. Of course it is possible that his was first granted and then revoked, but it all sounds a bit odd.
Get past all the political mumbo jumbo that has nothing to do with the situation and read the last sentence, which comes from a Customs and Border Protection spokesperson: "“Please know that we process 1.2 million people every day—around 700 are denied entry for various reasons. Having an approved ESTA does [not] guarantee a foreign national free entry into the US All travelers including those coming from visa waiver countries must clear all 60 grounds of inadmissibility.”
So, this guy is one of 700 people who are daily denied entry for NOTHING related to Trump's travel ban, but because he has a Twitter account and is a Mozilla employee, "AHHHH!!! TRUMP TRAVEL BAN!!! AHHHH!!! IT'S GOING TO GET EVERYBODY!!! AHHHH!"
In other news, water is wet.
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Beats me. I use a machine at the gym.
Someone googled him, found out about the curl connection, googled curl and found out "curl | sudo" is a security risk. NO SECURITY RISKS ENTER ON MY WATCH. (yes, this is sarcasm)
While there are a whole lot of reasons that come to mind, "person without work permit entering US and receiving cash or cash equivalents" has and probably will prevent people entering. Happens at the Canadian border, and I suspect most borders. Solution in this case is to have documentation about the purpose of the trip of an official nature that would pass scrutiny. Even then, there's a stochastic element as a "week party in SF" strikes some as a $$ benefit...
That's a weak argument. NO Green Party member would have voted for Clinton, ever. The DNC should have fielded a better candidate. As for the article, as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right. You can be denied entry for pretty much any reason.
He doesn't. He had previously travelled to the US using the visa waiver program and this time had completed his ESTA.
No, it sounds like some USCIS employee screwed up.
Maybe it's USCIS's fault, but statistically, most common ESTA denials are sadly a result of typos and missing answers to one of the mandatory questions.
Passport is for identification, a visa is required for all non-citizens as permission to enter.
whoosh yourself. Here is what "the curl" means:
In vector calculus, the curl is a vector operator that describes the infinitesimal rotation of a 3-dimensional vector field. At every point in the field, the curl of that point is represented by a vector. The attributes of this vector (length and direction) characterize the rotation at that point.
I never heard "the curl" when talking about curl training.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
He probably supported California's Proposition 8 with a donation or something
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Beats me. I use a machine at the gym.
Your gym has a snack machine too?
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Except Canadians, we do not pay anything to enter the USA.
Except your soul! (evil laugh)
as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right.
I don't think many people are arguing that these travel restrictions are illegal, just that they are stupid and counterproductive. My company has offices in San Jose and Shanghai. Since our employees in China have difficulty getting visas to come to America for meetings and conferences, the Americans go to Shanghai instead, putting money into the Chinese economy, eating at Chinese restaurants, and staying at Chinese hotels.
Since American employees incur these additional travel expenses, we are more biased toward hiring in China instead.
No country has ever thrived by shutting itself off from the world.
Anyway, I am going to Shanghai in July for 3 months, and my family is going with me. We plan to spend plenty of American dollars trying every new restaurant on Nanjing Road, all at company expense (tax deductible). Thank you Donald Trump!
Not relevant if you think he was denied some reason other than Trump's travel ban, but if Trump was the cause, Stein's involvement is documented. She was actively recruited by Flynn and Russians. Check the lovely photo
It's not an ESTA denial. The summary says he had a valid visa waiver at the time.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
When a story completely contradicts your theory about institutional racism, cite racism anyway.
Do you have a one-track mind??
Your gym has a snack machine too?
Not my current gym. The gym I went to before had a snack bar. Smoothies with fresh fruit and whey powder were quite popular.
in fact there's a 95% certainty that you have DNA from sub-saharan africa or northeast asia at some point in your lineage.
More like there's a certainty that more than 95% of your DNA hails from sub-saharan Africa.
The DNC should have fielded a better candidate.
1. The "DNC" chose their candidate about as much as Russia chose our president. Democratic voters "fielded" their candidate. By a big majority.
2. You're obviously not talking "better" as in qualifications, you're talking about someone who gave voters the warm fuzzy feelings. Sure, Hillary did not. Speaking as a democrat who voted for Hillary in the primary, I'm very sorry I overestimated the average voter. No sarcasm, I can't fathom what I was thinking at the time. I guess I thought if the country willingly voted for a black dude twice they'd be capable of voting for a competent woman instead of a reality TV show host who has declared bankruptcy many times? My kids and I are going to be paying the price for that blunder. Next time I'll be sure to vote in the primary for whatever white dude I think will be the least offensive to the hick states and hope he picks competent people to actually do shit.
Err...I"m guessing the "ban" had nothing to do with this.
I mean, I'm taking a wild ass guess, but with a last name of "Stenberg", I'm guessing he's not from one of the few 'banned' majority muslim countries.
And for that matter, I"m willing to go out on a limb and guess, that we in the US aren't exactly getting a lot of our high tech or other types or work from those few middle eastern countries listed on the temporary "ban".
I don't think the US is going to miss that much from those countries....and I seriously doubt this gentleman is caught up in the 'ban'.
Halting travel from these few countries seems quite reasonable.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Where did I say that? What I'm saying is that the other branches of government are doing the job they were intended to do; which is act as a check on the Executive. Your problem isn't with me, it's with Madison, Jefferson et al who were the ones that knew there would be Presidents good and bad, and created a system with the specific intent to limit them.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
But the other 40% may well have changed the outcome. And those 60% spent months spreading the idea that the other 40% shouldn't vote for 'the lesser of 2 evils' and denying the obvious facts that that 'lesser evil' was essentially for most of the Sanders/Stein platform - and could've won and enacted at least some of it.
Look, a binary choice may not be the best form of Democracy, but in our system, that's essentially what we have. However it happened, 'the greater of 2 evils' got elected, a hard-right ideologue got onto the Supreme Court, and we may well lose a once in a lifetime chance to eliminate anti-democratic nonsense like gerrymandered districts. And Citizens United is now locked in for the next generation.
Stein voters had their reasons. Stupid, self-defeating ones, but hey...
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Well, the DNC sure didn't help Sanders. Locking his campaign out of fundraising data it should have had access to for a few days there was lovely. What other internal politics didn't we hear about that contributed to the Coronation? I also wonder who decided to sick #BLM on Sanders?
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
In the end, I voted for Hillary as well.
<sarcasm>
I think that problem is that America just isn't ready for a Lizard Person-American as president yet. There are a lot of things that people don't understand very well about the lizard people, and I initially had some of the same misapprehensions when I voted for Sanders in the primary. For example, Hillary is a natural born citizen just like you or me, even if she's of Thubani heritage. That's one of the things that makes America great, imo. Whether one's ancestors are from thousands of miles away across an ocean or hundreds of light years away across a star ocean, we're all Americans together.
To paraphrase Chancellor Gorkon, I see that our two species have a long way to go.
</sarcasm>
It's not an ESTA denial. The summary says he had a valid visa waiver at the time.
No, it says he had previously obtained a visa waiver, but it doesn't say when or how long ago. What visa waivers he had for previous trips don't matter.
The story explicitly says that the ESTA he filed THIS TIME was denied. Thus, he did not have a valid visa waiver at the time he was traveling. The summary is, as usual, intentionally misleading.
Also, the denial happened at the airport
He was told it was denied while he was standing in the check-in line. That doesn't mean it was denied while he was at the airport.
Of course it is possible that his was first granted and then revoked, but it all sounds a bit odd.
Or it was never approved in the first place, and he assumed that since he'd gotten one before that it was a pro-forma action that he didn't need to check on this time.
Which means he's a Mozlem.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
My company has offices in San Jose and Shanghai. Since our employees in China have difficulty getting visas to come to America for meetings and conferences, the Americans go to Shanghai instead
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs and still allow you to meet with you counterparts in China?
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Not relevant if you think he was denied some reason other than Trump's travel ban, but if Trump was the cause,
And if LRH was the cause, it was because Stenberg's body Thetans were disruptive and blocking his state of clear. This was all documented in the Green Book. It's a miracle the guy got out of the airport before the Sea Org agents scooped him up as a suppressive person and took him to The Camp.
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs
You do realize that using video conferencing instead of face-to-face collaboration doesn't work near as well in practice as it does in theory?
If Skype was a perfect substitute for commuting, the highways of Silicon Valley would be empty every morning.
Keep him out until Firefox stops getting stuck in some kind of processing loop and crashing. I'm getting REALLY sick of that.
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs and still allow you to meet with you counterparts in China?
That depends entirely on the meeting. Video conferences are good for some very basic meetings. Yet there's a world of things that technology just won't change. Strong inter-company relationships aren't made over a video screen. They aren't even made in a meeting room. They're made at the coffee machine, they are made at the dinner table, in the bar, while walking to the car.
My company not only has a policy that specific things need to be face to face, but also a policy of a group outing somewhere when they happen. There's a good reason for it too. Knowing someone on a personal level helps a lot on the work level too.
Not every company counts pennies, some invest in themselves.
I'd be ok if every Canadian visitor just donated a box of those maple cookies...
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
The electoral college is a necessary compromise. It's the same compromise which gave all states equal voice in the Senate while more populous states get a louder voice in Congress. As long as states have a winner-take-all mentality, something like the electoral college is needed. My personal proposal is that there are 2 votes representing the entire state, then 1 vote decided by voters in each congressional district. Of course, the US Constitution gives states the right and obligation to handle elections (determine polling positions, determine how to divvy the electoral votes, etc).
This is why many tech firms provide free on-campus lunches. When random employees share a meal, the conversation often leads to sharing of ideas and opportunities for collaboration.
This is no mistake. They block a white person at random so as to not appear racist.
Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears...
Oh come on.... we can't cry about the real ban... let's look for an unrelated FAKE NEWS story to compare it to.
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And Citizens United is now locked in for the next generation
It should be locked in forever The idea that people do not have the same rights when acting in concert as they do when acting alone is abhorrent, and that's exactly what you're saying when you talk about stifling "corporate speech."
From that point of view, the New York Times should not enjoy the freedom of the press. It's nonsensical.
Yes, there are absolutely problems with money in politics. Stifling speech doesn't fix those.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
Then WHY did they haul this issue into court multiple times?
Those are DIFFERENT restrictions, aimed at keeping muslims out, not Swedes. Those were almost certainly illegal, especially since Donald tweeted that they were specifically aimed at muslims, contradicting his own staff who had claimed otherwise. Multiple courts have declared them illegal, and SCOTUS will hear the case soon, and will likely find at least some of the restrictions illegal.
INS has a lot of latitude in how they interpret and enforce existing laws. They have a number of places they look to for guidance, and the president is likely the largest. Trump is looking for statistics that show he is 'making a difference'. Cost to the economy doesn't appear to be a factor at all, only appearances.
One example I've seen recently is that my wife's company had a Mexican field support engineer denied entry recently, despite having a visa that was valid for his purpose (training). It sounds like he probably described the purpose for his visit incorrectly (along the lines of "I'm going to do some work for my US employer", exactly as he has for many entries over more than a decade, but which is not generally allowed on this visa), so the denial is not totally unreasonable, yet it points to immigration people who are currently looking for reasons to deny entry rather than looking for reasons to allow entry.
And appealing these decisions is difficult to the point of being almost impossible. This engineer may not ever be allowed into the US again under any VISA.
Was Jill Stein a Russian plant when she ran the first time in 2012? If so, does that mean that Romney and Putin were colluding, too?
Is that supposed to make it all less shitty somehow? i don't think it's working!
I'm not a Green Party member, but I usually vote Greens where available. I voted for Stein understanding that my electors would go to Clinton anyway because I'm in California (hoping to ever-so-slightly entice the Democrats to more Greenish policies in the future to recapture that vote), but if I lived somewhere that that would have made it likely my electors would have gone to Trump, I've voted Clinton in a heartbeat.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Just wait until they're done with the brown (and darker people); they'll start divvying up the white people. Then everyone will see who and what the hell they voted for.!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
In my country we number boxes according to preference. There is no penalty for voting for a third candidate.
Scenario:
Don gets 42 votes, Jill gets 25, hill gets 33. Who wins?
Well a quarter didn't vote for either. But if 80% of Jill voters prefer Hill over Don then Hill wins 53 to 47.
As a Canadian I avoid travel to the US now anyway, as do many people I know.
There is nothing there you cannot find elsewhere.
That's what he gets for helping to screw up FireFox.
Table-ized A.I.
Is that supposed to make it all less shitty somehow?
Supposedly
i don't think it's working!
Definitely
IMO, Skype is a poor substitute for dedicated VC hardware (I have experience with Cisco and Tandberg) and a good internet connection. Skype video conferencing is better than a phone call, but nowhere near as good a Cisco conference.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
Sweden has let in a large number of refugees from all 5 of the countries where wars are going on - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia - in which USA is an aggressor and there is reasonable to believe that many of these refugees blame USA for destroying their countries.
It is not such a reach to think Swedish residents can be terrorist threats to USA.
On top of that add that most screening systems are prevented from using religion as a filter , a Swedish citizen with a defintiely non Muslim name may get picked up if the algorithm is not very specific.
**Life is too short to be serious**
I don't think that one can have a "valid visa waiver". It's an oxymoron.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Ah yeah. I'm a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to those things, so I didn't mean to give the impression I thought the electoral college was a bad idea. Besides being in a demographic that's supposed to make me beholden to the D team, Hillary was the first time I voted for either an R or a D for POTUS. I usually go Libertarian.
What I'd meant to express was that all this whinging about the electoral college is bullcrap. I don't think Hillary even showed up once to campaign in my state, which went to Sanders in the primary.
This isn't his first time admitting to tax fraud.
How much do they charge you on the way oot?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Pretty much. For some people hate seems to be eternal. They run out of one group to hate on, they'll find another one to take it's place. And so on. Eventually they get down to their 'own people' and start picking them apart, too. Taken to it's extreme you'd eventually get down to just one human left alive, hating in his mind on people long since dead. In this way it shows how much it's a disease.
And FWIW if Bernie had gotten the Democratic nomination I would have voted for him to reward the Democrats for a step in the right direction (and also because Bernie was actually a better candidate than Stein, having similar policies but more experience and effective passion).
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Just as happy as the Garry Johnson voters, I'm sure.
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In the post-Reagan era, most voters aren't happy most of the time.
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You do realize that using video conferencing instead of face-to-face collaboration doesn't work near as well in practice as it does in theory?
It's like phone sex vs in-person sex. Of course, most programmers wouldn't know that.
Have you read my blog lately?
"This article full of evidence is wrong! My assertion that Bernie would have won had they debated more than six times needs no evidence!"
I've never heard the auxiliary muscles thing before, just the obvious tension difference when finishing a rep. The bands of the machine assist in returning to start, but with free weights, it's all on you. It's also a fuck of a lot more accurate.
Worried about Trump? Stuck outside the US? The United Kingdom is open for business!
We need the business after the Brexit fiasco!
If you gave me a choice between a printer and a giraffe with explosive diarrhoea, i'll get my ladder and my raincoat
The same info as I give the airlines? Are you serious? I had to add a lot of things that I do not tell the airlines. From the tom op my head:
Where I was going to stay.
Whare I would be going.
A contact person in the US.
My social nulber of the countryfrom my nationality. And that is where the fun starts. I do not have one where I am born and what my passport says, because I never worked there. I have one where I work, but that is not my nationality.
This is not that uncommon in Europe. Compare it to being born in one US state and living in another since you where 10.
So I called the US Embassy and as all embassies, they where useless. They basically told me after a week: Leave it blank and hope for the best.
I had contacted the embassy of my country and they where just as useless, saying where I could find the number. When I told them I did not have one, they told me the 3 month procedure of getting one once I moved back to that country.
So no, they ask a LOT more than what the airlines ask me. Those ask me my name and my credit card details. Oh, and the email adress, so they can spam me.
I STILL had to fill out the paper in the plane that I had to give at the desk, got a differnt paper that I had to give to a guy 30 feet on that just took the paper and put it in a basked. Reminded me of the time I went to Eastern Germany, although there was less hassle then.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
The decision granting certoriari and lifting parts of the stays was published "per curiam", which means the court was unanimous.
I do not get the perception, just based on the name "Daniel Stenberg", that this guy was born in Ethiopia, Somalia, Iran, or one of the other four "nations" from which immigration has been restricted. So what's the big deal?
Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears among international tech workers, who fear they'll miss out on work and research opportunities if they're not allowed to travel to the US.
Employees of US companies are exempt from the trump travel ban.
Mozilla doesn't think the denial was based on Trumps travel ban.
Despite those two facts, the narrative is trump's travel ban caused him to not be able to travel to US?! Based on what? Oh, based on foreigners bring afraid that being in a foreign land they might miss an opportunity in the US?
It really would have been nice if this story would have included WHY Mozilla does think he was denied entry, but heck, that would limit the trump bashing...
Ken
Daniel Stenberg Appears to be Swedish, does not appear to be a refugee seeking asylum, why would he get caught in Trump's travel ban?
Interesting to note that no mention is made of his nationality, ethnicity, or religion...
Ken
How about you do not do business with dirty communists, you traitor
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
I don't think that one can have a "valid visa waiver". It's an oxymoron.
It is a tautology, which is the opposite of an oxymoron. Of course you can have a valid visa waiver. If you have a visa waiver, it is valid. The opposite is not having an approved visa waiver, or an unapproved visa waiver. So, technically, "valid" should be "approved" in that phrase.
And after returning to the US, your first three meals out will set you back as much as three months of meals out in China. Well, I'm exaggerating a bit, but the effect may be less than you predict due to different costs of travel and your sales coming from the US in dollars. (Of course if all your US employees start travelling instead, and stay at high end foreigner hotels and eat at foreigner restaurants, you will have a cost problem.) Further, if you aren't already using telemeetings with rank and file China employees, your expenses are too high in the first place.
It might be a better idea to wait and see if visitors from China actually have any more problem obtaining visas than they used to. It was always an involved process because Chinese typically want to LIVE in the US -- rather the opposite of terrorizing the US. Further, Chinese employees typically get fairly long term duration visas once vetted. Last I looked, China was not on the list of banned countries and the risk of dangerous items being brought over from China is pretty small due to EXTENSIVE departure screening at the airports.
I could go on about how the effect of the travel ban on China may be different that what you expect, perhaps irrelevant. Think carefully about why your China employees are working for your US company. (They may be overpaid to begin with, they may be expecting travel to the US as a benefit, etc.)
Don't tell me you bring Chinese employees to the US for your company outings? There are so many more extravagant travel opportunities in Asia for equal or less cost.
But you can't "have" a visa waiver. The requirement for a visa is waived. You don't have anything. They let you in without a visa.
You do have to have a valid ESTA, though. But this isn't a visa either.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
But you can't "have" a visa waiver. The requirement for a visa is waived.
That is called a visa waiver.
You don't have anything. They let you in without a visa.
You have a waiver to the normal visa requirements, so no, you don't have a visa. You have the waiver. The ESTA is how you apply to participate in the visa waiver program. If you are not approved under ESTA then you do not have a waiver and need a visa. It's not that hard. And most people understand the discussion without a waiver of words.
Such insufferable arrogance. To see it modded up so, speaks volumes to the culture that values identity first and foremost, and not integrity of character.
When the DNC chair has to resign because of leaked emails, there is no reason to have any confidence in their official tallies. There is no accounting for their thumb on the scales when there are myriad of ways for pressure and influence and procedural rules to affect results.
You question the intelligence of average voters and flyover state 'hicks', but I have to wonder who really has the learning disability when Clinton loyalists double down on being condescending douche bags and directing a constant barrage of irrational hate towards Trump when that very attitude is what helped get him elected.
When the DNC chair has to resign because of leaked emails, there is no reason to have any confidence in their official tallies.
Aside from zero evidence to suggest they tampered with the vote across the nation. There wasn't anything at all suggesting it in those leaked e-mails you mentioned.
He's white, from Sweden, and likely not a refugee - how does this involve Trump's Travel ban?
Seriously, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this site...
Ken
As always, when a conservative criticizes someone, he ends up describing himself perfectly. You at least described Trump there.
How predictable that your first response is to slap a label on me. Thank you for proving my point about being fixated on identity.
Aside from zero evidence to suggest they tampered with the vote across the nation. There wasn't anything at all suggesting it in those leaked e-mails you mentioned.
Please note I didn't accuse them of tampering, only that they had the motive to do so. The clear evidence of conspiracy against Sanders in the emails means they could not be trusted to hold a fair and impartial election, and thus, there is no reason to believe or trust their official figures. They are not credible.