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NVIDIA-Powered Neural Network Produces Freakishly Natural Fake Human Photos (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: NVIDIA released a paper recently detailing a new machine learning methodology for generating unique and realistic looking faces using a generative adversarial network (GAN). The result is the ability to artificially render photorealistic human faces of "unprecedented quality." NVIDIA achieves this by using an algorithm that pairs two neural networks -- a generator and a discriminator -- that compete against each other. The generator starts from a low resolution image and builds upon it, while the discriminator assesses the results, sort of like a constant critic, pointing out where things have gone wrong. The GAN is not a new technology, but where NVIDIA differentiates is through the progressive training method it developed. NVIDIA took a database of photographs of famous people and used that to train its system. By working together, the neural networks were able to produce fake images that are nearly indistinguishable from real human photographs, and a little creepy too.

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  1. Not Bad by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few of those example results are a little uncanny valley-ish, but the best are nearly good enough to serve as my dating profile picture. Google Image Search THIS!

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    1. Re:Not Bad by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real trick is when they are animated.
      I remember a back in 2000 where they were showing screen shots of the upcoming final fantasy movie. The screen shots looks like real people without the uncanny valley. However when they started moving and talking then it came to light.

      Granted graphics and animation have improved greatly in the past 18 years but I hold my doubts until I can see the rendered images move and interact.

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    2. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I want an algo that I can feed my own pictures to and it will produce a picture that resembles me enough to be recognizable by a human who knows me in person, but won't match my actual face using facial recognition (as in it would subtly change the biometrics of my face like distance between eyes, between mouth and nose, etc). That would make for a good dating profile pic - it looks like me in person so its nobody is surprised if we meet in person, but the dating site can't easily link all my data based on facial recognition.

    3. Re:Not Bad by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Girlfriend in GANada?

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    4. Re:Not Bad by NoZart · · Score: 2

      yeah, not quite there yet - see tarkin and leia in that last star wars

    5. Re:Not Bad by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      I hope there comes a day when there are no more overpaid actors. Let THOSE jobs go to computers! We aren't there yet but this is a step in the right direction.

    6. Re:Not Bad by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      Different problem maybe. Tarkin and Leia are generated from pictures of real people. The lighting and animation of them seems to make them look a little plastic and fake. Tarkin worked best, I think because the actor was playing such a stiff role that he hardly had to move his mouth.

      This is more about generating fake people... animating them is still going to be a problem.

    7. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the worst, while still semi-real looking from a certain perspective, are horrifyingly bad. Here's a few examples. The worst one reminds me of the guy with the melting face from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

      https://imgur.com/a/umoBr

    8. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even as stills Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within looked CGI as hell, except for Dr. Sid. I think it's easier to make realistic looking old people because the wrinkles, liver spots and (in this case) lack of hair makes it easy to hide flaws.

    9. Re:Not Bad by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Rachel looked pretty good in BR2049, though... much better than the efforts in Star Wars. The way the scene was lit may have helped, though.

    10. Re:Not Bad by gtall · · Score: 0

      And few would go to see the movies. One thing that keeps people coming back is they can see a star they can relate to. Stars generate press for themselves, they come with a backstory, and some with stories we'd rather not hear. However, this is what the proles see as interesting.

    11. Re:Not Bad by jblues · · Score: 1

      Will be a cat and mouse race. Face recognition software, for example in the new iOS devices, uses the same technique - GANS - as Nvidia did here to train their network.

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    12. Re: Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. Ya but if that happens then the casting couch will disappear.

    13. Re: Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She looked pretty great in the new BladeRunner... best CGI human so far by a long shot.

    14. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I find it fascinating how all of us have seen the same movie, but came to a different conclusion regarding how well those two were animated. Some people think Tarkin looked better than Leia, some think Leia looked better than Tarkin, and some think that both sucked. I haven't yet met someone who claimed that both were good though.

    15. Re:Not Bad by mark-t · · Score: 2

      I disagree.... while yes, you are right that people want to see the human actors that they know and recognize, I can definitely see no small appeal to virtual computer actors, and a demographic of people that they would appeal to that is more than large enough to service.

    16. Re:Not Bad by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      While I go to the movies for a sense of escapism, there still needs to be a sense that what I am watching is fiction if it is fiction. I am OK with other actors playing the part of actors who are unavailable, dead, or have aged to a point where they will not fit in the movie. Sure they may look different and sound different, however If I am willing to suspend my belief for Space Wizards, Technology based loosely on shaky scientific hypotheses, I can suspend it to say this guy is the same guy that was played by a different actor.
      Tarkin for the most part was a minor character in the movie, so if he was played by an other actor, I probably wouldn't have known or really cared.

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    17. Re:Not Bad by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I like Star Wars, but I am not a nitpicking fan. So when I saw Tarkin and Leia I didn't feel that anything was odd on the first impression. After it was pointed out, then I could see the imperfections. I expect a lot of the fans before they saw the movie realized these characters would be shown in CGI. Me I didn't do all my research about how the movie was made before I watched it, so I wasn't displeased from it.

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    18. Re: Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "And few would go to see the movies."

      For the most part I absolutely disagree. Some of the biggest movie/series ever ($$$$) were not about the actors: Avatar, Transformers, Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Lord of the Rings, etc. not to mention all of the animated works of Pixar and Disney. In my opinion the character matters, not the actor. Only established actors are a potential box office draw. If and when digital works replace established actors in a convincing and cost effective fashion, so long to real actors.

    19. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People went to see toy story and other animations. They went to see Avatar. They will see movies with synthetic actors too - when those get good enough. No more overpaid actors or problems with stunts. No body doubles, no issues with nakedness or "I won't play that sort of character". Instead of actors they pay a team of animators, but those are more replaceable and can't demand crazy pay.

      After a while, some of the synthetic actors will become famous, and attract moviegoers just like a real star (or like mickey mouse) . But without a real star's price tag.

    20. Re:Not Bad by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

      And few would go to see the movies. One thing that keeps people coming back is they can see a star they can relate to. Stars generate press for themselves, they come with a backstory, and some with stories we'd rather not hear. However, this is what the proles see as interesting.

      Easy google search if you require proof, but the gaming industry does more business and makes more money than the movie or music industry. Stars generate press for themselves, they come with a backstory....that's *also* true in the gaming industry. Mario, Samus, Master Chief, Cloud, Zelda and Link, etc.

      If you can computer generate a superstar in a franchise that is virtually indistinguishable from a real person, in a franchise or industry that makes more money / has more fans / gets more attention than a movie franchise, why not? This might automate / reduce demand for real people in Hollywood, but I think the real applications are going to be in pornography and video game franchise character development.

      When they can perfect this beyond faces and into contextual surroundings and bodies, along with animation...then you can do all sorts of things that have a following but push legal and ethical grey areas in erotica, create custom scenarios for people, and start exploring virtual reality in a fashion people might care about.

      Makes me want to re-read Killobyte by Piers Anthony. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    21. Re:Not Bad by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      BRING ON THE PROCEDURALLY GENERATED ALIEN TENTACLE PORN!!!!!!

      (She said, breathlessly into her cell phone...Siri responded "I'm sorry, all I have is disturbing uncanny valley porn. You will need to upgrade to the iPhone xXx for that, now with genital recognition."

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    22. Re:Not Bad by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Ok, that was good. Kudos.

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    23. Re:Not Bad by careysub · · Score: 0

      I hope there comes a day when there are no more overpaid actors. Let THOSE jobs go to computers! We aren't there yet but this is a step in the right direction.

      Even when computers can generate photo-realistic people that can move like real people you are still going to have actors.

      Why?

      Because the job of actors is not to simply be "photo-realistic people that can move like real people" (we call those people "models"), their job is to act. They bring life and nuance to the characters they portray. Consider Andy Serkis's Gollum. He is as realistic as he needs to be, but he would not exist as a convincing character without Serkis's motion capture acting.

      Computers do not act. Neither do animators. Audiences can tell the difference.

      If (when) we can overcome the uncanny valley it will break new ground for creating animated characters that are powered by human actors. But the human actors will still be there.

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    24. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Already happened in Japan - Hatsune Miku virtual singer

      https://www.wmagazine.com/story/hatsune-miku-crypton-future

    25. Re:Not Bad by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      I think the entire article is misleading. All of those faces and images are not generated from scratch, but are in fact based on graphical templates that I guess were fed to this neural network. And all that neural network seems to do is to apply some morphs to the existing images by interpolating with other images.
      I was sceptical at first, but then the Petronas Towers showed up during the morphs of the "Towers" category. Also there is so much background detail in the images, no way all of that information was generated from scratch by an AI.

    26. Re:Not Bad by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Ah that explains why several of the photos look very similar to existing actors & actresses

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    27. Re: Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FaceID is so last year. iPhone xxx with genital ID, the most secure iPhone to date. Now with sentiment analysis.

    28. Re:Not Bad by AlanObject · · Score: 1

      A couple of them (look at the center last row female) look like Real Dolls to me.

    29. Re:Not Bad by cellocgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be deliberately stupid. The bulk of the profit from movies goes to studio owners and producers. You want them to get even more?
      It's like Jim Bouton said of player salaries, "[the players] don't deserve the money, but the owners don't deserve it more."

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    30. Re:Not Bad by N_Piper · · Score: 1

      I gently disagree, while there are no doubt bad Actors out there in the end the Director is the one to blame for a bad performance by a good actor.
      A good film is made by throwing away >90% of the recorded footage, that's like practically the heart and soul of procedural generation.
      To come back to a point you made that I think undercuts your argument, Andy Serkis's Gollum was an entirely digital character, aside from voice.
      Andy Serkis and various animators input digital data to computers to make Gollum.
      Digital Data is digital data, it makes no difference what your input device is, a tablet, a keyboard, a mouse, or a mocap rig, in the end you COULD still make the same data from any of them.
      It is currently EASIER to get convincing natural seeming movement from motion capture systems but in the end those put out digital data, there is no je ne sais quoi because for the entire performance you do, in fact, je précisément sais quoi.
      No animators don't act but neither do movie actors, not in the way you think they do at least, they are both directed.

    31. Re:Not Bad by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      We are entering the age when even video evidence can be faked. I think that has many implications, and I don't even like thinking about them.

    32. Re: Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one "deserves" money, it's more of a "whoever can position themselves best" sort of thing.

      Don't be daft

    33. Re:Not Bad by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember a Michael Crichton movie that explored that idea, didn't work out so well for the actors.

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    34. Re:Not Bad by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Genital Recognition?
      NOOOO!
      Hearing Siri do a five minute belly laugh would just be too much......

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    35. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, no he wasn't. A digital image that was mapped to the motions and actions of Serkis's own movements, so not "entirely digital".

    36. Re:Not Bad by philmarcracken · · Score: 1
    37. Re:Not Bad by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2
      Virtual actors might not be all that attractive to the consumers, at least, not as long as they can tell the difference. BUT; I'm sure they'll be hugely appealing to the folks who produce the media content. They'll be a hell of a lot cheaper, easier to work with, scandal free and readily disposable if the director or the fickle public decide a given character is yesterdays news. With that kind of motivation, I'm sure enough money will be thrown at the problem until the studios get characters the audience can't possibly distinguish from the real thing.

      William Gibson touched on this stuff in his novel Idoru. A sophisticated enough synthetic person who is so convincing that a major music star wanted to marry her. I think that it is only a matter of time before we see the re-birth of the old studio system, only with wholly fictional characters. There was a time when almost everything visible about a Hollywood star was the product of cigar smoking men in back rooms, plotting out the lives of the actors to maximise their box office draw.

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    38. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then who will Harvey Weinstein grope?

  2. Do they look creepy? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do they look creepy? They look like many or the retouched "real" photos you see in the media all the time to me!

    1. Re:Do they look creepy? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      From the static picture they seem as creepy as people with overdone makeup. I was hoping to see a bunch of pictures of the normal people. Not a bunch of models. It is like early 3D static realistic however impossibly clean and perfect.

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    2. Re:Do they look creepy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some of them are very creepy. The most common case is a pair of eyes that are too different. Different sizes, different slanting. Each eye may be perfect alone, but they do not form a pair - yet they are in the same face.

      Then there are all the weird eyeglasses, when morphing from one kind to another.

      See the movie about the training of the neural nets. Some of the intermediate images are quite yucky - hair looking like a heap of veins or something. More training and it got better.

      Now, will they be able to train these neural nets on images of genitals?

    3. Re: Do they look creepy? by jecowa · · Score: 1

      I thought their eyes looked kind of of at first, but then I google imaged "faces". The neural network faces look less "off" than the real thing.

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    4. Re:Do they look creepy? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      A few beers and they look good to me.

    5. Re:Do they look creepy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even this one? (from 1:06 in the video, 2nd row, last column)

      https://imgur.com/a/IoLT9

    6. Re:Do they look creepy? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      I was hoping to see a bunch of pictures of the normal people. Not a bunch of models.

      You might want to retract that criticism. The article says they trained the network with celebrity photos, most of which benefit from professional makeup, lighting, and retouching.

      If they trained it with regular family photos instead, I assume the output would be more in line with your expectations.

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    7. Re:Do they look creepy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of the face morphing effect in the pop music video "Open Your Mind", where they morph between Thatcher, Reagan, Stalin and Lenin. This system seems to morph one particular feature at a time; smile, lower jaw, hairline, etc...

    8. Re:Do they look creepy? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but with the professionals with a lot of the imperfections glossed away it may mean that regular photos may not work as well, because it would be too complex because of all our imperfection, skin blotches, crooked teeth, and less then symmetric faces. Or the algorithm will have a hard time figuring out what is normal, Thus make a lot of people with exaggerated imperfections, so what would had been a normal looking person, ends up being quite ugly.

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  3. Curriculum learning by LetterRip · · Score: 3, Informative

    This sounds like the standard idea of curriculum learning - you teach NNs via progressively more difficult tasks.

    1. Re:Curriculum learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't in GANs one model, the generative, tries to fool the other, classifier one, by giving it images itself has generated. There's no incremental task switching from easier problem domains to more difficult ones.

    2. Re:Curriculum learning by LetterRip · · Score: 4, Informative

      It isn't in GANs one model, the generative, tries to fool the other, classifier one, by giving it images itself has generated. There's no incremental task switching from easier problem domains to more difficult ones.

      I'm familiar with GANs - what it sounded like (and what they did) is add curriculum learning, but they also did it layerwise as is done with autoencoders, (Also they had some other interesting ideas, but that was the crucial bit). In this case the easy is the lower resolution images and the hard is the higher dimensional images.

      From their paper

      The idea of growing GANs progressively is related to curriculum GANs (Anonymous), where the idea is to attach multiple discriminators that operate on different spatial resolutions to a single generator, and furthermore adjust the balance between resolutions as a function of training time. That work in turn is motivated by Durugkar et al. (2016) who use one generator and multiple discriminators concurrently, and Ghosh et al. (2017) who do the opposite with multiple generators and one discriminator. In contrast to early work on adaptively growing networks, e.g., growing neural gas (Fritzke, 1995) and neuro evolution of augmenting topologies (Stanley & Miikkulainen, 2002) that grow networks greedily, we simply defer the introduction of pre-configured layers. In that sense our approach resembles layer-wise training of autoencoders (Bengio et al., 2007).

    3. Re:Curriculum learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bit different - they are learning features from coarse grained to fine grained, i.e. a feature hierarchy. In images, there's an easy way to do this of course, from downsampled to upsampled images. Bit harder in other domains (i.e. NLP), where there is hierachical feature structure, but it's less obvious how to get to it without some explicit feature engineering. Not to mention the other issues with GANs, which lag in other domains.

  4. Rule 34 by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    There can be no exceptions!

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    1. Re:Rule 34 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when we said AI would displace millions of people from their jobs, I never thought porn stars would be in danger!

  5. Build-to-order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They should add the ability to recreate biometric parameters: Generate a fake picture that image recognition will attribute to a real person with the given biometrics. I'd buy that.

    1. Re:Build-to-order by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Also, combine it with this for a great fake media effect. ;)

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  6. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "two neural networks -- a generator and a discriminator"

    IOW a democrat and a republican. :-)

    1. Re:Really? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Ok i laughed :)

    2. Re:Really? by reboot246 · · Score: 0

      You have them reversed.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean reversed like discriminator annd generator -- republican't and democrat?

    4. Re:Really? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's excusable, as an European I can't even tell them apart.

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    5. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't upset the Americans, they love their parties, talking about what colour people are, and their Pedowood movies.

    6. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      discriminate

      1. recognize a distinction; differentiate:
      "babies can discriminate between different facial expressions of emotion"
      synonyms: differentiate distinguish draw a distinction tell the difference [more]
      2. perceive or constitute the difference in or between:
      "bats can discriminate a difference in echo delay of between 69 and 98 millionths of a second

      So we know when A does not equal B?

    7. Re:Really? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Like Republicans being the ones who generate things like jobs/wealth and Democrats historically being the ones who discriminate (check your history).

  7. In other news... by DrTJ · · Score: 1

    Hollywood-Powered Neural Networks Produce Freakishly Fake Natural Human Photos

  8. Training database seems skewed by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The rendered images look strikingly like actual human photographs, I'll bet they could fool nearly everyone -- you'd have to have a reason to think they were fake.

    I'm wondering if their choice of celebrities as the training database somehow skews their results positive versus "ordinary" people. Celebrities almost seem too uniform in terms of facial features and general appearance. It makes me wonder if they tried with ordinary people if the algorithm woudln't produce freaks because it sees odd deviations among normal people.

    1. Re:Training database seems skewed by BradleyUffner · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rendered images look strikingly like actual human photographs, I'll bet they could fool nearly everyone -- you'd have to have a reason to think they were fake.

      I'm wondering if their choice of celebrities as the training database somehow skews their results positive versus "ordinary" people. Celebrities almost seem too uniform in terms of facial features and general appearance. It makes me wonder if they tried with ordinary people if the algorithm woudln't produce freaks because it sees odd deviations among normal people.

      If you look at the full paper, this is capable of so much more than faces. There are dozens of pages of every-day objects they generated, from bedrooms, to wine bottles, to boats, and bicycles. A few of them of some pretty obvious warping and distortions, but the ones that don't look like real objects. It's mind blowing.

    2. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let it loose on Pr0n!

    3. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It did create freaks. Pause during the video on the larger pages, you'll see some nightmares.

    4. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh, that's... not a bad idea! bring on the lovecraftian dick porn!

    5. Re:Training database seems skewed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I expect we will start seeing this used for TV shows pretty soon. Sets are expensive, and it's really obvious when shows like Suits re-use the same corner office slightly redressed for 20 different companies. Soon they will just film against bluescreen and click a button in Premier to auto-generate a single-use office set.

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    6. Re:Training database seems skewed by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Why stop with office suite sets?

      We can cashier pretty much all actors and actresses. Already synthesized voice singer robot is grammy award winner quality. Saw the post about the singing robots of Japan? We can just use CGI actors.

      Finally people who were lucky enough to have some good looking features will stop hogging the limelight, yup limelight. The real creative people, the script writers, directors and cinematographers will get their due share. While these CGI characters who work 24/7 for a pittance without any pesky contract renegotiation issues will be used.

      It will last till AI gets good enough to replace the directors and script writers too. Then... all of us will have tons and tons of time to watch TV. But not much of money to buy anything advertised. Is this going to be the entropy death of the visual entertainment universe? Well, it will form a good plot to a good script writer. May be,.

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    7. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering if their choice of celebrities as the training database somehow skews their results positive versus "ordinary" people.

      Probably not. They "chose" celebrities because there's a readily-available dataset (CelebA) that doesn't require them to spend ages cleaning up and otherwise preprocessing the data. It's pretty much the standard training set for anything to do with faces.

    8. Re:Training database seems skewed by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's try this with "People of Walmart".

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    9. Re:Training database seems skewed by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      They do (more or less) but I wonder what would you do with them? I.e. what is the use for a single frame of a non-existing person, or the ability to generate single frames of many non-existing people?

    10. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      will never happen, because the cgi actors/actresses can't sleep with the producer

    11. Re:Training database seems skewed by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Yes, they can. Haven't you heard of VR porn and its accessory devices?

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    12. Re:Training database seems skewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally people who were lucky enough to have some good looking features will stop hogging the limelight, yup limelight. The real creative people, the script writers, directors and cinematographers will get their due share.

      While I completely agree that all the creatives should be rewarded, I feel compelled to react to an implied comment.

      Actors are real creative people too - or rather good actors are real creative people. A good actor inhabits the soul of the character they're playing & draws on their (the actor's) experience and imagination to flesh out the character. They bring the character to life. It takes a lot of creativity to do that well.

      OTOH, given your comment about limelight it sounds like you're talking about "stars". Stars are brands. Some are good actors (who are then constrained to keep to the brand) and some are not good actors (e.g. can only play themselves). Some aren't actors at all (e.g. Kardashians). They are usually chosen based upon how they look, with talent being of secondary importance.

      We, the public, are as culpable as Hollywood for the existence of stars. And McDonalds.

    13. Re:Training database seems skewed by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Yes, they can. Haven't you heard of VR porn and its accessory devices?

      The difference here is that no bargaining need be involved. You don't need to say "Blow me and I'll make you a star!" you just say "Blow me, then go away, I'm tired."

    14. Re:Training database seems skewed by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Mindblowingly overfitted, probably.

  9. Looks like a remake of that Godley and Creme video by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1
  10. not so scary now by jecowa · · Score: 1

    These faces are a lot less scary than previous neural-network human faces attempts. https://www.fastcodesign.com/3...

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    1. Re:not so scary now by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This guy has a great future in the horror genre of movies. He just redefined "creepy".

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  11. Mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something about the faces still looks off

    1. Re:Mixed feelings by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They forgot to reverse-photoshop them. My guess is they trained the algorithm using various fashion- and lifestyle magazines that consist of nothing but photoshopped pictures of people stripped of any and all personality.

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  12. Can the criminal system keep up? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since photographic evidence is commonly used to convict people of a crime, I can't but help wonder if our legal system will be able to keep up with technology in order to avoid the manipulation that may ultimately condemn an innocent person.

    It's quite concerning when the term "indistinguishable" is used to describe technology, as 12 randomly selected citizens can be indistinguishable from a group of morons who are unable to tell the difference between real and fake.

    1. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by ledow · · Score: 2

      Rarely is photographic evidence alone used for a conviction. You'd be amazed how unreliable cameras, etc. actually are.

      However, they are often used as PART OF a conviction. Especially if they have come from multiple independent sources (nearby shops as well as the one burgled, street cams, some random person's dashcam, etc.).

      No court would convict on the basis of one photo alone - even if it was dated and had GPS EXIF info. Precisely because it's too easy to forge. That's why some cameras have cryptographic signatures that write hashes into the image information, etc.

      Legal tests have been in place for hundreds of years because, applied appropriately (which they aren't always, but that's why you have lawyers and appeal courts), they don't care about the particular technology involved (whether that's digital cameras or some guy with an angle-measurer). What matters is how that correlates to other evidence, how independent it is, how individually reliable it is (that's what you're talking about) and how "reasonable" it is that actually it depicts what the prosecution/defence claim it does.

      There's a reason that defence lawyers are highly paid, and they'd find holes in almost everything like this if it got their client off.

      To be honest, I've provided CCTV footage to police on dozens of occasions over the years as part of my job, and not once has it been the sole evidence, and not once did it actually get used as anything other than "corroborating" a story that could be corroborated any number of other ways too.

    2. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by nealric · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking as a lawyer, I'm afraid you have far too much confidence in the judicial system. People have been convicted based on a lot less than a seemingly perfect photograph and few criminal defendants have the financial wherewithal to hire an expert to contest the veracity of a spoofed photo.

    3. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      I've seen several forums talking about the need for cloud-connected cameras such that every time you take a photo, the image, the user ID, GPS coordinates, and timestamp are added to some blockchain for certification. Any later re-touching/editing is then checked in as a transaction so that the entire "chain of evidence" is preserved in a public record. To me, it seems that something like that is the only way we're going to be able to trust any recording in the future -- or the present, really, since this tech plus the audio tech earlier this year are now "in the wild."

    4. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a lawyer, I'm afraid you have far too much confidence in the judicial system. People have been convicted based on a lot less than a seemingly perfect photograph and few criminal defendants have the financial wherewithal to hire an expert to contest the veracity of a spoofed photo.

      Exactly. The one with the most money wins is often more truth than hyperbole.

    5. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since photographic evidence is commonly used to convict people of a crime, I can't but help wonder if our legal system will be able to keep up with technology in order to avoid the manipulation that may ultimately condemn an innocent person.

      Pseudoscience and absolute nonsense are already used to convict people, so the legal system already can't keep up. Scientific validity isn't even necessary for something to be considered evidence, it just needs to have been allowed by someone in the past and it suddenly becomes legally valid. All you need is a self-declared expert or a corrupt/incompetent lab tech and you too can convict someone with absolutely no evidence. So don't worry, this won't change anything.

    6. Re:Can the criminal system keep up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't but help wonder if our legal system will be able to keep up with technology in order to avoid the manipulation that may ultimately condemn an innocent person.

      They failed at that long long ago, and a shocking percentage of people in the legal system don't even care.

      Look at DNA testing. Their test only looks at six markers in the DNA.
      There are a bit over 300,000 other people who have those identical six markers as you.

      One may argue, how many of those 300,000 people that match your DNA enough to be called a 100% match, would also be near enough to both you the suspect and the victim of the crime it was found at?

      I guess we will never know, since it isn't required. You could show you were on the other side of the earth in another country for a year, and that could very well be ignored.

      Especially for people who can't afford a lawyer to defend them.
      You could have a ton of difference pieces of evidence that exonerate you, but if you don't translate your normal everyday English into the form of language a judge wants to hear, that evidence will likely be ignored.

      Imagine a person who has final say in you going to prison unless you convince him that 1+2=3, but will only accept a valid answer in BrainFuck code that compiles successfully and outputs the numbers in spelled out form, in french. It's a bit like that.

  13. Realistic looking? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    Nah. Looks just as fake as the photoshopped crap in various magazines.

    Maybe it looks "realistic" to people whose primary source for people's faces is said magazines. Get out of your mom's basement!

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  14. Good sample of top computer performance by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    When seeing pictures like these in a random profile somewhere, the first idea coming to my mind is that they are fake. Even by ignoring some weird bits (some of them are surprisingly similar to various celebrities), the main issue is the lack of realism. A different story is being able to tell whether the fake picture was created by a quite-bad-at-faking person or a computer.

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  15. Hopefully models can retire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now clothes catalogs and stock photos can be completely generated.

  16. Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fake celebrities will add a whole new dimension to fake news.

  17. Speech generation. by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

    Now apply this to human voices; unlimited permutations in games, instead of fixed recorded lines.

    but what we'll get is ads that call your name.

    1. Re:Speech generation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call your name...in Scarlett Johansen's voice.

      Thousands of gamers bank accounts will be wiped out then.

    2. Re:Speech generation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you read _diamond age_?

      You need voice actors and actresses to achieve natural speech synthesis.

    3. Re:Speech generation. by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Maybe; but maybe enough GFLOPS can manage to do it someday.

  18. If I were Hollywood "actors" by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I'd clean up their act! They can be EASILY replaced

    1. Re:If I were Hollywood "actors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will just give them more time with the children!

    2. Re:If I were Hollywood "actors" by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      I'd clean up their act! They can be EASILY replaced

      You can't replace a bunch of high class hookers with animations that don't even cry when you molest them.

  19. What's the over under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For how long it takes for a version that works for video, 5 to 30 seconds, and, of course for porn. Would also like to see the generator take a script for a scene as input along with physical descriptions of characters. Instant Hollywood!

  20. The sims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    S1m0ne! Is that you?

  21. Perfect FB Clickbait by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    "A sad day in Hollywood... We say goodbye to one of the greats..." -OR- "Identify these celebrities... Only 7% Know the Answer..."

  22. Catfishing by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    This could take catfishing to a whole new level.

    Beware.

    LK

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  23. Upscaling application? by Tx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can't get back detail that is missing from a low resolution image, so you can't go e.g. from an SD resolution movie to a 4K one, or at least the result won't look like a movie shot in 4K. Conventional upscaling is basically interpolate-and-sharpen, and it gives only a minor improvement. But while you can't get back the original missing detail, what you could in theory do is generate plausible synthetic detail.

    Since this technique seems to involve building up the image through a series of increasing resolutions, I'm wondering if instead of generating a completely synthetic image, you could take a low resolution frame as the starting point, and use similar methods to add plausible synthetic detail. I would have thought that that would actually be a lot easier to generate a good result than if you're trarting from scratch to create a completely synthetic image.

    Could it be that our Kazaa-era porn favourites will one day be viewable in 4K quality after all?

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    1. Re:Upscaling application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upscaling low res images to high res is already producing stunning results:

      https://techxplore.com/news/2017-10-small-pixel-perfect-large.html

      AI will rule the world before you know it.

    2. Re:Upscaling application? by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Here's a demonstration of a neural net doing temporal interpolation (increase framerate of source video by adding realistic intermediate frames)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:Upscaling application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a weird ass Youtube channel. Largely reposts of videos from computer scientists, just with the voiceover replaced. And what a voiceover. He calls his viewers / patrons "fellow scholars" (because watching Youtube = scholarship), makes heavy use of the 'royal we'/'cargo cult science we', even using it when referencing past videos as though he and his viewers had anything to do with those results either. Patreon bait at its finest.

    4. Re:Upscaling application? by barbariccow · · Score: 2

      You've obviously never seen CSI. Didn't you know they can take a 12DPI resolution image from a shitty security camera and turn it into 1080P? It actually uses its own assembly language, which they managed to trim down to a single instruction: ENHCE -- Enhance. Instead of typing in that program and using loops, you literally just use voice-to-text, stare at a screen and say "Enhance! Enhance! Enhance!"

    5. Re:Upscaling application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be that our Kazaa-era porn favourites will one day be viewable in 4K quality after all?

      Or perfect photos of historic scenes and figures. Endless possibilities.

    6. Re:Upscaling application? by Tx · · Score: 1

      Wow, I should have known someone would already be on the case, that stuff is impressive. And I like that those scientists actually mention the image enhancement tech from Blade Runner in their paper.

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  24. Freakishly natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now there's a good oxymoron that would make a fitting name for a cosmetics line

  25. Everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everyone" vs "Every one"

    They lost me on the first caption.

  26. Waifu2x by Guppy · · Score: 1

    This is what Waifu2x does, for the limited case of anime-based images. It is a neural network based upscaler capable of doing some very good enlargements on comic-like and cartoon-like images.

    http://waifu2x.udp.jp/

  27. Who or what can we believe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who will be the guardians of "Real News" and how will these new technologies be used against an often gullible and deliberately misinformed public?

    1. Re:Who or what can we believe? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      For maximum irony, someone should announce that this report from NVIDIA itself is a hoax. Then you really wouldn't know what to believe.

  28. "Believe half of what you see" by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    "and even less of what you hear" I think that old saying has gone way down in value.. So can you now get caught doing anything and say it was "fixed"? Has truth in pictures gone way of the Dodo and dinosaurs?

    1. Re:"Believe half of what you see" by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Before, faking images and video was time consuming, but this is the next step in being able to produce convincing fake imagery on a mass scale outside of the realm of Hollywood. I foresee this tech being useful for disinformation experts, being able to construct complete profiles for sock puppet accounts to include family vacation photos, graduations, etc.

      We won't be able to believe our lying eyes when it comes to anything on a display. Thankfully, we can always rely on those in a position of authority to tell us what's real and what's not.

    2. Re:"Believe half of what you see" by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      To be honest with you, I'm not to sure of those in authority.

  29. Even the fake ones won't swipe right for mine by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    ...dammit.

  30. Impressive, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all looks quite impressive, but to me it looks like it is 'just' morphing between preexisting images, not generating new ones. With the faces you can clearly spot plenty of well known Hollywood celebrities. And with the objects you pretty clearly see how it's morphing between regular photos, as the in-between images often don't make any sense.

    This might of course just be the result of the limited training set, not the algorithm itself, but it looks like this algorithm would need a lot bigger training set to generate something that could truly be considered new and not just be an obvious recombination of existing photos.

  31. NOT humans! CELEBRITIES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like the old joke with the neural network that stated "all humans are celebrities" because all it got to see were photos of celebrities.

    Normal humans don't look like those photos. You and I don't look like that.

  32. bad hair day by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    Many of them seem to have some weirdness at the top of the head. Pointedness, baldness that kind of thing, I wonder what that says about the algorithm.

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    1. Re:bad hair day by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      There's just a huge amount of variation in photos of the top of the head because of hats, hairstyles, etc. so it probably takes much more training to get that part right. The face is much more consistent among beautiful actors.

    2. Re:bad hair day by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      It occurred to me after I posted that these images may be frames from a video and that perhaps the frame just shows a point where it transitions from one hairstyle to another.

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  33. Yes, "*criminal* system" is about right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is our legal system:

    -- Law: Absolute rules of right and wrong, even though in reality everything is relative. And everybody must conform. Including other cultures and actually sovereign countries/states.

    -- Bureaucracy: Separation of rules and intention and observed patterns. Rules must be obeyed, even if it directly contradicts the original intention, and nobody knows anymore for which real cases they were actually created.

    -- Guilt: Making the last link in the chain the scapegoat for the entire graph/net of causality. Always imply that everyone has complete control over himself, or at least over his loss of control. And if not... what the heck! Imply free will, even though there is no scientific basis for the concept, and we're only clinging to it out of a schizophrenically-motivated messed-up obsessive-compulsive illusion of our own superiority/specialness.

    -- "Proof": Argumentation, based on unverified, not scientifically solid, anecdotal claims, from sources that are by nature relative, distorting and erroneous. (Only psychological/mental damage "doesn't count", because one "can't see" it. --.--)

    -- Punishment: Harm is absolutely OK, if you have an excuse that is good enough. E.g. that the other one did it too, or that he is "evil". That grants absolution to all crimes committed against him. Harm is always just when others do it. It's always only the others, who are at fault, and therefore fair game. We harm people, who harm people, because harming people is wrong.

    -- Prohibitions: Discrimination on the basis of punishing many for the actions of a few, through (universal) circumcision of freedom.

    Is that the system where you're wondering if it can keep up and not harm the innocent?

  34. Know what the Internet will do with this tech? by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    If after reading my title you didn't guess: naked people. All those photorealistic painting artists will be out of a job.

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  35. Odd Standards by N_Piper · · Score: 1

    The uncanny valley effect is probably due mostly to the massive amount of digital editing in photos today.
    That would go both towards tainting the data set making more blemish free smooth faces and the normalisation of those computer doctored photos in our minds.
    If we were less used to looking at, essentially, computer generated faces and the neural net was trying to reproduce something that wasn't, essentially, a computer generated face then the difference would be more apparent

  36. I don't get it by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. Based on the summary, it sounds like they are taking a picture and then tracing it, and another program is constantly saying "you traced wrong, go back and do it right!". So... they can take a picture, and from it render the same picture? Haven't computers been able to do that since... oh.... forever? Without AI involved at all.

    1. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copying & Pasting pixels from an input data set and producing images which are basically just tweaked images from the input data set may seem a bit unimpressive. But, that article about it could have easily have been written in exactly the same way - by copying & pasting with minor tweaks, structures, elements, and snippets of text from other recent articles about "Neural" Networks.

  37. Mr. Potato Head by sexconker · · Score: 1

    This is actually just blending real photos from a database.
    It's not generating anything from scratch, it's progressively layering bits of various photos together and blending. They start low res and then add in details at higher res. Some of the results show this as the general shape looks fucked up or kind of fuzzy at a high contrast edge (jawline or hair line), but the lips and especially the eyes look perfect.

    NVIDIA took a database of photographs of famous people and used that to train its system. By working together, the neural networks were able to produce fake images that are nearly indistinguishable from real human photographs.

    In the samples you can clearly recognize some celebrities such as Adam Sandler's and Zoey Deschanel's contributing large chunks of an image.

    It's still putting out mostly great results, but it's not generating these from scratch. It's playing Mr. Potato Head.

    1. Re:Mr. Potato Head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " It's playing Mr. Potato Head." Darn. I thought your title was a Wargames reference.

  38. A Scanner Darkly? by Kancept · · Score: 1

    This + flexible screen tech means this cloaking hood shouldn't be that far away.

  39. Micro-Expressions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it fascinating how all of us have seen the same movie, but came to a different conclusion regarding how well those two were animated. Some people think Tarkin looked better than Leia, some think Leia looked better than Tarkin, and some think that both sucked. I haven't yet met someone who claimed that both were good though.

    Yeah, they both looked wrong to me, very wrong and I didn't know anything about the CGI people being in the movie when I went in. But Leia and Tarkin each looked wrong in different ways. Leia's skin looked fake as hell and was too obviously CGI. Tarkin's body language/facial micro-expressions were all fucked up. Some people aren't very sensitive to or aware of micro-expressions whereas some of us are actually consciously aware of them. To me Tarkin was just deeply wrong and obviously not human.

    But eventually studios will hook up with the university psych dept somewhere that has identified many of these micro-expressions and been able to teach AI to recognize and interpret them. I would like to think that data could also be used to help make more convincing CGI human avatars and such.

  40. Cant wait until they use this porn!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4K please