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Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website (nytimes.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: An influential website linked to violence at the Group of 20 summit meeting in Hamburg last month has been ordered to shut down, in the first such move against left-wing extremists in the country (alternative source), the authorities in Germany said on Friday. Thomas de Maiziere, the interior minister, said that the unrest in Hamburg, during which more than 20,000 police officers were deployed and more than 400 people arrested or detained, had been stirred up on the website and showed the "serious consequences" of left-wing extremism. "The prelude to the G-20 summit in Hamburg was not the only time that violent actions and attacks on infrastructural facilities were mobilized on linksunten.indymedia," he said, referring to the website. The order on Friday was the latest move in a long battle against extremism in Germany. It comes in the wake of the violence in Charlottesville, Va., this month and amid worries about "antifa" factions that use violence to combat the far-right in the United States.
Radical right-wing extremists that feel emboldened by Trumps victory seem to be cropping up everywhere. Most of them have priorities to topple the government and adopt a lifestyle with rule of law administered by sidearms along with white supremacy. More than a few bend the teachings of the bible to appear to support their beliefs.
Why we must protect freedom of political speech in the US. Fortunately we have strong laws to do this. Google and Facebook should not be the arbiters of speech. Universities should not live in fear of letting people talk.
We do not want to hand the power they have in Germany to silence people to a man like Trump, or anyone who claims to be a fascist or anti-fascist (aka, communist)
You stop them from breaking the law.
This is just bass ackwards.
Isn't someone's political ideology separate from how they achieve it? Anyone that uses violence to politically motivate, whether it be left-wing or right-wing, is what is being contained.
To hedge off the first round of comments:
1) Yes, I will admit that some sects of ideology are more prone to using such tactics but these exist everywhere on the political spectrum.
2) No, this doesn't mean we should or shouldn't tolerate an idea. It is that we should consider how a group is trying to influence change. If it is sitting in someone's basement minding their own business should we care? Probably not. If it is setting fires to buildings? Yeah, I care almost no matter what the purpose.
Good. Every large group has it's version of Soccer Hooligans. The left is no different. The difference is (as Noam Chomsky noted) the Right is _much_ better at violence than the Left. Their love of strong authority figures means they can organize better and they've got more ex-military guys. The Left can win on issues because our policies work. But we can't win on violence because, well, we're not nearly as violent (and yes, that's probably a slightly controversial idea, but that doesn't make it less true).
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... amid worries about "antifa" factions that use violence to combat the VIOLENCE ALREADY IN USE BY THE far-right in the United States.
fuck Drumpf and his alt-right/neo-nazi/surpremacist supporters.
go ahead. find the 200 years+ of black people terrorizing white people in the U.S. oh, what, you can't? but because some of the black people are fed up and fighting back, they're the bad guys. should have thought of that before you white elites thought of terms like "collateral damage" and other b.s.
I'm a big believer in free speech and all that, but I am glad that Germany is at least applying whatever laws against extremist speech they have to both sides equally. Keep in mind though that they have an extensive and fairly recent history of actual left wing terrorism.
It can be hard to tell the fascists and antifascists apart sometimes, in methods, ideology and in appearance. Just how hard it can be was nicely illustrated today in an article on a Dutch left wing (and fairly sympathetic to Antifa) blog about how the altish-rightish FvD party has ties with neo-nazis. The article itself isn't relevant, but it carried a picture of a group of scary looking masked people with red, black and white banners, one of them flashing what at first glance appears to be a nazi salute. That blog could be forgiven for the fact that these are not neo-nazis, but Antifa. You can tell by looking closely at the flags.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Websites have been shut-down before. Left-wing websites as well. And once, the French even sank a ship.
Somebody always thinks what you're saying is exactly as bad. The solution here is just physically beat the people who cannot deal with "words they don't like" to toughen them up, or better, have them expire and die. The human race needs heroes who are fearless and not scared of words, otherwise it will turn into a big fat hypersensitive bitch. It's better that the human race be exterminated than become a big faggy, balding millenial piece of shit worried if something it said or did was offensive. If nothing else, we owe that much to those who come after us.
If this web site was the worst site that needs to be shut down, Germany would be a happy country ;-). It was in the large part only a forum with anonymous usage. The name associated it with the left and the moderators surely had their sympathies rather on the left end on the spectrum.
The site was used by extremists to announce their deeds and to blurp their justifications. On the other hands, they were constantly taking a beating by the far bigger majorities of lefties. It was always clearly visible, how isolated the extremists were.
Tactically the police robbed themselves of one of the best intelligence sources they had on the extreme left.
Because it is an extreme view based on a political viewpoint, without any pragmatic application.
I could give a shit less about ideology (left, right, niche, mainstream, underground, outer-space).
Can we please stop calling it out as though it matters?
Let's focus on the important thing:
- People who use violence to force or intimidate others into doing things their way
That behavior belongs in the stone age or after a zombie apocalypse.
The ill-reasoning behind the behavior doesn't matter at all.
Politically motivated violence (short of genocide) has been shown to be ineffective and many times counterproductive. However, if you think genocide is the answer then you have lost sight of what you were fighting for. Combating extremism with more extremism is a losing move.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
given that several European governments are tamping down on them. Antifa are mostly anarchists. By definition they're poorly organized. A well organized anarchist isn't an anarchist.
Also, you do know that Islamic Terrorists are right wing, right? They're conservative and authoritarian. As for economics, sure, they'll take control of all the money, but everybody but the anarchists does that. And the anarchists are really just giving that control up to the right wing (nature abhors a power vacuum).
And if you live in the United States it's a fact that there is more right wing terror acts than Left wing. I can't be bothered to google the proof for you right now, but you could find it by highlighting the last sentence and clicking "Search google for..."
You're just noticing the Left more because the Right owns the media and is using it to push it's narrative. They're doing this so they can take more money from the working class for themselves. And that's sorta why I'm on the Left...
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"It comes in the wake of the violence in Charlottesville, Va., this month and amid worries about "antifa" factions that use violence to combat the far-right in the United States."
The Charlottesville incident, where a member of the RIGHT drove a car into a crowd, killing a LEFTIST counter-protestor?
Although the right wing gets all the negative press in practice violent far left extremism is a far more serious problem in Greece.
Exhibit A: Golden Dawn. This is characterized as a "right wing" by the dumb ass leftist media who seem to forget it is nationalist SOCIALIST party. Nazis aren't small government types. They are socialists,,,, big government spenders... but only for those of their ethnic background. Not that it's wrong to care about those of your ethnic background but when ti comes to matters of state using ethnicity to judge rights ends up with Nazi-ish government polices that discriminate against citizens of a different ethnic background. The only reason why Nazis don't get along with communists is because communists take a more broad view of social services.
Exhibit B: All those Greek riots you saw on TV these last few years after we made a mess of our government fiances.... yup... mostly leftist extremists (to lessor degree anarchists). If every Greek got Euro for every strike and right leftists needlessly caused these last few years we would be well on our way to paying off our debt.
Exhibit C: Our election of a Marxist PM. The current PM of Greece, Alex Tsipiras, literally believes the communist tyrants during the cold war were on the right side. He literally believes communist terrorist Che Guevera is some sort of human rights activitist (named one of his sons after him)
There is a major problem with leftist extremism in Greece these days but it goes largely unreported because leftist newspapers sympathize with leftist Tsipiras while at the same time analogize any Greek that attempts to protect their own borders and Hellenism with "fascist" (see Macedonia name dispute where nearly everyone unethically plays dumb as the former Yugoslavians now claim to be "ancient Macedonians").
Center is largely toast in Greece these days. It's left and further left. Even the alleged "rightwing" parties have leftist policies.
Appalled as I am by any move to suppress speech, I'm happy the most murderous school of thought known to humanity so far is finally the target. A T-shirt with Che Guevara is — ought to be — far more offensive than one with Hitler.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It's the exact opposite. A simple google search will show thatright wing violence is 74% more common than left.
This shouldn't be surprising. Antifa groups are anarchists. By definition they're unorganized and loose knit. They reject authority on the face of it. The Right OTOH make authority a central plank of their ideology. Better organization leads to more effective violence. That's why militaries use a chain of command instead of voting.
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FREEDOM!
Congressman Scalise is improving, and is undergoing physical therapy so he can walk again.
After, you know, a Bernie Bro shot him and some other people.
And the former professor - again, a leftist - who slammed a bike lock into four people's heads, is still awaiting trial.
Not to mention the 200 or so leftists who are facing charges after their violent riots in Washington, DC.
Germany expands the category 'left-wing' to include anything objectionable.
Requiem for the American Dream
Need I say more?
When you demand that the free speech of others needs to be stifled because their speech offends you/you disagree with their speech, you should not be surprised when the headman's axe swings back in your direction.
An argument I am often drawn back to in these trying times was made by Christopher Hitchens in a Canadian debate on free speech:
Point 1: Free speech is as much about my right to hear what someone has to say as it is about someone's right to say it.
Point 2: Who are you going to appoint to decide what things you are allowed to listen to?
At the moment, many big tech companies seem to be self-appointing themselves to the post of what you are allowed to see/hear/comment about/say.
If these people were burning books, I think there would be more outrage; but, disappearing tweets, videos, web pages, or entire web sites -- not so much.
Germany has had this policy in place for the past several years (especially since the "immigrant crisis").
The only difference now is they are taking down a site full of people who thought; "We are the righteous ... this could never happen to us."
and then look up what their political views are. I think you'll be surprised (and mildly horrified). By 'media' I mean your radio, television and major newspapers. There's plenty of smaller fringes out there.
The media typically goes left on social issues (the ones that don't matter much) and right on economics (where real decisions are made).
There is one exception I can think of oddly enough, the BBC. Them and Al Jazeera are proabably the last bulwark of journalism left in the world. Though to be honest I don't follow the BBC's national coverage. I'd like to think if they'd been more on their toes Brexit wouldn't be happening right now.
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Conservatives want to keep things as is, unchanged. The Far right has taken over that term to disguise their radical agenda (I know, I hate that word too, but I don't have a better one for a group that want to make radical changes to our civilization).
There's an old line about the greatest trick the devil ever pulled and the Right did just that by branding "Conservative". Most folks are a tad on the Conservative side as soon as they have something to lose. By calling themselves that the Right hide their true nature.
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not sure what the hell gave you that idea. I'm a Democratic Socialist. And your comrades are going to get stomped to death by real, live Nazis long before you get around to shooting me. Not that that'll help either of us. They'll do the same to me. Meanwhile those same Nazi's will be laughing their asses off at the beer halls because your silly anarchist dreams were no match for their highly organized groups of brown shirts.
Join or Die friend. You're gonna have a government whether you like it or not. The only question is do you bother to participate.
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they tried just that in Boston and a few dozen showed up. Meanwhile 2000+ counter protesters showed up. Their rallies tend to be down south where racism is strong enough to bring them out. But they're spreading, and since they get along well with the economic and Christian right they've got a power base to grow and expand off of.
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and couldn't be more far right if they tried. What they do is use left wing Rhetoric and far right policies. That's where your confusion is.
It's important to have labels and shorthand to get a message across fast. Working Class people have limited time and attention spans. If you're trying to organize and help them you've got to work in those constraints. The Right can and will to your detriment and mine.
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Barry Goldwater would not approve of these shenanigans.
https://youtu.be/RVNoClu0h9M
And yes I do consider destroying the system that produces and distributes all goods (especially food) "violence". And starving to death is much more painful than a bullet.
Cool, you are a racist then. I have seen many posts of yours supporting the DNC, march with the racists you are a racist.
DNC - start civil war to keep slavery
DNC - attempted to prevent women from voting
DNC - attempted to keep blacks from voting
DNC - filibusted civil rights act
DNC - kept KKK leader as their top senator for 60+ years and celebrated him as a hero after he died.
DNC - supports planned parenthood, started by M. Sanger who wanted to exterminate blacks in the US by abortions (blacks are 13% of population and 50% of abortions)
So congratulations racist. If you didn't want to be called one, you shouldn't have supported them.
In Star Trek Next Gen and maybe original series there is an episode where they had to 'Drop the shields' in order to save themselves and overcome a force that was feeding off the shield energy. While it definitely seemed counter-intuitive to do so, there could be something to this....
'If you want to start a war, a good way is to start chanting for peace'
What is it with them? Can't they see they're acting the same way as in the past which lead to very bad results.
"This [thing] is wrong, ban it! Report anyone you see doing it! Lock up people who are part of it! Kill -- people who are part of it." Morons!
It's worked great for dictators for millennia. Sure, every now and then one of 'em gets toppled, but that's surprisingly rare.
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This is a strawman argument which is getting rather tiresome. The people accused of being Nazis are the ones adopting Nazi symbolism and ideologies, and describing themselves as Nazis.
Nazis deserve all of the protections afforded by law, and no others. In advocating genocide, you give up the protections of common human decency. People will choose not to help you, choose not to associate with you, and if you trip, they will not only let you fall, but judge you for falling as well. It's a pretty tough gig. Fortunately, being a Nazi is not a congenital condition, and the cure is pretty simple. You just kinda have to say that you're not a Nazi, and preferably not make too many statements in favor of genocide.
Saying, "I am a Nazi" isn't saying, "I deserve to have people do bad things to me," it's saying, "I deserve whatever happens to me." You get all of the downsides of being a disliked minority, and no advocates. If you give people a reason to strongly dislike you without knowing you at all, that's actually sufficient for you to have a pretty bad time in life (see also being transgender).
Your objection is a nice cover for your white male victimization syndrome.
they tried just that in Boston and a few dozen showed up.
Looked to me like the "few dozen" that showed up at Bostons free speech rally were a bunch of hippies and anti-gmo people. While they were talking about hippy things and gmo's, the counter protesters were screaming "Nazis!", "Fascists!", and "Racists!"
"His name was James Damore."
Good. Every large group has it's version of Soccer Hooligans. The left is no different. The difference is (as Noam Chomsky noted) the Right is _much_ better at violence than the Left.
So why is it that the Left in the U.S. are the only ones so far that have shot or killed anyone?
Granted the ones who killed people were rather crazy and it's hard to label them exactly, but they all mostly read eliminationsist rhetoric from the left.
"The right is better organized" is a "fact" I would heavily dispute, since the most violent leftist felons are controlled by someone who all he literally knows how to do is organize communities. The right is only now trying to catch up but they are light-years beyond at shipping around people who make violence a profession.
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US "Conservatives" aren't. They're Radical Regressives. Trying to regress society back to some imaginary 'good 'ole times'. They're borrowing the Rhetoric of true Conservatives in exactly the same way Stalin borrowed the rhetoric of Progressives; to mask ill intent.
Ignore what they say, pay attention to what they _do_.
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And you have war crimes committed during WW2 by Germany.
Japanese and you have internment camps in the US during WW2.
Gays and you have countries all over the world.
Natives and you have every country ever.
It's not just a slippery slope, it is how all the worst atrocities have been justified.
they can't coexist because the Right wing want radical, sweeping changes to our social and economic order. You can't be Conservative and support that. As soon as you do you're no longer Conservative. Like an Anarchist trying to be Authoritarian. The two are fundamentally opposed.
They Right realized that a substantial number of people are Conservative out of fear of losing what they had. So they synced their rhetoric with those peoples wishes to hide their true intentions.
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"The left" is meant to describe half the voting population, but almost none of them actually have any of the zany motivations you just ascribed to them.
>but they are the ones determining what speech they allow on THEIR OWN SERVERS and running through THEIR OWN SERVICES.
Then let them guard "their own" "intellectual property" - as in copyrights, patents, trademarks, domain names, whatever - WITHOUT using government's resources. As soon as they DO STOP siphoning off taxpayers' money on enforcing these GOVERNMENT-PROVIDED MONOPOLY GRANTS - they could be "the ones determining" to their hearts' content. But not before.
What I would 'tell the family' is that MORE SPEECH is the best herd-immunity against hate speech. If white-supremacists were allowed to speak freely (without antifa mobs rioting) they would just look like fools. LESS people would be swayed to their side rather than more. Just imagine Anna Kasparian debating a white supremacist. In a bikini. (her not him you schmuck!) In general when speech is suppressed then WORSE societal behaviors often end up fomenting in the fringes. You're outspoken on slashdot. You'll take on a white supremacist idiot in the public forum. I have faith in people like you. And if you find any bikini pics of Anna Kasparian (blonde era), do forward them. P.S. Here's the 'Battle of The Blondes' Coulter vs. Kasparian at Politicon and Toure being sexist by calling it a catfight. Yeah, I'm being sexist too but look at her legs when she gets up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The best defense against hate speech is more speech. Let these idiots be ridiculed in the public square. NONE of them could handle themselves in a debate on the news. They'd just look like uneducated, uninformed, tribal, socially backwards members of some particularly regressive religions. Seriously -- those guys do NOT get the hot girls. So let them speak. When the ACLU defended the right of actual NAZI's to march it was the right thing to do. (although it was funnier when Mel Brooks dressed as Hitler.)
Strat - I surmise that a good deal of the anti-speech movement on the left comes from, as one philosopher phrases it, "A Desire to Be Heroic." It is, as of yet, unclear to me what the highest quality approaches are to discussing this. Some of us believe the best defense against hate speech is MORE SPEECH. Suggesting this quickly got you labelled a member of the aryan nation by one responder. No doubt I'll get flamed too for responding to a couple of them. I included images of what MORE SPEECH means to me (Anna Kasparian's legs, Mel Brooks impersonating Hitler, Woody Allen as Castro). However the 'YOU ARE A WHITE RACIST' response quickly follows. And it's worthless, in my case for example, to explain that I'm not white. Nor will I pass the 'paper bag test' any time soon.
dfenstrate - That was a lucid, logical and cogent response. Thank you. Valuable for me to paste into my debate points for future reference. Needed a concision in my response to "White Supremacist terror is the greater threat." Okay, maybe 'concision' isn't a word. Yet. Until I repeat it enough. Muhahahaahahahah. P.S. The 'marine' who recently killed the two cops also happened to be Black (by casual observation), a Black Lives Supporter (by Facebook posts), and Muslim by, oh, his new name Muhammad Ali (Facebook again, which also contains his anti-white rants.) http://www.thegatewaypundit.co... Yeah, well, anyway, I just can't find myself to be worried that, in general, it would be former marines that are going to ram a building with aircraft full of passengers or shoot up a gay nightclub.
Only one specific subdomain was declared illegal, lots of others and the indymedia domain itself are unaffectec
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Rockoon - Your response is intriguing. I've been trying to figure out the [reason] so many people in USA would think the media is right-wing. I mean, the number is FAR over the few points of fringe in any standard deviation. My placeholder for [reason] was [lives in an alternate universe]....and I think you just described that universe to me. Which will assist with my own active efforts to bring further rationality. Can you elaborate more on this mindset? Even if you were joking -- your explanation is still the MOST logical one I have encountered for any normative human to be able to say "the press right-wing dominated". P.S. Did you notice that Trudeau in the great north is deporting record numbers of immigrants? What happened to his tweet welcoming refugees with open arms in response to American enforcement of border law. Maybe one day our 'right wing' dominated press will report on that. And the collapse of Venezuela.
Was seeing a Democratic Socialist being effectively called a Right Wing Zealot. Much more amusing than my being called out for being a White-Nationalist for my defense of freedom of speech in the public square. Seriously - I'd be THE MOST AWESOME White Nationalist EVER because I'm so brown that I should sue UPS for cultural appropriation. Oh shit...that's not actually funny because Yoga is under attack and universities can't have Mexican Food Day. But I REALLY REALLY like white women. So maybe I'm a white nationalist in that respect. Why white women you say? Easy. The flavor and the aroma. However -- back to serious points -- any defense of the tenets of Western Culture (including use of the words Western Culture) trigger the "You are a racist capitalist white supremacist!" against even those of us who are philosophically and biologically incapable of such feats. Then the dialectic fails. Shouting begins. Fighting possible. (That ALWAYS means fewer white women in bikinis, unless it is in amateur female jello wrestling which I am familiar with as I once managed Hillbilly Hussy). What, if any, could be a way to enter this debate without being labelled a KKK Grand Dragon?
moronoxyd - I am interested in your point that leftist violence is mainly property damage while rightist violence leads to greater shootings and bombings. Some would debate your point by saying "millions of people were killed by the left (Stalin, Mao)" but that's pointless and doesn't apply to a point you're making about TODAY. The Stalin/Mao point is often an intellectually lazy knee-jerk response. I appreciate you're talking about TODAY. I am interested in your 'left=property damage VS. right=guns+bombings'. As of TODAY the most recent history is that a leftist wing-nut attacked a baseball field of Republican congressmen with a semi-automatic combat rifle. Two FL policemen were assassinated by a 'former marine'. Former Marine sounds rightist until one find out the media covered up he is actually a BLM supporter, Black Power rant-maker, Muslim Convert, Black himself, and Leftist based on his social media data. Okay, I agree those are micro datapoints. Lets go macro - about 13% of the population is responsible for about 50% our murders -- done mainly with guns. That 13% is virtually entirely comprised of a Democratic constituency. Gun violence is highest in Democrat controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago, D.C. These are cities controlled by the left for DECADES. While on the other hand virtually zero NRA members are violent criminals because felons cannot own guns. (Even if every NRA member was a closet felon they aren't killing at 4x-5x their population count). Okay -- in the interest of brevity, I will cease at two TODAY micro points and two TODAY macro points. All easily googled. Of course I could be wrong in seeing more leftist gun violence. I am human (albeit a suave and charming one, still flawed and prone to error). Please tell me why I should change my opinion to yours. I have an open mind. Thank you.
Kirby (sic) -- now you STOP IT with your true-facts which happen just not get reported by the press unless they are FORCED TO. Did you not realize some former Obama voter and Occupy dude recently declared himself a white nationalist and killed some chick at a protest. And for that we should impeach Donald Trump and install Maxine Waters as president. And we should take all of Trumps stuff because after DECADES in the public eye with HORDES of enemies (Rosie O'Donnel counts as one or more hordes herself) we now realize he's racist. Black people winning The Apprentice was cover and his employees like Omarosa (she's white house staff!) are really white chicks wearing shoe polish. Viva la revolucion!!!
PopeRatzo - you often reply cogently and wittily. I look forward to your posts whether I agree with them or not. (Actually, disagree is MORE interesting cuz you put out some some really really good slapdowns.) Can you explain however how you believe that right nationalists appear on college campuses? Not even feminist, black woman and former muslim Ayaan Hirsi can appear on campus without riots threatened and honorary degrees revoked (Brandeis) because of leftist campus control. Maybe you consider Orthodox Jews like Ben Shapiro to be 'white supremacist' because he's caucasian even though the skinheads want him dead. He is also highly protested and even locked out of some campuses. (youtube video of police blocks available). Berkeley rioting shut down Milo and has, for now, halted Anne Coulter. If Milo is a WS that means White Supremacy now contains fantabulous (and often flaming ) gays who prefer black lovers. (shit man, that's almost a white supremacy that I could get into) And he's proud to state he's catching, not pitching, and I don't think one bottoms their way to supremacy. (I could be wrong. I'm heterosexual so maybe I just don't know.) So help me understand how I come over to your side and espouse that college campuses are where white supremacists foment. BTW -- the story you linked is absolutely an example of awful violent detestable white-supremacist cowards who should be put away for decades or more. It underscores they are thankfully a minority. According to 2014 FBI Homicide statistics 8% of black murders were by whites - no doubt often like the skinhead scum in your link. However 15% of killed whites were murdered by blacks. Whites are 77% of America, and blacks are 13%. Seems like one group there is underrepresented as murderers and the other vastly over-represented. I always enjoy your thoughts and I am interested in why I should adopt your points instead of what appears to be factual information to the opposite. I am rational enough to change my opinions based on properly understanding facts. Yeah -- and I'm man enough to handle your quick slapdowns. I'll probably enjoy it (but hey -- I'm not coming on to you, just so you know....unless you're really cute, clever and female and about 22-28 but I suspect you're not precisely in that ven intersection ) P.S. Ever see 'Midnight Cowboy'? Oscar winning 60's film. Dustin Hoffman's character is called 'Ratzo' at times in the movie. Whenever I see your handle the images that hit are Hoffman + Pope Of Greenwich Village. The set of memes it invokes for me is really cool.
Almost all, if not all, violence at the G20 was either carried out by police, or instigated by police (when they start beating people up, using hoses, forcefully trying to drive protesters away etc.)
The use of the term "linked to G20 violence", applied to a website, is underhanded, since it surreptitiously makes you assume it's left wing "extremists" who were violent and the question is how/whether they should be suppressed or not.
Do you suppose somebody would entertain, say, shutting the police website's down because of their link to violence at G20? Hmm.
rsilvergun - the 'spreading' of the white nationalist movement is indeed of concern. I can see how there will be some overlap with the Christian Right. It is not exactly clear to me how they fit with the Economic Right. I am willing to learn about all of these points. Can you links or recommendations for high-quality sources for this info? I ask for recommendations because finding non-politicized data about divisive issues can be labor intensive. And I am truly interested in updating my fact set via the advice of other rational men. I also like bourbon and women and I find all of these can be combined at the same bar -- however we are, as of now, confined to slashdot. I know there is media narrative of growth of white power. But this is the same media that colluded with the DNC (Wikileaks emails) to destroy Bernie Sanders' ability to compete with Hillary Clinton. The 'growth of white power' reports from the Obama admin appear to be an exaggerated story expressly created to replace any discussion of Islamic Terrorism. But I am human and all the bourbon and woman-chasing could easily make me miss the trend you're seeing. I'm not debating your observation with counterpoints. I do not have an opinion on the growth of white supremacy because I thought the SPLC killing off the Klan's brand was a milestone in the successful process of ridding ourselves of those people. I have a vested interest in non-tribalism as an American and an actual, bona-fide brown man myself. Who should I trust, or what direction should I search to learn about the growth of White Supremacy in the USA? P.S. I like to hang out in the south. (I do so like southern girls.) As a brown man on a motorcycle I'm both more obvious and more vulnerable. My girlfriends are always white. (is this jungle fever or racism? I say sexual preference -- no heritage performs better in bed for a man of my ethnicity than white women. That discussion another day.) So I guess I'm a really good target for white supremacists -- a brown northern tech exec who dates very attractive white women and celebrates Pride. Great you asswipe -- now you've made me paranoid. :) Kidding aside -- yeah, your point matters. What is best way to learn? (and I actually would avoid getting lynched if there's hotbeds of that about to occur. contrary to Road Warrior type films a motorcycle IS NOT a good attack or defense platform.)
Dangit honkey! That's what I mean by a PopeRatzo slapdown! Not a factual response, yet humor doesn't require agreement and I do (as previously stated) enjoy the wit even its not (yet) backed up by fact. Scott Adams espouses the use of "linguistic kill shots" - enjoyable and rational reading.
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That's exactly what someone from 4chan/pol/ would say.
Anyway, welcome to Slashdot. But remember, I'll be keeping an eye on you.
Dude -- that was the first belly laugh of the day. Well done. I myself wish I could be so succinct and punchy when writing. My writing is painfully verbose (as you are suffering now, I sympathize). I don't suffer the same malady in speech. Quite the opposite where I can approach Robin Williams multi-manic.
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However now I must visit 4chan for the first time and actually post something. This is to memorialize a good moment and an excellent cap to my being hazed by a veteran slashdotter.
The absolutely GEEKIEST thing that I have is a Skyrim necklace. Even Slashdotters have to admit a Skyrim necklace is pretty darned Nerdtastic even in North Dweebistan. I possess a Skyrim necklace because the young woman who sells me replacement elements for our gaming consoles decided I was such a good client that she would present me with the pewter dragon centered rhombus.
There are some phenomena in life that come with their own rule. With this it was "If someone gives you a Skyrim necklace with extremely high intent, then you must wear the Skyrim necklace to learn something about yourself." So I wore the Skyrim Necklace for like 3 days. Each day worried that someone would find out. What's funny is that I was alone in this facility for those three days. This is not irrational. If women knew exactly how weird I am, there would be a LOT less sex. And probably referrals to therapy.
On the upside when I wear it I'm +5 Int and +20 Dex, albeit limited to fingers only. But that's countered with -50 Sex Appeal.
Much appreciated. That list is more than enough for me increase the level at which I am informed. Will hail you to learn more as this suggests I'm missing an important information input. I am moderately certain that knowledge of this trend of White Supremacists on college campuses is largely unknown by many, many people who are aware that conservative speakers (Coulter, Shapiro, Ayaan Hirsi-Ali) are yet persona non grata. This is some form of double crime if WP's are allowed while fiscal & social conservatives (who are not racists and often black, like Ayaan or WP targets like Orthodox 'Funny Hat Wearing'-his words- Shapiro) are defacto barred. Yep -- I've got something to learn here about actual reality. Thanks.
P.S. I have decided that in light of recent events I must visit 4chan over a multi day period. And post something meaningful. If that is possible on 4chan. When I do that I must wear The Skyrim Necklace. It sits here now. On my desk. Mocking...yet seducing me. Now that I look at it -- it's actually quite nicely machined. Smooth...very little torsion yet still flexible -- not brittle. Much better metal than I expected.
When ANTIFA starts constructing militia in rural parts of the US and start stockpiling millions of militarized weapons and goods to the point that the FBI, DEA and CIA are scared of them, THEN I'll worry about left wing radicals in the US. Until then, they have my full support.
You ofter no links to prove our absurd assertions, and the very last shooter to attack people was a die hard Sanders supporter with the Republican he shot just learning to walk again. What an asshole you must be in real life to ignore violence like that against anyone!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually its manslaughter at best, she was part of a crowd actively attacking the vehicle..
Some could try and spin self-defense, however that is unlikely unless the vehicle had been breached..
Since you asked.
And Trump is a diehard Alex Jones fan. And when campaigning trump peddled much the same progressive talking points as Bernie's points. Sans actual policy.
So trump is a leftist?!?!?!?!
Don't think so.
Super stupid.
Sorry, it's just the facts. "Liberal media" is part of the PR fluffery to ensure you don't accept any news other than the one media source you like that is making the accusation against the media source you don't like.
In the 18th and early 19th centuries, religion was almost entirely absent from weddings. Then in the mid 1800s the church demanded that they become more important to people's lives and pressured governments to make weddings the sole remit of the church. That way you could not get married unless you went to a church near you.
The only last vestiges of the correct way (in a historically accurate way of "it was always..") is the right of a captain to perform the marriage ceremony.
Only recently has the state come back in to take some of the right back.
Oh, and you'd have to fuck over a lot of people with tax hikes and institute a shit-ton of new law for medical rights, inheritance rights and partnerships that replace exactly what marriage does if you want to get government out of weddings entirely.
And if states decide what is legal, what happens when two married people move to a state that insists they're not?
And since you want it to be religious only, how does THAT work with states? Does OH have a different christianity than TX?
Your desires are so badly thought out they are not even thought about.
Oh, you forgot about her? Was it because she was female and a democrat and her shooter was a rightwinger?
And even when not cash it's payment in kind, still payment.
So you'll be demanding that Boeing et al all open up their books, right? You're not going to only demand openness of government for the places you didn't go and don't benefit from are you? Because that would be hypocritical and we can therefore ignore your claim above.
So stalemate. Until we work this out, we can't force them to be beholden to federal governemnt restrictions.