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Free Movement of EU Citizens To Britain Will End in 2019 (standard.co.uk)
Free movement of EU citizens to Britain will end when the country leaves the EU in March 2019, Theresa May's spokesman said Monday, moving to contain a Cabinet row over immigration after Brexit. From a report: Downing Street (headquarters of the government of the United Kingdom) said on Monday it was "wrong" to suggest free movement would "continue as it is now" once Britain leaves the EU. It comes following days of confusion and rumours of infighting between Cabinet colleagues over the crucial issue of immigration after Brexit.
British, but got an Irish passport... Still free to travel and work in europe
This prediction has been made in my home city, Birmingham, since I was born and it has never come to fruition, perhaps get your news from places other than the EDL, National Front or UKIP.
Proof this prediction happened long ago?
The huge increase of Muslim temples tells the real story, whatever people theorized back then, it's happening now.
It was going to end on Friday. Then it wasn't. Now it is again. Anyone who responds to anything coming out of Downing Street at the moment with anything other than resigned bemusement is far too trusting. The government is as split as the country was and I'll be astonished if both major parties manage to survive Brexit. Worth bearing in mind that the man who holds the purse strings, Phillip Hammond, is not a fan.
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Query whether Theresa May will still be PM in 2019...
"Whaddya mean I need a visa?! I'm British!!"
Yo no comprendo, visa per favor.
Exactly. Brexiteers either haven't figured this out or are in denials. Want to go to Spain? You'll need a visa. France? Visa. Ireland? Well, if you are travelling overland a visa and an amoured car.
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How did the parent comment get modded to 5, Informative?! Mosques are Muslim temples.
Did you see the idiot Conservative MEP who suggested the solution was simply to have a hard border between the whole British Isles and the EU.
Yeah, that'll go down splendidly.
Next week they will say something different. The only thing that this current UK government has been consistent about is pissing into the wind.
The British joined the EU with special conditions because their economy was in really bad shape. And now they want to leave to improve their economic position? This is really tragic. They seem to have decided that fucking themselves with a wire-brush is a really good idea. And now their moron-in-chief also wants a "hard" exit in addition? Well, we will miss you in the 1st world, that's for sure. And I am well aware that about half of you are _not_ terminally stupid. Makes it even more tragic.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
4.4% of the population of the United Kingdom is Muslims. That would mean the birth rate of British Muslim women of childbearing age over the next 10 years would have to be astronomical.
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I don't any longer feel for contributing to their economy when they make it difficult to get in.
My Pension date will be January 2018 so I can quit their new society of scare for and fear of their neighbours before it becomes problematic.
Not that I believe they will impose great barriers to EU citizen, even in the Maggie Thatcher days there were no real issues getting in.
The Bexiteers say they want to improve their standards of living by removing the EU rules and workers, well let me say there isn't a single employer in the UK that would hire an EU worker if he couldn't make money that way. Or more money than by employing a British national.
The underlying issue of the Brexit campaign is the same as Trumps Make America Great Again, the portion of the population that has a lack of Self-respect. For some reason they feel (in their own country!) inferior to their foreign born fellow citizen.
Something that has been instilled in parts of the British people by years of reading the tabloids that were full of nonsensical stories about crooked cucumbers and outsiders living of the meagre UK benefits. And other elements of the media that have never bothered much to set right these ridiculous misconceptions.
The bottom line is I feel sorry for the enlightened Brits and the Europeans that had a good commercial relation with them.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
That the EU became much more than a "Trade Union" to help free trade between nations and became a supernational government acting well beyond the limits of economics.
I believe you have a very one sided view of who exactly screwed themselves with a wire brush. Numerous countries in the EU are taking issue with the Social policies the EU is trying to force on them.
I wonder why people who promote the EU continuously ignore the first Nation to leave, and what a positive impact it has had on them. Hint: the UK was not first, and probably won't be the last without changes in the EU body pushing social reforms on members..
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Oh bullshit. Before the EU you didn't need visas either. You had to queue up at the border, they looked at your passport and waved you through. There was life before the EU, you know.
Exactly, these are the ones the Brexiteers are complaining about but they have jack shit to do with the EU.
The claim EU regulations make it impossible or difficult to expel them is bull, it is their own British laws that need fixing plus you can never send someone to a country that doesn't want them.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Either scenario, or a combination of the two, would require unbelievably high birth rates and levels of emigration that only happen in countries with civil wars or mass famines.
In other words, no, Britain is not going to be majority Muslim in 10 years. To believe so requires such an intense degree of stupidity that it's difficult to imagine how one would have the cognitive function sufficient to operate a keyboard... or a flush toilet.
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It all depends on whether the British keep dragging their feet with regard to the exit "deal". If there is no agreement or it doesn't include a visa waiver treaty with the EU, British people will need visa. US citizens don't need one because of the bilateral visa waiver program.
They're only at 4% after 7 decades of immigration so they'd better get a move on
That was the intent, and the intent was achieved. It's a government of the elites constraining the sovereignty of the plebs. As a result, it is doomed to failure. The peoples constituting it will reject the loss of sovereignty eventually, based upon its lack of a dominating military force. The willy-nilly accession of nations which really weren't comparable to the original EEC members also did them no favors.
It seemed unstoppable as long as the economic forces constrained politics. Then 2008 happened, and that false prosperity was shown to be a lie.
Something akin to true federalism would have been a wiser choice, but no one involved in its creation wanted that kind of weak government. It's too late now to change course. You'd need another WWII type event to set the stage, which is unlikely to happen again in a useful way for pan-Europe enthusiasts.
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Why do you think it will be the same afterwards? The EU won't just give it to us, it will be part of the negotiations which at the moment don't seem to be going too well.
Demographic change can happen much quicker than one expects.
Look at Hamtramck, Michigan and Dearborn, Michigan for examples of this happening recently.
Even as late as the 1970s, the residents of Hamtramck were nearly all (90%) from Poland, or of Polish descent. But by 2000, Poles made up only about 10% of the population. By 2015 it had the first majority Muslim city council in the US.
Dearborn is similar. Once mainly populated by people of European origin or descent, as of 2010 over 40% of its population was of Arab ancestry, with many of them practicing Islam.
A city like Birmingham is moderately large, so it may take longer to see it happen. But when you factor in birth rate differentials, immigration rates, emigration rates, and death rates, a non-Muslim city could easily become a Muslim-majority city within two or three generations.
Depending on how long you live, there's a good chance you'll experience it later in your life, even if you don't see it today. Your children (or hypothetical ones, if you're impotent) will experience it.
Look, you can't keep your religion alive unless you convince everyone there is a war against it. It's either that or talking about the end times.
Is this even possible? How many eggs do they lay during a single breeding cycle? Google seems to be lacking specifics on that.
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Really, all of those would need a visa? I'm from the US, I've been to most of those countries and I've never needed a visa. And the US isn't part of the EU. We've just had to go through customs.
By default, yes.
The UK has very few visa waiver agreements in place, mostly relying on the EU agreements.
On leaving the EU, it's not likely we will have any visa waiver agreements in place with our former partners, and many of our non-EU agreements may well also lapse.
Imagine if your state ceded from the union. Would you still have visa-free travel? No -- it would have to be negotiated.
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Visa waiver programmes are not guaranteed.
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Most Muslims in the UK come from the Commonwealth.
With very little paper work they receive an UK resident permit, even citizenship and also a passport if they want.
The EU has absolutely nothing to do with the UK's perceived "Muslim problem".
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Are Northern Irish now less hostile towards being governed by a Catholic Dublin?
Or people can convert to Islam.
Islam is a religion that accepts conversion.
Do you think it's probable that there would be tens of millions of converts to Islam?
Or to put this another way, just how far you willing to go down Stupid Street to justify what is clearly an absurd, even idiotic claim?
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The top 10 male baby names in 2017 for the UK: http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/07/...
Mohammed or any of the combinations does not even make it to the top 100
And so does Christianity and atheism btw.
Christian Caliphate. Now you're the ignorant one.
..." Second there is Gelasius' Two Swords theory.
First in Christianity there are scriptural distinctions between church and state: "Render onto Caesar that which is Caesars
Except in very few places for very short times there were always secular and ecumenical leaders - and if you knew your history you would now that there was violence at times between the two.
The Caliphate is something that has NEVER existed in Christianity. (And if you bring up the Papacy you obviously have very limited knowledge of Western Civilization and how it was structured.)
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
And where to do you want to deport them?
The great majority of these countries refuse entry to those that don't want. (or not have a relevant passport, birth certificate etc.)
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
You think it sounds good? To me it sounds like Civil War.
Only a f**king idiot thinks this is a good idea or would troll about it. 20 years ago it may have been laughably improbable.
Today. Unfortunately it looks like a distinct possibility.
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Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
One way only, the other way, out of Islam, is strictly haram/ haloof, forbidden by the sharia.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Exactly. Brexiteers either haven't figured this out or are in denials. Want to go to Spain? You'll need a visa. France? Visa. Ireland? Well, if you are travelling overland a visa and an amoured car.
In theory they don't need to issue visas at all and the English channel is a better wall than Trump could ever make. In practice this is just the kind of scare-mongering that led to the Brexit vote, trying to act like the UK has no choice in the matter or that all hell would rain down on them if they did. I just checked here in Norway and I can go to 127 countries around the world without a visa, at least for vacations shorter than a month. It's a standard courtesy offered by most friendly nations and all that want to encourage tourism.
If the EU refused this to the UK, their neighbor and former union member it would have all the telltale marks of a vindictive divorce that would cast a very long and dark shadow over the EU. While it is the UK that wanted to part ways it's not like they started a war or anything, despite the political positioning I doubt the EU will act like the psycho ex. Obviously the UK won't get to pick and choose the parts of the EU agreement they liked, but to think that the EU wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire is nonsense.
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Democratic reform in the EU has so far primarily been blocked by the UK. What are you smoking?
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At present, it's totally unknown what the post-exit setup will be. British citizens can currently travel without a visa to many countries (more than almost any other, IIRC), but whether that's because the UK is part of the EU or not varies from country to country. Generally speaking, if a country specifically states that *UK* citizens don't need a visa (like the US does) because of arrangements that predate any made by the EU, then that arrangement should continue regardless of whatever terms are agreed between the UK and the EU.
Post Brexit, it's entirely possible that the EU could require that British citizens acquire a visa for visits to the EU (and presumably visa versa since it's almost certainly going to be a quid pro quo arrangement, whichever way it goes), which would probably negate any arrangements that allow them to travel as citizens of the EU as well. That's likely to be deeply unpopular on both sides however; far too many people are used to making impromptu trips between the UK and mainland Europe via Eurostar or to take advantage of special offers by budget airlines, all of which might be too much trouble if a visa is required. Not that being merely deeply unpopular seems to be a major impediment to how things turn out any more, of course.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Have you ever tried flushing a toilet?!
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And apparently name their boy children Asher, the new undercover Muslim name!
Different backgrounds?
If that was it you would be correct?
Rapes. Acid Attacks. Machete attacks. That's different. Being aggressively abusive about your adopted country calling people "Pig Eaters" (This is Germany not England).
You used to have the trope of the "Ugly American." Now the new reality is the Ugly Immigrant
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Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
I see your information is from the tabloids only.
Why do you think these people come to the UK? It's not for fantastic health care, the great housing or transport system, all these things are way better in other NW European countries.
They come because there are contrary to other EU countries very few limits to getting benefits from the bat and the very low minimum wage makes them interesting to employers.
These issues could have easily been fixed at Westminster if it weren't for the total control by Tory supporting cheap-ass employers.
Have a look at the numbers of EU citizen v.s. those from Commonwealth countries that make up the immigrants, the problems you refer to are mainly caused by the latter, not the first.
Also, any erosion of living standards in the UK is only for those in the lower and middle income brackets, an ages old UK classes problem where the Upper Classes are doing just fine.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
And what about atheists? Kill them?
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Around 4.4% of the population said they were Muslim at the last census (2011). Keep in mind that the census tends to inflate the numbers because the people filling it in put their kids down as being religious when they aren't really and stop participating when they grow up.
Anyway, that's up 1.7% since 2001, so in a decade. At that rate, by 2050 a massive 10% of the population will be Muslim. I don't think we have too much to worry about.
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I don't think there's going to be any long-term issue on visitor visas, but it's going to be a massive headache for people wanting to work abroad -- as an English teacher, I've got good reason to be concerned. The specific problem for me and thousands like me is that everyone would prefer teachers from the US, but the hassle of sorting out working visas is more than most schools can be bothered with, so they settle for people from the UK and Ireland. But once teachers from the UK need visas... well, it'll be just as easy to recruit an American, and the students will be happier with that.
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It seems unlikely that freedom of movement will really end. Maybe in the sense that EU nationals will no longer have the right to work in the UK or use UK services as anything other than tourists, and of course the same for UK citizens living in Europe. But politically they won't be able to close that border, and people will move freely across it.
In practice that means that people will be able to bring family members in via the border, for example. It will create a new underclass of immigrants from the EU who don't have visas, can't work, don't have proper access to government services and the NHS, and which are impossible for the government to track and manage.
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Only those non-Muslims that haven't started families need to leave a particular area and it is guaranteed to become majority Muslim.
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N important difference, when leaving Christianity for something else their hell no longer scares.
When leaving Islam the Sharia allows all kinds of nasty punishments to you by the remaining believers right here on earth.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Temple is a non-specific word for a place of worship and can apply to synagogues, mosques and churches alike.
First in Christianity there are scriptural distinctions between church and state: "Render onto Caesar that which is Caesars ..."
That didn't exactly stop medieval and early modern kingdoms from forcing religion onto people. Cuius regio, eius religio. I'm not sure whether it would matter to me if was ecclesiastical or government authority forcing ancient superstition onto me.
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on your school there are 10 Muslim children. 8 of them are called Muhammad (it is a very popular name for people with that background).
*You* are a moron if you think that *80%* of "people with that background" have a single name. You'd be lucky for it to be more than about 10%. (How did you even come up with the idea that people *in any society* would willingly give almost everyone the same name? Even Romans with their notoriously limited repertoire of names had a few dozen of them.)
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Just curious, could the individual countries in the EU agree to wavered visas like a pre-EU that ac was speaking of?
It's not just "probable", it historically happened.
Ezekiel 23:20
I live here, and have lived in NC, GA and now VA. Haven't noticed any such influence!
As Kyosuke pointed out, it's historically happened - in countries like Syria, Egypt, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, the stans, the Indian sub-continent... And in Europe, in Albania, Bosnia.
Under considerably different circumstances; military invasions.
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A two second Google search shows that your stated facts are wrong for 2015. According to the Independent which is quoting the Office for National Statistics which is an official government department and so vastly more reliable than some random website you picked Muhammad was the 14th most popular boys in 2015.
If you go direct to the ONS website you will see that they do not have statistics yet for 2016 but you can also see that 'Oliver' was the top boys name in 2014. So please stop peddling lies and fake news. Mohammad is a boys name which has increased in popularity and in some regions, like London, where there is a large concentration of Muslims it is the top name but overall in the UK it is certainly not number one or even in the top ten!
No, most of those conversions happened after conquest, not during. Like for instance, Iran was first conquered by the caliphs, but conversion to Islam happened mainly in the 9th & 10th centuries under the Samanids & Buyids. In short, discriminatory policies were set up that made Zoroastrians second class citizens to Muslims, and to escape that, the bulk of them converted to Islam. Same story in Syria, Egypt & the rest of North Africa. In the East Indies, after a ruler converted to Islam, he decreed that his subjects had to convert as well, and that's how Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei & Mindanao all became Muslim.
Not very different in Europe today. You have policies that make it hate crimes to protest Muslim immigration into these countries, and neither the Left nor the Right in Europe is willing to tolerate any opposition to that, the former b'cos it's made common cause w/ the Jihad, and the latter b'cos it's scared of being branded racist. Take UK for example. Neither the Tories nor Labour endorse any plans to deport all Muslims out of the UK, despite the fact that ALL the attacks in the UK have been done by Muslims, and that too in the name of allah. So Muslims can keep coming in, and there will come a time when they will not just have mayors like Sadiq Khan, but a majority of city councils and legislators will be Muslim as well. After a certain threshold, it won't be far fetched to declare the UK an Islamic kingdom.
Such as eliminating the member veto? This is a good thing?
I agree. In fact, I'm not even entirely sure that Brexit will actually happen anymore. With no idea what they want from the negotiations, it is hard to see how these will succeed and, without that, Northern Ireland will suddenly get a hard border. The DUP is supposedly vehemently against this so I expect that once it becomes clear that this will happen the government will fall and whoever takes over will then have no time left to negotiate and will have to choose between the hardest possible hard Brexit or revoking article 50 (which is legally unclear but the EU has said it would be happy to allow). Either way the UK is in for a hell of a rough ride for the next few years either ending up back where it started or in economically uncharted waters.
It really depends on the context. I think OP was saying that this isn't a common term of reference for Islamic places of worship, having grown up in a place where there are a good portion of Muslims I can personally attest to this, though with the caveat that this term may be in use in other Muslim communities. It's also not true to say that "temple" is always a "non-specific word for a place of worship" (I know you didn't say always, I'm just inferring). The example I would give would be that of The LDS (Mormon) church. They have distinct places that would be referred to as churches (or chapels) and a completely separate category of places called "temples" that are not general places of worship, regular open services do not take place there, they are reserved for specific practices.
Not to mention that in many places, e.g., Egypt, the military invasions, if I'm not mistaken, were actually viewed as liberations at least by a part of the population. In Egypt's case, from the Byzantine government. And (later) conversions were often motivated financially, although the dynamics between motivating people to convert by means of taxation and banning them from converting (to avoid the poll tax) precisely for fiscal reasons (to keep the poll tax returns high) was interesting. This was also Egypt's case, I believe, although I read a monograph on that many years ago and don't remember the specifics now.
Ezekiel 23:20
Iceland, Greenland, and soon to be the UK all left the EU (UK by vote only). Algeria was a technicality first, but a technicality, as is Saint Barthelemy. There are other strong movements to leave in the Poland and Hungary, gaining support due to the social pushes by the EU. Other movements in the Netherlands, France, Italy, Sweden, and even Germany are gaining momentum.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That's not even a contemporary first derivative, that's at best an approximation of the first derivative. Not to mention the higher derivatives.
Ezekiel 23:20
That's odd, the EXACT same website contradicts what you said:
http://grk.am/77
It says Mohammed is #2.
So, which is it?
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champagne socialist[s]- like shadowknot- like to lie about the situation and praise the immigration policies because they themselves live in middle-class 'ghettos' nicely removed from reality.
This is just hilarious, I am assuredly not a socialist, champagne or otherwise and I do not support any of the policies I've heard British political parties push on immigration, they're all stupid. I was raised very close to the "ghettos" you speak of, it is true that there is a problem there, when I still lived there there was an attempt to change the name of either Sparkhill or Sparkbrook to "Apna Town" which I was informed translates to "Our Town" implying it belongs to the Muslim population. This endeavor went nowhere, however, that's the point I'm making. The fear mongering is so overblown and the notion that the Muslim population is going to be the majority isn't borne out by the data.
They figure if they can wait long enough, they can replace the will of the people with the will of the Eurocrats.
What will is that. "the people" voted to leave, but they didn't vote for any specific form of leave.
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So when will the UK financially compensate Europe for starting a destabilizing war leading to these mass migrations into Europe?
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Looks like the difference is due to:
Nameberry worked out their list by looking at the most viewed names on their website in the first half of 2017, rather than looking at real-life babies’ names.
However to be nit-picking, #2 is not "the most common name" as original poster claimed.
If you're thinking of a 90 day vacation within the Schengen Zone, then yes all one would need would be a passport stamped. And I guess the same restrictions apply to US visitors as from my country in terms of re-entry and the number of visits permitted within a 12 month period.
A tourist visit once or twice a year is thus different from current arrangements where EU citizens can come and go as they please, or reside or conduct business. In that case they'd be inhabitants of just another country and require visas like everyone else on the planet outside Europe.
Given that only 5% of the UK population is Muslim, and assuming only people from that 5% would call their children Muhammed, either the stated fact of Muhammed being number 2 most popular boys name is wrong, or the parent poster is right, in principle, even if he got the exact percentage wrong.
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Yeah and you are the jaybird who said the name was even in the top 100, not to be nitpicking that is....
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Keep playing dumb. The 3 states you visited were completely inundated with that shit. No or little abortions, sodomy laws, blue laws, 10 commandments posted in public spaces, censorship laws, constant pushback on evolution education, constant pushback on health education, refusal to pay for birth control, education vouchers (which mainly pay parochial schools), gambling bans, and so much other bullshit I'm tired of typing it all. When you like your caliphate, it doesn't look like one to you.
Most countries in the EU are also part of the Schengen area. Of those who are not most are "legally required" to join and in the meantime are applying rules based on the Schengen rules. The only countries in the EU with opt-outs from Schengen are the UK and Ireland.
AIUI countries in Schengen are not allowed to negotiate visa-free agreements individually, so it's largely all or nothing for the UK getting visa-free access to mainland EU countries.
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You need to look up the definition of democracy and come back. Veto of an indirectly elected assembly, isn't a particularly useful instrument if your concern is democracy. Your concern should then be to improve the position of the directly elected representatives. The removal of veto has in many areas improved the democratic well-being of the Union.
For example, the head of the Commission is proposed by the European Council on a qualified majority voting. They is then elected by the European Parliament. That election was popularised using preselected commission presidential candidates in the previous election (they were selected during the normal European Party congresses). In any case, the election took place with this system in place, and when it came to the Council meeting, which should essentially just have proposed Juncker, given the election results (EPP won), the British government objected. Cameron left the meeting saying it is a bad day for democracy (implicitly meaning that it is bad that the people had chosen the EC president, instead of him in a secret backroom deal).
Had there been a veto, it would have indeed been a bad day for democracy as in that case, Cameron and Orban could have blocked the appointment of the now elected EC president. It is fair that Cameron didn't like Juncker, but Juncker was elected through the vote for the parliament.
"Civis Europaeus sum!"
Islam is a religion that accepts conversion.
That's a partial truth at best. Converting _to islam_ is fine. Converting _from islam_ is punishable by death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Christian kings derived their power from god.
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Thank you for your fascinating contribution
In fact, the Leave campaign and prominent Leave proponents all said we could stay in the single market, which means retaining freedom of movement. This isn't what was voted for at all.
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You could have saved yourself time and just said "I'm a stupid and hateful cunt"
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Obviously, the relative frequencies depends on the actual name distribution, so one can't make meaningful judgment based purely on frequency orderings, but any examples along the lines of "imagine that 80% of people in a group have the same name" *are* a priori idiotic, outside of intentional meetings of people having the same name.
Ezekiel 23:20
One ape managed to convince the other apes that he was magical. Shame that the world's smartest animal is quite so fucking gullible, isn't it.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
It's a shame that making shit up works on stupid people, isn't it? Man we are drowning in fucking idiots.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Some of the veto powers had to go with a 28 member state EU. Otherwise nothing would ever get done.
Countries like the UK have been the ones most strictly against giving more powers to the European Parliament, for example, which currently can only veto legislation, not write legislation.
They're projected to be the majority in GB now within 10 years. The whole point of leaving the EU and it didn't work.
Projected by who?
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Muslims literally have temples, you fucking imbecile. He even lower-cased the "t" for you.
As for bigotry... Facts aren't bigoted. Facts aren't racist. Facts are facts. That you scream down the messenger doesn't make the message suddenly untrue, but it does make the rest of us wonder what it is you're trying to hide.
The only person displaying ignorance here is you.
What fact though? That muslims are a majority now or ever? Because that's not a fact.
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Or people start leaving GB at an exponential rate.
And go where?
EU? that door's been shut
US? fuck that
Russia? not likely
Australia/NZ? possible but probably not
Middle east? haha good one.
Africa? see middle east
About the best bet is probably China but we really don't like learning other languages, especially ones as different as Chinese.
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can someone tell me how there is free movmenet of EU citizens to the UK?
The UK is not in the Schengen area. Not at all. Switzerland is more in Schengen area than the UK, and Switzerland is not even EU member.
Each time I travel to the UK I have to provide an IDcard/passport.
That's not free movement, there is an actual boder to cross. Even if you take the train through the tunnel, there are border controls.
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.
Around 4.4% of the population said they were Muslim at the last census (2011). Keep in mind that the census tends to inflate the numbers because the people filling it in put their kids down as being religious when they aren't really and stop participating when they grow up.
Anyway, that's up 1.7% since 2001, so in a decade. At that rate, by 2050 a massive 10% of the population will be Muslim. I don't think we have too much to worry about.
Aren't you muslim? ISTR you saying so in one of your comments.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
I'm sure the NHS will perform much better once the 26% of doctors who are non-British have left. More jobs for Brits. Genius. [/sarcasm]
Good luck. Europe won't shed a tear for the UK.
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I'll comment on the "Life in the UK" test only as I've done it recently.
There's a small book with a summarised history of the UK and little boxes with factoids to memorise. It's not the most fascinating read ever (IMHO) and I've forgotten a lot of what's on there.
If I wanted to pass the exam again, I'd skip the book and just use the many free online test websites for practice. I'm sure that any UK native could do the same and achieve similar results to mine: I spent longer signing up and confirming my ID than I did answering the very basic multiple-choice test.
The paperwork for proving 5 consecutive years of residence (and employment) and the fees charged are a much bigger barrier to obtaining British nationality. For Non-EU27 people, it's much more expensive than the already extortionate £1200+ they charge for the naturalisation fee. In Germany it's about EUR200.
Around 4.4% of the population said they were Muslim at the last census (2011). Keep in mind that the census tends to inflate the numbers because the people filling it in put their kids down as being religious when they aren't really and stop participating when they grow up.
Anyway, that's up 1.7% since 2001, so in a decade. At that rate, by 2050 a massive 10% of the population will be Muslim. I don't think we have too much to worry about.
Beyond that, what makes these fools think that they're all going to be bent on establishing a caliphate. Most immigrant Muslims are happy to be here, doing menial jobs for decent pay (on a global scale) instead of back in their home countries eeking out a living, never getting ahead.
Someone on minimum wage here in the UK can have a decent used car, late model phone, decent accommodation and no debt. That's what being a developed country means.
The problem the UK has been having with extremists of late has been mostly with 2nd or beyond generations, people born here in the UK and I'm willing to bet a lot of that can be traced back to worsening economic conditions in the UK rather than ISIS recruiting. Take the Westminster attacker. UK born, converted to Islam in prison, was in prison because of a history of violent offences. a 20% increase in his bills would definitely have driven him over the edge.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
It's just a different way of selecting representatives for the people. One which has built-in limitations in terms of removing said peers, but also has traditional constraints on their actions. I come from the US. I am resistant to the idea of a ruling class, but that doesn't mean I am blind to its existence.
It basically comes down to: would you rather have your ruling class composed of people who made a lot of money (or inherited it!) in the economy, or who just got the position via heredity? I don't see all that much to choose between either.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
You'd be surprised. It is like the Nguyen surname in Vietnam - 40% of the population have it. It is anecdotal evidence, but all my Arab colleagues at the company I work for have Mohammed as their first name, so others have to called them Mohammed the Elder, Mohammed the younger, Mohammed the new guy, Mo and so on.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Thanks.
Free Movement of British Citizens To EU Will End in 2019.
And not than much will change as the EU was never part of The Schengen. Area so free movement was already not possible. They also where not part of the Eurozone.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
It's waaaaay more complicated than you seem to think it is. Like, waaaaaaaaaaay more.
This takes time to arrange, though, and the UK doesn't have the time or negotiators to achieve it in the time available. The UK has relied on the EU for so much of its negotiation that it is simply ill-equipped to strike out on its own without spending a lot of time and effort in replacing these negotiators. It also doesn't help that great swathes of support staff for all national institutions are from the EU, and those workers might just choose to leave, as the guarantees regarding their loved ones' ability to stay with them are non-existent.
And every concession from the EU will come at a price. This is what happens when you take a seat at the negotiating table. The weird thing is Britain decided to change sides of that table from the well-populated side filled to the rafters with seasoned international diplomats to sit alone on the other side, struggling to remember how this whole thing is supposed to work.
What about the doctors and nurses and dentists from those countries the NHS relies on? And don't be so quick claiming nobody in Britain wants them, as clearly that's your opinion (and incorrect to boot).
Hint: If you are going to complain about politics on Slashdot, don't have loads and loads of comments in political posts when "their guy" was in power. Unless you want to look hypocritical, that is, in which case go for it!
The worst part is how when immigrants or the children of immigrants want to integrate, want to be British, and these idiots tell them that they can't be. Incompatible culture, wrong accent, funny name, as if those things make people British.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You're not too good with maths, huh?
That's absolute nonsense, but I guess if it lets you hate on innocent people with a clean conscience there's nothing I or anyone else can say which will stop you from believing it, as that would leave you in the uncomfortable position of knowing you're a horrible person, with no excuses left.
It seems you're looking for any excuse to forgive your hate. I thought you were better than this.
And the bible instructs people are to be murdered for leaving Christianity... I don't see why one's OK and the other not. I do see how xenophobes see a difference, however, not that I'm saying you are one.
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See: http://www.migrationobservator...
Neither the Tories nor Labour endorse any plans to deport all Muslims out of the UK, despite the fact that ALL the attacks in the UK have been done by Muslims, and that too in the name of allah.
How fuckingly stupid can be you? One word: IRA. Details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
To paraphrase Obama, the 20th century called! They want their meme back!
The papacy, however was 100% against that, as it said that principalities could chose not to part of the res publica Christiana.. This was a compromised used to avoid bloodshed after the worst of the Wars of Religion was over. From our perspective it may sound weird, in the same way that "an eye for an eye" sounds weird. An eye for an eye was justice that prevented clan warfare (thing Montagues v Capulets).
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Except if true. Right?
Are you saying that this is not happening?
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
To be fair, you did have 5 years to save up that 1200, it's only 5 quid a week.
ahaha! You call this fair?! :D
Why exactly would anyone want to save up £5 a week specifically for changing nationality 5 years later, if the letter and the spirit of the law is precisely that people can move to other countries without having to acquire citizenship or get a visa?
A generation is about 20 years, not 5-10.
If data disproves my point, I'll move the goalposts!
Well it wasn't in the top 100 on the list that I linked, that the list was not from most viewed names was quite hidden on that site.
They figure if they can wait long enough, they can replace the will of the people with the will of the Eurocrats.
Apparently Brussels (and the fellow travellers in London) doesn't like it when commoners try to flee the plantation. Silly modbombers.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I was discussing the attempt to remove the veto of European member states to everything/anything, which has been discussed because of 'intransigent Britain' though all member states use it when it suits them.
Well, why should the EEC, which started as a TRADE BLOC, have a parliament at all?
So was I, and I gave an example about why vetos is bad for transnational democracy.
"Civis Europaeus sum!"