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Equifax CEO Hired a Music Major as the Company's Chief Security Officer

Susan Mauldin, the person in charge of the Equifax's data security, has a bachelor's degree and a master of fine arts degree in music composition from the University of Georgia, according to her LinkedIn profile. Mauldin's LinkedIn profile lists no education related to technology or security. If that wasn't enough, news outlet MarketWatch reported on Friday that Susan Mauldin's LinkedIn page was made private and her last name was replaced with "M", in a move that appears to keep her education background secret.

Earlier this month Equifax, which is one of the three major consumer credit reporting agencies, said that hackers had gained access to company data that potentially compromised sensitive information for 143 million American consumers, including Social Security numbers and driver's license numbers. On Friday, the UK arm of the organisation said files containing information on "fewer than 400,000" UK consumers was accessed in the breach.

UPDATE (9/16/2017): CSO Susan Mauldin has abruptly 'retired' from Equifax.

430 comments

  1. Yes and no... by cdreimer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having a liberal arts degree doesn't disqualify you from working in IT. If you only have a liberal arts degree, no technical certifications and no previous IT experience for a high-level role as CSO, you must have really nice legs.

    1. Re:Yes and no... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer. But it is suspicious that all of her background is now hidden. It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

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    2. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most truest words spoken by you ever.

    3. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've worked with some brilliant software engineers and engineering managers at my current job, and here is a list of the non-IT degrees they have:
      B.S. in Political Science
      B.A. in Media Design
      B.A. in English

      These are guys that are designing and implementing financial software for a Fortune 500. Sometimes what your degree is in has the square root of jack shit to do with what you are currently doing, and how well you do it.

    4. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but what in her profile would suggest that she would be even remotely qualified to have an entry level IT position? she's barely qualified to to pour coffee.

      equifax fucked up. the pitchforks are totally justified.

    5. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not as nice as yours, creimy-weimy. With that football player physique and bicycle-hardened legs and ass, you've converted die-hard heterosexual men into the "lifestyle".

      (Plus you have bigger tits than most women.)

    6. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do an image search. Unless you're into mid-50's, chubby not bad looking, but not "hot" looking, she didn't get her job on her looks and it looks like she didn't get it on her qualifications either. She must suck really good....

    7. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      She was previously Senior Vice President and Chief Security Officer at First Data Corporation for four years

    8. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have spent two seconds researching your claim.

      https://i0.wp.com/www.hollywoodlanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/susan-mauldin-equifax-security.jpg

      She's a fat cow. She obviously knows VIPs, which is the actual, only way to becoming CSO.

    9. Re:Yes and no... by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless you are getting hired directly out of school for a tech job, whether or not you have a degree in tech means almost nothing. It's your experience that counts. If Mrs. Mauldin majored in music, graduated, found that was a dumb idea and worked her way up through the ranks over 20 years before landing the Chief Security role at Equifax, I have no problem with that.

      This woman may have to take the fall, but often, even senior security staff don't get to dictate everything you think they should. Cost considerations can override their wishes, inconvenience can override it. They can often set guidelines for IT staff that do not report to them and feel no obligation to do what they say.

      I wouldn't skewer this woman just yet.

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    10. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And the CEO of the last company I worked for before I took their early retirement package
      was a Medieval History major for her undergraduate degree, but thought she was the cat's
      meow when it came to managing high-tech companies. After totally screwing up Lucent,
      she went out west and proceeded to screw up aitch-pee. Then she wondered why she wasn't
      elected to the US Senate.

      Sorry, no thanks - I prefer someone with a *relevant* education...

    11. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the problem with Affirmative Action and Diversity hiring. You're affirming the suspicion that these people are not qualified by merit, and get jobs because of their sex or skin color.

      You can't even dispute it, because you don't actually know for sure, and it's not even unlikely.

    12. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a source that says this was a diversity hire and not just run-of-the-mill nepotism?

    13. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you can't even attempt to refute or test it then that either makes it an axiom or bull shit.

    14. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Next target hackers! We now know the former CSO wasn't the sharpest tool in the box. Rot is almost certainly there too.

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    15. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, this is one reason why affirmative action is so bad.

    16. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For those that aren't familiar with the credit card industry, that's some serious cred.

    17. Re:Yes and no... by Delta2.0 · · Score: 2

      Having a liberal arts degree doesn't disqualify you from working in IT. If you only have a liberal arts degree, no technical certifications and no previous IT experience for a high-level role as CSO, you must have really nice legs.

      Or, you know, she worked for 4 years as a Chief Security Officer for First Data Corporation just prior to this job and has a 15 year history in tech related industries, including HP. Perhaps you should read the article before spouting off sexist crap like that.

    18. Re: Yes and no... by dyeazel · · Score: 2

      It seems you think that "Affirmative Action and Diversity hiring" means that any minority or female that applies for a job will get the job, regardless of their qualifications. In reality, it's usually used to help minorities/females get an interview and may be used as a tie breaker amongst similarly qualified candidates.

      In this case, it is much more likely that if she's drastically under-qualified it was more of a political decision.

    19. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also funny that creimer had his old account "deleted".

      The original creimer account:
      https://slashdot.org/~__aaclcg...

      Not to be confused with the blanked account:
      http://slashdot.org/~creimer

      But now now, our strangely shaped friend has his http://slashdot.org/~cdreimer account. Good work with the trollin' guys.

    20. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      creimer pwned your sorry asses, now you can't let it go, sad

    21. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, are we *really* saying that a bunch of engineers can't implement proper security regimes without having a "security guy" signing their paychecks?

      Jesus fucking christ - if you can't change default passwords and implement basic security practices as a sysadmin/developer, you don't deserve employment as an engineer.

      What CSO is logging into systems and verifying their security, ANYWHERE?

      Security is important, but let's be honest - CSO is figurehead, and certainly needs to provide leadership and hold people accountable. The actual implementation work is done by engineers, and they fucked up big time, because this stuff is table stakes for anybody who does system administration.

    22. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it was 100% contacts she knew. My old employer hired this consultant and did everything he said. Unfortunately he knew very little about technology. He dabbled a little bit with RPG, but even for myself, who knew and still knows nothing about the language, I could tell he was a novice at best. He got into his spot purely by his connections.

    23. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they've have the work experience to back it up.

      SHE DOESNT.

    24. Re: Yes and no... by computational+super · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, that's some grade-A lack of reading comprehension you have going there. What OP said was that, if you have affirmative action hiring policies in place - hiring less qualified people to artificially inflate diversity on any metric - then EVERYBODY who fits that diversity metric carries the suspicion of being a "diversity" (i.e. otherwise unqualified) hire. Even if they actually weren't.

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    25. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound bitter sweet tits.

      We won't stop until every Creimer is eradicated from this website.

    26. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying her music major was in skin flute?

    27. Re:Yes and no... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I agree partly (I came out of Electrical Engineering), but it certainly helps if one's resume shows increasing experience in the field before you, say, become a C-level executive over that field in your company, yanno?

      It's doubly odd when one finds that her history on linkedin is now hidden/blocked, no?

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    28. Re: Yes and no... by wizkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends on the kind of work.

      Does she have a CISSP, or similar.
      How many years in security?

      Or maybe the experience is in the office back room, or CEO's office with the doors closed.

      Either way, with Insider Trading allegations, info coming out 4 or months out, bonehead releases and f**ked up websites, poor patching policies, etc. He's going to have to kiss a lot of politicians butts to get out of this one.

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    29. Re: Yes and no... by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Its the CSO's job to make sure the techs are doing thier job. To make sure that there are audits and systems in place to verify the job is getting done. If your company is big enough to have a CSO, that is what they are there to manage. A CSO who's employees are not doing there jobs, and the company suffers a breach of this magnitude, is a CSO who failed to do his or her job.

    30. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      btw, those are not liberal arts degrees, they are "technical" music degrees.

    31. Re:Yes and no... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      Agreed, but she'd damned well better have at least one email in her possession showing that she (or one of her subordinates) had previously tried to warn the company to update their version of Struts...

      (...and if she does, then the devs will be in the hot seat for ignoring that one.)

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    32. Re:Yes and no... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      If Mrs. Mauldin majored in music, graduated, found that was a dumb idea and worked her way up through the ranks over 20 years before landing the Chief Security role at Equifax, I have no problem with that.

      From her LinkedIn profile it appears she went from unemployed music student to Chief Security Officer in roughly ten years. Pretty impressive career.

    33. Re: Yes and no... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Either way, she's in real deep Treble right about now...

      (...I kid! I kid!)

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    34. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked with some brilliant software engineers and engineering managers at my current job, and here is a list of the non-IT degrees they have: B.S. in Political Science B.A. in Media Design B.A. in English

      These are guys that are designing and implementing financial software for a Fortune 500. Sometimes what your degree is in has the square root of jack shit to do with what you are currently doing, and how well you do it.

      It seems that the people you are talking about were hiring for writing/analysing/designing a software rather than coding. In other words, what your company (and clients) cared about is the result/interface of the software, and these people are qualified to deal with the job. However, wait until you have to dig into their codes (if they also code), you could be very surprised (in a bad way) because their background was not taught that way. I am sure some if not most of their codes were copy-and-paste style.

      Anyway, the point is, the job that this CSO was hired compared to her unknown background is very likely unmatched. There is not much (or nothing) of musical degree background that would help in security foundation, especially on the technical side. Thus, please do not compare apple with orange.

    35. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Mrs. Mauldin majored in music, graduated, found that was a dumb idea and worked her way up through the ranks over 20 years before landing the Chief Security role at Equifax, I have no problem with that.

      Apparently the folks at equifax are the ones who are having problems with what you say, perhaps you should take your argument there?

    36. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not yet, but the hiding of the profile info suggests that she was, in fact, a Diversity hire.

    37. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's some grade-A lack of reading comprehension you have going there. What OP said was that, if you have affirmative action hiring policies in place - hiring less qualified people to artificially inflate diversity on any metric - then EVERYBODY who fits that diversity metric carries the suspicion of being a "diversity" (i.e. otherwise unqualified) hire. Even if they actually weren't.

      Kind of how like white males are always under suspicion of having been hired for looking like the people at the top, even if they actually weren't.

      (After all, it's not like George W. Bush got into Yale by being so qualified...)

    38. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Devs don't patch live systems at a company that size. Devs shouldn't touch live systems at a company that size.

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    39. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer. But it is suspicious that all of her background is now hidden. It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      Nah waht's suspicious is that it's now hidden badly.

      If she was able to hide her education history from the prying eyes of the Internet that's be a practical demonstration of her relevant skills. Failing to do so, not as much.

    40. Re: Yes and no... by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      That was very clefer.

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    41. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a sad waste of time. Read a book, draw a picture, let whatever motivates you improve your life; don't worry so much about other people.

    42. Re: Yes and no... by computational+super · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, and yes, that does bother me and I wish people would stop making that assumption - but at the very least, there's no actual policy written down and adhered to that states that you must hire a certain percentage of white males. If you're assuming that any of the white males got hired for looking like the people at the top, that's all conjecture on your part (even if you're correct). Conversely, if there's an affirmative action policy in place, then by definition, at least some of the people who fit the criteria were hired under it, or the policy wouldn't be there.

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    43. Re:Yes and no... by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      She should be skewered for hiding her background, though. If her profile was incomplete, she could add her additional credentials. If she really was unqualified and got the job via dubious means she should just come out and say it. But to go into hiding after something like this, regardless of any other facts, her current behavior is worthy of a skewering.

    44. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      creimer made you his bitch, that's impressive

    45. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even list my degree in Japanese Studies.

    46. Re:Yes and no... by Holi · · Score: 1

      This.

      I have a degree in photography, it did not take long for me to realize I was not a professional photographer. And thus began my 20 years in IT.

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    47. Re:Yes and no... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      ...but they should at least show evidence of patching test/staging systems, no?

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    48. Re:Yes and no... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      Unless you are getting hired directly out of school for a tech job, whether or not you have a degree in tech means almost nothing. It's your experience that counts. If Mrs. Mauldin majored in music, graduated, found that was a dumb idea and worked her way up through the ranks over 20 years before landing the Chief Security role at Equifax, I have no problem with that.

      This... I, too, majored in music, but focused on audio engineering. I ended up building and maintaining radio stations, including repairing solid state and analog transmitters and rewiring audio consoles, building multi-site audio and data links, building automation computers and maintaining data networks, etc. In the course of doing that, I studied electrical engineering and programming, passed the FE, and eventually become a patent attorney specializing in communications and security.

      If she had no experience, that'd be one thing, but from her resume, it looks like she's spent at least 15 years in the industry.

    49. Re:Yes and no... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      The same is true for brain-surgery. Sure, there may be the one exceptional talent that can do it without a specific degree and years of training, but does that claim make sense? No, it does not.

      Down here in actual reality, you need that degree and that decade or two of on-topic training and experience to be any good in that role.

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    50. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My sister literally majored in music, and got a job in IT out of school.

      But this was no coincidence, however. She had IT experience on her resume from a job she held while in school.

      So yes, you can't judge based on college degree. You need to look at the whole resume. I did not get to see the CSO's whole resume. Valid IT background or not?

    51. Re:Yes and no... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, if you do not want the security person stand in your way, use somebody unqualified or very junior. They will not cause problems, because they will not dare to speak up. I have seen that principle in action several times. The IT security problems at those companies were impressive.

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    52. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The devs? No. That would be admins.

      At that size, there should be small team just testing patches then applying them.

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    53. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sexist pig creimer!

      I told you yesterday I was out of meds and you never phoned me back for the python click script for my pheromone revenue stream web site !

      Go to hell you bastard!

      Signed:
      The girl who will never go out with you again!

    54. Re:Yes and no... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      And very likely none of them will have what it takes to be a reasonable CISO. That job is a bit more difficult than just being able to write good software. I also doubt that "brilliant" qualifier very much. In a pool of massive underperformers, somebody somewhat average will look "brilliant". (And yes, I have reviewed software created by supposedly "brilliant" people that did not have an IT related degree. It was functional but not good at all beyond that. And yes, this was critical software in about the same size of company.)

      The real conclusion here is that _you_ do not have what it takes to recognize relevant skill.

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    55. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Yet, basic things weren't done on her watch. Keeping your servers patched is very basic, but it's the kind of corner a non-technically proficient manager, like her, will cut.

      Proof of the pudding and all. She's done and deserves to be unemployable.

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    56. Re: Yes and no... by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      That's the problem with Affirmative Action and Diversity hiring.

      These aren't supposed to involve hiring unqualified people. It means that you make an effort to ensure a good mix of qualified people.

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    57. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A goggle image search suggests that she was not hired for sex

    58. Re: Yes and no... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The CISSP is a joke. I did with 5 days of preparation in the first try and I could realistically have done it with far less. I have removed it since from my resume, because the things asked are just extremely shallow and worthless.

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    59. Re:Yes and no... by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Being politically adroit is an essential job skill for a high level executive. You wouldn't won't to work for an executive who has technical skills, but who doesn't know how to play politics. Your part of the organization would quickly become the guys with all the responsibilities and no say. Everything that's ever wrong would quickly become your fault and everything that's right would never be credited to you. You may think that "winning" should not be important to a productive environment, but you will stop thinking that way once you try losing.

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    60. Re: Yes and no... by computational+super · · Score: 1

      seasing on this (and idiots

      Ah, the irony...

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    61. Re:Yes and no... by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Agreed. They provide the applications that are put into an environment that the Operations teams manages. This is only after the application has gone through rigorous testing, many time through multiple test environment. Devs ONLY do unit test in a development environment. All other tests (Certification, Integration, Regression. We even added two more separate tests of Performance and Release) go through a different group of folks with environments setup for each. Each with specific set of tests in mind.

      There have been instances where a developer is present during deployment to the production environment, but that is the reason we added the two extra test (performance - load related and release - all applications present) environments to mitigate any issue. And yes, it was a VERY LARGE environment. Had release cycles of every two weeks for major changes, weekly for minor.

    62. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a high quality diversity hire pedigree. Let's face it, anybody forced to fill a position with an underqualified bimbo would have to consider her a top choice.

    63. Re:Yes and no... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. To be any good at IT security, you need 10-20 years of experience on top of a relevant degree (MA or PhD) that already included IT security. If you do not have that degree, you cannot, in a human lifetime, acquire enough experience to compensate for that. This stuff is hard.

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    64. Re:Yes and no... by superwiz · · Score: 2

      The best development manager I've ever seen had a philosophy degree and no formal technical training. He was a very talented programmer and the kind of manager who knew how to nurture people into life-long successful careers.

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    65. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The devs still have to write the patch. Stop being pedantic.

    66. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing says a plumber can't be good at flying an airplane, but would you want a plumber to be the pilot on your next flight?

    67. Re:Yes and no... by thomn8r · · Score: 4, Funny

      but thought she was the cat's meow when it came to managing high-tech companies

      To be fair, slaying 30,000 serfs is pretty much the same in the 2000's as it was in the 1400's

    68. Re:Yes and no... by computational+super · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are no doctors without medical degrees. There are no lawyers without law degrees. Yet somehow, tech seems to be the one place where a degree is considered near irrelevant (in fact, according to Slashdot, having a degree in computer science may very well disqualify you from professional programming). The reason most often suggested for this difference is that technology isn't as important as medicine or law. Yet this line of thinking has apparently led to the collapse of the US consumer credit system.

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    69. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with no software background writing financial software is exactly why we are in this situation today.

      This bullshit about "anyone can code" has to stop. Professions and professional degrees exist for a reason.

      You don't go to a surgeon who is really a gardener with some surgical experience he "picked up on the job".

      Same thing applies to software.

    70. Re: Yes and no... by jbengt · · Score: 1

      None of which has to do with qualifications.
      In this case, I would say the breaches and some of the practices in place being reported would indicate that seh was unqualified, regardless of how she got the job. (I'm going with knowing the right people, not being a diversity hire)

    71. Re:Yes and no... by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      Judging from her profile, she had 11 years working in IT positions starting at HP in 2002 and including two banks and a major credit card processing company.

      It is not inconceivable that a person with such a background would acquire the necessary skills on the job; back in 2002 there weren't many (if any) degree programs in IT security, and to be frank a CS degree doesn't really prepare you to do security work much better than a music degree. So would you rather hire a recent grad with the right degree for this position, or someone who'd been working in the field since before the degree was commonly offered?

      On the other hand, Equifax just had a major security screw-up and did not handle it very professionally. So while nothing in her background precludes her being qualified for the job, her actual job performance calls her competence into question.

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    72. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was some interview with her on Soundcloud (by a third party, not Equifax) and that got pulled somehow.

    73. Re: Yes and no... by rholtzjr · · Score: 4, Funny

      She fell sharply flat with her security approach. Anymore to keep it going?

    74. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys, guys! That's completely irrelevant! The only thing that matters now is,
      Was she paid as much as a man?

    75. Re: Yes and no... by xevioso · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. Her past could indicate that she'd worked or been at previous institutions in close proximity to other higher-ups at Equifax, and with the proper searching, someone might find out there was some sort of inappropriate relationship. In fact, that's much more likely than any sort of diversity hire.

    76. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take it to reddit where it belongs. At least there you just have to report his username as "hate speech" because you disagree with anything he says.

    77. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's in no small part because the industry was largely built by people who didn't have computer science degrees. Not to mention that everybody in the industry knows at least one non-comp-sci graduate developers who kicks everyones ass, and at one MIT Ph.D in comp sci who couldn't find their ass with both hands.

      Fun fact: In the 1960's, before there were comp sci degrees, IBM would hire people with music degrees as programmer trainees, music being structured like a programming language, having loops, conditional branches, unconditional branches, etc.

    78. Re: Yes and no... by xevioso · · Score: 1

      I was thinking this too...

    79. Re: Yes and no... by xevioso · · Score: 3, Funny

      bassed on what, exactly?

    80. Re:Yes and no... by xevioso · · Score: 1, Informative

      There's a number of reasons for this, but the main one is that in most cases, by the time you go through a certification process or get a degree, the technology you learned may very likely be out of date. In addition, the folks teaching would be the folks actually doing that job professionally if they could. Whereas, with doctors, those teaching are actually often practicing doctors, and laws and the skills needed to become a lawyer change slowly.

    81. Re:Yes and no... by think_nix · · Score: 1

      While your point is noted and hilarious. For a lot of us that have been around for quite a while , this is exactly what is destroying this industry. Remember when company leadership came from engineers and staff was required to know the material ?

    82. Re:Yes and no... by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Now that is funny. It is not just anyone that will give your company a $3 billion boost in market value just for being fired.

    83. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Devs somewhere wrote the patch. They didn't develop struts in house.

      Applying patches to critical live systems is more complicated than you seem to appreciate.

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    84. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All a degree does is teach you the basics, even with an engineering degree I still had to work under senior engineers for at least a year before I was considered to be competent enough to do anything unsupervised as there is a lot, lot more to the practice than just plugging numbers into equations that school doesn't even expose you to. The degree just proves that you could at least do the math have a certain understanding of the science behind the discipline, that's why a PE license requires at least 4 years of experience working under other licensed PEs before you can qualify yourself.

      And damn right you don't want unlicensed people building your bridges and buildings yet when it comes to critical security (and safety systems in the case of these "driverless" cars) somehow a license and proper degree are considered snobbery.

    85. Re: Yes and no... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      People with no software background writing financial software is exactly why we are in this situation today.

      I agree that those people have a lot to do with the problems in the IT industry today. Also, schools that don't teach computer science but "programming" and churn out as many code monkeys as possible with no real understanding of software engineering nor any truly technical understanding at all have just added oil to the fire.

      This bullshit about "anyone can code" has to stop. Professions and professional degrees exist for a reason.

      You don't go to a surgeon who is really a gardener with some surgical experience he "picked up on the job".

      Same thing applies to software.

      "Anyone" can code, like anyone can grab a scalpel and cut a wart. Some will know enough to numb, sanitize, and remove the in skin part. Similarly, only a few can design and architect a software system. The problem comes when a slightly better than the group average programmer is tasked with "leading" the project and building a system much like tasking the person that understands warts to perform bypass surgery.

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    86. Re:Yes and no... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Typically it has more to do with family and who you know. She probably just knows the CEO from the Jewish community center or one of her direct family members does.

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    87. Re:Yes and no... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      degree in computer science may very well disqualify you from professional programming

      Well if you have a degree in Comp Si you spent the last 3 years of your academic career not programming. So you are not going to be particularly qualified to do programming at that point, unless you have a lot of experience in open source of similar.

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    88. Re: Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm a bit dyslexic, so while I noticed it, I didn't jump on it the way you did. I will admit it's frequently a problem when getting things to compile, though. (And I've got to be careful to use names that are unique under common permutations.)

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    89. Re:Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but the degree is almost irrelevant. It's the experience that counts. Of course, you shouldn't be able to get the degree without some experience in the process...

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    90. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could explain a lot. Maybe creimer though I was his bitch too, the filthy sexist pig!

      The python click script that he wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddently stopped to work.

      What an incompetent fucker! He can't even write a python click script that keeps running!

      I tried to have him come to my place for the whole week but he never contacted me back. Talk about fixing broken users quickly the bastard.

      I hate him and I will find somebody that will write me a click script in a real robust language like java. Fuck that heartless cucksucker!

      I even told him I was of meds until Monday due to a miscalculation but he doesn't care. He only thinks about himself the narcissist piece of shit.

      Signed:
      The girl who made the mistake to believe in Christopher Dale Reimer.
         

    91. Re: Yes and no... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Nothing says a plumber can't be good at flying an airplane, but would you want a plumber to be the pilot on your next flight?

      Other than the fact that you have to be trained for years as a pilot before any major airline would hire you (civilian or military flight school). And there exists formal pilot training programs. But please show me the numerous "Chief Security Officer" programs that someone must pass before taking on the role.

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    92. Re:Yes and no... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Considering there's no "CSO" degree that you can get, I'd have to agree. At best you could get a cyber-security degree from a handful of colleges but that does not ensure the role of chief of security.

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    93. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything that was taught when I was a freshman was near obsolete by the time I graduated.

      A degree is not needed to sling code because you don't need to know how a computer works to write code anymore. Knowing how the computer works isn't a requirement to write business applications, which is what pays the bills.

    94. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or an easy cuntsnatch & inhibited gag reflex.
      "flexible" & "great oral skills" listed on her cv weren't aboot public speaking.

    95. Re: Yes and no... by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      You do know that diversity hiring doesn't mean we just hire anybody? The qualifications for the job don't just become "A woman" or "A person of color". That is not how it works in the real world, even if you for a second honestly naively believe that devoid of diversity hiring policies, employers hire the person with the best qualifications or most experience in the first place.

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    96. Re:Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sadly, "brilliant" is not necessarily and advantage when writing software. I've seen some C code written by definitely brilliant programmers that was totally unmaintainable by anyone else, and probably not by them, either. You need some common sense, also. (The guy I'm talking about LOVED C macros.) Reading it was worse than Forth. If I knew Perl, I'd probably say it was worse then Perl.

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    97. Re: Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It's not that simple. The people writing financial software should be BOTH programming experts AND financial experts. Either one is not sufficient. Note, however, that I didn't say top experts. A moderate level of expertise in both fields should suffice. Enough to know where the edge cases are and which corners should definitely NOT be cut.

      O, and you need an administratively separate Q/A department.

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    98. Re: Yes and no... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Mod up.

    99. Re: Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with the credit card industry, but a lot of people at the top firms seem to have really swallowed "a good manager can manage anything". So I don't find it convincing. Possibly she had someone really technically competent as her main subordinate there. Or perhaps I'm being too skeptical.

      Based on the third and fourth hand information that's passing in front of me (slashdot, etc.) I think she was a decent administrator and depended on subordinates for tech, and was unable to judge their level of competence.

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    100. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's a C-level exec, not a grunt.

    101. Re:Yes and no... by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Next target hackers! We now know the former CSO wasn't the sharpest tool in the box. Rot is almost certainly there too.

      Hackers don't need some additional notice or incentive to go after First Data. First Data is one of the biggest, tastiest and most potentially lucrative targets in the world. But you haven't heard that, because they do a very good job on security.

      I worked several security projects at First Data when I was doing security consulting, and I was consistently impressed with quality of their people, systems and processes. I was also a little appalled at how many eggs are in the First Data basket. They issue and manage a large majority of the credit and debit cards in the United States. You almost certainly have a card they issued in your wallet, and they also generate your statements, process your payments and potentially even operate your bank's web site.

      The largest project I worked for First Data was directly supervised by the NSA (in their role of protecting the nation's data infrastructure, not their role of spying on everyone -- two very different organizations within the NSA) because the security of First Data systems is essential to national security. They're that big and that important to the country's credit and banking infrastructure. More important than Equifax, I'd say.

      The fact that she was CSO for First Data changes my perception of the headline considerably. I can't see First Data hiring someone unqualified for a role like CSO. Security is way, way too important there, and they have a lot of people who know how to do security.

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    102. Re:Yes and no... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. I remember when SOME companies had leadership that came from the engineers. But it was always a stage process, where the engineers were replaced by the entrepreneurs who were replaced by the beancounters.

      If you want to say something killed the process, I'd say it was the marketing department injecting their folk in at the top. The beancounters killed technical companies, but it was a slow, relatively graceful, death. And often forked off viable descendant companies.

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    103. Re:Yes and no... by xiux · · Score: 1

      Yet this line of thinking has apparently led to the collapse of the US consumer credit system.

      Just as the 2008 recession could have been avoided if only people with a formal education in finance had been making the big decisions?

      Or could it be that companies don't care about risks with external costs?

      Seems most companies are not concerned with information security unless it directly impacts their bottom line. Therefore we need to make incidences such as this extremely painful, even to the point of criminal prosecution and corporate dissolution with assets seized, to push shareholders and board members to start demanding due care and not just paying lip service to compliance.

    104. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While a tech background would have been a minor key to succeeding, I am curious as to how her salary did scale.

    105. Re:Yes and no... by Thad+Boyd · · Score: 1

      How old is she? Degrees in medicine and law were pretty common 25 years ago. Computer science not so much.

    106. Re: Yes and no... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I don't like long-winded comments. I admire your breveity.

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    107. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There are no doctors without medical degrees. There are no lawyers without law degrees."

      Only because they walled that garden, a sort of trade union put in place by the letter of the law. When the licensing board requires a degree in order to even to begin to test competence, you get the system you outline. However, it's not necessarily a competent system, as there are clearly many bad doctors an lawyers out there (as there are plenty of people who have the knowledge to pass the licensing but not the degree to take them).

      There are plenty of non-doctors performing medical care at equal or better levels than medical doctors. There are plenty of non-lawyers with a better historical and legal grasp of concepts, esp with Constitutional law in the US,.who are not lawyers.

      "Yet this line of thinking has apparently led to the collapse of the US consumer credit system."

      Yeah, THAT led to the collapse of the system. Not that the system was itself to blame, the system had too few checks in general, no, it's that one music degree holder, let's ignore the long, long litany of abuses and flat out wrong information the system was already drecked with.

      You don't need a degree to realize their best practices sucked. A competent junior high student with an interest in computers have better best practices than what seems Equifax did.

      btw, how many deaths and hospitalizations and cost expenditures occur yearly from mistakes and infections acquired AT hospitals? Yeah. Those degrees really helped, don't they..

    108. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who aren't familiar with REAL computer security

      People from banks and law enforcement are usually really bad at stopping hackers and impressing shitty executives

    109. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Affirmative Action and Diversity Hiring are not the problem. What does looking and hiring qualified candidates of different sex or race or country have to do with this issue. She appears to be UNQUALIFIED for the position she held. That is the one area that is not covered by Diversely hiring practices.

    110. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no need to suppose she got job by sex; diversity quotas are more than enough.

    111. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There may not be a "CSO" degree as such, but there are (and have been for years) plenty of baccalaureate programs involving management information systems and other similar disciplines to prepare people for leadership roles in IT.

    112. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that's exactly how it works: you need to show some diversity people on some positions, to fill in quotas, and Security is the safe position to do nothing most of the time so qualifications do not matter. Plain obvious to anyone who ever sat on any hiring committee.

    113. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, "brilliant" is not necessarily and advantage when writing software.

      It's OK. you've got nothing to worry about.

    114. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the plumber is not a cis white male , sure why not we need more plumber pilots role models.

    115. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your bass are belong to us!

    116. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you cite two jobs that require a degree and assume that means that it should be a pattern for all jobs. The reason why no degree is required is because even though nobody is willing to admit it, a degree in CS/IT doesn't mean you know jack-shit about anything.

    117. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is not either-or. You can have some nepotism and it is nice if it helps with your diversity quotas.

    118. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on it's obvious to anyone that she clung to compliance and management positions and then sidestepped her way into managing security as a result.
      Music majors don't belong in infosec unless they have a mohawk and gauged ears.

      Maybe you're another faker-pretender and don't know it.

    119. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .....you must have really nice legs.
      yes, and know how to spread them.
      The people that hired her must be really fucked up. Equifax deserves oblivion. Now.

    120. Re:Yes and no... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Yet, basic things weren't done on her watch. Keeping your servers patched is very basic, but it's the kind of corner a non-technically proficient manager, like her, will cut.

      Proof of the pudding and all. She's done and deserves to be unemployable.

      Well, yes, certainly. None of this says that she's a good engineer or manager. Just that having a music degree rather than a CS or MIS degree doesn't automatically make her a bad engineer or manager.

      Also, bear in mind, for the scale of issues that Equifax has, there's apparently incompetency from the top to the bottom. We're not hearing that she's got a crack team of programmers who were trying to solve all of these problems for years but were overruled - apparently, everyone who touched this was terrible.

    121. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked with the above "software engineers" at a Fortune 500 company, and watched them produce countless pages of steaming shit. Their goal was to slap it together until it barely works and hopefully shove it to someone else to maintain. One of them (BA in history major) graduated to senior management. I rewrote one of his programs that worked over 14 hours every night and was barely in time before the next day market open. New execution time was 2 minutes.

    122. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It definitely wasn't her legs. Picture here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-15/another-equifax-coverup-did-company-scrub-its-chief-security-officer-was-music-major

    123. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Computer Science degree.

      Are you really this fucking stupid? Is anyone?

    124. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with Affirmative Action and Diversity hiring.

      These aren't supposed to involve hiring unqualified people. It means that you make an effort to ensure a good mix of qualified people.

      That isn't a good way to meet a quota, though. What if not enough qualified people apply, or if qualified diversity individuals are in high demand? Then you have to substitute "other" diversity candidates to meet a quota, right?

      Or are there an unlimited number of qualified diversity candidates available on your world?

      So are we still insisting on judging diversity hiring based on resulting distribution? Just want to make sure I'm on message here...

    125. Re:Yes and no... by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      And now we get "modern" C++ developers replacing messes like that with a ludicrous number of levels of abstraction with template arguments, conditional template code paths, variadic templates, etc. Although I suppose when something goes wrong with one of those you can step through it with a debugger. That's much more of a hassle with C macros.

      Anyway, every time you give programmers a shiny new hammer, a certain percentage of them will always think it's the shiniest and best hammer ever, and therefore should be used for everything. Need to fix a leaky faucet? Hammer time! It doesn't matter that a hammer is the worst possible tool for the job, we can just tear the whole thing down and replace it with something that needs to be built with the shiny new hammer!

      I wonder if the guy you're talking about used to work with a much older language (or perhaps assembler). He was probably ecstatic when he moved up to C, and thrilled that it had a rich macro environment. ;-)

    126. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We switched to Agile. Devs unit test, certification, integration, and regression test. Devs deploy to Productions themselves.

    127. Re:Yes and no... by slew · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer. But it is suspicious that all of her background is now hidden. It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      Well, as it turns out, her "resume" prior to Equifax lists

      * Senior Director of Information Security, Audit and Compliance at HP
      * Senior Vice President and Chief Security Officer and First Data Corporation
      * Group Vice President Sun Trust Bank

      Sounds to me that she worked up the "vice-president" track (easy to do in a bank as everyone is a VP) and stumbled on to security from the audit/compliance side of the house. This is like a VP of engineering coming up from the marketing/product specification side of the house. All most of these folks know how to do is check the boxes... They might have learned some buzzwords along the way, but you would never trust them to actually *do* anything...

    128. Re:Yes and no... by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      When industry cries that schools teach an out of date skillset it's like complaining that you can't find good lawyers for cold calling potential mesothelioma patents for your class action lawsuit cause they wasted years studying philosophy and rhetoric. Maybe you don't need a lawyer and maybe if you get a lawyer you're going to have to train them on the details of whatever your scam is because that's not what they teach in law school.

    129. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well for starters, teaching yourself surgery at home is generally frowned upon.

    130. Re: Yes and no... by Koby77 · · Score: 1

      I don't want to play second fiddle to this conversation.

    131. Re:Yes and no... by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      More reason for her to have a computer science or related degree.

      She doesn't need the "up to date" skills that industry complains universities don't deliver. She needs solid enough fundamentals that she can effectively communicate with engineers and not get wild ideas up her ass that seem stupid to everyone except her.

    132. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if we disregard multiple years of college education as bullshit, why would a person who understands engineering and technology get an education in music? At least math and physics degrees are somewhat relevant, but music, history and fine arts?

    133. Re:Yes and no... by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Give me a better way to vet a candidate's competency
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    134. Re:Yes and no... by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Well if you have a degree in Comp Si you spent the last 3 years of your academic career not programming.

      What in the hell kind of university/college offers a comp sci degree where that is even remotely true?

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    135. Re: Yes and no... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      You sound like my wife

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    136. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey come on, at least they're filling the balance books.

    137. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jewish nepotism is very common in the financial services industry.

    138. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are Lawyers WITHOUT law degrees. You are required to pass a state bar to practice law. There are people that pass state bars without graduating from a law school.

    139. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software is easy. It's not real engineering.

    140. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the CSO's job to make sure the techs are doing thier job.

      No, it's the CSO's job to set strategy for all aspects of security - physical and digital - for the entire company. The job of "making sure the techs are doing their jobs" falls to the line managers who the techs report to.

      Now, certainly, the CSO could have pushed harder and dug deeper to ensure that the audits and remediation functions were staffed with qualified people, and that there was thorough and accurate auditing, but this is FAR more than a simple failure at the CSO level. "The buck stops here," "single throat to choke," and all that bullshit sounds very noble, but at the end of the day, if you have a shitload of incompetent engineers, it doesn't matter how good your CSO is, you're going to have shitty security. This was a failure of the *entire* technology division within Equifax. If you're an engineer, and your production deployment plan doesn't include "change the fucking default passwords up and down the stack," you are not a competent engineer, and no amount of miracles from your CSO will make you competent.

      If you're a line manager, and your engineers' production deployment plan doesn't include basic security hygiene like this, then you are not a competent manager, and no amount of miracles from your CSO will make you competent.

      To be sure, she has to own some of the responsibility for the hack - if for no other reason, for failing to realize that someone in her organization was either grossly incompetent, or lying through their teeth about the security posture of the organization. But attempting to pin this fully on "the suits" while glossing over the very real fact that the ENGINEERS are the ones who deployed this system and failed to make very basic changes to ensure basic security when they should have known better is nothing more than intellectual masturbation by a bunch of engineers who just love to hate on the suits.

      If you're a professional engineer and you deploy a system to production in the state the Equifax applications were in, you are an incompetent boob and deserve to be fired, regardless of how good your CSO is. If you require a C-level executive to wipe your nose every time you sneeze, you're not fit to be a doctor, either.

    141. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me when she came in we where already doing what we needed to. Nothing she said would change any of that and she said some pretty dumb shit. We where glad to see her leave.

    142. Re:Yes and no... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      There are no doctors without medical degrees. There are no lawyers without law degrees. Yet somehow, tech seems to be the one place where a degree is considered near irrelevant (in fact, according to Slashdot, having a degree in computer science may very well disqualify you from professional programming). The reason most often suggested for this difference is that technology isn't as important as medicine or law.

      Or, it could simply be that programming is a new field. Three hundred years ago, there were plenty of doctors without medical degrees - the first one being given in only 1703. Law is an older established field then medicine (at least from a professional perspective - there were plenty of shaman and the like before professional physicians), but the first JD program wasn't until the late 1300s.

      The first "lawyers" were really persuasive scholars. The first "doctors" were naturalists who were really interested in dissection. Many of the first programmers were hackers and tinkerers. There will likely eventually be professional degrees and licensure, but the fact that there aren't currently is more a sign that it's a new field, than that it's "not as important".

      For a closer parallel in professional engineering, the first people messing around with steam engines and the like were scholars. Professional licensure didn't come till much later.

    143. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my current job there are cs/engineering grads aplenty and most of them would consider writing financial software to be a menial task. Most of them are more interested in researching or breaking code than in writing it. It's a completely different mindset. There are next to no competent computer security folks at Fortune 500 companies (other than a few, like what you see at Google Project Zero) because they're all either working at a security consulting firm, the government, or freelancing.
      So what they are saying is probably true, but not for the reasons they'd expect.

    144. Re:Yes and no... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer. But it is suspicious that all of her background is now hidden. It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      And the extra really super suspicious thing is that she oversaw the biggest data breach we know of.

      If you are going to be a CSO, you really need to be a little paranoid, and you need to run a hellava lot of penetration testing, install some honeypots, and know some stuff. I'd wager that most music majors will not have the mental outlook to do that.

      But Equifax promises that their next CSO will be a Women's study major, which should fix everything

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    145. Re: Yes and no... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      You do know that diversity hiring doesn't mean we just hire anybody? The qualifications for the job don't just become "A woman" or "A person of color". That is not how it works in the real world, even if you for a second honestly naively believe that devoid of diversity hiring policies, employers hire the person with the best qualifications or most experience in the first place.

      Actually, there is a whole real world that does not conform to yours. We went far out of our way to hire women who were qualified, but not remotely the best candidates for the job. Entry level qualifications were beatng out 15 year veterans. I lost out on several promotions because we had to promote the women as fast as possible, including one promotion where the woman did not meet the minimum qualifications of time in grade.

      Sorry, but in academia at least, men are being marginalized in favor of women. But don't worry, it will work out just fine.

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    146. Re: Yes and no... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm a bit dyslexic, so while I noticed it, I didn't jump on it the way you did.

      This is Slashdot, and a misplaced comma will somehow render your point null and void. Or not. If the only criticism a person can whine about is spelling or punctuation, you either have a good argument or they have none.

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    147. Re:Yes and no... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      There are no doctors without medical degrees. There are no lawyers without law degrees.

      At their core, law and medicine are regurgitation professions. You learn a bunch of facts (a helluva lot of facts), so you can sift through them in your mind, find the ones most relevant to a specific case or patient, and regurgitate them. The licenses needed to practice in those professions are certifications that you've learned enough of those facts to professionally advise people.

      While all professions require some degree of regurgitation, they differ in how important it is. At the opposite end of the spectrum are creative professions, which are almost entirely based on skill and talent. It's impossible to certify these professions because often times the talent is in the eye of the beholder (most slashdotters consider most TV programming to be banal, yet it's still incredibly successful).

      Working with computers falls somewhere in the middle. Programming falls more towards the creative end, IT more towards the regurgitation end (which is why there are a lot of certifications for IT). But there's a significant amount of crossover (programmers still need to learn algorithms, IT still needs to come up with creative systems or configurations of equipment).

      Yet somehow, tech seems to be the one place where a degree is considered near irrelevant

      Back during the tech bubble, when programmers with CS degrees were very hard to come by, I was talking with the CEO of a financial analysis company while we walked our dogs in the park. He hired CS grads when he could. His second choice was other STEM graduates (his company made financial simulations, which were very similar to the physical simulations physics majors and engineers were experienced with).

      His third choice was a bit surprising - music majors. Music is fundamentally based on mathematical patterns, which apparently makes music majors on average better than the general population at programming and coming up with simulations which try to detect subtle mathematical patterns in finance.

      Yet this line of thinking has apparently led to the collapse of the US consumer credit system.

      Let's not jump to conclusions. It's still unclear whether or not Mauldin had anything to do with the company being hacked, or even if she wasn't qualified (people are assuming she isn't because of her major). My bet is still on management deciding that money to hire competent IT security professionals was a waste because they'd never suffered a major hack. Some of the other things Equifax did that have come to light (using a timestamp as a PIN, storing passwords as plaintext instead of as hashes, and crucially - not patching their Apache servers immediately after the explain became public and then was fixed) point to the same flawed management decisions when it came to hiring programmers and admins.

    148. Re:Yes and no... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Being politically adroit is an essential job skill for a high level executive.

      It does not negate the fact that you should have some technical skills. A politically adroit person who knows nothing about the executive position can probably gut their area, eliminate all but a small group of employees, and look like a genius for a while, running their organization like a real boss, with miraculous low payroll.

      But they can shmooze and make small chat at the parties and network with the best of them at the company retreat and team building, and make certain to contribute to the CEO's favorite charity - and make certain he or she knows. And as I learned a long time ago, if there is something I don't know about, I find someone I can trust to tell me what I need to know while I learn. The politics is playground easy to learn.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    149. Re:Yes and no... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      All most of these folks know how to do is check the boxes... They might have learned some buzzwords along the way, but you would never trust them to actually *do* anything...

      We just say those people are studying to be astronauts because all they do is take up space.

    150. Re:Yes and no... by tsstahl · · Score: 1

      There are no lawyers without law degrees.

      Not to deflect your point in any way, but had to correct a bit of misinformation.

      You can pass the patent bar and practice patent law in front of the USPTO without a JD
      http://www.sciencemag.org/care...

      Carry on.

    151. Re:Yes and no... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think that to some degree its because software is so pervasive and is touching all kinds of different fields. If you're a doctor, the human body doesn't change a lot and even some of the rare edge cases and diseases are well understood these days. The same goes for lawyers where the law is slow to change and understanding existing legal precedent and relevant case law is highly important in the field. No one is going to ask a medical doctor to work on a vaccine for their car, but someone might ask a programmer to develop software for a domain where no software currently exists.

      Technology is at least as important as either of those other fields, but there are so many niches within it and a lot of crossover with other disciplines. If you have a degree in music and a good understanding of music and the ability the write code, you can probably be far more effective as a programmer if you're working on an application that requires a deeper understanding of music than someone who's naturally a better coder. Just because you can write code doesn't mean you know what code to write. People who are working on natural language processing need to understand languages and most CS degrees aren't going to cover that topic at more than a surface level and a lot of the students will be crap it it anyways. Compare that to someone who has spent the same amount of time studying problems in that particular domain who just happens to be able to code and I can tell you which I'd rather hire for a project in that area.

      Once you get beyond the code monkey stuff, you need to have good problem solving skills and the ability to develop algorithms for new and novel problems. There are a lot of really intelligent people out there that have spent a lot of time specializing in various domains that gives them a better understanding of those problems and perhaps some ideas about how to go about tackling them. I don't think it's any surprise that a lot of people who are successful in the technology field don't have strict backgrounds in it, because the problems the field is trying to solve don't have a lot to do with how computers operate or are strictly limited to just that domain.

    152. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which brings us back to... what sorts of company policies could allow such an unqualified person to get hired?

    153. Re:Yes and no... by antdude · · Score: 1

      And some workers don't even have degrees like Bill Gates who dropped out of school!

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    154. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked with some brilliant software engineers and engineering managers at my current job, and here is a list of the non-IT degrees they have:
      B.S. in Political Science
      B.A. in Media Design
      B.A. in English

      These are guys that are designing and implementing financial software for a Fortune 500. Sometimes what your degree is in has the square root of jack shit to do with what you are currently doing, and how well you do it.

      I can second that I have no degree but I consider myself a decent programmer or even maybe "proficient". When talking about security I wouldn't trust my self. There are so many attack vectors you have to worry about but what really makes it a hassle is people

      . Everyone thinks that security failed when in fact it was people who have failed. A good mentor of mine told me that the easiest way to gain system access is by whaling. If you manage to hit a vice president you gain some significant administrative rights or even greater phishing vectors. Imagine getting a list of people to phishing from a trusted email account. Some people bind emails to ips but now you have direct access. You query your outlook for anyone with executive plus level. Slowly you have control over a huge portion the companies network. You have a playground and time to gain system access. The cherry on top is you have basically unlimited time because most users haven't even realized they are infected and have left it unreported. Make all computers ddsos each so logs are full while you slowly start trying crazy attacks. By the time you figure out what's going on you are on the news lol.

      Angry Programmer
      "One who sees security gone wrong on a daily basis."

    155. Re:Yes and no... by xvan · · Score: 1

      But if she can guarantee that all the boxes are checked, the company shouldn't be liable for any fuck ups. Even if your security is a clusterfuck as long as it complies the needed requirements and certifications there shouldn't be a problem.

    156. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be a good developer you need to be able to learn, think logically and have good problem solving skills. The difference with medicine and law is a lot like driving a car. You can't drive a car without a license. You could be the best driver on the planet, but you can't drive legally with out license. Same is true for medicine and law. There is no license needed to write code or be a security officer.

    157. Re:Yes and no... by wonkavader · · Score: 2

      Agreed. A music major could be a great security officer. She clearly wasn't. They're trying to hide it.

      The conclusion here should not be you need a technical degree to fill a technical role. It should either be
      1. that the idiots at Equifax are also sleezebags.
      Or 2. that the sleezebags at Equifax are also idiots.

      Clearly both are logically true, but which states the case with the proper emphasis?

    158. Re:Yes and no... by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      There's that keyword "compliance". That specifically means box ticking.

      Security with compliance in mind often means "are the passwords 8 chars with letters, numbers, specials, and case mixing? YES. Ergo 'P@ssw0rd' works fine."

      Or in this case "Did the application conform to security standards? NO. Did you fill out a form for an exemption? YES. Then you're fine."

       

    159. Re: Yes and no... by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't want to string anyone along here, but let's not harp on her minor credentials. While they struck a chord in some people, joining the chorus of citizens at fever pitch won't fix Equifax's systems that are baroque and in need of fiddling on a scale we haven't seen B4. It's important to note that the movement of filing key lawsuits will work in unison and reach a crescendo at some point. The drum beat of progress will necessitate major reforms that will even the score and serve as the prelude for improved security. The measure of any company in a situation like this is whether they change their tune and raise the bar, or have their finale.

    160. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you r qualifications fo r this judgement "I've worked with some brilliant software engineers and engineering managers"not being totalshit?

    161. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems a little harsh, doesn't it?

    162. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "seasing "

      ...what??

    163. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah well with me it is the other way around. I used to be in tech, now I'm a bogus psychiatrist. It's not that hard, doesnt take a hell of a lot of effort, and I get samples all the time.

    164. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair enough, and yes, that does bother me and I wish people would stop making that assumption - but at the very least, there's no actual policy written down and adhered to that states that you must hire a certain percentage of white males. If you're assuming that any of the white males got hired for looking like the people at the top, that's all conjecture on your part (even if you're correct). Conversely, if there's an affirmative action policy in place, then by definition, at least some of the people who fit the criteria were hired under it, or the policy wouldn't be there.

      Sure, AA is a formal policy, and white people getting hired just-because is organic. But when something like 90+% of people at the top of organizations are white males---and this was even worse when AA was first conceived---it's not exactly fair to attribute unqualified hires to the AA side of the equation.

      Racial/sex discrimination tilts the scales in favor of white males; AA is a controlled manner of correcting for that. The fatal flaw of most critiques of AA is that they don't recognize the existing imbalance, or how bad it is---because it's normalized. AA gets a lot of flak, but the same folks say nothing about legacy admissions in higher ed.

    165. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which brings us back to... what sorts of company policies could allow such an unqualified person to get hired?

      Probably a lack of policies that actually require a hire to be objectively qualified in the first place. It's usually up to the discretion of whoever's doing the hiring.

    166. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the hulabaloo is currently at fortissimo

    167. Re: Yes and no... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      IT is what used to be called 'computer operator.' It is totally different from computer science, which is more of an engineering than an operations discipline. People who do actual design and engineering bristle when some HR drone treats them like they are IT.

    168. Re: Yes and no... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Knuth volumes 1-3 are decades old and not obsolete. What kind of fads were they teaching you?

    169. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't see First Data hiring someone unqualified for a role like CSO. Security is way, way too important there, and they have a lot of people who know how to do security.

      I've worked in a number of companies where the incompentency of upper management is obfuscated by the staff who actually do the work. C-level management makes stupid policies, while the people implementing these (or cleaning up) spend very long days making sure things don't entirely turn to custard.

    170. Re: Yes and no... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates coded the Word Processor application in the TRS-80 Model 100 in 8085 Assembly Language. It is purportedly his last major coding project at Microsoft. He is on record as liking Visual Basic.

    171. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hahaha - there's a major banking software vendor in Europe that I worked for, and they often released untested patches to their live clients. One incident almost destroyed a major UK bank, because when a bank's software goes down for more than 24 hours, they can't calculate their positions and they go bankrupt - THE END. They escaped disaster by contacting a COMPETITOR bank with the same software who had discovered the bug by themselves, and a solution. The vendor was oblivious until after the repair. Not saying who, but your faith in the dev/test/release process in misplaced. The CXOs want that update NOW, don't want to wait or pay for rigorous testing, so the dev does his thing and it gets shipped. Customer live testing, just like Microsoft.
      Why are you surprised?
      Many of the devs at the company were constantly surprised that they hadn't YET managed to destroy a company or an economy by mistake - the management don't give a fuck, cause if it does ever go turtle, they just fire some scapegoated peon.

    172. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but that's silly in this instance.

      It's nothing to do with importance, it's more to do with experience.

      There may be degrees in IT Management now, even in IT Security Management. But this sure as heck wouldn't have been true ten or fifteen years ago, which is when people with enough experience for the role at Equifax would have been getting educated.

      And even to the extent that there were relevant learning opportunities back then, ten years experience in the field, leading up to the modern day, would have eclipsed them.

      I'm not saying Susan Mauldin should have been the post holder. I have no clue, because I don't know her employment history. But what I do firmly believe is that her degree major is pretty much irrelevant to this.

    173. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My comment was toward the deleted comment. Not the one below. Maybe it was gone before you could read mine.

    174. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is simply false. At basic level you need to understand data structure and analysis of algorithms if you want to write efficient and effective applications.

      For example, spot the basic level mistake from the first 2 pages from Chapter 1 of this book: https://www.amazon.com/Java-Closures-Lambda-Robert-Fischer/dp/1430259981

      You can read the free preview here: http://www.apress.com/gp/book/9781430259985

      The book is written by someone who has Master of Divinity degree. A VP of Engineering in some company, yet he made amateurish mistake. He wouldn't make that mistake if he took "Data Structure" and "Analysis of Algorithms" courses.

    175. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue that companies need to have policies in place that remind people to not focus on applicants who look like them is the reason for Affermative Action / Dirversity. White males had the advantage of hiring and promotion for so long it was "normal." That they have to compete with everyone not just white males, seems unfair. I got over it, so can you.

    176. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Fist Data is] More important than Equifax, I'd say.

      This is obviously post-factum statement, after Equifax was hacked. What you don't know is whether Equifax was also supervised by the NSA for their security projects.

    177. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writing the 'click script' in Java actually would be better since Java supports lazy inits, and parallelism (with just one line code change).

    178. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true that it's hard but a degree in that subject is not required. While I would require a college degree because of the other aspects of the job, I would rather have a BA/BS with experience and the ability to think creatively/non-linearly in candidates that work for me. As for acquiring the knowledge, classes and degrees would help but what you really need is the ability to be disciplined enough to study to keep up with the trends and to keep your skill set up.

    179. Re:Yes and no... by alienmole · · Score: 1

      the NSA (in their role of protecting the nation's data infrastructure, not their role of spying on everyone -- two very different organizations within the NSA)

      Or so the NSA would have you believe...

    180. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And very likely none of them will have what it takes to be a reasonable CISO. That job is a bit more difficult than just being able to write good software..

      Maybe, however, being a software "engineer" (there is no such thing as a "software engineer" in almost any modern company - maybe in NASA), starting to try very hard to make your system secure, realising you failed despite your best efforts and then starting to investigate why is one of the best routes to understanding true IT security. These people may not be qualified now but if they try then can be in future.

      A person who has never written software, as this CISO seems to be, can never properly understand some of the most important parts of IT security.

      N.B. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition.

    181. Re:Yes and no... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There are no doctors without medical degrees. There are no lawyers without law degrees. Yet somehow, tech seems to be the one place where a degree is considered near irrelevant (in fact, according to Slashdot, having a degree in computer science may very well disqualify you from professional programming). The reason most often suggested for this difference is that technology isn't as important as medicine or law. Yet this line of thinking has apparently led to the collapse of the US consumer credit system.

      You have listed two fields which aren't degree dependent, but rather certification and professional development dependent in some cases with independent exams. Degrees are worthless even in Law and Medicine. There are plenty of people with both degrees who fail to become lawyers and medical practitioners, just as there are people with engineering degrees who are disqualified from engineering and are not allowed to practice as an engineer in many places.

      The degree isn't relevant. The professional association and membership is. The IT field doesn't have one mandated.

    182. Re:Yes and no... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Even then, what does that say about the CEO who puts someone who appears to be unqualified into such a position? Nevertheless, we are speculating here. I didn't make my career in the field of study of by degrees and for my current professional field I do not have any certs although there are several available. I just don't see how a certification would advance me in my field unless I want to go into management. I don't, because then I'd have to deal with pesky people like me.

    183. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know anyone who would argue against AA on the basis of meritocracy who wouldn't argue the same about legacy admissions.

    184. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo

    185. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me, I beleve ALL arts majors AR qualified to pour coffee. You don't think they work on career-training just like every other field?? Also how to take orders.

    186. Re: Yes and no... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You didn't answer the question: what CSO training programs exist out there? None. This is why your analogy fails. CSO is a relatively new position within companies that isn't really well defined in terms of qualifications.

      Flying a plane for an airline has both industry and federal guidelines for qualification. The first of these is the requirement of a pilot's license which takes years to obtain.

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    187. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C level executives are seldom hired of their direct prowess. After all its a leading position. Track record of leading people in a feudal would be key.... still a bit suspicious though :)

      lots of love - a c level.

    188. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C level only requires track record and ability to lead. That could be experience based, network based or expertise based.

    189. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Music babe engineers what? I imagine that "software engineering" is nothing like writing Greens Functions because if it were then a half-dozen years of practice would be required for mastery.

    190. Re:Yes and no... by XopherMV · · Score: 1

      Well if you have a degree in Comp Si you spent the last 3 years of your academic career not programming.

      What in the hell kind of university/college offers a comp sci degree where that is even remotely true?

      None. Slashdot has a lot of people who didn't finish university for whatever reason. Perhaps they thought they'd be the next Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. Or, they thought they were smarter than their professors. Or, they got tired of their non-CS classes intended to provide a well-rounded education. Or, they took music composition and couldn't find a job in their field. Or, they never went to college in the first place.

    191. Re:Yes and no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The degree is totally irrelevant.

      Of course, you shouldn't be able to get the degree without some experience in the process

      A degree is not vocational training. Stop fucking acting like it is.

    192. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a stupid post.

    193. Re: Yes and no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well, you are. What the fuck about a computer science degree teaches you absolutely fucking anything about information security?

      Here's a hint: Less than fuck all.

      Shit, if she did her degree 20 years ago anything she learned would be horrifically out of date anyway.

      Computer science degrees are fine and lovely, but stop pretending they qualify you for anything. They don't.

    194. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      Maybe she was willing to shag the boss to get ahead. It wouldn't be the first case of a woman using her charms to get what she wants.

    195. Re:Yes and no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      . She needs solid enough fundamentals that she can effectively communicate with engineers and not get wild ideas up her ass that seem stupid to everyone except her.

      Do you know her? Just that I don't, so I wouldn't assume she has communication issues or wild ideas - if anything her background suggests the opposite.

      But hey, talk shit, it's only Slashdot.

    196. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you would never trust them to actually *do* anything...

      I don't know about that. She probably looks good in a little blue dress and gives nice BJs when the CEO and his cronies are feeling a bit stressed out, like right now for instance.

    197. Re:Yes and no... by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      This unit's works are well know, such as the Orange Book and SELinux. On the other hand, the latter was released in 2000, and since then it's entirely possible that group has been corrupted.

    198. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A) Typically at most universities you have to take a number of general prerequisites like English to be well rounded. Out of 120 credits to graduate, only 30 - 60 may be required courses for your degree
      B) Computer Science is not about how to program, but about data structures, algorithm. Really it's a branch of mathematics. You can therefore come out of a highly theoretical comp sci course with little practical exposure to programming. (e.g. a real world language).
      C) This is why, IMHO, Programming would be best offered as a trade school. You can be great a big O notation (Comp Sci) but suck at programming. But on a programming team you'll need someone who can do big O,

    199. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem people are having is that it appears she has never worked anything less than a VP level position in her entire career. I hope this is proven wrong, as it is very unsettling.

    200. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If affects the odds though. Very few music majors are capable of making the shift. Examples from the 50s and 60s are no longer applicable. Those people just loved computers, people shifting these days love money.

      20 years of corporate climbing tells me she was a competent politician. It's one of the costs of being a huge business: In house politicians (no handy walls and firing squads). Many music majors are capable of becoming politicians, I'd expect them to better at such bullsht than actual geeks.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    201. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I You say white males are hired "just cuz", and the predominance of white males is "organic". By ignoring the most logical explainatiom (due to natural selection) that these white males were hired because they were the most qualified, Ironically, you're the one discriminating.

    202. Re: Yes and no... by MotherErich · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's sad that we live in a society so depraved off critical thinking and logic that headlines like this one are acceptable. Is important to report the facts, but intentionally leading to unreasonable conclusions and the general publics laziness in following through with a story or argument are the source of a lot of issues in this country... but maybe I should read the article.

      --
      You have to be smarter than the machine you're working with.
    203. Re:Yes and no... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Examples from the 50s and 60s are no longer applicable. Those people just loved computers, people shifting these days love money.

      20 years of corporate climbing tells me she was a competent politician.

      20 years ago was 1997. People didn't love computers then?

      Honestly, considering /.'s audience, I think you're making the wrong argument here. This thread is filled with tons of people saying "I'm a music major and a programmer" or "I work with music majors who became programmers." Your insistence that a piece of paper from a decade or more ago determines competency is misguided and contrary to tons of available evidence.

    204. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would some one do this?

    205. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bull and shit.

      Computer Science is a branch of mathematics. The fundamentals of which have been developing since the Victorian era an before. The fundamentals are tech agnostic: boolean logic, computational theory, complexity theory, lambda calculus, concurrency and parallelism, networking, linear algebra, discrete mathematics. These are all directly relevant for a career in modern software development (sample case: me - game developer). They can be pick up incidentally without a degree, but a degree enforces at least exposure if not mastery of all of the above subjects (and many more).

      I also take issue with your claim that the teachers will be disinterested or unqualified. This is absurd: the people teaching at post secondary levels will be CS researchers and CS professors - probably the most passionate and knowledgeable computers scientists you can find (they choose academia over corp paychecks). If they're unqualified for anything it's probably the actual teaching part...

    206. Re:Yes and no... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I think she was actually a pretty good choice from Equifax' point of view. They have a security officer [check] who's a woman [check], and now all the appropriate checkboxes are filled they can move on to filling in positions that really matter to them, marketing, revenue-gathering, lobbyists, etc.

    207. Re:Yes and no... by nessman · · Score: 0

      It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      Either that or she gives really good head.

    208. Re:Yes and no... by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 1

      I agree, because certifications and a lifetime in IT are also very good teachers. However, we all have to admit, that there is a lot of dead weight out there. I for one, have seen many Directors, CIO's, CSO's with very little, if any IT knowledge. As a matter of fact, I met a CSO of a now defunct mortgage company that did not know what a /27 meant. (Now, I'll try to be kind about it, because there are days when I am stressed and tired and I can't subnet really fast, but c'mon you should at lease know what it means) I've met an IT director of a govt offshoot that has a BS in PA, who knew NOTHING about IT and told me anyone could manage IT if they knew about projects. All his staff basically got by without patching because he was completely unaware. As long as things were up and running he couldn't tell and did not really care. As a matter of fact, whenever anyone would bring up security flaws, he said that they were exaggerating and dramatic, because he had no ability to see the damage it could cause. Always just politics and yes to everything. Sounds like this is what may have happened at Equifax. The admin/admin in Argentina is also an indicator of this type of executive. So sad. So sad for ALL of us.

    209. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats not insightful ugh.

      While I agree that it probably helps to have some working knowledge about the area you manage, I don't think it is the primary skill of management. You need to be able instill a culture of duty and care and bring the best out of people. Not all uber IT security people have those types of interpersonal skills.

    210. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long did it take for you to orchestrate that response?

    211. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Survivor bias. How many people are there who dropped out of school, and yet unsuccessful?

    212. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumb

    213. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer.

      But a GREAT security officer will have not blood but data pumping through the veins, and will likely themselves be a reformed hacker.

      When you're Equifax, you can't afford to hire someone who is simply good. Genuine lifelong talent is more appropriate for such a position.

    214. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer. But it is suspicious that all of her background is now hidden. It might have been she was CSO for political reasons as one would find in big companies that the person who plays politics is promoted over people who have experience or skill.

      Her job performance and her 'retirement' does much more than suggest that she was unqualified.

    215. Re:Yes and no... by swillden · · Score: 1

      the NSA (in their role of protecting the nation's data infrastructure, not their role of spying on everyone -- two very different organizations within the NSA)

      Or so the NSA would have you believe...

      I've worked closely with people from both organizations. They're real, though in the post-9/11 NSA the former was significantly de-emphasized and the latter radically expanded.

      --
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    216. Re: Yes and no... by leslie.satenstein · · Score: 1

      Is she a good leader, and looked to her senior staff to insure that Equifax was protected. Want to bet she had many different types of security to manage, and it meant security in development, encryption, operations, backups, testing, staff monitoring, premises and more. Her role is management, not hands on. She also has to manage budgets. It's very easy to criticize. One thing you can bet on is that Equifax had security audits, scheduled and random, and the company adhered to the strictest norms.

    217. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a hell of a donger.

    218. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Da Capo al Coda

    219. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Security is not a "safe" position for a company that handles personal and financial data. It doesn't matter if it was a woman or a man, they screwed up. And don't fool yourself into thinking a person that high up is monitoring network activity for breaches anyway. It's easy to throw shade on her being female, and her degree, but they have deeper operational problems for this to even happen.

    220. Re:Yes and no... by superwiz · · Score: 1

      A politically adroit person who knows nothing about the executive position can probably gut their area, eliminate all but a small group of employees, and look like a genius for a while, running their organization like a real boss, with miraculous low payroll.

      No, a politically adroit person would find people who would produce more value to the firm than the division did before him. Reducing your own body count is the last thing an executive wants. An executive justifies his personal growth in power by managing more people. Reducing his head count is tantamount to admitting that his role is growing less relevant. Increasing output contribution to the overall organizational success justifies growing your division (ie, increasing your relevance).

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    221. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod up, until at least 6.
      Yeahyeah, it only goes to 5, but still..

    222. Re: Yes and no... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      I don't know, but he probably had to take a rest afterwards.

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    223. Re:Yes and no... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A politically adroit person who knows nothing about the executive position can probably gut their area, eliminate all but a small group of employees, and look like a genius for a while, running their organization like a real boss, with miraculous low payroll.

      No, a politically adroit person would find people who would produce more value to the firm than the division did before him.

      Well? surely doesn't work out that way very often, does it?

      Reducing your own body count is the last thing an executive wants. An executive justifies his personal growth in power by managing more people. Reducing his head count is tantamount to admitting that his role is growing less relevant.

      In many circles, that makes sense. I worked under a couple though, who did their damndest to get rid of people, because they thought it would make them look good. And while it didn't work out all that well, they advanced under the old adage, "Fuck up, move up" But they kissed ass with the best of them.

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    224. Re:Yes and no... by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Having a liberal arts degree doesn't disqualify you from working in IT. If you only have a liberal arts degree, no technical certifications and no previous IT experience for a high-level role as CSO, you must have really nice legs.

      As a C-level, what do you think the odds are she worked her way up the ranks through the tech skill tree, rather than the management circle jerk tree?

    225. Re:Yes and no... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      I know that type. They are policy people only and should never get near a practitioner. They're not qualified to do real security.
      So far every woman that I've know that has held such a position didn't get it because of her brain or what she knows. Nobody even thought that that knew them. It was a checkbox at least. In one case she was like a doorknob. Everyone had a turn.

    226. Re: Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read this and thought: someone's gotta be pulling my legno. Then I read more and realized what a total cluster it really was. Definitely this little stunt diminished tech-career prospects for the rest of us music degree-folks. Career plans changed for us, sforza sure. I'll now have to augment my salary engaging in some other mode of work, most of which definitely aren't my forte. A continuo challenge to field advancement has just gotten even more grave. If I could, I'd shoot everyone responsible for this out of a canon, in a hot minuet. Worst thing is that we'll never know what the root of the problem really is, and that's bad because the overtones are pretty significant.

    227. Re: Yes and no... by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 2

      You didn't answer the question: what CSO training programs exist out there? None.

      Well I'd start by expecting professional qualifications such as CISSP or at least one or more GIAC certifications...

      Particularly GIAC Security Leadership or GIAC Strategic Planning, Policy, and Leadership.

      -- Pete

    228. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you see her photo?

      I'd rather take a BJ from Criemer!

    229. Re: Yes and no... by Gussington · · Score: 1

      The CISSP is a joke. I did with 5 days of preparation in the first try and I could realistically have done it with far less.

      But I'm going to guess that you aren't an arts major?

    230. Re:Yes and no... by Gussington · · Score: 1

      There are no doctors without medical degrees.

      Sure there is, go to your local Podiatrist or Chiropractor and see how days of education they had to do before calling themselves 'doctor'

      Yet somehow, tech seems to be the one place where a degree is considered near irrelevant

      To be fair, you aren't comparing apples with apples. Medicine, Law, Plumbing etc are established disciplines with fairly fixed material. There is also physical or financial risk at stake, so needs more rigour, but IT has no such burden. The very nature of IT means that it's constantly new and different, and the worst it gets if it all goes wrong is someone can't check Facebook (not accurate but this is the perception)
      The key skill isn't knowing something in particular, it's knowing how to adapt. So four years studying one area really is mostly pointless.

    231. Re:Yes and no... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      1997 was well into the second computer gold rush. It was just like now, incompetents everywhere, after the money. Based on your user ID, you know this.

      I heavily discount claims of 'the best coder I've ever known was as * major'. Because I've run into them on occasion, including the claim. The no degree people are sometimes very good, the multiple degree (including a technical one) people are sometimes very good, the only a music/literature/philosophy degree people, not so much. Are any of the people who claim the 'best coder they've known...' themselves competent coders?

      There are outliers in every group. I will continue to hire actual geeks.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    232. Re: Yes and no... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Let's start with the obvious: That is not a CSO training program. I would hope that a CSO go through that certification but CSO qualifications do not necessarily require it. Just like the position of CIO does not necessarily require an IT degree.

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    233. Re: Yes and no... by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Why would some one do this?

      Because serious security problems for the business often don't show up immediately.

      If users have too little access to data or functionality, they will notice and complain, and pretty quickly. If they are paying customers or internal users who have any clout at all, the problem will get resolved by granting them more access.

      If in the course of getting them they access they need (or think they need), they end up getting more access, that's not a problem worth complaining about, they figure -- if they notice it at all. If other users also get access, access that they should not have, that's not a problem worth complaining about, either. Assuming anyone even notices. (Usually. Some rare birds are like me: if they discover they can see or change data they shouldn't be able to, or have access to functionality they should not have, they report it, and try to get it taken away.)

      Another (probably more likely) scenario: there was little or no attempt to restrict access in the first place. Nobody complained, because it was released with security problems from the start. "Time to market" and "Time to market with no important security problems" look exactly the same to the people who run the Sales and Marketing departments. (But "time to market with no important security problems" takes longer, and that they can and do notice.)

      That excessive access may not ever get used in a way that hurts the business.

      Or it might blow up pretty badly, right away or years and years later.

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    234. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Advanced degrees that specifically include security beyond what entry-level certs cover barely came into existence 10 years ago. The first batch of people outside of the academic guinea pig stage are still working their way through. I know. I'm six years in.

      And to be honest, employers less than care. Employers think of us as too expensive to hire before we even get to negotiating salary. The whole damned department has that shared experience.

    235. Re: Yes and no... by tigersha · · Score: 1

      It is more important that you have nice things between your legs and know how to use it.

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    236. Re: Yes and no... by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Equifucks make everyone's between the legs skills equal, regardless of color, race or religion

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    237. Re:Yes and no... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Also I think people are forgetting the type of position. I mean first of all it seems that 11 years of experience for that type of position is too few (heck I've been around for 17 in field, well not security but you get the idea). However perhaps she did really well, or got high regard. At any rate, as CSO, or Director, or VP, or any of those positions, it isn't like she is doing any real hands on IT work. She is a manager. In case no one has ever noticed (and I doubt that as everyone bitches about it constantly on here, including myself), most managers lack most technical experience, though some might come from that background it certainly isn't required. They are around to manage a team, department, etc... and make the final call on decision that might impact that. So in this case who knows, perhaps the whole organization is technically backwards, her team was terrible, conceivable she was never told or notified of the problems, or had institutional challenges (i.e. funding, or lack of priority, etc...). As to her retiring, well she could have been close to retirement anyway, and didn't want to put up with the incoming backlash, and regardless she was the person at the helm, and you take the fall, perhaps even when it wasn't entirely your fault. When you're the CSO and you company has the biggest privacy breach in the history of the world, at *best* you retire regardless of background, gender, or whatever.

      Anyway the short version is that she is a manager, not technical staff, so judging her only on that is a bit much. Who knows, perhaps she was a horrible manager, and didn't control her department, or didn't fight hard enough for security priorities, or was responsible for bad policies or practices... But it isn't like she would have been the one that specifically messed up, though nominally responsible for as manager however, hence the "retirement".

    238. Re:Yes and no... by Anil · · Score: 1

      +1

    239. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This smells to high heaven. Even if you don't particularly care to have a person with IT or security experience in charge of your security, even if you're using the position as a diversity position there has to be thousands of marginally qualified females that you can slot into a position like this. Heck if nothing else go for an MBA, you can at least pretend they have business experience. But someone with a masters in fine arts?
      She's got to be either related to someone or doing the horizontal mombo to get a position so hihg with so few qualifications.

    240. Re:Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a liberal arts degree doesn't disqualify you from working in IT. If you only have a liberal arts degree, no technical certifications and no previous IT experience for a high-level role as CSO, you must have really nice legs.

      You obviously didn't run an image search on Susan Mauldin.

    241. Re: Yes and no... by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Lemme git this straight. There have been a million security hacks of orgs where dudes were in charge, but the first time one happens to a women, you're bitching about "diversity hires". Eat shit and die misogynist prick.

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    242. Re: Yes and no... by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      At the risk of sounding like a prima donna, not very long.

    243. Re: Yes and no... by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 1

      Let's continue the obvious - I don't consider that most professional roles have a specific training programme. They are built on experience and appropriate training and professional development as required.

      I would consider CISSP and/or GIAC qualifications as being key indicators for professional development for someone in a CSO role. Of course there can be other qualifications or evidence of professional development - I'm not claiming there is a specific training programme; just as there isn't one for a web developer, call center agent, tester, CIO, or road sweeper.

      -- Pete.

  2. And worse, is horrifically anti-tech and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    didn't like introverted males so she refused to interact with them.

    1. Re: And worse, is horrifically anti-tech and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a female VP of engineering like that. Nothing gets done since she doesn't want to go to meetings or even just talk to us.

    2. Re: And worse, is horrifically anti-tech and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every large company I've worked for had mostly anti-tech C-level people. They considered themselves above us since they understood people while we only understood tech.

    3. Re:And worse, is horrifically anti-tech and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sources?

    4. Re:And worse, is horrifically anti-tech and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has anti-tech C-level people.

  3. Stuff like this is so common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nepotism is rampant pretty much everywhere. I was talking with a coworker this morning how both of us have each given a "thumbs down" to every candidate we've ever interviewed here, yet the people always get hired because they're a friend or friend-of-a-friend.

    1. Re: Stuff like this is so common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be just the company concluding your feedback is useless. If you never met anyone good, the issue is you not the whole world.

    2. Re: Stuff like this is so common by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Could be useless feedback, could be broken hiring process. Not enough information.

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  4. Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A good share of this site's users do very important technical work--quite competently--without the educational credentials.
    Let's judge people here by their actions, not their degrees.

    1. Re: Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there.

    2. Re: Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone else who is self taught, I would think they would be proud to tell people that it makes mention of it in a LinkedIn page, instead they are proud of their music knowledge.

    3. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How quickly you forget.

      Why are they in the news again? Incompetent administration, unpatched systems, no emphasis on security?

      Her results are on the record.

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    4. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Her results are on the record.

      I think that was the point.

    5. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because I'm sure the C-level executive of a large enterprise like Equifax is writing GPOs for Windows Update or popping into an SSH console and running apt upgrade -y / configuring automatic updates.

      Ultimately she bears responsibility because the direction and emphasis should have come from her, and any breach big enough to land you in the nightly news will ultimately have someone answering to the board of directors; in reality it's the middle management and the incompetent engineers that are directly responsible, because they weren't watching to make sure proper policy was in place, best practices are being followed, and that competent people are being hired and doing their jobs.

      She is responsible for empowering those incompetents to begin with, so she doesn't get to keep her job either. But let's not dump it all on the upper management who very often doesn't see the day-to-day.

    6. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If the company survives this, they will certainly need to replace the entire security team. Find the ones that quit in disgust and hire them back.

      But it's ultimately on her, the CTO, COO, CEO and board. They are fully responsible for the team in place, it's budget and the priorities they operated under.

      When your servers aren't getting patched, it goes to the top. That's just basic.

      Having been around, I bet patching Struts (and all the rest of the server software) was nobody's 'job', a low priority sideshow for some poor bastard who had to test* the patches on the development servers.

      * also: no formal testing procedure, just install it and see if anything breaks. Which makes for bad confidence.

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    7. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by computational+super · · Score: 1

      do very important technical work--quite competently--without the educational credentials

      Well, it's not much of a stretch to extrapolate from that that you feel that educational credentials are, in effect, meaningless for technical work. Do you feel that way about all fields or just technology?

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    8. Re: Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their security team will be replaced by Infosys contractors. We need to go cheaper.

      Having worked a TransUnion, they tried to do that but it was an utter failure. Sending confidential credit data to Bangalore was a huge no no. I fully expect Equifax to go bankrupt or be absorbed by one of the other 2 (unless the government intervenes). SEC will nail these execs for insider trading too.

      As more investigation is done, it will be clear they have known about this for months. It will just keep getting worse.

    9. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't she been fired then? Maybe she warned them and the bean counters decided it wasn't worth it.

      We simply don't know, and speculation is pointless.

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    10. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      CSO is a responsible position. She can't just pass the buck. It was her job to take it to the board and resign over not being allowed to do her job (assuming that's her story).

      Three letter people don't get fired. She'll 'take time off to spend with her family' shortly. Likely followed by the COO and CEO.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    11. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      Why are they in the news again? Incompetent administration, unpatched systems, no emphasis on security?

      C-level execs bring home huge paychecks because of their (alleged) vast, exquisite expertise and the tremendous amount of responsibility they must bear. You can't collect a paycheck of this level while at the same time playing dumb and throwing underlings under the bus. Well, I guess you can, but you shouldn't.

    12. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Here is a consequence of her actions (or of the actions of her underlings).

      Username: Admin
      Password: Admin

    13. Re: Let's not be hypocritical by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Really he just opened up the possibility that someone without credentials might have skills. Going through the accredation process is one way to get the skills, and it usually works. but it's hardly required, especially in the information age. The problem with this particular woman is that she lacked the skills, so I'm not sure what the fixation on her degree is.

    14. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Thad+Boyd · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't she been fired then?

      She has. So has the CIO.

      No word on what the CIO's major was.

    15. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In working with other security professionals, it seems like the bar for entry is a little bit higher than most other IT jobs. It's not surprising that she got a good paying job in IT. It is surprising that she was a CSO.

    16. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we're also not managing the credit information for half the country.

      If you are you'd better have a fucking degree in doing just that.

      Or the company that hired you fucked up bad and should be liable for damages.

    17. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Let's judge people here by their actions, not their degrees.

      We are.

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    18. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was walked out last week.

    19. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firing her is admitting that she (meaning they) did something stupid and could be financially responsible.

    20. Re:Let's not be hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Let's judge people here by their actions, not their degrees.

      To get a degree is an action - an not an irrelevant one.

  5. Marie Antoinettes fiddler. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    she will play My Heart Bleeds For You while the other execs sit back and watch 140 million pee-ons "eat cake".

    Nothing will happen to anyone involved. The politicians will make noise but do nothing. They are paid for.

  6. Yeah but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't there anyone else in the organization that knows the vpn user/pw is admin/admin that can blow the whistle before hackers dump your sack?

    Organizationally it shows these companies have no blue teams looking for red teams. And they have your mortgage documents.

    1. Re:Yeah but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you worked in any of these types of places you'd realize it's a miracle they are even in business. This is all too common, high level technologist positions being staffed by yes men/women. The management in a bad organization only wants to hear positive news and political creatures get elevated to higher positions in place of real experts who are apt to be critical. Major banks are the biggest offenders, I at one point worked infosec at a major bank, lets just say many critical systems with trival passwords, fake test user accounts, unsecured networks and traffic. Utter and total incompetence, that people work hard to resolve but nobody want to deliver the big bad news.

    2. Re:Yeah but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From experience: if it's not my problem, I won't blow the whistle, been there saw the weakness, reported it and.............got blamed for exposing the weakness as if I was the one who created it.

      So, if it's not my responsibility, I'm not going to report it and jeopardize my career.

  7. Having a degree in a different field isn't wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I myself am a music major and have since gone on to be a highly certified security individual. What a person takes as their post-secondary degree when they are 18-24 and starting life doesn't imply they haven't SINCE developed a full suite of skills and certifications making them perfectly suited to the job.

  8. Computerz Iz eezy, anybudy can does it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hell Donald Trump is president of the USA, why can't a third rate musician with no valid understanding of technology or security be in charge of privacy at such a massive firm?

  9. CSO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    She's helping them sing the blues now.

  10. Musicians can make good computer scientists by Rujiel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... imo. Or at least, good programmers. There's a lot of metal overlap between the fields.

    1. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression programmers are more into dubstep these days.

    2. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the early pioneers in Tech, the man that interviewed Bill Gate and was given the infamous "64K" quote, is a world class composer. (yes Dennis I'm referring to you!).

    3. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Coders are routinely bad at security. It is a different skill. Also, self-taught coders usually suck badly as soon as the least bit of actual CS comes into it.

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    4. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Also, self-taught coders usually suck badly as soon as the least bit of actual CS comes into it.

      That's why people bitch about the interview process for developers. If your method of learning was targeted to solving concrete problems, then being asked to explain how to print a binary tree in vertical order, which is what Amazon does in their phone screenings is going to fuck you up.

    5. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, if you do not manage to get that tree question right, then you have no solid foundation in algorithms. That means you probably can code simple business-logic, but nothing else. That tree question is practically relevant, for example, when searching through that tree. This has a large number of real-world applications and can be done in a number of different ways. Some of these ways are massively less efficient for some problems and a competent coder understands why that is.

      I am fully aware that most of today's moron-coders never have implemented a tree. Which is utterly pathetic. We urgently need formal qualification levels for coders, the current state of affairs is intolerable.

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    6. Re:Musicians can make good computer scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Coders are routinely bad at security. It is a different skill. Also, self-taught coders usually suck badly as soon as the least bit of actual CS comes into it.
      Flag as Inappropriate" Hear Hear!

      But with all these fuck ups , it's looking more and more like the Security people are the ones that suck at security the most.

  11. Shocker. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was no such thing as a degree in IT security 10 years ago.

    What exactly were you expecting?

    1. Re:Shocker. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A degree in computer science and significant experience in IT Security.

    2. Re: Shocker. by benedictaddis · · Score: 1

      Ahem. "Our [Information Security] MSc programme was the first of its kind in the world, running for the first time in 1992." Source: https://www.royalholloway.ac.u...

  12. I suppose but by burtosis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't you want someone who isn't an expert at singing when it comes time to testify?

    1. Re:I suppose but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't looking that far ahead. They just wanted someone who could fiddle while Equifax burns.

  13. Majors don't mean shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You wanna bet the people that hacked Equifax didn't major in security too? Like she would have learned anything in college that would have prevented this. No, this mistake was made by someone much lower in the org than her and they probably had certs/degrees.

    1. Re:Majors don't mean shit by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of CS and Engineering people that wouldn't have known any better.

      But there are also some that would have. Music education had no chance of teaching her what she needed to know. She was almost setup to be a perfect victim of some security company's 'magic bullet marketing'.

      The practicals of security are tough and not taught in school. But 'three letter' executives aren't expected to be in the trenches, they are expected to set policy. For example: 'All patches should be tested and deployed with highest priority' would have prevented this breach. Bet she cut the budget, and got a bonus for it.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Majors don't mean shit by eth1 · · Score: 2

      No, this mistake was made by someone much lower in the org than her and they probably had certs/degrees.

      Probably not...

      I'm in InfoSec as well, and it almost always goes like this:
      1. InfoSec - we need to do X, Y and Z to address these weak points. It will cost $A. (or potentially involve B amount of dealing with user gripes)
      2. Upper management - no, that's too expensive (or to much trouble, or whatever)
      3. InfoSec - well, ok, we have enough resources to partially address the worst offenders X and Y...
      4. Attackers - Z is weak! All your bytes are belong to us!
      5. Upper management - !?! Here's a stack of money, and you users shut up
      6. InfoSec - Ok, barn door is shut, but the horse is long gone...

      Security issues, in my experience, are almost always due to lack of funding/manpower rather than engineering incompetence.

    3. Re:Majors don't mean shit by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      False.

      3. InfoSec - Ok, CEO, sign here that you carry the risk. You find a memo that I informed you about the risk, its likelyhood and impact in your mail inbox, I have a hardcopy just in case our servers suddenly get selective amnesia.

      At least if the CISO has balls and brains.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Majors don't mean shit by dwye · · Score: 1

      So you are saying that she was the Equifax Barney Stinson, but without the foresight to snitch to the SEC in time?

  14. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says Security Suzi

  15. "Education doesn't matter," say turdbros. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Any high school dropout can be a tech billionaire!"

    "Music majors can't do tech stuff!"

    Which is it, you fuckheads?

    1. Re:"Education doesn't matter," say turdbros. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "Any high school dropout can be a tech billionaire!"

      Bill Gates didn't drop out of Iowa State University, pal.

    2. Re:"Education doesn't matter," say turdbros. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Education does not determine qualification, right.

      But it is a pretty good indicator. When someone majored in IT security, I won't question his qualification as a CISO. If someone majored in music, I do want to know what he can show me to justify that position.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  16. Re: Having a degree in a different field isn't wro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This isn't her secondary degree tho. She's got a BS and masters in music. That is what she studied.

    Also if she is self taught, post that in LinkedIn, along with some projects you've worked on that helped you along the way. Yet, all we get is crickets.

  17. Well, this is explains the song and dance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This explains the song and dance Equifax has been providing.

    Perhaps soon, it will be singing a different tune.

  18. Found this interview by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They took it down, but of course the Wayback machine has it. https://web.archive.org/web/20...

    1. Re:Found this interview by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, there are two ways you could interpret this.

      One is that she's got a competent and well-developed perspective on the security industry. She's put a lot of thought into many new and upcoming problems, has kept herself on the leading edge, and is well-appraised of many deep and complex topics in information security. On top of all that, she also has excellent taste in music.

      The other is that she's a woman and obviously doesn't know what any of those big words she's using actually mean.

      The major debate will be held on Reddit and will primarily feature these two points of view.

    2. Re:Found this interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other is that she's a woman and obviously doesn't know what any of those big words she's using actually mean.

      Yeah, no. The other side of it isn't that she doesn't know what any of those big words actually mean merely because she's a woman, but that she was hired solely because she was a woman.

      Diversity is great! (Especially when it comes with identity theft for pretty much every American.)

    3. Re:Found this interview by swb · · Score: 1

      Will you let me know what sub to watch for the debate, or will it just make the front page? Or do I have to wait for the whining thread in r/conspiracy about how the mods conspired to kill the debate on CIA mind control music ruining internet security?

    4. Re:Found this interview by computational+super · · Score: 1

      is well-appraised of many deep and complex topics in information security

      Well, considering they were running an unpatched version of Apache struts and using "admin" as their passwords, we can pretty much rule that out.

      doesn't know what any of those big words she's using actually mean

      So you must be saying option B.

      I love the smell of moralizing high-and-mighty white knights painting themselves into a corner in the morning.

      --
      Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
    5. Re:Found this interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The interview is devoid of content and the key takeaway is that they used a risk-based strategy.

      From how they got toasted, risk-based means you don't patch immediately and take the risk that you might get hacked before you get around to doing it.

      Personally you shouldn't be using a risk-based approach when it comes to critical controls guarding critical data-assets.

      Risk based only makes any sense for protecting shit you don't care gets breached.

      In short: Equifax are arrogant dumbasses.

    6. Re:Found this interview by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Although I think your point has some validity, in many large organizations, there is no application portfolio management whatsoever so you don't even have a list of deployed systems never mind information about their internals or patches.

    7. Re:Found this interview by computational+super · · Score: 1

      So she didn't even review the vulnerability scans? Or didn't make sure that they were even done? This is simple standard stuff that any vulnerability scanner would find - Nessus or even nikto would uncover this stuff.

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      Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
    8. Re:Found this interview by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Nessus and Nikto will only find this if they find the vulnerable systems. If the apps are in a "forgotten" DMZ this won't help one bit.

    9. Re:Found this interview by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And even if they find it, it still takes someone capable of interpreting the findings.

      Not everything Nessus will report comes with a hot-red "WARNING, DANGER" sticker. Many of the things Nessus will find are not something it could actually determine to be a problem. Is an open port a problem? Not if you're running a server behind it. But it's a severe one if you have no idea what's running on that port and there shouldn't be anything. Likewise, how should Nessus determine whether a configuration that can be valid is a problem?

      Nessus is a tool, it ain't a silver bullet. It still needs a capable security officer to read its output, understand it and make sensible decisions based on it.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    10. Re:Found this interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The least you can do is to subscribe to security newsletters/mail lists from softwares you're using. For example in this case it's Apache Struts: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?announcements@struts.apache.org

  19. Or family connections by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No amount of nice legs would get you CSO of a security centered firm with no experience and an unrelated degree. The ruling class take care of their own. Always have. I sure wish the working class did the same...

    --
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    1. Re:Or family connections by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Equifax is a credit reporting bureau, and not FireEye, Tripwire, Qualys, F-Secure, PC-Matic (for consumers), etc. (though you are correct in that security is an incredibly high priority for a credit reporting bureau, or at least one would think so... but they got popped via a way outdated version of Struts, FFS.)

      A company like Qualys or Tripwire getting popped would spell certain doom for that company.

      Equifax on the other hand will likely survive this (as long as nothing else happens in the next 2-3 years, anyway).

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    2. Re:Or family connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just checked...the stock is down to where it was merely two years ago.

      With as appalling as this breach is, their stock should rightly be back to where it was in 2000. Even 2009-level would be nice.

      There ain't no justice.

    3. Re:Or family connections by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The ruling class take care of their own.

      Irrelevant. This breach isn't going to cost them anything. In fact if enough people sign up for monitoring and protection or whatever they call it (they're offering one year free - how generous!) they'll probably come out ahead.

      Screw up and get an ongoing revenue stream.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  20. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She looks like a troll to boot, so totally a feminist affirmative action hire. Fucking idiots.

    For those saying having a liberal arts degree doesn't disqualify you from having tech skills, I will have to disagree.

      IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO GET A LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE IN THE FIRST PLACE.....YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

    1. Re: Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an economics VS and work in software development for a healthcare company.

      Not only can I learn about and perform in one topic, but I can even learn about and perform in another.

      Have fun with your monoculture. They tend to die naturally.

  21. So? Also better reasons for hiding profile by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got grade 2 piano and no IT qualifications, and yet I'm working in IT instead of busking my way through chopsticks.

    If that wasn't enough, news outlet MarketWatch reported on Friday that Susan Mauldin's LinkedIn page was made private and her last name was replaced with "M", in a move that appears to keep her education background secret.

    I doubt it has anything to do with keeping her education background secret, and more to do with simply wanting to disappear until this particular shit storm blows over. Lot of (rightfully) angry people out there, some of whom might do (unrightfully) angry things.

    --
    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    1. Re:So? Also better reasons for hiding profile by info6568 · · Score: 1

      I have decades of studies in music. Right now I am helping my children to enter this wonderful world on their violin studies. But I also have a bachelor in Computing Science and a Master Degree in Security from high profile universities.

      I know that music and informatics are very related professions; they share "the way of thinking". However, they don't share the engineering provision knowledge that requires a lot of studies and experience to develop. Simply stated, it is not the same to understand the situation than to control it.

      Security has a very complex profile in the currently evolving world and, sadly, a big quantity of security managers are not prepared enough to decide how to move safely on our modern dangerous data seas.

      I can't talk in particular about this person because I don't know her. However, I think that a real security manager must be some sort of magician and, in general, they are only managers without enough knowledge to take the right decisions on time.

    2. Re:So? Also better reasons for hiding profile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans rightfully perform rightfully done angry things. Overdue ... as the karma-gods would have it pandering to corruptious jewboi legalism, long and painfully overdue.

  22. Musicians and algorithms. by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    In my humble experience, musicians and mathematicians can converse very coherently upon the subject of algorithms. It's truly something to be a fly on the wall for one of those conversations.

    However, back to the matter at hand. I suspect that we will learn that Equifax was a shell of a company that is still running XP or even NT and that the business people treated the tech side of the company as janitors who basically had to keep the place looking tidy and those credit card transactions coming in.

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    ---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
  23. The new rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new rage is to hire people totally unqualified for their position, especially the top spot. Its rampant at the EPA, DOE, ...etc.

  24. Only occupation with too many by bongey · · Score: 1

    Unqualified people working in IT/software. There needs to be laws to set a bare minimum of qualified degrees or certifications to work above a certain level. Shit even plumbers must certified to fix your shitter.

  25. Not even a stretch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard to even consider it a stretch a music degree vs IT security. I guess she figured IT security paid a lot more then music. Maybe she should consider going back to music?

  26. Okay, things are progressing smoothly by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    We have our scapegoat to let the board members off the hook. Not that's she's qualified or anything... They just hired somebody that wouldn't demand a high salary. Sounds like a common practice to me.

    Now then, as for the other two major consumer credit reporting agencies, when will they report the "breaches"* into their systems? You know it happened there too.

    *euphemism for what really was a transfer to a buyer

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:Okay, things are progressing smoothly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would liek to subscribe to your newsletter

    2. Re:Okay, things are progressing smoothly by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well. "CISO" is ancient Geek for "the lamb that is slaughtered first". I know a guy that resigned from a really well paying CISO position after a few months, because they would not let him look at anything or have any information or impact at all.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    3. Re:Okay, things are progressing smoothly by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Probably the only more dangerous job (for entrapment) is "procurement", but its great power over all else is very tempting, and the money that can be made, just by leaving the door open...

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Okay, things are progressing smoothly by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      That's what you're supposed to do. You have a responsible position, that you aren't allowed to do. You quit, talk is cheap.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    5. Re:Okay, things are progressing smoothly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a great gig...well paid to do not much of anything! Of course, there's the whole end-of-career thing when it all goes south...

  27. Keep it classy, /. by hrbrmstr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMO this post shld be taken down. It is not a technology discussion and it's definitely not "stuff that matters". I personally know liberal arts majors, one of whom has degrees in music and nothing else who are likely more experienced and qualified in security than 99% of the security folks on /. Good step onto the slippery slope of becoming yet-another-Reddit. But, if one needs clickbait for ad revenue, one will do just about anything.

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    1. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're crossing a line when you call for censorship. Just tell them that you don't think this belongs here .. or heck maybe you 'win' and will see the rest of the demos call for you to be censored one day. So in your own interest, just state your dislike and maybe even contribute a few good stories.

    2. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's fair to discuss the competency of the CSO of the firm responsible of leaking the whole country's credit information.

      Male or female.

      If it was a male with a music degree, I'd be digging deeper too. Fair play.

    3. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If she had no IT security experience, sure, there'd be a story, but come on, she was CSO at FDC, and ran the CC division for Sun Trust, after years at HP. On paper, she's incredibly qualified even without a tech degree. But OMG SHE'S GOT A VAGINA so apparently she's automatically a technical idiot.

      If you think a CSO needs a tech degree, you should probably just shut up before you embarrass yourself further, and go back to churning out JSON that the India team laughs at every night, before your limited range of skills becomes obsolete. I'd be more concerned about her lack of an MBA. CSO for a company that size is an executive position responsible for managing budget, reporting, and a handful of EVP direct reports who manage the people and processes. If she's personally supervising technical activities in any way, that would be surprising.

      And, of course, a TRULY incompetent organization would never have noticed they were hacked.

    4. Re:Keep it classy, /. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What makes you think you're qualified to judge security competence?

      In any case, _this_ CSO was blithering incompetent. Proof is in the pudding. She couldn't even get staff to keep the servers patched. Basic stuff.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    5. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally know a guy who's really good at cutting tree limbs. I am offended that he's not allowed to be a surgeon.

    6. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the adult population of the usa had their credit information stolen by gross incompentence at equifax.

      Not stuff that matters? yeah fuck you.

    7. Re:Keep it classy, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah IT security at a huge US data firm is not technology related. Sure.

  28. Seriously?!? by Aethedor · · Score: 1

    This is an insult to anyone working hard to make the best of information security. Equifax deserved it!!

    --
    It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
  29. Well, she at least knows the right words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems she's not a complete novice, she's uses some of the right words and is familiar with the idea of tokenization for securing PII in "the cloud" (which is f*cking stupid idea that adds complexity and increases the attack surface but all the rage with a lot of the security groups I've worked with). This statement also stood out for me "In today's environment, fully funded, well staffed adversaries can pretty much get to any asset that they decide to target." Oddly enough, I usually consider an attitude like that a sign of security staff who know what they're talking about. I've dealt with too many admins and CISO who think they are god's gift to security and no one can penetrate their environment. Generally their wrong... often in spectacular fashion (I was working with such a team this week that was insisting an XSS vulnerability in their custom IDP solution caused by a failure to sanitize inputs was really because it was being "called wrong"... and they just continued to double down when anyone tried to argue their logic... bad guys always follow the rules ya know).

    1. Re:Well, she at least knows the right words... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Generally their wrong

      Yes, they'res a lot of it about.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  30. IT Crowd irl by AlexDelphino · · Score: 1

    it's exciting to see one of my favorite tv shows come to life.

    1. Re:IT Crowd irl by dwye · · Score: 1

      This is "How I Met Your Mother" and she is Barney Stinson. except that she waited too long to narc out her employers.

  31. Meaningless equivalency ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... of formal vs informal education.

    I am a retired IT guy. I never went to school for a goddam thing.

    I started as a hobbyist in 1978 (TRS-80) and LIVED the digital revolution.

    I have an aptitude for it that school would probably have fucked up.

    Infosec and backup were my two nightmares.

    I handled them both with best practices, limited only by management's lack of infinite resources, including common sense.

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re:Meaningless equivalency ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure and agreed.

      BUT... in the absence of talent and the absence of desire to self-teach you got degrees.

      If you don't got no talent and you don't got no desire to self-teach and you don't got no degree you don't got shit.

  32. Good, then she can play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taps at the next board meeting. Die and go down in flames you parasitic scum!

  33. ...played good note by kiviQr · · Score: 1

    that sounds about right...

  34. Don't assume these are Ms. Mauldin's answers by mykepredko · · Score: 0

    I suspect that this is an email interview (at best) with the sitting down part being introductions and pleasantries after which a list of questions was handed to Ms. Mauldin and answers were returned via "her" email.

  35. Re:Only occupation with too many by computational+super · · Score: 1

    Nothing sets Slashdot off like suggesting that programmers should be subject to certain qualifications (just look through the rest of the comments here). As far as Slashdot is concerned, everybody is a competent programmer except the ones who've ever actually studied it academically.

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    Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
  36. A Master's in Music Composition, you say... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    There's lots of valid career paths that could lead to a job in IT, and I would normally accept any reasonable explanation for how she got the job

    They tried to cover her academic qualifications up, though, which leads me to a slightly different conclusion...that she got the job by composing an original piece with a title something like, "Duet for Skin Flute and Tulips".

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    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  37. Re: Having a degree in a different field isn't wro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people get their masters right after a bachelors. In fact you can get both in five years if you push it. So that's no proof of anything.

    She probably just wanted some privacy since of course as we know the minute someone becomes famous or a meme they will be immediately doxxed and harassed by internet trolls who think it's their job to police things.

  38. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Certification won't help. We had a licensed plumber install our dishwasher - wrong. I only knew it because I happened to catch a TV show with Mike Holmes where he pointed out the very same mistake.

  39. In her defense... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    So many on here seem to think that a college degree is not required for certain IS/IT related positions. They taut how college degrees are useless.

    Well, here you go - she had a BA and MFA. She is obviously intelligent and capable of learning. Her work background had her working in at least two tech related positions given the companies for which she worked.

    The comments made by former coworkers indicate she is organized and able to lead her teams. Ultimately, that's what get you an executive job.

    However, the details of the role as "Professional" in those organizations leaves much to be desired (ie. as no details). And, it's frightening to think that someone unwilling (or unable) to disclose their achievements AND rise to the the level of CSO at a major organization..hell...what is this what I have I been doing wrong? I am infinitely more qualified.

    I look forward to the investigative reports that will come from this. But, while I would like to see them responsible for providing the ability to lock/unlock our profiles at will, the reality is that many more companies are accumulating and tracking us. I read the other day that there are upwards of 4500 credit agencies that, while on a smaller scale than Equifax, are selling and using our credit histories.

    As a person who's information was leaked by the OPM and, supposedly, being monitored and protected by Equifax, I am very concerned. Something has to be done. I just don't know what that something is.

    1. Re:In her defense... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      If you want to argue the importance of college degrees, you should probably at least get through the second sentence without misusing a word completely.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    2. Re:In her defense... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      How so?

    3. Re:In her defense... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      NVM...I need to learn to count sentences and find a keyboard that doesn't stick on certain letters.

  40. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    What a person takes as their post-secondary degree when they are 18-24 and starting life doesn't imply they haven't SINCE developed a full suite of skills and certifications making them perfectly suited to the job.

    What does being at the wheel when infosec Chernobyl happens imply?

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  41. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by MangoCats · · Score: 1

    Agreed - too bad she didn't have her LinkedIn profile sufficiently updated to reflect her current skillset BEFORE the big breach happened.

  42. Re:Found this interview-Apache Struts2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given my exposure to struts 2, it is only used by truly hapless organizations at the moment, front ends evolve and once you are re-skinning you probably are moving to a new framework as well. It wasn't as widely adopted as Struts 1 and by the time it was stable and released it was already eclipsed by other software. In 2017 only systems that are outdated and outmoded are still using struts, then to not patch zero day vulnerabilities and to have a struts web tier unsecured to the point where sensitive data could be accessed and then transferred out really confirms the incompetence of the security personnel at equifax. Breeches happen, but should be contained so that entire databases aren't transferred out.

  43. This should play really well in the lawsuits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they end up in Chapter 7 liquidation as soon as possible. It's the only thing that will change any corporate behavior. They need to know that this level of incompetence can result in the death of the business.

  44. Expert in playing the skin flute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is there a chance that some nepotism was involved?
    This guy got millions in bonuses, the term the stock holders need to use is CLAWBACK!
    Then maybe JAIL TIME.

  45. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Certification is utterly worthless. In fact, certification makes things worse. When actual IT security experts work with people that just have "certifications", we not only have to explain how things actually work, we have to overcome all those wrong ideas first. It is utterly pathetic.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  46. Most important qualification. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But she did have the most important qualification: Not a cis gendered white male. Welcome to the new normal. Thanks to insanity like affirmative action it's all about who you are, not the skills you bring to the table.

    'scuse me while I go watch "Idiocracy" again.

  47. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a person takes as their post-secondary degree when they are 18-24 and starting life doesn't imply they haven't SINCE developed a full suite of skills and certifications making them perfectly suited to the job.

    No, but being the Chief Security Officer presiding over the worst data breach in history because of a simple failure to patch critical systems, DOES imply that.

  48. Re:Only occupation with too many by gweihir · · Score: 1

    I fully agree. It is pathetic. I just recently had to explain to some 5-year web application developers at a really large company where they write mission-critical software, what an HTTP-header looks like. These people have zero understanding what they do. They can use some frameworks for implementing simple business logic, but ask them whether a variable is actually stored on client or server side and they just look at you without any understanding at all.

    What we need in software creation is _engineers_. You know, people that have a clue how things work and how to build things so that they work and can be maintained. All those unqualified cretins that cannot even use a different text-editor or are clueless when asked how the things they build actually works need to go. They would have more worth for society if they were retired at full wages immediately. Then they would at least stop doing massive damage.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  49. Re:Only occupation with too many by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Well, a lot of people here have a lot to lose. But the abysmally bad state that most current software is in is due to the abysmally bad skills of most coders. And this cannot continue.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  50. Re: Having a degree in a different field isn't wro by sfcat · · Score: 1

    This isn't her secondary degree tho. She's got a BS and masters in music. That is what she studied.

    Also if she is self taught, post that in LinkedIn, along with some projects you've worked on that helped you along the way. Yet, all we get is crickets.

    Given the absurd lack of security at Equifax that has come to light in recent days, I don't care what color is her skin or what's between her legs. The CSO was grossly incompetent and she and anyone involved in hiring her should be fired immediately with cause. Its likely the entire security team needs to be replaced and a large amount of the IT infrastructure. It might be easier to just bankrupt them as I have my doubts that an organization that is so clearly rotten from the top down could ever fix itself.

    --
    "Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
  51. Re: Only occupation with too many by benedictaddis · · Score: 1

    Do share...

  52. Obligatory XKCD by next_ghost · · Score: 2

    Obligatory XKCD. There really is one for everything.

  53. My SSN makes a good 7/4 bass line! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait... its used for something else?

  54. To be fair, this degree isn't a disqualifier alone by slasher999 · · Score: 1

    There is actually quite a bit that comes with obtaining a music degree that is applicable in IT. I'm not supporting this specific decision or Equifax in general, but determining someone's qualifications specifically by degree is not only short sighted but is the type,of thinking that can actually lead to scenarios like this.

  55. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. While there are definitely prodigies without degrees who know their stuff, this is not the majority. I've worked with many self-described developers without degrees and most of them are very slow to complete their assignments. Too busy trying to understand basic crap like 2-dimensional arrays. You know things are messed up when you operate at a normal level and get praised for excellence because everyone else just sucks.

    It's very annoying when productivity suffers because being a developer is a hot trend that supposedly anyone can do.

  56. Russian by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    The "CIO" who hired a musician majored in Russian and had a Master in Business.
    On even more news, they've both "retired"....
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/1...

    1. Re:Russian by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I saw that! Once again, the IT department is a bone thrown to a special interest friend of another Exec. Mind you, there are a lot of companies that use CFO's as the acting CIO! If you have a good Director with IT knowledge under them, you might be able to get away with it, but sadly this is not the case in many instances. When I read this stuff I feel like I'm on crazy pills. I'm waiting for my straight jacket and paddle walls.

    2. Re:Russian by dwye · · Score: 1

      So you think that they should have remained in their jobs, and maybe screwed up something MORE?

      Granted, the best solution might be to restore Imperial Roman Law and then have the Chairman Of The Board command them to commit suicide, but that isn't going to happen. Alternately, since the CIO majored in Russian. treat them like the GRU supposedly handled one traitor, dropping him into an oven while still alive, and making a movie for new recruits to watch, but again, unlikely even in modern Russia, unless Putin's personal info was leaked.

  57. Bullshit by thesupraman · · Score: 1

    There is no OMG to do with her gender (and why do you imply a vagina means that, sexist much? You can stage her physical gender must now easily than that you know, why teller to her sexual organs?)

    There is an OMG about her being at the top of the chain for required Equifax security, and having some possible holes in her background.

    Get that?
    This person is directly responsible for the largest personal information leave in history.
    And their credentials are being questioned.
    As they damn will should be.
    Because this is a screwup of monumental proportions.

    Stop trying to use her sexual organs as a defense.

  58. Personal experience with Equifax by shanen · · Score: 2

    At least a couple of the funny mods were slightly merited, but I'm pretty baffled by the "insightful" on this one. Something about the financial model of Slashdot? What's to say beyond "It's broken"? Maybe some deeper insightful suggestion on how to improve it?

    So after scanning all of the "funny" and "insightful" comments, I did another round of searches for relevance and eventually wound up back at your post for the "personal" embedded in "personally". As of now, it's the only match in the visible part of the largish discussion. Not impressive. Especially since I think you're wrong about the 'not "stuff that matters"' part of it. How would you know? Which leads to my personal involvement...

    I actually decided to take action on this fiasco. I decided to try to find out if Equifax has a file on me and if so, was my file leaked. If those questions get positive answers, then I might need to do something. Spent a long time searching, mostly on the Equifax website. Got NOTHING. It's almost like the Equifax people want to pretend there's no problem here.

    What's bugging me more and more about this abuse of personal information stuff is that I don't get to join in. Let's take the case of you, hrbmstr. Should I pay any attention to your comments? What is your reputation really like? Companies like Equifax have assembled comprehensive dossiers on you, but I can't even get a short summary for preemptive filtering. Hey, if a troll has no credit history at all, then why should I pretend the troll exists and why should my time be wasted?

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    1. Re:Personal experience with Equifax by shanen · · Score: 1

      So pursuing the matter a bit farther led to this link, which finally helped me get a provisional answer to the first question.

      http://fortune.com/2017/09/15/...

      Turns out I was looking at it from the "wrong" perspective, but with the hints from the article, I was able to figure out that clicking on "Enroll" button at https://www.equifaxsecurity201... will partly answer my first question. It doesn't actually say whether or not they have a dossier on me, but it does say that they, the wise and inscrutable people owned by the soulless monster Equifax, currently believe my personal information was not included in the big data breach and theft that they know about.

      Still don't trust Equifax enough to follow up on the rest of the scam, in spite of the recommendation from the Fortune link. First year's free, eh? How much trouble to make the bills go away next year?

      Should I rehash my fundamental principles of personal information protection? On Slashdot?

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    2. Re:Personal experience with Equifax by swillden · · Score: 1

      It doesn't actually say whether or not they have a dossier on me

      Have you ever gotten a loan in the United States? And by "loan" I mean any sort of credit whatsoever... car loan, credit card, non-prepaid mobile phone, rented an apartment, had an electric bill, etc. If so, Equifax has a dossier on you. Just to clear up the first part of the question.

      Should I rehash my fundamental principles of personal information protection? On Slashdot?

      If you like. But they're irrelevant in this case, because you don't directly get to decide when your personal information is sent to Equifax (or Experian or Trans Union, the other two credit agencies). The people who do credit checks on you and to whom you pay bills for various services, some of which are loans, are the ones who send it. With your approval, mind you. It's buried in the fine print, and never says "Equifax", just mentions credit bureaus or credit reporting agencies or some similar phrasing.

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    3. Re:Personal experience with Equifax by shanen · · Score: 1

      According to information on the Equifax website, which I trust not at all, my information should have been too old and should have been deleted. I am inclined to side with you and strongly presume they do have some information about me, but right now the strongest "claim" is that my information (if they have any) was not specifically included in the data that was stolen (which is also calling for a generous assumption that they fully understand the scope of their breach).

      Of course the problem is not limited to Equifax or even the credit reporting agencies. The underlying problem is ALL of the soulless inhuman corporations exploiting our little persons.

      Not certain if you were asking for this list, but in short form: (1) We should have control over our personal information, (2) Those parts of our personal information that have become public should be visible to ALL of the public (including ourselves). (3) I'd be willing to help pay for such privacy-improved systems.

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  59. Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    We hired the cheapest idiot that can at least say they have some kind of degree for the ejector seat.

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  60. I don't like the implication here by Clomer · · Score: 1

    I, myself, hold a music degree and am working my way up an IT career. While I am not currently qualified to be the Chief Security Officer of a major company, it is a distinct possibility that in the future I will be. I don't like how the article and at least some of the comments are blasting her just because of her educational background.

    Maybe she did something wrong in her position at Equifax. Maybe not. It's entirely possible that she was doing her job in the best way possible but was stonewalled by the business people out of properly implementing security. Either is possible. It's possible we'll find out as investigations are performed, but it's also possible that we'll never know. Her music degree has nothing to do with it.

    For what it's worth, many of the musicians I know are very intelligent people who have been successful in IT or other technical fields.

    (Honestly, I don't think I would want to be a Chief Security Officer. Even if you do your job perfectly, a breach is possible, and when it does happen you're the one to take the fall)

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    1. Re:I don't like the implication here by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I, myself, hold a music degree and am working my way up an IT career.

      Important distinction emphasised. Your CV - what of it you publish to places like LinkedIn, which is a separate question - will end up different from hers because you'll have a significant amount of security experience.

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  61. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I implemented fizzbuzz on a whiteboard! I'm a Senior Technologist!

  62. Affirmative Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I thought we were supposed to have more women tech executives...

    ...qualifications be damned!

  63. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...5-year web application developers...ask them whether a variable is actually stored on client or server side and they just look at you without any understanding at all."

    Bullshit.

  64. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Found the person who failed the CISSP!

    While certificates are certainly not everything, they are pretty much the only thing you can use to tell a con artist from a security researcher when you yourself don't know jack shit about it. There are different certifications that reflect different skill sets, and it's likely that someone with a security management certification won't necessarily be a good penetration tester, so checking what kind of certification someone has is crucial, security certifications are not all the same.

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  65. Alan Kay, professional musician by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironically, 4 stories earlier, slashdot mentions Alan Kay:

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/09/15/1645211/the-father-of-mobile-computing-is-not-impressed

    "Kay is also a former professional jazz guitarist, composer, and theatrical designer, and an amateur classical pipe organist." - Wikipedia

  66. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mom is an infinite recursion.

  67. Singing for her supper by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Yes nothing says she (or anyone with a liberal arts degree) can't be a good security officer.

    It's not impossible but it is implausible, especially for a major company where security is essential to the core business and her degree is not in any technical/scientific field at all. Besides, there is now ample evidence that she is an utterly incompetent security officer: 10 weeks to identify the breach, 6 weeks to notify, sequential PIN numbers, UK data exported to the US (which is probably illegal) due to an error etc. plus of course the breach itself.

    Still when Equifax collapses and she gets fired at least she will be able to sing for her supper.

    1. Re:Singing for her supper by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      It's not implausible at all. Music can mean using technology and being ANAL. I know a number of musicians who would do a great job in this field.

      But clearly, she did not.

      That said, I doubt very much that she'll have trouble finding another job. Probably in security. The suit-set knows how to spin. After all, her resume will say she "oversaw the security overhaul of a major financial firm after the largest data leak in history."

    2. Re:Singing for her supper by Cederic · · Score: 1

      her degree is not in any technical/scientific field at all

      Which fucking part of her job was technical or scientific?

      She's a manager. She does people, process, evangelism and hires people to do the techie shit.

      She may have technical skills too, but that's not the fucking job, so her degree's level of technology is entirely fucking irrelevant.

    3. Re:Singing for her supper by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Which fucking part of her job was technical or scientific? She's a manager.

      Yes, a manager of people working in a highly technical and complex profession. As Equifax has just clearly demonstrated putting someone who has no clue about the job in a position of authority over those who do it is a recipe for disaster. How is someone like that going to ask the tough questions, spot mistakes that have been made, judge when something is really important and needs addressing vs. just sounds bad, select the best course of action to take when presented with choices, make judgements about which of her staff are competent etc.?

    4. Re:Singing for her supper by Cederic · · Score: 1

      someone who has no clue about the job

      Really? No clue at all? I find that very unlikely. I also don't see any fucking evidence.

      How is someone like that going to ask the tough questions, spot mistakes that have been made, judge when something is really important and needs addressing vs. just sounds bad, select the best course of action to take when presented with choices, make judgements about which of her staff are competent etc.?

      Based on the average infosec person I encounter, a fuck of a lot better than they could.

      The same way that anybody would do these things. Domain knowledge and technical skill are not the same thing. Leadership and management are a fucking mile away still.

      Perhaps you should learn some of this shit before trying to judge whether other people have the skill needed to do their job.

    5. Re:Singing for her supper by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Really? No clue at all? I find that very unlikely. I also don't see any fucking evidence.

      Really? No evidence? They did not notice the breach for 10 weeks, it was caused by bug that had a patch released for it months beforehand, it took them 6 weeks to notify people about the breach, their website in response to the breach was an utter joke, they exposed data from the UK that was not even supposed to be in the US, their web portal's username/password combination was admin/admin. How much worse does it have to get to prove she had no clue how to do her job?

    6. Re:Singing for her supper by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Her job was not to monitor the fucking website to spot a breach.

      You don't know the constraints under which she was working, whether she'd been demanding since March for this to be fixed, the budget available to her team or the other priorities they had to address.

      Stop thinking this is such a simplistic trivial exercise.

      She may have been shit at her job, I don't know. I also know that you don't fucking know, so stop throwing around baseless accusations.

  68. Susan Mauldin Has Quit by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    There is now an updated story that says Chief Security Officer Susan Mauldin has quit (retired from) her position.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/2-top-equifax-execs-retire-in-wake-of-massive-data-breach-2017-09-15

  69. But computers and IT make sense, why take classes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello,

          I took relatively little computer science, even though I program a great deal. See, computers and computer science are largely human creations. Computers and programming languages are *engineered*. *Designed by people*. Designed to make sense. Very different from chemistry, biology, physics or math, where you have to understand the truths that exist, not something that's been designed to make sense.

        This being the case, I've always found it easy to just pick up a book and learn technology or programming languages. The hard bits of computer science, for me, were the mathematical bits, and for those I took the classes.

        From my perspective, an intelligent person can self-train on programming and computer science pretty effectively.

        So I can believe that someone who was educated otherwise can self-educated into an effective "computer technologist".

  70. My guess on Equifax by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    For the record I've worked for some really excellent women managers in my IT career, but hands down the 2 worst managers I've ever worked for were both women and one of them was moved into management by the company because it had no female managers in any IT office and somehow she got the break of a lifetime and got picked out of the ranks and trained for management simply to show that women could make it. Her lack of solid IT experience eventually became too big a problem to ignore and she was given a golden parachute to leave and is no longer in the industry. I sure wouldn't rule out a very similar thing going on with Equifax here.

    But even more, I strongly suspect it's going to come out that Equifax has outsourced its IT to India and probably only has minimal US based IT staff, the vast majority of whom will be on H1-B visas. That doesn't in and of itself mean that they're incompetent, but I've seen this kind of thing before. What happens is that the company outsources or essentially only hires H1-Bs because it doesn't respect the job and while the workers end up being competent, they do only what they are told and no more. So they don't keep up with security patches because nobody told them to do that and they're too overworked to have spare time to look into it. And it could also be that Equifax's management insists that they can't have any downtime at all - ever. It's not common, but I've seen companies insist that they can't ever have any downtime so they don't ever patch anything.

  71. Thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:23PM
    I saw her full bio before they took it down. NOTHING in her professional education, IT development courses etc, qualified her for that position. She was an affirmative action hire period. As a result of her leadership failure, our entire credit system is on the brink of collapse.

    Thank you feminist.

  72. you'll get there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you suck and fuck your way to the top...

  73. tell me again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how white privilege and nepotism is alien to Tech's meritocratic utopia in USA

  74. Re: msmash should be fired for promoting stereotyp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a common stereotype that music majors that have not had formal training in network security are not fit to administer network security.

  75. Re: msmash should be fired for promoting stereoty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I identify as cyber security expert. Why can't that be enough?

  76. Re: Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea. I don't buy it either.

  77. If my experience is anything by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    I know one place I worked, and infosec vendor - one client was a regional bank in the mid Atlantic region. The banks infosec guy didn't know boolean logic.

    Then one place I'd worked - when I left the guy who was there before me came back. This is after he went to work as an infosec guy for a local bank. He calls me one days and asks what a piece of hardware is, and then proves he doesn't know jack about the IPv4 dot notation limits of 255.

    Doesn't inspire great confidence.

  78. IT is an essential service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Credit reporting is an essential service made possible with IT infrastructure. IT infrastructure is like roads and bridges and buildings, we depend on it; we depend on the credit system. The question is: "what qualifies a person to be in control of infrastructure that we depend on?" In other critical technologies, e.g. airplanes, liability attaches to those in control and when failure occurs. There are two problems here: 1) liability needs to attach to Equifax and its officers and 2) we need to provide for professional licensing in IT security. The root cause was Equifax's failure to employ timely patches to their computer system, a practice well-known and commonly practiced. Equifax should not be allowed liability protection on the consequences arising from their gross negligence. Otherwise, innocent people will bear the consequences of the negligence of unanswerable corporate officers.

  79. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Your name wouldn't be Susan Mauldin, would it?

  80. Execs either didn't have a clue or didn't give a f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked at Equifax as a security analyst on a 6 month contract. Their security was a joke. They has thousands of security vulnerabilities and systems that were unpatched for years. They had regular PCI audits and I was shocked they even passed! When I asked how they could possibly pass the audit with the myriad of vulnerabilities and security holes that were present in the environment a manager remarked "we show the auditors what we want them to see". There was a culture of sticking your head in the sand and hoping it woul all go away, rather than doing the hard work to fix the problems. The staff-level people seemed afraid to report the bad news up the food chain and if they did there were ramifications. I knew it would be a matter of time before they got hacked. Shortly thereafter a breach occurred during my tenure that affected Kroger employees. They had another breach last year due to weak security. Hence my subject line.

  81. Because MUSICIANS MAKE THE BEST PROGRAMMERS!!!!111 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or so I keep hearing. And I'll sometimes retort, "No, programmers make the best musicians."

  82. Security Expert Speaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boardrooms don't want to deal with geeks, and that the C-suite loves more than anything are achieving status as a company! In terms of security this means becoming PCI certified, ISO 2700X certified, or HITRUST certified. They don't care about security until there's a breach!!! Even they don't want to put someone in charge they have an MBA and have executive presence. It will always be that be way and it is extremely rare to find an executive who is geeky technical but also business savvy...

  83. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the late 1990's unemployment was so low, it was actually TOO low. It was possible to walk into a fast food restaurant and get actively ignored by the employees, with the manager seeing what was happening but being unable to fire them.

    During that time, I was a part owner of an IT consulting firm. Seriously, we were hiring HR people, credit clerks, salespeople, customer service reps, and graphic designers all TO WRITE SQL and use Crystal Reports, and paying them $70K+ to start.

    These people were almost useless. But they were all we could get.

  84. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Fascinating. No, I did a CISSP and 5 days preparation (not full time, more like 50%). Finished the exam in 2h and passed (would not have wasted time on a 2nd try). I do _not_ list it on my CV, because a CISSP does not even remotely make you a security expert. It is far, far too shallow for that. Somebody that lists a CISSP as security qualification is somebody to be wary of.

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  85. Re:Only occupation with too many by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Well, fizzbuzz gives you a rating of "not fully incompetent", but nothing more.

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  86. Well, that was explains... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... why the company's response to the incident was such a song and dance.

  87. Code written by those without formal CS training. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started programming in 1968 (recently retired). I have a formal education in CS (all the way to a Ph.D. -- from a real non-correspondence school). I've seen legacy code that has been written by folks that were not formally trained. More than once I've had the opportunity to refactor 1000's LOC down to 10's LOC -- the original author was surprised to learn about loops. SMILE ON.

    I prefer to work with fellow engineers who have had some formal CS or SE training. The resulting code IMHO generally has much lower lifecycle costs and safer. Most of the software that I've worked on was life-critical, like implantable medical devices, flight control computers, etc.

  88. Re:Only occupation with too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the abysmally bad state that most current software is in is due to the abysmally bad skills of most coders

    Is there any evidence whatsoever that formal education would improve that situation?

  89. Bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without further info, I'll. bet:
    1) She is good looking and
    2) Good in bed.
    Any takers?

  90. Re:Having a degree in a different field isn't wron by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Like I said, it depends on what he is applying for. As a penetration tester? Probably not the most valuable certificate he could have (there's plenty of good material from SANS for that venue). As a CISO? Probably more suitable.

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  91. Curious about the liability of banks, car dealers by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 1

    So, I'm curious about the liability of banks, car dealers, collection agencies etc. These companies pass our information to the credit bureaus without our direct permission on a monthly basis. As we are all aware, the information is quite often incorrect and it's up to us to protest. Don't they all have a responsibility to ensure that our data is properly secured? I know lots of people who work at banks that work their tails off to keep things secure. So just throwing the information at the credit bureaus without ensuring that they are secure after all of that work seems insane. It's appears to be the abyss. Additionally, If there is a law in place stating that these banks, car dealers etc. must report this monthly, I'll argue that congress is directly responsible for not supplementing the law with proper controls that carry heavy fines for non compliance. Not just for patching but for the entire network, right down to the routers switches and cables. We all have to have a conversation on what exactly is private vs public too . Drivers Licenses and DOB are no brainers, but what else? I ask because, this information sharing has gotten way out of hand.

  92. Pointy Haired Boss by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    I see what you're saying. She just doesn't pass the sniff test. I have to admit I'm wrong about people from time to time but by my sniff test she's the pointy haired boss from dilbert.

    I'd have this opinion of her if she were a man and heck maybe it's wrong. But she was CSO during probably the worst private sector infosec disaster of the year, she 'retired' and for some reason has made some attempt to obscure her past but didn't bother simply making her entire account private? Why would someone go to all the trouble of contacting all the media she's interviewed with in the past to get her stuff taken down?

    Despite these efforts.. half-locking down her linkedin.. scrubbing of old interviews and lectures from the net.... it's not hard to find her work history and it's a long list of stuffy compliance gigs. Why is she so bad at using the internet?

        I'm not buying that she's so cutting edge that school doesn't work. I'm not buying the argument that she only needs to know how to lead. She smells like the sort of auditing and compliance drones that have been failing to secure computers since the dawn of the rainbow books. Which sounds about right for a credit reporting agency.