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Facebook Enabled Advertisers To Reach 'Jew Haters' (propublica.org)
ProPublica is reporting that Facebook "enabled advertisers to direct their pitches to the news feeds of almost 2,300 people who expressed interest in the topics of 'Jew hater,' 'How to burn jews,' or, 'History of why jews ruin the world.'" The organization even went so far as to test these ad categories by paying $30 to target those groups with three "promoted posts" -- in which a ProPublica article or post was displayed in their news feeds. Facebook reportedly approved all three ads within 15 minutes. From the report: After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people -- and said it would explore ways to fix the problem, such as limiting the number of categories available or scrutinizing them before they are displayed to buyers. In all likelihood, the ad categories that we spotted were automatically generated because people had listed those anti-Semitic themes on their Facebook profiles as an interest, an employer or a "field of study." Facebook's algorithm automatically transforms people's declared interests into advertising categories. [ProPublica provides a screenshot of their ad buying process on the company's advertising portal.]
"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."
"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."
Who lists "Jew hater" as their occupation on Facebook? Why do I feel like 4chan figured out how their algorithms work and did this to troll FB?
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Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.
For what though, not being extreme enough? There are prominent Jews on both the left and the right, some of whom are pretty far toward those extremes.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
It's not that Facebook is targeting any group; it's this "advertiser" putting in a string which matched.
Much as I dislike Facebook for their intrusiveness, I wouldn't go so far to say that they would have this as a category.
Any word on what they were selling to "jew haters?"
Not during National Brotherhood week!.
Seriously though, no. Both sides are not bad. Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks. The right embraces as another part of the Southern Strategy. It's how they divide the working class...
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Twitter, Facebook, Google and other companies keep blaming some sir or madamn called "algorithm" for everything they do wrong these days?
Yes, the Left are practically entitled to wear haloes, because you sez so.
You wouldn't happen to be on the left, would you??
You obviously do not have a Jewish child at a UC.
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The devil is in the details:
You are welcome on my lawn.
Nice try but left wing progressives don't hate Jews and many Jews are left wing progressives. You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.
but left wing progressives don't hate Jews .... Israeli blah blah
No, it's Jews. All kinds of left wing groupthinkers (and others) are anti semites. Helen Thomas, Sharpton, Gibson, Oliver Stone, the whole Sheen clan, Assange. All sorts. They get caught in polite company or recorded somehow and then cop-out with the "I meant Israel" line, but they were talking about Jews when they unzipped their fly. The "It's not Jews, it's Israel" line is transparent and you should probably quit playing that card; it only calls you out as the left wing bigot you are.
And no, the fact that you can point out Jews that hate Israel or Judaism doesn't play; self-loathing is a thing, particularly among liberals.
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You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.
It's interesting how quickly some Jews here in America forget their more recent pasts, on the receiving end of similar abuses in Europe and elsewhere. The state of Israel is harsh towards the Palestinians because it has to be to survive in such a dangerous neighborhood. Who will come to the rescue of Israel if they fail to defend themselves? The Jews in Israel are wise to rely upon the protection of their own weapons and courage rather than the promises of those who will turn their backs on them as soon as it's convenient.
of antisemitism there, but none the incidence have been traced to left leaning groups and the staff has consistently denounced antisemitism even if they don't outright ban it. As for why banning it isn't helpful, well there's a good reason why right here. Letting them hold their little rallies and seeing how few show up to rally is way more productive then banning them.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me. The average "progressive" hates Jews more than the Daily Stormer. They are kicking the Jews out of gay pride marches and womens' rights marches. Voat is friendlier to Jews than the average "progressive". They've had a guy posting Jewish interest stories and outright Zionist propaganda on Voat for years and no one's fucked with him. Try that on any "progressive" site like Reddit and its an instant ban.
The Zionists are the Jewish left, by the way. They are socialists. The Jewish right just call themselves Jews.
The vast majority of those "actions" never happened. Name one and it's probably a fake news report. Using chemical weapons on schools? Israel used smoke bombs on the streets and some of them landed on buildings and started fires. Rounding up children to slaughter them and sell their organs? One teenaged soldier was given an autopsy after he died in custody from his gunshot wounds. Starving Gaza with a blockade? Israel let food and medicine through and blocked only military or dual-use supplies. That boy and his father hiding behind the barrel from the Israelis before a sniper shot the boy? Ballistic analysis showed that the bullets could not possibly have come from the Israeli position. The entire "occupation"? The West Bank has legally been Israeli territory since the 1994 treaty with Jordan and there has been no Israeli occupation of, or presence in the Arab cities for nearly that long.
The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS. They are a terrorist organization that wants all Jews dead. Talk to somebody over the age of 30. Right now you're just spitting out slogans that show you don't have the slightest clue about the situation, you just believe the lies you see on the BBC or in the New York Times. There are reasons that intelligent people don't take the mainstream media seriously and their ridiculous, totally fake reporting on Israel is one of the biggest.
This'll be why the Israeli media in the run-up to the last election was telling US Jews to vote Republican because the Democrats are full of anti-semites.
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"Blumenthal Sr. is a proud father. He regularly shared his son’s ravings with Clinton, and she shared his delight. In eight separate emails over the course of her tenure in office, Clinton enthusiastically praised his Jew-hating propaganda."
But, hey, SJWs always lie.
If you branch out far enough to the left or right, you reach the loopy area where people still attempt to rationally argue about the credibility of Leon Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot. The KKK become like comic book villans or heroes, yer choice which. It's not a place that ordinary rational people can even comprehend if they have never encountered it.
You can't really tell that to the rabbits, and just ignore the overpopulation of foxes caused by removal of the foxes predators from the environment.
Except for the fact the Irish had a country there first.
I study the situation. They hate the Jews because they believe them masterminds of a plot to control them.
yep, each extreme goes so far that they eventually meet up and become the same sort of bigot who thinks they know better than everyone else and should bow to them.
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Aah, discrimination: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
"After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people"
On FB even the algorithms are Nazis, that's what we can expect from AI.
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Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
So removing that category also removed them from existence and removes their profile data? Wow, who knew? In fact it magically makes racism go away by plugging your ears and pretending you don't hear it. That's SJW logic right there. By the way, "jew haters" buy products too.
You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.
In many cases, this is just a cover for antisemitism. For example, the UN Human Rights Council has issued more condemnations of Israel than of the rest of the world combined (overview). Israel's human rights record is less than stellar - but it's far better than that of many other countries, including many of those on the council. Why do you think this is, if not antisemitism on the part of the largely-Islamic council?
Or take the "Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions" movement, supported by many left-wing Western academics. Again, it uses Israel's actions as an excuse, but it's quite transparently antisemitic, with overtones of the German boycotts of Jewish businesses in the 1930s.
Most generally, the ongoing rapprochement of political progressives with increasingly-radical Islam inevitably brings it into conflict with Jews, as well as with other groups that have traditionally been among their supporters; notably, gays. For the first time in decades, antisemitism is more prevalent on the Left than on the Right, and it's a result of the Democratic party (and foreign counterparts) pivoting to court a new demographic of antisemitic Muslims ... rather similar to the Republicans pivoting to court Southern white racists in the 1950s.
The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS.
It's hard to argue with someone who shows such understanding.
Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments. Christians and Muslims are prohibited by their respective religious texts from engaging in usury and for a lot of the last few hundred years this meant that the only people who made money by lending money (and, therefore, the only people that you could get a loan from) were Jews. This was inshrined in law in a lot of Europe: Christians and Muslims were prohibited not just by their faith, but by the legal system, from charging interest.
It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).
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Left-wing antisemitism exists and was partly spurred by the situation in Palestine. Not just for left-wing radicals, also for more moderate voices some of Israel's policies appear to be fairly fascist, for example Israel occasionally operates political assassination squads like 2010 in Dubai. Some of these critiques are unfortunately incapable of distinguishing between governments and ethnic groups, hence the antisemitism. That being said, right-wing antisemitism is certainly stronger overall. It's basically a mindless continuation of failed and obviously senseless Nazi ideology.
The far right and the far left are indeed very similar to the extent that some prominent figureheads like Horst Mahler happily changed their affiliations over time. Totalitarians and other anti-humanists tend to have fairly unrealistic and inconsistent belief systems anyway.
That's debatable. An unified country or Ireland that is independent from England or Britain is a very new invention. Wales and Scotland (and even Cornwall) have more claim to having had a country first than Ireland. The first serious attempt to unify Ireland, somewhat ironically, was led by the same Norman invaders that had previously conquered England (which hadn't been a country for very long at that point either). Many of the early instances of country formation in Europe resulted from different smaller kingdoms being conquered by the same invaders.
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That's not antisemitism, that's anti-Zionism. You could claim, for example, that Israel should have been founded on a part of Germany. Ironically, this option was never on the table but would probably have worked out way better than the mess we have now. But then it was inconceivable, I suppose.
All this shows is that you (luckily) don't know any genuine "hitlerist" nazis. But there are plenty of them.
They are the ones who accuse Israel of taking Palestinian land [...]
Accuse? Just accuse??? Israel has a long history of stealing Palestinian land and abusing Palestinians in general. This goes far beyond unsupported accusations; these crimes are well recorded, widely condemned, and a shameful stain on the state of Israel. Calling this Antisemitism says more about the speaker than the accused.
[...] and don't want Israel to even exist.
Reality is far more nuanced than this propaganda association. This kind of linking is what makes the current Israeli government such a dreary bunch of whiners. Even the mildest critique on the behaviour of Israel is immediately labeled as antisemitism.
It's more useful to talk about "totalitarian" and less useful to talk about "left" and "right".
Basically, it doesn't go left right (those were just two sides of the house), but rather, "up" and "down" in terms of, what level of compassion.
Me, my family, my clan, my group, my empire/religion, my nation, my humanity, my planet.
The "circle of compassion" gradually extends further and further, especially in the methods advocated.
Too many religions act like empires, and are basically colonialist.
Humanism, proper, is around the "my humanity" level...
Meanwhile, a certain amount of "green" politics, ought to be around the "my planet" level but is sometimes more around the "my group" level, or even "my empire" level, especially in the way it advocates a reduction of humanistic freedom, preferring a more authoritarian system.
And as for extreme left and extreme right, the "extreme" they mean is in the, fascistic sort of, just want to fight and take down the system, sort of approach. It's "my clan" and warlordism, except that, modern society has no place for warlords, so they're left to just fight in the streets.
Anyway, something like that. How far does one's compassion extend... does it include all humanity?
And if it does, then that means the politics and views have to be very open to disagreement and natural chaos.
Whereas if one's compassion only extends to one's own religion, then the politics can be more authoritarian and conformist, making everyone act and think the same.
It gets quite tricky. Someone on the "left" may claim to be concerned for "all humanity" yet refer to their own nation's average person as a "contemptible" -- so they are not really including all humanity, just certain parts. It is something one Muslim academic referred to as "reverse colonialism". It's that sort of confusion, "compassion for all the world (except the jobless in USA)" which unfortunately led to Trump winning.
Funny, after the holocaust there were no jews in germany. Somehow there are still millions of palestinians. That's a very ineffective genocide you accuse Israelis off.
Also, regarding the "killed more than the nazis" part, for this to be true, Israel needs to kill 234.833659491 every day. Considering the facts we have no death camps, it is impossible to reach that daily number.
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Now don't take me wrong, I myself am quite left wing even by German standards, but actually yes, at least the German left still seriously dislikes the Jews and hides it under "Israel criticism". Even back in the day our very own (I admit, saying "our" would not be correct since they were West German and I am not) left wing domestic terrorist organisation RAF was trained by and worked with Palestinian terrorists. The best example for that collaboration would be the LH Flight 181 hijacking by the PFLP, who demanded that the West German governments releases several imprisoned RAF members. There are many more historical examples, which is kind of strange because many prominent left wing personalities have been Jewish.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Facebook is just providing a category to advertisers here. It doesn't mean at all they will allow hate speech to appear in ads. And if they do, this is another but completely unrelated matter.
TFA goes on and on about how they are outraged because they were able to submit an acceptable ad to be seen by unacceptable people. If it means that "jew haters" shouldn't be able to get ads, by all means, make me a Nazi.
Removing the category also prevent anti hate speech organizations from targeting the people they want to change. I suppose it also prevents advertisers from filtering out "jew haters". Typical bury-your-head-in-the-sand type PR move. Removing the category won't make the people go away.
And if anything, it won't stop advertisers who target these people for bad reasons. They are probably already using correlations to avoid scrutiny. As members of hate groups, they already know all they subtle ways they use to recognize each others.
If you look at the ad-buying screenshot, these categories are under "Education - Field of Study" which leads me to believe these are anthropologists as opposed to hate group members.
Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.
That was in the time of Nazism. Now that the left is changing its cultural allegiance from Karl Marx to Muhammad ibn Wahhab, Rosa Luxemburg would no longer be welcome at her own barricades:
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the Jew will always tell you about his beating, but never why.
Regards to 1984, it's because the book is about Stalinism and the figure of hate is a cipher for Trotsky.
Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing. Or the current crop of anti-semites who are also decidedly right wing (Sorry, but nowhere has HAMAS said they want justice and social harmony for Palestinians, their main goal is simply the destruction of Israel, same with Iran as theocracy centralises power, not distributes wealth. Both Iran and Palestine have capitalist systems firmly in place as the place was a centre of trade for millennia before the US even existed).
Dont confuse people being anti-Jewish with being anti-Bankers. They're quite happy to accept white bankers.
Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.
It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).
It helps if you read Nineteen Eighty-Four before commenting on it. The society in 1984 (for brevity's sake) still used money (although there were shortages of almost everything). The idea behind IngSoc is that it was neither English, nor Socialist. Pretty sure George Orwell used those exact words in the novel 1984. You see 1984 was a diatribe against Nazi Facism, it centred on the theme of an institutionalised class structure (inner party members -> outer party members -> Proles) with each cast receiving fewer rights than the one above it, institutionalised surveillance and government control as well extreme nationalism and the perpetual war that comes along with it. The use of the Jewish name Goldstein, was just to link it to Nazism and their Antisemitism and the fact that National Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism as we define it.
Orwell left thinly veiled cues of the society he was ripping off in names, for example in Animal Farm, his diatribe against Stalinist Communism he used Trotsky pigs as the farm animal's leaders in reference to Leon Trotsky who was an early Communist party member under Lenin and who Stalin had killed when he took power after Lenins death.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Perhaps the Germans don't like Jews because the Jews have taken over their country (again - they last did it in the early 1900s) and are flooding their (the Germans') country with millions of non-whites?
Why should any white person want to be FORCED to live in a multi-racial country, where white people are going to become a MINORITY within ten or twenty years? I thought being a 'minority' was an awful thing to suffer, so why are you suggesting that white people, and ONLY white people, should want any non-white immigration whatsoever?
Which, to me, makes this even more confusing. Anti-capitalist AND anti-socialist...so people are claiming that Jews are against capitalism AND socialism? I grok that it is two different groups claiming this...which, to me, just means using Jews as a scapegoat. Both can't be true, it's one or the other.
In reality, it's really tribalism. Jews are one of the oldest surviving "tribes" that still hold a cohesive connection with their ancient past. The Talmudic customs and rituals extend further back than most people can really comprehend; past Babylon, probably into Sumerian time periods. In modern humans, tribalism (IMHO) is linked deeply with "the fear of others), which itself is a remnant of the VERY ancient past with there were multiple human species roaming the earth.
Actually, no, they didn't. Not even according to their own origin fable. Even if you want to go back to literally biblical times, it was not their country, they took it from someone with force (sorry, "the lord" did to give it to them. Odd that an omnipotent being required humans to do his dirty work, though).
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Perhaps you are an idiot.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
It's interesting how quickly some Jews here in America forget their more recent pasts, on the receiving end of similar abuses in Europe and elsewhere. The state of Israel is harsh towards the Palestinians
It's interesting that you don't see the second half of the first sentence as a reason against the second.
Germans didn't hate Jews, some Germans did.
Jews don't mistreat Palestinians, some Israelis do.
Just as I'll happily condemn Nazi behaviour towards Jews, I'll happily condemn Israeli behaviour towards Palestinians.
As Bestweasel highlights, that's not anti-semitism.
Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.
Quite the level of bullshit there. On the left it's called BDS, and is the veneer of leftist antisemitism wrapped up in a palatable package. A single trip to a university like the University of Toronto is enough to show just how much of a lie that statement is. Not only do they embrace it, they encourage and bring out bigotry that's akin out of 1939. You can even see it within political parties in the EU. There isn't a subtle shift if "israeli to jewish" it's right there that BDS is to go after the jews.
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Because World Daily News is such an upstanding, non-biased site! It's never been shown to be one of the original alt-right propagators, nor has it ever been called out for being a antigovernment extremist group. WDN has never been sued for purposely twisting the truth or mis-quoting anyone. They most certainly did NOT promote birthism of Obama, or peddle other conspiracy theories.
You might as well just quote the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for reasons to be antisemitic!
Indeed, there wasn't some employee at Facebook that said "hey, let's put these strings into our advertising system! We'll make great $$$!". It's there rudimentary "AI" system that is pulling in information from various places that determined this. It is more of a reflection of society and blame should not be laid out on Facebook. This really is a "shoot the messenger" scenario. As soon as Facebook realized what was happening, they took steps to rectify it. Their "AI" isn't really intelligent, it's just pattern matching, so GIGO.
If BLM proponents have any brains left, the very LAST thing they want is the police to take a step back and drop their guns.
Because who will be left with guns? Well, those who own it illegally and NRA members.
And now let's ponder what history and recent events tell us how either of them views black people. I leave the answer to this to BLM proponents.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You appear to have extremist and delusional views.
The average "progressive" hates Jews more than the Daily Stormer.
Hyperbole, although I'll have to trust your interpretation of the Daily Stormer.
The vast majority of those "actions" never happened
Really? Your cherry picked list of actions that maybe didn't happen may even be accurate, but please, don't go pretending that Israel is some holier than thou actor here.
Israel shells Palestinian civilian territories, they repeatedly invade those territories, they do illegally occupy them (argue with international law all you fucking like, it's illegal occupation) and do commit crimes against the Palestinian people.
The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS. They are a terrorist organization that wants all Jews dead.
What the fuck are you on? You should stop and seek medical help, fast.
The Palestinians are people. They're born, they go to school, they grow up, they get bombed by Israel, they live their lives, they die.
Some of them decide that they'd rather risk dying sooner than live under oppression from Israel. If you want to class those few as terrorists then I'll understand, but the whole fucking population? No, that'd be exactly the same as blaming every Israeli citizen for the crimes against Palestine.
Talk to somebody over the age of 30.
I am over 30. I remember Yasser Arafat and didn't trust him for a moment. I remember Israel invading Lebanon leading to a war that caused thousands of civilian deaths. I remember the PLO being branded a terrorist organisation, yet recognised by the UN. Even if you discount the Sabra and Shatila massacre I've yet to see conflict between Israel and Palestine in which more Israeli civilians have died than Palestinian ones.
There are reasons that intelligent people don't take the mainstream media seriously and their ridiculous, totally fake reporting on Israel is one of the biggest.
Yet comically they still manage a more balanced and nuanced depiction of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts than you can.
Most of the hatred of Jews is actually based on their ethnicity and not their religion.
Yeah, I hate that. Makes it much much harder to mock their shitty superstitions.
Except face-to-face. I've yet to meet someone following the Jewish faith that doesn't respond to teasing and derision about their faith with good humour, and many of them don't need prompting. Makes them very easy to get on with.
Some versions of history propose that the Jews where not expelled by the Romans, but choose to leave.
I've seen the suggestion that facism is left-wing espoused a few times recently.
I find it kind of bewildering. Who really gives a shit whether it's left wing or right wing: it's a bad thing, and don't do it.
Doesn't really matter what you label yourself as politically, if you're advocating genocide then you're a cunt.
And the democratic people's republic of North Korea is a democracy run by the people. Fascism used the guise of socialism to entrench and expand its power all while moving farther and farther away from its principles. People were too uninformed, comfortable and stupid to do anything before it was too late. just like America is supposed to be capitalist and a democracy but it's moving toward fascism.
You think the ~100k Jews who have been living in Germany in peace for the past few decades are happy about nearly 2 million new Syrian neighbours who have sworn to wipe their race off the planet?
You're an idiot. German Jews are packing their bags to be ready to get out of town fast with all those Syrians around.
That is an interesting theory, considering that left-wing antisemitism predates the creation of the modern state of Israel by quite a few years. You might want to read Karl Marx's book "On The Jewish Question". The only claim I have seen making the case that Karl Marx was not an anti-Semite says that he was not saying that Jews were evil...just that self-identifying as Jewish was evil.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
The whole reason for the mass hysteria around anything "jew" and political correctness is to suppress anti-zionism. There are a lot of Jews who speak out against or do not ascribe to zionism and they too are suppressed in media and wherever else under the banner of being "antisemitism."
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
The only claim I have seen making the case that Karl Marx was not an anti-Semite says that he was not saying that Jews were evil...just that self-identifying as Jewish was evil.
Marx, of course, was himself Jewish. This would make him a self-hating Jew, which is quite a different stereotype than a anti-Semite.
You might want to read Karl Marx's book "On The Jewish Question".
And you might want to as well, since you're citing it without having read it.
What is a "proper leftist?"
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
If you believe this, then you really have a very shallow grasp of history. Persecuting Jews was a popular pastime in Europe for a long time before the Nazis came along. Read The Merchant of Venice sometime to get a feel for how Jews were perceived in Shakespeare's time. Even the term Pogrom predate the Nazis by a good 40-50 years. The two largest groups that have actively persecuted Jews are Catholics and Muslims. Nazis don't even beat Russians in terms of the number of people doing the persecuting or the number of Jews killed.
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But we did get some good songs out of it, like "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho".
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
In some respects - nationalism, militarism - they were decidedly right-wing. In others, particularly their economic policies, they were decidedly left-wing. They didn't call themselves the National *Socialist* party for nothing. Consider a few of the items in their 25-point policy platform:
All of these are solidly left-wing policies. The last, in particular - abolishing any income from investments (as opposed to labour) - would only be held by the most extreme left-wing groups today.
One about to go on a helicopter ride.
Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.
The No True Scotsman defense of leftists I see. It's not the proper left, it's all the rest that are the problem.
And in other news, the American left (who are different from many left leaning ordinary people) are seemingly violently anti-Jew these days. Sheesh. They look more like national socialists daily. Thanks, I'll stick to my right wing town - at least all we're doing is clinging to our bibles and guns, and not out engaging in pogroms.
Yes, and in modern left wing America, the only G*d you can have is the State, so Jews are being targeted. Well, Christians have been targeted for quite some time, so that makes perfect sense.
Indeed. And you can argue that this is why Israel is getting as strong as it can - because they have NO friends. Oh, the USA finds them useful as a hotbed to develop and test military hardware, and for their scientific innovation - but the Israelis are realists and know that they have allies only as long as they are useful to them. As far as I can tell, the American left is getting more and more nihilistic, actually.
So, honest question: what does your independent research into Giovanni Gentile reveal? I'd really like to know. You didn't attack any substance, just a "kill the messenger" fallacy.
CNN is fake news but publishes many true articles every day. Due to the constant "you're a fascist!" accusations from the Left every day, baffled conservatives are doing research into what the hell fascism is in the first place, since they are constantly unjustly accused of being it. Turns out, it wasn't right-wing at all. Mussolini started his career penniless with nothing but a cheap medallion of Karl Marx in his pocket. The truth is starting to come out.
History of fascism
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments
Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
Yes they were (right wing), but no not by any means the largest antisemitic group in history.
That group would be Orthodox Christianity which has been stridently antisemitic since at least the late second century.
It seems the break-up between Judaism, the religion of every original follower of Jesus, and Christianity being a separate religion was a messy one with a lot of bad blood.The earliest account of Jesus' life is the Gospel of Mark, written decades after the fact, and records a negative memory of Jews as being the reason that the Romans crucified Jesus. Though not antisemitic per se (though difficult to credit as accurate) Christian writing get worse from there until by the late 3rd Century the non-canonical Acts of Pilate has the harsh Roman Prefect as a Christian saint, and the Jews are the enemies of God himself, having rejected their own Messiah and murdered him.
Antisemitism rested on an explicitly religious basis throughout Europe until modern times. Pogroms did not kill Jews because some of them were bankers, they were because "The Jews killed Jesus".
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It matters. People are doing research right now and what they're finding is astounding. We've been the victims of a 70 year old lie. I grew up thinking fascism was a right-wing ideology, but it turns out it was left-wing all along. No wonder the Left didn't want it on their side. It would pretty much permanently discredit anything they said, since what the fascists of the 1920s and 30s said sounds very much like what the Progressives of the 2010s say.
History of fascism.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Have gnu, will travel.
Try being pro Israel in leftist circles. The left tends not to support genocide.
The right tends to be the ones wanting to give Israel weapons and handjobs.
Forced displacement, murder and confiscation of property is forced consolidation, murder and confiscation of property.
Nazis by another name.
If you create content by a purely random process, or else get content through user input (which is like random, only malicious and sick), you must filter out the objectionable material that is guaranteed to be there! Remember Tay, Microsoft's Nazi Teen Chat Bot?.
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I'm sorry, you missed my point completely.
I don't give a fuck whether you label fascism left or right. Nobody lied to me, they ascribed it to some made up label they like to use to demonise people.
The political alignment of fascism on an arbitrary linear scale says fuck all about anybody else you align to that scale. It merely means that someone's put them on a line.
If someone espouses fascist ideals and tries to implement them, that's something you can challenge. Until then, they're not supporting fascism and you can draw all the fucking linear pictures you like but it wont make them a fascist.
> The difference is that the anti-Seimites on the right don't want Jews to exist at all. The ones on the left just don't want Jews to exist in Israel. That's quite a big difference!
When you consider recent history, that's on real difference at all. Muslims have half the planet they can feel comfortable in. The Jews can't really count on assimilating anywhere.
"Anti-Zionism" manifests as blatant anti-semitism. This is very true in Europe and is also true in the US.
Nazi Germany should be a big clue about that.
The right wing fringe is tiny and powerless. The liberal establishment is not.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Jews like to make trouble and revolt against their imperial overlords. This is in stark contrast to "Palestinians" and the Ottoman Empire. The whole reason the Jews spread to the wind is because the Romans finally got fed up. At that point, you probably didn't want to identify as a Jew. It probably even made sense for you to hate on them just to demonstrate how much of a non-Jew you were.
The Gospels pretty much evolve based on political realities in the Empire.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
WND is a known propaganda mill.
0/10 trolling there
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Palestinians are also Semites. Why are you trying to marginalize them and lie about their cultural background? Is it politically inconvenient for Israel to admit that both were promised separate lands, and Israel occupies much of Philistine, and all of Judea, in addition to Israel? Everybody involved are Semites. Anti-Semitism is a totally different problem that doesn't even share a border with the political and cultural issues plaguing the Holy Land.
OK, nobody is saying to trust the media without independently researching their claims. We all know to think critically. I challenge you to do your own independent research about Giovanni Gentile, where he came from intellectually, and what he thought. This article would be a good start.
Stories are better, books are better, and movies are better if they cocked you off your axis and you were completely disoriented and you'd really have to rethink everything. You're about to embark on an educational odyssey that's going to challenge you deeply and make you question everything you ever learned. Good luck! It's not as common as it should be that independent thinkers are really challenged and forced outside their comfort zone.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.
For what though, not being extreme enough?
The extreme left hates the Jews for reasons of Israel's Zionism, the taking of Muslim lands to create and expand a Jewish state, and of course... that a state would be "Jewish" in the first place. Really, left-wing opposition is more opposition to Israel than it is to "Jews" in general, though supporters of the state of Israel like the ADL find it convenient to conflate the two.
The extreme right hates the Jews for reasons of traditional racism, the theories of Jews controlling the money supply, Jews controlling politics, the old "stab in the back" Nazi theories, Nazism and racism in general, all that stuff we're familiar with.
Nazis were a splinter group of socialists bred from progressivism. Mussolini was a card-carrying Communist before he formed his Black Shirts.
My best evidence is a Goebbels quote from 1925: "Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."
But there is much, much more.
> Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.
The National Socialists were authoritarian more than anything. And there have been plenty of authoritarians of every political stripe. They both enacted socialist policies and backstabbed other socialist groups to get what they wanted. Trying to lump people you hate in with the Nazis is the oldest game on the internet.
The things that made Nazis uniquely terrible were the extermination campaign they waged in their death camps. So if you want to accuse someone of something, do it directly, rather than trying to smear people by association.
OK so a Jew is traveling and wants his search engine to find the nearest synagogue for services. Being able to find every synagogue within 30 miles in a search engine would be a huge aid to race haters. (I am aware that Jews are not a race.) But if you start eliminating information that could be very useful for innocent users you are making a huge mistake. Let the loonies rant and rave. Let them march about in their weird choice of costumes. it makes it so easy to follow them home and pay special attention to them later.
True, but Tsarist Russia and the bead-jigglers were at it for centuries. The Nazis barely had a decade.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
They called themselves that because it was trendy at the time. If they started today they'd be called "Paleo Artisanal Fixie Makerspace".
How many of them did they implement once they were elected?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Well fuck you for calling me a racist. Strange that I'm giving shit to people based on their actions and not their race, and you're treating that as a race based attack. Says a lot more about you than me.
As for the so called left, have you seen the torrent of anti-white hatred coming from them of late? Racist as fuck, since you ask.
No, I'm not known by the company I keep. As it happens, I don't keep company with actual Nazis either.
So how about you fucking evaluate things in the first place instead of name calling.
Not all people who hate Israelis are anti-Semites.
Not all people giving Israel shit for their treatment of Palestine hate Israel either. But this is the internet so I shouldn't expect intelligent evaluation of a complex situation from you.
Whether you murder a few people, a few dozen, a few hundred, a few thousand, or a few hundred thousand people, it's still murder.
When it comes to ethics, it's the quality of the act that matters, not the scale.
All of those were dropped from the Nazi platform in the mid '30s, before they came to power, when they started actively courting industrialists and the middle classes. The Nazis were founded as a nationalist party with just enough socialism to attract the working class away from communism (their expressed intention was to oppose communism). The completely abandoned any left-wing principles to achieve power.
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