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Trump Adviser Steve Bannon is Leaving White House Post (nytimes.com)
President Donald Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon left his position on Friday (alternative source) as the newly minted chief of staff John Kelly sought to bring order to a White House riven by infighting and power struggles, more than a dozen news outlets report. Maggie Haberman, reporting for The New York Times: The president and senior White House officials were debating when and how to dismiss Mr. Bannon. The two administration officials cautioned that Mr. Trump is known to be averse to confrontation within his inner circle, and could decide to keep on Mr. Bannon for some time. As of Friday morning, the two men were still discussing Mr. Bannon's future, the officials said. A person close to Mr. Bannon insisted the parting of ways was his idea, and that he had submitted his resignation to the president on Aug. 7, to be announced at the start of this week, but the move was delayed after the racial unrest in Charlottesville, Va.
Will work full time as a monument bulldozer
Give alternative facts instead.
And nothing of value was lost
... as the newly minted chief of staff John Kelly sought to bring order to a White House riven by infighting and power struggles ...
As we saw on Tuesday - there's only so much discipline and order General Kelly can impose because the biggest problem in that regard is actually Trump being Trump.
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The CNBC article says both that Bannon resigned and that Trump fired him.
Looks like Time's puppet master attack worked.
Bannon represented Trump's base far better than any other person in his inner circle. Without Bannon Trump will have a far harder time keeping in sync with the people responsible for putting him in office. It wasn't the globalists like McMaster that got him elected, it was people like Bannon who helped him connect with people from the lay person to the disenfranchised (both Dem and Rep).
MAGA (for Nazis)!
One Nazi gone, one to go.
With the term 'Nazi' being thrown around so casually these days I can only think of Inigo Montoya saying "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Just a reminder. Rumor is that Bannon was fired not because of his whack-job views on race or economics but rather because he's not sufficiently bellicose toward North Korea for Trump's liking.
That is, he may have fired a snake but he did it on account of one of the snake's few redeeming qualities.
By the end of his term it will be clear that Trump is the biggest mistake America has ever made.
Trumpers keep giving interviews to news outlets known to be opposed to them down to the quarks in their component atoms, and then are astonished that the resulting stories don't cast them in a favorable light. There's naive and then there's downright stupid and incompetent.
I think this is the best comment on the situation:
https://www.arcamax.com/thefun...
Nazi means "National Socialism" and Bannon projects a lot of parallels to Nazis in is writings/publications and with the recent protests and terrible ways Bannon tried to shrug them off it's only fitting he gets called what he is...
The real irony is that there is a top selling book trying to convince the world that its "leftists" who are the real nazis.. /shrug
In this case it's true, Bannon isn't a literal Nazi. He shares some of their philosophy and views, but Nazism is just a subset of the alt-right, which Bannon is one of the most important players in.
He's an awful human being, a racist and a bigot, but not an actual Nazi. Just a friend to Nazis, an admirer of them.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
How is this article the least bit relevant on a site about technology?
Granted the guy's a dipshit (unlike slashdot's honored and revered posters) but we've got 4chan for those kinds of subjects.
This. It's so annoying when people use "Nazi" when what they mean is "someone who hates Jews and black people, actively works to villainize them, and would definitely wear a swastika armband if they wouldn't get in trouble."
Totes different.
And there was much rejoicing.
Ah yes, the "no true nazi" logical fallacy.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
I've been very lucky boss-wise, and only worked for one manager/group of managers in my career that bothered me enough to quit. However, I have many co-workers who have "escaped" from toxic environments run by terrible bosses. Some weren't exactly low-paying jobs either -- think investment banks, elite law firms, and consulting companies. Almost every one has told me that leaving and taking a pay cut was better than dreading going to work every day and dealing with their bosses screaming at them, throwing them to the wolves, or just being a total jerk. Say what you will about Bannon, but I think he's just making a rational decision and answering questions like "Can I control this guy? Is he hurting my long term aspirations? Is the access and influence I have and future untold billions I will have because of it balanced with the probability of everything going sideways?" The problem is always cost/benefit - I know some people who've worked in investment banking as devs or very high-end IT pros, and they say the bonuses are massive and salaries are great, but you have to deal with a company that's basically 100% bro-culture assholes every day in exchange for it.
My dislike of the current administration mostly stems from its apparently inability to control its emotions. I think Trump is not used to being questioned on _anything_ and people in his inner circle have given him a pass on his behavior forever because they want to keep getting paid. I obviously don't know what he's thinking, but I think he feels that international conflicts and political compromise is just like strong-arming some union boss on one of his construction sites or bribing some city official to get one of his properties expedited through the system.
One of my favorite political cartoons of late (sorry about the ) came out when Trump started signing his first executive orders and shows him sitting on Bannon's lap saying, "I'm a big boy!" I think that it's pretty obvious that no one can control him at this point, so we'll see what happens.
Between msmash and Beau this site is a shell of what it used to be. Just another regurgitating rag. Why not just link WaPo, NYT, WSJ, et al to the front page feed and call it a day?
Anyone want to start a betting pool as to how long it'll be before Trumps daughter 'comes out' to the media about how he sexually molested her for years?
>Nazism is just a subset of the alt-right
So the alt-right is bigger than Nazism? You can be alt-right, but not a Nazi?
Seriously, his alt-right voter base will hate this. Not sure who is left actually liking this prez still.
Ding dong, the shit is fired!
Which old shit?
The racist shit!
Ding dong, the racist shit is fired!!!!
C'mon Slashdot. We can get this from other websites.
No need to waste green header space and text on this one.
If the reason was becasue Bannon wanted to use Window touchsscreens in the warroom instead of Macs, ok.
Trump is just a symptom and so are all these protests - for whatever reason. People are looking for the one reason for their declining standard of living, healthcare costs going out of control, food prices increasing, housing costs, and just finding it harder to live better than their parents (the American dream) - let alone as well as them.
People are pissed but unfortunately, they are blaming the wrong people.
My meds are artificially high priced. Can I go and get them from another country? Nope - it's illegal. Why? For my own safety - because I may get counterfeit drugs from a foreign pharmacy. Amazing, I don't see many deaths from counterfeit drugs in Canada.
But why are our prices so high here in the USA? Because they can, that's why. And I know who is to blame and they are ALL members of the Republican party. Free markets my ass!
And when someone is making over $15 and hour - 40 hours a week - and STILL can't afford a place to live in some southeast sub-urban town, there is something really fucked up. We're not talking about the SF Bay area - but nowhere.
The wealth and income disparity is what is causing all this and it is because the system is rigged against us peons.
Have it your way then. One ethnonationalist neofascist down, one to go.
Apparently this is because he called the alt-right "clowns," and said there was no military solution in Korea. All you gloaters, think about it: he is out for being too liberal!
A person close to Mr. Bannon insisted the parting of ways was his idea, and that he had submitted his resignation to the president on Aug. 7, to be announced at the start of this week, but the move was delayed after the racial unrest in Charlottesville, Va.
Now, why would that matter?
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Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
In a statement, Bannon said he wanted to spend more time with Anthony Saramucci's family.
I know, I know, but I didn't see anyone else saying it!
Nazism due to it being one it being one of the most detrimental and well know forms of Fascism has become more-or-less a catchall for fascists (e.g. Xerox for copiers).
The national socialist workers' party is not alt-right. What strange country do you live in where you think either socialists or labor parties are right?
The term 'Nazi' meant a member of the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) Party. During the war the term Nazi was used to refer to pretty much all Germans. After the war the term was mostly used to describe members of Hitlers government and the Party paramilitary wings, the SA (brown shirts) and the SS. today I believe we can all agree that it has now a become a generic term for their core beliefs in racist nationalism although it is often used in daily speech to describe authoritarian figures.
Russian translate SMI say, American on the threshold new civil war https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-08-17/Obozrevatel-HuffPost-rasskazal-kak-Putin
Totes
I don't know if there's a faster, surer way to announce that you have nothing of value to say.
This is getting better by the day watching Trump's circus slowly implode!
You can be alt-right, but not a Nazi?
Yep. The alt-right is a diverse bunch - there are white supremacists who believe in ethnic superiority of anglo heritage, there are nationalists who believe in economic isolationism and are opposed to immigrants, there are religious authoritarians who want the government in our bedrooms, there are antisocial conspiracy theorists who are trying to hide out from government mind rays, and there are desperate suckers whose lives aren't going very well who will naively cling to any ideology, no matter how evil, that promises easy fixes. None of those things, on its own, makes you a Nazi. That said, if you are holding a swastika, or making excuses for someone that does, what should we conclude about you?
"Nazi," like "fascist," now means "a subhuman entity that does not agree with the speaker's liberal politics."
And that is all it means now.
Hope he doesn't channel his anguish by drinking.
In many ways Trump is in a toxic environment. It's got to suck for him. I don't like the guy at all but sometimes I feel sorry for him. He's in way over his head, he not getting the adulation that he craves, and he clearly was having a lot more fun when he was outside government grandstanding, lobbing grenades, chasing women, nettling Obama, etc. I don't think Trump thought he'd be elected: it was just a game to win. All he needs is an excuse like "my family needs me" or a health problem to bail out and leave the country with Pence.
The parallels with early Nazi Germany these last few days is striking. Rallies, innocent people being beaten up, double speak, appologies and excuses for abhorrent behavior by right-winger fascists...
The impotent responses from most Republicans and Trump ...
Please. This is out of hand.
And the Confederate Flag is the flag of traitors and American neo-Nazis. All Confederate monuments should be torn down including the Stone Mountain Confederate monument in Stone Mountain Georgia.
There are no two sides - one side is clearly and 100% in the wrong here.
...is staggering. So much winning.
Hey even 12 year old girls on the internet have a voice. ;)
Have a look at his original staff and check who is left: http://time.com/4658499/donald... Of those who sometimes communicated their own opinions rather than simply defending Trump, there is only Kushner (family) and Pence (elected VP). Those that left include Bannon, Priebus, Flynn, McFarland, Walsh, Dubke, Spicer, Scaramucci, and more. https://www.bustle.com/p/all-t... We are looking at 3.5 more years of a delusional President who chooses divisive people for his staff and then fires anyone who gets under his thin skin. I can't see how competent people would agree to work there given what we know thus far.
No, no it does not. Nazi still means what it always meant. You don't have to be German to be a nazi. If you believe the same ideas you are a nazi. If you hate Jews, hate blacks,, etc, you are a nazi. Period.
I'm no fan of Steve Bannon, by any means whatsoever, and I couldn't be happier for the country that he's no longer involved in public policy. But, Bannon was one of the few folks in Trump's inner political circle with no apparent ties to the Russians. Doesn't mean he didn't have any, of course, but I follow politics closely and I haven't heard them. This is astounding to me. The first two insults of him I see on /. are that he's a Nazi and that he's got ties to Russia. There are so very many excellent reasons to dislike this guy that nobody needs to resort to saying things about him that aren't true.
... and that's when the commodes start to flush properly!!
He's an awful human being, a racist and a bigot, but not an actual Nazi. Just a friend to Nazis, an admirer of them.
The term I use is "Nazi sympathizer". It can certainly be applied to Bannon and, based on recent comments, could arguably be applied to DJT.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Okay, glad to see that bastard go, but could we PLEASE stop calling the "alt-right" by that name? We should be calling them by what they really are: REACTIONARIES.
This is entirely consistent with Trump running first his campaign, then the White House, as a reality TV show, a business he understands well.
He started off, when he had so many Republican rivals, playing the Bad Boy That Everybody Loves To Hate, which was an excellent choice, because it is dramatically necessary to have the Bad Boy That Everybody Loves To Hate around for the finals so that the winner can finally defeat them. This guaranteed him the nomination.
But once he had the nomination sewed up, he had to switch characters, because the Bad Boy That Everybody Loves To Hate cannot win (ratings, you know). So he switched to The Lone Wolf Who Is Right When Everybody Else Is Wrong, which is certainly a character that can win - Americans love underdogs. But his real genius, at that point, was to force Hillary Clinton to become the Bad Boy That Everybody Loves To Hate. In other words, he painted his opponent as the character that simply cannot ever win. That won him the election.
Once he was in the White House, he was in a job he didn't know much about, so he went with what he knows. He continued to play The Lone Wolf Who Is Right When Everybody Else Is Wrong. But in order to be The Lone Wolf Who Is Right When Everybody Else Is Wrong, you have to surround yourself with people who are wrong all the time. So any job that was advisory, and very publicly visible, was filled with someone chosen specifically to be wrong, so that Trump could be right when they were wrong. Bannon was "chief stategist," which is an advisory position, and Bannon himself was so controversial that he couldn't possibly avoid the public's eye if he tried (and he never tried). But we got Mad Dog Mattis as Defense Secretary, a job that is not purely advisory, and has considerable authority in its own right. It's not a 100% correlation, but it's pretty consistent. Those who advise are idiots, chosen to be wrong and thus ignored. Those who do things are not.
And now that Trump is settling into the job of President, he's slowly working away from being The Lone Wolf Who Is Right When Everybody Else Is Wrong, and getting rid of the advisory positions that were filled with people chosen to be wrong all the time. He's learned what areas he really needs advisors in, and is replacing them with people who can tell him what he wants to hear.
He may well be Satan incarnate, hell bent on the destruction of humanity, but he's increasingly competent at what he's doing, and what he's doing is, for the most part, what he promised to do during the campaign.
Okay, so he's a closet Nazi?
I'm not a fan of Trump or Bannon on in the slightest. That said, I'm concerned that Bannon actually pushed Trump in the right direction on certain issues - namely, the US involvement in the rest of the world. From what I can tell, Bannon pushed Trump against war and military intervention in other countries, which is a good thing because in most cases US involvement is neither beneficial to the US, nor the country/people on whose behalf we're allegedly acting. Similarly, I understand that he pushed Trump to oppose free trade with other countries. Given that many of the countries with whom we engage in free trade have much lower environmental and labor standards than us, we are at a large disadvantage. Companies will naturally produce goods for less elsewhere if they can, and such agreements facilitate them doing that, thus hurting our economy. On the other hand, Bannon is known as no friend of minorities or disadvantaged peoples. Most people here probably know he used to be in leadership at Breitbart, which courts the alt-right and bigots of many kinds with ridiculous and derogatory headlines, among other things. I'm just curious to see if Trump engages in more saber-rattling and military intervention with Bannon gone. I certainly hope not.
Um, no. If you want to see what Nazi currently means, check the clips of the Charlottesville march with people chanting "Blood and Soil" and waving, you know, fucking Nazi flags.
Nazis would disagree with that definition. Just like moderate Muslims, they get to label themselves.
Motherfucker, we had people goose-stepping through Charlottesville, waving Nazi flags, wearing swastika armbands, chanting "Heil Hitler, Heil Trump", beating people with billy clubs and listening to a speech about how we need to kill all the Jews, Muslims, Blacks and Communists. There is no better word to describe them than "Nazis".
And they counted Bannon as a thought leader - someone who would make sure Trump followed through on what they perceived as promises.
In this case it's true, Bannon isn't a literal Nazi. He shares some of their philosophy and views, but Nazism is just a subset of the alt-right, which Bannon is one of the most important players in.
He's an awful human being, a racist and a bigot, but not an actual Nazi. Just a friend to Nazis, an admirer of them.
Strangely enough, the major difference between a Nazi and a regular, garden variety, classical (Italian) fascist is that the Nazi ideology has a serious racist bend to it.
Both a Nazi and Fascist believe in nationalism, enforced ideologies, control over media, totalitarianism, but a Fascist stops short of thinking, "well that black fellow, he must be subhuman and we white men are the superior race". Sure some fascists are racist by accident, but Nazism has racism baked into its very foundations.
This is why white supremacists are often (and correctly) labelled as Nazis. There are enough similarities between the two ideologies and if the jackboot fits...
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Totes Hitlerballs, sorry should be Hitlerball.
In common usage, Nazi means the German government we knocked off in World War II. Neo-Nazi is a slang term for modern incarnations of radical thoughts of racial purity and ultranationalism.
Being a nationalist does not make one a Nazi.
> The national socialist workers' party is not alt-right.
So why were members of this party attending a rally called "Unite the Right'?
Bannon, Spicer, Preibus, Flynn, Scaramucci...Trump wasn't kidding when he said he was going to "drain the swamp".
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Honestly I am not so sure about Bannon being a bigot. Trump, however, eliminated any room for doubt on that issue in his most infamous press conference on Tuesday.
Here is what I am certain about regarding Bannon: Bannon is straight out of the oldest school of political manipulators which has ever existed, the sophists. Plato founded his academy in Athens in reaction to and in opposition to the rampant sophistry, which was destroying Athenian Democracy. The sophists were the then current intellectual hired-guns of Athenian politicians. These hired-guns mastered the rhetorical art of equivocation, showing, in part at least, the originary fundamental relationship between Democracy and Demagoguery. Athenian politicians hired these men to craft their speeches, speeches designed to inflame the passions of their supporters, for short term political gain, regardless of whatever consequences followed, which ultimately led to the downfall of Democracy in Athens. Philosophy, from it's inception in the academy, correctly understood, sought to discredit sophistry in general and equivocation in particular. Remember that, for close to 2,000 years, rhetoric was held to be the highest form of intellectual art, and one wasn't considered to be educated if one wasn't trained in the rhetorical Arts.
Why do I doubt whether Bannon himself is a racist or biggot, given his work in unleashing Breitbart on the world? Simple really. Bannon never concerned himself with who his fellow travellers were. He simply designed and delivered the rhetorical argumentation which Trump, and many others, used to whip their followers into a frenzy. If modern Americans had even the remotest clue as to the origin and history of the art of rhetorics there would be no need to argue with people about "slippery-slopes", because the "slippery-slope" argument in every single on of it's incarnations is nothing other than plain-ole equivocation, sophistry for those with a somewhat larger vocabulary. So who was speaking when Trump spoke about "many, many sides" or "what's next after the statues of Robert E. Lee, are you gonna take down the statues of George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they were both slave owners....", or the "fine people" amongst the torch bearing, swastika waiving, sieg-heiling brown shirts marching through Chralottesville who had exactly one and only one objective planned with their march- to terrorize the good people of Charlottesville and Americans in general of every color and persuasion?.
Most of 20th century American politics, and that which still dominates us today, would have been completely impossible had the majority of our citizens been trained to recognized and see through simple rhethoric, and how easily we are manipulated by those who have mastered these arts. How many people had to die in east/southeast asia by virtue of one of the, literally, oldest tricks in the book, 'slippery-slope' rhetoric? Lather, rinse, repeat, Iraq, Libya, Syria, TEH Terruhrism. Even the expression 'Alt-right' is straight up sophism, except that the semantic confusion spread by it has rendered even those who consider themselves to be Alt-Right unable to distinguish themselves from their fellow travellers the fuckin NeoNazis and the KKK. Wake up folks we are being played, and Bannon was damned good at what he did. Fuckin snake.
I don't think they misunderstand the word. I think they believe that he's a fascist and a white nationalist who is allied with Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other white supremacy groups.
You can argue that they're incorrect. For example, Bannon just gave an interview where he insulted various white supremacy groups. I think it's hard to deny, however, that he at least courted the favor of white nationalists as a political strategy. In any case, I don't think people are confused about the term.
After the night of the long knives the nazis were neither left-wing or labor oriented.
We call Bannon a Nazi because he is a WHITE NATIONALIST
Even Godwin Himself agrees that it's A-FUCKING-OK to call these assholes Nazis, because that's what they are
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/15/creator-godwins-law-ok-call-charlottesville-white-supremacists/
So is Barack Obama.
Hitler was also a vegetarian, anti-Christian, and pro-Abortion.
So Barack isn't a literal Hitler, but "shares some of their philosophy and views." Plus Socialism is a sub-set of National Socialism.
See how this works, asshole? Shove your libtard gotchas up your ass.
Also the word nazi us just used to mean exteme conrrol and or view points. Such as soup nazi, grammar nazi, and feminazi. Not to different from fascist.
So the word in and of itself has been aceptale use to mean something other than hate vs jews/blacks for 20+ years.
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive
Now Bannon can go back to cooking meth in his bathtub (not making that up).
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You are welcome on my lawn.
I already read this on fake news site. Seriously though
A) is anyone surprised?
B) Is this news that nerds care about?
or anyone who commits unPC wrongthink
>Nazism is just a subset of the alt-right
So the alt-right is bigger than Nazism? You can be alt-right, but not a Nazi?
The Alt-Right is White supremacist re-branded. No cross burning or swastikas. Khakis and polo shirts. Same philosophy. Same violence. But better looking.
The Alt-right wants to get rid of all the rednecks that bring their crafted image down.
"Nazi" may be an abbreviation for "National Socialism", but as for what it means... well, remember it was the Nazis themselves who made that term up. You shouldn't take anything they said about themselves at face value because they were history's greatest bullshitters.
Naziism isn't really an ideology -- not like socialism, communism, or capitalism for that matter. It is too profoundly anti-intellectual to be one. Not that this prevented from intellectuals from joining. Goebbels was both an intelligent and educated man; he was in charge of manufacturing bullshit for the masses, but like an addict/drug cooker he was a user of his own junk.
Insofar as Nazis embrace ideology, it is never to the exclusion of any contradictory ideas. If caught in an inconsistency, a Communist will elaborate, a Nazi will simply ignore. That's why Communism as an ideology is so rococo. Nazi ideology is a slovenly, slapdash thing, constructed for the moment and then freely ignored once used.
They were obsessed with joy. And here at least they were honest, because joy differs from ordinary happiness in that it involves letting go of the past and future, of your very self. And that's what they offered their followers: torchlit rallies in which you could lose yourself and in which what happened yesterday and what was going to happen tomorrow might as well not exist -- not coincidentally an extremely useful attitude for a ruthless politician to encourage in his followers.
Naziism promises immediate gratification, regardless of obligations (except to the leader) or consequences (which were entrusted to the leader). Nazis are obsessed with virility and vitality, but what they really mean is the momentary freedom weakness of character can grant.
Now Bannon's followers fit the mold, but as for Bannon himself... well he actually sees himself more in Lenin's mold, he's said so himself. So he fancies himself as an intellectual, and sees the rabble as useful idiots -- a term Lenin actually coined. But Nazi leaders often saw their followers the same way. The question is whether he's a user as well as a dealer.
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And neo-nazis are not literal Nazis either. They use that term though. And the neo-nazis are inspired by Bannon and his past leadership of fake news outlet Breitbart. So while Bannon is not literally a germn Nazi from the thirties and forties, he has a lot of common ideals with neo nazis.
What is unclear is whether the term now refers to just anyone who waves a Nazi flag and makes the salute or do they also have to advocate for the murder of Jews?
The KKK is still around though, and they still have the cross burning. The neo nazis showed up in Charlottesville and plenty of swastikas were in plain view. They are certainly part of the intended participants in the "Unite the Right" rally. So is alt-right not the correct term for them?
Who's going to replace him as the national WC Fields impersonator?
Trumps white supremacist roots go deep. His dad was associated with the KKK, and their company refused to rent to black people until they were taken to court over it.
The nazis in Germany were an extreme rightist group. The neo nazis of today in America and Europe are an extremist right group. The rally they were invited to and shared common ideology with was called "Unite the Right". There is nothing socialist about it. You either are using fake news or revisisionist history sites to get your false information from, or else you're actively engaging in spreading these lies.
I can understand the logic though. Nazis are evil, liberals are evil, you are good, your friends on the extreme right are good, therefore Nazis must be liberals. It's a comfortable view to take if you are leaning towards extreme right positions. But it's still incorrect.
do you have a citation for either of those?
CNN headline reads: TRUMP FIRES BANNON! Another #FakeNews headline from CNN
#RealNews = Bannon resigns
And liberal gender benders wonder why CNN is the laughing stock of news media.
His definition still stands, "a subhuman entity that does not agree with the speaker's liberal politics" includes the actual Nazis in Charlottesville that you are talking about. But it also includes a hell of a lot more people than that. And let be honest, the word Nazi is used far more often as an insult directed towards people the alt-left don't like than it is to describe actual Nazis in the original sense of the term.
Labels are meaningless. It's actions that determine what you believe.
I found it very telling that Bannon revealed that he wanted everyone to be embroiled in these race issues and talking about them in order to keep them misdirected from administration plans with regards to economic issues.
Amazing how much the "Jew bankers paying commies to destroy the fatherland" notion still inspires fascists nearly a century later.
Bannon isn't even a Fascist. In fact, he's very against state ownership of the means of production. That took some squaring of his ideals with el Presidente Tweetie running a racket from the White House but he found a way.
He's just sort of a mentally flaccid white nationalist, that what he's for. He can mostly be defined by what he's against, cosmopolitans in the alt-right meaning of the word. He remembers a time when the U.S. stood taller than anyone else in the world and didn't really need allies, so he's got rose colored glasses on his ass when he looks backward. Being small but single minded doesn't make him a political philosopher, it just makes him one of thousands of others who can talk glibly out of their ass. He just managed to glom onto a game show host who's above facts in the same way a brick is above the Sargasso Sea (thx Douglas Adams).
Better looking? Some of those khakis were straining at the seams to contain rolls of fat. By comparison, a white robe can hide a multitude of sins, perhaps accessorise with a burning cross if you want to be taken seriously, tiki torches just send out mixed messages.
These kinds of stories just draw out the alt-right nutcases into the comments section. I was thinking we ought to have Captcha questions that only a nerd would know the answer to. Star Trek trivia or some such.
And that has again been re-coined to a more modern equivalent of SJW
You mispelled "nutjob". In this case the most worrying outcome would be his compiling some sort of long list of people to exclude from the country.
QED. You voted for Hillary Clinton, and your ass still smarts from her losing, huh?
(He has a son in law - and grandson - who is Jewish, and he's been given awards for various programs he's participated in to help improve inner city ghettos, including some that are almost 100% black.)
Actually, "People who hang out in a threatening manner in front of synagogues with semiautomatic weapons" is also a pretty good definition.
Like they did in charelottesville with
Donald Trump is a democrat. Always has been, always will be.
> nationalists who believe in economic isolationism and are opposed to immigrants
> None of those things sound very different from nor better than Nazis
You're pretty stupid. Good thing you'll never be in charge of anything important.
It is too profoundly anti-intellectual to be one.
Werhner Von Braun was a Nazi, and he invented "rocket science"
Naziism isn't really an ideology
Is "Socialism for white people" too difficult for you to understand? Nazis had an elaborate government social welfare system for themselves.
If you're not those three, you are unamerican (according to certain parties.)
The ProCapitalism one pretty much crosses the political boundaries. The only exception is some pandering to social services by the left, but that is mostly to differentiate themselves from the right, rather than any true desire at public service, equality, etc.
but at this point if you're id'ing Alt-Right you're marching with Nazis.
Here's the thing. You can't be a good Nazi, because their 'brand' is already so thoroughly tainted. The Alt-Right has become the same. You're going to have about as much luck recovering 'Alt-Right' as a brand as that 'Porch-Monkey' guy did with his t-shirt. Come up with a new name. That one's taken.
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say no more, my friend
Nazi's stand, above all, for solving their problems with violence. That's what make them frightening. If you're calling yourself a Nazi (like those folks in Charlottesville) you're very clearly letting everyone know that as soon as you've got some real power you will be bringing violence to bear against anyone and anything you percieve an enemy.
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like "Only when an arrogant woman with 20 years of bad press and only one real skill (keeping her rivals at bay for 8 years) is the opponent.".
Seriously, they were both running against the only person they could lose to.
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he hasn't decreased it in the slightest. For every person that thought "I shouldn't move to American" a dozen more think "now's my chance". Unless he actually passes laws curtailing work visa programs and immigration then he's not having the slightest effect.
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His dad's association with the KKK does not seem to be a solid fact (unless I missed something).
Their company discriminating against black people is well documented, complete with an extensive court case.
Von Braun did not invent "rocket science".
As for "socialism for white people" -- it's trivially easy (in the mathematical sense) to understand.
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I prefer "Nazi". Oh sure, some bury their sentiments in cryptic phrasology, but at the end of the day they're all white supremacists, who different only in how they intend on dealing with all those inferior brown skinned people.
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it was intentional to append your post about sophistry with sophistry right?
The fact that he has Jewish grandchildren didn't stop Trump from making the false equivalency between anti far right protestors and actual Nazis. I don't know whether Trump is a bigot or not, as the whole press conference seemed like one big temper tantrum against his handlers, so it could have been a fit of pique.
But what he did do is give the Nazis cover, and that's why you're seeing people flee for the exits. To be associated with Trump is turning into instant discreditation.
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That's right. Bannon, Trump, and certain elements of the Republican party have been playing footsie with the far right for some time. That they're all running for the exits now only shows the extent of their hypocrisy and cowardice. Polite society is slowly re-exerting control, but sadly there are a lot people whose minds have been poisoned
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You know they don't. That's the sick part about this. People on a tech site, who know damn good and well that proof is required for any claim of anything, spouting off whatever junk comes out of HuffPo (Super-diverse with your 100% white and pacific asian female leadership!), CNN (can you say nothing burger? Sure you can!), or Vice (*Tweet* Destroy Mt. Rushmore! *Tweet* ).
For the past 12 years, the majority of racism and totalitarianism has been coming from one side only;
The left.
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Naziism isn't really an ideology -- not like socialism, communism, or capitalism for that matter. It is too profoundly anti-intellectual/b> to be one.
The ideology that systematically slaughtered tens of millions of intellectuals, college professors, and scientists is not anti-intellectual
What?
This garbage is modded up. Those slashdot mods must be pretty fucking anti-intellectual for ignoring several of the most bloody purges in all of history.
It's not a false equivalency. It's entirely accurate. Both extremes is full of violent insurgents who are intent on overthrowing - and replacing - the government. And the left is further along in the fascist insurgent playbook, as well as better organized and better financed.
People who threaten - and use - violence against reporters filming their rioting - and their children - are a direct threat to democracy, and every bit as dangerous as neo-nazis. The left doesn't want to admit this, but then, a lot of them seem to be perfectly OK with violence as long as it's for a cause they believe in.
Antifa assaults multiple journalists in Charlottsville
There were too many bed sheets with holes in them on the clothes line in back yard. Became noticeable............
And let be honest, the word Nazi is used far more often as an insult directed towards people the alt-left don't like than it is to describe actual Nazis in the original sense of the term.
Who cares how often it's used for what? It's been used a generic pejorative for a long time for everything from grammar Nazis to soup Nazis. But you know what? When you make pedantic arguments about semantics right after a group of individuals marched around with real swastikas and real people lost their lives, it either makes you look like a subversive asshole who just doesn't give a shit, a sociopathic monster incapable of human empathy, or a cryptofascist Nazi sympathizer.
Why on earth would anyone think that arguing about word-usage right now is a valuable contribution to the dialogue when we were just witness to something that is supposed to be anathema to everything that the U.S. stands for?
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Guilt by association. Nice.
No ideology has ever slaughtered anyone. It's people who do the dirty work.
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Good riddance.
Next is the rest, including Herr Trump, and for Herr Gorsuch to recuse himself from everything more serious than a parking violation.
Von Braun was a high-salary engineer, and he worked for whoever paid the bills.
APK on top of everything else is a white supremacist. Go buy a gun so you can be part of the old white male suicide statistics.
By extension; people don't kill anyone, it's guns that do the dirty work.
>Naziism isn't really an ideology -- not like socialism, communism, or capitalism for that matter. It is too profoundly anti-intellectual to be one
Nicely formulated. I would add: the anti-intellectuallity of it stems from the pure animal nature of xenophobia which is foundation of Nazism. People who sincerely believe in Nazi ideology are literally animals, devoid of humanity.
Now the other part you said is true as well: intellectuals join this movement as well for different reasons: power, insanity of not recognizing the obvious, etc.
True human ideology has none of this: quite often leaders sincerely believe in it as well.
Any human ideology is strikingly defiantly anti-animalistic: it negates animal nature in humans.
All of them involve the essential notion of self-sacrifice for the common good, 100% human feature. The foundation of ideology have nothing to do with humanity and involve some ideal concept (God, equality, abstract moral concepts).
Nazism of course is nothing like that.
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but then, a lot of them seem to be perfectly OK with violence as long as it's for a cause they believe in.
So is this supposed to be a problem? You demand that everybody be a pacifist or something?
I swear, you still haven't learned to think before running by or mouth.
"Blood and Soil" is a reference to what's in their underpants, right? Like some simpler way of saying santorum?
eaction to and in opposition to the rampant sophistry, which was destroying Athenian Democracy. The sophists were the then current intellectual hired-guns of Athenian politicians. These hired-guns mastered the rhetorical art of equivocation, showing, in part at least, the originary fundamental relationship between Democracy and Demagoguery. Athenian politicians hired these men to craft their speeches, speeches designed to inflame the passions of their supporters, for short term political gain, regardless of whatever consequences followed, which ultimately led to the downfall of Democracy in Athens.
Sounds like the left of today, TBH, SMH, fam.
So many wealthy New Yorkers joining a southern hate group dominated by poor white trash. Come on.
I never heard of Bannon until the media declared him the root of all evil. He will go back to obscurity and no one will care within a month.
The left is obsessed with race and can't get over it. It's a great distraction from issues of real value. Obama also used this to hide several QEs and horrific foreign policy. Small minded people are distracted by small things
As with ideologies, guns are harmless until employed by a human mind.
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Troll murderers? oh my!
who is allied with Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other white supremacy groups.
Well if true then he should be ousted, the KKK were democrats after all.
The Nazis weren't socialists, they were allied with the Italian fascists and bitter rivals with the communists.
The use of the term was purely for propaganda purposes. Sort of like pro-life people who are decidedly not in favor of life generally.
Dude, he was the only voice I heard that defended the side withactual flag carrying Nazis
And if you want to trot out the canard about "not all the protestors were nazis" - Go look at the flyers for the rally, and tell me that the majority of the people protesting against the statue's removal had no idea what an iron eagle represented. Go look at the lineup of speakers who are well-known white supremacists and tell me that it was about preserving history.
In any other topic, you might have a point.
Steve Bannon is leaving the Whitehouse job go to #WAR not against Donald Trump but to better fight for POTUS, relieved of the constraints of public office.
From the perspective of the extreme left this makes him more dangerous. Rejoicing is therefore premature. Moderates may briefly enjoy eating their popcorn as more flags banners and slogans are deployed and the likes mount up, but only bag or two since both ideological extremes consider moderates enemies by default.
Right and left in this case are being played. We all are. If you would google "thomas reflexive control theory" you can read about it. There are some other sources on RCT, would also recommend Keir Giles' "Handbook of Russian Information War," available online in pdf from the NATO Defense College and "Cyber Enabled Economic Warfare" by Samantha Ravich and Juan Zarate.
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Nah, he is just a useless fat virgin fuckwad, cowering in moms basement.
but none of them passed the Sheldon Primary
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Yes, there was regrettable violence on both sides. The big difference between the sides though is that one was heavily influence by racist supporters while the other by counter protesters to them. These are not equivalent factions and that is the problem with how Trump handled this.
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The Nazis were Nationalist, but they were also a lot more besides.
Okay ... So every pro-american state leaders are keen on the DSM 5 now ?
Nervermind ? A friend in need is a friend indeed ?
After all curing one unwitted ill person is the least they can do after having been saved from nazism and supremacism.
I don't know where this comes from. It's bullshit.
There was a lot of discipline, orderliness, self-sufficiency, "strong breeding", loyalty. It was necessary for the war effort and for the brainwashing.
Giving a group of people clean, sharp uniforms, weapons, an ethnic right and a sacred purpose and telling them what they needed to do to help their fellow man realize that purpose was, and still is, a very attractive idea. Scapegoat a group as the cause for their woes, and they can rally against a common enemy. Come to power after a depression... have a crazy orator for leader, a master propagandist, and you'll get a whole country doing stupid things.
They were obsessed with work and progress. They saw things changing under Hitler and expected things to only get better. I think it's extremely important to remember what they were as this kind of brainwashing is powerful and still used today.
ISIS does this shit. They may not have uniforms, but the kids wind up with an ethnic right, sacred purpose, etc. Turn off your brain, work hard and your people will be rewarded. Life gets very simple when you believe.
You don't have to go far to find images and propaganda. http://www.master-of-education.org/10-disturbing-pieces-of-nazi-education-propaganda/
A friend of the family was Hitler youth, and my father was born in Nazi Germany and lived in post-war Berlin. My grandfather (still living), served on a U-boat and my grandmother is still alive too... they all hate the Nazis, they always thought they were stupid.
Joy and immediate gratification are dangerous crap which can lead to greatly underestimating these people.
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> The nazis in Germany were an extreme rightist group.
Nazi stands for National Socialist and they forcibly dispossessed the 1% (Jews), nationalized various industries, etc. so you can't just whitewash that out of the picture even if they had a falling out with another socialist group.
What's probably confusing you is that they were hard core authoritarians, but the left is just as capable of being authoritarian as the right is, and it's a simple-minded rhetorical trick to lump everyone you hate together under the same label. Sadly, there are plenty of simple-minded folk out there and the trick does, in fact, work.