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chadenright writes: On the same day that I was hired into a new IT position, my new employer also bought a pair of $1,500 conference phones from a third-party vendor, which turned out to be defective; I've spent a chunk of the last two weeks arguing with the vendor. During the process I've learned that, as the IT guy, I'm also the antibody of the corporation and my job is to prevent not just malware and viruses but also junk hardware from entering my business's system. As a software engineer who is new to the IT side of things, I have to ask, what else have you learned about IT?
What fresh hell has this software engineer gotten themselves into? Leave your best answers in the comments. What are the lesser-known roles of the IT department?

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  1. If you thought enterprise IT was just software by bferrell · · Score: 5, Informative

    You may have been living in some sort of fantasy world of siloed functions.

    In a large enough organization, there might be specialists in telecom, desktop hardware and server hardware, but usually IT, in general, is charged with all facets of the IT plant... Workstations, servers, networking hardware and telecom (including switching, carrier interconnect and endpoints like conference phones).

    If what you want is to JUST develop software, you need to be in a different role.

    1. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hell, if it has electricity or moving parts, it seems to be I.T. Yes, you will get helpdesk tickets about the vending machine.

      And since I.T. tends to be the one dept that has actual tools and an understanding of systems, our one seems to end up fixing doors.

    2. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first job in IT? Moving my managers' office furniture to the new office space.

    3. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This sounds like small company IT though. Everywhere I've done enterprise IT there's been a split between software development, operations (maintaining the production systems) and internal systems (maintaining internal networks, desktops etc)

      Internal systems tend to get landed with requests to fix everything down to the coffee machine, but I've never heard of a developer being asked to do that.

    4. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Most of the time IT is actually running the business at a VP level, and the organization just doesn't realize it and will not pay IT VP level pay, power, and prestige.
      Because many work processes are controlled by computers. People to to IT and not their managers or higher level bosess for problems and questions on how to do their job.
      I once got called out from a VP because I was making business decisions without her advice. Because her personal went to me and ask how should I do X. So I gave them the answer, as an IT worker I am comfortable coming up with a process to solve a problem. The process just didn't need a computer, because there wasn't that process built into the system.

      The core of the problem is a culture where Boomers especially treat computers as this magical device that only weird aqward people can only understand. So if it has anything to do about computers they ask the IT guy even though they are so many different levels you can specialize in.

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    5. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      To be honest, it kind of seems to make sense to have some kind of unified problem-reporting system. Who handles the problem in the end is a different matter.

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    6. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's this proverb that computer science is about as much concerned with computers as astronomy is concerned with telescopes. I'd also add the corollary that yes, CS is not about hardware which is why we have computer engineering for designing and building them and IT for operating them. What got to be called "IT" is *exactly* the part where hardware comes into play.

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    7. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since he describes himself as "the IT guy" I think this is very far from the enterprise, probably a jack-of-all-trades position in a small company. Since he switched from software development he probably thought of it as running operations keeping the production servers, clients and the network running, secure and up to date.

      As a software engineer who is new to the IT side of things, I have to ask, what else have you learned about IT?

      I never worked that position but... forget the I in IT. You're now the "tech guy", expect to deal with everything from conference phones, photocopiers, printers, the coffee machine, the vending machine, phones and tablets, basically everything the janitor won't touch. And even then expect to get roped in if the thermostat or window shutters aren't working properly to see if you have any tech tips. If you become a bigger organization you split out the server/client into ops and leave the rest for an infrastructure guy. If you become really big you split out the network from that again and put that into ops too. But until there's somebody else you can point to - and no, they think of you as the most qualified "tech" person - you're stuck with it.

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    8. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IT departments almost never "run" businesses, or if they do, they do so poorly. I've run into so many tail-wagging-the-dog situations in which a customer's business people were hamstrung by their IT departments. It is as though the purpose of IT departments is to find a reason to say "NO" to everything - to find excuses instead of solutions. It was so refreshing when I finally ran into a customer who had their ducks in a row. The CIO emphatically said, "Out of the question! Absolutely not!" to a proposal we made. The CEO turned to him and coolly informed him this was a business initiative that was critical to their company's growth and that he wanted a plan on his desk post-haste.

      There seems to be some critical mass beyond which in-house IT departments become stagnant and try to usurp control of the company. It's as though IT workers were bullied when they were in school and now it's payback time.

    9. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      Apparently you haven't seen these new job descriptions that are two pages long. Job Title is apparently meaningless because they just put down every job duty of like 3-4 different people these days.

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    10. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      To be honest, it kind of seems to make sense to have some kind of unified problem-reporting system. Who handles the problem in the end is a different matter.

      You mean if someone needs support the request actually has to go in a queue with everyone else's? Mind blown.

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    11. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by dougdonovan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      lol, IT is everything that should work but doesnt which includes...from the help desk at level 1...the light bulbs in every office to the starbucks coffee pot in a vp's office that got unplugged by the janitor that works graves. as soon as the general public walks out of their house, gets into their vehicle to drive to work...their IQ drops to 0. they just expect IT to work but are clueless on how to plug the coffee pot back in.

    12. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by RobinH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's some truth in this. In our organization, we get audited for ISO 900x compliance every year, and they have to go through all of our processes and validate that we're following our procedures, etc., but during that audit, if the answer is, "our ERP system does that / enforces that" then the auditor essentially goes, "ok, good" and moves on. The funny thing is that we have a custom-programmed ERP system that we're updating and changing all the time. The auditor certainly never audits our software development process or how we incorporate business processes into the ERP system. Apparently to him it's just "magic." However, people come to me (the ERP programmer) all the time with process problems, and I implement solutions directly in the ERP system to solve those problems, often only with the input of the person doing the job, because in many cases it's just obvious what should be done. I occasionally bring these decisions up to management, but most of the time they just defer to me anyway. So in many ways IT here (or at least the ERP development part) is just a branch of management. I find the whole thing rather silly.

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    13. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, the IT role covers
      Diagnose anything with either a screen, a plug, or a keyboard. (yes phones and every aspect of them count, as does CCTV)
      Purchase anything from the above OR face the consequences of the junk hardware bought by users.
      Keep the secrets of the company secret, yet have access to all of them.
      Oh and fix all the users home kit as well, from kids laptops to grandma's 1980's desktop.
      you must stick to a budget, but you wont get to be involved in setting that budget because your to low on the pay grade for such things.
      and finally ish, "anything" that goes wrong in the building (even when the power company cut the power) is your problem, regardless of if you have any involvement in it or not.

      and just for the record I work in a reasonable size business, but this is still how IT is seen

    14. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      In what universe does IT run the business? None, unless it's an IT company.

    15. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      I am so glad I moved to a specialized type of IT Work. There are some thing I miss about being the generalist and the sysadmin-in-charge of how it all runs, but i don't miss the constant stream of everything-electrical-is-my-problem. Some orgs have good policies and people and it's good to be the sysadmin there. If it wasn't for my last boss being such a jackass and control freak I may have stayed there.

      but now--now I am in healthcare IT. It is it's own special sort of hell, but I don't have to work on everything under the sun here because we are large, and I have some very, very good people to work with. It has been a nice change.

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    16. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the stories of "Bastard Operator from Hell" online.
      Consider it training.

    17. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had that happen to - However just because the CEO says to throw the entire infrastructure model on which the company ran out out the window doesn't mean it would happen by the next day.

    18. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stopped reading at ...

    19. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IT is problem solver of last resort. A really aggravating position to be in.

    20. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by redback · · Score: 1

      this post didnt have enough lols.

    21. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by DigiShaman · · Score: 3

      I remember when it used to be called the MIS (Management of Information Systems) department.

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    22. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had this experience at a fortune 500 company. It wasn't a tech company, so the IT department was only a couple hundred people, but even as a software architect people still thought it was my job to fix the conference room equipment. Not to worry, though, their sales have been in freefall the last few years due to the general ineptness of management, so most likely there will soon be one less tech ignorant company.

    23. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by LittlePinkAnimal · · Score: 2
      I've been running IT for a growing company for the last 10 years and since I started it has doubled in size. From about 45 people to 93, in two main locations in this country plus four sites in other parts of the world.

      My standard joke has been that everything with a power chord or a battery is my problem, except for the lights, but that doesn't even cover it. I've done everything from making sure there's equipment for the entertainment during our conferences, to making custom computer screen mounts for the benches in the lab, running ethernet cable in the office, setting up and installing temperature monitoring equipment for climate controlled incubators, editing promotional videos, taking product photos, helping the web team build sites, recording voiceover, and a whole lot motre. I even fixed the damn lights for the office Christmas tree. And all that is in addition to the normal IT stuff. In a smaller company, if you're the IT guy, they will probably turn to you with anything remotely technical.

    24. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forgive me in advance, as I've told this story before: Back in the mid 90's, I used to work part-time at Kroger (grocery store) as sacker. That job paid minimum wage, but, we got tips for sacking the groceries, carting them off to the parking lot, and unloading them into the back of the vehicle. I don't see that going on anymore, an in many cases, the person working the till does the bagging (customer still puts the bags into his/her own cart). But I digress...

      One day, the janitor was out for a week. I was called out to fill the position in his absence. In fact, just to show how hard of a worker I was, I took extra effort to clean the restrooms and mops the floors more thoroughly. Never did see that guy come back to work. However, I was rewarded via holding the janitor position for the remainder of my employment (which I quit after six months). Why would I stick around?? I worked harder, and made LESS money as it was still minimum wage WITHOUT tips. Yeah, I said to myself "fuck this shit, I'm out of here!".

      So what's the point in telling this story?? That no good deed goes unpunished. If you work in IT, don't be "that guy". Being the eager beaver will get you known as the tech guy who's prompt. That's a bonus, but it will hold you back from further advancement. Trust me, I know how that movie played out too.

      Oh, what's it like to be young, ignorant, and down right foolish. I wish I could go back in time and slap myself several times, HARD!

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    25. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by beelsebob · · Score: 1, Troll

      It is as though the purpose of IT departments is to find a reason to say "NO" to everything

      Yup - there's far too many IT departments out there where the guys in them have an over-inflated sense of their importance. They've come up with the process which makes their life easiest, and they'll be damned if they'll change it because it doesn't fit the business' needs, let alone if someone in charge comes and tells them it doesn't work.

      Crazy policies like "you're not allowed control over the software that runs on your computer", or "you're not allowed to connect hardware to the network without us checking it out first".

      Yes, I realize these are common policies, but they're also entirely unnecessary. I know for a fact that there's some really large companies (ones with market caps above half a trillion dollars), where those policies don't apply, even to the HR staff, and their networks continue to function just fine.

    26. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Check out the stories of "Bastard Operator from Hell" online.
      Consider it training.

      A System Administrator is not the same as an IT admin.
      The former is a being with traces of blood in his caffeine stream, and the job requires an in-depth understanding of unfamiliar systems; how they do things, why, and how to make them work better than new. Making machines productive.

      The latter requires skills in interfacing black boxes you have no idea what's doing underneath the hood with users who want them. Making humans productive.

      Being able to smile is an IT admin asset. With a sysadmin, it's more likely to be a rictus.

    27. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by sycodon · · Score: 1

      "IT departments don't run business."

      That's like saying Mechanics don't run the Metro Bus system.

      That's like saying the crew Chief of a fighter jet doesn't fight the battle.

      The CEO is merely the bus driver. The pilot just flies and fights the plane.

      Nor mechanics, no crew chiefs, no buses or fighter jets.

      If you go to the CEO of Walmart and say, "I have this great new POS system", It's the CIO's job to determine if it's going to require upgrading every store's data connections, maybe new servers to support the increased traffic, maybe even a new, higher performance database to support the new features and load.

      I.T. is on the hook for everything and part of their job is to prevent stupid ass CEO's from making stupid ass decisions related to technology.

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    28. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I forgot...if the CEO STILL wants to proceed, then IT is on the hook for making he realizes the true costs, not just the cost of your software licenses.

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    29. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by usuallylost · · Score: 4, Informative

      It also varies upon where you are in the company. I am the sole IT person working at small, about 100 people, remote office of a much larger company, about 8,000 people. I am the only person in the building who has tools. I get pretty much anything that breaks even if it isn't technically IT related. A lot of the stuff will eventually get handled by the appropriate departments in the company but I am pretty much always the first responder. In addition to my regular IT work I've fixed doors, the refrigerator, the microwave, a garbage disposal, turned off more than one plumbing fixture that was spraying water, assembled furniture and probably more stuff I've forgotten. If I was working at one of our bigger offices I'd wouldn't do all of that. On the other hand, I'd have to commute to one of our bigger offices so it is a reasonable trade off in my view. Besides this other stuff gives me the occasional change of pace.

    30. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by jon3k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "you're not allowed to connect hardware to the network without us checking it out first"

      What's unreasonable about that? if you bring in hardware and start using it to perform critical work functions, the business now depends on it working. What happens when it breaks? What happens when you leave? Let alone the security implications. Are you storing sensitive information on that computer? How is it secured? Do you work in a regulated industry? I'm sure you're competent enough to manage device security, but do you think that one, extremely non-technical associate, in say, marketing, capable?

    31. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I was called out to fill the position in his absence. In fact, just to show how hard of a worker I was, I took extra effort (...) So what's the point in telling this story?? That no good deed goes unpunished.

      You know, this could have been a success story if this was work duties you really wanted but didn't have the qualifications or experience for. Yeah, showing great aptitude for a job you don't want is a bad idea because at the end of the day the company is trying to solve a giant puzzle matching work with workers, if you're already a great fit for a missing piece why shuffle the tiles? If you want to move upwards you have to show the skills necessary for that position and could contribute more value there, not that you're great/indispensable at the one you have. Though I'm not exactly where you expected to go from sacker or janitor, both seem like rather dead-end jobs to me...

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    32. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what's the point in telling this story?? That no good deed goes unpunished. If you work in IT, don't be "that guy". Being the eager beaver will get you known as the tech guy who's prompt. That's a bonus, but it will hold you back from further advancement. Trust me, I know how that movie played out too.

      The difference between you and me is that you gave up and I'm the CIO now. The trick is working your ass off and if you're not rewarded, then leaving. But once you find that organization that will reward hard work you buckle down, put in the extra hours and watch it rain money. At least that's been my experience. Unfortunately it looks like you were shaped by an early negative experience and then never worked hard again. Kind of like the guy who gets dumped and gives up on dating.

    33. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      What's unreasonable about that?

      Several job tasks at most companies involve being able to quickly and easily use all kinds of different bits of hardware.

      if you bring in hardware and start using it to perform critical work functions, the business now depends on it working. What happens when it breaks? What happens when you leave?

      Maintenance of said processes gets handed over to someone else in an organized fashion - as I said, you're not (or shouldn't be) the gatekeeper of all processes at the company - it's other people's jobs to figure out how the company most effectively operates, not yours.

      Let alone the security implications. Are you storing sensitive information on that computer? How is it secured?

      These are questions that are properly addressed using training, not draconian policies, as evidenced by that approach working at some of the largest companies in the world.

      I'm sure you're competent enough to manage device security, but do you think that one, extremely non-technical associate, in say, marketing, capable?

      Given that this works at some of the largest companies in the world, where everyone, yes even the extremely non-technical associate in marketing, gets this kind of setup, yes, I do indeed thing that. Now stop talking down to the guy in marketing, and publish the relevant training documents, rather than simply locking his computer down so he can't do his job properly.

    34. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      n a large enough organization, there might be specialists in telecom, desktop hardware and server hardware, but usually IT, in general, is charged with all facets of the IT plant... Workstations, servers, networking hardware and telecom (including switching, carrier interconnect and endpoints like conference phones).

      Honestly I actually prefer that situation. As it is right now, I'm limited to one role and ONLY one role (networking) and it's basically impossible to actively expand my skill set into other functional areas. When I came to this place, I had a strong emphasis on networking, but also did vmware, san, windows, linux, powershell/bash scripting, etc etc etc, but now if I left I think I'd only be able to put networking stuff on my resume, which severely limits my job prospects.

      But, at least the current job I'm in pays way beyond what most network admins make.

    35. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by rnturn · · Score: 1

      I headed up the technical services department at a company where that was, pretty much, the attitude of the other departments. I jokingly asked once whether they thought I/we could build/MacGiver a phaser out of old office supplies found behind the filing cabinets and the answer came back "Yes".

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    36. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      FYI, it was part-time work out of high school while I was waiting for community college.

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    37. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by trybywrench · · Score: 1, Informative

      "One day, the janitor was out for a week. I was called out to fill the position in his absence. In fact, just to show how hard of a worker I was, I took extra effort to clean the restrooms and mops the floors more thoroughly. Never did see that guy come back to work. However, I was rewarded via holding the janitor position for the remainder of my employment (which I quit after six months). Why would I stick around?? I worked harder, and made LESS money as it was still minimum wage WITHOUT tips. Yeah, I said to myself "fuck this shit, I'm out of here!"."

      you know, it's your own fucking fault you weren't rewarded and you know it. You have to negotiate these things, you volunteer to take on this other role and demonstrate your mastery and then you negotiate compensation for it. Is that what you did? No, you just went through the motions and then got pissed because no one held your hand and walked you to a bigger paycheck. Instead of doing the mature thing you just up and quit leaving everyone else wondering what happened.

      If, after making your case, your employer stays fast and says no pay increase then you agree to disagree and part ways as professionals. Everyone knows where they stand and there's no mystery or hard feelings.

      This kind of "oh poor me, look how bad i was treated for just being nice" is such utter bullshit it drives me crazy. If you don't ask, negotiate, and just be honest with yourself and your employer over these things then how could it possibly ever turn out any different?

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    38. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fuck dating.

    39. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You're dodging the bullet with that auditor. Better hope nobody ever audits the auditor.

    40. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So if it has anything to do about computers they ask the IT guy even though they are so many different levels you can specialize in.

      Not just computers. Anything with electricity and/or a sensor.
       
      My first job I had a VP who needed a large corner office with lots of windows at the far end of the building. And she needed to be able to walk into it through the emergency exit next to the office, because she couldn't be asked to walk through the whole building. So we were asked to make the security work out so she could have her own private doorway. And we were not allowed to spend any money doing it. End result? We just disabled the alarm and security on that door.
       
      Her second issue was that her big corner office at the far end of the building with lots of windows was too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. Compounding this, she needed to have her door closed all the time, and sat nearly touching the window. Since she had a thermostat, she constantly adjusted it. Not realizing that it didn't do anything, because it was just there to gather zone temp information. IT would get a request every week or two to fix her thermostat, because her office was uncomfortable. Finally got approval to get the HVAC guys in, and they immediately pointed out that when the building was built, they cheaped out on the HVAC system and it didn't have capacity to cool the square footage of that wing. Given this new information, the VP continued to ask IT to fix her thermostat every few weeks.

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    41. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are forgetting that some people think IT are their personal therapist venting all their frustrations at work and home, besides the gossip.
       

    42. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      From sacker you can go to cashier, or stocker, or apprentice in the meat department, or baker.

      I am surprised at a Kroeger that a sacker would be re-delegated to janitor, though. Isn't Kroeger a union shop? When I was a grocery bagger back in 1977, it was a union job and it wouldn't have been common for a lateral transfer to janitor to happen.

    43. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by doggo · · Score: 2

      I (half) joke that my unofficial title is "Electron Wrangler", since anything that that gets plugged in seems to become my responsibility. From desktop support, to liaison with vendors, central IT, & telecomm.

      Never a dull moment.

    44. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, it was a union shop last I worked. That was the other final nail in the coffin for me at that place; my union dues took a giant bite out of miniscule paycheck. As long as it's voluntary, I'm ok with Unions; and for people that make it a career to work there, being part of the Union is probably a good thing. But I was young and got suckered into signing the dotted line. I take full responsibility for not knowing what the fuck I was signing; lesson learned. But, at least they could have advised us a little more clearly on which scenario would best fit someone in my situation that only wished to work part-time and for a limited period. There's no way in hell I would have gotten a benefit from paying those dues, and I think they knew that!

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    45. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "you're not allowed to connect hardware to the network without us checking it out first"

      Somewhere behind rules like that is an idiot who brought in a device like a wireless router that acted as a DHCP server or similar and kicked a pile of people off a network annoying a manager enough to implement such a policy. Sure, expensive hardware rolled out everywhere can protect against that, but a policy of "ask before you plug it in" is a lot cheaper than replacing a lot of stuff just in case of people doing stupid stuff.
      Also some hardware on networks is so fragile that anything sending weird packets to it can take it down (HP and Samsung I'm looking at you).
      You are not that idiot the rule is for but in a large enough org there will be a few.

    46. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      All water under the bridge now. But, I'm actually very thankful for this job, and its outcome. It served a very valuable life lesson, and served me well. You can't really buy that. Major ROI of my time there :)

      Respect goes both ways. While I could have negotiated, why? No, seriously, why?! They obviously didn't have enough respect for me to put me back on the original job I was hired to do. Why would I want to fight for it? That tells me it could happen again. No. I'm passive aggressive for sure. But, what matters to me is not the actions people take, rather, the actions people don't take.

      Me quitting that job was mutual. They quit on me, so I quit on them. Business as usual.

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    47. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you volunteer to take on this other role and demonstrate your mastery and then you negotiate compensation for it

      For a job on a fixed wage?
      You seem a little bit out of touch so perhaps should not be so critical.

    48. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best part is that, thanks to 802.11, bluetooth, and pervasive cellular service, all it will take is for wireless charging to become commonplace for anything that DOESN'T GET PLUGGED IN to also fall under your purview!

    49. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure management was dropped out of it since anything with management demands a higher salary

    50. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to learn everything about electronic locks because we wrote the building specifications and then encapsulated all physical security requirements including those for evidence rooms for LEO.

    51. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never worked that position but... forget the I in IT. You're now the "tech guy", expect to deal with everything from conference phones, photocopiers, printers, the coffee machine, the vending machine, phones and tablets, basically everything the janitor won't touch.

      My coworker described my work description as "anything to do with a wire" followed by asking me to fix the coffee machine.

    52. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to deal with that, a poorly setup network and then some clown brings in a home router and it starts handing out IP addresses. Or the infected flash drives that infect computers or start encrypting network shares because people are idiots.

    53. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by syn3rg · · Score: 1

      Look for this clause in your job description: Other duties as assigned.

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    54. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a saying that goes something like; "Never do a crappy job well."

    55. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MIS still exists, CS is a completely different skillset.

      Though, both fall into the IT umbrella

    56. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as soon as the general public walks out of their house, gets into their vehicle to drive to work...their IQ drops to 0. they just expect IT to work but are clueless on how to plug the coffee pot back in.

      Had that happen to me. The computer and monitor does not turn on. The desk phone is dead. The desk lamp is not working either. The user's charger too. The user can't even logically think that maybe perhaps there is no power to his cubical, that perhaps the circuit breaker was tripped. Nope. Call IT to fix nao!!!1!

      I sometimes wonder if this guy is a 12 o'clock flasher.

    57. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know - I'm working one of these.

    58. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Having worked in IT for over 30 years and having worked for Fortune 100 companies, I have never see it work this way.

      I have seen C-Level executives come in with a great new idea about how they were going to save the company millions by changing everybody's desktop to BYOD. Thus eliminating the need for the company to buy, maintain, and repair desktop systems. That lasted all of 30 days before security and legal come down on him.

      In today's corporate IT environment we have to meet regulations. They may be something as simple as SOX or as complex as GxP. In those regulatory environments having an open network where everyone can bring in any piece of equipment and plug it is becomes a major problem. As such there are policies in place, there is training, there are physical restrictions, and there are software enforced restrictions.

      I am currently working for a rather large Aerospace company that was recently acquired by another company. The new management seem to have problems understanding that having everyone on one network is an issue. The new company has locations in China, Taiwan, and Korea. The company they bought handles government contracts from everyday items to items that are classified. It is a violation of federal law to have foreign nationals on our network because of the government contracts we have.

      So, from a management point of view I am sure that having everyone able to bring in whatever they want and connect it sounds great. however in the real world IT and IT Security are the ones that have to, not only manage them, but they also work to mitigate the legal risk. Some of the more important jobs in IT, is to protect the company's digital assets. Including understanding the laws, regulations, requirements, and licensing of the products the company uses.

    59. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negotiate the whole deal, not just the money:

      "the company really needs me to step up and clean the toilets for no extra pay? OK boss, I'll do it for three weeks - any longer, but I'm sorry, we'll have to come to a better arrangement."

    60. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as soon as the general public walks out of their house, gets into their vehicle to drive to work...their IQ drops to 0

      I take exception to that statement, sir! The word "drop" presupposes the GP's IQ was ever ABOVE zero.

      A long time IT slave.

    61. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by MrLogic17 · · Score: 2

      With this enlightenment, you have taken the first step to understanding ITSM.

    62. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Doors, plumbing, AC wiring, lighting etc. are handled by facilities. Now if you have smart doors that are key-less entry and the malfunction is on the reader or the system behind the reader, then yes, you will likely fix that in IT. IT is essentially a handyman for anything that transmits or stores information. If it has an Ethernet plug or WiFi antenna, you guys will get to fix it/replace it.

      If you just want to write software, there is a completely different job for you. It is called software engineer... Those guys usually work closely with electrical engineers and mechanical engineers. If it isn't code related, an EE fixes it if it has an electrical component and an ME fixes it if it has a physical problem. Though the software guys still end up doing a lot of the integrated testing and debugging, since their code usually brings it all together past the basic motion tests MEs will do and the basic scope/function tests that the EEs do.

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    63. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angry Pixie Pusher

    64. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by KGIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      A power chord? You gonna be a rock star?

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    65. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Having seen many companies where IT is indeed on a power trip, with everything locked down tight and network monitoring to determine if any new hardware shows up on the network (collectively known as the IT fascists, and no, this was not a defense contractor or some other similar situation where super-max lock-down was warranted), where I currently work I think we have the best, most reasonable balance. Engineers typically have free reign on their own PCs as far as installing/modifying software, installing hardware locally etc. The general rule is if it connects to the network, we shoot an email to IT with it's details.

      All other departments who cannot show a business case otherwise have their PCs locked down and are not allowed to install new hardware on the network without permission from IT. We used to have a few managers who were originally engineers back in the Jurassic age who wanted their PCs unlocked, but that ended when one of them clicked on some spam with a virus payload and got his machined wrecked. Those who have the competence to handle it and the business need have their PCs unlocked, everyone else has them locked down for security reasons as well as the convenience of IT.

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    66. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by maestroX · · Score: 1

      And since I.T. tends to be the one dept that has actual tools and an understanding of systems, our one seems to end up fixing doors.

      Loads of IT are pampered by their parents saying, oh look what my kid can do on the computer, he knows it all.

      If you're hired for IT and aren't able to admit you just don't know everything and you just don't have experience in this or that, you deserve to be stuck in a rotating door.

    67. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeap, IT is the "catch all" dumping ground for anything vaguely technological, even if it uses electricity its an IT problem. Other teams set things up behind closed doors and abandon them, then users come to you to fix it. People want to short cut process because their lack of planning is your emergency. Anytime an IT dept is put under Finance you'll have to fight for every dollar to get anything. You'll become a walking encyclopedia for everyone that needs to know how to do something IT related.

      Welcome to hell, it takes a special kind of person to survive the first few years of it, and eventually find a employer that does IT mostly right which allows you to succeed at it!

    68. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      You sound like a sales guy who has zero concern for the security or stability of their network. Maybe the CIO had a valid point and your suggestion of running the database as a domain administrator was a stupid proposal. Plenty of salespeople operate with no concern about the consequences. That doesn't make the CEO in your story a better leader, or the CIO less capable. I bet your proposal was bullshit. Luckily the CEO was dumb enough to mandate your suggestions.

    69. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      So just put that backdoored hard encoded Video Conference system from China into the infrastructure. Someone else will make that hard coded password cease to exist. So therefore there is no threat just open it up to the public and someone will think about security down the road as per you.

      I'm not convinced you understand what you are saying.

      Publish your own fucking training documents. remember.. this gets handed off to people who decide how they need to operate. you don't need IT you want a yes man. WHile we are at it, tell IT how you need to be an admin and that doesn't affect their network security or yours.

    70. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the inevitable "Other duties as assigned" tacked on at the bottom, just to cover anything they haven't thought up yet.

    71. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to follow up on that, so far the best place Ive found to work in IT as someone that faces end users and does back end admin is a medium sized tech company thats owned by a larger parent company. The larger parent has legal and security processes that can't be argued with, and run the commonly used stuff - Exchange, phone systems, handles mobile phones and their management, handles user account provisioning - again no short cuts, if the new hire hasn't completed the process and HR has pushed the button, then no computer and no accounts regardless of the start date the hiring manager invented out of nothing. On the more local level, 90% of management gets tech, and most have worked their way up through tech jobs into management, they listen, often ask you for input on things that affect you and are not afraid of spending money on IT infrastructure.

      Once I happened upon this job its unlikely I'll be looking elsewhere anytime soon of my own accord, the parent companies benefits are too good, they reward people who get noticed for hard work, going above and beyond and jobs well done. This made 14 years of shitty thankless IT jobs worth it in the end.

    72. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by mysidia · · Score: 1

      That's what "Company Helpdesk" is for. The Company Helpdesk should route only IT matters to IT.

    73. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by anegg · · Score: 1

      or the people who think its cool to store their huge collections of personal pictures and movies on their work desktop computer and jam up the backups

      or the people who think its cool to stream audio and even video all day long onto their desktop off of the Internet (and then complain about slow Internet access)

      or the people who never met a piece of freeware that they could say "no" to

      There may be organizations filled with people who all know to do the "right" think and not the wrong thing, but - in my experience, once you get beyond 100 or so people, the odds of having incidents and problems caused by individuals who had no clue what the impact of their actions would be start to climb exponentially, training or no

    74. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Crazy policies like "you're not allowed control over the software that runs on your computer"

      Hi.... these are not IT Decisions. These are security decisions.

      I work in InfoSec. The IT department might not like these policies, But management has signed off on them with our
      recommendation.

      These policies are imposed even on members of the IT staff.

      Even the sysadmins don't have Administrator-level access to their desktops or workstations or the ability to install software.

      If they need something, they open a ticket just like anybody else, and if Level 1 support can address the issue they will

      (The support tech uses the privilege management software to temporarily elevate permissions to conduct approved support session processes,
      which are monitored and recorded for auditing using screen recording software).

    75. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by mysidia · · Score: 1

      is an idiot who brought in a device like a wireless router that acted as a DHCP server or similar and kicked a pile of people off a network

      That is not the problem. We have a very robust solution to that technical problem that any modern switch OS will support.
      Rogue devices on the network can be used to create backdoors, they may be infected or vulnerable to serve as attacker beachheads, or otherwise facilitate malicious activity such as with ARP Poisoning, because Ethernet was not designed for security, it is very susceptible to malicious actors --- Also, because the local network is behind the firewall, you're skipping security barriers, And who's to say that unauthorized device isn't a rogue VPN tunneling through the perimeter to allow outsider access?

    76. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya"

    77. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ha, I have almost the same story, different outcome. Back in the mid-90s, I was a part time bagger at Bristol Farms (non-union grocery store in California). Our janitor also quit without notice and i ended up becoming the new janitor for about 6 months. After a while we hired another guy to be janitor, I trained him up and I got to pick which department I wanted to work in (I chose produce). I filled in when people called in sick in other departments as well since I knew all the department managers from my janitor days and they'd call me to see if I could cover. It was fun because i got to really learn all the departments and the grocery business at a young age. The next year (1997) I was named employee of the year, the youngest in the company to ever receive the award, and it came with a 7 day cruise to Mexico. I still have the jacket they give me and am proud of how hard I worked at that job.

      My point is, Digisharman might have gotten a bum deal but working hard still has it's benefits. Don't let a curmudgeon tell you it's not worth it to do a good job and live up to your potential because you won't be recognized. I was recognized and it was great. Work hard. Be persistent. The accolades and recognition will come with time.

    78. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where is the mod option idiot?

    79. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, the average dues in the USA is $400/yr.

    80. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you missed his point.

      He was saying that IT was building and refining processes for various departments to follow. IT was defining the "how to do it, where to do it, when to do it" level of the process and strategy for some departments.

      That certainly does happen and many managers even ask IT staff to make such decisions.

      They may not realize until later that they've asked that, but in effect, they've assigned a random IT analyst to make important management decisions for them.

    81. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In universities it still is. Hiring managers see jobs that use computers and insist on Computer Science degrees. Thus why people that have only had a class or two on networking and security are now unwittingly screwing the pooch for everyone by being network or security "engineers" instead of people that spent four years dedicated to studying those things.

    82. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our own IT went on a similar power trip. Then one day they came in and were escorted upstairs by security where we notified them their contract was terminated and their stuff would be sent them by mail. We also notified them that we had outsourced the whole department and that we would have the whole setup examined and evalued. This made them go white. They pleaded and groveled vowing to improve things but we had them simply escorted (or rather, carried) out. The independent examination found all kind of illegal material on the IT department machines, so we had them all sued. The company we use now is a dream by comparison. If your business is not IT, you don't need an IT department. It's that simple.

    83. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was once asked when I was going to change the water filter in the fridge

    84. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by KitFox · · Score: 1

      Hell, if it has electricity or moving parts, it seems to be I.T. Yes, you will get helpdesk tickets about the vending machine.

      And since I.T. tends to be the one dept that has actual tools and an understanding of systems, our one seems to end up fixing doors.

      QFT. As the IT Director of a K-8 school, my scope included...

      • Computers
      • Tablets
      • Computer accessories
      • 150 gallon aquarium (Because the pump plugged in)
      • Network
      • Overhead projectors
      • Digital projectors
      • Proximity card door access system
      • Copiers and Printers
      • 13-year old PBX phone system (replaced with new VoIP system)
      • Stage lighting
      • Stage sound and video system
      • Microwave ovens

      Generally, if it plugged in or had any relative complexity, apparently it was my job to fix it, and of course at the 800 student/80 staff school, I was the entirety of the IT department.

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    85. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      That last bit all sounds familiar. How many IT teams become the workflow experts because they are the only people who ask what the workflow is and try and document it because of system downtime operations or automation?

    86. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's as though IT workers were bullied when they were in school and now it's payback time.

      Considering a lot of IT folks were nerds in high school, being bullied in high school is a fair assumption, although not all of us are interested in retaliation, especially not towards people who had nothing to do with it back then... Now, were I to be in a company with someone who used to pick on me in high school, then I would probably be less interested in going out of my way to fix their problem :-P

    87. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      That rule is too broad and is often applied to things like unmanaged switches to meet a real need of lack of live ports for a given area.

      Someone here on /. once posted a story about how the IT at their company made their network so secure and locked down, and were such pricks about devices/updates/scanning tools that bog machines down to unusable speeds, that everything important was stored on the employees' Google docs. All of the real work was done completely outside the company network on personal devices. If I were that company's CEO and found that out, I'd immediately dissolve the end user services section of IT and just get the local ISP's business class connection for the office - it clearly wasn't adding anything of value.

    88. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can IT Support fix our air conditioning? Since they all have embedded microcontrollers now, I think it falls within their realm. In fact, I think microwave ovens have computers too for at least a decade, so I guess IT Support is also in charge of cleaning the microwave oven every time there's a mess inside.

    89. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is how it is for me, if it plugs in to the wall in any way IT fixes it. If it involves a tool of any kind, IT fixes it. If you don't now who fixes it, IT fixes it.

      I work in a small town, the 4th of July parade the company I work for does a float every year. A group gets together and figures out what they want to do, then after failing to make any progress come to IT a week before the 4th and have us do the actual work of building the thing. It might be a little annoying but I actually don't mind the variety.

    90. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by LittlePinkAnimal · · Score: 1

      Ah damn it. English isn't my first language. Didn't catch that one. Although I do play electric guitar.

    91. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you. I wish I could work IT at a company that doesn't care about backups, DR, malware outbreaks, replacement hardware and has no responsibility to fix things when they go wrong because it was some device, software or process that rogue a employee brought in that IT didn't even know about.

    92. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Another factor is time. Most companies take about a year to recognize that somebody is working really hard and taking on extra responsibility.

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    93. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple of weeks using Infra and I think you would change your mind about that. Having ITIL and Prince2 are obviously useful, but having them shoved down your throat at every turn means you spend more time filling in information that nobody will ever look at than you do working on actual problems.

    94. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Electron Wrangler" ??
      Sometimes I feel like an IT Whore. Doing for money all that my customer asks when he is over me hehehehe

    95. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For a forum populated by lots of people on the autism spectrum, and more who just lack social skills in general, there's an awful lot of admonition to be a top-notch negotiator.

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    96. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Work hard. Be persistent. The accolades and recognition will come with time.

      It can work that way, or it can just screw the employee. There's a lot of people who work a lot harder than I do and get paid a lot less.

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    97. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would have thought IT "could be so complicated?" Spewing nonsense is easy. Dealing with daily reality is quite a bit harder.

    98. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just software by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's all good. I played professionally, for way too many years.

      No, no... I didn't actually achieve any fame or fortune from playing. I played to make extra money, played to pay for expenses while at school, and did a bit of studio work for pay.

      I *can* play the guitar like a motherfucking riot, however. I'm classically trained. I played mostly classic rock (which was not so classic at the time I played it), all the way through the 90s and earliest of 00s.

      Here is me doing Caprici di Diablo, from Malmsteen.

      Link.

      LOL I'm just showing off with that one, but it's fun to play. This is what I'm actually trained to play:

      Link.

      That's Astrurias, composed a long time ago by a fella by the name of Albeniz. I'm not sure if you like that kinda of music, but it's fun to play. Got anything recorded to share? I love to hear other players! (It's a valid, if rarely checked.,email listed.)

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    99. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Josepdin · · Score: 1

      As a friend of mine would remind you: You just used the "s" word.

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    100. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but during that audit, if the answer is, "our ERP system does that / enforces that" then the auditor essentially goes, "ok, good" and moves on. The funny thing is that we have a custom-programmed ERP system that we're updating and changing all the time.

      Oh be glad be so glad you have a lazy auditor. If the company I work for was doing the audit that ERP system would have to have a code audit EVERY year.

    101. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      You forgot heating and cooling, and physical security access.

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    102. Re:If you thought enterprise IT was just software by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Sure, this does happen. But for every example I've heard of this kind of thing, there's a counter-example of a non-technical person making decisions without consulting IT, resulting in things that are technically impractical, ruinously expensive, completely insecure, or unnecessarily redundant.

      The ideal middle ground involves healthy communication from both sides, in advance of any decision.

  2. It was you being stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you did was not a "lesser-known role" of IT department, it was doing something completely outside of your job role.

    Your employer should have asked legal department to do the legal work for dealing with defective purchase. If your employer bought an office chair that broke, would you get involved also? How about defective air conditioner? Or a defective TV? Would you get involved because the TV was "internet enabled"?

    If conference phone should be supported by IT, *you* should be the one sourcing and buying it. The IT dept has no input in the purchase, then it has no role when the purchase went bad.

    1. Re:It was you being stupid by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you did was not a "lesser-known role" of IT department, it was doing something completely outside of your job role.

      Your employer should have asked legal department to do the legal work for dealing with defective purchase. If your employer bought an office chair that broke, would you get involved also? How about defective air conditioner? Or a defective TV? Would you get involved because the TV was "internet enabled"?

      If conference phone should be supported by IT, *you* should be the one sourcing and buying it. The IT dept has no input in the purchase, then it has no role when the purchase went bad.

      If the vendor claimed that the internet TV was not working due to a deficiency in the corporate network, then yeah, I'd imagine that IT would be involved in proving that the network was not the problem. Which is likely the same argument that the phone vendor is making. "Your firewall is not allowing SIP transit", or "your ISP connection is too unstable for reliable VOIP calls" or some such excuse. If the phones were completely DOA out of the box, I doubt the vendor would be putting up a fight.

      In any case, if I went to my company's legal department to dispute a small $1500 purchase, they'd put it on the bottom of their pile of work and get around to looking at it in a few years.

    2. Re:It was you being stupid by dwywit · · Score: 1

      At least you'll have developed an immunity to that vendor.

      Mind you, some vendors don't care. We had a run of defective hard drives in some HP/Compaq PCs bought from one of our preferred vendors. They came back with new hard drives, but no Windows 95. I rang and asked why they weren't returned to the state they were in when originally supplied (i.e. with a working installation of W95), and they said that HP weren't paying them to re-install Windows along with the new hard drive. I suggested that we, as one of their largest customers, should be afforded some consideration. They shrugged. I said it would affect our consideration when the contract came up. Another shrug. So we stopped buying from them, and Dell got the money instead. Last I heard, they had "downsized" and specialised in contract photocopier maintenance.

      To this day, I tell people to steer clear of them.

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    3. Re:It was you being stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess your IT department also take calls for faulty "smart" coffee machines, "smart" refrigerators, "smart" light bulbs also? With IoT, enjoy supporting every electronics the company bought, and then getting outsourced because the IT department "cost too much" compared to other "best in class" companies (where their IT department clearly drawn the line what they do support).

      If your legal department have no problem putting a $1500 purchase to the bottom of the pile and look at it years later, so should the IT department for that equipment.

    4. Re:It was you being stupid by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was/am that guy, and while much of what you say has merit there is a bonus; my work ethic has exposed me to virtually every system out there and because I took responsibility for it, I've had to become a passable expert in it. This has tremendously increased my worth in a field where the only way to make the big bucks is to jump ship. Several times.

      That obviously doesn't apply to someone who doesn't want to play that game, so take it for what it's worth.

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    5. Re:It was you being stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my work ethic has exposed me to virtually every system out there and because I took responsibility for it, I've had to become a passable expert in it.

      Translation: I am an amazing worker and am an expert in virtually everything!

      This isn't an interview. You don't have to lie here.

    6. Re:It was you being stupid by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Oh don't worry, none of you all could afford me.

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  3. EVERYTHING by muphin · · Score: 2

    People believe peple in IT, alt hey di is browse the web and play video games... so they think we're disosable and can beused for any job...


    Main things are;
    - Laptops, PC, Phones (every brand)
    - Printers
    - Internet issues (yes with phones too)
    - Moving anything electrical; PC's, desks, pritners, microwaves, fridges....
    - fix anything hardware related; phones dead... fix it .... pritner doesnt work... open it up and fix it ...
    - Security; prevent users from doing dumb shit like open bad emails... oh wait they did, now you have to recover their encrypted data .. oh whats that no backups of PC's, they lost their data, now they complain tot heir boss you cant recover their data
    - cars; their car wont start.. oh your technical, you should know how to fix it...

    oh so much more....

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    1. Re:EVERYTHING by muphin · · Score: 1

      Also forgot...
      Mind Reader! - they are so vague about an issue, provide no technical information, or errors that you have to put on your inspector gadget hat and try and work out what they say.

      in essence, you are
      an electrician
      a removalist
      a plumber
      a garbage man
      carpenter
      metalsmith
      genie

      you are over worked, under paid, and over utilised!

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    2. Re:EVERYTHING by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      You forgot "giving advice and recommendations on employees own systems"

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    3. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh Yes,

      Who can forget this Dilbert comic.

      http://assets.amuniversal.com/1109f9f06cc801301d50001dd8b71c47

    4. Re:EVERYTHING by necronom426 · · Score: 2

      Certainly anything that uses electricity (I've been asked to fix a kettle once).
      Anything related to anything that uses electricity (moving desks, because they have computers on them).
      Etc.

    5. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead on!

      I used to work as departmental IT at the University of Cincinnati and we had a power outage (but the phones were still up).

      Everything goes dark.. 3.. 2.. 1..

      Phone starts ringing off the hook: hey, what's the deal with the power? (if it plugs into a wall apparently it's my responsibility.. oh wait, so is the plug on the wall!)

    6. Re: EVERYTHING by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "We will look into it, but first you have to submit a trouble ticket" ... problem solved :^)

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    7. Re:EVERYTHING by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      tell them that you will work with power after they make you union!

    8. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RE: "Moving anything electrical; PC's, desks, pritners, microwaves, fridges...."

      Literally anything with a wire attached to it, or vaguely electrical in nature, is considered to be IT's "problem" if something goes wrong. Right down to the radios people bring from home to listen to at their desks. If they're too stupid to push the buttons and get it to go to the correct station, it is the IT department that will be called on.

      Hell, I've run into coworkers shopping and they'll come ask me what cables they need for their TV and VCR/DVD/BluRay players just because, "you're in IT. You should know."

      We're the digital janitors. We aren't expected to concentrate on our specialties. We're expected to know it all. If it lights up, sparks, has a battery or a wire, we should know it inside and out. And if we don't, we suck at our jobs. Even if we were hired to be a web developer or an RPG coder.

    9. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have fixed kettle, coffee maker, vacuum, shelves, run network cabling, installed projector etc - while in systems administration position
      I did say no to fixing the 3 phase 400V system that was smoking, no point in dying at work.

      Try getting an office that is hard to get to (On the roof if you can).
      If staff can see you they will ask you in person to fix anything electrical - if they have to put it in writing there will be fewer outside of scope requests.

    10. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRONG

      As a long time IT support person I can tell you that IT support has just one task:

      EXPECTATIONS MANAGEMENT.

      Your basic user either does not know or does not want to learn about how to operate a computer/phone/monitor/coffee make/door knob/toilet and so will ask that you take care of it for him/her. The task of IT is to whittle down those expectations by playing dumb.

      USER: HEY! I got this thing here that won't work. Can you fix it?
      IT: I've never seen one of those before. Let me try.
      FOUR DAYS LATER.
      IT: (holding smoking ruin of device) Sorry about your thing here. I guess I can't really fix it. Try Geek Squad.

      For a long time I tried to fix everything and I was good at it, but all it ever got me was three AM wake up calls and cold stares when I failed to deliver. No that people think I'm hopeless at everything except PCs and Servers, I get a good night's sleep and people are gratefule that things work.

    11. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printers should be part of IT, by definition? They're technology, they deal with information, process and store/transmit information to another medium, they're a computer, and optionally they're on a network.

      Yes even filling an empty paper tray might be IT work, unless filling a hard drive tray isn't IT work either. Of course once you get to actually open it to look at printer mechanics, goddamnit what a #!$?! piece of dung. As another reader pointed out, HP is a "printer IT" company or it's printer vendor's job or a printer/copier technician should come. But there's value in the printer getting fixed anyway.

    12. Re:EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People believe peple in IT, alt hey di is browse the web and play video games...

      heh, reminds me of this funny video, Sales Guy vs. Web Dude. How can the IT guy get important work done when always getting pestered by incompetent people?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  4. electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    As a web developer, i had to take care of the electricy in the building as well. So basically, whenever there was a power outage, it was my fault. I had to upgrade the fuses in the building, because i figured they weren't strong enough.

    1. Re: electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should not be resizing fuses for any building without the proper training. You can be sued when something blows up, not to mention safety. Electrician here, that has also done stints in it departments.

    2. Re: electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You upgraded fuses they kept blowing because they weren't strong enough? Just how so did you "upgrade" them?

      "15 amp? That'd ridiculous. The 30amp ones are the same price and twice as good."

    3. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you've left them with a ticking time bomb for an electrical fire. The fuses are not meant to be 'strong' enough to supply what you plug into them. The rating is selected specifically for the thickness of cable so that the cable doesn't overheat and melt or catch fire if too much current goes through it. If the fuses were blowing and it was causing power outages then that was people already plugging in too much for the cable and the fuse was protecting the building from an electrical fire. You've now left the cable unprotected. The correct thing would have been to get an electrician in to install additional circuits. Instead you've modified the circuit unqualified and outside of your job description. I have seen someone do what you describe and it *did* cause an electrical fire - he was extremely lucky that the company fired him without suing him.

    4. Re:electricity by e70838 · · Score: 1

      you are american

    5. Re:electricity by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I had to upgrade the fuses in the building, because i figured they weren't strong enough.

      *facepalm*

      The fact you even said this is proof that you didn't have a single fucking clue about what you were doing. Which was setting yourself up for a hefty lawsuit and possibly criminal charges stemming from the fire you started.

      Maybe the fire hasn't actually happened yet, but you've already set it up. Go read some basic info about fuses and then maybe you'll understand why you should be losing sleep over this.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    6. Re: electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuses are tricky. Just use a penny and pit the old dude back in. Works great. I work in fire insurance, btw.

    7. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't get all mad. Of course i called an electrician. Sorry for the bad choice of words, i didn't do anything alone. I'm not insane. But that's not the point.

      The point is: Powergrid is not the web-developers responsibility. But the companies leadership wanted someone to be responsible for it and they will choose whoever is closest to the subject. That's why i had to take care of it. They could have just called the electrician and let him do his thing. But they didn't. I had to. And from that point on, every power outage was my fault. Cleaning lady got water into a power socket = my fault. Power grid went down = my fault. Some companies just work that way.

      So, the lesson i learned is: One should say "no" to tasks that are not ones field of expertise. They'll find someone else to blame for it eventually.

    8. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he kept his job and moved on. *yawn*.

    9. Re:electricity by Mr.+Spock · · Score: 2

      I had to upgrade the fuses in the building, because i figured they weren't strong enough.

      *facepalm*

      You have been trolled by IT. Little known job #32766, trolling, well...., everyone, without their knowledge.

    10. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zontar the Autistic. If it wasn't obvious this was a joke, please seek some sort of counseling.

    11. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replacing fuses with a large nail is a time-honored tradition.

      The "fire" probably won't happen, and if it does, it won't be arson because there was no intent. The "insurance company" doesn't exist (or the company wouldn't have been too cheap to pay a real maintenance guy). The lawsuit won't happen either, because lawyers will charge a crap-ton of money to bring a suit like that, and the company knows they won't get blood from your particular stone. And criminal charges won't happen because the cops give zero shits about that sort of thing when they can't pin it on you easily (see also: not arson because of lack of intent).

      The GP's biggest risk was putting the damn things into the fuse box in the first place. Since it seems he survived that part, I think he's in the clear.

    12. Re:electricity by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, serves them right for taking his red stapler.

    13. Re:electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for the bad choice of words. Of course i called an electrician and didn't do anything without professional assitance. But you're missing the point.

      (Bad) Management always looks for someone to blame and they will choose the one closest to the subject. One should say "no" to such tasks. If you say "yes", you'll take the blame for everything. Plus, you won't get anything done, because soon you'll find yourself in a situation where you have to take care of everything.

      Be like a unix program. Do one thing well.

    14. Re:electricity by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Fuses? Does the electrical code even allow fuses now?

      --
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  5. The risk to turn on itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've learned that, as the IT guy, I'm also the antibody of the corporation and my job is to prevent not just malware and viruses but also junk hardware from entering my business's system.

    You know how some people have their immune system turn on themselves.

    Some IT-departments becomes like that.
    Instead of stopping malware and junk hardware they stop everything. It makes their job easier.

    A good IT department tries to figure out what the person they stopped was trying to accomplish and tries to find a secure way of doing that.
    Blocking everything would be like a janitor keeping everyone else out since maintenance gets easier that way.
    While the method works for their immediate task the company cannot survive such measures.

    1. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

      A good IT department tries to figure out what the person they stopped was trying to accomplish and tries to find a secure way of doing that.

      This assume you have the resources to do that But when you are seen as a “cost factor” by higher manglement, you often keep running after fires to extinguish, so never mind evaluating new stuff...

    2. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to say.. most of the time I get my moderator's points I find something that is marginal to comment on.

      That point about antibody and stopping everything, is just perfect and I would mod it +5 insightful. Look at me tomorrow get the mod points again.

      So so true this.. IT departments are not actually enhancing productivity it seems anymore. They are enhancing stagnation. Taking away Admin rights from engineers who use thier computers to assist in detail job just added hundreds of lost hours of productivity. HR then gets involved and IT assists HR by making everything monolithic. It makes it easier to put all employees on a Performance Chart system that they can mine for overall data but slow down daily interaction.

      Having forced updates shut you out of your laptop while on Business Travel is one of the most annoying things. When we had admin rights, I can fix the entire computer, but take them away...

      Yes, I know the adage. Some people "Think" they know what they are doing. I know I am ranting. I know I worked for 25 years with admin rights and doing security work as part of my job for customers, but I am not IT so it is yanked away. Just so easy to not do strong backbone security that can allow for points of failure that does not affect the rest of the world.

      Since I am still working... I guess this becomes Anonymous.

    3. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      This is the hygiene hypothesis of IT. When things are legitimately rolling along smoothly - like IT did their job well and there aren't hidden-from-users fires for them to put out - many organizations either get bored or panicky. Then they start doing public things to justify their budgets and headcount, like trying to manage BYOD or locking down developers' machines "for consistency". This is the corporate version of an autoimmune disease, and it kills or disables the host.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    4. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN! You can tell when a security department isn't very clever or smart and|or lazy: They start blocking everything they don't understand. This is especially frustrating at the border firewall level.

      Throw in some 3rd party, do-it-all security scanning tools that PHBs want to keep your products clean but aren't built for your products so you have to clean up "dozens of false positives" for no good reason across hundreds of sites and apps.

    5. Re:The risk to turn on itself by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Some IT-departments becomes like that.
      Instead of stopping malware and junk hardware they stop everything. It makes their job easier.

      If that happens, it's usually because IT staff is not paid overtime (whether this is a legal thing to do in your area, or not). And that tasks like installing new software, migrating data, updating old software, allowing secure access from home, etc. usually takes far more time than usually imagined by the non-IT employee making the request.

      This is the real reason web-based "cloud-based" solutions like Salesforce are thriving, it's because IT doesn't want to sacrifice their weekends and week nights doing unpaid work installing/hosting/troubleshooting some random CRM. And a Sales manager may just have found it easier to give Salesforce a try and put it on his own corporate credit card.

      A good IT department tries to figure out what the person they stopped was trying to accomplish and tries to find a secure way of doing that.

      This, I do agree with.

      Blocking everything would be like a janitor keeping everyone else out since maintenance gets easier that way.

      Except that IT work isn't like janitorial work, and maybe that misconception is the root of the problems you've experienced. IT work can easily take exponentially longer the more components you add to a system.

      While the method works for their immediate task the company cannot survive such measures.

      This is why overtime pay and having enough IT employees is so important. Otherwise, you have to depend on hiring expensive outside consultants and putting everything into the "cloud" (whether you like that idea or not).

    6. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do keep in mind that many IT departments don't do this simply because they're lazy, but they are literally tasked with "reducing IT costs" by management.

      They write a proposal "locking down machines would cut support costs by 35%"

      Management says "yes, I like having to hire less people".

      So they do.

      This isn't IT being malicious - in most cases, its IT responding to management demanding they run a leaner department.

    7. Re:The risk to turn on itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good IT department tries to figure out what the person they stopped was trying to accomplish and tries to find a secure way of doing that.

      Most of the time, when good IT people start digging into why people want to do stupid things, the bad non-IT people raise their hackles because they're trying to violate federal law or company policy (in that order).

  6. IT is a black hole by t0qer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IT is a black hole where money goes but never returns a wise friend once told me. Development/Engineering makes a product. Sales sells it. CEO's,CFO's, COO's all know how to quantify that kind of stuff, but an in-house service like IT? Makes their heads spin. We're also the department that helps inept employees look not so inept.

    1. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not so wise.

      Imagine running a company without IT. Compete with typewriters, rotary phones, snail mail, and nothing but manual processes.

      IT is the bedrock of every modern business. Without it, you might as well be Amish.

    2. Re: IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can run a company without having an IT department. Outsource it, you will never regret it.

    3. Re:IT is a black hole by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but usually the rest of the business considers IT a cost center. Build a new feature into the product / website and the BA's or marketing take all the credit.

      --
      There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
    4. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so wise.

      Imagine running a company without IT. Compete with typewriters, rotary phones, snail mail, and nothing but manual processes.

      IT is the bedrock of every modern business. Without it, you might as well be Amish.

      That was very insensitive to all of the Amish Slashdot readers.

    5. Re:IT is a black hole by Let's+All+Be+Chinese · · Score: 2

      Imagine running a company without IT. Compete with typewriters, rotary phones, snail mail, and nothing but manual processes.

      No more bleeping apparatus complaining about this or that, refusing to work at all (up and dies, maybe bluescreen, maybe give up the magic smoke), deciding on the spot it needs to do something different and you, stupid luser, can just bloody well wait until it is done (*cough* updates *cough*), or simply make all your well-trodden "I do this in this way" paths up and vanish into something Shiny! and New! so you never again can get the same result (ribbons, or any other of a long list of "updates", "improvements", "upgrades", "new versions", or what have you). No more VoIP phones suddenly refusing to register. No more email that just up and vanishes into thin air, or simply doesn't get noticed between all the spam, or is flat-out unreadable because the addition of electrons made the other^W^Wboth parties to the conversation a gibbering idiot.

      Bliss!

      IT is the bedrock of every modern business. Without it, you might as well be Amish.

      You might also get some actual work done.

      I notice that a lot of "process" in business, but moreso in government, is only very thinly "computerised" in the sense that it requires a computer, but not in the sense that this allows more work to be done, work happens more efficiently (au contraire), work comes through faster, the function becomes more dependable (bwahahaha), and so on.

      And then there's that this computerisation automation digitalisation transformation revolution ringy dingy thingy itself caused a lot more work that "needs" to be done, that we could do perfectly well forego if only we'd do away with the machinery and deign to write a letter by hand again.

      IOW, we might require the apparatus to be present and in use, but we aren't actually reaping much of any improvements it was supposed to bring to the table.

    6. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine running a company without electricity, without it, you might also as well be Amish.

      How many company has an Electricity Department?

      Something being critical to business operation does not imply one needs to have a dedicated department with a huge budget.

      Unless you can quantify what value a department brings, that department would be the next in line to be outsourced. Say what you will, that's how management operates, start your own company with a strong IT department if you really think it will make your company more competitive.

    7. Re: IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can run a company without having an IT department. Outsource it, you will never regret it.

      BOLDED response: ROFLMAO

    8. Re:IT is a black hole by RevDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your wise friend isn't very wise.

      Within the past six months? IT saved a hundred million dollar contract because we made an incredibly simple reporting portal. Think web version of Excel. Customer loved it. They did not want random Excel files with literally ten thousand VLOOKUPs every morning, which was the previous 'solution'. IT engineered a last minute audio-visual display for a very high name project. We bought and built something for a fraction the cost of leasing, and ended up using the very nice TVs afterwards to upgrade our conference rooms. We not only saved the company money on replacement, we turned a profit. IT facilitated selling stuff the company used to throw out. More money.

      If your IT department is a financial black hole, either you don't get what they do or their head needs to be fired. They should always be earning their keep.

    9. Re: IT is a black hole by jon3k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think that in house IT guy is taking advantage of you? Wait until IBM gets their hands on you.

    10. Re:IT is a black hole by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Ask your "wise" friend:

      1) How will Development/Engineering design their products without functioning computers, phones, and teleconference software?
      2) How will Sales sell a product that Development & Engineering can't develop or engineer because their computers and communications systems don't work.
      3) How will C*O's get their reports when their servers don't work (I know they'll say, "Cloud!" [for stupid reasons that make no sense]), their engineers are dead in the water (or inching along, at best), and their sales people have nothing to sell?

      Then ask your "wise" friend how much IT services are worth.

    11. Re:IT is a black hole by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Last time I was told "IT is just a cost center" I looked at the VP and asked where he heard that. When he responded with "Accounting" I pointed out that accounting was a cost center as well, heck even your management position is a cost center. I don't understand what IT being a cost center has to do with anything as everyone not in sales is a cost center.

    12. Re: IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work with IBM daily, I can not stress this enough.

    13. Re: IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Outsource it, you will never regret it.

      Really? I guess that's why there's not a company in the history of the world that outsourced IT didn't bring it back in house a few years later... Even the airlines are working fast and furious to get control back over their technology from outsourcers.

    14. Re:IT is a black hole by mt2mb4me · · Score: 2

      You might also get some actual work done.

      I notice that a lot of "process" in business, but moreso in government, is only very thinly "computerised" in the sense that it requires a computer, but not in the sense that this allows more work to be done, work happens more efficiently (au contraire), work comes through faster, the function becomes more dependable (bwahahaha), and so on.

      And then there's that this computerisation automation digitalisation transformation revolution ringy dingy thingy itself caused a lot more work that "needs" to be done, that we could do perfectly well forego if only we'd do away with the machinery and deign to write a letter by hand again.

      IOW, we might require the apparatus to be present and in use, but we aren't actually reaping much of any improvements it was supposed to bring to the table.

      The added productivity is in the lack of secretaries needed to file everything, and the large rooms required to hold all the files. Also the quick retrieval of said data and ability to present it in a user friendly model multiple times without carbon paper. its the minuta that you don't realize isn't there anymore that is the digital revolution.

    15. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The whole "IT is just a cost center" line is just a bullshit argumentation tactic. It attempts to minimize IT and their importance.

      What the speaker is really saying is this. "You are small and unimportant. Don't get in my way and don't ask for money or things. I'll deign to ignore you if you learn your place."

      So challenge them. Ask them how they'll run the company without IT. Ask them how much money the company makes after a massive failure at outsourcing. Best case scenario, IT gets outsourced but it still costs more for less service and lower quality. Gee, that'll look good on the VP's resume!

      It's all bullshit MBA talk. The best way to respond is to call them on it and challenge them to do better. In fact, if they think they can do better and haven't, then why haven't they? That suggests they either cannot do better or are failing to perform their management function. Or they are Sunday morning quarterbacks, criticizing someone else for their performance, all while failing to put any of their own skin in the game.

    16. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not the muscles, you're the bones.

    17. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The added productivity is in the lack of secretaries needed to file everything,

      Instead we have IT admins, operators, tape monkeys, helpdesks (first and second, maybe third line support), and a separate hierarchy including a CTO, CIO, or CISO.

      And in bigger shops, lots and lots of Very Expensive Consultants, making good money prolonging all those lovely problems caused by (trying to "go") "digital". (*cough* How many millions wasted in New York's CityTime project? And that's just *one* project. *cough*)

      Besides, because of all that tech, secretaries are now seen to be not done because "expensive", pushing many of their tasks onto the executive they used to serve. Who're paid quite a bit more, but now less effective because of the extra work that's expected of them. Which often enough, they do very sloppily. Compare the average corporate email to the average corporate paper memo. (And then the replies. AOL all over. *yech*)

      and the large rooms required to hold all the files.

      Datacentres, with lots of computing power, about as many Watts of cooling power, associated required infrastructure, the power plants to run them, and so on. Stuffing paper in a building is not as space efficient as the same space full of hard drives, but hard drives alone aren't enough, and for energy efficiency, paper is pretty hard to beat.

      Also the quick retrieval of said data and ability to present it in a user friendly model multiple times without carbon paper.

      Iff it works. Carbon paper never has video driver trouble, suddenly turns blue, what have you. And the "user friendly" part? That's easily the most frustrating part to any office drone.

      The speed is a good point, and some things are very well served by the speed increase. But far from all of them, in fact, it sometimes turns into a curse, too.

      its the minuta that you don't realize isn't there anymore that is the digital revolution.

      Replaced by a myriad of similarly^Wmore vexing trouble, certainly more complex ailments. So we've traded pain for different pain and we still haven't done more than scratch the surface in reaped benefits. Which was the point.

      Oh, and your grammar could use some polish. You're far from alone. Some people stop being able to spell as soon as s video display comes into play. Funny how that works.

    18. Re: IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forget, most of this has gone to the cloud now. so one IT team and help desk helps thousands of small companies. Also lets not forget the old calulator slaves of the 1960's. go to your doctors office, you just see big empty offices where all the filing cabinets were. sorry, your puffery over the imcreased cost does not come near the stability or speed of the current business model, its just not as pretty becuase they passed sexual harassment laws.

    19. Re:IT is a black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Sales is a cost center, just like any other. Try selling anything without support from the pricing team, the bid support team, the analytics team, finance, IT, even HR. There is only one profit center, and that's what the firm actually does. i.e. What your customers pay you to do.

      So, if you're an airline, it's your flight operations. If you're a B2B office supplies provider, it's your procurement, warehouse fulfillment and logistics process. If you're a restaurant, its your food procurement, menu planning, kitchen and service functions.

      Your customer's don't pay you for your sales team. Sales is a service function - like most other function in the business. It may be a critical function, but it's not as critical as the functions your customers pay money for.

      The only reason sales got labelled a profit centre (and the other guys, cost centers) is sales guys are very good at selling. Selling anything. Including themselves. I think that's why most CEOs seem to rise up from the sales function.

  7. Janitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT has to cleanup the mess from all of the fucked-up porn surfing sales people downloading viruses all of the time.

    1. Re:Janitor by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I can say of all the extra horrible work nasty "not my job" work I've done during my 20 years in tech being a jizz-mop is not one of them.

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      The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
  8. Avoiding Shelfware by niks42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My role in IT was to stop people buying hardware and software without thinking through how it would be used, how all the bits would integrate together and who would support it. I work in hospitals, and they are the worst so far. Clinical departments think it is a good idea to spend a pile of money on some piece of hardware or software, only to find they either can't use it, it is too complex for their staff to learn, it doesn't fit with anything else, it has a huge dependency on something they didn't buy and so on. Most of it ends up not ever being used - hence shelfware.

    1. Re:Avoiding Shelfware by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      My role in IT was to stop people buying hardware and software without thinking

      I would argue buying hardware and software is part of the IT role. Even if it's end-user specific stuff it is the IT department who should vet and procure the software. Otherwise you end up with a clusterf***k of licenses and hardware requiring drivers that would be impossible to properly manage from an audit, security, or even desktop imaging point of view.

    2. Re:Avoiding Shelfware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or departments spending 5 figures on software that they don't bother to procure the hardware necessary to run it.

    3. Re:Avoiding Shelfware by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Ahh, that is a new meaning of shelfware. It thought shelfware is what can be bought ready of "shelves" in the virtual stores, which is sually what you want, nothing too weird that will end up being a maintaince or use nightmare, only buy custom and rare things when it is absolutely necessary for the business, and ensure you have in-house expertise when you do.

    4. Re:Avoiding Shelfware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My role in IT was to stop people buying hardware and software without thinking

      I would argue buying hardware and software is part of the IT role.

      Other side of the same coin. Worst of both worlds is when users buy their own stuff, and then it's ITs job to make it work. Yes, sometimes IT says "don't buy this", but it's usually because we can tell that it won't do what you need, or won't work with the existing setup.

      Car analogy: User wants to buy truck tires, but they have a civic! Either the truck tires are a waste, or you have to throw out the civic and buy a truck.

    5. Re:Avoiding Shelfware by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I've never seen your definition of "shelfware" before. I've seen that referred to as "COTS" or "shrink-wriap" instead. "Shelfware" has always been stuff that gets paid for and never used, and sits on a shelf somewhere. It's one of the ideal cases for selling software and hardware: a customer who pays up front, never bothers support, and typically forgets about it so it isn't a consideration in the next purchase.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  9. With a wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I once got into trouble, for saying something like, I suppose a kettle has a wire on it, that must be our responsibility as well.
    ok it may have been fucking kettle.

    1. Re:With a wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      should have just refered them to catering or the staff canteen, its a kitchen implement.

  10. Sometimes you end up doing the work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That the outsourced IT were supposed to do (effectively hiding their incompetence), also known as diversity

  11. profits of doom result in spiritual bankruptcy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cease fire stand down.. accurate inf. useful interface,, sing along.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jORFcH5uAjM

  12. There's a simple rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it beeps, blinks or have a button, it is the responsibility of IT to handle it.

  13. If you are a software engineer, your not new to IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In my experience, Software Engineers are in IT. Many businesses write their infrastructure as code or at the very least have to write a lot of custom utilities, automations and often have a handle on online offering's code bases, not to mention providing a high level of aptitude in working with the given ERP system and related data services. Another critical consideration is if you are developing any code and you don't consider yourself the 'antibody' of the enterprise then you aren't doing Software Engineering right.

    But, I digress, in situations where you do have pure Devs and dedicated Infrastructure/Facility teams, Infrastructure will be expected to manage security (patching, security software, border gateways, firmware management, CCTV) as well as software and hardware lifecycles, procurement (including warranties and licensing), comms (phone, mail etc), user management and policies, access (door locks and swipe cards, VPNs, Internet access, root passwords), server performance, database administration, managing the desktop systems images and BYOD, offerings, DR and backup (this includes testing the UPS), storage, as well as general enterprise planning. Fundamentally, if it exists and plugs into a wall now or in the future, it is your responsibility. In addition to that, you will also need to hold the hands of any pure Devs as they typically can't be expected to lock down their environment beyond their APIs (you get to lock down the remainder of their stack)

  14. Getting sanctions on Russia lifted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just kidding, IT isn't morons.

  15. IT Department on where I work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once saw all our IT staff busy transferring 3 huge boxes with business cards which was collected by company CEO in a conference. Transferring all the data from business cards to an MS excel file.

    When they have nothing to do, they back-up all accounting invoice data and server emails in a DVD ROM, without any encryption of course. That would just increase their workload.

    Sometimes IT staff are carrying heavy CPU boxes because some hardware fault causes it to make endless loop on reboot.

    IT staff are also clearing the network cables below our table, sometimes the cables are compressed by 2 tables which could damage the copper wires.

    If they have nothing to do, they peek at everybody's pay-cheque and they love to peek at accounting files so they can also request for an increase in bonus or increase in salary.

       

  16. Same advice as the others, but.. by irving47 · · Score: 2

    You're going to see a lot of negative, bitter posts in here from guys who feel like they've been taken advantage of. I'm definitely one of them, but I won't bore you by parroting.
    Are you assertive? If not, that might be the one thing others might not think to advise you one. Find some way of ensuring you are treated fairly for performing beyond your "normal" role. Ask the other employees whether your employer is known for being a tight-ass with money and funds for projects. Ask if they're justly rewarded when they take on extra tasks. What I've learned is don't just "assume" or "hope" that you'll be noticed for being a "team player". If you have more than 2-3 people tell you what you don't want to hear, get out, or at least clear it up with your boss NOW. You're not asking for a raise, you just want to be sure you're not bitter, stressed, and burned out in a year.

    --
    I had a sucky sig.
  17. Training Manual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have received a copy of the training video on what to expect from users and some of your tasks. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-ni...

    Welcome to the rewarding world of IT

    1. Re:Training Manual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Content is not available in your location"

      I VPNed into the US and found the video not to be worth the hassle. YMMV.

  18. Shagging the office assistant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She needs a regular shag, and it comes down to the IT department

  19. Throwing out packing boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throwing out packing boxes and cleaning up the datacenter (of big foam/cardboard pieces) once you install nice multi-million euro hardware ;-)

    1. Re: Throwing out packing boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of amatuer fucking datacenter allows cardboard and packing materials on the floor?

    2. Re: Throwing out packing boxes by mt2mb4me · · Score: 1

      Most of them I have been in, and I have been in a lot. From COLOs to Fortune 500 Companies, to small mom and pop organizations. We do 3rd party warranty support for enterprise hardware .

  20. Learning how to say no & communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most important thing you will learn is not just to say no, but how to say no to idiot requests. You will be viewed as a complete arsehole if you get it wrong consistently.

    Communicating things to the business is also an essential skill, meaning being able to explain things so others can understand them, is also a sometimes difficult task especially when matters are anything above moderately complex and you are dealing with, amongst others, bean counters that somehow graduated with some kind of finance related qualification without managing to learn Excel properly in education or in their professional career (which involves using Excel all day every day).

  21. Depends on size of organization. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first job was help-desk in a company hiring 30 office workers and about a hundred of physical workers.

    I was responsible for:
    - desktops,
    - servers,
    - ERP system (mainly backups, but also adding new reports and forms),
    - network (cables, switches and router),
    - contacts with external ISP regarding our website and e-mail service,
    - technical specifications for purchases of IT hardware.

    But I've also did some stranger things like:
    - fixing a computer that managed a CNC machine.
    - setting up network for our industrial automation guys at client's site ()
    - design and implementation of a program for simulation of technological process.

    Fortunately there was (on-call) tele-com guy who serviced phones. We had quiet understanding, never to touch each-other's cables and devices.

  22. In small shops.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In a small shop...

    IT = all things that use electricity, except for typically HVAC (although even then you may have to let them in or show them to the right rooms and deal with the fall out.)
    - physical security (badge access and electronic locks/door entries, at least dealing with the contractors and requirements)
    - wiring of network (i've had to crawl through plenum holding a group of CAT5 on an early help desk job........because i was the only one who weighed under 65kg)
    - telephones (I got handy with a 101 punch block at this same job)
    In addition
    - the CEO's fancy new desk that goes up and down with the push of a button
    - the desk fan for the receptionist when it breaks and she can't figure out why its making that weird sound
    - the pump on the aquarium slows to a halt and IT to the rescue
    - coffee is spilled under a desk (well to be fair it did put a few drops of coffee on an unused network cable)
    - a new powerstrip is needed in the breakroom for the extra toaster they bought
    - the CFO needs a new light in her full spectrum face light

    1. Re: In small shops.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Senior tech in a small electronic engineering firm, bit backwards for us. 5 enginerds, 5 techs, n a handful of support staff. The Engineering manager also does all the IT. And there's alot of IT. Webserver, web control for our hardware, radius and vpn authentication for at least 300 accounts, maybe 30 vm's on a number of servers. And the blessed 2am SMS to say a server has gone down and to brace for clients screaming bloody murder.

      Thats all IT stuff, but what he should actually be doing is managing jobs and his staff, approving designs and quotes. Maybe some Engineering now n then.

      It's insane. The owner doesn't see a problem tho, he 'has it under control'. I swear he does the work of 3 people. We're in so much trouble when he rage quits, flips his desk, punches the sales manager n stops answering his phone. Then gets a job on twice as much or half as much work. I'll probably be giving notice on that day to, cos the whole company will grind to a shuddering halt.

    2. Re: In small shops.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or worse, having been in this position, he implements something he doesn't know (virtual switches) in some infrastructure he built with the help of some 3rd party company, with no one really understanding the use case or traffic...and its fine for 1 year until a new sales guy starts to make sales and some customer doubles your load and the infrastructure crashes due to load....and then it takes 1 week with 10 new contractors working side by side to get it done.

      And the Rock Star genius who didn't know what he was doing but liked to do coke with the boss on 'business trips' to where the PGA was having its latest rounds gets a bonus and 3 weeks off work, paid in Hawaii, for working overtime that week to help fix all the problems....that he created. And bug-fucker the rest of us who had been complaining about the poorly archtitected network and inadequate SAN bandwidth for *years*.

      Guess who crashed the DC the 2nd time? Same coke-head boss, in the DC, with an open bottle of beer, on a new PDU, taking down the network for 2 hours...again...costing 10s of thousands in panic-emergency-i'm drunk support.

      And then WE (all of us NOT IN THE FUCKING DC) had to sign a code of conduct agreement that we wouldn't drink in the data center..and the same dickhead boss made us sign it...and knowing from my wife's boss, he didn't sign it. In fact, he wrote it to pre-empt getting fired. And somehow blamed it on the contractors he had brought in after he fucked up.

      And somehow after the company went public, he was still able to use company money for blow and golf and hookers because these were 'expenses' on 'sales trips' to companies that had 'expressed interest' and just happened to be in the same city as some fucking golf tournament.

      Then no raises, and downsizing, and asshole Rock Star and Boss get promoted, do less work, and have golden parachutes when company is acquired and fires most of the IT engineering staff.

      .

  23. Re:If you are a software engineer, your not new to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah,

    On paper my job description is “Software Developer”, but due my broad experience with networking, SAN, Oracle DB, Linux administration and performance monitoring; I'm the one to call when specialists start to play blame-shifting games.
    On the other hand I love solving system wide puzzles.

  24. Bookstore: Computer Section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look in the computer section of a bookstore. There are diverse topics including how to write an email, online business etiquette, online marketing, web design, programming, the history of computers, and a biography of Steve Jobs. If they did not have the word "computer" in the title, they would be spread across the store, from history to communications to business... The population at large generally considers computing to be a highest-level domain of knowledge and shoehorn in anything vaguely computer-related. We never had a phase where telephone etiquette was sorted together with wiring a house.
    Most consumers and most businesses want tech that "just works" and they don't want to think about it.

  25. Monitor the traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to start to monitor all web traffic after s suspicious image appeared on our network which turned out to be one of the managers watching kidde porn. I had to liease with the police and compile evidence for them so he could get the boot without any sort of leaving package.

    1. Re:Monitor the traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to start to monitor all web traffic after s suspicious image appeared on our network which turned out to be one of the managers watching kidde porn. I had to liease with the police and compile evidence for them so he could get the boot without any sort of leaving package.

      Sorry but once the police are involved it becomes a criminal matter and you cannot act as an agent of the police when "collecting evidence"; chain of custody and all that jazz.

    2. Re: Monitor the traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the Best Buy geek squad.

  26. Depends on the size of the company by houghi · · Score: 1

    If you work in a small company, most likely you will be asked to do things that are outside your job. What this will be will depend on the company.
    This is not limited to the IT department.

    The reason can be that due to the growing of the company the task was never pointed towards the correct department. If these are minor things, it will most likely not change, If it takes up too much time, it might be that they will address the issue and appoint it to the correct department.

    What you need to do if these things happen is first take a look at the time spend on it, then look who should do it instead, next talk first with cow orkers if they already addressed it and then to your boss with a clear explanation why it should go to department Y.
    Because he needs to sell it that department Y needs to do it. There are as many reason why they want it as why they don't. (The lamest I ever saw was that every manager should have the same amount of FTE and divide the jobs according to that)

    But yeah, there will always be things that won't be 100% with your job description and the smaller the company, the higher the chance this will happen. Goes up to 100% if you are alone.

    It happens in every department in all companies.

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  27. Be clear on who did what by what+about · · Score: 2

    Most of today stuff has some "software" in it and "others" will try desperately to assign the "maintenance" of it to you.

    Do not fall for it easily: For every bad equipment you have to "handle" state clearly who bought/authorized it and that you cannot support a defective unit.

    Keep repeating it in every conversation/email.

    Yes, you will be hated, but really, the alternative is worse.
    (Alternative is: Being blamed for all crappy choices made by others)

  28. IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by geekmux · · Score: 2

    The problem with employers assuming they can still get away with a jack-of-all-trades "IT guy" position these days is the level of complexity and technical competence required to maintain systems properly. IT has fragmented down quite a bit, and one can make a career out of simply mastering IT security, and not ever even get into managing the other 90% of IT services.

    Consider some of the most common services we run today in business. Desktops, servers, printers, switches, routers, email, internet, database, file/print/DNS/DHCP, along with SPAM filters, firewalls, IDS/IPS, A/V and anti-malware to help protect it all. And we haven't even touched virtualization or voice/chat services yet. Think you're gonna hire one IT person to do it all, or even find someone who holds a competent level of knowledge? Do you have only one doctor you see for anything and everything? No. Sure, a lot of those services you could hire the magical "cloud" to run to minimize IT staffing needs, but if you're cloud-adverse (which is becoming more and more of a valid stance), that may not be a viable option. If you run a local data center, now you're talking UPS sizing, generators, fire suppression, and physical security. Should the level-1 junior IT person be in charge ot DR/BCP planning for all IT services? Probably not.

    IT should now be compared to the medical industry, where you have many specialists serving a compartmentalized field, due to complexity and skill required in each.. I'm not saying a small company needs to employ a staff of half a dozen specialists every time, but as the requirements list for IT services grows, so does the need for additional staff. Also, redundancy. Companies need to avoid the hit-by-a-bus scenario and ensure for every service the business relies on, you have primary and an alternate person named, and not merely on paper. Again, to compare to the medical industry, ongoing training is critical to maintaining competency.

    TL; DR - Even for small business, IT today is not simple or easy. Employers cannot assume to get away with a jack-of-all-trades IT position.

  29. Here's my list of lesser known roles by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Funny

    - maintaining a high-traffic quake 3 arena server on company Hardware without anyone noticing

    - coming up with elaborate and well worded excuses as to why I don't have time to set up and maintain MS Office 365 and it's groupware mess and have them let the intern/media-communications do it (the poor fellows)

    - explaining for the n-th time to the utterly clueless online team and the consultant PMs what the difference between a client and a server is, why versioning is important, that it's not *my* versioning but *our* versioning, why ci is a good idea, why manual ftp and working directly on live is a bad idea

    - stareing, day in and day out with awe and amazement at the ultimate shitfest that is WordPresses application architecture and wondering how we as a human race even got this far ... That's just from the top of my head.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Here's my list of lesser known roles by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      - stareing, day in and day out with awe and amazement at the ultimate shitfest that is WordPresses application architecture and wondering how we as a human race even got this far ... That's just from the top of my head.

      How I envy you for the days when Wordpress seemed daunting.
      Alas, Magento2 has crossed my path and I felt my youthful innocense torn away.

      --
      Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
    2. Re:Here's my list of lesser known roles by jon3k · · Score: 1

      - stareing, day in and day out with awe and amazement at the ultimate shitfest that is WordPresses application architecture and wondering how we as a human race even got this far ... That's just from the top of my head.

      Low barrier to entry. They could get something up and running within a week and spend the rest of their lives making money trying to fix it.

    3. Re:Here's my list of lesser known roles by houghi · · Score: 1

      Quake 3 Arena? That brings back memories. Are you BOFH?

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  30. The art of fighting without fighting by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    The main role that has been overlooked repeatedly here is the role of communicator [on Slashdot? say it isn't so! :^) ]

    It is a tough job. People believe that you are a magic djinn responsible for anything they don't understand, that you can fix anything with a wave of your hand, that by not fixing it immediately you just don't want to do it, and that even though they have no idea where to begin, it is actually quite easy as they have a 14 year old nephew who "knows everything about computers." Furthermore, once you go near their computer and future problem they have was caused by you. Good times.

    Don't ever foster the belief that you know everything. It will be your ego that destroys you. When the power goes out, let them know that you too feel victimized. When the computer is not working properly, let them know that you too feel frustration about how things never work the way they are supposed to. If you can get them to see you as the poor sap who has to bear the brunt of the insanity rather than the guy who knows the secret but won't share it then your life will get a whole lot better very quickly.

    --
    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  31. If it has a plug on it ... by petes_PoV · · Score: 2
    ... you are expected to know how to fix it.

    Whether it is the brand new cabinet of AI or the CIO's daughter's piece of crap bought off eBay. Or, depending on the size of the organisation, any other random piece of electronics owned by any staff member.

    --
    politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  32. If it uses electricity, it's your problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a small company of half a dozen people, and I just say that if it plugs into the wall or has a battery, it's my problem. I keep PCs running, deal with our site hosting, sort out phone syncing, find charging cables, fix the printer, yell at our ISP when they change our plan but 'forget' to change what they're charging us, and vacuum the desks. Since I'm the only man working here, I also lift anything heavy, move furniture, and deal with spiders.

  33. The Practice of System and Network Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I recommend "The Practice of System and Network Administration" by Limoncelli et al:

    * https://www.amazon.com/dp/0321919165/
    * http://the-sysadmin-book.com

    It's a large tome, everything you need to know is front-loaded in the first third or so (300 / 900 pages) in Part I ("Getting Started") and II ("Foundation Elements"). Parts III, IV, and V (many chapters each) are something to worry about later (if at all, depending on the size of the organization).

    If you don't have one running already, set up a ticketing system. RT (often recommended in /r/sysadmin) is pretty easy and will take you a long way before you need something more complicated. We used it at $WORK for many years before the higher ups wanted more metrics and reporting and we went to Atlassian (*hawk* *spit*) ServiceDesk.

  34. If it uses electricity, you are the SME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats on your new job in IT! Depending on your company size, and the number of other people in your department, if it plugs in (electricity or network), you are now the SME for that device! Lucky you.

  35. Does it run on electricity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call IT!!!

  36. Software licensing by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    website white/blacklisting; corporate VPN setup, maintenance and wide deployment; machine (hard and and software) assignment, maintenance, violation-management and whatnot; support system setup provisioning and maintenance (ERPs, accounting, time-tracking...); version-control/website/applicational/db/issue-tracking hosting setup, maintenance and management; and the most common and cumbersome of all - wired and wireless network management for internal, external, transient and development usage. Good luck with that last one, it includes hardware selection, spatial placement, load-balancing, QoS'ing, virtual-network arrangement, and the not-so-odd hardware incompatibility.

    The list goes on, but I think that bunch will get you started out pretty fairly.

  37. They Just Want Smart People by Cill · · Score: 1

    Rarely will you ever encounter a job that fits nicely in it's description. Perhaps factory or a very large corporation. Even then, if you hope to expand your responsibility you better show both desire and ability to move off script. If they are so disorganized, understaffed, or generally confused to ask you, then that's an opportunity to prove your worth and help them do better overall. The better they do, the better you will do. If you acquire all those new skills and they don't reimburse you come promotion time, then the worse case is that you just made yourself a much better resume. However, if you're totally out of your depth with something they ask you to help with, you better fess up or you'll screw it up worse and they'll have to fix more than just the first problem.

    --
    "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
    1. Re:They Just Want Smart People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Rarely will you ever encounter a job that fits nicely in it's description."

      Rarely will you ever encounter an apostrophe that fits nicely in a possessive pronoun. it's means it is.

  38. Explaining Bitcoin by Dan+B. · · Score: 1

    Until the owner of the business comes to you asking about Bitcoin, you aint seen nothing. Especially when you tell your colleagues how much you made this last quarter (before it crashed again) and you get the "I asked you about this and you said not to worry about it" comment...

    So yes, apparently IT is also good for dispensing financial advice now too.

    --
    Dan. -- So what if it's spelt wrong, nobody's perfect
  39. Depends how you want to break it up... by camusflage · · Score: 1

    You have, at the broadest level, physical and virtual. Physical people deal with things like servers, switches, copiers, phones, etc. Virtual people deal with things like software support, development, databases, etc. Generally, organizations are aligned with three broad buckets: Development, Infrastructure, and Support. Security is a role as well, but many organizations place security outside of the broader IT organization.

    If you want to have structured rigidity to your role (ie, not asked to do things you feel outside it), you should probably seek out a larger organization. Understand, however, that you'll likely grow further and faster as a professional in an organization where you are asked to stretch those boundaries. Do you want to be the world's most awesomest developer focused on x technology stack, or do you want to be a well-rounded IT professional with the skills and background to thrive in any environment? Maybe I'm just biased, but with a 25 year career spanning help desk, server and network admin, database administration and development, fifteen years of web app dev, and now seven years of security, I vote for well-rounded. Without all that time doing all those "other things", I would not be able to be effective in my current role.

    --
    The truth about Scientology, Xenu, and you: Operation Clambake
  40. Least Knoiwn Role by Ryelah · · Score: 1

    I was hired 12 years ago for specifically IT. Up until 6 years ago, that was all I did, other than the odd point of sale system. After our service manager died, we all are now made to sweep the shop floor, and vacuum the carpets at the door. The service manager had no issues doing that himself, but the person who took over his job is apparently "too good" to relegate to that task. It sucks, and I would leave if I could, but there is nowhere else to go currently, and my employer knows that.

  41. You are the everything guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are on one hand, a janitor. You do menial tasks and clean up other people's messes. On the other hand you roll out complex systems that require time and concentration. You juggle these and everything in between all day all throughout the day.

  42. IT Hell by sumdumfuk · · Score: 1

    At my job, I am in IT hell. If it has any kind of electronics, I am told it is my responsibility. I also handle the phone systems for 3 properties along with managing all the hardware, software, cabling, vendors, ordering, and pretty much anything else you can think of. I have even been asked to fix microwaves, tvs, copiers, credit card machines, surveillance equipment, etc. Definitely not what I was hired for and definitely not what I am getting paid for.

  43. Nature of I.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a huge difference between a "Software Engineer" and a "Network Engineer". From your comment I would guess you are the "Software Engineer". If that is the case, I think you are in a mismatched position, and you should stick to software. The situation you are describing is handled by the "Network Engineers" (such as myself), and it's a normal part of the I.T. world.

    Our job is mostly hardware, design and implementation, configuration, monitoring and analysis of network traffic. We are the experts of the equipment that connects to the network which is why corporations have us be the ones to perform the task assigned to you.

    I think you somehow got placed in a position not suited for you, and that may be the fault of H.R. failing to correctly describe and define the position.

    1. Re:Nature of I.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my company it's the H.R. people that are giving us job creep into their department because they insist on running a horrible, horrible, people management and accounting software that neither they nor the accounting people can figure out. No, it doesn't matter how much the I.T. department protest the quality of the software. We're the ones who wind up creating users, setting access levels, troubleshooting accounting issues, etc... If there's an issue that should belong to H.R. or Accounting you can bet I.T. gets dragged into it because "it's on a computer".

  44. Accounting.... by Drewdad · · Score: 1

    I never knew I would go into IT in order to become an accountant, calculating depreciation schedules and providing chargeback/showback charts to "internal customers."

    And I'm not some middle-management drone....

  45. As a newbie to IT, get ready to learn... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    ...

    1) Everything is your fault
    2) Perfection is the minimum standard
    3) Everything is your fault
    4) You must fix everything without spending any money
    5) Everything is your fault
    6) IT people are a dime a dozen

    and lastly

    7) Everything is your fault

  46. If it is plugged in, networked or on the floor... by ehaggis · · Score: 2

    ...it is part of the I.T. domain; especially in smaller Mom & Pop operations.

    --
    One ring to bind them - should probably have more fiber and less rings in their diet.
  47. Lack of network policy can be a major gotcha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometime you will find that they company doesn't have a policy for use of the network or what kind of devices can be connected to it. Lack of a policy an be a really major pothole.

  48. Depends on company size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In most medium or small companies the IT person (or "team") would be in charge of the following even though the budget for it is not under their control.

      - Hardware Procurement
            - Desktops
            - Servers
          - Phones (Desk/Conference/Cell)
          - Printers / Copiers
                  - Toner and other consumables like paper
                  - Paper Jams

    - Software Procurement and Licensing

    - Keycard System
    - Security Cameras
    - Telco (Internet and all phone lines/PRI/SIP/etc)
    - Phone System

  49. 'Fresh Hell'? by Junta · · Score: 2

    Oh no, they are arguing with a phone vendor, boo hoo.

    In the wake of the dot-com burst, the company I had been working at (well as much 'working' as college kids actually did at dot com startups) dissolved, so I found myself with the only job I could find, IT intern at the research site of an industrial equipment manufacturer. It paid barely more than minmum wage and capped my hours to 20 a week.

    The first day I was informed that they consider IT a part of facilities, so I would report to their director of facilities, and I was in fact *the* IT department. This seemed ok. They showed me to where I should sit, and it was a rickety table and cheap hard plastic chair in the closet with a rack of servers, a rack of telephony equipment, and bits of the HVAC control system around.

    The next day I went to ask for my work assignment and the facilities director wasn't there. A few hours later I was informed that they had fired him, and I was assuming the role of facilities. I asked if I could use his now empty office and was told no, those were only for director level executives, so I went through my tenure in the closet, not even allowed to use any of the empty offices or cubicles. But the fun had not yet begun.

    I quickly learned that the company had one rule: never ever ever call a vendor, even if under warranty. My first lesson was when they brought me in to look at some piece of industrial equipment used on factory floors for something or another. There was a computer attached saying that there was a fault in the equipment, and so the equipment would not run. After double checking the computer I said as near as I could tell, that the fault was legitimate, and we should call the manufacturer for guidance. I was informed we shouldn't do that, and I should try to diagnose the equipment myself. So I grabbed an oscilloscope and an ohmmeter and went about effectively trying to reverse engineer the monitoring circuitry of a broken whatever the hell it was. I did actually find an open in a fairly standard component, and said we could buy a new one for a couple dollars and see if that worked, was asked if I could repair it, so broke it's casing open and soldered it and the equipment actually worked.

    Another time the HVAC stopped working, and they asked me to dig into that. Fortunately there was some sort of locked down monitoring implementation and we had to call the vendor, who informed us that it would have been against our contract to even *try* to fix it.

    The last notable event along those lines came as one day the security system was emitting a little chirp every 5 minutes and had a fault light. They asked me to look at it, but knowing that I had no idea how to approach it and that a mistake could incur a hefty false alarm fine from the city, I refused. Ultimately some VP said 'fine, let me see'. Within 10 minutes of him 'seeing', the full alarm went off, and within 2 minutes two fire trucks and 3 police cars arrived and the company had to pay a large false alarm fine (for residential, there's leeway, but corporate alarm are treated a bit more strictly).

    Thankfully it only took about 3 months of working there before I found a better job.

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  50. You have more weird jobs at smaller companies.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've done I.T. for everything from "running out of a large garage" type businesses to mid size companies with multiple offices.

    I'd have to say the weirdest variety of job expectations were at the smallest places. When you're the only I.T. guy hired full-time at a small business, you're immediately viewed as one of the "smart guys" who surely knows how to do X, Y and Z that people want to do - regardless of if it has much of anything to do with computers.

    The weirdest tasks of all had to be when I applied for a job in the local newspaper for a Macintosh tech for a small start-up business that wanted to refurbish older Macs and PCs to resell in daycare settings and secondarily to the public as "great first computers for small kids". I was unemployed at the time and needed to make the house and car payment, so wasn't being too selective. It turned out, the guy running this business came up with the idea because he already owned a number of daycare centers, as well as other rental property. He was a long time fan of Apple Macs, even though he wasn't that great at using them. (He was your typical older guy who attended those monthly users' group meetings held at the local library and knew just enough to be dangerous.) One of the interesting features of his house was this HUGE multi-bay garage built into the back side of a hill. He put about 6 rows of shelving units in part of it, where he collected up old, obsolete Macs that area schools, the local newspaper and others wanted to get rid of. He'd drive his van out to one of these places every so often with a trailer attached, and bring back 25 to 50 of the machines at a time.

    The rest of this garage was stuffed full with other odds and ends that looked like a scene from one of those "American Pickers" episodes on TV. He had tool and die equipment (as he said he used to work in that field years back), a huge collection of paint cans of various colors (probably whatever was left when his rentals needed repainting), a lot of miscellaneous hardware like chains, bolts, hooks, and several vehicles including an older car with less than 500 miles on it, sitting under a cover.

    Right away, this guy was maddening to work for. He insisted that I punch in and out on this old time clock he had sitting in the back on a desk. It was one of those green metal analog clocks where you had to line up the paper time card just right and press the big steel button on top to stamp your time on it. And as it was as ancient as most other junk in his garage, the clock often stopped -- so you had to make sure it was set right before punching your card. And the time it printed was barely legible either. I was supposed to be refurbishing these old Macs, putting collections of kids' games and learning programs on them, and tagging them with price sheets that told you exactly what the computer's configuration was. In reality, I'd get one or two finished only to find the hard drives were dying and they'd only boot correctly every other time. Then, I had to dig through a collection of used hard drives he kept around to try to find one that worked well enough so it would hold the information in a stable manner. Every so often, he'd come around trying to micro-manage my work and scold me about something or other I should be doing, in his opinion, in order to work faster.

    At some point, he figured out I knew how to do things like update web sites, so he'd regularly pull me away from what I was doing to come up to his office in the main part of the house. There, he'd have me update his daycare center web site or upload photos and edit descriptions of his rental homes, or edit listings on his personal .Mac web page trying to sell some of those nuts, bolts and chains he had around.

    In the winter months, he had this wood burning furnace contraption he built to heat the garage. So I had the task of tending the fire in it and adding logs to it regularly each day.

    Eventually, he decided to try to sell a bunch of these computers at a computer show at an area

  51. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Actually, depending on what OS you are running, especially *nix, YES! I would expect that one IT guy can handle everything and I hire as many as I need to cover the size of my organization.

    Even I can handle all that, and I'm basically a software guy. BTW, you forgot the most important part: backups.

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  52. Procedural Garbage by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    WordPress is a fork of a project written in PHP 3. It's purely procedural, as PHP did not support classes or object-oriented programming at that time. There are lots of over-engineered piles of crap in the world, and the ones written in PHP are a special hell indeed, but at least from an architectural standpoint I sincerely hope that WordPress stands in a category of its own.

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  53. Other duties as assigned by slapout · · Score: 1

    Supporting company cell phones, unloading boxes of paper, moving furniture (tip: invest in some of those "moving men" things that you put on the feet).

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  54. If it had a wire ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... it was in my scope of work.

    I was a one-man show for my 25 year career and I had the pbx, electrical installations, overhead paging system, smart phone/tablet issues, including negotiating contracts, moving furniture, moving boxes, taking possession of anything that had a wire or was unusual, fixing computers at each manager's home ...

    I also had my day job as Technology Administrator -- all the stuff a network administrator and systems analyst would do.

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  55. Anything that uses electricity, apparently by RevDisk · · Score: 1

    Let's see... Over the years... Cameras. Makes a bit of sense. It uses wired infrastructure. With IP cameras, network video recorders and POE switches, it makes more sense. Building environmental conditions. I just soldered up a bunch of Particle.io Photons with some sensors and throw them around the various parts of the building relating to IT. Door access systems and badges. I've helped build portals and webapps for customers. Which was a primary save on a hundred million dollar customer who was very unhappy with our reporting previously. We helped out our manufacturing folks with technical assistance with the more high tech ends of assembly. We've helped fix multi million dollar CNC machines. We assisted our engineering staff with better workflows to get work from the designers to engineers to the manufacturing folks to the actual CNC devices themselves. Writing policies is always fun.

    It's not just PCs, servers and whatnot. It's information and technology. That covers a lot of diverse legitimate things in any business.

    On the less legitimate side. I've had VPs call the help desk asking why their desk light didn't work. People have put in help desk tickets about clogged toilets. When a bird connected with three phase power run, exploded while catching fire, and started a couple acre burn... Yep. IT was responsible for calling cops, fire, power company and asking accounting to call insurance. We set up the mass notification system for HR because they didn't want to do so.

    1. Re:Anything that uses electricity, apparently by Stephenmg · · Score: 1

      I've had to help with laminators and overhead projectors (the old kind that uses a mirror and a bulb)

  56. Small business IT means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it plugs in it is your problem. At my prior position I became the point person for our HVAC system because the control system ran on a PC. So every complaint about offices being too hot or cold came to me. I don't mind because it is easy to make friends and become a valued part of the organization this way but if you are looking to specialize then big corporations are the way to go. I want no part of corporate red tape and I like being jack of all trades so it works for me.

  57. First Aid and Safety. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    In high-school I got certified in life guarding. I took a few Red Cross classes on CPR, general first aid and safety, and of course life guarding.

    Fast forward to 20 years of being expired on all my certs, pudgy, and in no way fit to be a lifeguard - the H.R. department called me up to the big conference room to help them get some slides on the displays so they could teach those who showed up to the presentation about using the new A.E.D. The H.R. department was fumbling - badly - with everything to do with the whole situation. I asked the H.R. girl if she wanted me to explain what she was having trouble with and I basically did the whole training class, along with a Q&A at the end with absolutely no prep or practice. I just used the resources in front of me and semi-related knowledge from 20 years earlier.

    A.E.D. was barely covered when I did my training. We did about half an hour on older style defibrillators that we weren't actually expected to use when I was in school.

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  58. For most midsize orgs, its infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want your hardware to keep working, unless your company is particularly large-ish you have to be a complete facilities manager on top of your daily IT struggle. Want the server room to stay dry? Well you better have water detection in there cause no one else is going to give a crap. Want the power to stay on? Better get good at breaker sizing, figure out where the failure points are, and secure backup power/generators. Someone in IT better figure out all this because unless you have a skilled facilities dept (most are really not) you wont realize it til its too late.

  59. Depends by nine-times · · Score: 1

    Really, the precise role of any position within the IT department, and indeed the role of the IT department as a whole, depends a fair bit on the company you work for. I've seen companies where most employees were fairly technical, and basic helpdesk support was rare. I've seen companies where most employees were supposed to be extremely technical, but people still needed help logging into their computers on an almost daily basis. I've seen companies where the IT department is largely about development and server work, and I've see companies where it's all desktop and VoIP support. I've seen companies where that have one role (even if they have multiple instances) of "IT guy", and it's a never-ending barrage of different kinds of work covering anything remotely associated with computers, but I've also been in companies with highly specialized roles, including some where a guy sits around waiting, in case some particular thing breaks.

    There is only one unifying factor of all the IT positions I've seen: You will get shit on. People within the company will treat you like a servant. Management will treat you as a cost center with no productive value. When things are working well, the executives will be angry that they're spending money on your department because they assume you're not doing anything. When things aren't working well, the executives will be angry that they're spending money on your department because they assume you're ineffective.

    I have yet to work in a place where IT personnel are treated as respectable hard-working skilled experts.

  60. In india.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this part of world, you dont get to be in it, unless you have double degrees or 5 years of prior experience. And not to say fixing teapots is consumer's business..

  61. Wearing too much cologne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wearing too much cologne and making people sick.

    Also, being lazy, inept cunts.

  62. It's never the network.... by drew_92123 · · Score: 1

    .....it's always the network....

  63. Furniture Mover by Stephenmg · · Score: 1

    Often I've gotten a ticket to help someone hooking up the computer and find out they moved the desk and computer to the other side of the room from the network connections so we have to move everything.

  64. The Roles I've Played: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    * Garbage man. Nobody else is going to clean up, break down and haul all these card board boxes down to the recycling dumpster
    * Plumber. Problem with the sink or water filter? Just like most IT problems all it really takes is having the courage to take a look and see if it is fixable
    * Electrician. Office admin put a toaster, coffee maker and three microwaves on the same kitchen circuit? Time to get out some extension cables and distribute the load.
    * Building Security. I've been called by my boss and asked to goto the office to investigate an alarm, because calling the police would be too expensive. I got there and saw pry marks on the door in our empty office buliding. Luckily the guys were gone.
    * Bouncer. I've also been asked by HR on multiple occasions to be present to walk terminated employees out of the office "In case things get emotional".

  65. Re:If it is plugged in, networked or on the floor. by Stephenmg · · Score: 1

    I've been asked why the room is too hot/cold before.

  66. Mover of floor-level connections to desk level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, I don't care how nice your legs are; I don't go down on all fours during office hours.

    There is a very good reason I put that [surge protector] box there on the tabletop. Because her ass meant nothing to me your Honor. And I have no recollection of that encounter at all.

  67. Software Engineer by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    Dear Software Engineer,

    while the label might indicate that you are only responsible for software and the other layers do not need to concern you, this is not true for real software engineers, as the design and selection of hardware (execution environments, networking etc.) is also part of your job description. You are often not an operator, but you need to think about operation as well. In the first year of your studies, you might learned all the stuff which is relevant for operations on a basic level. Also you are an academic. Therefore, you can learn the rest on the fly. This means you have to adapt to the various needs which are presented to you. You should have been involved in that phone system purchase.

    Please note: Do not become the guy who values the smooth operation of the system higher than the utility to the users. If no one can do something useful with the provided services, they are dysfunctional regardless, you did not have a crash in years.

  68. Plumbing by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Oddest one I've heard is the sysadmin asked to sort out a problem with a urinal.
    I suppose at least that makes it an I pee address, but jokes aside it happened because we are seen as "techie" types so better at dealing with machinery and infrastructure than a receptionist.

    1. Re:Plumbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not unheard of with smaller companies. They have an IT guy who deals with networking infrastructure and deals with the ISP. He also has to run some cable to a new block of cubes over in sales. Then they start throwing on all kinds of infrastructure work on top of it. Now he's ordering new light bulbs, and fixing the toilets because he's the closest thing the company has to a janitor.

  69. Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    A lot of IT shops that I've been in don't know how to manage obsolete inventory, throw everything into storage closets and run out of space for projects. Cleaning up my immediate work area and the storage closets is usually my first order of business. You can't work efficiently if you're buried in crap.

    1. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "don't know how to manage obsolete inventory"

      That's to your advantage; if they did know, they'd kick your flat bony cyclist's ass to the curb.

    2. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound bitter, bro

    3. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That's to your advantage; if they did know, they'd kick your flat bony cyclist's ass to the curb.

      As a contractor, I get called in to solve problems. Once the job and/or contract is done, my "flat bony cyclist's ass" gets kicked to the curb anyway.

    4. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need for sarcasm quotes; we already know you have nothing like a cyclist's body, your protests notwithstanding.

      "As a contractor, I get called in to solve problems."

      A room full of junk is not one of those problems. 1-800-GOT-JUNK can solve that. Just be careful they don't toss your useless ass into a green bin!

    5. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      1-800-GOT-JUNK can solve that.

      I was unaware that 1-800-GOT-JUNK provided certificate of destruction for hard drives.

    6. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was unaware that 1-800-GOT-JUNK provided certificate of destruction for hard drives."

      Oh and you do? What do you do, eat them and Ziploc your poops?

      PS: certificateS, Mr Content Creator.

    7. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What do you do, eat them and Ziploc your poops?

      Nope. I give the certificates to the client company. If a hard drive that contain sensitive information pops up on eBay, liability shifts from the client company to the recycler.

    8. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have sensitive data on your hard drive that you would like destroyed, you can ask us for a certificate of destruction.

      (source)

      It seems that there's literally an infinite assortment of things you're unaware of, you dimwitted baboon.

    9. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It seems that there's literally an infinite assortment of things you're unaware of, you dimwitted baboon.

      I see no mention on the website that they provide certificates of destruction for hard drives. They also charge for removal instead of paying for surplus electronics.

    10. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he's keenly aware of the twenty clicks his website got yesterday. And how that will monetize to millions of dollars when he retires.

    11. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But he's keenly aware of the twenty clicks his website got yesterday.

      My signature link can be tracked in the bitly app. I'll have to check the server logs to find out how many clicks I got from the regular link that the 14-year-old wankers reposted over the weekend.

      And how that will monetize to millions of dollars when he retires.

      The 14-year-old wankers also reposted my affiliate links over the weekend as well. The numbers this morning are awesome!

    12. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.1800gotjunk.com/us_en/what-we-take/computer_recycling

      If you have sensitive data on your hard drive that you would like destroyed, you can ask us for a certificate of destruction.

      You need glasses, Tubb-o? Lenscrafters doesn't come in pumpkin size?

      PS: Were you in North Carolina this weekend?

    13. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      PS: Were you in North Carolina this weekend?

      That was your mother.

    14. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking blind? I literally quoted from the page I linked, from 1800gotjunk.com, where they offer to provide a certificate of destruction for hard drives if you require one.

      Jesus christ, I QUOTED THE PARAGRAPH. If you don't believe me, click the link, ctrl-f, type "certificate of destruction", and voila - there's the same sentence I quoted for you.

      You are absolutely the stupidest person I've ever interacted with on this site. I see now why you have such a devoted following of hecklers.

    15. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also charge for removal instead of paying for surplus electronics.

      As opposed to paying a contractor's hourly rate as he dawdles through weeks of "tidying" a closet? I'm betting 1-800-got-junk is a lot more time & money efficient when you want to get rid of a bunch of old hardware. You pay them to come cart everything away, and you pay your IT contractors to do their fucking jobs.

      Everybody wins. Maybe you should go work for 1-800-got-junk, creimer. It seems like that sort of work is to your liking.

    16. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I QUOTED THE PARAGRAPH

      You linked to the page. You didn't quote from the page. Or did you mess up the quotation tags and forgot to hit preview?

      You are absolutely the stupidest person I've ever interacted with on this site.

      Says the person who can't quote.

    17. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to paying a contractor's hourly rate as he dawdles through weeks of "tidying" a closet?

      I only pulled out six pallets of surplus equipment for the recycler.

    18. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote EXACTLY the following:

      If you have sensitive data on your hard drive that you would like destroyed, you can ask us for a certificate of destruction.

      (source [1800gotjunk.com])

      It seems that there's literally an infinite assortment of things you're unaware of, you dimwitted baboon.

      The first line, which was blockquote'd in my original reply, is LITERALLY cut & pasted from the page I linked to.

      You are fucking blind, stupid, or brain damaged. I'm betting it's the second.

      Says the person who can't quote.

      Try again, you tub of mongolard.

    19. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You are fucking blind, stupid, or brain damaged. I'm betting it's the second.

      You need to take responsibility for the fact that you don't know how to quote or quote tags.

    20. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The numbers this morning are awesome!

      Yeah? Sort of like how you weighed yourself for ten years and you never noticed the *thunking* sound of the poor human-rated scale??? Any number is "awesome" if you ignore what it really means, you fuckwit.

      Maybe I should mail you a talking scale, you know, the kind that says "Hey! Hey! One at a time!"

      The 14-year-old wankers

      You seem awfully preoccupied with 14 year olds. Anything the FBI should know about?? You know, single middle-aged men living in closets with a collection of manga may be very interesting ...

    21. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Sort of like how you weighed yourself for ten years and you never noticed the *thunking* sound of the poor human-rated scale???

      The gym scales stopped thunking three months ago. I got a bathroom scale that maxed out at 400 pounds. Two-and-a-half months ago, I weighed 370. This morning I weighed 360.

      Maybe I should mail you a talking scale, you know, the kind that says "Hey! Hey! One at a time!"

      I got the non-Bluetooth version of my bathroom scale. No app screaming, "Oh, God, not again!"

      Anything the FBI should know about??

      These 14-year-old wankers are "men" in their 40's, make $200K per year in IT, own homes and have families, and love Russian dicks.

    22. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only pulled out six pallets of surplus equipment for the recycler.

      And I bet the guys from 1800gotjunk could have done it faster, and for a total lower cost, than you did. Good show, champ.

    23. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And I bet the guys from 1800gotjunk could have done it faster, and for a total lower cost, than you did.

      Except the recycler paid $50 per pallet. Made out like a bandit when one pallet had 100+ old but still current laptops. All of those went up on eBay for $100 each.

    24. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in 2 months you've lost 10 pounds, on a diet of cliff and power bars.

      Way to go.

      You write the jokes for us. Keep em coming please.

    25. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So in 2 months you've lost 10 pounds, on a diet of cliff and power bars.

      Don't forget 1,500 calories per day.

      You write the jokes for us. Keep em coming please.

      What jokes?

    26. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back and re-read, chump.

      Nothing wrong with my quote:

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      I'll wait here for my apology.

    27. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I'll wait here for my apology.

      Oh, I'm sorry. My eyes caught, "you dimwitted baboon," and I thought, "Another 14-year-old wanker."

      Maybe next time be polite?

    28. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the recycler paid $50 per pallet. Made out like a bandit when one pallet had 100+ old but still current laptops. All of those went up on eBay for $100 each.

      So the recycler paid your employer $300 for 6 pallets of old equipment? And how long did your employer spend $15 an hour paying your hourly rate while you jerked it in the closet, instead of doing the actual work you were being paid for? If you spent 20 hours on this cleanup - and it's an easy bet that you did, given that you talk about how you spent "weeks" doing this cleanup - then the entire effort COST your employer money - they paid you more money to do this work than they recouped from the recycler. Instead, they could have spent a few hundred on a junk removal service to cart it all away, and paid you to do your fucking job.

    29. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And how long did your employer spend $15 an hour paying your hourly rate while you jerked it in the closet, instead of doing the actual work you were being paid for?

      I was being paid $20 per hour at the time. I cleaned up the 600-sqft closet in between tickets over a six week period (~8 hours). When it was completely empty, I called facilities to come in to wax the floor.

    30. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What jokes? "

      You never-ending embellishments to your anecdotes, for example. Then there's your entire life too.

    31. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You never-ending embellishments to your anecdotes, for example.

      What embellishments?

      Then there's your entire life too.

      We haven't touched upon my life yet.

    32. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What embellishments?"

      ...but I did it in my spare time! But the recycler paid 50$ for the pallet! But they sold the laptops for a 100$ each! I know because they told me! But then I called maintenance and had them polish the floor! As a contractor, I can do that!

      etc.. etc... etc..

      Every time we point out an improbable outcome, in you come with yet ANOTHER unlikely scenario, that you somehow never told us before! You're one-upping yourself, and it's fascinating.

      "We haven't touched upon my life yet."

      Good grief, you're an open book. Your past is online, and your present is quite pathetic.

    33. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As a contractor, I can do that!

      As a contractor who was brought in to solve problems, why wouldn't I have the authority to solve problems?

      Every time we point out an improbable outcome, in you come with yet ANOTHER unlikely scenario, that you somehow never told us before!

      You're the kind of person who complain to God that the Book of Genesis was lacking in details and then bitches when God tells you the details that He left out of the book.

      Good grief, you're an open book. Your past is online, and your present is quite pathetic.

      My past is pathetic, my future is bright. But that doesn't work with your narrative does it?

    34. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My past is pathetic, my future is bright. But that doesn't work with your narrative does it?

      Your past is pathetic, and given your trajectory, the future is more of the same. Let's review:

      - Publicly claiming to be studying for the same elusive infosec certs for at least 2 years now;
      - Repeatedly claiming, "that NEXT job, that'll be a 6-figure salary, for sure!"
      - Repeatedly claiming an impossible diet with no associated weight loss;
      - Repeatedly claiming that you are "loaded" with muscle;
      - Repeatedly claiming that you're an "IT miracle worker," and as supporting evidence, you cite cleaning out a storage closet;
      - Repeatedly claiming that you're a "virtual ditch digger," as if it's a badge of honor to be a low-paid grunt after 20 years of industry experience;
      - Repeatedly claiming that your revenue streams are gonna pay off "any day now," then offer paltry, sub-minimum-wage income claims for your 8+ hours a day you spend on those revenue streams;
      - Repeatedly claiming that the future is bright, when your current life is shitty, and there is NO clear path forward into this "bright future" you're dreaming about;

      You are a walking, talking embodiment of the "1) Do something 2) ?????? 3) Profit!" meme, creimer.

    35. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Repeatedly claiming an impossible diet with no associated weight loss;

      I lost ten pounds in the last ten weeks after getting a bathroom scale that maxes out at 400 pounds. Gym scales maxed out at 350 pounds. I went from 370 to 360. Cross that off your list of things to bitch about.

    36. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cross what out? In your current selfie photo you're a fatass. You claim to be on a diet/workout schedule for 5 years. If you're Any weight, you'd be skinny in 5 years. You look about the same - you're huge, poofy, and there is zero visible muscle. It's not working. The amount of weight you do is what highschool freshmen pull at the gym. Your treadmill walking is what a mom with a stroller does. You eat weight-gain bars for skinny people who want to gain weight, and shit like cottage cheese.

      All of that aside - you look like an old loser fatass. That's really all that counts.

    37. Re: Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, you've been eating 1500 calories a day for 10 years now, but it's only in the last 10 weeks that you've been losing weight!

      News flash, bro: if you were eating 1500 calories a day for years, you'd have dropped below 350 LONG ago.

      Again: impossible diet, impossible weight loss claims. The only reason your weight is "suddenly" trending downward is because you're a fucking liar who enjoys inventing stories to rationalize your impossible claims.

      And they *are* impossible, make no mistake about it. There is no way that a human body works as you claim yours does.

    38. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself loser. Polite enough for you?

      There are literally zero 14 year olds on slashdot. They are on reddit. We are mostly 40 and up, make 3-4x your salary, have families and big houses. Our side businesses and investments are things like apartment buildings. Yours is a cup of coffee. You are a cartoon character kid who has decided to come hang with adults. We're not 14, but we are "asshats" - to you, the spammer. Why would anyone be nice to an annoying stupid spammer?

    39. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      We are mostly 40 and up, make 3-4x your salary, have families and big houses.

      And love big Russian dicks.

    40. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing wring with loving the human body. Maybe one day, you'll find someone that might even like yours. But better hurry, heat death is scheduled in a few trillion years.

    41. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pictures were hosted in Russia. How do you know the nationality of the people in the pictures? You know what they do to poofters and virgins in Mother Russia?

    42. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think those dicks were "big"... you've never seen a skinny Brazilian dude. There's this porn star called Ramon, this skinny dude with a cock thicker than your arm, creimer.

      He brings joy to all the trannies in Sao Paolo. You know the ones.

    43. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know the ones.

      Oh god... Dany Evangelista was the first tranny I ever saw in porn, when she was young and newly transitioned... I don't like how much plastic surgery she's had now, but she still gets a direct line to my boner, all the same.

      Also, Patricia Araujo... Sasha Hevyn... Kalena Rios... Juliana Nogueria... Hilda Brazil... Bianca Freire... Carla Novaes... Renata Davila... Bruna Tavares... Angel Star... Sabrina Viena... Melissa Bonekinha... Camila de Castro...

      So many hot brazilian t-girls. Creimer, chime in with your favorites!

    44. Re:Cleaning out storage closets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, we just like spreading russian dick pictures with your face on them on the internet, and in this slashdot account that shows up at the top of a google search for your name.

      Here you go buddy. The tail of the output from that freshly finished script that doesn't exist, so that other guy's script that doesn't exist can replicate it and people googling your name can see it here.

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  70. Blaming the tail not the dog by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Have you actually thought about where those policies came from?
    If a policy is stupid (many are) there is no point blaming the tail and not the dog.

    1. Re:Blaming the tail not the dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot that the tail wags the dog in IT!

  71. Technology Janitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Starting at about the middle of my 17 year career in IT I considered myself a technology janitor, because that's basically what I was. IT does the tech tasks that people with other jobs don't want to take the time to do. Usually this just comes down to reading the manual to figure something out. Also repetitive processes. Kind of a double edged sword.. I always resented "taking out the trash" for people who just didn't feel like doing it, but there was satisfaction in helping people who really needed help. The pay was ok for relatively easy work.

  72. Apparently, one of the lesser-known roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is exposing every detail of your life, spamming Amazon affiliate links, telling us your real name, then getting upset that we know every detail of your life.

    Also, this must be done with bad grammar and during working hours.

  73. I.T. Hell by acoustix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In addition to handling all software and hardware installation and support we are supposedly supposed to know every employee's role so that we can do their jobs for them. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think it's my job to do a vlookup or setup fuel routing solutions. Apparently we don't require our employees to know a damn thing, just push it to the I.T. department to get it done....in a company with 1,000+ employees and an I.T. staff of 5.

    Notice I didn't say that we purchase software. No no....that would mean that we're involved in that process. Instead some other department purchases the software and then notifies IT after the fact. It doesn't matter if it will work with existing hardware/software because the software salesman said it will work just fine. And salesmen never lie.

    Some days I think I would rather flip burgers for a living.

    --
    "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
    1. Re:I.T. Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! I worked for a school district temporarily and I recall having numerous conversations with a group setting up a new school about how they can't use macs for everything because half of our software doesn't run on MacOS. However, since they were the ones making the purchase decision, guess what happened?

      then, surprise surprise! They're calling us wondering why the testing software doesn't work on their shiny new MacOS machines, and what are we going to do about it?

    2. Re:I.T. Hell by acoustix · · Score: 1

      Ha! I worked for a school district temporarily and I recall having numerous conversations with a group setting up a new school about how they can't use macs for everything because half of our software doesn't run on MacOS. However, since they were the ones making the purchase decision, guess what happened?

      then, surprise surprise! They're calling us wondering why the testing software doesn't work on their shiny new MacOS machines, and what are we going to do about it?

      I had a similar experience. My VP of Safety/HR also signed a contract purchasing MacOS computers for employee training.

      HR: We have X number of computers coming next week at all our terminals for employee training.
      Me: Ok. I should have been consulted about this, but we'll try to make it work. What kind of computers?
      HR: iMacs. I think the blue models.
      Me: You're kidding, right?
      HR: No. We're told they're very user friendly.
      Me: That might be true, however our enterprise software won't run on iMacs, or any computer with MacOS.
      HR: What? Why not?
      Me: Well, that's a question you'll have to direct to our software vendor. But that this time they only support running their software on Windows XP/Vista/7. It will not run on any other operating system at this time.
      HR: Well what are we going to do?
      Me: I don't know, but we wouldn't be in this mess if I was consulted at the beginning of the process.

      --
      "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
  74. Other Duties as Assigned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kit furniture construction
    Drywall repairs
    Modeling and 3D printing drone parts
    Putting vinyl coating stickers on ice cream machines
    Minor electrical work
    Office decor
    Etc

  75. Deciphering of bug reports and complaints by Dmitri_Yuriescu · · Score: 1
    This might be more of a realization of the nature of working with IT rather than a realization of additional related tasks, but... Rules:
    • 1 All complaints and error reports are off-topic
    • 2 Initial feedback on development is always: "I want the old shit back"

    So, you have to send time deciphering that. Why are users asking for the old shit? Is something really wrong with the improvement or are they just too stressed out to learn a smarter way to do things? Why are they reporting errors in unrelated systems etc. What exactly is wrong when they ask for a "PowerPoint cable"?

  76. As the lone IT Guy in a small company... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are the shepard. Most users don't know about bogus/infected email messages, trick-to-click, and spam. You are the phone guy. You are the mobile device guy. You are the systems admin and the network admin and the systems engineer and the network engineer. Windows platforms are Hell incarnate. Linux and BSD systems, when properly secured and updated, will save your soul and let you sleep at night. You are the printer administrator and often the printer repair man. You procure hardware and recycle/dispose of the utterly spent 15-year old crap that the company finally decides to let go of. House cabling is your problem, as are wireless access points. Fire suppression, security, and environmental systems are your problem. Any specialty systems are your problem. Tutoring and providing guidance to upper management is your problem, if they'll let you. ...Otherwise other problems will flow from that. You are responsible for instilling a sense of mindfulness into your accounting or book keeping people so that they aren't inclined to wire money to some random bank account without checking with the boss via a different communications channel. Then you need to teach them how to spot bogus email messages. Then you get to tech them how to be skeptical. How to be mindful. How to seek veracity in the crap information pointed at their head all day long. You are the Divine Manipulator of The Threads, whether management understands that or not. Your budget will be incomplete, inadequate, or non-existent. Your hours aren't always "eight to five". If it has a cord or a keyboard it's your problem. And I can't imagine life any other way. Good luck.

  77. Re:If it is plugged in, networked or on the floor. by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Now that's the tough one - with enough people it can be both at the same time!

  78. so many little things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a few I can think of.....

    Trainer (for every piece of software anyone wants to buy or has bought) - This is actually a HUGE part of the job....

    Security System Guru (cameras, wiring, you name it)

    Projector Turner-offer (most meeting rooms are left with the projector on and no one will turn it off. At $400 a bulb, I turned them off throughout the day in passing.)

    I work in manufacturing, and I've often gotten roped into manufacturing projects in areas where they should have had their own engineer do it.

    Receiving clerk for purchases.

    Monitor mover. (that really sucked with CRTs that weighed a ton....now it's not so bad)

    Floor scraper (I has a user leave her tower on the floor for years. The cleaning folks worked around it, even waxing the floor around it. I had to literally kick it to break it off the floor when I was replacing it, and I then had to clean up the mess that was left.)

  79. bofh by toby.toby · · Score: 1

    Many good comments already. Over decades, I've had many positions IT and others. When in an IT / admin position, I've always kept the 'bofh' series in mind; helps with the constant stupid requests. http://bofh.bjash.com/ Hope this helps. :)

  80. ODAA - Other Duties as Assigned by alceryes · · Score: 1

    IT peps regularly have to take on the roles of administering anything that uses electricity. audio/video, security (doors and cameras), telecom, you name it. "If it powers on then the IT guys should automatically be masters at using it, right?" It's hard enough being just the desktop/systems/network engineer, as that job usually ropes in everything from IT purchasing manager, to software engineer, to web dev.

  81. IT - The modern day hat rack by Big+Jim+Taters · · Score: 1

    I've been in "IT" professionally for 11 years now and have held many different jobs. In each one of them tasks like this have always creeped up on me.

    I'm currently in the Telecom area of a large corporation and I need to put on several various hats such as: Project Manager, Data Analysis, Accounting, Sales Engineering, Inside Sales, network troubleshooting, material procurement, vendor management, network designer, financial forecaster, just to name a few. All in the name of "IT"!

  82. YOU ARE SCOTTY! by Zorro · · Score: 1

    No matter what POS the Pointy Haired Bosses buy YOU are expected to make it do what the lying salesman SAID it would do.

    You are Star Trek Scotty, you are expected to work miracles.

    1. Re:YOU ARE SCOTTY! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Reverse the polarity on the laptop. That always works.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  83. If it plugs in it your job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Title says it all. If it plugs in to any outlet of any kind or if it runs on electricity then it's your job.

  84. ordering lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finding places at the last minute that will deliver lunch to executive meetings. If they don't deliver, then picking it up myself. :-(

  85. Does it have a light on it? by DeathAndTaxes · · Score: 1

    At a previous job, we used to joke (only half-heartedly) that if something had a light on it, it was obviously IT's responsibility. Hmmm, the coffee isn't has hot as it used to be. Oh, the coffee-maker has a light on the power switch! Open a ticket and call IT!

  86. license management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who has installed what and when the license expires

  87. If you love learning stuff, you'll be alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lesser known IT roles I've seen over the years include:

    - Coffee maker fixer and clean up crew
    - Pest control (yes, I did throw away a mouse - the furry kind)
    - Counselor
    - Author
    - Investigator
    - Sales and marketing

    And every once in a while I get to fix a computer or do some actual network design. Seriously though, if you enjoy the process of learning regardless of its relevance to your actual on paper job functions, you can really enjoy the job. If not, you can get cynical real quick.

  88. On the Things You'll Do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an IT employee for (ahem) many years I've done the following not usually associated with programming:
    1. Mopped the computer room floor
    2. Driven a U-Haul 700 miles to retrieve a computer a client didn't want to pay for (it was a large computer)
    3. Driven around the city looking for an office building to move the company to
    4. Cut up a tree that had fallen on our backup power generator
    5. Surfed ebay for spare computer parts for an obsolete computer
    6. Knocked down a wall to create room for a new computer
    7. Interviewed and hired an HR Manager, receptionist, secretary, etc
    8. Built a computer from spare parts so two Field Service reps could work in parallel on different hardware problems :)
    9. Built a hardware solution to a software problem on the fly at a customers site
    ---- It's all part of the fun.

  89. Shooting nekkid chix by dasgoober · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was the web/IT guy for an adult photography company. This company used to take test poloroids of in-coming models, to shop them around to the publishers, to determine if any of the publishers wanted the model to be featured in a layout. Now comes the advent of the digital camera, which would allow these test shots to be disseminated faster, and with less complications. So, being the IT guy, I'm tasked with working the digital camera, taking pictures of naked women in various poses, which jump-started a sideline business of being a nude (the girls, not me) photographer.
    And fueling a major portion of my sex life.

  90. Other roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tip of the iceberg my friend...

    You also get to deploy spyware, enforce useless security policies, implement latest IT fads, and get blamed for anything and everything that goes wrong with the network whether or not its your fault. Everyone else loves to complain about the IT department. Just keep in mind that software developers need admin rights to their machines to install useful software tools which you haven't approved yet, otherwise things can get really unproductive. Try to be as invisible as possible, and you'll do fine.

  91. Pfft, easy answer by sootman · · Score: 1

    "What are the lesser-known roles of the IT department?"

    Easy. If it runs on electricity and it isn't a lightbulb, toaster, microwave, or HVAC, it's IT.

    Wait, let me roll that back -- I did have to tell someone once how the microwave works.

    --
    Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
  92. even a printer tech deals with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a printer tech and not only am I supposed to trouble shoot and fix printer issues, I also have to deal with network and fax issues with out access to the network or data closest. I also have to trouble shoot the pc side with applications and print drivers even though I'm not aloud to touch a end users pc at all.

    it's bs but you do what ya can and move on.

  93. Security as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of my first jobs was doing tech support in a call center environment.
    My then director instructed me that we we're also responsible for security, and had to change the numeric codes of the lock of the doors that separated the production room from the administration. The lock was mechanical mind you, nothing electrical. We did this monthly... but changed admin passwords only when a sysadmin was sacked or left :S

  94. Too many to list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -Electrician (The never ending battle over who is responsible for power strips)
    -Carpenter (Wouldn't it be great if the company hire someone to assemble the new cubicle walls?)
    -Network Administrator (Network Administrator =/= Systems Administrator, completely different areas of expertise)
    -Tour Guide (Oh sure, I'll meet the Sales client at the door and escort them to the other building)
    -Interpreter (when you're the only one who speaks a foreign language, Japanese used to be in demand, now Chinese is in hot demand)
    -Psychiatrist (Please do tell me all about your divorce, marital strife, kids in jail...)
    -Foreman (because who else is best to tell a construction crew what to do then the IT Guy)
    -Security Officer (someone has to set those alarms)
    -Babysitter (for those times when AT&T wants to be on premises after midnight)
    -Mailroom (don't you love filling out International mail slips?)
    -Suicide Prevention Hotline (had a guy once telling me all about how much booze he drank and what he was planning on doing with his gun)
    -Tutor ("I don't know how to do X/Y/Z in Excel and I'll get fired if I don't figure this out", try Googling it bitch)
    -Power Button Pusher (Is it turned on, because guess what, the first thing I'm going to do when I get to your desk is check if the power is turned on)

  95. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " Desktops, servers, printers, switches, routers, email, internet, database, file/print/DNS/DHCP, along with SPAM filters, firewalls, IDS/IPS, A/V and anti-malware to help protect it all. And we haven't even touched virtualization or voice/chat services yet. Think you're gonna hire one IT person to do it all, or even find someone who holds a competent level of knowledge?" ...Yes? At least for a small-medium org that isn't in the IT sector itself. I do all those things except voice/chat, and also some development work. By the way, you forgot backup and disaster recovery planning. There is a market for people who are competent generalists. Not necessarily experts in any given niche, but with a well-rounded understanding a many different technologies, how they fit together, and how they fit into the organization.

  96. Re: If you thought enterprise IT was just softwar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    **Imagines Slash standing outside of a church with a cig in his mouth doing a mean guitar solo... from the November rain music video.

    In the cold November rainnnnnnnn!!!

    - mikal

  97. Devs are NOT sysadmins by Valgar · · Score: 2

    "What fresh hell has this software engineer gotten themselves into? Leave your best answers in the comments. What are the lesser-known roles of the IT department? "

    Software engineers should NOT be sysadmins. Full stop.

  98. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does being a Linux guy, a subset of just one item on that list makes someone competent for literally everything else on that list? The medical analogy would to assume since someone is very good with joint replacement surgeries they can also do everything else from reception, EMT, GP, and chemo to being on the ethics committee and HIPAA compliance board.

    What Linux guy do you know that can handle Business Continuity Planning?

    If there is one, he is in the wrong field and can make three times as much writing BCPs instead of chasing down the latest package dependencies.

    Even I can handle all that

    Ahh, so this has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with ego. Again, if what you said was true, you would not be a software guy. Why would you be when you can make 300 an hour writing plans?

  99. Re:You have more weird jobs at smaller companies.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked in a similar situation for a while where the workplace was really in the business owner's house, fortunately it was only temporary until we were able to move back into the old office but still it made me declare that I would only work for "real" companies that have actual office space from then on. When he announced that he was planning on doing it again as he was building an office area into his new house I handed in my notice.

  100. Other roles? Every danmed thing by buss_error · · Score: 1

    I worked as a contractor to a food service bakery. I kid you not, the operator on a snack cake line was using his bare hand to dip into batter to portion it out to the batter. I came up with a pneumatic system that they used until they closed to shoot batter 8 at a time into the pans. No more hands.

    Then I was doing a gig in a quarry that cut countertops. The automatic saw was breaking about 1/3 of the slabs it was cutting. I found some one had replaced the braided pipes with normal rubber hose. Put back the braided pipe, re-installed the hydrolic shock absorber thingie, no more problem.

    Worked a gig at an amusement park. Found that the ticket booth and parking lot attendants were stealing. Drew up proposal to count cars in to the parking lot, and changed outside sales tickets to be serialized. (The attendants would swipe the tickets from stores in the area, then when someone paid cash, take the money, and use the stolen ticket and pocket the cash.)

    Worked a gig for a point of sale system. Company was getting sued because of lost inventory. Found out the chasheirs were zeroing out the system, re-entering half the sales. Pointed out the reports had a "Z" serial number, and that many were missing. Fault was in audit control, not software. EG: If the Z serial number skipped, the problem was someone zeroed out the register then didn't report it.)

    Or the OEM that delivered a few thousand systems where the case was bent.

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  101. Anything that requires organized thought/execution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over the last 20 years in IT, at different times and for different employers - I have been responsible for almost everything you can imagine in a company or non-profit organization that requires some form of organized thought, planned, or methodical execution.

    I have researched, purchased, and serviced company vehicles.
    I have built furniture and done construction work on office spaces.
    I have written HR policy that lightly touches on technology.
    I have made legal actions for the corporation.
    I have managed entire office moves (not just the technology part).
    and so... so much more...

    It depends on the size and nature of the company... I've worked at everything from global aerospace defense to a 15-person local non-profit. It's understandable in a smaller company that you'd need to stretch your skills into other areas like facilities, but you'd be surprised how much of this kind of thing still lands on you even at the 200-300 person software company.

    Basically when you're an IT Manager/Director/Senior Admin or whatever your title is - they honestly think that you're smarter than they are in nearly every way but that you're happy to be subjugated to whatever work they send your way because they are too tired/lazy/overworked/busy/dumb to do it.

    In my case, that's actually kind-of true (I'm definitely NOT smarter than everyone else, but I AM more willing to do things)... If you want to pay me the salary you pay me, that I agreed to be paid, to put my hands under the hood of the company mini-van and change the alternator... I'll probably say yes to that as long as the conditions around doing it are reasonable. I'm naturally very ADD and multi-tasking a wide variety of topics actually feels very good.

  102. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Actually, depending on what OS you are running, especially *nix, YES! I would expect that one IT guy can handle everything and I hire as many as I need to cover the size of my organization.

    Even I can handle all that, and I'm basically a software guy.

    I've been in IT for over 25 years now. I'm not trying to assume your specific capabilities, but when I hear someone tell me they can handle all that, it usually means I'm talking to someone who knows just enough to be dangerous. Yes, I've gained a considerable amount of experience with everything I've mentioned here and more. I am also accepting of the fact that systems have reached a level of complexity today that no longer sustain the one-man-band argument when it comes to IT, and I would never claim I could do it all anymore.

    Maintaining proficiency in IT security alone can create enough work to sustain a full-time position and career, as the threats are that fast-paced and ever-changing. Perhaps the reason we have so many security breaches and insecure systems these days is because companies still assume they can hire one person to handle security who also tries to handle everything else in IT. The reality is most IT "gurus" are capable of maintaining everything just good enough to keep it working, which does not always mean it's working well or mitigating risk sufficiently.

    As I said before, compare it to the medical field. If your family needed to have a baby delivered, a brain tumor removed, and the dog needed to be neutered, imagine your response if your family doctor claimed, "Oh yeah, I can handle all that."

    BTW, you forgot the most important part: backups.

    An inherent part of maintaining servers, but not the most important part. The most important part when it comes to managing IT is respecting the level of proficiency specialists need to maintain in order to manage systems properly, and hire enough staff to mitigate risk in order to sustain business, which is one of the primary missions of IT.

  103. Grammar Police Arrest EditorDavid; Jail Certain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The secondary subject "this software engineer" is singular, not plural. Therefore, the correct self-referential pronoun is "himself", not "themselves".

    "What fresh hell has this software engineer gotten himself into?" There, FTFY.

    EditorDavid, as you gain more experience using crayons, please make sure you color between the lines.

    Slashdot, it's Ok to hire editors who have graduated from junior high school.

    Seriously though, what happened to this website? I used to seriously regret my failure to create an account with a 5 or 6 digit user ID when I first started reading Slashdot twenty years ago. These days, not so much.

    Recaptcha: "injured". I entered "themselves" but it didn't work there, either. I think that's a double-whammy for EditorDavid. He got spanked by his own readers and his own software.

  104. User is a four letter word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a good thing that most users do not need to think about breathing because if they had to, we'd be out of a job.

  105. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In medicine there is such a thing as a General Practitioner. In fact it's a speciality!

  106. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by geekmux · · Score: 2

    " Desktops, servers, printers, switches, routers, email, internet, database, file/print/DNS/DHCP, along with SPAM filters, firewalls, IDS/IPS, A/V and anti-malware to help protect it all. And we haven't even touched virtualization or voice/chat services yet. Think you're gonna hire one IT person to do it all, or even find someone who holds a competent level of knowledge?" ...Yes? At least for a small-medium org that isn't in the IT sector itself. I do all those things except voice/chat, and also some development work. By the way, you forgot backup and disaster recovery planning. There is a market for people who are competent generalists. Not necessarily experts in any given niche, but with a well-rounded understanding a many different technologies, how they fit together, and how they fit into the organization.

    Ever wonder why we hear of so many insecure systems and security breaches happening across many different levels of business? It likely has something to do with the expired mentality that a one-man-band can maintain that level of complexity with an adequate level of proficiency.

    Aside from putting all of it in the proverbial cloud (which has also been proven to be rather horrible when it comes to maintaining security), the level of complexity surrounding the average IT environment these days tends to demand compartmentalized staffing. In the last 25 years, I can count in one hand the number of people I would consider IT "gurus", which none of them would claim they could sustain it all today. The rest I've met who have some jack-of-all-trades experience tend to know just enough to be dangerous.

    How much IT training do you think will need to be funded? It ain't cheap, and most organizations too cheap or too small to hire enough IT staff aren't going to be very accepting to budgeting 6-10 weeks of training per year, which is likely what would be needed to sustain proficiency as an IT "generalist".

    When it comes to IT security alone, "well-rounded" doesn't cut it anymore, which reinforces my first point. The environment is fast-paced and ever-changing, and there's a valid reason I compared it to the medical industry who also recognizes compartmentalization is necessary to sustain proficiency due to complexity.

  107. If it plugs into the wall.. by deadcrow · · Score: 1

    If it plugs into the wall I support it.

    One of the oldest truths in IT. Welcome to the fold my son.

    --
    I'm just "this guy", you know?
  108. IT in charge of the beer fridge by ellbee · · Score: 1

    The best thing about IT in the days of raised floor machine rooms was if you kept Guiness down there it was always the perfect temperature and you were quite popular with other departments.

    --

    You can't fight in here - this is the war room!

    1. Re:IT in charge of the beer fridge by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the unused slots for certain blades and hyperconverged hosts are perfect for stacking beer cans or bottles. what could go wrong?

  109. You are God! by crbeach · · Score: 1

    As the system administrator, you are God and your minions know it. If anyone brings in food to the office, you get first dibs. But, when things go wrong ... I was fortunate enough to be the SA in a Unix (Solaris) development shop, so when they start asking about how to fix their home computers, I would just tell them to buy a real operating system, I don't do windows. Do your best to make your systems idiot proof, but there will always be a better idiot, and you'll get the job of fixing, if not the blame for their problems. Be prepared to explain to management how the idiot got past your safe guards.

  110. Re:IT is not simple anymore. Staff appropriately. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the reason we have so many security breaches and insecure systems these days is because companies still assume they can hire one person to handle security who also tries to handle everything else in IT.
    No, we have that because especially companies like MS lowered the bar so low.
    99% of the security problems we now have are either bugs (most of the time avoidable) or completely idiotic decisions that *.doc attachments sent via email can have macros that get executed automatically when opened or that you can hide the extension of files (which works in mail programs, too) and so a Your-Bill.pdf is in fact a Your-Bill.pdf.exe and so on.

    Security problems don't come from bugs in firewalls ... those are probably the most easiest things to get air tight.

    Security problems come 99% from MS wanting more money for less effort and having super brain dead ideas.

    All the standard attack vectors on a MS system don't work on a Mac: because they simply are not there. Same for Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX etc.

    And to graps that you don't need a PhD in "computer sabotage" (in case you get the reference)

    So the first thing to do if you want/need a secure environment is to get rid of that Virus called MS Windows ...

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  111. a list by artownz · · Score: 1

    My list goes like this: - Telecom - Information Security - Human resources - Systems administrator - Network administrator - Network cabling - Database administrator - Systems analyst - Windows developer - Android developer - Apple developer - Web developer - Helpdesk for in-house developed programs and everything else - Graphics designer - In-site hardware maintenance and repair (PCs, tablets, phones, scanners and printers/mfp) - CCTV installer/administrator - RFID antennas install/configure - Telephone and cellphone plans management - New hardware and software technologies investigation - Social media manager - Scale calibrator - Microwave configuration - Professional spider killer - Landscaper - Charisma and good vibes enabler - Sex-ed

  112. Re:I.T. Hell, burgers by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

    > Some days I think I would rather flip burgers for a living.

    Right ? Wouldn't that be relaxing.
    Reminds me of "office space".

  113. Never offer more knowledge than you have to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Working in IT you should never admit to knowing any more than the job requires, once you fix those phones once you will be known as the "phone guy". If they want a piece of badly made hardware or software supported they either need to pay the supplier more or pay you more, it seems petty but it all adds up until one day you realise the job you are in isn't the one you accepted, and if you leave the company could be royally screwed. It won't be your fault of course, but they will still lumber you with the blame.

  114. Someone to vent at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found that users will sometimes vent at me...not personally, but since I'm there, and they're frustrated, I'm often the recipient of that frustration.
    I've learned to not take it personally, but to listen to them and their concerns (real and imagined).
    Once they've finished and calmed down, they're often far more receptive and cooperative in helping to resolve issues.
    Most of the time, just having someone actually listen makes a world of difference in future interactions in a positive way.

  115. Mordac? by tmjva · · Score: 1

    The preventer of information systems!

    --
    Tracy Johnson
    Old fashioned text games hosted below:
    http://empire.openmpe.com/
    BT
  116. additional duties as assigned: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything that plugs in or out, turn on or off, winds up or down, does or does not roll back and forth...

  117. In the support team by proxy! by von+Stalhein · · Score: 1

    Being cool. I've had admin rights on my own machines at work for years. By demonstration I've shown them that I won't be a nuisance and can be left alone to set up my PC. I'm that trusted that they've given me a brand new OS to live test before they roll it out to the whole company. Its called Windows ME.

  118. Beware of Job Creep by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    Assuming this is a small business, everything related to computers---or electronics in general---will end up in your lap. (Assumption is based on the size of your conference phone order.)

    You either need to willing to accept the responsibility or become adept at deflection. E.g., "I don't really know anything about that projector, let me see if I can google the manufacturer for you." Give them the number and walk away. Be polite and appear helpful, but make them do the work.

    If you do the work once, you will do it forever---or until they hire a junior admin, which is likely the same time frame.

    Only take on things that are in line with your interests. You can either grow into your role as the organization evolves, or you can expand your resume to find more suitable employment.

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    According to the latest ruleset, this post should be modded as Vorpal Flamebait +5.
  119. IT? Hell no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I regularly get asked to resolve issues with gas fired central heating boilers, leaky taps... IT~=it~=anything

  120. God of Lightning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was once put in charge of lightning.

    Lightning took out the service provider's sub-station for our phones and internet, at a smaller company where I was the only IT. It took until that night for the service provider to get us running again.

    The following day we learned that the same storm also took out one of our T1 cards - one for internet, one for phone. The service provider promised us we would have a replacement card by noon the following day. In the interim we used our remaining card for the internet and moved it over for outgoing calls. My office was upstairs, the phone closet was downstairs - lots of exercise that day.

    After the replacement card arrived and was installed I was hauled into the owners office and informed by the owner of the company and the head of HR that the next time a lightning strike damaged the sub-station I would be fired - no questions asked.

    --------------------
    I was there for several years before that. They did manufacturing. I:
    Repaired printers
    Rebuilt printers (no joke, cannibalized two to repair three others)
    Everything regarding the PCs support/troubleshooting/upgrades(piece-mil and complete)/assignment/placement/configuration/inventory/etc.
    Programming - nothing too intense. (Mostly AutoLiSP and vba)
    Supported all software, in all ways Updates/repair/(re)install/support/troubleshooting/purchases/modifications (mostly AutoCAD - so AutoLiSP, Custom toolbars, etc.)
    Phone support - add/remove/troubleshoot/program
    Networking - all
    Any corporate Cell phones, any manufacturer (Blackberry, Motorola, Apple, whatever)
    All servers (SBS, Nas, two custom built, custom built firewall)
    Electric sign (Support, create/deploy graphics/animation, troubleshoot)
    In house IT support for the computer related portions of a Plasma Table, Three Roll Formers, a Press Break and a Trim Break.

    And, let's not forget, lightning.

  121. Scooping snow out of a satellite dish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ended up on a 10 foot A-frame ladder with a long handled broom scooping snow out of a 6 meter satellite dish...