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Tesla Badly Misses Model 3 Production Goals (wsj.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Wall Street Journal (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Tesla badly missed its goal of building 1,500 Model 3 cars in the third quarter, the first sign that the production ramp-up for the new sedan isn't going as smoothly as planned. The Silicon Valley electric-car maker built 260 of the Model 3s between July and September, the company said Monday in a statement. In August, the auto maker predicted it would build more than 1,500 Model 3s before cranking up production to 5,000 a week by the end of the fourth quarter. Tesla blamed "production bottlenecks" for the weaker production. "It is important to emphasize that there are no fundamental issues with the Model 3 production or supply chain," Tesla said in a statement. "We understand what needs to be fixed and we are confident of addressing the manufacturing bottleneck issues in the near-term."
Can someone explain to me why missing predicted goals - by even as much as 50% - is such a big issue with investors?
Any time Tesla comes out slightly lower than "predicted results" the market analysts go haywire, it's all "doom and gloom! We warned you about Tesla! It's a baaaaaad investment!".
There are people who, with a straight face, talk about Tesla being fraudulent, being 3-months away from insolvent, or being super hyper over inflated in some way. "Look at Tesla's capitalization, and compare it to Ford's!!! There's *no way* Tesla will ever be as big as Ford!"
And Musk is a con man, Tesla only survives because of federal grants and will go under once those grants are revoked, Tesla sells cars at a loss, chewing through investor money...
WTF?
Is there a *rational* explanation for all this bugaboo reporting?
If you ask them about the delay, Elon might cancel your order.
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Bottlenecks in a production line are extremely difficult to address. There's been tons of excellent books about it (such as The Goal) but it remains a major issue in companies with a normal growth so it's not surprising to see Tesla struggling with that given their insane expansion pace.
I spent years in the manufacturing world and countless times I've seen stuff like HR authorizing crazy overtime in the weeks following a layoff or plant managers scrambling to rent containers to store surplus of a part that was backorder the week before. You got JIT? Next thing you know Texas is blown away and gas prices skyrocket, making parts more expensive to get delivered. You decide to build up inventory? Real estate prices go up and you end up paying top dollar for low quality warehouses.
Supply chain, project management and interest rates: all examples of things that are too complex for the human mind to fully comprehend.
lucm, indeed.
The SpaceX accomplishments have already legitimized him, sorry. No one cares if his car business is slow to roll out new models.
"Musk can't build a rocket"
Later... "Okay but he can't build a cheap rocket"
Later... "Okay but he can't make them reusable"
Later... "Okay but he needs the military and they'll never use him"
etc etc
"Electric cars will never work"
Later... "Okay but they'll never have the performance of petrol cars"
Later... "Okay but car manufacturers will never embrace them"
Later... "Okay but Musk isn't a car manufacturer"
Later... "Okay but they'll never have a range of more than 100 km"
Later... "Okay but there's no practical way to charge them quickly enough"
Later... "Okay but they'll never be able to mass-produce them"
etc etc
Take a look at Boeings woes with the 787 production, or Airbuses with the A380 - highly trained, experienced workforces on both sides, but significant production issues in both cases.
In the case of the A380, the production models suffered from issues that weren't apparent in CADCAM phases, and in the case of the 787 it was a company fuck up top to bottom (when your fastener supplier says "12 months lead time" 18 months before you need them, you don't leave your order for another 15 months and expect them to deliver in 3...)
Even established companies with serious experience behind them can have issues with a new products ramp up - Tesla isn't unique.
Tesla is basically trying to compress +100 years of automobile development, infrastructure, manufacturing, and marketing within the span of about a few years, all while trying to rewrite the book. They have no where near the number of facilities(companies like Ford have 100s of acres of facilities dedicated solely for testing out transmissions, gearboxes, etc. To say nothing of their factories) or dealerships(there's like only 1 within 50 miles of where I live). They're also hemorrhaging money due to said breakneck expansion.
They do have an excellent PR however that's been able to convince enough investors(or donors, depending on your perspective) to keep dropping money on the company despite plenty of reports noting that they aren't really do very well.
That said, you could argue that Tesla has achieved it's goal of convincing people to want EVs, and other companies to start developing their own. I doubt Tesla will ever really break out of its status as a small time car company though, and it's overvalued stock may come to bite investors in the ass.
Can you point me to some articles about these? I haven't heard the 787 fastener story before, and have only hand-wavey explanations about the A380 delays (somehow they could successfully wire up the test flight planes but took about 2 years to figure out how to wire the rest of them.)
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Slashdot users usually prefer to insist that a new thing is completely impossible and cannot be done until the thing is commoditized and ubiquitous, at which point they roll their eyes and declare it old news.
Your rocket is too small.
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Your best bet is to hit the Airliners.net or Pprune forum archives, lots of back story there.
The A380 issues were due to a mismatch between design software versions, resulting in wiring looms being the wrong size - the first few airframes built for development are always basically hand built with tonnes of design changes, but the production issues didn't become apparent until customer cabins were being installed as that meant a huge increase in wiring that needed to be installed. And that wiring simply didn't fit.
The 787 was pushed for a PR rollout on the 8th of July, 2007 - or 7/8/7 in US format. If you look at the photos taken at the time, the aircraft was a shell, despite it supposedly taking to the air later that year (you could see down the length of the cabin through the cockpit windows - there was *nothing* in there). The shell was also put together using fasteners from your local DIY store, not aviation grade ones - they all had to be removed and replaced prior to flight.
Then there was the aviation grade fasteners that were wrongly installed - this resulted in cracking, which had to be repaired, and those fasteners replaced.
And then the "side of body" issue, where the wing connection to the fuselage wasn't strong enough and had to be strengthened.
And the fire on the first aircraft which resulted in damage (specifically a hole in the fuselage).
And the fuselage barrels being delivered from suppliers which were misshapen and had to be reworked.
Boeing changed both the production method *and* technologies involved - moving from a "everything built in the factory on one location" to "fuselage barrels built in separate locations around the world, prestuffed with wiring and cabin outfittings, and simply joined by Boeing on an integration line", as well as moving from a normal aluminium based technology to a CFRP one. Boeing ended up having to buy most of the third party suppliers they had farmed work packages out to.
See this article from Flightblogger at the time detailing some of the issues - Flightblogger went on to be a journalist at Flight Global.
http://flightblogger.blogspot....
Diverted resources to Australia batteries? Though if bottlenecks unrelated to batteries then the Australia project might help use some idle capacity .
Wow, you surely showed that strawman what's what.
"Musk can't build a rocket" Later... "Okay but he can't build a cheap rocket" Later... "Okay but he can't make them reusable" Later... "Okay but he needs the military and they'll never use him" etc etc
"Electric cars will never work" Later... "Okay but they'll never have the performance of petrol cars" Later... "Okay but car manufacturers will never embrace them" Later... "Okay but Musk isn't a car manufacturer" Later... "Okay but they'll never have a range of more than 100 km" Later... "Okay but there's no practical way to charge them quickly enough" Later... "Okay but they'll never be able to mass-produce them" etc etc
"Tesla won't reach their target"
Later... "Tesla hasn't reached their target"
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Later... "Tesla hasn't reached their target"
Later... "Tesla STILL hasn't reached their target"
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I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Take long breaks? Be excellent only at PR and have no clue how to bolt stuff together? Intentionally reducing production because product doesn't sell at that ridiculously high price? Building a product that isn't drastically different than the electric cars from 100 years ago?
They did actually all of those targets in the past, just never on time. It's more like:
"Tesla reached their target several years too late"
Later... "Tesla reached their (other) target about a year too late"
Later... "Tesla reached their (other) target a month too late"
Even though they are now 80% below expectations in September, that simply corresponds to the expected output in August. I would say they're getting better.
In what world do you live in?
Tesla was late with the Roadster and had a slow rampup. (*Cue the doomsayers!*) .... then they ramped up and hit their production target, and everyone who ordered a Roadster got one.
Tesla was late with the Model S and had a somewhat slow rampup. (*Cue the doomsayers!*) .... then they ramped up and hit their production target, and everyone who ordered a Model S got one (and continues to).
Tesla was late with the Model X and had a very slow rampup. (*Cue the doomsayers!*) .... then they ramped up and hit their production target, and everyone who ordered a Model X got one (and continues to).
Tesla was moved the Model 3 launch date up significantly, and actually launched on time, but at present is one month late with the rampup. (*Cue the doomsayers!*)
This is pretty insignificant, for a number of reasons, and is the reason why TSLA isn't plunging today (as of time of writing, the pre-market has it down less than 2%, and I bet it'll close similar to or higher than it started, because there's a lot of bulls looking to buy on weakness). Mainly, though, everyone already knew this. Anyone who cares, at least. The vin number count has been low this past month. Articles had already discussed first a problem with welds that they had to go back and correct, and then later a problem with grounding bolts that they had to go back and correct. Normal production ramp stuff. The Q3 report mentions a couple parts in limiting supply as well, which again, while news, is normal production ramp stuff. Meanwhile, every other part will continue its rampup while the whips are cracked on that which are in short supply.
With most companies, there's not much public attention on rampup issues on new vehicle architectures; only investors generally care about it. Most companies also don't begin sales until rampup is already well underway. But obviously, Tesla is a different story. Overall, unless there's a serious design flaw or other issue with the parts that are in short supply or their production lines that mean it'll take many months to catch up, there's not much to this. For most people waiting for a Model 3, how many lines Tesla ultimately decides to open matters a lot more than how long it takes them to get the first line running right. Also, they're just making one specific configuration right now (LR, with PUP, without dual motor/air suspension). The rate at which the other configurations mature and their config-specific parts go into production also constrains most customers a lot more than this.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
Marked funny, but so, so true.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
Except half a million waiting for a car with a 1 1/2 year waiting list - except for that, there's clearly no demand.
(Cue the "lots of people cancelled all at once" myth in 3, 2, 1....)
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
They build everything by hand and they refuse to employ industry standard mass manufacturing techniques because Not Invented Here.
Climate change will ensure the tropical part anyway
Good account, however IIRC the "side-of-body" join was too strong (too stiff) and had to be weakened to prevent stress from propagating where it should not have.
Lots of people have already replied, but anyhow...
Nobody should be surprised by this. Elon Musk's deadlines are grossly optimistic. However he does tend to meet his goals, just a lot later than planned. This isn't such an issue when it comes for 70 million dollar rocket - it's almost expected, but he's going to have to more careful when dealing with consumers.
Yeah, but that's an aeroplane. Cars are much easier... /s
vin number count
I don't think you could have come up with a more painful phrase if you tried.
Alas, you need to make all that activity sustainable and profitable to have any future. Musk has burned through absolutely eye watering and unprecedented amounts of cash, but that's about it. His exceptionally creative accountancy doesn't inspire confidence either.
The reusable boosters are still experimental at best. Yes, they did manage to reuse a couple of them once before retiring them. I'm still not convinced.
It's also not clear the Tesla will succeed as a car manufacturer. GM is beating them on every front.
However he does tend to meet his goals, just a lot later than planned.
"A lot later" is the definition of 'not meeting goals.'
I wish this weren't actually the case. 20 years ago it wasn't the case, not sure when everyone became old curmudgeons.
Cue the "let's wait for first delivery before we see whether the people who made refundable $1000 deposits start asking for their refund."
It's almost as if there's some money being paid to write slam articles about certain companies who are either disruptive or successful, who are not also paying those same sources to write glowing fluff pieces. If we called it protection money...it would sound like the mafia. So let's call it marketing money. These companies don't need to pay the marketing money because their products sell themselves, so instead we write trash pieces.
Tesla makes excellent cars. All the rest of this is just stupid. If you paid your money for a pre-order, you probably knew that delivery was TBD if you were paying any attention at all.
How did you miss the fact that there have been deliveries going on for months? Did you not even read the headline, let alone the summary, let alone the article?
People with vehicles are already taking and posting videos, chatting on the Tesla forums, etc. And the general reaction is, although there's some features yet to come on the touchscreen (thank you, over-the-air updates!), the car is amazing. One person, when asked whether it was fun to drive, simply posted a picture of black sticky stuff splattered across their wheel wells with words along the lines of "That's not road tar ;)" and "I'll be lucky if these tires last 2000 miles"
The first delivery was 30 vehicles. The next month was supposed to be 100, then 300, then 1500. However, they're only up to around 250-ish, by the vin count. More and more people on the forums however, keep getting notified of their delivery dates, so it's exciting to watch :)
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
If you're going to be pedantic so will I. It depends on how the goal was defined. If I say "I'll do X, and I'll do within Y years", but end up managing to do X after Y+5 years, I've still met the goal of doing X.
Sorry, I was writing that while having some naan bread, rice pilaf and chai tea after a stop at the atm machine, and the LCD display was too dim for me to notice my erroneous mistake.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
Slashdot users usually prefer to insist that a new thing is completely impossible and cannot be done until the thing is commoditized and ubiquitous, at which point they roll their eyes and declare it old news.
And then ignore it because real people, rather than Linux fanboys, use it.
Am I still going to retire on Mars?
You're certainly welcome to. I'm sticking with tropical paradise, right here...
Your generation will have tropical retirement wherever they want because my generation couldn't abide anything nuclear.
Heck, most people's delivery dates are a three-month window. Mine (Europe) is very nonspecific "late 2018" ;) It actually got moved forward from "early 2019" ;)
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
> GM is beating them on every front.
You must have a strange definition of both "every" and "front".
The Bolt is a weird looking (IMHO) econobox that sells for $37000. The Tesla 3 is a stunning (IMHO) mid-range sedan that sells for $35000. The 3 has a larger interior, longer wheelbase, while having *slightly* less cargo space. The 3 eats the Bolt in performance terms, has all the hardware needed for autonomous driving, has a more high-tech interior, is much easier to buy, charges much faster and has a wider selection of stations. It comes in a model with greatly extended range. And if the production ramps *even a little*, will outproduce the Bolt by multiples.
So yeah, "every front" seems a bit strange.
Plain and simple.
Will $CURRENT_YEAR be the year of the Linux Desktop?
The difference now is that Tesla is trying something an order of magnitude bigger than they've ever done before - and they weren't very successful the previous attempts. And they are quickly burning their cash reserves in doing so. It's going to be a race to see if Tesla can get production ramped up before they need to sell a ton more bonds, massively dilute their shares - or go bankrupt.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
The 3 might actually be my next car, since the Chevy Volt (2013) cost me $12,000 and the only other option for a nice upgrade is a Bolt or a 2017 Chevy Volt. The single advantage the Volt has over the 3 is its horrible value-holding, meaning I can get a 2017 in 2019 or so for maybe $15k in near-new condition.
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So it may be fun to drive, but it sounds like it's still not the every-day vehicle they were pitching it to be. Very few people want their tires to wear out at 2000 miles because the car has so much torque. Maybe they should have some kind of torque control so that you don't prematurely wear out the tires. This goes along with other reviews I've seen on the Model S, where the basic advice is to always get the all wheel drive model if you live anywhere there is snow, because if you not, it's going to be sliding all over the place. There is simply too much torque. While that may make it fun to drive under certain conditions, it makes it a pain as an every day driver.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Mass production is hard, but it isn't impossible. He isn't running into any laws of physics, or needing a scientific breakthrough, that is 5 years out. It is just optimizing your process. Companies like GM, Ford and Toyota, have been doing this for generations, so they have the process rather down packed. New Car Companies, need to learn such lessons and revamp. An electric motor is generally much simpler then an internal combustion engine, It is just about getting the grove in place.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
so they have the process rather down packed
Just an aside, the phrase is down pat .
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Your point is that Musk doesn't give up on the first try, and does achieve stated goals. OK.
If you like both the tropics and space, may I suggest Venus? ;)
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
Nobody makes you burn out your tires. You don't have to drive with the pedal to the floor.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
In our esteemed Slashdot colleague's homeland, orchards are an important part of the economy and relieve stress by making a healthy snack always at hand. Yes, you indeed had better get your grove in place, and you want the soil down packed (but not too much) so the roots for the newly planted trees can get established.
This is a tree analogy to a car, but Elon Musk had better heed that lesson.
much like creimer's mobility scooter, these goalposts have wheels.
Was thinking the same thing. Dose Slashdot have a different user base or is this the same group turned old and grumpy?
Computers got better and we have 3D printers now? Isn't this the post-Luddite post-scarcity 3D printed virtual AI space future I was promised?
Am I still going to retire on Mars?
By any even halfway honest math most people won't retire at all. The Ponzi schemes of social security and government pensions will start to seriously hit the fan in the next few years.
I haven't used one but having only one indicator for the driver that's just a giant touch screen in the middle of the dashboard looks like a pain in the ass in usability
> In what world do you live in?
The world with a bunch of idiots who are always wrong. According to the naysayers, Apple should have closed down in the 90s and "refunded the shareholders", Nintendo should have given up hardware and become like Sega after the N64 - then after the Gamecube and again after the Wii U, and Marvel in the 90s should have folded and allowed their catalog to be bought by DC.
I think it's mostly a new user base, and the scales tipped enough that many of the old user base either left, or just stopped commenting.
I think the biggest concern with all these stories about being late and having trouble ramping production is that they consume lots of capital and put profitability further out of reach.
Equity markets love TSLA right now but will not give them endless sips of new capital.
...but planning is indispensable."--Dwight Eisenhower
Obsessing over hitting arbitrary timeline goals is pointless. If Tesla hadn't produced squat, that would be a problem. If they're behind schedule, meh, welcome to the real world.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
Or, more politely than the AC:
The Model 3 has 2x dual-axis+click assignable steering wheel controls, designed so that for most tasks you never need to even take your hands off the wheel. As for the screen itself, first off, it responds to whatever you do at the wheel. To pick an example, while Model 3 has rain-sensing windshield wipers, if you flick the stalk for a single manual wipe, the wiper config options come up on the display. As for interaction with the display itself, the reason it's out on a stalk is to make it right in your peripheral view, and without any reaching required to interact. Your line of sight never has any need to go anywhere below "dashboard height", nor do your hands ever have to go more than slightly away from the wheel. The sheer size of the display means that all buttons on the screen are very large (don't need accurate presses, your finger can be way off without problems) and easily recognized in your peripheral view. More to the point, "common interactions" are on the left-hand side of the screen, making them even closer to your fingers and even more in your line of sight, with the upper left corner being the "prime real estate". The right hand side is used more for things like the nav and such. At the bottom are "always on" icons for various common features. Beyond the steering wheel controls and the screen, there's also voice commands.
Or, you can just believe that they never thought to try the vehicle out for usability.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
True. All the acceleration and braking and potholes in the air make it hard to design planes that even last 10 years.
We bailed out the UAW pension fund. Read up on the details.
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I worked in an auto plant that was supposed to build 1000 cars per day.
When I started, they were running 1 shift, hoping to get to 500 cars per day, but were building about 300-350. They added the second shift, and with training and all, barely got about 500 cars per day. After about 9 months, the management said we will try our best for one day, really pushing things. That one day the plant built 700 cars. After that, the plant was building 600-650 consistently, with a few days around 700. After that they added an extra hour to each shift (9 hours) and were able to build about 700-750 consistently every day. After about 2 years the plant was building about 750-800 every day.
This was in the early 90's and we could sell every car produced. The company had to put quotas on dealers and they would sell cars above retail price, making customers unhappy.
Troubles included Just In Time parts delivery being late, and line workers wasting materials (they dropped a plastic clip, and rather than picking it up, use another one, but the JIT predictor didn't account for that much waste, and we were short parts). There were silly troubles too, like it couldn't read the body number out of the paint shop sometimes, so the line wasn't sure what car just came out.
Later... "Tesla hasn't reached their target" ...
Except they keep setting their target higher and higher. At no point has Musk ever left the goalpost in the same spot once they were near it.
Go look at his 10-year plan from 10 years ago. It reads something like: invest money to build a small number of EVs aimed at wealthy/collector types; invest money from those sales to build a significantly larger number of high end EV and sell that to well off people; invest money from THOSE sales to build a mass-production, moderately priced sedan and sell LOTS of those...which he is on the cusp of doing.
Are his target dates aggressive? extremely. Does he miss them? Often. Is it all hidden behind walls of secrecy? never. It's all out in the open for anyone to see. If you don't believe in it, no worries. Plenty of other people are - quite literally - lined up to buy what he's selling or the stock in the companies that make it all.
Remind me again how often the US Government, military, large business contractors, NASA, etc. deliver on time for most of what they do?
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Alas, you need to make all that activity sustainable and profitable to have any future. Musk has burned through absolutely eye watering and unprecedented amounts of cash, but that's about it. His exceptionally creative accountancy doesn't inspire confidence either.
You're kidding, right?
Musk has done what literally no one has ever done before (build a functional and profitable private space launch aka rocket ship company from scratch using private funds) and what hasn't been done in at least 50 years (start a new, functional car company).
And you can throw in the other minor things he's done around solar, power vault, superchargers as well as upcoming tech like hyperloop, advanced tunnel boring, and so on.
He is exceptionally accountable but in very much the opposite way you claim. Someone who is literally doing with private funds and for-profit what NASA could not do with $billions in 'free' government funding and decades of time without any expectation or requirement of profit...instills a HUGE amount of confidence. Get over it. Or don't I guess...but once you're proven wrong here you'll pick the next 'can't do it' thing to point out until that too is done.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
TSLA isn't plunging today (as of time of writing, the pre-market has it down less than 2%, and I bet it'll close similar to or higher than it started, because there's a lot of bulls looking to buy on weakness).
Good call. With less than an hour to the closing bell, not only is TSLA higher than it's starting price as you predicted, it's 1.5% higher than yesterday's closing.
The reusable boosters are still experimental at best. Yes, they did manage to reuse a couple of them once before retiring them. I'm still not convinced.
It's also not clear the Tesla will succeed as a car manufacturer. GM is beating them on every front.
So they're experimental "at best" yet you freely admit they're actively using them. That directly counters your claim. Frankly, no one cares if you're convinced. The fact of the matter is SpaceX is actively, successfully launching re-usable rockets when no one else is or has before. (I don't count the space shuttle as it was essentially rebuilt between every launch)
It's not clear that Tesla will succeed any more than it's clear GM will succeed. Hell, one of them has been nearly out of business on more than one occasion and had to take huge subsidized loans to avoid going belly up while still cutting several of their brands to save costs. One of the two has proven itself continuously innovative over the last decade and continues to grow at an astonishing rate.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
No, it sounds like you need to read up on the details.
The US government bailed out both GM and Chrysler.
We gave over $60 billion to the car companies themselves, and that number goes over $80 billion if you include the assistance to their financial subsidiaries.
If you doubt me, go straight to the source at: https://www.treasury.gov/initi...
If you doubt the Treasury, you can send them a FOIA request.
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I never play the stock market myself (beyond general retirement funds) because I don't have a "gambling" bone in my body.... but I swear, TSLA has been so easy to call through most of its history.
"If there was an antonym to 'Elon Musk', it would be 'Richard Branson'."
It's almost as if there's some money being paid to write slam articles about certain companies who are either disruptive or successful,
It's a pattern I've noticed about pretty much anything these days. Even in here you'll always come across a deliberately inflammatory post trying to derail the conversation, and it's almost always an AC. When you read enough of them you start to form the opinion that it's not just random trolling, but a coordinated response done by design to divide and disrupt.
There's only two possibilities for such co-ordination, corporate or government. I think it's time the AC and verification of identities is improved to prevent such activity.
Except you can't actually buy a Tesla Model 3 because they haven't figured out how to make more than three of them a day.
He hasn't built a functional car company yet, in the sense that it is not profitable. Plenty of people have built car companies in the last 50 years that were not profitable.
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The Tesla 3 looks like an econobox to me.
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