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FCC Will Also Order States To Scrap Plans For Their Own Net Neutrality Laws (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In addition to ditching its own net neutrality rules, the Federal Communications Commission also plans to tell state and local governments that they cannot impose local laws regulating broadband service. This detail was revealed by senior FCC officials in a phone briefing with reporters today, and it is a victory for broadband providers that asked for widespread preemption of state laws. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai's proposed order finds that state and local laws must be preempted if they conflict with the U.S. government's policy of deregulating broadband Internet service, FCC officials said. The FCC will vote on the order at its December 14 meeting. It isn't clear yet exactly how extensive the preemption will be. Preemption would clearly prevent states from imposing net neutrality laws similar to the ones being repealed by the FCC, but it could also prevent state laws related to the privacy of Internet users or other consumer protections. Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband because it is an interstate service and that it would subvert federal policy for states and localities to impose their own rules.
states rights!
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I cannot think of a better way to kill the tech sector.
This is the "and you are not permitted lube" phase of the punishment.
"And if you can kill it at the state level too, we'll throw in a private jet"
Sigh.
It's a sad thing for the world.. but a great opportunity for Europe.
We heard you hate regulation, so we put some deregulation in your regulation so you can deregulate while you regulate.
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Somehow the rationalization that the internet is simultaneously a vital interstate service that precludes state regulation and a purely market driven business seems like a big business wet dream.
States can regulate and tax most businesses but not *this* business because it's special for "reasons".
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Fuck you twice, then. Once for letting the foxes into the henhouse, and once more for locking the door behind them.
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is it will be used as ammo by anti-federalists to push states rights issues, completely ignoring the fact that it's cheap as free to buy off state legislatures and that with few exceptions they're all in the hands of the likes of the Koch bros. et al. e.g. in the absence of the FCC forcing NN we wouldn't have had it in the first place as each of the State legislatures was picked off one at a time by the elite ruling class. Anyone else remember that picture of the snake cut into 13 pieces? Anyone?
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I'm for net neutrality. I just think its a little rich that people are so vehemently for it while at the same time supporting things that will essentially put us in the exact same place as if we repealed it entirely.
Tell the FCC to fuck off and die.
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we will build our own internet, we dont need you telling us how to surf the internet anyway, as far as i am concerned this is federal government overreach and the FCC needs to go find something else to do
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They're trying to fix that loophole already.
what if they kill off good stuff like ad blocker plugins for your browser, they kill off internet forums that allow free speech, they might even kill off linux & bsd and your only choice is ms-windows or apple's osx or android, and there is an american version of the great wall of china firewall so the only websites you can visit or spammy websites that want to sell you something at every turn, and the giant online retailers, it will kill the internet or cripple it,
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I suspect that tomorrow will not be a big day for my hard Radical Right coworkers to expound on the centrality of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, nor to opine on "states' rights". Just a guess.
I remember something about Tennessee...
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Maybe related?
Does anyone think that having different states putting their fingers in the mix will help anything? Whether NN dies or not, I don't want ANY mix of states stickign their noses into the traffic when the purchase I'm making is on an E-commerce site hosted in California, for a company whose physical presence is in Oregon, but incorporated in Delaware, but shipping from Texas... (Yes, I want NN, but mixed state regulations for medical marijuana and guns make things into a clusterfuck as it is. No need for more.)
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I used to pay taxes monthly to the bank. Every month, I sent a decent sum to the govt for not much. One day, I was told no more. I needed to go "on Line" and pay that way....not only the Feds, but New York State too.... Now, I go online, and like sort of the inverse of buying stuff on Amazon, I pay taxes. I am required to do it this way. The internet is the post office.
Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband because it is an interstate service and that it would subvert federal policy for states and localities to impose their own rules.
It's actually an international service, so by the same logic surely the federal government shouldn't have jurisdiction either?
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How is pointing out that a federal regulatory agency has the authority over an interstate matter "corrupt?" This isn't any different than the FAA having the authority to tell states/localities that no, they can't pass local laws controlling the airspace. That's not "corrupt" either - it's been legislatively established as such (in both cases) precisely so we don't end up with a patchwork train wreck of conflicting rules.
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I hear see comments, but I still do not think it matters!!
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Net Neutrality!!!! The Holy Grail, Oh my god we have to have it!!
I feel this is about common carrier law legal liability isolation the phone companies got back in the day!!
If they peek, route or tier the trial lawyers will carve them up, Maybe?
Under common carrier, how can they peek and not be responsible for bad things.
I think they feel they can do it, I am not a lawyer, but I think the system will teach them an expensive lesson!
Just my 2 cents
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If we had a true marketplace for ISPs, we would have competition that would allow consumers to avoid the worst outcomes of these changes by switching to ISPs that weren't working against the consumers' interest.
But we don't have a functioning market. We have regional monopolies, likely established through collusion, where there is no competition.
Worst case scenario, Ajit's changes are only spurring a movement to break up the major cable companies through anti-trust.
I would love to see this happen.
what if they kill off good stuff like ad blocker plugins for your browser, they kill off internet forums that allow free speech, they might even kill off linux & bsd and your only choice is ms-windows or apple's osx or android, and there is an american version of the great wall of china firewall so the only websites you can visit or spammy websites that want to sell you something at every turn, and the giant online retailers, it will kill the internet or cripple it,
Well, then they kill off a whole lot of the internet. I'll find something different to do with my time if say, they make adblockers illegal. A few times when I had to turn off adblock and no script, the internet was damn near unuseable.
Of course, I won't be spending the bucks for my internet connection either.
Do you figure that Pai would have done this if But Her Email was elected president? My guess is no. But the American people have spoken. Republican politicians have been against net neutrality for years, and with the American people making up congress by their votes, they have tacitly demanded the death of Net Neutrality.
The last part was sarcastic, I suspect that only certain companies and the politicians they own actually want to kill it, and very few Americans, left or right do. Then again, with less than 50 percent voter turnout, maybe they actually don't care? That part isn't sarcastic.
One thing I always wondered about My Republican friends have always screamed about unelected people making law. I don't remember any ballots that Pai was on. But either way, we are not getting anything we don't deserve.
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It's simple to set up a GoFundMe to cover the legal bills related to punching Ajit Pai in the nose. Just sayin'.
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a few things before i start in:
* I actually remember when the EFF was about preventing unecessary regulations and legislation for the sake of avoiding creating bubbles of fantasy land bullshit. The old thinking was that computers don't obey legislation. Now I'm dosheartened to see the EFF actively calling for regulations and laws to force things to be convenient for them. Who the fuck is writing this shit?
* I'm all for net neutrality, because I like the internet as a vital and growing platform for business and creativity, networking and socializing.
So, let me start in.
This shit is a fucking non. Issue.
Look, nobody is paying for the internet just to make a modem connect across miles of line to a distant server just for the wow factor. Nobody is paying for internet service just to ssh to the ISP and >message everyone else who's logged in.
And nobody is paying for internet service just to connect to the WWW pages of their favorite sites just for wow factor, either. The front pages of most web sites and services are really fucking boring and typically just offer shit like legal things to read, contact pages, "about us", etc. Most sites these days don't even offer a site map, so we're talking immensely boring.
EVERYBODY who connects to the internet is connecting to see other users' content.
Nearly every major web site or service exists to host user content: forums; photo hosting; facebook; twitter; youtube, vimeo, vidme; reddit; amazon, ebay, craigslist; they all host user content. The exceptions like netflix, hulu, other entertainment services, let's leave them out of the discussion. Even fucking redbox has a website; so does your local library. But let's acknowledge that even though those sites don't host user generated content, they wouldn't exist without the users who show up to drink from the media tap.
No sites exist just to be on a hard drive somewhere. Well there's weird shit like Zombo.com but I think you get my point: the biggest sites online are all about connecting people to people, and the rest are about connecting people to companies.
Nowhere in ANY of this is the user left out of the equation. The user is part of the flowchart every step of the way. If you think otherwise, sorry, you're fucking retarded.
Which means that the user is in a position to place demands. You want congress to do that for you, that's great, have fun going round and round the cycle of bubble-bust bubble-bust while you strive to maintain the illusion of fantasy land and work on suspending your disbelief.
Some people, notably Stephen King (check his twitter) think net neutrality is about censorship.
Guess what, jerky? It's got shit to do with censorship. We have net neutrality right now, and facebook, twitter, youtube, and google have been censoring what you are allowed to see for over a year, and it's all been politically motivated. If you aren't aware of any of that, either you just got out of prison or, sorry, you're retarded.
Net neutrality is about whether your service providers, the content-less middle men just passing data between you and the sites that exist only to serve you, will get to start charging you to reach those sites. Of course you should feel a little discouraged at that prospect, considering by and large those sites work by not charging you anything (at least not up front. And in the case of twitter, I hear that for $99/mo. you can buy a sponsored content account and boila, no more bans). Without those sites being able to offer that service, those sites don't work out to be as big as they are today. Without those sites being that big, ISPs have nothing much to sell the vast majority of users. Now you can see how and why the user has control, complete and utter fucking control, of the situation.
So here's the fucking deal. Here's how and why net neutrality is a non issue: the user can flip the table by getting the websites on their side.
Here's the proposal:
1. Users get the major sites to agree that ISPs mon
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Ajit Pai apparently does not understand how the Constitution works.
The fact that broadband is an interstate service gives FCC jurisdiction via the Interstate Commerce Clause.
But there is nothing in the Constitution saying states can't "subvert Federal policy". In fact States do it all the time, as long as the business or service is confined to that state.
The political right loves their "state's rights" until it gives the individual states any rights that overlords don't want them to have.
If Ajit Pai died from a particularly painful and drawn out form of incurable cancer. At least it would provide a tiny bit of evidence that karma really is a thing.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Well, that used to be in fashion. But now might be a great time to consider moving your bits to data centres in Canada. For instance, there is already one AWS centre up here, with another to follow.
How in the world could they kill off linux and bsd? you people are fucking lunatics.. you come up with some bat shit crazy story in your head and then convince yourself that its true...
you have privacy? lol
In other words, Article I, Section 8 vs 9th Amendment... Round 3!
I do recall that John Marshall was the first that did the expansion of Section 8. I forget who did Wickard v Filburn, but I think it was related to FDR and the Depression.
I had stated, though, in another comment that I recall the FCC having an order under Wheeler that was overturned in favor of Tennessee's state law that prevented local jurisdictions from making their own providers. Maybe as a compromise: the state or local cannot make law enforcing network neutrality, but then state laws that prevent local jurisdictions from making their own network neutral ISPs are automatically overturned.
To be fair, the joke was pretty low effort. Most "but I repeat myself" jokes are.
Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband because it is an interstate service and that it would subvert federal policy for states and localities to impose their own rules.
Seems odd that the very same people that argued against patchwork enforcement of immigration policy (clearly a federal domain) are arguing for patchwork enforcement of policies on 'broadband', another clearly federal domain.
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Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband because it is an interstate service and that it would subvert federal policy for states and localities to impose their own rules.
Does mean State/Local Authorities don't have the power to impose vender lockouts either?
The FCC can say that states can't mandate net neutrality -- but the federal government has already said that marijuana is illegal, too. If the states can pass drug laws that contravene the federal government's will, then they certainly can pass laws liberating the Internet for their citizens and freeing us from the monopolistic manipulation of two or three big corporations.
How does this improve my ISP service, reduce my costs or in any other way help me? Why do I want this? Oh.. maybe if I own stock in Verizon??
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
I swear, Ajit Pai is trying to earn his place as literal devil. He is evil and every thought he's ever had is to hurt people.
"Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband"
That's backwards. Federal agencies (FCC included) only have jurisdiction over interstate matters, not intrastate. So, the FCC has jurisdiction over the backbone but everything else including the "last mile" hop to the individual subscriber, is within state and local jurisdiction.
But alas, we have yet another case of a Federal agency exceeding its mandate, and states rights continue to evaporate.
If only we could count on the Supreme Court to do its job and strike down bullshit like this.
So does it mean that CloudFlare will be throttled? If yes then no point to use CloudFlare. If they pay then no point to provide free service.
Either way Consumer loose, Telcos win. Drain that swamp (Urban Dictionary: "swamp": consumer's wallet).
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
AT&T has Common Carrier status, which is derived from English Common Law as documented in Blackstone. This Common Carrier status allows AT&T to install its equipment on the property of others by granting them a "right of way."
However, Common Carrier status has an important restriction (from the wiki):
What is going to happen is some organization that owns physical property with AT&T equipment installed on it will sue AT&T when they face digital discrimination, assert that (unlike voice traffic) AT&T no longer has Common Carrier status for their data traffic, and demand either the termination of data services traversing their property or fair compensation.
This will go to the Supreme Court, and it will be anybody's guess what will happen to telecommunications at that point - AT&T might have to start paying rent wherever their data lines are installed. It could all very well end in tears.
No, the actual plan comes out in a couple weeks.
If your internet service provider throttles your Netflix internet connection just call and downgrade your service from that $49.99 plan to the $29.99 one. When the customer service rep wants to know why you are downgrading, let them know exactly why their service isn't worth the money you are paying. If it continues to happen call and cancel the service all together. At the end of the day they are a business and like all businesses their #1 priority should be to make you the consumer happy, if they don't it's your job as a consumer to remind them why they need to.
How in the world could they kill off linux and bsd? you people are fucking lunatics.. you come up with some bat shit crazy story in your head and then convince yourself that its true...
I think it's something in the water. I personally have no idea how Linux or BSD would disappear.
My biggest personal concern is that the usual suspects will turn the intertoobz into something like Cable TV. But as I wrote to FudRucker, it it gets that bad, I'm Boom! Outa here. I don't need the internet that badly any more, and have a lot of other interests just waiting to be enjoyed.
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