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FCC Ends Decades-Old Rule Designed To Keep TV, Radio Under Local Control (variety.com)

The FCC on Tuesday voted to eliminate a rule that required broadcast station groups to maintain a physical presence in the community of their primary local coverage area, a move that critics say will help media companies further consolidate their operations and even be a boost to the ambitions of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Variety reports: But FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said the elimination of the rule has been a long time coming and will produce cost savings for stations. He said the "overwhelming majority" of public input favored the elimination of the rule, citing the support for such an action even from National Public Radio. "Continuing to require a main studio would detract from, rather than promote, a broadcaster's ability and incentive to keep people informed and serve the public interest," Pai said. The National Association of Broadcasters supports the rule's elimination, and has argued that it will free up funds for stations to spend on staff and programming. Commissioner Michael O'Rielly said the elimination reflects how the public currently interacts with local businesses -- not by visiting their facilities, but through telecommunications and social media. The rule dates to 1940. The two Democrats on the commission opposed the change. "There are many broadcasters who do an extraordinary job serving communities during disaster," said FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel. "But let's be honest -- they can only do so when they have a real presence in their area of license. That's not a retrograde notion -- it's a fact."

223 comments

  1. An alarmist view by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is all about consolidation of our media to a more "centralized" structure. You know the precursor to the state run that we always point to about OTHER countries that lack our "freedoms" This administration is openly hostile to free press, so any move they make will be filtered through that lens.

    1. Re:An alarmist view by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except in the US it won't be State run media, because why would it be?
      Corporate interests already run the US government for their own benefit, why would they allow the state to take over?

    2. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Broadcasters in America haven't been credible news sources for _decades_. They were corrupted way before the cable outlets.

      Only 80 year olds get their news from NBC/CBS/ABC/NPR.

      Every administration is hostile to non-pet media. Have you just started paying attention?

      You are right to a point. News these days is often about ratings, which means that it may be substance light and pundit heavy. You can make that worse when they have a clear and determined ideological bent. I'd argue that CNN is about ratings. MSNBC and FOX are probably more in the clear ideological bents, with fox the worst of the pair. None of the three are fake news, though some pundits may push into that area from time to time. Now you could order that the amount of actual news they deliver is not particularly high.

      When we lose local news and radio, we lose one more check against corporate control of information. Yes, your right that we already sort of lost it a long time ago, since groups kept buying up all the stations. I haven't kept up with local news lately, and that is a shame. I remember it covered local issues well. We need the small and independent voices. Sinclair I believe is the name of the one right wing group that controls so many stations.

      Big business whine that we must lower their taxes or they won't be able to get bigger. I'd almost argue the opposite, that we must raise the taxes on big business to encourage the smaller to thrive.

      Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as usual and if you believe that trickle down is going to work this time well, you're an idiot. The people that make decisions about pay only really care about paying just enough so they can keep enough staff to do the work, and they are more than willing to replace someone with 20 years experience with someone with none, and call it saving the delta in the two salaries.

    3. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better policy would be to give priority for licenses to those who have a substantial physical presence in a market (that is, more than a rent-a-secretary operation). Provide incentives, but eliminate it as a requirement

    4. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead would you have us get our news from Twitter and Facebook?

      Get your news from multiple sources and do your best to sort out the bullshit. If both Fox and MSNBC are saying the same thing it's probably worth listening to.

    5. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Base their tax rate off the percent of the american population that they reach. a truly independent station would pay little tax. while the big guys the sinclairs, clearchannels of the world would have to pay more tax. Want to lower your tax burden, sell off some of your stations.

    6. Re:An alarmist view by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only 80 year olds get their news from NBC/CBS/ABC/NPR.

      Fox News has the oldest audience of all TV news outlets, cable or network. The median age of a Fox News viewer is dead five years.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/bu...

      http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser...

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    7. Re:An alarmist view by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Corporate interests already run the US government for their own benefit, why would they allow the state to take over?

      Because the broadcasters that won't play ball are going to be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. And by revolution I mean the same old shit coming around again.

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    8. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys we are trying to fight this with Trive.news. It will be blockchain based crowd sourced fact checking for news. We are currently doing an ico and need people to support us. The world needs honest media

    9. Re:An alarmist view by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Except in the US it won't be State run media, because why would it be? Corporate interests already run the US government for their own benefit, why would they allow the state to take over?

      I fail to see the difference.

    10. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The difference is libertarian idiots scream loudly whenever the government might tell them what to do, and are stunningly silent when a corporation has that same power or worse.

    11. Re:An alarmist view by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      Look at the ads in TV news. All drugs for horrible old age disease (and they all make the grandkids come visit !) and Medicare Plus plans. I record the major nets, watch the first five minutes. You can also go left with Democracy Now, euro with BBC News and/or DW. This is a crappy ruling...the bottom tier of broadcasters is about to be unemployed, the whole farm system of baby broadcasters are going to need to take that job selling cars. Local Government ? High School Sports ? Your community ? Not important.

    12. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, using my new 1% tax rate, I will own a hundred different stations through a hundred different shell companies to control 100% of the market.

    13. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theoretically, the government agency would be accountable to the people at some level. Practically, there is little difference.

    14. Re:An alarmist view by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Broadcasters in America haven't been credible news sources for _decades_. They were corrupted way before the cable outlets.

      So what news source is credible? Just saying x,y and z sucks without even trying to indicate what sucks less isn't helpful.

      I enjoy some broadcast news programs. For example 60 minutes while far from perfect has a particular knack for shining light on issues that result in positive changes. Just a couple weeks ago they participated in an awesome piece on US government (DEA) being captured by drug industry directly leading to Trump's drug czar withdrawn from consideration and early hints at legislative action to begin to undue associated damage.

      I watched that episode in VLC on my PC. It was pulled OTA from an HD home run. Also like Tokyo news and BBC broadcasts also OTA via PBS for their not US perspectives.

      Only 80 year olds get their news from NBC/CBS/ABC/NPR.

      This is just stating an opinion without even bothering to offer objective information to support your ideas.

      Every administration is hostile to non-pet media. Have you just started paying attention?

      Because everyone is "hostile" is this supposed to excuses or legitimate any and all instances of respective administrations abusing power? What's your point?

    15. Re:An alarmist view by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You mean corporate monopolies. Oh wait, you're right, corporations are our governments now...

    16. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ban shell corporations while were at it, they serve no useful purpose other than to confuse customers that 50+% of the brands in the store shelves that the uneducated masses might think are different companies are actually just one of a handful of companies funneling all the profits into their pockets. Most all of those brands are owned by Kraft, Proctor and Gamble, Unilever, Mondelz International, Nestle and a few others.

    17. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anyone who lets a corporation tell them what to do is an idiot - doesn't matter what their political leanings are.

    18. Re: An alarmist view by hebertcole2 · · Score: 1

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    19. Re:An alarmist view by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 0

      The median age of a Fox News viewer is dead five years.

      Seems like somebody doesn't really understand averages or statistics in general... The fact that the worst case average age of Fox News viewers is 69 really doesn't mean half of them will be dead when the life expectancy for their main (male) viewer group is 77-79 depending on the source. What really matters is their ability to add new viewers to replace those dying of old age and seeing how much more successful they've so far been at finding older viewers I can't think of any reason why they'd be less successful at replacing dying viewers than other outlets.

      I also love how the Atlantic article acts like Fox News is alone if the partisan bullsh*t peddling when it's more than well known to not be alone on that front, albeit being something of a pioneer in the field and the worst offender (thou not by much of a margin). Let's not forget that The Atlantic follows the longstanding tradition of American media outlets being the personal mouthpieces of multi-millionaires in other industries. Henry Ford used his The Dearborn Independent to espouse his views, including the anti-Semitic ones, the same way Laurene Powell-Jobs, Steve Jobs' widow, uses The Atlantic to espouse her views.

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    20. Re: An alarmist view by Vermonter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't know there were companies in the US that had the power to imprison a person for not complying with them. Please enlighten me as to what companies have the same coercive power as a government (or, as you put it, "worse").

      Curiously, would you want to try to sue a corporation if you had to go through a special court owned and operated by said corporation? I'm guessing not. Yet if we sue the government, we are using a court system that is run under the same institution. Personally, I would rather not consolidate all the interested that could potentially act against me.

      It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run corporations while at the same time trust the people who run governments, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people.

    21. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      State run radio is already taking over, it's called Public Radio and staffing is rising as private sector continues to cut.

    22. Re: An alarmist view by link-error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The punishment for sharing a video can be worse than killing somebody.

          That's directly from the media companies.

         

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    23. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations are like the right hand of the devil and the government is like the left hand of the devil. We spend all this time blaming this hand or that (or each other for not seeing which hand is truly the evil hand). Why not just cut out the middle man and start blaming the devil?

    24. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's called fascism.

    25. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure that it's not a banana?

    26. Re: An alarmist view by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Voters have direct control over who is their Government. The only way to exercise that same control over the corporations is to have lots of money and buy the result you want. Corporations are more dangerous, because we have less control over them.

    27. Re: An alarmist view by easyTree · · Score: 2

      I didn't know there were companies in the US that had the power to imprison a person for not complying with them.

      Happy to google it for you... first link clicked says

      On its website, CCA states that the company doesn’t lobby on policies that affect “the basis for or duration of an individual’s incarceration or detention.” Still, several reports have documented instances when private-prison companies have indirectly supported policies that put more Americans and immigrants behind bars – such as California’s three-strikes rule and Arizona’s highly controversial anti-illegal immigration law – by donating to politicians who support them, attending meetings with officials who back them, and lobbying for funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Showing just how important these policies are to the private prison industry, both GEO Group and Corrections Corporation of America have warned shareholders that changes in these policies would hurt their bottom lines.

      !!

    28. Re: An alarmist view by easyTree · · Score: 2

      The punishment for sharing a video can be worse than killing somebody.

      You make it sound so heartless. I have it on good authority that this imbalance will change once people are overtly the product. Then, the situation will reflect the good and fair society you expect.

    29. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because the government got the right to use FORCE! Corporation can not send armed thugs to get you to comply!

    30. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because when you do that, you get called a Nazi.

    31. Re: An alarmist view by tbannist · · Score: 1

      It's because the government got the right to use FORCE! Corporation can not send armed thugs to get you to comply!

      That's a false statement. Corporations can send armed thugs to get you to comply. Of course, most don't because it would be illegal and the government can use force to punish them for violating the law.

      The anarchist libertarians want to strip the government of any ability to enforce any law. So, in their ideal world, there would be nothing but the moral imperative to not initiate violence (and the threat of retaliatory violence) to prevent corporations from sending thugs to compel your compliance with whatever they think you should be doing.

      I find it deeply ironic that libertarians tend to side with Republicans, who are the very people who are responsible for the militarized police that the libertarians claim to hate. You gotta love the people who are selling the solution to the problem they helped to create.

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    32. Re: An alarmist view by ExEm2SS · · Score: 1

      It's because the government got the right to use FORCE! Corporation can not send armed thugs to get you to comply!

      ...yet. Give it time.

    33. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I as a voter have direct control over who is my government how did Obama ever become president? Or Trump for that matter?
      The fact is that individuals have very little control over who is their government.
      At least I can buy shares to a publicly owned company. If I can buy enough shares I have control of that company.
      Now you might not think that's fair, but I read somewhere that life is not fair.
      At least no corporation can send jack boot thugs into my home on its own and I have some chance that I can sue them in a court that might at least give me a shot at winning.

    34. Re: An alarmist view by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Voters have direct control over who is their Government. The only way to exercise that same control over the corporations is to have lots of money and buy the result you want. Corporations are more dangerous, because we have less control over them.

      That's funny?

      Are you a Trump supporter? If you aren't, then why are you posting this obviously absurd nonsense?

      At least in the market, I can find an alternative. There is no "alternative government". You're stuck with which ever one the morons that don't agree with you put into power.

      This reminds me of the absurdity of Trump haters wanting desperately to hand him total control of a national health care monopoly.

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    35. Re:An alarmist view by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      Jokes aside, some people are shown to get more trustworthy in certain situations as they age. I wonder if that means we'll (our generation) start getting hoodwinked by OUR version of good media at 70 years old?

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    36. Re:An alarmist view by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...or not.

      Perhaps you just need to go further afield like an English speaking paper in another country or a news outlet that uses a different alphabet entirely.

      It's fun when the conventional media tells you one thing and a speciality publication contradicts them with details and photos.

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    37. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong, Absolute power attracts the corruptible. It doesn't corrupt, its the people that are attracted to it. Get it. There are people that are not corruptible, and they will be shot, stabbed, intimidated into not running/getting it. When it takes a liar to get the job, all you will ever have is liars.

    38. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pai does need to get investigates and then arrested.

    39. Re: An alarmist view by guruevi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The corporations only take the freedom and money you allow them to take. If you donâ(TM)t let them, they will die.

      The government takes your freedom and money at gunpoint.

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    40. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > At least in the market, I can find an alternative.

      Except that is increasingly not true. Companies are merging to the point where it makes sense to cooperate with one another then compete with one another. Look at airlines. When one of them added checked baggage fees, you could vote with your wallet right and pick an airline that doesn't introduce checked baggage fees? RIGHT?!

    41. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can vote for new people to run my government. Can't do that with a corporation - government is the lesser evil. Also, corporations may very well be foreign-owned.

    42. Re: An alarmist view by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Talk to small business people that have to deal with BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC for music royalties or have been audited by BSA for software license compatibility before you think that private organizations don't hire jack booted thugs to come to your front door.

    43. Re: An alarmist view by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "communist". The ones getting called Nazis are the ones enabling this.

    44. Re: An alarmist view by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Citation please, the NPR station in our town is losing funding and cutting staff.

    45. Re: An alarmist view by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Unless you are filthy rich, your shares will buy you less control of a corporation than your votes buy you control over government.

    46. Re: An alarmist view by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Public radio isn't state-run. It's publicly funded, it is true, but it does not take marching orders from any government official. Shit, Fox News is closer to state-run media given their ties to the governing party.

    47. Re:An alarmist view by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Come on, man. There's no need for slurs. Saying that homosexual people are akin to our current president is just vile. They don't deserve that.

    48. Re:An alarmist view by budsetr · · Score: 1

      We need to limit the size of corporations and allow only real people to own a corp., no more shell games.

    49. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theater employees for sure, there was a law passed that said they could detain and interrogate people and were immune from civil and criminal lawsuits for doing so if it was done to stop piracy.
      Family Entertainment and Copyright Act of 2005

      MPAA and RIAA often go with police on raids too.
      There's probably other similar things.

    50. Re:An alarmist view by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If the corporations and the State are in bed with each other, then what's the difference?
      Are you going to wait until there is precisely ONE corporation running all the AM and FM radio stations in the country before you wake up and see there's a problem?

    51. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see you're woefully unaware of fairly recent US history, or else you wouldn't be asking such elementary questions.

      Here's a simple reminder: in the 1900's, corporations could murder you and your family and the government wouldn't do anything about it. And they regularly did.

    52. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dmitry Skylarov was imprisoned at Adobes behest and he isn't even a US citizen.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd.

    53. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know there were companies in the US that had the power to imprison a person for not complying with them.

      Blackwater and other merks. Sure they operate outside the US, but they kill people who don't comply.

      Curiously, would you want to try to sue a corporation if you had to go through a special court owned and operated by said corporation? I'm guessing not.

      Binding arbitration sounds just like this.

      It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run corporations while at the same time trust the people who run governments, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people.

      Funny, I find the opposite even more amusing. The government does respond to votes. I don't have the money to make a corporation respond.

    54. Re:An alarmist view by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Corporate interests don't run the government; an incompetent party which believes taking money from the consumer and letting it trickle back down runs the government. The GOP genuinely believes they're doing great work for the American people.

      Let that sink in.

      Clearly, we could do better than the GOP tax plan; yet they believe it's the best. Does that not frighten a man to contemplate?

      I wanted to run because I want to pull the Democratic party back to a path of sanity--back to something like FDR showed us in a party. What did I find when I started running? Many candidates and active politicians at state, local, and even Federal levels complaining that the Democratic party has no real leadership. Other people keep saying it before I do.

      The Democrats need to remember they're not the Anti-Republicans and don't have to do everything to distinguish themselves from Republicans. They need to work toward the needs of Americans. Franklin D. Roosevelt said Americans deserve increased certainty of employment at a reasonable wage, and that American enterprise deserves a fair profit; and because the Republicans want to give business everything in the world at the expense of the working man, the Democrats have allowed themselves a casual stance of making business bleed because it's good politics. Does that sound like they care about the working man, or just the working man's vote?

      I say, today, the American people deserve security in their lives and livelihood: they need a safety net under them. We should strive toward a fair wage, fair hours, and a fair share. Businesses can have a fair profit--so long as they pay their fair share.

      The rich are of no concern; the 40 million Americans who cannot consistently find food, the over half-a-million who have no homes, those are our concern. High taxes are not an ends, not a goal to pursue; we must pursue an end to poverty and a levy of fairness to the working man.

      Let's start by looking again at this GOP tax plan, and what we can do better. We can unify our anti-poverty efforts on the basis of a Universal Dividend, thus putting an end to homelessness and hunger in this country while reducing the tax burden by $600 billion. We can supply a public healthcare option for perhaps $200 billion, and take steps to slim that--perhaps even to the point that the new cost of Medicare and the public option together are lower than Medicare and Medicaid today, especially if we can bring down the price of generic prescription drugs and improve Medicare's method of price negotiation.

      These efforts stabilize social security, reduce poverty, and give Americans a fair share tied to America's productivity. They reduce the tax burden, and even reduce spending. They even open an opportunity to reduce taxes on the wealthy, corporate income taxes, and even the regressive payroll tax--although corporate income taxes must always include paying into the Universal Dividend, so as to ensure capture of that fair share of GDP which we distribute to the American people.

      How strong can the Republican party hold against a Democratic party which focuses on what the American people need, which exercises fiscal responsibility, and which doesn't wage needless blood war against the wealthy and the American enterprise? Much of the ideological basis of Republican support falls away.

      Let's not forget the practical matters, either. Of $2,656 billion of Federal revenue brought by payroll and FICA, a 35% corporate tax rate brought $299.6 billion in 2016. With my Universal Dividend, it pays part of that into the Dividend itself, leaving only $168 billion. Gnawing away at that by the $5 and $10 billions ca

    55. Re:An alarmist view by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      aren't we almost there?

    56. Re:An alarmist view by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      some people are shown to get more trustworthy in certain situations as they age

      I do hope you meant "trusting," not "trustworthy"

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    57. Re:An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By trustworthy do you mean trusting? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-older-adults-are-too-trusting/
      Trustworthy as I understand it means something that is to be trusted.

    58. Re: An alarmist view by psycho12345 · · Score: 1

      "Curiously, would you want to try to sue a corporation if you had to go through a special court owned and operated by said corporation? I'm guessing not. Yet if we sue the government, we are using a court system that is run under the same institution. Personally, I would rather not consolidate all the interested that could potentially act against me."

      Funny, that's EXACTLY what we have. See Mandatory Binding Arbitration. And yes, people don't trust it, because there isn't even the pretense of due process, you lose by default by economic factors alone. Truth has nothing to do with it.

      " didn't know there were companies in the US that had the power to imprison a person for not complying with them. Please enlighten me as to what companies have the same coercive power as a government (or, as you put it, "worse")."

      What do you call a multi million civil judgment? A prison by another name since they now can directly take your money through garnishment. And you can't get out of it through bankruptcy. So your economic life is effectively over.

      "It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run corporations while at the same time trust the people who run governments, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people."

      With government elected officials, I can directly interact with them. With many corporations, I can't even interact with them in any way, unless I'm a corporation myself or ultra wealthy. Please explain to me how to boycott Dow Chemical, Goldman Sachs, Koch Industries? All of them are major players that are mostly B2B setups that effectively are immune to public opinion.

    59. Re:An alarmist view by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      This is all about consolidation of our media to a more "centralized" structure. You know the precursor to the state run that we always point to about OTHER countries that lack our "freedoms" This administration is openly hostile to free press, so any move they make will be filtered through that lens.

      Of course. If there are local market stations, it's a lot harder for Trump to cancel "NBC's broadcast license". Trump can't do it, neither can the FCC. What they CAN do is cancel every NBC affiliate's broadcast license. But with so many affiliates, it's a lot of work.

      The hope is that the networks will consolidate their stations to reduce costs, which means instead of having to cancel say, 500 NBC broadcast licenses, they can hope consolidation makes it say, 10 big stations. Much less work to cancel 10 licenses when the president feels he's been offended.

    60. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... at the same time trust the people who run governments ...

      Yes, the government has the guns but we're meant to have the power to replace those politicians who don't listen to us. That means getting rid of the politicians who protect the corporations, which doesn't happen in the USA.

    61. Re: An alarmist view by slinches · · Score: 2

      No, that's the government acting on behalf of the media companies. So, yes, it is a problem when companies can buy laws to entrench their business methods. From what I can tell, Libertarian philosophy agrees with that and seeks to reduce/distribute the power of government so that it can't be abused like that as easily.

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    62. Re: An alarmist view by psmoot · · Score: 1

      The difference is libertarian idiots scream loudly whenever the government might tell them what to do, and are stunningly silent when a corporation has that same power or worse.

      The libertarian perspective is that I can vote with my dollars or simply choose to not participate in broadcast media. I think most media companies care about dollars more than politicians care about votes. I also can't opt out of participating in a government edict.

      Personally I live in very Democratic districts and state (CA). None of my elected politicians has to give a rat's ass about my opinion. They know they'll get re-elected regardless of what I think.

      If I don't like what CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox/PBS is broadcasting through my local station, I can use DirecTV, Netflix, YouTube, Facebook, or any number of other media outlets. There's a ton of competition to keep companies honest and the most important competition isn't the other local stations. It's satellite and Internet streaming services.

    63. Re: An alarmist view by psmoot · · Score: 1

      Voters have direct control over who is their Government.

      I only have indirect control over who represents me in government. In practice, I have no control because I live in heavily partisan districts where the candidate from the Democratic party is virtually guaranteed to win.

      The only way to exercise that same control over the corporations is to have lots of money and buy the result you want. Corporations are more dangerous, because we have less control over them.

      There's a key difference. I can choose to not buy a product from any given corporation. No one can force me to watch NBC. There are very, very few situations where there really is an absolute monopoly over something you really must have. In fact, many people will assert such monopolies virtually never occur without some sort of government interference preventing competitors from entering the market. There's some logic to that. Once a company has a monopoly, they tend to get sloppy and try to earn exceptionally large profits, which provides a window for a competitor to come in and undercut them. I have no data to support or refute this assertion other than looking around and seeing competitors anywhere a government doesn't grant an exclusive monopoly.

    64. Re:An alarmist view by psmoot · · Score: 1

      When we lose local news and radio, we lose one more check against corporate control of information. Yes, your right that we already sort of lost it a long time ago, since groups kept buying up all the stations. I haven't kept up with local news lately, and that is a shame. I remember it covered local issues well. We need the small and independent voices.

      Amen brother. I'm entirely with you that having many small voices is a good thing. Having a local station which focuses on local issues is valuable. I can't affect things happening at the state or national level, but if I show up at a city counsel meeting, I might change some minds. As TV stations consolidate and fire local staff (which is what this is all about, getting rid of local facilities and staff), we will lose those voices.

      What I would hope is the station groups would figure out that having nothing but the national evening news isn't a very compelling product and that ratings will plunge when they implement it. Personally, I stopped watching the national TV news first and gave up watching local TV news last. In the mean time, I'll open the San Jose Local News YouTube channel to screw the national networks.

    65. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clear channel?

    66. Re: An alarmist view by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      Sure, the corporations support policies, but it's still ultimately a government court that sends them to prison. My point still stands: a corporation can't just show up at your door and drag you away to incarcerate you. Only the government can do that.

    67. Re: An alarmist view by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      it's still ultimately a government court that sends them to prison

      They can be bought too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    68. Re:An alarmist view by youngone · · Score: 1

      I don't live in the US, so it's not really my problem.
      No, I live in a country that has a whole TWO corporations running all the media, so we have proper competition.

    69. Re: An alarmist view by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      that's what I was referring to.

    70. Re: An alarmist view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh shit. Corporations can do that anytime they want. It's called hiring a lawyer, or some other Mafia-like security company. Same difference. The corporations now own the government, or hadn't you noticed? That's why you haven't had any control over who you elect for quite some time now.

    71. Re: An alarmist view by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

      They just hire security companies, like the Pinkertons to kill off the miners and their families in Ludlow, Colorado. There's even a memorial at the site with all the names of the dead. "The Ludlow Massacre was an attack by the Colorado National Guard and Colorado Fuel & Iron Company camp guards on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado, on April 20, 1914. About two dozen people, including miners' wives and children, were killed. The chief owner of the mine, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was widely criticized for the incident." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    72. Re: An alarmist view by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I didn't know there were companies in the US that had the power to imprison a person for not complying with them. Please enlighten me as to what companies have the same coercive power as a government (or, as you put it, "worse").

      Curiously, would you want to try to sue a corporation if you had to go through a special court owned and operated by said corporation? I'm guessing not. Yet if we sue the government, we are using a court system that is run under the same institution. Personally, I would rather not consolidate all the interested that could potentially act against me.

      It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run corporations while at the same time trust the people who run governments, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people.

      What will happen is that the global Radio network will enter the local market and provide both advertising at a lower cost and around 8 minutes per hour of local news. Want to know about church bazaars, or special activities. Forget it, instead you will get more tripe and propaganda than you could ever get in a dictatorship society.

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    73. Re: An alarmist view by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      And who issues the tough sentence for movie piracy? Hint: it's not the corporation.

  2. Russia...the FCC took the bait by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    time to reel in the catch

  3. Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

    The kids?

    Broadcast is already dead, it's just zombie media for now, same as dead tree.

    The RF spectrum still has value.

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    1. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by TimSSG · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yesterday, and get off my lawn. Tim S.

      When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      The kids?

      Broadcast is already dead, it's just zombie media for now, same as dead tree.

      The RF spectrum still has value.

    2. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Free-ish (and much fragmented) news outlets meddling with your belief set is still preferable than a mere handful of sources.

      On the fence? Consider, then, US; your two-party democracy.

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    3. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Ship has sailed. Broadcasters are 100% echo chambers.

      Multiple independent sources are important, but you won't find that on broadcast today or any time in the last 50 years.

      Strong crypto is our only hope at this point.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      The kids?

      Broadcast is already dead, it's just zombie media for now, same as dead tree.

      The RF spectrum still has value.

      Medium wave is virtually useless for anything we would think about using it for today. Short propagation during the day, and worldwide at night. Noisy as hell during the spring summer and fall as lightning strikes throw spikes all over the band.

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    5. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Free-ish (and much fragmented) news outlets meddling with your belief set is still preferable than a mere handful of sources.

      On the fence? Consider, then, US; your two-party democracy.

      In my area, there are only two corporations and a third group running every station. The third group is pseudo-non-profit religion outfits. You can tune across the band, and many of the stations are playing the exact same thing - pre recorded pop country, or pre recorded Pop Pop. On AM, it's crypto-conservatives and their conspiracy theories and fomenting revolution or just whining. I still listen to sports new, but that is becoming more advertisement than content.

      "He's dead Jim." Making it possible for one corporation in Brazil or Moscow to own 'em all ain't bringin' this corpse back to life.

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    6. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Yesterday, on the local channel that caries NPR and BBC. They still carry interesting interviews and, when they can, relevant news. I'm quite impressed with them and regularly put in a small contribution, though under a name and with credentials that protect me from the deluge of fundraising requests.

    7. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      There remains some value in the diversity of the news reports you're using to glean an opinion from, as long as you understand each viewpoint has an agenda behind it.

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    8. Re: Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's refreshing to think that part of the spectrum will always only be useful for AM broadcast. There's really nothing wrong with plain old AM broadcast. Even if not continued in use for audio programming, it could be used for local, or even regional distribution of broadsheets of general content. Everything does NOT need to be converted to peer-to-peer form and then asyncronously shuttled off every which way to individual nodes. Fuck your packets. Really, just fuck them.

    9. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      The kids?

      Broadcast is already dead, it's just zombie media for now, same as dead tree.

      The RF spectrum still has value.

      Antenna business is booming and an increasing number of people (myself included) are discovering how amazing broadcast TV is post ATSC and cable company price hikes.

    10. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      For radio, just about every day.

    11. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Yesterday, and nearly every day before that. Lots of cord cutters in the same crowd.

      I have 22 channels to choose from, and they keep adding more. I can go the internet at will, but the local news is on at the time I expect. Why stream that when I can buffer something else instead?

    12. Re: Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's refreshing to think that part of the spectrum will always only be useful for AM broadcast. There's really nothing wrong with plain old AM broadcast. Even if not continued in use for audio programming, it could be used for local, or even regional distribution of broadsheets of general content. Everything does NOT need to be converted to peer-to-peer form and then asyncronously shuttled off every which way to individual nodes. Fuck your packets. Really, just fuck them.

      I came to the RF world after spending a career in mostly digital (and art, weirdly enough). After a lot of study of RF propagation, it is really clear that the digital people - myself included - were lacking a clue about using wireless for digital. We have used the right band for most wifi systems. The 2 GHz neighborhood is the right combination of not sending a signal too far, but not suffering too much path loss. 5GHz is nice if you are in the room, but falls off rapidly. There are Hams who experiment with frequencies even above that, and have managed some impressive results, but the equipment is exotic, expensive, and achieved under good conditions, and in places like mountaintop to mountaintop.

      The best example of money trying to refute physics is Broadband over power line, or BPL. This was supposed to provide DSL level service to people that would come right into their house with the mains power, none of that messy crap of installs. When initially proposed, the knowledgeable RF community went nuts. This isn't going to work. The Power lines will act like antennas, and spew interference all over the neighborhoods they are in. Amateurs and others protested. One of the uses of HF is for passenger planes traversing the poles, it is pretty much the only reliable communications source for them.

      But the money trumps physics crowd would have none of this. Every problem was met with guffaws, and "solutions" were enabled. The digital signals couldn't survive going through the transformer outside the house, so they were piggybacked onto the highest voltage line available, and a device was added to pass the digital signals, but not the power, then attached to the downside of the transformer. My questions as to how failsafe this was were unanswered, imagine getting your household wiring and appliances getting hit with a couple thousand volts!

      And filters were added, but it still interfered with Amateurs and the airlines. The areas where this was deployed were RF noisy.

      In a last ditch effort, that tried to have the rules reversed. In normal world, unlicensed devices are not allowed to interfere with licensed devices. They tried to change it so that Amateurs, airlines and any other users of the HF spectrum were not allowed to interfer with unlicensed devices, covered under "Part 15". At the time, our legislatures and the FCC still had some sense of physics, and vetoed that.

      The final nail was that the signal was comically easy to wipe out. Some dude with his CB radio running 5 watts could knock the signal off the air for blocks. Kids with 1 watt Walkie talkies could. Hams with high power equipment could knock out a small city.

      I fully concur that the AM broadcast band should be left alone. It is unstable in terms of propagation, and it's properties don't lend themselves to anything much other than what it is doing now.

      But knowing that at the present time, Money and ideology believes that it can violate the laws of physics and win, so I can hardly wait until they try to use Broadcast band RF for local wifi.

      Anyhow, the topic of RF propagation is fascinating, and I could bore people for hours with how different frequencies bounce around, but I've typed too much already.

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    13. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      Last and every time I have to visit my baby boomer parents, with the volume turned up so loud I have to sit in a different room to not have it be painful.

    14. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure, but how many 'standard D party line' outlets are required? We've got CNN, makes ABC, CBS and NBC redundant. We've got MSNBC, makes NPR redundant.

      Maybe if economics forced them to have some diversity of opinion, but for now, they can die and nothing will be lost.

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    15. Re: Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I said the spectrum has value. I didn't suggest particular uses for it.

      AM radio spectrum has little value. VHF TV had little as well. UHF TV spectrum on the other hand is pretty damn useful.

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    16. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You support your chosen echo chamber. We're all impressed...

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    17. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      > When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      Yesterday

      > same as dead tree.

      You mean the same dead trees that are springing up as free dailies? Or the supposedly dead print books that are experiencing a resurgence?

      I'd still rather have the option of listening to some local news rather than getting info from multinational conglomerates or paid Russian Facebook posts.

    18. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by mwooldri · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that longwave, medium wave and shortwave bands can benefit from going digital. Digital Radio Mondiale was developed specifically for these lower frequencies, to cut through a lot of the noise and make the radio experience on LF, MF and HF more like listening on VHF. Of course there will be propagation issues but digitalization is an answer to some but not all of the problems.

    19. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you watched/listened to broadcast?

      Yesterday, and get off my lawn.

      Why would you subject yourself to that crap? I hate to be That Onion Guy, but I have not watched broadcast or cable TV in 30 years now. I heard "Friends" was really popular relatively recently. Happy Days, and Fantasy Island used to be popular not that long ago...

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    20. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Better redundancy than a NASA space mission.

      FWIW: you'd more likely catch me having sex on the back of an angry bear than wearing a MAGA cap, but CNN has really gone full tilt liberal since before the President was elected.

      CNN used to be the closest thing to a moderate national news outlet that we had access to, but alas, the least of the advertising revenues must be found in the middle of the damn road.

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    21. Re:Kill the dinosaurs and reuse the spectrum. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that longwave, medium wave and shortwave bands can benefit from going digital. Digital Radio Mondiale was developed specifically for these lower frequencies, to cut through a lot of the noise and make the radio experience on LF, MF and HF more like listening on VHF. Of course there will be propagation issues but digitalization is an answer to some but not all of the problems.

      The problem is that propagation. I have communicated around the world on a watt of power when propagation is right. In to New Zealand and Australia - so far away, I wasn't sure exactly which diection the signal took. And on the other end, when geomagnetic storms hit, the band goes dead silent. DRM is subject to the same effects. And then there is the matter of error correction at HF. I am working at present on these issues, and there aren't any good answers yet.

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  4. I, for one... by dfn5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... welcome our regulation free media overlords.

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    1. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Grandpa Munster Al Lewis once said, "Fuck the FCC!"

  5. Ajit Pai is a cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    fuck that fucking fucker.

    1. Re: Ajit Pai is a cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are correct, but there must be more emphasis on what a cunt this cunt really is.

      I am truly upset and a bit teary. Mock me all you want.

    2. Re: Ajit Pai is a cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we should make "Ajit" synonomous with #2.

      "I just dropped a massive Ajit Pai. Don't go in there for a week."

    3. Re: Ajit Pai is a cunt by tbannist · · Score: 1

      I thought that was already taken:
      "I just trumped in that toilet. You do not want to go in there."

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    4. Re: Ajit Pai is a cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that we have hit a point where an AC can make that comment and get modded up as insightful. Not because it signifies a positive environment, but because it signifies that there are at least a few thinking individuals that see what an utter failure Ajit Pai is as an official.

  6. This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The rule is obsolete, dating back to 1940 before the massive expansion of networks like NBC, ABC, and the others that have formed since then. Although the stations are locally owned, they affiliate with the networks to gain access to programming that increases ratings. However, that gives the networks substantial control over the operation of those stations such that they are hardly independent. The difference between networks like NBC and CNN versus a conglomerate like Sinclair is that Sinclair isn't directly producing programming or running news operations. NBC and CNN have repeatedly been caught peddling fake news that is disseminated through the local stations that depend on those affiliations. Expanding the conglomerates gives financial independence to the local stations through more financial stability to push back against fake news networks like NBC and CNN. We should be very concerned about fake news manipulating our elections, so any policy change that gives the market more power to resist fake news is something that we should support.

    1. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by lucm · · Score: 1

      We should be very concerned about fake news manipulating our elections, so any policy change that gives the market more power to resist fake news is something that we should support.

      I agree. The old system was a way to divide and conquer. Now it will level the playing field

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    2. Re: This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Need to turn off the Faux news and go outside

    3. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that I don't see how this is going to give more independence to local stations - if anything, it takes away the only reason that the stations were still there in the face of conglomerates taking over the network. If the networks will no longer need the local stations, what will keep the local stations there? Goodwill and donations from the public?

    4. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >The old system was a way to divide and conquer

      and how is that different?

      >Now it will level the playing field

      this does the opposite.

      go back to sleep.

    5. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by ewhac · · Score: 1

      The difference between networks like NBC and CNN versus a conglomerate like Sinclair is that Sinclair isn't directly producing programming or running news operations.

      False, and false.

      Sinclair produces "must-run" segments to be incorporated into news programming, including a blatantly fear-mongering "Terrorism Alert Desk" segment, and odious editorial segments from the Backpfeifengesicht-worthy Mark Hyman and Boris Epstein.

      Some local stations have (so far) managed to sideline these propagandistic videos to the wee hours of the morning where they won't be seen, but it's easy to anticipate new edicts being handed down from corporate requiring their shit to be broadcast in prime time.

      John Oliver covered this fairly well: https://youtu.be/GvtNyOzGogc

    6. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by lucm · · Score: 1

      There shouldn't be different rules for "new" media and traditional ones.

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    7. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by omnichad · · Score: 1

      dating back to 1940 before the massive expansion of networks like NBC, ABC, and the others that have formed since then

      This is exactly what was foreseen. I think you forget that NBC was a radio company long before 1940. It was easy to see what would happen.

    8. Re:This is necessary and the rule is obsolete by cmaurand · · Score: 1

      No there won't. There won't be a local office to push back.

  7. Sinclair is a propaganda company by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are the US broadcast equivalent of Silvio Berlusconi's broadcast companies.

    1. Re: Sinclair is a propaganda company by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      Such fucking bullshit. The fact that you added Infowars indicates you can't tell the difference between bias in news and out right lies.

  8. Bad subject by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it's right to call yourself "alarmist". I mean, whether it's state-run or just run directly by the corporations who control the politicians, it's definitely a move to centralize control in a few people's hands. That's just obvious.

    The very least we can do is call this "realistic", "forward looking" or "awake". To call it "alarmist" is to undercut how certain the outcome is.

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  9. Really? by YuppieScum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "NBC and CNN have repeatedly been caught peddling fake news..."

    Have they really? Can you cite some, or indeed any, examples? Please be aware, news is not "fake" just because someone who doesn't like it says so.

    Anyway, the only people this action will serve well are those who have a vested interest in reducing the number of independent news reporting sources.

    This is going to have the same effect on local news as the consolidation of local newspapers had - true reporting replaced by slightly-localised standard content.

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    1. Re:Really? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      "NBC and CNN have repeatedly been caught peddling fake news..."

      Have they really? Can you cite some, or indeed any, examples? Please be aware, news is not "fake" just because someone who doesn't like it says so.

      Every outfit accidentally gives incorrect news from time to time. Almost always with an admission and correction But today's crypto-conservatives claim anything that they disagree with is fake news.

      But we must remember, the with noting that the fellow didn't add th incredibly fair and balanced Fox News, so he believes that Germany is sunnier than the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... With no retraction, this is apparently the real deal.

      The Fake News bullshit is merely projection upon the part of Boris and his fifth column in the US.

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    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice one Ivan, replying with a list of fake new sites. I hope your are sarcastic. The only other explanation would be that you are incredibly stupid

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) "Ivan" ? ..now there's your fake news, the Russia connection.
      2) Just because you don't like being proven wrong, you can't just dismiss facts. These sites are certainly biased right, but that doesn't disqualify their content on this subject.

      Here are a few:

      False Story 1: CNN Reports Hands Up, Don’t Shoot

      False Story 2: CNN Falsely Claims Sherelle Smith Was ‘Calling For Peace’

      False Story 3: CNN Says It’s Illegal To Look At Wikileaks

      False Story 4: CNN Says Rape Is Pre-Existing Condition Under ACHA

      That's just the tip of the iceberg.

      Or how about when NBC doctored the 911 call from Zimmerman to omit when the operator *asked* for a description of Treyvon Martin, slewing Zimmerman's motivation for his neighborhood watch.

      You're an utter idiot if you don't see the massive bias in CNN and other the media outlets, they can't even deny it anymore.
      None of them are objective anymore.

    4. Re:Really? by cmaurand · · Score: 1

      wow. take a look at all the fake news sources in that list.

    5. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail so hard. Did you even read any of those links?

      You posted a bunch of no name right wing websites that call out left wing websites for fake news, but then given no examples. You posted links to fake news to shine a light on fake news. Great job there Mr low user ID.

    6. Re:Really? by steveha · · Score: 1

      Can you cite some, or indeed any, examples?

      Here's an article listing ten recent instances where CNN reported fake news. With citations for everything.

      http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/23/10-times-cnn-told-us-an-apple-was-a-banana/

      I couldn't find anything quite as convenient as the above story for MSNBC, but here's a wikipedia page about MSNBC controversies. Multiple of the controversies are related to fake or dishonest news, such as a video of Mitt Romney edited in a deceptive way by MSNBC news itself.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies

      P.S. Here's a story from February listing 16 fake news stories. Some were CNN, some other outlets.

      http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/16-fake-news-stories-reporters-have-run-since-trump-won/

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    7. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... what a shock. Your examples are from CNN in the USA. What about the Faux News examples? There are too many to list. For a sample see: https://www.mediamatters.org/

      Now on the topic of this thread. The problem with local television consolidation is that it will destroy local news and investigative reporting of say, the local county council, or in our area, airport commission misconduct. They will consolidate to save personnel and operational costs (studios, electricity, etc.). And this will actually be bad for "the truth" that you may or may not believe.

  10. In the NE and PNW and even in the south... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people typically vote locally for Democrats, so removing local control hurts the Party. I know where I live in SC, the people here are about 80% Democrat, but vote nationally for Republicans, because seriously who in the South would vote for Mondale, Dukakis, or Gore (since we know him well since he's from TN). This hurts us.

  11. Just formalizing reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thereâ(TM)s very few companies that own high or medium power local tv stations. This just makes formal what has already happened over the past 30 years.

  12. First side effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Expect about 50% of all local DJs to get fired as they consolidate to national coverage.

    1. Re:First side effect? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 2

      50%? You mean 98%. It will be one national market. New TV will be "slightly" more local than radio and TV, but not much. TV will only be local in the sense of sports and even then, might not be enough in many venues to cover a poorly performing local team vs a national favorite (say in Football, the Cowboys, Packers, or Patriots)... I mean, sorry for Browns, Bengals, or Lions, but the advertisers will pay more to show other games.

      And good luck with the news outside of maybe 6 major venues around the country (New York, DC, Dallas, Chicago, LA, Atlanta), the rest of you are going to lose out big time....

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  13. Oh... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Color me surprised, yet another move from Ajit Pai against societies' best interest and for corporations and conglomerates to fill their pockets. Wow, who would've thought.
    And of course it comes right after a huge string of natural disasters that killed people all around and destroyed property everywhere, where the role of local media played an important role on informing people of what's happening.
    I'm sure nothing bad will come out of it, such as local broadcasting stations being sold left and right, closing doors and abandoning the communities they had a presence and important role as source of information. Nonono.

    1. Re:Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Ajit is the almighty puppet of corporate media... and with this he puts in concrete another step in his well-guided plan to rob the American people of this raggedly abused concept called "choice"

      I watched this TV series a few years ago.. but every month and every year I'm starting to side with the bad guys.. even after recognizing that Rachel Nichols is so hawt it shouldn't matter.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954347/

    2. Re:Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The local media is largely consolidated already. What this will do is make it way cheaper for the few companies that already run most of it by making it so they can produce it in one central location.

    3. Re:Oh... by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      Could be an opportunity for communities to stand together and buy their local stations keep them out of the influence of corporate control permanently....?
      Money where our mouths are, etc...

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  14. Thanks for vaccinating the other democracies by sandbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...against these grand experiments.

    The USA got rid of the fairness doctrine that required standards in news gathering and broadcasting and look at the result. Now you'll have gated access to the internet so that news becomes even more corporatized and with no local coverage, you could have hurricanes ripping up the district before the studio a time zone or two away decides to see if they can get someone with a cell phone to do a live hit.

    Great.

    Your electorate will be less informed than ever.

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    1. Re:Thanks for vaccinating the other democracies by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      Why should the electorate be informed? That would make it harder to get unqualified people elected. Such as why education funding keeps getting cut.

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    2. Re:Thanks for vaccinating the other democracies by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Actually it seemed pretty damn easy to get someone unqualified elected last year.

    3. Re:Thanks for vaccinating the other democracies by Xyrus · · Score: 2

      It all started with Fox News winning cases for being an "entertainment" company as opposed to a news organization. It's pretty much all gone downhill from there.

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  15. The numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    âoeoverwhelming majorityâ

    9 out of 10 bot posts agree

  16. What? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    What's "radio"? Is it that thing in my car that plays commercials when I turn it on?

    1. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's that thing with the aux port. So you can play YouTube playlists in the car. And the mobile app auto skips ads, a little later than I would but whatever...
      Beats listening to the whole damn ad.

    2. Re:What? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      It's the integral component to your cell phone, wi-fi, and your garage door opener. You really should know this unless you want to start running wires to all those things.

  17. Don't bitch about the FCC by eclectro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a conservative, I think this decision is a horrid one that is made more out of ideology rather than good government. It follows from the incorrect conclusion that because companies can merge to form larger conglomerations, why can't radio stations do so too?

    Even though the FCC voted for this, ultimately the buck stops with congress and they are the ones that need to be held accountable. With republicans who don't understand the dangers, or with the Democrats who are so impotent because they are burdened down with social agendas to the point everybody who does not live on the east/west coast won't vote for them.

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    1. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It honestly does not make one bit of difference. They are already consolidated. They have been for years. NPR is just as bad. NPR is where I discovered this banana.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a conservative, I think this decision is a horrid one that is made more out of ideology rather than good government.

      Well, that's what passes for conservatism these days, Corporatism. There is money to be made on the way down.

      With republicans who don't understand the dangers, or with the Democrats who are so impotent because they are burdened down with social agendas to the point everybody who does not live on the east/west coast won't vote for them.

      Well then, we get corporatism, and let me know how that works out for the people who live in the middle. And you are wrong about Republicans in office not knowing the dangers. They do not give a flying fsck about the dangers. There's a lot of money to be made, so get out of the way.

      As long as they can get some poor sod to vote for them, they line their pockets with money from the corporations that they actually work for. They do not even hide that any more. If Joe six Pack will vote for people who are going to give themselves big tax breaks, and throw millions of them off of a admittedly flawed healthcare system with no replacement, and can do it by reusing the same old tropes, then those people do deserve to lose their money, and go bankrupt if they have a big healthcare bill. Good for them. Because that's what they voted for, and must be exactly what they want to happen to them.

      But seriously, Modern Republicans aren't conservatives, they are corporatists. There is a huge difference. I wish Barry Goldwater would ressurect from the grave and drive the corrupt out of the temple.

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    3. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With republicans who don't understand the dangers, or with the Democrats who are so impotent because they are burdened down with social agendas to the point everybody who does not live on the east/west coast won't vote for them.

      Holy false equivalence Batman. "Blame both of them, those horrible conman who got the job by offering to work for less than going rates, and the good employees who didn't underbid them"

      Or, more accurately, I blame conservatives. Those who are so horrified about some social agenda that they keep voting for the asshole who enable this in Congress.

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    4. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With republicans who don't understand the dangers, or with the Democrats who are so impotent because they are burdened down with social agendas to the point everybody who does not live on the east/west coast won't vote for them.

      Holy false equivalence Batman. "Blame both of them, those horrible conman who got the job by offering to work for less than going rates, and the good employees who didn't underbid them"

      Or, more accurately, I blame conservatives. Those who are so horrified about some social agenda that they keep voting for the asshole who enable this in Congress.

      Screw that, blame all voters who eff up, myself included.
      Advice? Any candidate of any party who uses FUD well, don't vote for them. EOS (endofstory).

    5. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Noticing a pattern here? Why is there no middle?

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    6. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It honestly does not make one bit of difference. They are already consolidated. They have been for years. NPR is just as bad. NPR is where I discovered this banana.

      Those links sums it up and destroys just about every argument posted so far.

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    7. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It is also the great contradiction that calls itself the GOP. They are all for local government, because local knows the issues better than the national government, but local business doesn't know better than national conglomerates...

      They are for keeping the government out of their homes, except they want it in their bedrooms and bathrooms checking the right people use the right toilet and sleep with the right sex.

      They want prayer in school, as long as it is not some other religion's prayer.

      They want less taxes, as long as those who get the tax break are the ones who have the most disposable income in the world.


      The party shoudln't be called Republicans, it should be called Hypocrites.

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    8. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      1-Corporations wouldn't be pushing for a rule change if they didn't think they could cut costs or increase income sufficient to pay for the effort several times over. 2-Government doesn't lift a finger unless pushed.

    9. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Agreed. A Jit Pie is a corporatist through and through, which will only serve to make capitalism look bad, and convince impressionable millennials that socialism or even communism is better. Capitalism works the best, but only when it's tempered and balanced by a modicum of gov't oversight and regulation to prevent monopolies from forming or conspiracies/collusion from occuring. The tricky thing is where to draw the very fine line with the regulation: it's easy to do too little, and just as easy to do too much, and both extremes are bad.
      I'm not happy with his appointment at all.

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    10. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that like the Republicans, the Democrats are also burdened with all those campaign contributions.

    11. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      This is what I've been saying for a while. The Repulican party hasn't been "Republican" for quite some time. It's now become some sort of far right wing corporatists/neo-fascist group hell bent and bending the nation over for their own profit.

      Seriously, can you imagine someone like Reagan being in the RINO party today? Do you think Reagan would support a man shaped turd like Trump? There's no way. There are maybe a handful of true Republicans left in congress, and they're under full attack by their own party because they can't in good conscience support the chaos and sociopathy brought on by these RINOs.

      I laugh every time I here a Trump supporter say, "Wait, I didn't want this!". Do you not research people you vote for? What in Trump's history would have made anyone think he would be a competent moral president? "I just didn't want Hillary!" So you choose a well known narcissistic sociopathic asshole instead? What kind of logical reasoning is that?

      Whatever. Hope all those red-staters are enjoying their "winning".

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    12. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by strikethree · · Score: 0

      Or, more accurately, I blame conservatives. Those who are so horrified about some social agenda that they keep voting for the asshole who enable this in Congress.

      Playing the partisan blame game is a losing proposition. The only choices anyone has is between two variations of evil. Sure, you could vote for the "less evil" candidate (whichever one you think that is) but you are STILL VOTING FOR EVIL.

      So yeah, conservatives may be to blame in this particular instance; however, evil is evil. Nothing good comes out of it.

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    13. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This is what I've been saying for a while. The Repulican party hasn't been "Republican" for quite some time. It's now become some sort of far right wing corporatists/neo-fascist group hell bent and bending the nation over for their own profit.

      The pump was primed during the 8 years that O'Blama was in office, when a segment of the country went totally batshit insane at the concept of a president they were told was a muslim, and not even an American citizen. And they bought it. And egged on by Fox, they assembled, and in record numbers voted for teh very symbol of what they claimed to be against. I mean seriously, I have zero sympathy for anyone who voted for Republicans if they lose their healthcare. I think it's a shame if they die because of it, but can only assume that they die for their ideology, die for MAGA, and are at peace with their demise. I really laugh though at a trump voter who becomes stuck in a job they hate because no one will insure them if they leave because of a pre-existing condition. Tough titty cupcake, you got what you voted for. Now bask in your victory.

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    14. Re:Don't bitch about the FCC by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      you are STILL VOTING FOR EVIL..

      I actually really like my representative. But most people do.

      But even if you're "voting for evil", fuck you child. You have a choice between two options. If you refuse to choose, or choose the worse one, you're fucking up.

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  18. This sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Part of the social contract for being able to use precious spectrum exclusively (spectrum is considered a public resource) is to provide a public service. That service is inherently local by the nature of radio propagation. Removing the local requirement just turns stations into glorified corporate repeaters providing no service to the communities whose spectrum they occupy.

    This is yet another violation of the public commons by amoral corporate douchebags, same as endless copyrights.

  19. What is fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd argue all three most certainly are.

    Talking heads shitting out half-truths while muttering under their breath somethingsomethingsomething opinion...

    Yeah, sorry, but that isn't news.

    "An anonymous source" isn't news. "Trump expected to..." based on nothing isn't news. And yeah, Fox is definitely in the running here, because they pull the same shit on the party their viewers dislike.

    Journalism, verily. Might be what these people went to school for, but they're every one of them working in entertainment.

    1. Re:What is fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue all three most certainly are.

      Talking heads shitting out half-truths while muttering under their breath somethingsomethingsomething opinion...

      Yeah, sorry, but that isn't news.

      "An anonymous source" isn't news. "Trump expected to..." based on nothing isn't news. And yeah, Fox is definitely in the running here, because they pull the same shit on the party their viewers dislike.

      Journalism, verily. Might be what these people went to school for, but they're every one of them working in entertainment.

      I'd tent to stick with fake news being something like pizzagate. I.E. where the story was made up largely or completely out of whole cloth. Opinion that doesn't pretend to be anything other than opinion is not fake news. Of course if to support the opinions fake facts are made up, then that is fake news. Of course when you have fake news created by a foreign government to change the leader of a nation state to who they prefer, well that has another name. That could be called an act of war. Certainly if they changed leaders by way of assassination it would be and the result is the same.

      Anonymous sources are exactly that. You always doubt them to a point and just go by the reputation of the source. Stories reported that way could be fake. We don't know. If you have several news outlets reporting the same story via anonymous sources you have more credibility, but again still no certainty. Much of the chaos sources like CNN reports later gets confirmed, though I'd agree they need to back off the anonymous sources save for truly exceptional circumstances. There is plenty of news without them.

      Basically a lot of news might be poor quality, needlessly sensational, slanted, etc, but I still think we need to keep news that is entirely made up as something separate, lest we lose the feel of how serious it is. Think about it. The twitter account of the son of the National Security advisor retweeted that Hillary was involved in a child sex ring ran out of a pizza parlor, and that guy was later confirmed in that position. Now it is possible it really was the son, in which case apparently those are the values taught in that house. I tend to suspect it was Flynn, but who knows. This was hardly the only example. Trump's circle was apparently regularly retweeting Russian trolls. Now, these are intelligent and knowledgeable people that know how to check something for accuracy.

      They almost certainly knew what they were sending out was flat out lies. They simply didn't care and this is the timbre of people we put in power, and that Bob Corker, Jeff Flake, and all the rest are even now sounding the alarm for. We need to keep the distinction of fake news to something that is clearly fake, lest we miss the call to attention when it happens again, for it will happen again. The battle today is less about the power of explosives, but the power of information, and the manipulation thereof. It will happen again. It almost certainly already is happening. Problems will be addressed. Methods will be developed to better obfuscate what is happening. It also need not be Russia. I wouldn't be at all surprised if America starts doing it, if they aren't already.

      Ultimately it is up to us all to be vigilant.

    2. Re: What is fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you weaponize Jeff Flake in your arguement you lose most of your credibility outside your echo chamber. And yes, we ALL spend too much time worrying about how well we resonate in our echo chambers. It's a big problem for all of us.

    3. Re:What is fake news? by multi+io · · Score: 1, Informative

      Insightful posting targeted by weaponized moderation detected. Mod the parent up, please.

    4. Re:What is fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States is already up to this as well as many other nation-states. The relevant search term is "psy ops".

    5. Re:What is fake news? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I'd tent to stick with fake news being something like pizzagate

      Except it isn't.

      Once you stop acting like a fundie and giving journalists blind trust, it's trivial to find examples of them misleading you or just making shit up entirely.

      This is especially easy in this age where the media of the entire planet is at your finger tips. You can even use Google translate to read the bits that aren't in English. There's really no good excuse not to employ multiple overlapping news sources.

      Even before the media's current decline it was always obvious that journalists didn't know shit. All it required is knowing about whatever subject they were writing about.

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    6. Re:What is fake news? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention the Russian dossier on Trump ("pissgate") that was funded by the Clinton Foundation.
      These people were very nearly put in power.

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    7. Re: What is fake news? by k2r · · Score: 1

      How much does Putin pay to you?
      Asking for a friend...

    8. Re: What is fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL I'm guessing the same amount as they paid the Wall Street Journal and the the Washington Post.

    9. Re: What is fake news? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Oh that's hilarious. It's the Left that increasingly thinks communism is wonderful; you're the guys in bed with Russia if anyone.
      You're the ones who want tight government control of everything and integration with the press. Just like Russia.

      Here it is right from one of biggest leftist mouthpieces there is, the WaPo.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    10. Re:What is fake news? by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      So you're saying it's bad when a candidate's campaign works with foreign operatives to influence an election?

    11. Re:What is fake news? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I didn't say either way, I was talking about fake news. The "dossier" is one such example.

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  20. Pandora by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's interesting, because just a couple days ago I noticed a small town near here with their own low-power radio station. When it gave station identification it was Pandora Media (I think the "Media" part was right) and it didn't have a human DJ - it was a male synthesized voice. With this ruling I think we'll see this sort of thing pop up everywhere - small low-power FM stations serving small areas that are 100% automated. That will be profitable because the FCC won't require staff in person at the stations.

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    1. Re:Pandora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know that this is even a real change, though. There's an old radio studio on my way to work- 30 years ago it had a single set of call letters on the outside. Now they've got at least 8, and whereas you used to be able to see humans in the two control rooms that face the street, I'd be hard pressed to confirm that anybody actually works there at all these days. Whatever local presence these stations have today is a fiction at best.

    2. Re:Pandora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it is kinda being done already. I live in the Metro Atlanta Georgia area and last March or April I was off for the afternoon and driving around listening to Rock 100.5 in Atlanta. Well, except it had the same woman afternoon DJ but she was reading out yesterdays news for Chicago. How I knew because she was saying that the radio station was giving out Cubs tickets for tomorrows first game with such and so. And that first game was that day. Some how tapes/hard drives got switched.

      When Project 96.1 was here in Atlanta I knew the afternoon DJ Aly. She is now on Radio 105.7. Actually she is on my answering machine at my house too. But she did afternoon's for several radio stations around the country that she records the day before. She said the one rule is you never mention anything about the weather. So, If your DJ never says anything about the days weather, it is all recorded the day before anyway from somewhere other than you are.

  21. Where it's at by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's what this story is really about: The Sinclair Broadcast Group.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/10/...

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  22. Hmm... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    He said the "overwhelming majority" of public input favored the elimination of the rule, ...

    I imagine that "public input" doesn't necessarily mean "the public".

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    1. Re:Hmm... by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      He means the botnet he paid to write agreeing posts for him.

  23. Ajit Pai is right by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

    iHeartMedia radio stations can finally close down the NAPA studios, the McDonald's Weather Center and the Dunham Sports Desk since they were such money pits and were so outdated.

    At least they'll recoup their huge losses over the decades by Selling the Kohl's Traffic Copter since the Ford Fusion Traffic Report is no more.

  24. If they'd just eliminate this OTHER rule ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they'd just eliminate the rule that a single entity can't own broadcast stations in enough markets to have a potential audience of more than about a third of the population, it would be possible to buy up cheap or failing little UHF stations and create new networks.

    THAT rule is essentially anti-competitive anti-upstart protection for the old networks, which are primarily contracted programming services for a collection of separately-owned stations and groups of stations. It's why you don't see a lot of new network upstarts, and things like CNN and Fox News only/initially happened on cable - despite a vast underserved viewership.

    (In CNN's case it was people who wanted actual news reporting, after the major networks' news organizations decided the viewers really wanted news-like entertainment. In Fox News' case it was people who wanted to hear conservative viewpoints (conspicuous by their absence on mainstream media) once CNN had sold out to the left-leaning mainstream - first figuratively, then literally. There's been room for a new one since the lead-in to the 2012 presidential election, when Fox News went all-in for the neocon faction of the R side, abandoning the libertarian, paleo-conservatve, religious-right, and perhaps a few smaller, factions.)

    Such an effort doesn't need to be restricted to just the rich, by the way. Imagine crowd-funded news networks. B-)

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    1. Re:If they'd just eliminate this OTHER rule ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Such an effort doesn't need to be restricted to just the rich, by the way. Imagine crowd-funded news networks. B-)

      Isn't NPR/PBS crowdfunded?

    2. Re:If they'd just eliminate this OTHER rule ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? You haven't heard of Gray Television, or Sinclair, or Meredith? Or maybe Berkshire Hathaway?

      Arguing that these guys are chomping at the bit to create new networks, but that there's something standing in the way, is simply ludicrous. No more based in reality than the notion that 'cheap or failing little UHF stations' can be bought on the cheap with so many bidders already out there.

      More to the point, you do realize that CNN and Fox News are channels and not networks right?

    3. Re:If they'd just eliminate this OTHER rule ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      you do realize that CNN and Fox News are channels and not networks right?

      Yes - at least partially.

      CNN, for instance, has also provided programming for broadcast stations. There is (or was? haven't checked lately) an AM outlet in San Jose CA that ran the audio from CNN as its programming.

      And that also supports my point: They're both news channels and providers of content to some contracted broadcast (and other) outlets (which makes them "networks"). Think how much easier it would be to build what you'd recognize as a "network" by just buying up, or getting new licenses for, stations that cover the bulk of the population and just networking them.

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  25. How will reducing costs benefit me or you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will reducing costs benefit me or you?

  26. What do you want? It's a dying format by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Expense of physical infrastructure is already considerable compared to some AWS compute instances for Internet radio, who can afford payroll for every local station that people only listen to in the car? This way broadcast radio can be at least supported for a while longer. What we need is a good automated emergency broadcast system that authorities can use to provide information during natural disasters.

  27. If you want bad stuff like this to stop by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    you need to take care of your working class. Otherwise folks like Trump will continue to take advantage of their desperation to get stuff like this through. Everytime a tech worker looked down on a blue collar guy for not 'updating' their skills you're playing right into the hands of the folks that made this happen. Congrats.

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    1. Re:If you want bad stuff like this to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time a mainstreamer who got into tech for the money buys into the media message about what tech is doing to everyone else

      etc cetera.

      The delivery method is also part of the problem. How do we stop blaming people for things 3rd parties have asked us to project onto them?

      HOW DO WE STOP PEOPLE LIKE YOU CLAIMING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF A HOMOGENEOUS MASS THAT EXISTS PRIMARILY IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT A CONVENIENT AGGREGATE TO BLAME?

    2. Re:If you want bad stuff like this to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard when the working class with outdated skills and no work prospects are the ones who overwhelmingly vote against social safety nets in favor of tax cuts for the rich, against health care in order to have the "freedom" to choose to go into debt for one small hospital visit, regularly vote against education and retraining programs, etc.

      But yeah, mah freedoms and mah guns, right guys?

    3. Re:If you want bad stuff like this to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... need to take care of your working class.

      Who will do it? The USA banned socialism long ago, then when unionism failed, the biggest unionist essentially proclaimed "only rich people can save us". It's a failed ideology enforced by the Republican party for over 35 years, with no-one to undo the damage.

  28. Credible news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok so CNN NBC ABC is fake and we know FOX news is the Nazis propaganda station - what actually is credible news? I mean usually the nuts screaming fake news somehow believe the joke nutcase Infowars or Klan in Breitbart or anti-fa democracy now - someone got some actual good news sources?

    1. Re:Credible news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no single credible news source. But don't pretend like it hasn't always been this way. The Hearst newspapers dragged the U.S. into a war with Spain to sell papers. Walter Cronkite and Edward R Morrow peddled bias free reporting while supporting globalism. CNN went all in for Obama and FOX all in for Trump. (They had a lot of help pushing Trump in the election until all the other stations discovered, to their fears, that he actually might win.)
      In the early 20th century, when media was primarily newspapers every town had their array of "honest" news. There was the Democratic paper, the Republican paper, the socialist paper, the communist paper, the German paper, the Italian paper, the Catholic Worker, and dozens of others. All selling their own view of the world and what as "true" and "news" and what wasn't worth reporting.

  29. the u.s. federal government.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a government of the corporations, for the corporations, bought by the corporations.

  30. "Overwhelming Majority" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Of the public i have spoken to... who work as executives for media companies... who are the only people i ever actually listen to... and they are also members of the public... so this is a public consultation"

    Which seems absurd from an external point of view but we're assured makes total sense if you're a media executive. You just need to know the field better, and will understand more when you have more experience in the industry.

    Which is totally not a threat, mind you. You enjoy working here, right?

  31. I for one by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new oligarchy overlords.

    (this post paid for Citizens for Oligarchy Council, Inc)

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  32. Nothing ever changes by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    "The problem with the corporation is that they have neither souls to damn nor necks to hang"
    Allegedly Benjamin Franklin.

  33. Correction by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    it will free up funds for stations to spend on staff and programming.

    You misspelled "owners", "hookers", and "blow".

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  34. State-run... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can mean the incumbent government is running the stations as well as the government. A Fascist or Oligarchy based regime can do this by using control of the government to reinforce control of the media and vice versa. That doesn't mean it has to be 'state run' in the traditional sense of 'state owned' media, and while some of the most obvious examples are, plenty of other examples internationally are not.

  35. Having polled my friends, including... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the 'liberal' amongst bible belters. They all voted for Trump, either because they thought Clinton was MORE corrupt, or because they thought it would send a message to the establishment in a way that voting third party wouldn't have.

    Given the FTTP voting style of Americans and the two party 'opposing football team' mentality, Americans are going to be easily gamed until they are all speaking Chinese or Russia on the way down to third world poverty (assuming the Great Culling doesn't come first as a result of automation and the wealthy wishing to clear up land so either they can have more land, or there can be more estates for those who have joined the wealthy.)

    The only solution that would've shown true rebellion against the status quo was both the Green and Libertarian candidates getting 5-10 percent of the vote and getting on the federal funding bandwagon next election, because that would have split the required corporate financing 4 ways, not including multiple candidates for each party. The alternative would be the dissolution of the Electoral College (which given Trump's win has failed at its mission statement and thus has no reason for existence) and a move to a wholly popular vote (personall I would rather see a supermajority required for a presidential candidate to be sworn in rather than just the highest number of votes/sufficient electoral college votes. If he's not a leader for the super majority, then he's just oppression by a minority, like both Trump AND Clinton would have been if they had won, since neither had more than 50 percent of the voting populace's votes, nevermind an actual majority of all Americans votes.)

    America's democracy has always been a sham, but most people have not studied its history enough to understand the hows or whys or what methods were used to keep the oppression strong.

    1. Re:Having polled my friends, including... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 1

      The irony about "sending a message to the establishment" needs to be explained to them...

      If voting for Trump was really an anti-establishment vote, ask them why 90%+ of re-running incumbents got re-elected? Don't let anyone try to fool you with the "anti-establishment vote" excuse.

      People voted for Trump because their motives align more with him than they did with Clinton. That's all it comes down to. Seeing what Trump's motives are, that should make you feel more than just a bit queasy.

    2. Re:Having polled my friends, including... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People voted for Trump because their motives align more with him than they did with Clinton. That's all it comes down to. Seeing what Trump's motives are, that should make you feel more than just a bit queasy.

      Oh, but that's not necessarily it. It's also a wonderful combination of

      1. "he's promising to help me (and saying things so differently non-PC that he's obviously not from the same camp as the ones who have only paid us lip service before..... maybe he really is different and he'll follow through this time)
      2. And schadenfreude/nihilism/misery-loves-company. That whole "we've already been f'd over; if we get f'd over again..... eh, we know that. Maybe at least the [insert others] that have been benefiting while we've been ignored will get a little taste of our shitty existence, too.

      Not saying its necessarily the most informed strategy, but..... I voted for an AG that I loathe simply because it was patently obvious that the only challenger on the ballot couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag and putting him up against corporate attorney's was a fools errand, but not everyone can or is willing to abstract that much.

    3. Re:Having polled my friends, including... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People voted for Trump because he made grandiose promises without an iota of detail on how to accomplish them. People are desperate enough that they don't care about the details, they just want the hurt to stop. I'd love for it to be like Trump says but I'm smart enough to know it won't be. He's harkening back to a false nostalgia of the boom years of the 1920's and 1950's. The conditions that set up these booms are not able to be replicated and had extreme consequences after the fact. The boom of the 1920's was followed immediately by a major economic collapse and war. The boom of the 1950's was followed by the disintegration of American culture up to that point and perhaps the closest we have come to losing our democracy. Seriously, the 1960's was crazy with assassinations. The three letter agencies were the most out of control they've ever been. Not to mention the civil rights movement that caused so much social unrest. And we're not done yet, Vietnam is just around the corner!

  36. Cost savings.. i.e. "one station each type" by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Seriously.. clear channel is basically the same in every market.

    You have one editorial view.

    But what can I say- its so bad I haven't listened to terrestrial radio for almost two decdes now.

    It will not yield 'cost savings' because the bid at the auction is based on the value o the channel. So it will be bid up to the point that investing money yields about the same return (except probably a few well connected insiders).

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
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  38. Fuck Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dot head corporate cunt. Somebody will be a hero after putting a bullet in that one.

  39. Love that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. My name is Vladmir, I'm from Russia. I'm opening a great local TV station to all cities of America. You will have great news. And lots of grrrllllzzzz

  40. \o/ by easyTree · · Score: 1

    But FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said the elimination of the rule has been a long time coming and will produce cost savings for stations. He said, after rigorous public consultation of the type trialled during the Net Neutrality changes,* the "overwhelming majority" of public input favored the elimination of the rule

    (*) 99.9999% guaranteed downtime of our public-comment servers.

  41. Lets End Franchise Agreements Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a second I thought that this was a move paving the way to end franchise agreements so that services offered by CaCos and TelCos would become unified and that the prices, packages, and internet speeds would be the same no matter where I lived. But then I remembered that I live in the U.S. and that Comcast exists.

    Sounds like all that will happen is that comcast will be able to close their local office in my town so that it becomes an even bigger hassle to return my cable box when I cancel my service.

  42. End the 5th estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now news is truly all propaganda. That sucks.

    The end is a gross economic loss. It is just hidden. The deciders prefer control now to long-term profitability. Myopia.

    When they choose that way, they have asked for what they receive.

  43. Makes a certain twisted sense by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    Firing all the local staff and eliminating programming will free up funds for stations to spend on staff and programming as long as you ignore the part where they no longer need to do so and won't ever spend that money that way.

  44. Welcome to the Kakistocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The National Association of Broadcasters" is a lobbying group.

    Pai said the "vast majority of commenters supports" which, since the SCOTUS has said Money=Speech means "the vast majority of MONEY supports".

    This also opens up LOCAL PROGRAMMING to be controlled by FOREIGN OWNERSHIP, not just by massive conglomerates like Sinclair or 21st Century Fox.

    Just wait until RT (the Russian news organization) bids to buy local TV stations (although via Sinclair they don't need too. They already have a propaganda arm in the US.)

  45. this is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The end of local TV and radio. Period. Now, they will not even have a Single local employee servicing your area, but one C&C to create all material. You don't need to imagine how New York would feel of their news was created and broadcast from Chicago every day. Local stories take back stage out are entirely omitted to push political agendas. These rules were there for very good reasons that still apply today. Now the News from China, pretending to be from your city.

  46. And vice versa by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run corporations while at the same time trust the people who run governments, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people.

    It always amuses me when people distrust the people who run government while at the same time trust the people who run corporations, as if the two are run by completely different kinds of people. You will trust someone who operates from a pure profit instead of someone who MIGHT have the common good in mind, why?

    1. Re:And vice versa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although the end results might be similar profit seeking behavior likely seems more straightforward than power seeking. Power seeking might be a little more alien to some peoples minds. You can definitely use power to gain money as you can use money to gain power, but most people can understand needing a little more money. Sociopaths are definitely interested in the power aspect and there's always going to be some kind of excuse for why they need it.

    2. Re:And vice versa by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      I'm going to stop you right there Tex, and if you take what I'm about to say to heart, you might very well become a better person. Now despite nowhere in my post do I say I trust the people who run corporations (which I certainly do not), you seem to be stuck in the mindset that plagues political discourse today. Obviously, I am no on "your team", so therefor I must obviously be on "the other team". And since in your mind, "the other team" trusts corporations, that means that since I'm not on "your team", I trust corporations. This is a terribly way to view the world, and the truth is the world is far more complex than your black and white world.

      I would greatly encourage you to view others complexly, as the Green brothers like to say, and you might find people who disagree with you are not the spawns of Satan, and most of them are not nearly as scary as you might think.

  47. Well there's job killer by cmaurand · · Score: 1

    Next is state run media

  48. Just more erosion of the Republic. See 1984. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just more erosion of the Republic and shift of power to a centralized Federal entity.

    See 1984.

  49. i.e. Public Safety Warnings Have Been Depreciated by Cowardly+Lurker · · Score: 1

    There once was a time and place for the legacy distribution methods of analog/radio public safety announcements. I believe that time had ended somewhere in the later half of the 20th century. This story indirectly serves as an official acknowledgement of the assertion above.

    Simply put, due to the vast proliferation of mobile communication devices, there are now better alternative methods. I have no doubt that many would acknowledge the speed at which information can spread online. There are gaps, sure, but I believe it has never been easier to bonk everyone with a clue-by-four, than the present day.

    Unfortunately, the time between the legacy system's EOL and today's new hotness, it seems the cart was put before the gnu. There was an incident that took place in Minot, North Dakota, back in January 2002. A train had just passed through the center of the city when it derailed within a development on the outskirts of town. Five tanker cars core dumped and the population of the surrounding area found themselves involuntarily huffing a thick cloud of anhydrous ammonia.

    The emergency response was a complete mess, total failure. The situation called for urgent public safety warnings but announcements were delayed by hours. However, even if the announcements had not been delayed, could it have made a significant difference? Had it happened today, I believe a greater number of people could have been spared injury by simply glancing at their phone.

    Decent overview of the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  50. Wait... by OfMiceAndMenus · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I can set up a TV/Radio station in any city I want, regardless of if I live anywhere near there or work from there?

    Look out, DC. The 24/7 Photoshopped Trump Picture channel is on its way.

  51. Re: Corporatism is Bull Pucky, and you know it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, Most of the country seems to be in Republican districts now, and I feel the same way about them. The difference is that I can go to see them sometimes, and stare them in the eye with my gun on my hip (if I had one, that is). And at least enjoy scaring the living shit out of them. Unless I'm very uber-rich I can't even come close to doing that no matter how many of my friends I can talk into boycotting Wal-Mart of GE, or Monsanto, or Cargill or McDonalds. You simply have no real idea of the power of a democratic system, although you probably love to salute the flag at ball games, and 'support the troops' and all of that political genuflecting...

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