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The No-GPS Road Trip (popularmechanics.com)

Ezra Dyer, a reporter at Popular Mechanics, decided to ditch the GPS system he has on his car and the mapping service on his phone to see how hard it could be to go to North Carolina from his home, Louisville, Kentucky. He shares his experience: I begin downtown, by the river. It seems that if I get on 32 East, I can find Route 150 toward Tennessee. It takes about one block for my plan to fall apart. The street I'm on dead-ends and forces me onto a seemingly parallel road that soon wanders off at an angle. I discover that there's the fancy, Kentucky Derby side of Louisville, but also the Thorobred Lounge gentleman's club side. Somehow, I blunder onto Interstate 264, a ring road, where the exit numbers indicate that I'm at least ten miles from where I thought I was. And yet, it works out. See, this is the way you used to do it. You keep driving. I exit for Route 32 and settle in for a long drive east. I aim to make it to Knoxville by dinner without having any real idea of whether that's possible. It doesn't help that my atlas crams all of Kentucky onto two pages, printed with fonts evidently developed by those calligraphers who can write the Magna Carta on a piece of capellini. So I stop at a gas station to buy a local map. There are none to be found, so I pull into the next gas station. Then a third. In my mind's eye, there are metal racks at every gas station, over near the door, stocked with maps. Well, those don't exist anymore. I don't know when they disappeared, but they're gone. "Try Walmart," says one cashier, as if I could find it. About an hour in, I'm in traffic-clogged strip-mall hell, stoplights to the horizon. The upside is that I have no concept of time. Instead of compulsively checking a screen to anguish over my plight, I drive. I'm curiously peaceful. I can't do anything about the traffic, so I exist in it, placid. And eventually it gives way, the stoplights dissipating into lush Kentucky countryside. The Defender is happy to amble along at 55 mph, so amble I do, down to Route 150 toward the Tennessee border. Read the full story here.

276 comments

  1. Uh.... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's basically how I still do all my road trips. Get out the paper maps!

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    1. Re:Uh.... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's basically how I still do all my road trips. Get out the paper maps!

      I almost never use GPS on my phone because I have very little data plan. (actually I have a decent data plan, but I share it with my wife, and she uses 90% of it up in the first week of every month).

      It's nice to get out of a bind, but if I'm planning a trip, I do it the same way I always have. I look at a map (nowadays on a computer) before I leave. Memorise my route- and leave.

      If I have to make more than a dozen turns on unfamiliar roads, I'll print off, or hand write the directions down. You'll be surprised how you learn routes better when you're not relying on GPS. Next time you make the trip you have it committed in memory instead of having to look it up again.

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    2. Re:Uh.... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Written directions haven't failed me yet.

    3. Re:Uh.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah. When I go to a place and only rely on GPS, I don't end up knowing that place any better than before I arrived.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:Uh.... by b0bby · · Score: 2

      You seem to be happy with maps, but if you want, you can install Here We Go maps on your phone for free, and download the areas you want for offline use. I've used it in Europe and it was very useful. Google Maps will also cache for offline use, but when I first tried it it was buggy and Here worked so that's what I stick with.

      Waze, for the traffic around me, would be worth upgrading my data plan for ;)

    5. Re:Uh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still bring a paper map as a backup as you never know when the phone will lose service or the GPS will fail you. One "amusing" episode was the GPS telling us to turn right off the side of a tollway and when we continued to the appropriate exit instead it kept telling us to get back on the highway in the other direction and turn left across the tollway at that spot instead.

      What is also annoying about GPS is that sometimes, like in the situation above, you have to go quite a bit off the path it shows before it finally recalculates to something that actually works.

    6. Re:Uh.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      When I lived in CA - both Los Angeles and Santa Clara Valley, AAA paper maps was what I used. Was really straightforward, since CA typically has a grid like road system - one knows which roads run in parallel, and which ones perpendicular, and can mentally plot a drive from, say, Topanga/Victory to Winnetka/Ventura.

      However, when I moved to the East coast 3 years ago, I decided to order an in-unit GPS system on the car I bought. Couldn't have made a better decision. It made Charlotte easy to explore, then when I went to Atlanta, didn't have issues there. In N VA, it's still pretty good, although some places have started to look dated, making me check my phone maps. The advantage of a dashboard GPS unit is that it doesn't eat up my mobile data, and it's more convenient to just glance at it occasionally while driving. One big advantage - if I'm driving at night on a dark road and there's suddenly a curve ahead, I know about it in advance and am prepared. Something that a paper map can in no way help. Besides, unlike in CA, roads wind around in bizarre ways, so that even one w/ a good sense of direction loses it very quickly. Like in Atlanta, the 285 Perimeter is a closed loop, so that it's easy to get confused w/o either map or GPS.

      Recently, I had to turn in my car for maintenance and got a loaner car. The GPS system had one major improvement - support for both Apple Car & Android Auto. Really handy for dealing w/ maps getting outdated. Would probably need to explore a replacement GPS at some point.

    7. Re:Uh.... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      You don't even need a paper map. You just need to have an idea of where you're going, an understanding of geography and have a slight sense of adventure.

      I used to wander around the midwest, sans maps, visiting family the summer before I went to college. If you've hit an ocean you're too far east/west way or the other. Mexico too far south, Canada too far north. Signs on the road are informative enough to get you where you're going.

    8. Re:Uh.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've had good luck with Google Maps caching, when it offers to cache my route. But it only does that when I'm actually at the point of departure. I suppose I could use Fake GPS to make it look like I'm somewhere else for the purpose of pre-caching, otherwise I can only start cached journeys in locations with wi-fi if I don't have cellular internet.

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    9. Re: Uh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude use osmand if you are on Android.... Works quite OK for offline navigation.

    10. Re:Uh.... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      And that's how American Picker got started. Catch their next episode Tuesday at 7.

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    11. Re:Uh.... by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

      >I almost never use GPS on my phone because I have very little data plan

      Google maps lets you offline a section of a map, great if you don't have coverage.

      google howto @ Download areas and navigate offline

    12. Re:Uh.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      It's easier when you have a road system arranged like a grid, like, say, in CA. It's completely different when roads are not just random, but wind all over the place, and when 2 streets intersect at 2 or more places. If you're driving, after enough bends, it's hard to keep track of where North is, and which way one is headed.

    13. Re:Uh.... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That's basically how I still do all my road trips. Get out the paper maps!

      I use both paper maps and gps guidance. The idea in the story that we somehow re-enter a paradise of relaxation and restoration of the road trip as how God meant it to be is silly. It's like deciding that you'll have only one wrench in the toolbox. and no other.

      The strengths of each mode complement each other. The GPS guidance can tell me where a gas station is, yet doesn't have a "big picture" mode, while the paper maps can show me a huge area, and a reality check in case the GPS things I should do something stupid.

      Really helpful is the construction and accident feature of my GPS traveling guidance, which is a good replacement for the superannuated CB radio as well.

      Using both is good.

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    14. Re:Uh.... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I use CityMaps2Go by Ulmon Pro which allows me to download city maps and use them offline. I'm in the same situation in that I have a data plan with a small amount of data. I only use the app if I go somewhere new and need to be somewhere. The only thing to be careful with the application is that if it gets updated you sometimes have to download your maps again. It happened to me once and I had to find a place with free Wi-Fi to get my map because I didn't check before I left.

    15. Re:Uh.... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      My favourites are when the street you are on turns off and if you go straight you are on a different road.

    16. Re: Uh.... by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      gps is good if you dont have a brain and have to be told where to go.

    17. Re:Uh.... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No standard form factor, good luck replacing that. I bet the later years version doesn't fit your dash, odds are good. Just replace the car, like a good consumer.

      Most people end up with an aftermarket, in front of the stock one in the dash. The dealership used to like to charge $10 less than the price of an aftermarket navi for yearly map updates, not sure how that's settled out. That's basically the argument: You're going to end up with an aftermarket pretty damn soon anyhow...

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    18. Re:Uh.... by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      That's good and we certainly have that in Atlanta but my favorite is when the road just ends. Then it picks up a few blocks away with no notice that it does so. Got very confused a few times when I knew the road continued and yet I was looking at a dead end.

    19. Re:Uh.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The problem with google maps, at least on my old iPad and iPhone, is:
      You open it and it starts to load the area around you.
      Instead of simply displaying the map you had opend last time you used it, which is 99% of the time what I want.

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    20. Re:Uh.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      type 'ok maps' into the search field and it downloads and caches the current map display.
      Does not work for every place, though, some areas are 'off limites' and don't get cached, usually government districts or important parts of capital cities.

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    21. Re:Uh.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Paper maps, too, tell you where a gas station is.
      And a church if you need that ...

      When actually was it that you last time looked on a paper map?

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    22. Re:Uh.... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Get out the paper maps!

      That seems to be the step he left out, it would appear - or maybe he just didn't understand how to use a map and prepare a journey. It seems almost too simple to be worth detailing, but I like to hear myself talk, so:

      1) Plan your route using good quality maps - for that, you could even use google maps.
      2) Make a list of roads and junctions. I usually take a post-it note, and write things like "M40 -> J9 -> A41 -> ...", meaning "Motorway M40, exit at junction 9 onto A41 ... "; stick the list on the lower edge of windscreen mirror.

      Make up your own abbreviations; mine work in UK where we have motorways called M+number (and all junctions are numbered J+number), larger main roads called A+number, and smaller ones called B+number - all of these are clearly signposted in most places and should be visible on any good road map. It is very hard to loose your way, I find, certainly when you are traveling long distance, when you mostly use big roads.

    23. Re:Uh.... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but for the past two thousand odd years that's how everyone did road trips (although more than a hundred years ago they involved horses). And now the fact that some millennial manages to drive from A to B without using a GPS is newsworthy?

    24. Re:Uh.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There is and long has been a GUI for creating rectangular offline areas. You don't have to use the "ok maps" trick any more. However, the auto-caching feature will grab the area immediately along your route, in a non-rectangular fashion. This uses a lot less phone storage for a given route.

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    25. Re:Uh.... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I don't find that it hinders my memory much. I always had trouble navigating out of places once I'd gotten there. If I go somewhere afew times, I'll remember.
      Living in an urban area, I find Google Maps to be indispensable just because it routes me around traffic. I've had it show me new ways to get around places that were congested.

    26. Re:Uh.... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Paper maps, too, tell you where a gas station is. And a church if you need that ...

      When actually was it that you last time looked on a paper map?

      You have to have a paper map with those on it. Paper maps can also show you individual houses and countour lines, altitude and all manner of things. I don't often travel with those.

      Because a paper map won't answer me whan I ask it where the closest gas station is.

      As for the last time I looked at a paper map, it was the Pennsylvania Gazetteer, about 5 days ago. A very handy thing with the back roads I like to use. Chillaxe Bro, you have such an undercurrent of anger in your posts.

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    27. Re:Uh.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's there in a lot of cities, not just Atlanta, where the road is named something else after a major intersection or off-ramp. I once ran into a situation in Charlotte where my GPS directed me through a road that had a barricade. Theoretically, it was 'correct' - had I walked or had a bike, it would have worked, but I couldn't do that w/ the car. So had to get on the main road, do a couple of U turns before getting to another street that actually helped me get to my location.

    28. Re:Uh.... by thsths · · Score: 1

      > 1) Plan your route using good quality maps - for that, you could even use google maps.

      And that is the problem right there: good maps cost quite a bit, and compared to Google, they are all crap (for navigation): outdated, not detailed enough, and no idea of traffic. Google Maps easily beats the best map in the world. Does that mean Google Maps is the best map in the world? Not even close, but it is very good at what it is trying to do.

    29. Re:Uh.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, I live in Europe.
      And just like before 3 month ago or so, using internet outside of my country was absurd expensive.
      So I used to load the maps of my destination, in my own country, before I traveled.
      For the route I don't need a map, only for the destination area.

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  2. No good road trip ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... ends without at least one unintentional, sometimes dangerous detour.

  3. Oh. My. God! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Funny

    No GPS, only maps? Are you insane? THAT'S A SUICIDE MISSION!

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    1. Re:Oh. My. God! by Nutria · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only if you're a pair of females (one a man-hater, the other one with very poor man-choosing skills) on the run from the law in SoCal/AZ.

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    2. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that a Bonnie and Clyde reference?

    3. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see we're still letting Rick Perry post. Two females? Last I checked Clyde was (still) not a female. I'll leave the actual movie name as an exercise for you Rick.

    4. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy scientist Rick Perry?

    5. Re: Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thelma and Louise you dip shit lol.

    6. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thelma and Louise

    7. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! A map?!?! He's gonna kill us all!

    8. Re:Oh. My. God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      suicide would be faster

    9. Re:Oh. My. God! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was no GPS, no maps, because you can't get paper maps any more.

    10. Re:Oh. My. God! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Of course that's not true.

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  4. If only by MrLint · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there was some kinda of paper navigation tool you could fold up and keep in the glove box. Or perhaps even a book of said previous things.....

    1. Re:If only by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1, Informative

      If only you had bothered to read the summary. A quarter of it is all about that.

    2. Re:If only by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      there was some kinda of paper navigation tool you could fold up and keep in the glove box. Or perhaps even a book of said previous things.....

      That would require some kind of surveyor who can draw a map without a GPS. You'd run the risk of getting stuck on an island which doesn't exist but only serves as his signature.

    3. Re:If only by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      We used to buy the Thomas Guide for our local region every few years. We might only need it once or twice a year, but on those occasions it was indispensable.

      Really, the main difference between then and now is - back then, you needed to pull over to consult the map. It was slightly inconvenient, but not a particularly big deal.

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    4. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there was some kinda of paper navigation tool you could fold up and keep in the glove box. Or perhaps even a book of said previous things.....

      Everyone complains about cell phone distracted drivers. I remember the time of unfolding a map across the whole windshield at highway speeds. And there wasn't even a red dot to tell you where you were!

    5. Re:If only by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the compass, watch, sextant and sight reduction tables...

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    6. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. A few years ago I drove from southern Texas to New England. I think I looked at google maps one time before I started. Interstate all the way. Just follow the signs. It's just not that hard. I have no doubt I could drive from New England to the west coast – L.A., San Fran, Portland, Seattle, whatever – without ever looking at a map. All interstate. It'd be pretty boring. I'd probably want to get off the interstate, and for that I'd use maps or a GPS.

      OTOH, the three or four times I've rented cars in England and Spain I used google maps on my phone (cached), because I just don't have any frame of reference.

    7. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people!

    8. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well I guess only the google maps generation would think that you aquire and consult maps AFTER you leave. That is stupid. And if this guy can't follow "TO Interstate XX" signs, he's pretty much a lost cause. The maps in the atlas assume that you can look at the signs beside the road and figure out where to turn to stay on or get on the highway you want. Probably that is the grand revelation at the conclusion of the article. sigh.

    9. Re: If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To think that in 1802, the British surveyed India starting from Madras (Chennai) in the south. More than 2,000 km north, they measured Mt Everest at 29,002 feet, remarkably close to todayâ(TM)s GPS-calculated elevation of 29,035 feet. That's 10m in over 2000km, no GPS.

      https://www.thoughtco.com/india-discovers-mount-everest-in-1852-755310

    10. Re:If only by Headw1nd · · Score: 2

      This is I think is the most important point: In the pre-GPS era, you consulted maps long before you left. You didn't drive to Carolina, then get a map of Carolina. I remember my parents would spend a good hour or two with an atlas prior to long trips planning out exactly how they would get there, familiarizing themselves with the route, and making the necessary notes for the trip.

    11. Re:If only by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

      Last time I checked, which was in January, every damn truck stop still had Rand Mcnally maps and atlases. The big ones like Love's, Pilot, and Flying J are almost always a great place to stop. Clean bathrooms and decent food, as well as pretty much anything you may need for Phone / tablet / maps / or quite a lot of other things. Including magnifying glasses for his apparently decrepit eyes, since he claims to have had an atlas but "couldn't read the small print". Either buy a decent atlas for emergencies or deal with being lost...

      Whose fault was it that the dude who decided to take a trip wasn't even smart enough to stop at the places completely designed for people navigating the damn country?

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    12. Re:If only by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      I checked in July. Love's, Pilot, and Flying J still have maps and atlases.

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    13. Re: If only by avandesande · · Score: 1

      In 240BC Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the earth within .16% accuracy with a stick.

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    14. Re:If only by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Things went fine once he got into the interstate, it seems. It was navigating the city to get there that was the biggest hurdle.

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    15. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember my father would order a map from AAA for our road trips, it was a flip book with a highlighted route.I think they were called TripTiks.

    16. Re: If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some, but they didn't have the area map I needed. Mostly trucker maps.

    17. Re:If only by mjwx · · Score: 1

      there was some kinda of paper navigation tool you could fold up and keep in the glove box. Or perhaps even a book of said previous things.....

      The problem is finding such a tool on short notice.

      It was back in the heady days of 2014 and I was driving through the small towns of Southern California. Due to various circumstances beyond my control I had no in car charger and was running on batteries all the way from LAX to Pismo Beach. I would have been fine if they hadn't of closed a section of Highway 1 around Pismo Beach so I had to take a detour which had a complete lack of markings. Not to fear, I've done a bit of orienteering before and I'm actually quite good at it, so I pulled into a gas station and asked the attendant if he had any maps of the area. He returned a look that tended to say "what is this map thing you speak of, man from a strange and far off land". They didn't actually have any maps. He was at least able to direct me back onto the Highway and I made it safely to my overnight stop in SLO. It was as well planned and executed as a Top Gear road trip special.

      I also managed to drive my rented Mustang (Yes, I was a tourist) over a very low wall but still high enough to do some damage to the underside. Fortunately the hire company never found out about that.

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    18. Re:If only by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      One of AAA's more popular services. Apparently, it was expensive, as they told their members it was strictly for trips the member was on.

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    19. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've only used Google Maps, Google Earth, or something else now before leaving. Carrying the ATX PC, monitor, keyboard, mouse and a diesel generator would be unwieldy, esp. on foot, on bicycle or in a train.

      Having infinite computer maps on every PC makes not having a GPS easier if anything. Desktop ones are easier to use, they all have a large monitor (well at least 17" narrow or 19" wide) and a mouse equipped with a scroll wheel.

  5. its not too hard - just look at a map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps I am among the last of an old breed at 32 but I can, with little issue, read and follow a paper street map (or an on screen one not equipped with GPS, or written/oral instructions like "turn right at the red barn and take a left after the mail box")

    this stuff isn't rocket science nor is it magic.

    1. Re:its not too hard - just look at a map by Junta · · Score: 2

      The biggest thing is that maps don't have traffic info, which can be fantastic. Also new construction.

      Also, there are some really funky interchanges, like near me there is this weird interchange where 4 highways and two local streets come together in a very small area and it's actually a bit difficult to make out on a map and see how to get through it and end up on the right road at the end. Turn by turn usually saves me having to take the next exit and come try again when I see that I misunderstood the map the first time.

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    2. Re:its not too hard - just look at a map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the Asimov story "The Feeling of Power" in which multiplication can really be done by hand :)

    3. Re:its not too hard - just look at a map by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Who uses a map to navigate an interchange? That is what signs are for.

    4. Re:its not too hard - just look at a map by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Even an updated GPS or siri can send you down an out road or to a restaurant that's closed. Happens to me enough that I don't use it unless I'm really unfamiliar with the area.

    5. Re:its not too hard - just look at a map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is what signs are for.

      The signs are frequently shit. Example; multiple names for the same piece of road, typically because we're all hellbent on naming everything after civil rights so-and-sos and screwing up all the signage to proclaim our virtue. What was just I-93 or whatever gets signed as Rufus R Mumphrey Highway for a few miles either side of some la-la land city. Directions never use the latter so it's up to you to figure out whats going on.

      Other times you're boxed in by a semi and miss that crucial sign. And no amount of sign reading will remove the 20 miles of pointless construction barrels you didn't know about and denies the exit you need.

      Smaller thoroughfares are frequently not signed with a name at all. The money that's supposed to create and maintain that signage is paying for RVs for municipal retirees so they don't exist. Locals get it but you're fucked.

      GPS with detour aware maps fix all this stupid shit. That's why they're building it into dashboards. Yes, it creates a disconnect. The alternative is unintentionally driving through a few miles of ghetto hoping not to get stopped at too many lights while predators are sizing you up.

      Frankly if you leave for anything beyond your workplace or grocery store without a navigation system you're an idiot. The fact that the space that was occupied by map racks at fuel stations has found better uses is a measure of how little regard the world has for idiots.

    6. Re: its not too hard - just look at a map by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Signage won't always save you. Especially in Texas (kick-ass roads, awful signage)

      Years ago, I was on a freeway in downtown Dallas. I think I was on westbound I-30, heading to northbound I-35E. There's a section where westbound I-30 merges briefly with northbound I-35E.

      In Florida, there would have been two huge signs spanning the road with arrows pointing at specific lanes... one that said something like "I-30 West (to I-35 North & Woodall Rodgers Fwy)", and one that said "exit to I-35E South".

      In Dallas? The road split in two, with a single sign between them off in the distance. It said "Waco" and some other city & had arrows pointing left & right. No highway names or numbers. No compass direction. Just two fsck'ing city names a visitor was apparently expected to know the locations of relative to a ~10 lane freeway in downtown Dallas.

    7. Re: its not too hard - just look at a map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry to hear about your miserable, angry life

  6. Drove from Detroit to Portland and Back in 2010 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did this in 2010, but only because I didn't own a smartphone yet. Well, technically, I had a Moto Q set to just record the drive. But, the route planning was all done with a road trip book. Big deal. What's the point of this article? Gas stations don't have maps anymore? Yawn.

    1. Re:Drove from Detroit to Portland and Back in 2010 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Constant electronic gadgetry makes people stupid/helpless. Research is beginning to see clinical evidence of this. Shouldn't we be piercing gel sacks or something over this?

  7. Cross country trip by scumdamn · · Score: 1

    We drove about 6000 miles up and down the middle of the US this summer and it felt good to turn off the GPS and just follow the road signs every once in a while. It doesn't really feel like you're totally connected with the road when you're just waiting for Google to tell you when to turn next (or when to just stay on the road you're on which is does too frequently). The road signs really do a good job of getting you around but it might not the the absolute fastest route like Google does. Still, I prefer it every once in a while.

    1. Re:Cross country trip by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I drove from east coast to west coast several times before people could buy GPS systems, let alone use smart phones. I can't believe people already think that would be anything special or news worthy. I know people that won't get in their cars without their smart phones because "what if something happened?" The ONLY time I ever needed to call someone because of a car problem I had to pull over and walk a quarter mile to a gas station.... OH THE HUMANITY!

      No, I'm not a Luddite - I get the value of Waze and use it all the time, but to think it's something special to not use it is sad.

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    2. Re:Cross country trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to not bother with bring a cellphone, but the removal of payphones at most gas stations has resulted in me changing that habit. I now carry a phone with me, it is actually a necessity needing to be able to make a phone call since I drive a crappy used car with over 200K miles on it. I've had 2 flats in the last 2 months, and currently have what sounds like a wheel bearing wearing out.

  8. People in the NC/TN mountains do this a lot by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    if they have AT&T. spotty coverage at best. Verizon is a popular choice.

  9. Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    It almost seems similar to everyone (OK, a lot of people) losing their ability to do mental arithmetic when calculators became popular. Crutches, that's all they are.

    1. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You'd be amazed at how much you can accomplish when you can offload the mundane details to your electronic servants.
      If a GPS saves me one wrong turn on the way there and one on the way back, it's paid for itself in my book.

    2. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      I try to go out of my way to attempt mental-math until I either know I'm licked, or have arrived at something resembling an answer. I then cross-check it with a calculator or re-calculate on paper. It's a capacity I won't ever willingly let go of.

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    3. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      True story. Me and a buddy were going to his favorite strip club in the city he grew up in. He needed to get his SD card from another friend's GPS so he could get the address in his GPS, then drove there. Had a good time.

      When we're trying to leave, he was plugging in home to the GPS, and while it was figuring out what the hell to do, I told him to just take a right out of the parking lot (which would take us east) then then keep right around the parking lot (two more rights), and a final right when we got to the main road (vs taking a left out of the parking lot, fighting traffic). A left after the underpass, and back on the interstate westbound.

      He froze up because that would get him lost, and instead waited for the GPS; he took the left out of the parking lot (after waiting for traffic) and then a right at the main road at a stop sign (waiting for more traffic). Took longer his way because of everyone else leaving, while my way avoided the bottleneck...

      It was on that day I was glad I never started relying on GPS and renewed by personal vow to always be able to read a paper map and road signs.

    4. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      I did a 22 state two month road trip (three coasts) over the last 2.5 months. I have a GPS and halfway through the first leg, one of my co-drivers threw it out the window after one too many wrong directions, but we completed the trip with a rand mcnally atlas that was only referenced a few times. And this person is a professional driver now. They have a galaxy smartphone and it was beset with similar problems. I don't mind , but apparently some people do.

      That said, I find it pretty easy to get anywhere without a map or GPS if you have some rudimentary knowledge of how the free ways arelaid out. Flagstaff,LA.Seattle,Detroit,Boston, NYC. No map, no GPS,no problem.

    5. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Managing to complete a road trip despite being accompanied by an idiot with anger management issues who doesn't respect other people's property isn't really a good argument against using a GPS.

      You should have gone back and picked up the GPS, then left the asshole behind.

    6. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When we're trying to leave, he was plugging in home to the GPS, and while it was figuring out what the hell to do, I told him to just take a right out of the parking lot (which would take us east) then then keep right around the parking lot (two more rights), and a final right when we got to the main road (vs taking a left out of the parking lot, fighting traffic). A left after the underpass, and back on the interstate westbound.

      He froze up because that would get him lost

      Some people might view that as him not trusting you. I choose to read that as him not trusting the GPS. Because even if your directions sucked and would place him in the middle of no where, he still has a GPS to fall back on. A GPS is why, if I happen to be unable to safely take an exit, I just continue driving. Because although I might have no idea where to go after missing my exit, my GPS will just recalculate a new route.

    7. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ... You'd be amazed at how much you can accomplish when you can offload the mundane details to your electronic servants. ...

      I'm not saying don't use 'em. I am saying, try to keep the skills you may otherwise lose if you *only* use 'em.

    8. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Awhile back, a friend was trying to find some place he'd been as a kid. Naturally, he consulted his GPS, and we hadn't even gotten on the highway before it steered us wrong. We got on the highway, and got in the right area, but then it kept steering us one way, then told us we were going the wrong way! We found the right place only because my friend thought something looked familiar and turned on the right street. The GPS never did get it right.

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    9. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Speaking of 'paid for itself'. Just a couple of months ago I was on a trip with someone in a rental car. He was driving, and is one of those 'GPS knows everything' types. Anyway, we're driving along and the GPS says 'keep left'. I said, 'you need to exit to the right'. He listens to the GPS. Happened two more times. We get to our destination and he is gloating about how the GPS was right and I was wrong. I say 'just wait'.

      About a month later he calls me up - he is irate because he got a bill from the rental car company for fines that had been billed to the car. Seems all those times he listened to the GPS and stayed left he should have been listening to me and going thru the cash toll plaza. Had $150 in fines for toll evasion, and expected me to pay 'my share'.

    10. Re: Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US and it's interstate network is so easy. We drove Athens to London in 1983... not just signs in many languages, but also multiple alphabets (Roman, Greek and Cyrillic). This on a lot of shitty third world roads before they were upgraded by EU or low interest borrowing.

      Somewhat impressed by best friend who took the trans-Siberian about four years ago to Mongolia, then rented a 4x4 and drove across there, although on one occasion when they were lost, they chose to continue past the point of no return with regards to their petrol supply and somehow found their way.

      We don't need technology, just a trust in humanity: people will help you the world over.

    11. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I understand your story correctly, you told the driver to go right but didn't tell him why. Three times you did this. You knew he needed to pay cash toll and didn't help him out.

      If I understand your story correctly you are kind of a douchebag.

      Even if he was annoying you with GPS fanboi-ism you could have said "you need to pay the toll. See those signs saying to go to the right for the cash toll plaza?"

      This is assuming you didn't just make this story up to make yourself sound more awesome, which is a possibility I am not discounting.

    12. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Actually, I kind of chuckled at this line:

      I aim to make it to Knoxville by dinner without having any real idea of whether that's possible.

      I mean, you drive along. You see a sign that says "Knoxville 67 miles." You do the math, "If I average 60 MPH, it should take me an hour and seven minutes."

      If nothing else, doing math problems in your head is a wonderful way to pass the time.

    13. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be amazed at how much you can accomplish when you can offload the mundane details to your electronic servants.
      If a GPS saves me one wrong turn on the way there and one on the way back, it's paid for itself in my book.

      That's five whole extra minutes of Candy Crush time!

    14. Re: Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Shortly before WWII, Eisenhower was tasked with leading a road convoy across the US, just to see how well it worked. It worked pretty badly, all things considered. I suspect that's one big reason Eisenhower was interested in the Interstate system.

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    15. Re:Has everyone become so dependent upon GPS now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... It's a crime to take a route that doesn't include toll roads?

  10. I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    One time I was driving north on I-5 towards Sacramento when I had a tire blowout, which I hadn't noticed until I saw my tire go flying off into the field. I pulled over, called AAA and fetched my tire. After an hour, I was told they couldn't find me as I had no clue to where I was past the last exit. I gave the AAA operator the GPS coordinates of my cellphone. The AAA driver showed up 30 minutes later.

    1. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      I had a tire blowout, which I hadn't noticed until I saw my tire go flying off into the field.

      What kind of vehicle was it? I'm curious if it had that good of a suspension, run flats, or you're just that inattentive of a driver. If it's the latter, then I'm glad I'm on the opposite coast.

    2. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What kind of vehicle was it?

      1999 Pontiac Grand Prix. I never had a tire blow out before. I was wondering what the knocking sound was. That's when I noticed the front passenger tire going off into the field.

    3. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a tire blowout, which I hadn't noticed until I saw my tire go flying off into the field

      Your tire blew out, and you noticed NO difference in the handling or performance of your vehicle, until you saw the tire fly off your vehicle? No shimmy? No rumbling, grinding, crunching noise as your rim contacted the pavement? No pull in the steering wheel as your unbalanced tires caused your car to pull to the side?

      And a tow-truck driver familiar with the local area (AAA isn't calling in a driver from fucking Houston to service a broken down car in California) can't find a broken down car on the side of the road given "heading North on the I-5, past exit 72"?

      I call bullshit. Nobody can be the oblivious, unless they're dead-to-the-world drunk behind the wheel, or literally comatose. No tow truck driver can be that incapable, unless they're also drunk or comatose.

      Also, how does a 47 year old man survive to the age of 47 and not know how to put a fucking spare tire on his car?

    4. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Your tire blew out, and you noticed NO difference in the handling or performance of your vehicle, until you saw the tire fly off your vehicle?

      Knocking sound.

      Also, how does a 47 year old man survive to the age of 47 and not know how to put a fucking spare tire on his car?

      I had no jack.

    5. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I had no jack.

      Really no wing or screw jack say under the spare in that thing? Strange....

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    6. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Really no wing or screw jack say under the spare in that thing? Strange....

      The Pontiac Grand Prix was my father's old car. I wasn't surprised that the jack wasn't missing. My father probably had it in his tool shed.

    7. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I had a tire blowout, which I hadn't noticed until I saw my tire go flying off into the field

      Your tire blew out, and you noticed NO difference in the handling or performance of your vehicle, until you saw the tire fly off your vehicle?

      I briefly drove a Pontiac LeMans (I would call it the Pontiac LeMon). The last few decades of the Pontiac were a really bad decade for Pontiacs. They were so bad, they ALWAYS felt like you were driving with a flat tyre. No car brand ever had a steeper fall from grace than Pontiac that once upon a time made some nice cars.

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    8. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      It's pretty rare since radials became common. I was driving the first time I was ever in a car that had a blow out and was in my teens. I was pretty sure of what it was and between the noise, and the way it caused the car to handle, I pulled over right away to check it. I can't say there was ever a time in my life that I would hear a noise I didn't know coming from my car that I would keep driven. I suppose if Godzilla was chasing me I'd keep going. Other than something crazy or life threatening, it tends to get more expensive to fix things if you just keep going.

    9. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I always toss the stupid donut out and buy a fulls size rim and tire and make sure there is a decent jack in the trunk when I buy a car. I also recommend checking the spare before going on any long trip you never know what crap you might run over on the highway. Broken bottles, nails, etc... can still puncture a brand new tire.

    10. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had no jack.

      You couldn't just use your heavy creaming cock? You know, the cock "all the girls" talk about?

    11. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Bet it was more a tread separation vs. a classic 'blowout'. I'm old and have never had a tire 'blowout', heard about them from dad and uncles.

      Cars and tires used to suck. Now you've practically got to run them on 5 psi to get enough heat into them for really interesting things to happen. Or run tires way past their expiration date. Try and drive a 'barn find' home. I bit the bullet and bought the car trailer, years ago.

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    12. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Nope, there was a hole big enough to put a tennis ball through the sidewall. I'm guessing it was a defective tire, but who knows. I'm fairly sure it was inflated properly because I had just checked the tires the day before. I had a lot more time back then and drove my cars pretty hard.

      I remember the switch from bias ply to radials. Like everything, people found something to bitch about. The big complaint I remember was that radials always looked like they had low pressure compared to bias ply.

    13. Re:I wouldn't ditch the cellphone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a similar experience with my first car, a 1976 Pontiac Grand Prix. I was on the freeway in Los Angeles doing 65 mph with traffic when my right front tire blew out. The only symptom I had was that the right front of the car dropped an inch or two.

      And it gets better. I pulled over to change to my full size spare and it started to rain. It rained all while I was changing the tire. The moment I finished and got back into the driver's seat, the rain stopped.

  11. Lifehack: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look for a "Truck Stop" these are frequently found on interstates, and have _Huge_ parking lots full of tractor and trailer, and usually have Very large signs visible from a great distance.

    "Pilot" and "Flying J" are common through the US.

    Go inside and they'll have things called a "Road Atlas" for sale. they're moderately expensive ($20-$100, depending on the quality and size)

    http://www.randmcnally.com/product/road-atlas you can purchase them online, if you have the lead time.

    1. Re:Lifehack: by bobbied · · Score: 1

      The only problem with this idea is this.. If you don't know where you are and what direction is which, a Road Atlas is useless. Just knowing that you are "somewhere on I-80 and the ground is hilly" is going to be a problem without a bit more information. Not to mention you kind of need to know how to read a paper map that doesn't automatically adjust to point in the direction you are traveling.

      Of course, you *could* ask one of the drivers milling a truck stop about where you are and which way is north, but again, if you don't know how to relate that to a paper map you will be lost again in short order.

      In my experience, the kids coming out of our great public schools today barely know basic geometry and are thus going to be totally hopeless with that paper map. Heaven help us should the GPS satellites ever stop working...

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    2. Re:Lifehack: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the same shop you should pick up a compass as well. They have suction cup ones that will stick to your dash or windshield. That will get you travel direction.

      Then you drive on a highway, and note the names of the off ramps you pass or the overpasses you go under. That show you how far down that high way you are. If you're really clever you can use the exit numbers or mile markers and have a very fast way to look up on a map because they always increment in a consistent direction on a US highway.

    3. Re:Lifehack: by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Been in situations not entirely unlike that. Its still not rocket surgery. You get back in the car, you drive five or ten miles until you see a sign for a town. Usually you will go thru an intersection somewhere, glance at the sings for the cross streets, and see what the road you are on is called. Most often this indicate N/S/E/W, ie "North US11" Once you have collected some of these details you pull off and consult the map figure out where you are.

      Usually this won't happen to you on something like I-80, its hard to get on a limited access highway/interstate without signs indicating your direction, additional signs indicating the road number and direction are also usually every 5 miles or so if not more frequent than that oh and those will have mile markers that almost always correspond to exit numbers now days so you'll be able locate yourself (relatively) on a decent road atlas pretty quickly based on that as well.

      The only place I can see this being much of a problem is possibly out West. I can't think of anywhere east of the Mississippi where you are looking at more than 10 - 15 miles before seeing at least a sign for something that would appear on quality a road map. In most places 10 miles will probably put you somewhere that is on a road map. Even in Eastern Kentucky or West Virginia.

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    4. Re:Lifehack: by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      The sun rises in the east and sets in the west... those little signs with numbers are the mile markers (at least in the US) and they are also the exit numbers...

    5. Re:Lifehack: by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Hmm. So the alternative you offer the millennial snowflakery is to forego the voice controlled real time detour aware digital navigation system and instead seek out a truck stop filled with overweight semi driving Rush Limbaugh devotees and staffed by townie meth addicts so that they might salvage a paper atlas from among the racks of CB gear and polished nude mudflap silhouettes?

      Good luck with that.

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    6. Re:Lifehack: by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      The sun rises in the east and sets in the west... those little signs with numbers are the mile markers (at least in the US) and they are also the exit numbers...

      A lot of the time, you can't see the sun through the clouds.

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  12. Re: Drove from Detroit to Portland and Back in 201 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's edgy and like, ironic, or something.

    Hey whoa did you know there's this box thing in the centre console that's like Spotify, you twist a dial and can select different playlists? Stream quality is a bit shit tho.

  13. GPS causes brain damage /s by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Not saying it necessarily causes physical, or even irreversible changes to the brain, but it results in a sort of corruption/degredation of the mind. If your mind is dependent on being spoon-fed information to complete tasks, it becomes weak. Don't get me wrong, GPS is a valuable tool; I'm very concerned, however, that we're causing our species a disservice by eschewing the practice of such a vital skill in favor of GPS. Next time you're out and about on a cloudy day, ask someone which direction is North.

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    1. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Meh, "North" is only important if you are using the technology that the GPS displaced - the compass. I'm not too worried about people losing their ability to read maps, because any permanent loss of GPS is likely to be accompanied by massive societal upheaval and starvation. Reading road-maps will be the least of our problems.

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    2. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      ...which direction is North.

      I think it's to the left, isn't it?

    3. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meh, "North" is only important if you are using the technology that the GPS displaced - the compass.

      Look everyone, millennials thinks GPS replaces compasses.

      if only there were a way to tell which direction was north without some sort of device....

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    4. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      accompanied by massive societal upheaval and starvation

      See that is where I'd want to be able to read a map. Maybe not a road map but I'd want to know where the large areas of unbroken forest are, rivers, lakes, and streams within them, etc. Maybe which direction the more sizeable population centers are so I could avoid those places.

      Being able to use a map and compass seems pretty useful in your post apocalyptic situ. If you are trying to ride it out anyway.

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    5. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      A moron navigating with a GPS is going to still be a moron navigating with a map and compass. It's not the tools that turn people into idiots. Plenty of people got lost or had a bad sense of direction before the age of GPS navigation. This is not a new phenomenon.

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    6. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah most people will die for other reasons (like not having food) and maps are sort of low on the priority list - especially since you'd likely be on foot and not get very far. In any event, it's not like they are hard to learn. You can even teach someone nautical navigation in a few weeks and have them be pretty proficient.

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    7. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      What purpose does a compass serve? Just to know what direction you are facing? No, that would be pretty useless. It's for navigation. And GPS definitely replaces it completely for navigation. Sure, it can't give you an instantaneous direction, but take a few steps and it tells you gives you a more accurate heading than a compass.

      Also, you seem to think middle-aged people are millennials.

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    8. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      What purpose does a compass serve? Just to know what direction you are facing?

      Yes. Thats what it does.

      The key to asking pointed questions in an argument is to know the actual answer first. You didn't. Fail.

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    9. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Wow, way to miss the point. Rock on, Rockoon.

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    10. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      if only there were a way to tell which direction was north without some sort of device....

      Oooh do you know a method? I've heard that you can use this thing called the sun, but I only saw the sun once this year briefly when it wasn't overcast, and I live far enough north that it neither rose in the east nor set in the west.

      What is the method?

    11. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'completely' is a stretch. But it's edge cases for the compass.

      Orienteering is fun. Especially setting up the courses, if you're a little sadistic. Run them through poison oak, they won't forget that lesson (watch where you step as well as where you're going), easier than a broken leg.

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    12. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually if you want to get away from the upheals and to a safe place, I would say, basic navigation skills are the most important thing when the appocalypse is comming.
      No idea why you think otherwise :)

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    13. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Life ain't a zombie movie - most of us would be the dead people in the cars, not the people running from zombies.

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    14. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Sure, there are niche uses for compasses... The find Mecca app probably uses the compass in your phone. I bet the starfinder apps use it to get a rough position. Same with the planefinder apps. Hell, I used to have fun testing my dead reckoning skills on a paper chart vs the GPS (and before that LORAN) on the sailboat. But the primary purpose of a compass is as an aid to navigation - and in that role it has been completely replaced. If you are a sea captain, hiker, survivalist, or something you still need to learn how to navigate with it for backup purposes - but the rest of us can safely ignore it.

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    15. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, than a simple observation would be: cars are evil :D

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    16. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Is the cloud so heavy where you live that you can't determine the approximate position of the sun by the differences in lightness across the sky?

      Genuinely curious, because it's never occurred to me that someone might not be able to determine where the sun is by looking at the sky during daylight hours.

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    17. Re:GPS causes brain damage /s by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      *Sigh* north western Europe.

      And honest answer, yes it actually is, especially in winter though occasionally in summer too.

  14. Oh Millennials, you are so funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Imagine, no cell phone either and if you broke down on the road, having to walk to find a pay phone (which no longer exists)

    Yeah, this was reality less than 20 years ago. wow, Millennials, the generation more out of touch with the past faster than any previous generation in existence. This goes along with the guy who "found" "free tv" using an antenna the other week.

    If shit every really does hit the fan and we start living in a post-apocalyptic world where tech no longer works, Millennials will be the first batch of people to just simply die off.

    1. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, 31 years of age, and you might just be one of 'em too. Funny how this twit never says anything about the post-millenials.

    2. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *less than 31, slashdot ate my birdbeak

    3. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      It honestly isn't just the young that would have this problem. Were I work I was the young guy for a long time until they hired a couple millennials. However I'm the only one in the office that doesn't own a smart phone, let alone a cell phone. Whenever it comes up everyone always questions what I'd do if my car broke down or something, like walking somewhere for help is just an impossible idea. Granted a cell phone or smart phone in such a circumstance could be very convenient. My issue is that it just isn't worth the cost for me. Even the cheapest possible phone and plan would cost me hundreds if not thousands of dollars for each really good use. I've been sans phone for 7 years now and haven't needed it once.

    4. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the cheaper (not cheapest) phones are $10 every 120 days. So that's 33 years between incidents in order to hit $1000. I'm not saying you need one, but most people vastly overpay.

    5. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      In college in the mid 90s, I asked my parents for a CB radio instead of a cell phone. Phones were still expensive and, in remote areas, barely functional. CB's would at least get a trucker to call the highway patrol at the next stop if you got into trouble.

    6. Re:Oh Millennials, you are so funny by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      "Millennials , the generation more out of touch with the past faster than any previous generation in existence."

      Well i think your wrong, because older people are the ones who assume that there will be maps and payphones. Melenials barely have a concept of those things so why would they expect them to be there and then be shocked when they aren't.
      Trust me, i have been in the same boat. Generally if you head to the tourist district of whatever town you are in, or an information kiosk, you can find ample maps. But i have tried to buy yellow road atlas maps, that were ubiquitous at gas stations, and also been told to go to walmart :(. I got the feeling that they no longer exist and always bring one from home now a days.

      The cel phone, in a few short years, has made entire products disappear. So it is shocking somewhat. I have a feeling, most people being cel phone users, that this has gone mostly unnoticed by mainstream society. But these are daily annoyances for those without phones.

      Payphones cost 50 cents now! for instance. Shocking to me when i finally found one.

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  15. other articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Check out the other articles in this series:

    "Going to a Restaurant Without Consulting Yelp: Can It Be Done?"

    and

    "Watching a TV Show without an Aggregate Review Score: One Man's Odyssey"

    True think-pieces for our age

    1. Re:other articles by eepok · · Score: 2

      I say that we all mod this up and call discussion done.

    2. Re:other articles by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      Deal

  16. Mandatory Life Skills by davesays · · Score: 1

    Cooking, swimming, map reading and navigating were all considered mandatory life skills in our house. You don't have to do them all every day, but you have to know how. My children learned to use a Tomas Brothers map in L.A.. Before they were old enough to drive I made them navigate.

  17. Big data won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And one day, when govt. or the super rich pull the plug, we'll be all lost, without any way to orient ourselves. Paper maps had one huge advantage over all this computer shite: they were locally stored.

    It is really a sad day to see that "NO-GPS road trip" is becoming something noteworthy.

  18. Was one of the first alpha testers of GPS by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    A long time ago, I was one of the first alpha testers of car-mounted GPS, along with dashboard radio and directions.

    After doing this for a couple of years, finding they froze when you went skiing and all that, I realized it was just a pain in the butt, and changed my driving from fun with the radio on and the top down to worry and stress.

    So, at the end of the program, I turned it in, and never used GPS while driving ever again.

    It's way better this way. Only serfs become slaves to their tools.

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  19. TripTik by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the 80s my family moved over a thousand miles away for dad to go to school. We were AAA members, and my parents visited the local AAA and got a TripTik. It seems they still have them (at least in name - seems to be an app or something now), but back then it was a linear map that was bound at the top. You would flip through the pages and the roadway you were to take was always oriented up / down along the paper. They would custom build it for you, inserting the appropriate sheets into the booklet, to get you to your destination. Then of course you could follow it backwards for the return trip. I remember they even manually highlighted the route, and would mark areas of construction on the map. They would also show points of interest and good places to stop.

    Here are some pictures (random sources off the internet that match what I remember):
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/00...

    Fold out detail:
    https://yearofadventure.files....

    Here's one that's been stamped marking an area where delays might occur:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-2gf...

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    1. Re:TripTik by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Alas, the AAA doesn't do anything that useful any more. In fact, about a year ago they discontinued a whole bunch of detail maps in favor of broader area maps. You have to pay to use their DMV services, so you don't get that any more. If you can afford to pay for your own tows and get reimbursed, you might as well just get roadside assistance from your insurance company.

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    2. Re:TripTik by Solandri · · Score: 1

      TripTiks are now available online and downloadable to a mobile app. Which makes a lot more sense than printing it on a half-ream of paper. You can still print it at home if you really want.

      A lot of the detail maps are still available if you tell them in advance where you're going. They don't stock every map in every branch anymore, and need some time to ship the appropriate maps to your branch. And their travel guide books are still an incredibly handy resource to have (lists interesting places to see, restaurants, hotels) if you know you'll mostly be hanging around one or a few areas. Kind of an offline version of Yelp or TripAdvisor. Alas the mobile version of the travel guides is a very poor port to a PDF or eBook (when I checked earlier this year). So you have to stick with the paper ones for now.

      They charge for their DMV services, but it's pretty small (about $5-$15 added on to the regular DMV fees in my experience). Whether that beats having to wait 3 hours at the DMV depends on how much you make and how much you value your time (and how long the DMV waits are in your state - California sucks but it was near nonexistent in Massachusetts). In addition, I've actually found them more helpful and more knowledgeable than the average DMV staffer. When you ask a question, it seems like half the DMV staffers will tell you an outright wrong answer just to get rid of you. I have had to make multiple trips to the DMV (wasting even more hours of my time and days off) because of that. I'm beginning to wonder if one of their performance review metrics is how many customers per day they service, encouraging them to tell wrong info to make people with complex requests which will take more time go away.

      The roadside assistance is actually the one thing I don't think is worth it anymore at AAA. Too many credit cards and insurance companies provide the same thing.

    3. Re:TripTik by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Whether that beats having to wait 3 hours at the DMV depends on how much you make and how much you value your time (and how long the DMV waits are in your state - California sucks but it was near nonexistent in Massachusetts).

      I rarely have to wait longer than an hour, if I don't have the foresight to get an appointment. I have an appointment tomorrow for registration. I need to hand in my temporary registration in order to get my tags; My car passed smog, and all the fees are paid. My temporary registration actually expired in the end of last month, but since everything is paid up and I'm a white person driving an Audi, it wasn't actually important to get in there before the expiry.

      When you ask a question, it seems like half the DMV staffers will tell you an outright wrong answer just to get rid of you.

      Luckily, they don't seem to have that problem in my local office. Instead, we do have the problem that there's simply not enough staff for the load. I almost always wind up talking to the same employee, who is actually extremely efficient and knowledgeable. And since I always have my shit together, I generally know what will happen before I even get to the counter, how much it will cost me (new registrations aside) and what paperwork I need to have with me.

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    4. Re:TripTik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember those! That's how my father got to Topeka Kansas from Central NY in the late 70's. And to this day I still carry an atlas when I travel, or as my brother likes to call it, a book of Google Maps printed out. Anyway better to have it and not need it than to have the GPS fail during a journey leaving you with nothing.

    5. Re:TripTik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the 80s my family moved over a thousand miles away for dad to go to school. We were AAA members, and my parents visited the local AAA and got a TripTik. It seems they still have them (at least in name - seems to be an app or something now), but back then it was a linear map that was bound at the top. You would flip through the pages and the roadway you were to take was always oriented up / down along the paper. They would custom build it for you, inserting the appropriate sheets into the booklet, to get you to your destination. Then of course you could follow it backwards for the return trip. I remember they even manually highlighted the route, and would mark areas of construction on the map. They would also show points of interest and good places to stop.

      Here are some pictures (random sources off the internet that match what I remember):
      https://img0.etsystatic.com/00...

      Fold out detail:
      https://yearofadventure.files....

      Here's one that's been stamped marking an area where delays might occur:
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-2gf...

      As long as 4700 years ago in Old Kingdom Egypt, trip guides using papyrus, folded in a succession with annotations (move your asses up the canyon on the left that has the gnarled old beobab tree . . .), guided Egyptians travelling to gold mining sites in the Egyptian and Nubian deserts.

    6. Re:TripTik by Gnostic+Teflon · · Score: 1

      As long as 4700 years ago in Old Kingdom Egypt, trip guides using papyrus, folded in a succession with annotations (move your asses up the canyon on the left that has the gnarled old beobab tree . . .), guided Egyptians travelling to gold mining sites in the Egyptian and Nubian deserts.

    7. Re:TripTik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Ancient Egypt, the priests would make you a HieroglyphTik!

  20. For young people and forgetful old fogies by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    You think that texting while driving is a problem? Try being by yourself and having to drive and consult a map while driving. It can be just as dangerous. OK, maybe if you have someone riding with you who can play navigator it's not too bad, but I can only tell you in my experience I definitely remember being incredibly frustrated with passengers completely unable to read a map. I can read a map and I remember in the early part of the 2000s being in Spain and playing navigator with a really good map while a friend drove and you would not believe the nightmare we had trying to leave Sevilla. Almost none of the roads had street signs on them, so while I had a map that showed exactly how to get out of town and on a main highway, it was impossible to track our progress on the map and get to the exit, which required a few road changes. After an hour of basically driving in circles (it was late at night by the way) and trying desperately to find our way out, I spied a road sign to an exit road and it took some driving heroics but we got on it. I don't miss the pre-GPS days at all. Might as well take a horse and buggy trip to another state as far as I'm concerned. The old pre-GPS days weren't all that great.

    1. Re:For young people and forgetful old fogies by asylumx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try being by yourself and having to drive and consult a map while driving. It can be just as dangerous.

      So you do the same thing you should be doing with your phone: you pull over, put the car in park, and pour over the maps until you figure it out.

      If you think it's tough in a car, try doing it in a plane sometime. In that case pulling over is not such a trivial task.

    2. Re:For young people and forgetful old fogies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least your plane's not going to crash into anything while you're looking at the map.
      Three dimensions and some altitude give you a lot of empty space.

    3. Re:For young people and forgetful old fogies by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Well actually yes...it's called "the ground"

    4. Re:For young people and forgetful old fogies by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      A great many aviation accidents (especially small aircraft without special warning systems) have occurred for similar reasons(mostly referring to CFITs due to loss of situational awareness coupled with navigation errors, especially in bad visibility conditions); though I can't find any such accidents involving airliners, it seems probable that this has transpired once or more at some point in history. Three dimensions give you an additional source of navigational complexity, and the space might not always be so empty; most aircraft don't get to cruise at 30000+ feet.

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    5. Re:For young people and forgetful old fogies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > you pull over, put the car in park, and [pore] over the maps

      Try doing that in any UK city. You'll be ticketed before you've unfolded your map because there's nowhere to stop legally. Consider yourself lucky if you're stuck in rush-hour traffic so that finding a place to stop is essentially done for you.

  21. Please. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    This is ridiculous - something a twentysomething writer would come up with, thinking he was being clever. Map-making was, and is, a thing - only the medium has changed. Detailed maps have been plentiful and easy to come by far longer than I've been alive.

    We used to do road trips sans GPS every summer. Sure, you might take a wrong turn occasionally... but GPS-enabled maps are not infallible. On more than one occasion, I've had Waze direct me down a road which didn't go through. Heck, I've had Google Maps tell me to turn left across an impossibly backed up major road during rush hour - the exact sort of situation I'd expect it to help me avoid.

    GPS is handy, and our modern tech is great... but the "old way" wasn't bad either.

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    1. Re:Please. by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      And just think... people used to hop into a wooden boat and sail across the ocean with nothing but a compass and a sextant.

    2. Re:Please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twentysomething here.

      My parents taught me how to read a map and how to interpret road signs at about the same age as I was getting the hang of chapter books. From then until when I moved out, I was the family navigator in the car. I was expected to pick out the correct map before the trip, study it, select the best route, pay attention to the road, and give timely and concise instructions to the driver. I took it as a point of pride that I never got us lost. As an adult, I've figured out that they knew the route ahead of time and picked destinations that were within my ability, but I sure didn't know that as a kid! :)

      It seems that a lot of my peers didn't have that experience. My parents were evidently the exception in teaching me basic life skills. So when I hear older people whining about helpless Millennials, I can't help but wonder what Boomer and Gen X parents expect to happen when they can't be bothered to actually raise their children.

  22. Interstates are your friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Get on I65 South in Louisville until you come to I40. Go east.
    Or, get on I71 east, until you get to I75 South, then pick up I40 east.

    Who needs a map?

  23. Big freaking deal by Varka · · Score: 1

    NORTH CAROLINA TO KENTUCKY? He's lucky he wasn't eaten by cannibals or found dead after the spring thaw. This is a stupid article. It's not even ironically amusing, it's just pathetic.

  24. Sad state of affairs.. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Seriously. With the proliferation and addiction of cellphones, cheap gps and mobile internet, I'm honestly surprised anybody even knows how to read a map anymore.

    This is a good experience for the lot of you. Next time, get you a nice up-to-date atlas and plan your trip ahead of time. This sort of thing should be a requirement for high school graduation.

    Don't let your analog skills diminish to the point that you are relearning the basics again. We are all spoiled with always connected internet access, cheap GPS, personal assistants, and a host of other connected devices designed to take the brainpower out of everything and extend your comfort zone into dangerous places.

    This creates a huge weakpoint in our population. Imagine the crazy bullshit that would kick off if an EMP was to go off over a large American city, or a solar-flare blasts the entire west coast. The possible scenarios that could result in the compromise of our beloved electrical grid, comms infrastructure, and emergency services range from mundane all the way up to apocalyptic. With the coming proliferation of electric vehicles and other form of green(er) energy, we will only become more vulnerable.

    Do yourself a favor. Don't let those analog skills die. Keep a map and compass with the flashlight/toolkit/blanket/water emergency kit you keep in your trunk. Use it from time to time, if for no other reason, than to remind yourself what a great investment that $1000+ cell phone is every 2 years.

    Keep a good pair of hiking boots around too, you can thank me later.

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    1. Re:Sad state of affairs.. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Basic land nav really is becoming a lost skill. I have a cousin who was a weekend warrior for a while and he even lacks navigation skills without a GPS and detailed map. A few years back he shot a deer and it ran about 2 miles from where his stand was. Once we found it he wanted to drag it back out the way we came insisting that we weren't on the other side of the hill from my stand. I tried to convince him that my stand was only about 100 yards east and if we just walked that direction a short way we would hit the clear trail but he didn't believe we were that far south.

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    2. Re:Sad state of affairs.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't you be stockpiling ammunition and mixed, desiccated vegetables right now? If something compromises our electrical grid, comms infrastructure, and emergency services, we'll all be too busy dying from radiation poisoning to worry about going on a spur-of-the-moment family road trip to the picturesque Ozarks.

  25. The Old Fashioned Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Printed maps! How quaint.

  26. Darwin in action by Thud457 · · Score: 1
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  27. Does he want a prize? by BellyJelly · · Score: 1

    Seriously, what's so clever about ditching GPS? Anyone over the age of 40 has done this without considering it a big deal (or worthy of posting on /.). People traversed continents for centuries without GPS. For those who post about how dangerous it is to look at maps while driving - don't. Whenever I took a long road trip in the days before GPS I consulted the map beforehand and made simple notes - what junction to take, which direction etc. Hardly rocket science.....

    1. Re:Does he want a prize? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I wonder if perhaps the problem is that those of us who grew up with paper maps and navigation use online maps in a different way. I use Google Maps all the time because it's traffic-aware and will reroute me when snarls occur (which has saved many hours), but I almost always look at the route before I set out so that I have some idea of what to expect. I think many of the GPS-only types really don't know how to use a map to navigate, so they're just doing what Ms. Google says, blindly. You have to have some idea of where you're going, though, because GPS sometimes gets very confused about where it is...

  28. roadtrip 101 by mdpowell · · Score: 2

    Around 2000, I spent over a month one summer driving around the US with camping gear, a stack of AAA maps, AAA books for each state listing campgrounds, and no plan other than to see interesting things like national parks. I drove around 10,000 miles. Most mornings, I spread out a map on the picnic table and figured out where to go that day and where I would be able to sleep or shop if necessary. No GPS and a basic analog/digital cell phone that kind of worked (analog, $0.69/minute roaming) in most non-mountain areas. It was an unforgettable experience. It's a shame if newer travelers are unable to experience some of these things.

    As the driver found out, USA atlas with 1-2 pages per state should be in the toolkit purely as a backup map. AAA still has good state-level paper maps that are usable for everything except in-city driving and are good for trip planning even with a GPS.

    On most trips, I still try to carry the state-level maps and usually use them a couple of times for something. I have yet to see a good way on a small-screen phone or GPS to answer questions like "how far away is the coast," or "how much out of our way would it be to go to that town" or "what's the next sizable town within 2 miles of the road we are on," which a glance at a paper map answers. GPS will tell you the closest town but it may be way off your route.

    I do think GPS has been a big benefit for safety. Reading maps while driving was never safe but often necessary before GPS.

    1. Re:roadtrip 101 by Darth+Twon · · Score: 1

      AAA also has a lot of city maps as well, at least the big ones. Saved me many times!

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    2. Re:roadtrip 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did the same kind of thing in New Zealand a few years ago, only without the camping gear. Cell reception was spotty if that outside population centers, but the only hard part was finding a room for the night wherever we ended up each day. Saw all kinds of interesting stuff that you only find by going out and looking to see what's around and met lots of helpful people along the way. Electronic voices just can't compete with old fashioned local knowledge.

    3. Re:roadtrip 101 by swillden · · Score: 1

      First, I'll mention that I'm old enough that I used to navigate all the time without GPS. I traveled a lot for business from the mid 90s until about 2010, and didn't start using GPS navigation until ~2005. Almost every week for a decade I was finding my way around a different city, getting from the airport car rental location to the hotel, to the customer site (or sites) to restaurants, etc., all with nothing more than paper maps and road signs. So I know that not only is it possible, it's not even hard. It does require having the paper maps (rental car agencies still hand them out on demand) and it requires more preparation and more time -- and if you don't want to be late also generally involves arriving at destinations fairly early, because although you can estimate distances and times from the map, you know nothing about local traffic and road conditions.

      Now, I use Google Maps even when I know exactly where I'm going, around my own home town, because I like to see the computed ETA. It's way, way better than I am at guessing travel time, especially since it factors in real-time traffic. On occasion doing this has saved me a bunch of time, too, because it has routed me around accidents and road closures and whatnot.

      All in all, I greatly prefer GPS navigation over paper maps. About the only thing I think I've lost is that with paper maps you always end up with a sense of the relative locations of things. With GPS navigation you can travel a city for weeks without ever learning your way around.

      I have yet to see a good way on a small-screen phone or GPS to answer questions like "how far away is the coast,"

      If you just want a rough idea, pinch zoom out to where you can see the coast, then judge the distance from the little distance scale. If you want a more precise idea, it's probably because you would like to know how long it would take to get there. Pick a reasonable point and ask the phone to navigate there, and you'll get a very precise answer, both distance and time. Better than you're going to get from a paper map.

      "how much out of our way would it be to go to that town"

      Now that Google Maps supports searching along your route, this is easy, and the answer is very precise. I just say "Okay Google <town name>". Maps shows me the city center, with a notation saying how much time it will add to my trip to go there. If the town is big enough that I don't want the city center, I have it search for gas stations in the city. Maps will find a list of gas stations in the town and near my route, and show me all of them marked on the map, with a notation indicating how much time it will add to my trip if I go to each. This works fine even if the town in question is off-route.

      what's the next sizable town within 2 miles of the road we are on

      This one is more difficult, but can be done with a little zooming and scrolling to look along the road/route. The trick of searching for gas stations can also be used (without specifying town name) or modified to find something else that indicates a sizable town. Odds are you don't want a "sizable" town anyway, but instead are looking for some specific amenity: restaurant, hotel, golf course, etc., which you're not likely to find in a town that's nothing more than a wide spot in the road. So search for the amenity and see what comes up.

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    4. Re:roadtrip 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you believe a word, they need more tourists, Mauri aren't getting enough protein. It's a conspiracy.

    5. Re:roadtrip 101 by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I do think GPS has been a big benefit for safety. Reading maps while driving was never safe but often necessary before GPS.

      If you need to sit staring at a map whilst driving, you were never taught to use maps properly. Most of us managed to navigate using maps whilst keeping both eyes on whats around you. Remembering back to the orienteering I did in high school (many, many moons ago now), you don't wander around with your head in a map, you find points on the map you can see and use those as directional indicators. I was actually quite good at it, I can read a map for a minute or two, then remember my route by various cues (2 sets of lights then a left, right at the Tesco... so on and so forth).

      I still do the same with my GPS although I like my GPS because it tells me what lane I need to be in ahead of time. I like this because I don't want to be that jerk holding up traffic trying to get into a packed lane at the last minute.

      I have yet to see a good way on a small-screen phone or GPS to answer questions like "how far away is the coast," or "how much out of our way would it be to go to that town" or "what's the next sizable town within 2 miles of the road we are on," which a glance at a paper map answers. GPS will tell you the closest town but it may be way off your route.

      Try using Google maps.

      If it cant be automatically answered, you can see for yourself by looking at the map. In addition to this, it tells you exactly where you are so you're not guessing as to your location.

      I've never had the issue you've described using Google maps on my phone, then again I was taught proper orienteering as school with maps and compasses, not those nice compact things but massive ones made from wood and wrought iron, the kind of compass Brunel would have made. Its still a useful skill, I went to a hillclimb event recently. I pulled up a topo(graphical map) of southern England from the internets (overlaid onto Google maps oddly enough) and found the best place to park so I didn't have walk up the entire hill to get from my car to trackside.

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    6. Re:roadtrip 101 by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Also I vividly remember the arguments, I lost count of the number of times my mother threw the map book at my father. GPS kinda stopped those as well, can't say I miss them. My wife and I both have a crap sense of direction, when we were going somewhere new we would have to build in extra travel time, because we ALWAYS got fucking lost. Still get lost occasionally even with GPS, but that's usually due to entering the incorrect details (although not always). Sometimes (especially when we haven't updated in a while) we will end up in a dead end because the GPS still thinks there is a road there. Once we ended up on some dudes farm, he was not impressed, seems a lot of people ended up in his driveway.

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    7. Re:roadtrip 101 by Gnostic+Teflon · · Score: 1

      As for reading maps while driving, one needed a Personal Digital Assistant with Optical Recognition (your travel partner handling and reading a paper map) and Audio Response (to tell you when and where to turn) to effortlessy get to one's destination.

  29. This is NOT "how you used to do it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You used to look at a map and follow the path. This idiot is driving freelance off in to neverland while not understanding how a map works.

  30. Can't even get from home to the highway? by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    This guy's an idiot. I'm all in agreement that road signs are inadequate, and most places don't have anywhere near enough (other than specific tourist destinations like the Orlando area (where it's probably sponsored)), but there ARE such things as printed maps, or pre-trip research on Google Maps, or just knowing the area that you live in.

  31. Clear, timely signs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clear and timely signs in a congested urban area. GOOD ONE!!

  32. For Shorter Experiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try doing the same with your bike, but without maps and relying only on the road signs, your memory and sense of direction. Your survival and finding back home is the price.

  33. REI by sycodon · · Score: 1

    REI still hawks and provides a course on using a compass. They charge quite a bit for it and push it pretty hard in all their emails.

    But the REI stores don't carry paper Topo navigation maps anymore. All the store help knows is "get a Garmin".

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    1. Re:REI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Boy Scouts still learn orienteering and map/compass. They don't charge much of anything for all the training the boys get. If you have any useful skill, you can find a troop near you to join as an adult leader and learn all the stuff the boys do if you didn't do it before.

    2. Re:REI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just read a book on orienteering. Or go to any one of the many websites on the subject. You can download USGS quads for free and print them yourself, buy nice waterproof ones, and there are easy services to stitch them together and make a custom map to your preferences at relatively low cost.

      Easy peasy. Any backpacker that truly goes into the wilderness (where distance and tree cover make GPS/phones worthless) must have these skills and knowledge. They are around, ask one.

    3. Re:REI by Baleet · · Score: 1

      Years ago I learned how to use a map and compass with just the instructions out of my cheap compass bought at REI. As the man said, I was never lost, though I was considerably confused from time to time. I survived and learned to navigate by map and compass. The satisfaction is immeasurable. Having said that, I love Google Maps for when I have to be somewhere by a certain time and am traveling by car. The biggest value, in my opinion, is the real-time traffic updates and alternate routes.

    4. Re: REI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your REI doesn't sell maps ?

    5. Re:REI by thsths · · Score: 1

      Which is very nice, but a compass does not work well in a car made from ferrous metal.

      A sense of direction is an instinct, you either have it, or you don't. I have used a smartphone for 10 years now to navigate, and I still use the map on the screen as a mental model to be applied to reality. That means you need to figure out where North is, what the map is showing you, and how it applies to the streets in front of you. Nothing has really changed from a paper map, except that you can zoom now.

      And there is the blue arrow for your position. Somehow my paper map never had that.

    6. Re:REI by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Just read a book on orienteering.

      Map-and-compass navigation in the real world requires practice.

      I know, it's shocking. But it's true. These intellectual skills need to be practised, and then re-used to retain the skill.

      No, there's not an app for that. You, yourself, with your attention, need to do the practice. In real time, with real footsteps, over real uneven terrain. Horizontal hail and incipient hypothermia are optional, but do inject a certain degree of urgency into the exercise.

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    7. Re:REI by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Which is very nice, but a compass does not work well in a car made from ferrous metal.

      True. But if you're in a car, then you're on either a metalled road, or in a ditch next to a metalled road, and that itself excludes 97-99% of the map from consideration (higher outside cities).

      I believe there are some types of vehicle which can drive off-road (actually, I've driven such myself), but almost all of these never do leave the road, and most of those that do follow the tracks of previous vehicles (even if they were horse-drawn carts).

      A sense of direction is an instinct, you either have it, or you don't.

      You don't, even if you think you do.

      It is almost certain that I'm a far more experienced navigator than you - both above and below ground, and in areas with wildly varying local magnetic fields (compass reading changes up to 90degrees/ 5m travel) as well as areas with slowly varying magnetic fields. I'm a damned sight better than most people at counting "60 degrees leftwards for 30m, then 40 deg right for 50m while ascending 5-7m" to do "dead reckoning", underground (no external cues except bedding in the limestone), and I know that I don't have a "sense of direction" instinct. I do have better tracking than most, through practice, but it's no instinct. And I do not trust it. My friends in the Mountain Rescue and Cave Rescue teams have lots of experience in finding people who did believe that they had a sense of direction. Some of them were dead by the time their corpses were found. It's a boring occurrence for them.

      If you seriously believe that there is a "sense of direction" in humans, you're best advised to stop talking about it, get yourself to a research lab to prove it (you'll fail) and then spend the rest of your days being bred-up to propagate your unique genes. Think of the military advantages for the brainwashed bottle-fertilised cyborg soldiers your sex organs would be used to create. (or ... would it be cheaper to remove the sex organs and lock you in a psychiatric ward with Napoleon and Jesus? That's an accountancy problem.)

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  34. Back in my day by jmyers · · Score: 1

    Back in my day I didn't have GPS or cell phones. I did field service for point of sale systems going to mom and pop stores all of the southeast in tiny little towns. I was usually given directions by my boss that were similar to a Larry the Cable guy skit.I had no problem reading a map, changing the am radio station, shifting gears, drinking a beer, while smoking a cigarette. Kids today just can't multitask.

    1. Re:Back in my day by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      My grandpa was a dab hand at steering with his knees while he lit his pipe. If he needed to change gears he'd do the clutch and I'd push the stick.

  35. No, it's not by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    See, this is the way you used to do it. You keep driving.

    This is not how you used to do it. This is what you do now because GPS will update for you. If you're using a map, then you pull over and find the road you're on or ask someone. In the worst case you keep driving until you find a cross road that is on the map too.

    You may keep driving if you have decent sense of direction and know that you can get back on your route. But obviously this person was not capable of that. And you certainly don't decide to get a map while your already lost. Hell, I still keep an atlas in the back seat pocket, just in case.

  36. My flying days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Back when I was a rich guy and could afford $80 a Hobb's hour to fly, an acquaintance of mine answered this when asked," What's your flight plan?"

    He held up his aviation Garmin and said this, "Right here!"

    Garmin's are flaky to this day. He ended up on my tail - with my charts and everything.

    Technology fails. It will fail.

    Gimme a compass and an altimeter and I'll find my way ....

    1. Re:My flying days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Back when I was a rich guy and could afford $80 a Hobb's hour to fly, an acquaintance of mine answered this when asked," What's your flight plan?"

      He held up his aviation Garmin and said this, "Right here!"

      Garmin's are flaky to this day. He ended up on my tail - with my charts and everything.

      Technology fails. It will fail.

      Gimme a compass and an altimeter and I'll find my way ....

      Ah, those blissful hours in a Stearman biplane with map/flightplan booklet strapped to my thigh, compass & alt on the instrument panel, and a pair a field-glasses hung around my neck for spotting distant landmarks! It saddens me greatly that so few will ever have such an experience. As much as it is a spirit-liberating experience, it also helps destroy any grand illusions one may have and provides a hard reality-check regarding one's size and importance in this universe.

  37. Are you kidding me? by Jethro · · Score: 1

    Look, I love technology as much as the next guy (possibly much more when the next guy isn't on slashdot), but... I mean... really?

    Roads and cars do not need GPS to function. They have existed in more-or-less the same form for decades and have not really changed since GPS became mainstream.

    I usually absolutely disagree with alarmists that say technology is going to "ruin" people, but seriously, if people consider being able to drive your car to a different state without GPS to be "an accomplishment", I think we have a problem.

    A few years back I went to a foreign country and my GPS stopped working. I somehow managed to navigate by looking at a map and planning ahead and then reading road signs. I guess I'm friggin batman.

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  38. When? by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...did a road trip become rocket science that requires a computer?

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    1. Re:When? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      From the summary, apparently with one block when the idiot didn't know he was on a dead-end road.

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    2. Re:When? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I read about folks getting lost, even killed, by following GPS generated "maps" (routes) is that it looks like GPS is about as good as humans at reading a map. 10% get As and everything else is iffy at best.

  39. Welcome Centers by JimFive · · Score: 1

    As far as I know every interstate still has rest areas and some of them are called "Welcome Centers". They have free maps of the state you're in and sometimes the neighboring states as well. Usually, the welcome centers are near the state borders but some of them are more in the middle of the state.
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  40. The problem is not GPS itself, but slavish devotio by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I use GPS apps a lot - but not so much for directions. Or sometimes I use them to find where something else, but then I do a lot of my own navigation to get there because I have a better idea of a route I want to take than the app does...

    There are all kinds of stories of people following GPS directions to do crazy things, but there's an even bigger problem of following directions where it's not a huge problem, just sub-optimal when just glancing at the map would quickly have let you choose a better immediate path.

    So don't throw away that GPS, instead start navigating again with the phone as an ever-ready source of mostly accurate maps.

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  41. "When I was a young whippersnapper..." Re:Please. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    This is ridiculous - something a twentysomething writer would come up with, thinking he was being clever

    Indeed. I used paper maps all the time for about 3 decades. Might as well write about "life before cars" or "what's it like to be a cowboy". In this case you don't even have to try it yourself, just ask us fogies, we're still here!

    I do have an odd little "lost" story, though. Once on a lone biz trip to Washington DC area I decided to do some sight-seeing. On my way back to my motel, I ended up lost as my paper maps were failing me. I spotted a big hotel/restaurant/ball-room and decided to stop in for help (and pee).

    There were rows and rows of long dinner tables with appetizers on them ready to be eaten, but NO PEOPLE! I kept walking around looking for a person, anybody, but came up empty. It was like a ghost-town with hungry ghosts.

    I was about to give up and leave, when I turned a corner and nearly collided into a dinner servant. We were both very surprised and stared at each other wide-eyed. She gave me directions, thankfully, and I was on may way. She was the only person I encountered there. The tune "Hotel California" always brings up that memory.

  42. Good Idea by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Although I do all my road trips mostly using my phone maps, I always carry an atlas of the U.S. when driving and have had to use it at times when I visited some small cities far from the highway and had to go on to new destinations I could not look up...

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  43. you can decorate your walls with it! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Hey everybody, they Google maps on paper now!

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  44. Using maps by larryjoe · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the Popular Mechanics reporter is just showing what happens when previously common skills are allowed to atrophy in favor of new convenient tools. This is a common occurrence, e.g., driving a stick shift.

    I still remember planning out cross-country road trips using just a road atlas. I wrote down turn-by-turn instructions along with mileage hints that I would use by mentally keeping track of the last odometer reading (back when my odometer showed tenths of miles). Because I had to actually keep alert watching out for road signs and odometer readings, I found that I actually missed fewer turns than I do now by relying solely on the GPS.

    1. Re:Using maps by Holi · · Score: 1

      Funny, I have maps in my truck and it's a manual.
      Fuck I am old.

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  45. back in the day of just printed maps from goolge + by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    back in the day of just printed maps from google + map books.

    I was on a trip at hit big traffic and had to look at an map with limited detail of the area to get off and go though a few local roads to get back on the other side of the backup (car cash + road work + big event + under sized highway) the other way going into the work zone was like an 2-3+ mile jam. Later in the trip I missed the right way at an ramp split and had to ask at an gas station down the road on how to get to my destination (ended being just keep going a bit more till the next highway and get on) From the limited detail map I saw that other road just did not know if it was an full interchange / how far.

    Now if I had an phone I am of been able to live traffic + rerouting info (but this was years ago) and maybe with an GSP I would of gotten better ramp / lane info (when was that added? to most of them)

  46. Holistic approach by Lusa · · Score: 1

    I use the holistic approach. Surely someone else is going where I'm going so I follow them :)

    1. Re:Holistic approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that once when lost in D.C. Just picked someone with a license plate from the state I was trying to go to and followed them till I got on the right highway. Worked great!

    2. Re:Holistic approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use the holistic approach. Surely someone else is going where I'm going so I follow them :)

      My mother in law did that on a family trip when my wife was a kid. They were going from Wisconsin to Denver, Colorado. My father in law normally drove, but needed to take a nap as he had worked all day before departing. He woke up when they got to Kansas City. When he asked why, she replied she was just following that nice semi truck.

  47. Re:"When I was a young whippersnapper..." Re:Pleas by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    There were rows and rows of long dinner tables with appetizers on them ready to be eaten, but NO PEOPLE! I kept walking around looking for a person, anybody, but came up empty. It was like a ghost-town with hungry ghosts.

    Makes me think of "Spirited Away"... probably a good thing you didn't eat the food. ;-)

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  48. Plenty of blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nanny state government, helicopter parents, whiny ass teachers, drug warriors, etc. I mean this generation is going to be in power soon and they can't find their way around without GPS. This guy doesn't even know his own city well enough.

    At least he's making an attempt anyway.

    But for a generation raised on playdates and everything scheduled for them I just don't know. If you can't figure out your own city streets, if fear keeps you from walking around your own neighborhood or trying a restaurant without reading reviews, maybe you should pack it up.

  49. I Did That... by rally2xs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...for decades. I'm 70. It works, but it sucks. Basically you have to read the make, MEMORIZE your turns, and then go. On interstates, that'll take you a long ways, but in town? Forget it, you're going to have to stop after a while and memorize the next set of turns if it goes on too long. Then of course there's the question of whether this is the right turn or is it the interesection that is 200 feet up the road. Signs? Signs? We don't need no steekin' signs.... yes we do, but if they're the size of a postage stamp, it matters with a map, not so much with a GPS. And then there's the signs that are big enough, but have 6 trees growing up around them and are covered with a poison ivy plant yet to boot.

    Driving has always been an adventure, but we don't have to get silly about it. Use the GPS...

  50. As Confucius said by mbierenfeld · · Score: 1

    the route is the goal :-) Nuff said

  51. He is missing an important tool by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

    He is missing an important tool: while in a gas station, ask about how to reach the destination, or at least, the next POI.

    1. Re:He is missing an important tool by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      You mean...ask for directions?

    2. Re:He is missing an important tool by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Gas stations are perfect for this. Sorry, English is not my native language :(

    3. Re:He is missing an important tool by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They have competent 'direction givers' at gas stations wherever you're from?

      In America, you'd be fucked, unless you found someone friendly with a GPS on his phone or car. Then you'd still be fucked, but slightly less, having had a glimpse at a map.

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    4. Re:He is missing an important tool by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

      Hm, right, thanks for sharing this info. Indeed, my bad to assume every country will be the same regarding this. To answer your question: yes, it's different here. The gas station are always big (it's a lucrative business), and the customer (driver) don't handle the gas pump. There are always 2 or 3 employees to handle it for you. And it's almost mandatory they're friendly (as they'll try to sell you additional services). So, last time I gone to a unknown place with no GPS signal, I just asked directions at the gas station.

    5. Re:He is missing an important tool by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      No problem. Your english is very good. But you're missing a cultural reference/stereotype.

      Here in the US, so the stereotype goes, men don't ask for directions. Asking for directions is a sign of weakness. You figure it out for yourself. There are various jokes about men refusing to ask for directions (which is why they bring women along, so they can ask for directions).

    6. Re:He is missing an important tool by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Self service pumps, one or two employees inside, selling coffee and ringing up customers. Too busy to help, also usually clueless. They'll usually be able to point you to the nearest highway, but beyond that?

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  52. The problem with maps by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

    I'm old enough that I have used maps. Reading them is the easy part. the hard part is getting the !@#$ things folded up and put back in the glove box. Nobody I knew ever managed to do that right!

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    1. Re:The problem with maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can fold a paper road map back up. I have a geography degree. Required for graduation.

    2. Re:The problem with maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From underneath the bonnet,
      There came a dreadful curse,
      As father tried to fold the map,
      The way it was at first.

  53. How can they live? by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that long ago (a bit more than a decade or so) Cars didn't have GPS. Long before we had them at all, I used to drive regularly from Detroit to DC and Texas. I could even make it back from those destinations! :O

    When I moved from Detroit to CA, I planned my route with maps and drove based on my instructions with maps as a backup. I can tell East from West by looking at the Sun, so I can tell if I'm going the right direction. All of this stuff used to be 2nd nature to people. Now I have to read about some person's heroic effort to travel about 500 miles? Really?

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    1. Re:How can they live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and me both.

      Welcome to old age. This is what it feels like: watching millennials struggle with the most basic of skills once possessed by everyone over 18 years of age and most over 14.

    2. Re:How can they live? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      The summary even says the guy couldn't tell he started on a dead end street.

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    3. Re:How can they live? by quonset · · Score: 1

      Not trying to one up you, but when I graduated from high school several millennia ago, I took two weeks off and drove from PA, down Skyline Drive (Virginia), to North Carolina, cut over to the Smoky Mountains, came up through Tennessee and Kentucky, over to West Virginia then back home. All by using nothing but maps. And stayed at KOA campgrounds the whole time to boot. Not hotels.

      This was before cell phones so when I called home to let my parents know I was still alive I had to do collect calling.

      Of late I've been taking long distance vacations using Google maps to plan my route and make notes, but that's it. I don't have a "smart" phone so I wouldn't be able to consult one any way. 4,300 miles was this last trip.

      It's people like this author who make the phrase, "I weep for this generation", so relatable.

    4. Re:How can they live? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      You are allowed to try and 1 up people. Competition is healthy!

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  54. Ever lost GPS Signal? by jediborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ever been halfway to your destination when "Satellite signal lost" is heard over the speaker? Then you miss an important exit in the time it takes the GPS to regain signal and re-calculate? This happened several times for me, along with the realization that I was becoming more and more directionally challenged by relying 100% on GPS. I still use GPS to this day. But you know what? Usually before you click the 'guide me with your sweet voice, robot lady' button, the GPS app (google maps for me) plots out a course on a map for you that is zoomable and superior to any written map. I take a few minutes to analyze the route, using my brain to plot out the course and making notes of possible alternative routes. This way you have the course in your head, you can still get there if the GPS signal is lost or the app crashes, you are still exercising the part of your brain that modern humans should keep, and you can rely on the GPS lady until things go awry.

    I recommend all humans do this, you never know when you will be without a GPS device in your hometown (or even farther!) trying to get home. Its a basic survival technique, and I have learned over the years not to let basic survival techniques be lost to technological dependence. (e.g. know how to use CPR, and don't expect to be able to look up on youtube 'how to perform CPR' in an emergency)

    Also: If you live in America and you are going from one state to another, you don't really need GPS, or a map to get there. The roads are numbered according to orientation, the signs are aplenty leading you to the next major destination. If you are in New Mexico and want to go to Denver, just follow signs for 'Pueblo' then follow signs for 'Denver'. Its probably the most user-friendly road navigation system ever created.

    1. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More handy tips: Interstate highways in the US are odd-numbered for north-south routes and even-numbered for east-west routes. Three-digit interstate numbers are usually ring roads or connect interstates in an area.

    2. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I've never heard "satellite signal lost". That would be a surprising one.

      That said, I have been in NW Nevada crossing into CA and going over Tioga Pass into Yosemite, where there is no cell service to be had. The GPS kept working, and the directions still did their thing - even though the phone couldn't load the map. The funniest thing was that we were surrounded by all these giant mountains, and it worked - but a few years later, in Asheville, the mountain-stubs around us would kill GPS reception constantly.

    3. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Ever been halfway to your destination when "Satellite signal lost" is heard over the speaker?

      Never had that problem using Google Maps.

      Most modern devices are capable of extrapolating your location using the last known location, vector and current speed until the satellite connection is re-established.

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    4. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by istartedi · · Score: 1

      It goes deeper. A 3-digit Interstate that begins with an even number is a bypass or beltway. If it begins with an odd number it takes you in and out of a city: e.g., 495 is the Capital Beltway. 395 takes you into DC. There's more info here

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    5. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the statement "Map data in this are is not available, please proceed with caution." Often occurs in mountainous terrain. Paper maps are often available for free in welcome centers on interstate highways. Pick some up on your next trip, They are useful for finding interesting places to visit, and give you situational awareness of where your trip will be taking you. People who let the GPS system lead them everywhere are often completely unaware of cardinal directions and cannot give meaningful directions to someone to guide them to their location. This can be a real problem in emergencies.

    6. Re:Ever lost GPS Signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try driving in DC where some of the highways are underground... complete with off-ramps.

  55. Typical guy problem by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    A girl just asks for directions.

    1. Re:Typical guy problem by Calydor · · Score: 1

      And then goes in the opposite direction because no man tells her what to do.

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  56. 2017 US Road Atlas... by cirby · · Score: 1

    $13.46 from Amazon Prime.

  57. Are millennials really that inept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never used a GPS and never had a single problem getting to a destination. This includes a 2,100 mile cross-country move from California to Illinois, visiting my brother in Indiana, and visiting relatives across California when I still lived there. The only modern convenience I use is Google Maps. A glance over of the optimum route to take, street view to get a visual reference of what to look for when I get near key turns, and estimated travel time. Once I have completed a trip once I never need to refer back to the map, repeat trips are completed off of visual memory alone. When I bought my first car I drove to my grandparent's house (4 hour drive) without any preparation, I already knew what roads and turns to make having looked out the window during the countless trips my parent's brought me on. Turn left at McDonald's, turn right at CircleK, it's not hard. What are Millennials doing when driving that prevents them from making mental notes of what they are seeing when driving?

  58. smdh by Holi · · Score: 1

    As someone who has been driving longer then GPS has been ubiquitous, this made me cringe and lament for mankind.

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  59. So.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    When people didn't have gps they generally found the right maps for the route before they left. If such common sense was utilized here it wouldn't have been much of a story.

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  60. Oh come on by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    When I was six years old, it was a game for me to try to figure out where we'd be in an hour or exactly when we'd get to our destination. Of course, most speed limits at the time were 60mph or 30mph, making it much easier.

    Through most of my life of driving, I've spent a couple of days when I first move to a place memorizing the map. I also have a really good sense of compass direction. So, if you know where you are in relation to the major roads in the area and can recognize the difference between smaller and larger roads going in the direction you want to go, you can usually get places efficiently without a map.

    I doubt that I've been "lost" more than a couple of dozen times in my life, and I rarely need maps.

    I turn on Google Drive for traffic guidance, not directions.

    This person's log shows a tremendous deficit in the training of what should be a basic human skill. There are many skills that derive from developing your innate sense of direction and ability to relate a map to where you're at. And I doubt those regions of the brain are very multipurpose. They would be highly developed by evolution. They've given up something that likely didn't free neural resources up for another intelligence gain.

    1. Re:Oh come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I turn on Google Drive for traffic guidance, not directions.

      To each his own, I guess. Personally, I turn on Google Drive for cloud document storage.

  61. Maps and GPS are both useful technology by wahini · · Score: 2

    My wife and I grew up using maps, and it's quite natural for us. I often use GPS especially for traveling, but my wife is resistant to using GPS, they steer you into lakes and lead you astray, etc. When I get online directions or use a GPS for long distance travel, I almost always check out the route to see if it makes sense. I often modify my route for a multitude of reasons such as; I know a different route is actually faster, construction I'm aware of, a different route is much more scenic and therefore worth the extra time, I know this route actually doesn't work, a new road not known by the map software and other misc. reasons.

    I recently went to a Best Western Hotel in Wisconsin that had been there for over 15 years. When I keyed in the address when I got near by (I used maps to get to the area), the address didn't exist on my GPS and I couldn't find it searching around. The road actually had 3 names, and I knew 2 of them, but neither worked on my GPS. I'm not sure if the one I didn't know would have worked, but I ended up calling the place and getting directions. It was still tricky to find, yet right on a major 2 lane highway.

    Following turn by turn directions on a GPS often aren't quick enough to get to the right side of the expressway for an exit in large downtown areas with many exits and moderate traffic.

    I hate it when GPS and online instructions tell me to get on a certain road going straight down the expressway, over and over again, when it's the same road I'm on or it combines with another one and no turning is involved. This is why I often transcribe online directions into something one eighth as long as the original.

    Ultimately, I never want to be without a GPS and at least a state map if I can help it.

  62. I tried this once. by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    Drove from New York to Texas (1500 miles) without GPS.

    I died.

    Bright side is I didn't have to live to see the day Popular Mechanics would print crap like TFA.

  63. Article conflates GPS and digital mapping by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1

    Having a zoomable map of the entire region trumps paper maps any day, regardless of whether the device is GPS-enabled or not.

  64. Here's the real story by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Blogger/Reporter admits he is slightly retarded. Too retarded to follow street signs, but not retarded enough to crash his car in the process.

  65. Jesus H Christ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use to drive the entire country with a 53 ft refer with as many a 50 drops., With only a Rand McNally Deluxe Motor Carriers' Road Atlas.
    Everyone grow the fuck up.

  66. Re:The problem is not GPS itself, but slavish devo by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 1

    Yes, I recently took a long trip with only a Garmin GPS and was frustrated by the times it would take us on some narrow winding road through the mountains that had an official speed limit of 55 mph, yet for most of the way you couldn't even go half that speed due to all the sharp bends in the road. Obviously the GPS's "fast" route was programmed according to the nominal speed limit -- not the actual speed that one could travel on that road. A paper map would surely have shown a better route. This has happened to me more than once.

  67. Problems of a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" - Paris Hilton or someone like that.

    This article isn't about GPS being needed, it's a tale of someone who doesn't know how to plan at all who fails at reading and following lines on a page. The author seems totally unfamiliar with what roads are and how directions work. For unknown reasons, he does not take any of the interstates that would get him directly there, and complains about traffic on small roads that go through small towns and larger cities.

    I don't know where in North Carolina he was going, but a complete list of directions to get you close enough that you should know the rest of the way from memory is either:
    64, 75, 40, 77 (Charlotte area)
    or
    64,77,74,40 (Raleigh and points east)

    All interstates, East on the even numbers, South on the odd numbers. If you can't tell this from looking at a static map, it's not your sense of direction at fault, it's a basic failure to be able to follow a line. If you can't follow the very large signs on an interstate, then you've really got observational problems and shouldn't be driving a car.

    Also, in Louisville, where he got on I-264, it wouldn't matter which direction he started going, there would've been an exit for I-64 East either way.

    It is not the lack of GPS that is at issue, it's the author's inability to plan at all (buy an atlas? know what an interstate is?), read a map, follow signs, or make decisions. GPS may not have helped him, because it seems equally likely he would've put his destination as North Dakota.

  68. Navigon has had offline smartphone maps for 8 year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those fretting over data, Navigon's smartphone app lets you selectively load maps by state so you can have them offline without data usage. They have had it for at least 8 years.

  69. Avoiding dependance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GPS-enabled navigation is great, in moderation, the key is to avoid dependence. It's perfectly fine to use GPS for "last mile" navigation to an unfamiliar place, or to avoid missing turns at night. Where you get in trouble is when you make it part of your routine.

    You should never need GPS to get between two major cities. A quick glance at the map should tell you a viable route. Do it often enough, you won't even need the map anymore. Louisville to Raleigh? I-64 east to charleston, wv, I77 south to just south of the VA border, I-74east/US52south around mount airy, continue south to winston salem , I-40 east to raleigh, done. To asheville instead? ok, ok, east on I-64 out of louisville, pick up I-75 at lexington, KY, south to knoxville, east on I-40 to asheville. That's from memory.

    Within a city that you live, or spend significant time in, you should strive to know at least the most important streets by memory, and then from there, learn some useful connections between those streets. Once you get used to doing this, you can glance at a map and go "Oh, that's off Emerald Street, by the gas station" and then either study the next few turns after that, or just turn your GPS on when you get close to that point.

    Just don't allow the use of GPS to become routine. It's perfectly fine to bring it out when you get lost, it's not ok to always be lost without it.

  70. Wow. by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

    Seriously, traveling sans GPS is adventurous? You can get a wonderful book of maps at Flying J, or pretty much any real truck stop. If that's no good, there are things called signs that sit alongside the highways telling you how to get where. I've travelled across North America (and Europe) without GPS or maps, relying on signage, without issue. Try putting your brains into gear.

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  71. From the future by istartedi · · Score: 1

    I'm from the future, and I'm here to tell you about the Internet. In the future we'll be able to connect with computers everywhere, even in cars. We'll use the Internet to tell stories. Fantastic stories. For example, we'll tell a story about a guy taking a road trip and looking at his map.

    "So... in the future, is theater of the absurd popular?".

    No. Not on purpose. Now, let me tell you about the President of the United States...

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  72. I have one, but don't need it by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I drove close to 2 million miles before GPS units were even available. I have one, but I rarely ever look at it except for seeing what the ETA is (and it's wrong more than it's right!). I've spent the last 41 years going to places I've never been before. And by the time I've finished working in a city, I know my way around better than most locals. It's EASY.

    You don't need a compass, and topo maps show too much unnecessary crap. The sun always rises in the east and sets in the west. Even-numbered roads generally run east-west and odd-numbered roads generally run north-south. Inside cities learn which way streets and avenues run, either east-west or north-south. Some cities have it ass-backwards.

    Exceptions are interstate loops and spurs - 3 digits that start with odd or even numbers. If it starts with an odd number, it's a spur. If it starts with an even number it comes back to the interstate it left (loop).

    Oh, and sometimes roads run concurrently, so that you may be on a road that goes by two or more road numbers. Watch the signs - we paid good money for all those signs.

    Paper road maps are still available in stores near interstates. If you travel a lot, buy an atlas of all the state road maps.

    Outside of cities learn and use the 9-1-1 system to find addresses. Again, most did it right, but some counties royally screwed it up.

  73. BRB, gotta write an article. by sootman · · Score: 1

    In 1995 I drove 3,000 miles, from CA to FL, all alone, with no problem. In 1996 I drove back. My magical method:
    1. Get paper maps BEFORE leaving.
    2. Look at maps.
    3. Drive.
    4. When needed, call people (before leaving!) and ask how to get to their house from the highway.

    It was tough, what with the long-distance phone charges and the dinosaurs occasionally blocking I-10, but other than that it was pretty uneventful.

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  74. I did this across the US and back around 20... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    years ago.

    In fact I didn't even use maps. I had AAA guidebooks in case I needed to find motels and otherwise just followed the interstates. 5 means nominally N/S, and 0 means West/East. I had to backtrack or follow another route a few times, but even with that, I came in below my cost estimates until 3/4 of the way back (when I realized I was 3000 miles away from anybody who could help me out and everybody I'd tried to visit on the other coast made excuses/bailed on me. Of the two that didn't, one was an underage chronic alcoholic, and the other was a socially ackward cock blocker who made me regret my decision not to bail on him and go with the cute college girls we'd met when he chickened out on asking them to ice cream with me!

  75. Dump Tech by Nehmo · · Score: 1

    I've been told that some people go outside in bare feet without a cellphone. How silly can you get?

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  76. I like maps but.. (and when in China..!) by mattr · · Score: 1

    I like maps but I don't want to use them when:
    - map is dirty / itchy
    - no map
    - in a hurry
    Also, I can say for sure that gps and a couple of maps apps saved my butt when traveling for business in Shanghai. However, it was very difficult to align where I was on a paper map based on the app, even when taking a while to plot individual points. I supplemented it by poring over barely understood road signs and bus route signs.

    In the end I found the best way to map the neighborhood of my hotel (endless walks down mysterious roads to get from hotel to a shopping area) was to find a number of points and plot them on the paper map, then after repeated difficulties to finally draw my own version in a little notebook with the key names in two languages.

  77. Re:The problem is not GPS itself, but slavish devo by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    GPS's are as you say just thinking of speed limits. They also do not seem very good at factoring in number of lights, difficulty of turns, or (and this really galls me with Google maps and most others) future traffic buildup. If I leave somewhere at 4:30, I'm pretty much always going to be routed onto a highway that is going to take me ~10min longer than the estimate. Just because it can route me around buildups is no excuse for not simply choosing a smarter route to begin with!

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  78. I know why he got lost - it's US 31E, not 32 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US-32 apparently doesn't exist, anymore, but it certainly never passed through Louisville

  79. Re:Uh....NO! by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 1

    Umm. Call me a modernist, lazy, whatever.
    But reading the story exerpt gave me a 'Yep. Still as bad as I remembered'. If I have to drive randomly without any concept where I am or of time I'm not happy. That was the case before the arrival of the GPS (yes, I'm that old) and it still is the case.

    So I'll use the GPS whenever I can, thank you very much!

  80. Motorcycle road trips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually use GPS at the start of the day to plan out my trip. I write down and try to memorize the major steps and their distances on a piece of paper and then I go. Occasionally I will pull out the phone if I think I have passed something, but it is a real pain to pull over take off gloves and turn on GPS to verify where I am. When I get to my destination I usually have a much better idea of where I am than if I had arrived using GPS exclusively.

    It frustrates me to no end to drive with somebody who will guaranteed miss an exit unless GPS is on. You tell them "In 10 miles take the exit for this town. 30 min later they are still driving on the same road oblivious that they have passed the exit."

  81. Lives in Louisville? I Don't Think So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I begin downtown, by the river. It seems that if I get on 32 East, I can find Route 150 toward Tennessee. It takes about one block for my plan to fall apart. The street I'm on dead-ends and forces me onto a seemingly parallel road that soon wanders off at an angle. I discover that there's the fancy, Kentucky Derby side of Louisville, but also the Thorobred Lounge gentleman's club side. Somehow, I blunder onto Interstate 264, a ring road, where the exit numbers indicate that I'm at least ten miles from where I thought I was. And yet, it works out. See, this is the way you used to do it. You keep driving. I exit for Route 32 and settle in for a long drive east."

    - There are about 40 gazillion "To I-xxx" signs downtown (I-64, I-65, I-264, I-265). The fact that the author seems unaware of I-264 as the Watterson Expressway and US-31E/US-150 as Bardstown Road makes me think that either said author just moved to Louisville (within the past 2 weeks) or is making up stuff as justification for the article. It's drivers like this that make the streets, roads, and highways dangerous for everyone else - doing the Jersey Slide trying to make a exit they're going to miss 'cause they're lost and so on. Louisville has 2 ring roads & 2.5 through interstates (I-71 ends in downtown) and is laid out in a very reasonable way given the age of the city.

  82. AAA by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    If you're not going to use your GPS, then you're either A:) Lost or B:) On your way to AAA to pick up the PAPER MAPS that still exist.

    Not a member? This is one more excellent reason to become one.

    Also: Even if you DO have a GPS, I always have a set of AAA maps in the car just in case my GPS breaks AND my cell phone battery dies.

    If you refuse to carry paper maps and you don't want to use a GPS, then you deserve to get lost.

  83. knowing where you are going by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, before I start, I am 57, my fiancée is 31.

    On almost every road trip we go on, she insists we use the GPS. So, I happily input the address to where we want to go, then set it up on the dash so we can follow it, dutifully. However, before we started, I pulled out the map (either digital or dead tree) and look up where we want to go, looking through the route, doing what we used to call a 'map recon' when I was a soldier.

    So, then we get in the car and wherever the GPS tells us to go the wrong way (which it does with alarming regularity!) I go the right way and at first the fiancée and the GPS argue with me, then the GPS says 'recalculating...' and the fiancée, well, she trusts me.

    We get where we are going, within the time set by the number of miles divided by the average speed, and the fiancée is happy.

    Sometimes, when she is alone, driving across country to visit her family without me, she calls me on her cell to ask for help because she dutifully followed the GPS and now nothing looks right and she is WAY off the timeframe she thought it should take... And I pull out google maps on the laptop or that old atlas of mine. Then I tell her how to get back to where she needs to be, sometimes staying on the phone and telling her where to go at each turn even.

    GPS is awesome technology. I love it. But like all technology it is not always perfect and you need to be prepared to navigate yourself. I still know how to use a map and compass, tell time by the sun, etc. Being an old guy, those things are second nature to me.

    And more importantly, my fiancée thinks I am a GOD of Travel because no matter what sticky wicket she gets into, I am the cool voice of reason that gets her out of it.

  84. Honey why don't you ask for directions? by geowash01 · · Score: 1

    Hey, you want a paper map? Print it off of Google. I'm not sure which part of this is funniest - young guy discovers maps (something even Columbus knew about) or that there's a picture of him asking a woman for directions at the top of the page--like any man every did that (at least according to women).

  85. Adwall by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Since I don't want to see their ads, I didn't read the original.

    But: did he even plan the trip with a current map?

    I don't own a GPS, nor does my flip-phone do apps. I do have maps, and map books. And the number of times I've gotten lost, driving across the city or across the country, I can count on the fingers of one hand, and have fingers left over.

    He's an idiot.

  86. Man uses paper map - lives to tell about it by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    news at 11.

    I remember using the AAA TripTik when I was a kid. Mom would have one printed before our long vacation drives - very useful map. Each was very fresh and contained construction notes, detours, and other information.

    But in the end - the giant paper map was always consulted for the big picture.

    I still use the paper map even with my GPS. GPS gets me there when I know where I want to go --- but the map lets me strategize and change my plans.

  87. Columbus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Columbus found the new world. Without GPS or maps.

    By the Golly! tone of the OP, Columbus did it by performing a Random Walk (Sail?) on the ocean until he hit land...

  88. where to get paper maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    State welcome centers, located usually at first rest area when you enter a state, usually have free maps.

  89. You're A Little Off There... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eratosthenes accomplishment in calculating the circumference of the Earth was remarkable. He did it with a basic set of assumptions, just a few data points and logic.

    However his accuracy was more likely 10-16% off from true values. The closest I was able to get anyone crediting him for, and this was explicitly at the lowest end of a quoted range of accuracies, was 1%.

    So 0.16% off? No, Eratosthenes had no way of achieving that level of accuracy. That in no way diminishes his accomplishment.

  90. Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They used to have these things called Maps. This is actually a more effective way of seeing the place you are visiting.