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Is the Chromebook the New Android Tablet? (computerworld.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report from Computerworld, where JR Raphael makes the case for why it's time to call the Chromebook the new Android tablet: What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't? No matter how long you mull, it's tough to come up with much. Nowadays, a Chromebook runs the same apps from the same Google Play Store. It has an increasingly similar user interface, with a new touch-friendly and Android-reminiscent app launcher rolling out as we speak. It's likely to have an Android-like way of getting around the system before long, too, not to mention native integration of the Google Assistant (which is launching with the newly announced Pixelbook and then presumably spreading to other devices from there). But on top of all of that, a Chromebook offers meaningful advantages a traditional Android tablet simply can't match. It operates within the fast-booting, inherently secure, and free from manufacturer- or carrier-meddling Chrome OS environment. The operating system is updated every two to three weeks, directly by Google, for a minimum of five years. That's a sharp contrast to the software realities we see on Android -- and if you think the updates on Android phones are bad, let me tell you: The situation with Android tablets is worse.

In addition to the regular selection of Android apps, a Chromebook also gives you a desktop-caliber browser experience along with a laptop-level keyboard and capable trackpad. (And, as a side perk, that means you've got a built-in multi-mode stand for your tablet, too.) It's the best of both worlds, as I've put it before -- a whole new kind of platform-defying, all-purpose productivity and entertainment machine. And while it won't immediately lead to the outright extinction of traditional Android tablets, it certainly makes them seem like a watered-down and obsolete version of the same basic experience.

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  1. Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't?

    It does not run ARM android apps natively.

    Intel still does not compete on power/performance with ARM.

    If you like a hot tablet with relatively low battery life, pixelbook is for you.

    What about the opposite question. Why do you want a Chromebook?

    1. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      What about the opposite question. Why do you want a Chromebook?

      exactly, a better question is does Chromebook serve any real purpose anymore when a good Android device can do everything it can do and more. I don't like Android much, I more endure it, but compared to a chromebook it is awesome.

    2. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Acer and Lenovo both make ARM powered Chromebooks.
      There's probably others too.

    3. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The fact that the inmates don't run the asylum when it comes to updates on the ChromeOS side is kind of refreshing. Compared to Android, support periods are relatively long and basically identical across vendors(so is the OS itself, given the lack of vendor shitware). Plus, despite being much more tightly standardized and controlled, the option to kick a device into dev mode is also standardized; no 'oh, the Verizon model has a locked bootloader' stuff.

      I can see the argument that little more than browser isn't really enough to work with, hence the adoption of Android applications; but the competence and sanity of the OS part of things is a vast difference from the clusterfuck that is Android.

      And, if Intel offends you, you can get one of the ARM-based Chromebooks(Samsung did some Exynos-based ones, more recently Rockchip seems to be the SoC of choice). They are largely indistinguishable in operation.

    4. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      does Chromebook serve any real purpose anymore when a good Android device can do everything it can do and more.

      Chromebooks are widely used in schools. They are way better than tablets if you need to do a lot of typing.

      In my neighborhood school, the kids start using Chromebooks in 3rd grade, and they now teach touch typing instead of cursive writing.

    5. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by tepples · · Score: 2

      What about the opposite question. Why do you want a Chromebook?

      Because makers of traditional laptops designed for GNU/Linux have as of late left the compact laptop market underserved. System76, for instance, doesn't sell anything smaller than 13 inches. People might be tempted to work around this by installing the "GNURoot Debian" and "XSDL" apps into a Chromebook's Android subsystem.

    6. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's weird, I learned touch typing and cursive.

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    7. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by kenh · · Score: 1

      In my neighborhood school, the kids start using Chromebooks in 3rd grade, and they now teach touch typing instead of cursive writing.

      Because no one needs to know how to sign their name...

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    8. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      firstly that is a fail school if they stopped teaching cursive writing. secondly are you really claiming you need a chromebook to be able to have a keyboard and mouse?

    9. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by barjam · · Score: 2

      Most signatures are just chicken scratches anyhow. I learned cursive in second grade and never used it again after fifth, it was a complete waste of time.

    10. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1, Informative

      I used an Acer Chromebook 13 (Nvidia Tegra K1-based) for a while. The build quality, keyboard, touchpad, battery life and just about everything else was amazing. However, the screen was a horrible TN panel (1080p, though), and the performance was absolutely garbage-tier.

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    11. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They didn't teach us cursive at school. It hadn't been invented.

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    12. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have news for you: Intel-chip tablets exist, and ARM ChromeBooks are quite common.

      I hate Intel and want them to lose, so believe me when I say that as far as I can tell the Intel mobile x86 chips are about as good as ARM in most ways. (This wasn't enough for Intel to win. Intel would have needed to be better than ARM, since ARM is a commodity. Intel had to basically bribe companies like Asus to make Android devices with x86.)

      I bought a Samsung ChromeBook Plus, with an ARM chip, for about $500 and I have been very happy with it. Performance, keyboard, touchpad, and screen are good enough that I can do real work on it. Because it runs Android apps, I have OpenVPN and ConnectBot installed; so I can SSH in to my company's network and work on our servers. I check email, Slack, and issue trackers using Chrome browser, but I have an Android Firefox browser for accessing internal stuff that needs the VPN.

      If I just want to watch a movie, I'd rather just use my Nexus 9 tablet. (Google's about to stop issuing updates for that. I'm not sure what I'm going to replace that with, since I don't like the looks of the Pixel C tablet. Maybe I'll suck it up and just use the ChromeBook Plus... cheaper than buying another tablet just to watch movies.)

    13. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by The123king · · Score: 1

      Name me an off-the-shelf performance ARM processor not made by the chinese

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    14. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      firstly that is a fail school if they stopped teaching cursive writing.

      I haven't written a letter in longhand in at least 30 years.
      I use block letters for the grocery list.
      There is nothing else I write by hand.

      My eldest daughter learned cursive.
      This is the number of times she has used it since: 0.
      It would make more sense to teach kids to shoe a horse.

      secondly are you really claiming you need a chromebook to be able to have a keyboard and mouse?

      No, not the only way, but likely the cheapest for a useful system (no a Raspberry Pi is a very useful system for schoolwork).

    15. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Most of them are made by the Taiwanese at TSMC, not the Chinese. China is a generation or more behind Taiwan when it comes to fab technology.

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    16. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      These days, I sign my name on some electronic doodad. I don't think I've signed on paper in nearly a century. Everyone's signature is chicken-scratch on those things, even if it isn't on paper.

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    17. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Latin wasn't under classics, it was in the modern languages department.

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    18. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      I think you missed the biggest thing that a Chromebook doesn't do that an Android tablet does. It doesn't fit in my pocket.

      One of the reasons I use my tablet more than my laptop these days is that I can toss the tablet in my pocket (I wear cargo pants usually so can fit an 8 inch tablet easily).

    19. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Everyone's signature is chicken-scratch on those things

      Mine isn't -- I just draw a straight horizontal line.

    20. Re:Chromebook is Intel, not ARM. by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      There are ARM Chromebooks, aren't there? The high end ones are Intel, because Intel processors are still more powerful. They may not compete on power consumption with ARM, but they do on processing power.

      But I guess your last question (Why do you want a Chromebook?) is the most telling. People want Chromebooks because they have different needs than you do. They care mostly about the zero administration aspect - and the ability to share them and have all your data available. And they care about price. Granted, with the addition of local Android apps, they've introduced a local data component that works in odds with the 'shared internet terminal' aspect. But school and business Chromebook users don't have to use the Android stuff...

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  2. ASUS C302CA by galabar · · Score: 1

    I'm about to switch. I've got a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2" that I've been using for several years. However, I'm going to switch to the ASUS C302CA. I'm just waiting for the Android app support to be a bit more stable.

    1. Re:ASUS C302CA by acroyear · · Score: 1

      indeed. biggest problem i have with android app support is scrolling. they don't respond to mouse wheel or two-finger on the touchpad, so half of the apps (like email clients) are useless.

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  3. Re:Neither is useful by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Your post reeks of desperation.

  4. Re: AND THEY ARE SO INEXPENSIVE by galabar · · Score: 2
  5. "laptop-level keyboard" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    What on earth does "laptop-level keyboard" even mean?

    Also, the only specific Chromebook mentioned is the new Pixelbook. Aren't those in a slightly higher price class than most Android tablets?

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    1. Re:"laptop-level keyboard" by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I use a keyboard with my android tablet at times for certain tasks for convenience, no problem

    2. Re:"laptop-level keyboard" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Since laptops are in your lap, presumably it's a keyboard situated approximately in that height level (may depend on the geometry of your chair).

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  6. Stupid questions by stupid people... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

    My wife's $99 Android tablet is thinner and doesn't have a keyboard. That makes it great for watch a movie while she knits, or listen to music or read an e-book.

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    1. Re:Stupid questions by stupid people... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      How about a laptop that folds right around for watching video? Then you have a built in stand and a real keyboard when you want to use social media.

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    2. Re:Stupid questions by stupid people... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      How about a laptop that folds right around for watching video?

      $12 folding "leather" case cover that doubles as a prop.

      Then you have a built in stand and a real keyboard when you want to use social media.

      She does FB and email on her iPhone, and doesn't have Twitter or Instagram accounts.

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    3. Re:Stupid questions by stupid people... by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Sounds expensive, fragile, and heavy.

  7. Can I use it without Google? by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can I use it without it ever having to talk to Google's servers? If not, then it's no replacement for Android.

  8. "What does a traditional Android tablet do that... by Splat · · Score: 1

    Not cost $500.

  9. Re:Huh by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Informative

    my android tablet does everything I'd want an ipad to do, at 1/4 the price. nothing shitty about it and quite frankly apple's UI jumped the shark a few years back

  10. The end of Microsoft if.... by locater16 · · Score: 2

    If Google could make a proper app ecosystem for Chromebooks, like native apps, I could see them as the permanent of Microsoft in any remaining consumer space. Not that this would be the best for anyone, Google is evil as hell. But at this point I'd take evil as hell over slothful and expensive. I can go out and get an I-Pad pro that's as fast as a good windows laptop, with a much better screen, for $200+ less than the windows laptop. Or an awesome, convertible tablet like Chromebook for $400 less than the equivalent Windows laptop.

    If either had even close to the same app ecosystem I'd do so instantly. Or if Linux did (and had the price of a Chromebook/etc.) same thing there. As it is I like to play games and end up using Lightroom, Photoshop, and etc. a lot. But damn am I tired of vastly overpaying for what feels like ever worse tech.

    1. Re:The end of Microsoft if.... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I'd take evil as hell over slothful and expensive.

      One leads to the other.
       

    2. Re:The end of Microsoft if.... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      But at this point I'd take evil as hell over slothful and expensive.

      That's not the choice, really. Microsoft is also evil as hell.

  11. Re:Neither is useful by chipschap · · Score: 2

    I'm wondering what you're getting at with your multiple AC posts in multiple threads.

    You should know that Linux zealots (such as I am to some degree) who are deriving value from Linux each and every day, will never agree with you.

    Is it trying to be an irritant (with, I must admit, some success) what drives you? Does that give you some sort of psychological boost?

    To each his own. Just don't expect to convert anyone to your viewpoint.

  12. What does a traditional Android tablet do... by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    "What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't?"

    Be just a tablet. It does less than a Chromebook. Perfect for some people. Throw the Chromebook stuff in there and you'll have to start explaining stuff, it won't be as idiot proof. I mean it's already too complex as-is for some people I know.

  13. Is Android by thadtheman · · Score: 1

    the latest Google Abandonware?

    1. Re:Is Android by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Now that more and more Chromebooks can run Android apps, I've been wondering if Google's long-term play is to kill ChromeOS.

    2. Re:Is Android by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Google are working on "Fuchsia", which some speculate could be the replacement for both ChromeOS and Android.

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  14. It is about $$$ by HalWasRight · · Score: 2

    The cheapest Chromebook is twice the price of a low cost brand name Android tablet. But why anyone would pay Chromebook prices for one of the so-called "premium" Android tablet is beyond me.

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  15. Linux desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Serious question: is it just me or is Chromebook desktop an actual usable desktop and why in the world can't we have that kind of environment on normal Linux?

    That desktop is simple, stable, does exactly what the desktop should do and it is consistent between different boxes.

    I'm sick of braindead interfaces on Linux. Take a look at Gnome and KDE - they spend so much time on making things looking flashy that they forget to make the actual desktop stable and usable.

    For example, Gnome Background setting does not allow you pick a custom color for your desktop wallpaper. Instead, there are 14 color options, most of which seem to be picked by 13 year old girl. Your eyes and head hurt and you want to change the background color to black? Well, too damn bad - its "OMG Ponies" pink color for you! What idiot thought that was a good idea?

    And then there is crashing! I constantly see the "Problem Reporting" message pop up when random stuff break. Try opening a directory with _many_ images in file manager - instant crash. Either that or it comes to a crawl.

    And then there is constant weirdness. Try opening multiple file manager instances - you keep seeing spinning mouse cursor because some idiot decided that nobody should ever run multiple instances of a single app.

    Or, try using the "Save As" feature in gedit - it constantly picks a very weird location to save files in.

    Seriously though, why can't we have a nice, lightweight desktop environment like the one from Chromebook on Linux?

    Yes, I have tried XFCE, LXDE and all the others and they all seem to be ducktaped together.

    1. Re:Linux desktop by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      Good idea. Let us know when you have gotten somewhere with it and I'll give it a test.

  16. One point worth highlighting... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and if you think the updates on Android phones are bad, let me tell you: The situation with Android tablets is worse.

    100% absolutely true.

    Four years ago, our school district decided to pilot devices. And when I say device, it seemed like nothing under $400 was off the table. We bought an iPad, an iPad mini, a Chromebook, a Nook, a Kindle Fire, an iPod touch, a Dell Latitude 10 Windows 8 tablet, and four different Android tablets, a Samsung Galaxy 10, an Asus Nexus tablet, and two white-box $100 Android tablets from Amazon. We gave each one to whoever wanted to try it out, we got feedback, and we choose Chromebooks.

    Last May, I dug the unused tablets out of the drawer, looking for one that I could use to use as a Wi-Fi analyzer. Updated every tablet to its highest-supported version. One Amazon tablet could only run Android Honeycomb (3.2), the other got to Jelly Bean (4.3), the Samsung Galaxy went up to Lollipop (5.1), and only the Asus Nexus tablet could run Marshmallow (6.0). (That Nexus was great for the job...modern OS, still fast, perfect size & portability...needed a new battery, though.)

    Four Android devices, all purchased at the same time, and four different levels of Android. None of us would have had any clue at the time how far each would last in terms of a functional cloud-based OS.

    But our Chromebook? Samsung 303c. Still works, still can browse the web with it w/o any issues (except for slowness). Updates guaranteed through next March, which means it will still work through the remainder of our school year. And it cost $239 at the time. I'd call that value.

    1. Re:One point worth highlighting... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      None of us would have had any clue at the time how far each would last in terms of a functional cloud-based OS.

      You failed to demonstrate that they don't have a functional cloud based OS, or won't continue to have the same in the future.
       

      But our Chromebook? Samsung 303c. Still works, still can browse the web with it w/o any issues (except for slowness).

      Interesting that you criticize the other equipment based on their OS - but you praise the Chromebook based on it's performance.

      Apples and oranges much?

    2. Re:One point worth highlighting... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's like the early days of home computing all over again. Rapid product updates, and if you had the old hardware you were probably stuffed... At least now there is mostly backwards compatibility though, so your older hardware isn't unusable for most modern applications.

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  17. I'll Stick with my S8+ by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    After that, a real computer plus specialty devices like the Kindle Fire.

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  18. Comfortable to use a keyboard without a desk by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Chromebook works far better for me if there is any appreciable amount of typing involved. Sure, you CAN put a tablet in a case with a little keyboard, but it's not made for that, and it shows. It doesn't sit comfortably in your lap as you type away like the laptop / Chromebook form factor does.

    Chromebooks also tend to have much longer battery life.

    I mostly use a large Android phone if I'm not working. I couldn't very well do much work on my phone. On a Chromebook I can (mostly I work in a terminal and a web browser). There is definitely a place for a Chromebook. Most of what I do, for work and play, I can do just fine on a Chromebook. The one thing that comes to mind it doesn't work well for is using Microsoft SQL Server Studio.

    1. Re:Comfortable to use a keyboard without a desk by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Since it's almost Android already is there any milage in making phones with ChromeOS?

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  19. Pffft. Ridiculous by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

    Chromebooks (I have one) run one browser (three guesses which one). It doesn't run Thunderbird, NetBeans or anything else that's not a browser extension. I have a Nexus 7 Android pad-form device that runs a TBird-like email client and a few other things that aren't browser-based, And I have a Win-7 laptop (that'll boot Linux Mint) that does about everything I need on either platform, albeit with reduced screen real estate compared to my (Win-7) desktop.

    Chromebooks are being issued to my grandchildren in 7th and 9th grades to do homework via a website, and that's a reasonable thing.

    Comparing Chromebooks to Android tablets in this way seems to demonstrate that the OP has never tried to do Real Work on a Chromebook. It's like trying to do fluid dynamics on a TRS-80.

    1. Re:Pffft. Ridiculous by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      It's like trying to do fluid dynamics on a TRS-80.

      I wrote a potential flow solver for NACA 0012 airfoil with 50x20 C Grid in an IBM PC-XT you insensitive clod!

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  20. I haven't seen a Chromebook under 10 inches by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    A 10-or-above device is too damned unwieldy to be a "tablet" in my book. My beloved Nexus 7 seems just the right size, and I might stretch that to 8 inches when it goes to heaven, but above that, forget it.

  21. Re: Huh by tshawkins · · Score: 2

    I migrated from an ipad to an android (samsung 12.2) tablet, and when that became long in the tooth shifted to a samsung tab s3, which i love deeply. Android tabs generaly have phone functions which you generaly dont find on chromebooks, i dont want to have to have a dongle stuck out the side

    Try pairing a bluetooth mouse to an ipad, does not work, but it works just fine in an android tab, you can even use usb, adding a keyboard and mouse to an android tab changes the experience

  22. Re:Neither is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > Android is Linux

    Yep, it is indeed in nature, but there's a lot more in Linux that "they" won't let Android have. It's Linux no doubt, but has been kept underfed.

    > and Linux just isn't useful for anything except servers.

    Yeah, right. Routers use Linux, supercomputers use Linux, embedded hardware uses Linux (and likewise "things" like robots, toys, etc.), set top boxes uses Linux. Actually I've been using it since 18 years ago -- as a desktop, no less.

    Kid, let me tell you one thing. Hear it and wake up: don't use the verb to be, mmkay? You don't know what "is" means.

    And if you're somehow related to anything Microsoft, better start learning Linux ASAP. You're some 20 years late. Literally.

    > Linux is not a viable desktop, phone, or tablet OS, nor will it ever be.

    Why not? Just get a notebook with a touchscreen. You know what? I used to have a SIM card adapter and could send SMS at will from my Linux desktop. I bet someone reading this right now could teach us how to make calls using a cellphone account through the SIM card. That's Linux for you.

    You may be used to Microsoft and the phrase "this can't be done" -- but I'm used to Linux and the concept of "that's cool, let's do it".

  23. Re:The next post will be... by sd4f · · Score: 1

    Google probably wants it to be, they certainly appear to be working to that end.

  24. Re: Neither is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, the title should be changed to "is shit the new crap?"

  25. Easy by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >"What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't?

    Let's see how easy that is:

    1) It is not as light as a tablet.
    2) It is not as thin as a tablet.
    3) It typically (but not always) costs more than a tablet.
    4) It doesn't have an upside-down keyboard I have to worry about getting damaged, dirty, wet, etc.
    5) It isn't typically available as small, like 10", which means even further weight savings, thinness, battery life, and portability.

    And when the idea is portability, those matter a lot. Some of us want a tablet because we have no desire to use the tablet as a laptop. I have never, not even once, wanted to type on my tablet or use a trackpad with it. I use it to play games mostly, with some weather checking, music listening, watching video, and photo browsing.

    Now, if it has a completely REMOVABLE keyboard and then was exactly as thin and light as a typical tablet, and available in several sizes/prices from 7" to 12", then yeah, it could replace a tablet for practically everyone. Until then, the concept of a "tablet" isn't moot.

    1. Re:Easy by pots · · Score: 1

      >"What does a traditional Android phone do that an Android tablet doesn't? Let's see how:

      1) It is not as light as a phone.
      2) It is not as thin as a phone.
      3) It typically (but not always) costs more than a phone.
      4) It isn't typically available as small, like 5", which means even further weight savings, thinness, battery life, and portability.

      And when the idea is portability, those matter a lot. Some of us want a phone because tablets are redundant.

      I'm not arguing with you, I'm saying that tablets are dumb.

    2. Re:Easy by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >" I'm not arguing with you, I'm saying that tablets are dumb."

      Show me an 8" or 10" phone...

    3. Re:Easy by pots · · Score: 1

      That would make it:

      1) Heavier.
      2) Thicker.
      3) More expensive.
      4) Not available as small, which means further weight gains, thickness, lower battery life, and lack of portability.

      And when the idea is portability, those matter a lot.

    4. Re:Easy by erice · · Score: 1

      >"What does a traditional Android phone do that an Android tablet doesn't?

      Let's see how:

      1) It is not as light as a phone.

      2) It is not as thin as a phone.

      3) It typically (but not always) costs more than a phone.

      4) It isn't typically available as small, like 5", which means even further weight savings, thinness, battery life, and portability.

      And when the idea is portability, those matter a lot. Some of us want a phone because tablets are redundant.

      For many of us, even 5" is too big for a device that needs to be carried at all times. But it is too small for many of things that tablets are good at. That is why tablets are not redundant.

    5. Re:Easy by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Compared to a phone tablets have much larger batteries and no, they are usually not more expensive. Often they are much cheaper for the same CPU performance due to lack of radios, waterproofing, quality cameras, and tightly integrated electronics etc.

      What you're really saying is that a 7 or 8" screen is dumb because you've never wanted one yourself.

    6. Re:Easy by pots · · Score: 1

      What you're really saying is that a 7 or 8" screen is dumb because you've never wanted one yourself.

      Oh for gods' sake. Did you read the post that I was replying to? I tried to make it flagrantly obvious that I was just copying his argument in which trading portability for increased functionality was necessarily bad. If anything, the ratio of increased functionality to loss of portability is larger when you go from a tablet to a Chromebook, than it is from a phone to a tablet. Adding a keyboard and Google's browser-based office suit, on top of a larger screen, is a significantly bigger bonus than a larger screen alone.

  26. Re:Neither is useful by Trogre · · Score: 2

    No, it really is. Android is every bit a Linux distribution as Ubuntu or Fedora.

    What it is not, is a GNU/Linux distribution. As if that mattered.

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  27. Re: Runs in fucking offline mode ... by Trogre · · Score: 1

    A very good point. My oldest Android tablet is 5 years old now, and I still use it for e-books, watching video content and puzzle games.

    Still on Ice Cream Sandwich, and all offline (although when the need arises I can still load YouTube [albeit slowly] and play SD content from there).

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  28. Nice "story" you've got there "anonymous reader" by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Here's Mine.

    In today's world of $20 smartphones and $50 android tablets, lets indoctrinate our children into the chromebook's cloudbased world of for profit data mining, lack user control, and corporate ownership of personal data! Gotta spend this budget on something!

    BONUS! This puts a state/Alphabet controlled computer system in every family home in America, and
    BONUS! makes the sucker parents accept responsibility for the hardware, and
    BONUS! they have no control over the hardware they are responsible for! and
    BONUS! Look! the chromebook is now outselling all of the "not issued to every k-12 student in the country" tablets and computers! What a great product!!!!

    Do no evil my ass.

    I said we didn't need it, we have all the computers we need already.... and my child was excluded from group discussions on the device while in class until I gave them the protection money and banned the fucking MAC.

    Such bullshit. There is no reason the students can't use the library, the computer lab, a mobile phone, or their own personal computer to log into the damn cloud-based learning tool. If they really have no access to any of those devices... GIVE THEM A COMPUTER TO KEEP.

    Seriously education system, how many students honestly don't have access to a smartphone, personal computer, or a public library? I'm guessing maybe 1 in 10? Give em a damn computer to keep, and you can virtue signal all over the damn place over it. Schools love that shit. Put it in your stupid newsletter, right next to story about why you should tear-down historic statues, and rename fucking holidays.

    This chromebook thing really grinds my gears. In my day, it was all Macintosh and Windows in school.... Now every business in the world is addicted to Apple/Microsoft and paying through the damn nose for it. How come they didn't stick with Apple and Windows for education? Maybe ask a history teacher- What happens when you forget what happened last time?

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  29. Kids by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    So my kids can lose or break a $99 tablet or a $500 chromebook. I'll go with the tablet. In fact, I'm almost as likely to break it as they are.

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  30. Details left out... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You failed to demonstrate that they don't have a functional cloud based OS, or won't continue to have the same in the future.

    Then let me elaborate. It's all about anticipated value.

    The key variable here on each device is its web browser. Web browsers are critical for any schools dependent on Google Apps for Education. That Honeycomb tablet can't even run Chrome browser, and Ice Cream Sandwich only supported Chrome up through v.42, which lost its support around the end of 2016. All the websites teachers depend on daily would, bit-by-bit, lose their ability to function in these old browsers. At the time of purchase, did we know the software limitations of these devices? Absolutely not. There was nothing in any documentation telling us how long Android would remain current with these tablets, making it impossible to gauge an anticipated value at purchase.

    With Chromebooks, Google clearly communicates to the world that the software on a Chromebook was guaranteed to stay updated for five years. Therefore, our anticipated lifespan of four years was only physically limited by the wear and tear our students would put on it. We could anticipate its value and budget accordingly. But with Android, half the devices we tried had OS's that would not have lasted us four years, without our knowing which of them would. That makes it impossible to plan a device's anticipated value, and our district already experienced devices that fail sooner than they should, and didn't want to go through that again. (That experience involved LearnPads, but that's a whole different story.)

    And I didn't praise the Chromebook at all for its performance. That 303c was slow as molasses out of the box, and it only got worse with time. But its browser still works, making it still useful for its intended purpose. If you like using older Android tablets because it still serves its intended purpose for you, then good for you, you're getting good value out of it. I'm praising the Chromebook because it's delivering our district good value.

    1. Re:Details left out... by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like you also had two Android tablets whose browser still works too, and possibly at least a third that still works, but may slowly start to develop problems. Considering that tablet has to be AT LEAST 4 YEARS OLD (Jellybean was the latest release from mid 2012 to October 2013), that isn't bad at all. Even your sainted Chromebook won't necessarily support OS updates much past that point.

  31. Not even POSIX by tepples · · Score: 2

    What [Android] is not, is a GNU/Linux distribution. As if that mattered.

    I agree that GNU proper isn't essential, as other free userspaces such as BusyBox or that of FreeBSD can substitute for GNU. What makes Android less useful for some people is that it's not even a POSIX/Linux distribution, as it doesn't attempt to provide the programming languages and core utilities specified by POSIX unless you install GNU as an app.

    1. Re:Not even POSIX by The123king · · Score: 1

      Windows isn't a POSIX/linux distribution and 90% of PC's run it. And given that nearly every smartphone sold without a fruity logo runs Android, i think they're doing OK without a POSIX API exposed to the userland.

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    2. Re:Not even POSIX by tepples · · Score: 1

      What makes Android less useful for some people is that [...] it doesn't attempt to provide the programming languages and core utilities specified by POSIX

      Windows isn't a POSIX/linux distribution and 90% of PC's run it.

      Windows (except Windows 10 S) also has Visual Studio available without charge, and rebooting a Windows PC doesn't cause the firmware to display prompts that that encourage someone to delete Visual Studio and all your unpushed changes to Visual Studio projects. What's the equivalent on a Chromebook?

      And given that nearly every smartphone sold without a fruity logo runs Android

      I'm conflicted about this. I know AIDE for Android exists, but I doubt its practicality with a 5-inch screen and juggling four pages of the on-screen keyboard.

  32. Offline use by tepples · · Score: 1

    I couldn't very well do much work on my phone. On a Chromebook I can (mostly I work in a terminal and a web browser).

    How much of that can you do away from an Internet connection? Is there a viable pocket-sized, battery-powered server that one could carry in order to use "a terminal and a web browser" with a Chromebook?

  33. Public library closed for weekend by tepples · · Score: 1

    how many students honestly don't have access to a smartphone, personal computer, or a public library? I'm guessing maybe 1 in 10?

    I'm guessing that the number goes up sharply on weekends, when public libraries have reduced hours or are closed entirely. (Source: acpl.info)

    1. Re:Public library closed for weekend by kenh · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that the number goes up sharply on weekends, when public libraries have reduced hours or are closed entirely.

      Shorter hours for the public library is the result of taxpayer choices - if the community wanted the libraries open all weekend, they would simply raise taxes and do it.

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  34. Re: Stupid crappy clone of Windows by tshawkins · · Score: 1

    If you can take the loss of some inches, the galaxy tab s3 (9.7 inch) is superb, i moved from a pro 12.2 to that, and the mobility i gained was worth the size reduction. It still has tbe full featured s-pen/wacom combo, but has the most amazing screen to be found on any tab.

    Blazing fast, 7.0 and soon 7.1.

  35. Barring the obvious... by sgunhouse · · Score: 1

    I have an Android-based 2-in-1, which for some reason (specifically, because the manufacturer also sells a Windows version) uses an Intel processor. So yes, it has a keyboard, trackpad, and touchscreen (not all Chromebooks do). So what is it that your Chromebook is supposed to do that my Android 2-in-1 doesn't already?

  36. Re:Is this because by oakgrove · · Score: 1

    How exactly is a Chromebook more complicated than an iPad? I have both and while they're both braindead easy to use, the Chromebook still has the upperhand in that department.

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  37. Ignores privacy by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    Google does not respect your privacy. Integreation does give minor benefits to the consumer, but it ensures massive information benefits for the company

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  38. I know it for sure by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't? "

    Not hurt my arm after a few hour of holding it in 1 hand.

  39. It's Linux. Terminal plus a web browser by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Is there a viable pocket-sized, battery-powered server that one could carry in order to use "a terminal and a web browser" with a Chromebook?

    It's Linux. A terminal is the native interface. What makes it a Chromebook is that rather than a standard server-side install of Linux (no GUI) or standard desktop install (lots of GUI shit I don't use anyway), it has a web browser a couple other things in a small, very efficient GUI. No GUI for partitioning hard drives, no pre-installed solitaire game. Which is fine for me, I don't partition drives in a GUI anyway.

    Then you asked if browsing the web works without an internet connection? Huh? No, I don't do a lot of web browsing work without WiFi.

    If you want to, you can install as much as you want of the Ubuntu or Debian userland on top of the ChromeOS-provided kernel. I've not seen any need. My work as a programmer / hacker basically uses a text editor in the terminal, ssh, and a browser.

    People who have never tried a Chromebook like to say things like "they are for dummies who don't know anything about computers. A power user would never use one.". One guy I've spoken to, whom I consider to be a power user, had this to say about his new Chromebook:

    "suspect I'll make this my primary laptop. I tend to like my laptops slightly smaller, but I think I can lug around this 1.5kg monster"

    Maybe someone thinks that guy, Linus Torvalds, is a newbie, and doesn't understand the needs of power users like themselves. Okay, fine, lug around something that weighs three times as much and takes six times longer to boot if you want. Linus and I can look at kernel patches on our Chromebooks.

    1. Re:It's Linux. Terminal plus a web browser by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      you asked if browsing the web works without an internet connection? Huh?

      I often use a web browser on machines that have no network connections, to view locally stored pages (mostly manuals and other documentation).

  40. Voice assistants by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

    Can I completely disable Google Assistant? I can't think of a moment where I ever would prefer talking to my computer over typing. At public transport people would think I was a psycho talking to myself. At home, my partner would come 10 seconds later asking "excuse me, what did you say?" thinking I said something to her. In an office space, people would think I should shut up and just use the keyboard like a normal person.

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  41. Wrong. by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chromebook is Intel, not ARM.

    ??!? Huh?
    Sorry, but I'm writing this on an official ARM Chromebook and things are working just fine, thank you. Wether Chrome OS or Android is running on x86 or ARM makes just about no difference at all for the upper layers, OSes included.

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  42. Who cares? Both OSes are closely related anyway. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    They're both just about the same thing anyway. Yeah, Android is built around the JVM and has some low-level stuff concerning cellular connectivity and such, but I expect such things to be covered with in an afternoon of recompiling kernel modules for whatever OS (read: customised cross-platform FOSS *nix variant) Google has lying around, be it Chrome, Android or something else

    As for the Chromebooks getting Android: That's a nice thing and of course will push back an android tablet if you have money to spare and dig Big Brother Google and all the niceties he has to offer for his minions. So, yeah, chances are that a high profile Android tablet actually is a Chromebook with keyboard attached running Android (see Pixelbook) and perhaps that way of doing things will catch on with vendors.

    I wouldn't mind.

    Then again, well matured dirt cheap android tablets for the mother of my daughter to watch 'tube-clips and read the local news is a neat thing too, so, no, I doin't think Android tablets are going away. But again, who cares, Android runs Chrome and has all the Google nifties integrated, so it's not that much of a difference anyway.

    My 2 eurocents.

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  43. Re:chromebooks suck balls as an alternative by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worst haiku EVER!

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  44. Re:Huh by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

    My wife uses a £35 Amazon Fire tablet. It has the same form factor as my old Nexus 7, runs everything she wants without complaint and we can easily sideload apps that are missing from the Amazon store. She is over the moon with it and the only reason I haven't bought one myself is that I really have no need for a tablet (I use my phone for anything I don't do on my laptop).

    That's 1/10 the price of the cheapest iPad. This to me is the funniest thing about ipad owners looking down on android. They just overpaid by a factor of 10 and all it got them was an unwarranted superior attitude.

  45. If the Chromebook has the right specs, then maybe by rklrkl · · Score: 3, Informative

    I suspect the Computerworld article author has assumed that a typical Chromebook has the same specs as a tablet and *then* has a (hopefully detachable) keyboard on top of that. I just spent $230 on a 10.1" Android 7 tablet that has 4GB RAM, 64GB of local storage (that's rare for a Chromebook because of its cloud leanings), a 2560x1600 touchscreen (again, very rare for a Chromebook to have that res and not all Chromebooks have touchscreens either) and the usual GPS/accelerometer stuff too. I suspect you're talking *big* money to match those specs with a Chromebook.

    Yes, I have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard I can optionally use with the new tablet (which will give a better experience than most Chromebooks' trackpads and keyboards) - it has mini-HDMI too if I wanted to hook it to a bigger screen. The tablet form factor is so much better for media consumption, particularly when you're on the move and don't have anywhere to rest your device on.

  46. so explain me this by sad_ · · Score: 1

    if google can keep such a tight control over its chromebook range, which is also produced by different brands and use different arch's like intel & i don't know how many different arm cpu's, WHY CAN'T IT DO THE SAME FOR ANDROID?

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    1. Re:so explain me this by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      android devices are intended to be disposable, thus they don't care

  47. Re POSIX: Crouton by chainsaw1 · · Score: 1

    You also have the option for crouton, which with the chrome browser extension is much more useful. If Google would make Crouton install-able to USB (without command line switches) and more integrated in terms of setup (no need to enter dev mode and less complicated but still "hidden" as an install) then it could better fill those niches. I suspect that most people would still use chrome for 90% of everything they do, meaning google looses little of their cloud computing and advertising agenda's via the chromebook. Meanwhile power users and admins are happy because they can use full linux features under the hood for themselves or administrative / diagnostic functions without as much hassle.

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  48. All it needs by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    All it needs is a terminal and Eclipse working offline, and a large screen for old farts. I'd be ditching my Macbook Pro in a heartbeat.

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  49. Android update on tablet? by Frederic54 · · Score: 2

    > if you think the updates on Android phones are bad, let me tell you: The situation with Android tablets is worse.

    Oh yes, I bought a few years ago the $$$ top of the line Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro tablet, it came with Android 4.4, it never had any update.

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  50. Tablet by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

    What does a traditional Android tablet do that a convertible Chromebook doesn't?

    Fit in my pocket.

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  51. Re:Nice "story" you've got there "anonymous reader by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    100% correct. These "anonymous" stories about Chromebooks are just shills for Google. Same with stories about Alexa. Slashdot needs to stop. Chromebooks are just spy devices.

  52. Of you want to avoid Android. More Linux (Debian) by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The only reasons I can think of, based on the older version I've used, is if you have your own reasons to avoid Android, or you want to run Ubuntu or Debian userland on your phone.

    Android seems to do fine on phones - it works well enough that most devices sold in the last few years are Android phones. Obviously some people would prefer an alternative, other than Apple iOS.

  53. Boot, Space, Enter = goodbye data by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's Linux. A terminal is the native interface.

    But what executables can you build and run on a Chromebook without first putting it into the fragile developer mode? I call Chromebook developer mode "fragile" because anybody who turns on a Chromebook, presses Space as prompted, and presses Enter as prompted will inadvertently trigger a factory reset.

    Then you asked if browsing the web works without an internet connection? Huh?

    If you're privately developing a web application, you may want to be able to test it even if you're riding public transportation with no Wi-Fi. Not everybody can afford to either A. move to a city whose public transportation offers Wi-Fi over which to use SSH or B. subscribe to cellular Internet with tethering.

    you can install as much as you want of the Ubuntu or Debian userland on top of the ChromeOS-provided kernel.

    Until someone else turns it on and follows the prompts.

    1. Re:Boot, Space, Enter = goodbye data by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      It is true that you need to put the silly thing into developer mode to do anything "fun" to a chromebook, but the decision to LEAVE it in developer mode is up to you.

      There is a custom firmware called MrChromebox, which is fairly painless to install. (you DO need to open the chromebook and remove the write protect screw temporarily to do a full system flash) However, in many cases, you can do a full system rom replacement, which completely removes "Developer mode" altogether. You get a pretty stripped down UEFI implementation of coreboot instead.

      I recently did this to an HP chromebook for a coworker, who wanted to use her chromebook as a low-tier windows PC. (Her model has an actual NGFF ssd inside it, rather than the eMMC shit in most modern ones.) She loves the thing post-conversion.

      Even if you dont do a full system replacement, you can add the "boot legacy OS" module on, then push some arguments into the flash rom to tell it to skip the key combos, effectively removing the thing you are objecting to. (This is what I have done with my Celes, which does not currently support full UEFI replacement.)

      I am digging the shit out of GalliumOS. (A fork of xubuntu tailored specifically for hacked chromebooks.) It works like any other low-tier linux machine, and since my chromebook is x86 based, I am use WINE, and run some limited windows software, as needed. (mostly some older games, like DIablo II and the like.)

      If you have a big enough eMMC/NGFF storage inside, you can even dual-boot chromeos and galliumOS. (Just be aware that you will certainly need to use a class 10 microSD card for /home, with tmpfs mounts on commonly written areas, like the browser cache, since the storage inside most chromebooks is in the "16gb total" neighborhood.) For systems with real NGFF SSDs, this can be a real treat, with no real trade-offs.

      The basic point here being that you can open the lid on these tin-cans without leaving that "factory wipe" sword of damoclese hanging around. The choice to leave it is entirely on you, as the option to remove it is available.

    2. Re:Boot, Space, Enter = goodbye data by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      https://mrchromebox.tech/#fwsc...

      While it requires removing the write protect screw (which means opening the unit, and voiding warranties, (overrated, if you ask me, on a system with no moving parts.) but you use said script to:

      1) Remove the bitmaps instructing to press the button combos to do the wipe, replacing with a black screen instead. (wooo.)

      2) change the default boot target from chromeos to legacy boot, so that it does not even try to boot chromeos anymore.

      3) On supported devices, COMPLETELY REPLACE the bios with UEFI coreboot

      4) Install legacy boot firmware (does not require screw removal) to boot actual linux, like GalliumOS.

      Really, taking this hardware back from google is a screwdriver and some CLI-fu away.

  54. Re:Of you want to avoid Android. More Linux (Debia by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    The only issue I have with Android is that the vendors never seem to pass on the security upgrades and even new phones are coming out with versions of Android that are 2 or 3 years out of date with no security patches. Perhaps a ChromeOS Phone would better protect us and give us the same vast ecosystem of apps.

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  55. Campaign contributions are also an expense by tepples · · Score: 1

    if the community wanted the libraries open all weekend, they would simply raise taxes and do it.

    Those who cannot afford a home computer and home Internet access nor a smartphone and cellular Internet access probably cannot afford campaign contributions to candidates who promise to fund library service expansion by raising the tax rate on other constituents.

  56. Highly conspicuous self-destruct button by tepples · · Score: 1

    If Google would make Crouton install-able to USB (without command line switches)

    Agreed. That's my primary complaint about Chromebooks: a Crouton installation is fragile.

  57. How does CFW affect the warranty? by tepples · · Score: 1

    There is a custom firmware called MrChromebox, which is fairly painless to install.

    Does installing MrChromebox or the "boot legacy OS" module void the warranty on a Chromebook's screen, hinge, and keyboard? If so, how would a MrChromebox or "boot legacy OS" module user who needs the screen, hinge, or keyboard serviced go about having the device repaired?

    1. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      You can install legacy boot option rom without removing the screw Tepples. :P It's only if you want to muck around inside the rom parameters and other stuff that you need to remove the screw. Also, you normally dont need to disassemble the hinge mechanism to get to the screw. It is usually accessible just after removing the back of the clamshell.

    2. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by tepples · · Score: 1

      You can install legacy boot option rom without removing the screw Tepples. :P

      Based on the results of a Google search for legacy boot chromebook, such as this and this and this, I'm under the impression that legacy boot can be reached only from developer mode, which we've established is fragile, and it tends to corrupt itself when the battery runs dry. What keywords should I have used to find a guide to setting up legacy boot on Chromebook?

      Also, you normally dont need to disassemble the hinge mechanism to get to the screw. It is usually accessible just after removing the back of the clamshell.

      That's not the scenario I had in mind. What I had in mind was that the hinge would eventually develop a fault through wear and tear unrelated to the installation of custom firmware, and then a warranty service program trying to minimize costs might notice that the firmware isn't stock and refuse to service the hinge on grounds of having modified the firmware.

    3. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      I acknowledged that to do anything fun with a chromebook you DO have to enable dev mode.

      The real message was that you do not need to KEEP it in dev mode.

      Once you install the legacy boot firmware blob, you can put it back in regular mode. (naturally, it wipes out the dev mode deploy and restart fresh on the OS side, but the legacy package is in the flashrom, not in the ssd, so it will survive. Same with boot options to skip normal chrome boot/force legacy boot as default image.)

    4. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Once you install the legacy boot firmware blob, you can put it back in regular mode.

      According to this page, setting legacy boot as default "requires disabling the write protection".

    5. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      That is true, but pounding on CTRL-L at power on still works even when not in dev mode.

      One can boot an alternative OS with legacy boot from USB, and use that OS to resize the chromeOS partition structure. That would free space for minimal /boot partition (on tiny eMMC based devices), or enough space for a full secondary OS (On devices with an upgraded NGFF ssd), then do a proper install beside normal mode chromeOS.

      Just that the default will be "boot to chrome os", instead of "boot legacy OS". Can still have a fully functioning secondary OS deploy along side chrome, with chromeos in normal mode. Just pound the key sequence at power on.

    6. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by tepples · · Score: 1

      So just to ensure I understand you correctly: the owner of an x86 Chromebook can back up all data, go to developer mode, enable legacy boot, leave developer mode, and press Ctrl+L to boot a different GNU/Linux OS installed on something like a Cruzer Fit flash drive. Do I have that right? And if so, would the Arch guide work for other Chromebooks and other GNU/Linux distributions?

    7. Re:How does CFW affect the warranty? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Essentially, yes, I do believe so.

      I personally have no love for chromeOS, and was happy to remove it as soon as possible.

      Arch is very much for power users, but if you just want a GNU/Linux deploy free of most hassle, Gallium already detects and configures itself properly for most chromebook hardware our there. Just be aware that it is an ubuntu variant. (actually, an xubuntu variant.)

      Legacy boot mode gives a very minimal BIOS implementation, and does not do much to simulate ps2 keyboards or mice, and most chromebooks use an SPI or I2C connected keyboard/mouse. Most normal distros are not geared to detect and use such hardware, so manually configuring them is a PITA.

  58. Tablets better for dedicated projects .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of demand for Android tablets for use in automotive applications .... custom projects to put one in the dashboard in place of a double-DIN car stereo.

    I think some are also surely getting used as single-purpose kiosks or remote controllers for things. You can, for example, dedicate one as the controller for videoconferencing systems built around the Zoom software (http://www.zoom.us).

    For general purpose use? It's really the same argument you get on the Apple side of things. Why buy an expensive iPad Pro when a full-blown notebook computer comes in around the same price? It depends... The notebook with its own integrated keyboard, ports and expansion slots, is always going to be the more "powerful" option. But what about use-cases where you're standing up all the time, like delivery drivers needing to input data about packages dropped off or picked up? For them, a tablet is going to be the only option that makes a lot of sense.

  59. Nope by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    I have a Galaxy Tab S2. A Chromebook cannot replace it. I don't hate it or anything like that, but it's all about the formfactor and usage.

    First of all, it's extremely disingenuous to brush off something like "Nowadays, a Chromebook runs the same apps from the same Google Play Store". Sure, if you consider the fact that most apps don't work well, several of them crashes, have weird bugs, etc etc. No, a Chromebook does not run the same apps from the same Google Play Store. Far far faaaar from it. It might eventually happen? Well, that's something you have to pray Google keeps working on. It's something I've been hearing since the compatibility was announced. It still didn't happen.

    It'd be great if Android apps worked well on a Chromebook, but the absolute vast majority of it doesn't. It's the problem of smartphone designed apps running on tablet formfactor but multiple times worse.

    Next on the list, hardware design wise, it's the same problem of trying to use a hybrid as a tablet. The keyboard being there for typing is great for some applications, but when you want to use the device as a tablet, it's a huge annoyance and burdensome. Just try it for yourself. Reading comics or eBooks, playing simple games, watching content. The extra weight and bulk needed for the keyboard works against a tablet type usage.

    OS wise, it might be closer to being a true hybrid in comparison to say Windows or MacOS, but it's still not quite there.

    Going offline. Provided that Android tablets by themselves are also not great on this area, but Chromebooks are even worse. You have to go through a whole ton of configurations to enable some offline functionality, and since regular Android apps are far from working well right now, it only makes things harder.

    I'm not saying that Chromebooks are bad though... they can be great, depending on usage. But truth of it, you are inside Google's walled garden. It's a jack of all trades, master of none. It barely works as an Android tablet, and scrapes the basic functionalities of a full laptop, which you might be fine with. But it's no full replacement for anything.

  60. Re:"What does a traditional Android tablet do that by barc0001 · · Score: 1

    To be fair, there are lots of Chromebooks that are considerably cheaper than comparably sized Android tablets. I was just looking at convertible Asus one that's $339 CDN, which is about $250 US.

  61. Just switch the OS on cheaper chromebooks... by nunks · · Score: 1

    ...and it becomes pretty useful! After my old Android tablet died, I bought the cheapest Chromebook I could find (Samsung XE500C13, 2GB RAM) as a second, "on the go" computer, and suffered for a week struggling with ChromeOS. After that, I switched to Ubuntu-based Gallium OS and now it's almost becoming my main computer! It's very useful for working outside, there's nowhere better to code than a park :)

  62. Re:Huh by J�r�me+Zago · · Score: 1

    Ok, please find me a 9-10" Android tablet with 2 Gb RAM, 32 Gb storage and more importantly 2048Ã--1536 px (or better) for less than 349.90 CHF (which is what I paid for my iPad 2017), that can run Android 8 now and will receive security updates (at least) in the next 2 years.

    Indeed I would prefer to develop for Android, which is more open than iOS (no 99 USD annual fee, no need to have access to a computer running Mac OS X)...

  63. Re:Huh by J�r�me+Zago · · Score: 1

    Forgot that Slashdot still doesn't support Unicode. I meant 2048x1536 px or better.