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iPhone 8's 3D Face Scanner Will Work In 'Millionths of a Second' (phonearena.com)
According to a report by the Korea Herald, Apple's upcoming iPhone 8 will ditch the fingerprint identification in favor of 3D face recognition, which will work "in the millionths of a second." PhoneArena reports: The Samsung Galaxy series were among the first mainstream devices to feature iris recognition, but the speed and accuracy of the current technology leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that is why current phones ship with an eye scanner AND a fingerprint reader. The iPhone 8, on the other hand, is expected to make a full dive into 3D scanning. Both Samsung and Apple are rumored to have tried to implement a fingerprint scanner under the display glass, but failed as the technology was not sufficiently advanced. The new iPhone will also introduce 3D sensors on both its front and back for Apple's new augmented reality (AR) platform. This latest report also reveals that Apple will not use curved edges for its iPhone 8 screen, but will instead use a flat AMOLED panel. The big benefit of using AMOLED for Apple thus is not the curve, but its thinner profile compared to an LCD screen.
..if I cover up the sensors / lenses.
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Well that very much depends on how advanced the sensors are, and what you are covering them with...
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now police wont even have to physical force you to unlock the phone they can just point it at you gg apple
I'm not enabling that in a million years. Oh, and beyond the cops, some thug you shoots you dead can point it at your corpse and unlock too? Yeah, fuck that.
Is that roughly 2 million millionths of a second? Because camera and laser scanner tech can easily take longer than a millisecond, and then you need processing time. There is no meaningful information in the article. I'm assuming it's some kind of beam scan as opposed to stereo camera vision. I find the idea of a constant scan of my face to be reprehensible to the point I use a tiny piece of electrical tape on my current phone as a manual camera cover.
If I even get one I'll disable the sensor for unlocking (for however much good that does me) but am very much intrigued by the 3-D scanning ability of the sensor. Maybe in a few years we can stitch together a moasic of these scans, and fuse them optimally, to make a truly portable and free moving 3-D scanner. That would be far more interesting to me than any bull crap Apple wants to do to my face.
Waiting for someone to somehow spin this piece of tech news over the wannabenazisafespace gate. I give it 30 minutes, cause its late.
At least Apple is doing something right, curved displays can go to god damned hell.
So sick of them being forced on Samsung customers (so to speak) release both types or risk alienating customers
Lets see I have reading glasses, long distance , Various sunglasses and protective glasses. I wonder how it will go with all those possibilities ?
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People will happily give up DNA for their little gadgets, if Apple/Google/Facebook asks.
I don't respond to AC's.
You mean microseconds, or is that too metric? What constitutes 'in the millionths of a second' anyway? Ten millionths? Ten thousand millionths? A million millionths?
I'll still use a PIN
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Fractal lenses with embedded 3d imagery or something like that will soon just be a stick-on solution.
Release a version with a battery you can easily replace!
But it's hard to believe. Apple sold ApplePay to banks and card companies based on the security of their fingerprint scanner. Fingerprints have a hundred year history of being a means of unique biological identification. Facial recognition has a few years of history marked by some successes and some embarrassing failures.
Are banks and card companies just going to automatically OK a change like that? It's hard to believe.
Easier to believe they got the in-screen fingerprint scanner to work. Synaptics keeps claiming they have that technology and it works.
"works in 5000 millions of a second"
Someone please tell me how I'm supposed to scan my face discreetly in the middle of a meeting? I can do a fingerprint unlock in my pocket or under the table.
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Can't we use images of other body parts to unlock the iPhone ? Like boys could unlock their iPhone with a snap of their pe...ctoral muscles. :-P
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So, if I'm in an auto accident, or I trip and fall face-first into the sidewalk, or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
millionths of a second, to be precise.
Where do you live?
Really, if it worked in 10ms it would be more than fast enough.
Nullius in verba
I mean, really. And for that matter, what about northern souls wearing balaclavas shoveling snow? Come on, Apple, if you can't come up with a feature that works for 100% of people, don't do it at all.
Counterpoint: Working rather ambitiously, you believe you can clear a jam in the woodchipper without pausing the ravenous machine. You lose your footing, unfortunately, and your natural reflex to brace with your hands... well, they're quite mangled now. You can still unlock your phone with your distressed, yet functional face and call EMS. Checkmate.
Assuming it has to gather light, i'd be very surprised if the sensor will collect enough info in a millionth of a second to get any idea what I look like. I'd also be surprised if a few thousand clock cycles is enough computation to decide if I am who I am.
If I wanted a quick unlock mechanism, i'd go with some sort of RFID in a wrist band that if you are wearing would allow the unlock without pin, as this seems pretty simple understandable technology which is already available.
So, if I'm in an auto accident, or I trip and fall face-first into the sidewalk, or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
Yes and people invented such scenarios to decry the use of fingerprint scanners to unlock your device. The idiots of the world still seem oblivious to the reality that if you can't use the fingerprint scanner for whatever reason then you type in your passcode instead, likewise if you can't use the facial recognition or don't want to use it then you type in your passcode instead.
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
How exactly is fingerprint recognition any different? Are you implying that you believe that will be the only option? Despite various implementations of biometric scanning to unlock devices the password method still exists.
Man im still reeling from the insensitivity of Apple at introducing the fingerprint scanner when there are people out there that don't have fingers or fingerprints or need to wear gloves all the time (or even just some of the time). Retina display? What about the blind?! Voice recognition? What about the dumb?! Apple Music? Did you ever think about deaf people?!?!?!?!
If my phone is robbed and the attacker has some bio-metric information on me, they won't be able to unlock my device. Heck if I had this new 'face-scan' tech, a Colombian drug lord could just kill me, then scan my face, instant profit.
I don't read AC
They just haven't yet succeeded.
"but its thinner profile compared to an LCD screen. "
The thinner they get, the fatter our cases get, otherwise they fall on the floor twice a day.
From what he says I'd say either Syria or the USA.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Erh... I don't know about the US, but phones in Europe MUST allow calling emergency services even when locked. In other words, if you find a phone, dialing the local equivalent of 911 must be possible, provided that thing has battery. No matter whether it's locked, or in what way it is locked.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
What if I am using my 3D penis shape to unlock the device, and a hot girl walks by, causing an erection? Or much more likely (given the target demographic of an iPhone), what if a hot guy walks by, locking me out of Facebook? How will I get paid then?
It sounds great, i am looking forward to using iphone 8 http://www.bagswalletsit.com/
Soon we wont know if vain iphone users are taking selfies or unlocking their phones?
Now let's compare his scenario to yours and decide which is absurd. Hint: Yours.
Just swipe on the screen quickly S-O-S 3 times and press the power , power+volume-up, power+volume-down three times, make a frownie face, shake your head left to right three times, (customizable to up-down motion in India). The phone will go into secure unlock model
You have one millionth of a second to do all this.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
This time you won't be holding it wrong, you'll be looking at it funny...
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
So, if I'm in an auto accident, or I trip and fall face-first into the sidewalk, or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
Facial recognition for anything really urgent sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
Probably, facial recognition with consumer grade equipment is notoriously unreliable. Hell, Quasimodo could probably open your phone.
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They have such a feature. It is called "settings". Chose another setting. You aren't locked in to this one (pun intended.)
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Billions of instructions per second. Face recognition in millionths of a second. So they're going to accurately recognize a face running only a few thousand CPU instructions? Baloney.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
or if I'm assaulted and have a broken nose, a black eye and blood on my face, will the "facial recognition" still unlock my phone and let me call the cops?
As one of my friend's Facebook updates last week comically showed, at least on a Surface Pro, no, blood on your face does not let you unlock the screen :-)
However, what kind of phone do you have that requires you to unlock in order to make an emergency call? I don't think I've seen one like that before.
You could always just enter the passcode, which is a backup for Touch ID today.
How does it work in the dark? No light on the front unless the screen can fully illuminate
Some kids will still have their phones opened by their Mom. (maybe they look more like Dad yikes)
I wondered the same thing. First it's not even possible in the sense that it takes longer than a microsecond to collect the light for the image. But ignoring that, I suspect that the process is highly parallel and highly local in pixels so perhaps a GPU can do the job making the impossible processing throughtput requirements possible. Even so, The clock rate out of the camera chip itself would seem like a formidable barrier. I wonder if it's possible the camera chip itself has some logic in it. That would probably save a lot of energy too, doing in situ.
However I'm cynically guessing some software engineer here is quoting some algorithmic step's time ignoring the image formation time, the time it takes to even refresh the screen (after the unlock) or load the data into memory.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
I think you can always register your ass as a back-up.
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Head butt the phone quickly five times!
so you type in your backup passcode!. just like how the fingerprint scanner works now there will be a passcode backup.
You completely missed bobmajdakjr's point. The concern is that police can now access your phone and therefore all of your personal information, stored passwords, and account just but pointing the phone at your face. Police should never have access to this information. Privacy must be protected to ensure liberty.
On the same topic though, iOS 11 will have a feature that allows you to tap the sleep/wake button several times in rapid succession that will completely disable TouchID and the new Facial Recognition features to address this concern. Cheers to Apple!!
Cameras that work at 1/1,000,000 exposure time are a whole different beast. Maybe once the image is taken, it can be processed at that speed, but it's meaningless to claim it works that fast.
To clarify, the only way to access the device when that new privacy safeguard is utilized is to then type in the display passcode to enter the device (which, if successful, will then reenable TouchID and facial recognition).
Police can never compel you to share your passwords; passwords are in your mind, they'd have to torture you to -maybe- get that from you.
That's brilliant!
Yes, it's the same in the US, too. I have an old iPhone that is no longer on a plan, which I use as a music player but it cannot send/receive data or make calls. However, in an emergency, it could be used to call 911 even from the lock screen.
Tapping the side button the phone five times in iOS11 disables touch login and requires the passcode, which the US police cannot (legally at least, $5 wrenches aside) compell you to provide. Presumably it'll do the same thing for face login too.
It's bad enough now where you have to take off a glove to use your phone in the winter. Now to unlock the phone if it's -30 out you have to unprotect your face.
Clothing technology has evolved to follow the needs.
Given that the current solution for capacitive touch screen, is to equip either ski gloves, or under-gloves, with a touch capacitive surface. (basically the index finger works like a stylus),
I was wondering what the corresponding adaptation would be for iPhone 8 : maybe those novelty ski goggles with a hologram lens - except instead of showing the usual Yeti, tiger or skull, they actually show what your face would look without goggles ?
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Maybe he could construct some kind of protective cage around himself that would allow him to use his devices in relative safety without requiring a ludicrous amount of safety equipment?
I'm not sure what you would call the kind of arrangement you'd end up with.
I know you're joking, but BMW has exactly released that :
prepare your eyes to be shocked by the bastard fruit of a forbidden sex night between a smart car and a motor scooter.
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Police can never compel you to share your passwords; passwords are in your mind, they'd have to torture you to -maybe- get that from you.
That could be arranged, methinks.
I don't think it would work for fingerprint
Well, the whole thread is about these modern phones which try to avoi non-display area (both TFA's iPhone 8 and also latest by Samsung), not being able to hide a fingerprint scanner under the whole-area screen.
You can't have fingerprints on device that don't have bezels (yet - see how the technology evolves in the next few years).
Thus, technology as 3D face scanning are the only biometrics that you can manage to put into such a phone. (cameras are apparently something that manufacturer did manage to cram in a whole-surface/no-bezel screen. The patent filing I've happen to have seen, seem to point toward a miniature hole a few pixels across in the middle of the top status bar)
Thus the people complaining, about freezing-cold weather :
as if removing gloves for PIN-codes / swipe codes / fingerprint scan wasn't enough,
now this technolog would require to remove ski goggles and helmets, just to unlock the phone ?
Hence my joke :
- touch screen -> touch ski-gloves
- face scan -> face on "novelty hologram" ski-goggles ?
And speaking of jokes :
- if "identity theft" of fingerprint scanners is about cutting fingers
what the hell is the equivalent identity theft with face scanners ?
Going full "Game of Thrones' Arya" on some victim's head ? Enrollement at the school of Faceless-Men is surely going to get high ?
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Don't be retarded. Facial recognition is just one of many possible forms of authentication, the others being the fingerprint reader, and of course your passcode.
There must be more to it, someone points my phone at my face and it unlocks. That's not very secure
just tested this on beta 6. it does not. it allows you to place an emergency call without pin. and shut off the device.
never mind. it actually does. sneaky.
about 800,000,000 millionths of a dollar (I'm guessing).
Pssst ... light travels only 1 meter in 3 microseconds. I don't think a goddam phone can capture an image, let alone process it, that fast.