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Wine Glasses Are Seven Times Larger Than They Used To Be (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Our Georgian and Victorian ancestors may have enjoyed a Christmas tipple but -- judging by the size of the glasses they used -- they probably drank less wine than we do today. Scientists at the University of Cambridge have found that the capacity of wine glasses has ballooned nearly seven-fold over the past 300 years, rising most sharply in the last two decades in line with a surge in wine consumption. Wine glasses have swelled in size from an average capacity of 66ml in the early 1700s to 449ml today, the study reveals -- a change that may have encouraged us to drink far more than is healthy. Indeed, a typical wine glass 300 years ago would only have held about a half of today's smallest "official" measure of 125ml.
Modern wine glasses are also seldom filled to the top. But yeah, I have wine glasses from the 1940'ies and they're much smaller than "typical" today.
Could it just be those are “designer” glasses, that you aren’t supposed fill to the brim.
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Humans weren't 7 times smaller back then. More likely this is a result of mass production, and demand.
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That's crazy, I'm in the UK and I've never seen a glass that size outside of a novelty catalog. I'll concede that wine glass sizes have increased (they used to be sold in 125ml measures, nowadays it's usually 175ml or 250ml) but I've never seen a restaurant or pub selling a measure larger than 250ml, and I drink a lot of wine!
449ml is 5.8 times larger than 66ml, not seven times.
I was in Itally recently, and their wine glasses are still pretty small.
I think this is an american thing.
The summary has it wrong - it was a technological (and tax!) limitation, not an indication of portion size. From the actual study:
And to emphasize the point, the study says:
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If people had to put up with present day leftists back in the 18th century, certainly they would have consumed far more alcohol.
Who used glasses back then? Not any serious drinker. French kissing the bottle was the absolute minimum. Anybody serious bathed directly in the wine barrel head first.
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Nonsense, nobody ever fills up a glass and with the "swimming-pool" type ones you only have a thin strip of wine in the bottom. Big glasses are better to develop aromas as all wine geeks will tell you (that's a fact you can check for yourself), so the glassware manufacturers took notice, made them bigger and so even the dollarstore glasses have changed because everybody wants to look cool. There are even glass shapes per grape variety these days, and you'll find wine geeks ascertain they work, although that is very doubtful.
I've been to a couple of wine tastings and there's always a few minutes spent on the variety of wineglasses in use and on display.
A part of wine snobbery seems to be sloshing around the wine in the glass. OK, I know this has some practical purpose if you're way into wine. But it also seems to lead to ever larger glasses as a kind of way of demonstrating you (or some restaurant you're eating in) is super serious about wine.
This seems to me to lead to a wine glass arms race, as everyone gets more eager to make money selling overpriced bottles of wine, they put out ever larger wine glasses to show how serious their wine is. Now we're in this position where the wine glasses are fish bowl in scale. I'm in a restaurant and I think my wine glass is a reaction chamber for a chemistry experiment.
If wine snobbery never became a thing, would we still be drinking out of smaller glasses?
The article cites one reason why this wine glass size increase is less surprising - the practice of letting red wines "breathe". You aren't doing that in a two ounce glass. And is is not a common practice to fill a balloon-bowl wine glass close to the rim, especially with the aforementioned red wines. Looking at examples of properly served wines on-line I see such bowls never more than half full, and often as little as a quarter full.
Then too, consider that this may simply be to a shift in the role of wine as a beverage. Perhaps wine in 1700 was viewed similar to a cordial today, something consumed in small volumes for its flavor, part of social ritual perhaps. They were definitely drinking beers and distilled spirits in many forms back then. So without taking those into account you cannot say anything at all about alcohol consumption.
I posit that wine has emerged recently as a principal beverage at meals, replacing beers, hard ciders or alcoholic punches that were formerly consumed in that role.
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And depending on the form of the glass, the perfume of the wine will have more interest.
Wine bottles have 75 cl of content because a couple of hundred years ago people thought that was the right amount for 1 person to drink with their evening meal.
litre of beer is the common size in Germany usa is half of that or less.
I need another drink to deal with this!
Heck.. Just give me a bigger glass next time!
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Oxidation bad! You're letting the wine degas when you let it 'breath', not oxidize.
You can rush degas reds with vacuum stoppers. Pour out a glass, put in the stopper, pull a vacuum. Shake gently, remove stopper, it will be, more or less, ready.
The real breakthrough has been in testing the grapes in the fields to select ideal harvest time. That's why cheap wine is so much better. 100 years ago, the only consistently good wine came from France. Germany and Italy has some hit and miss, but the rest of the world's wine tasted like Indian wine today (OMFG that shit was terrible, never again. Worse than _bad_ aussie wine, not saying it's all bad BTW.)
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What non-alcoholic drinks a full 449ml class of wine? My bet is that the glasses are mostly larger for esthetics. The glasses are typically much less than half full when the wine is poured.
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But people are seven times larger than they used to be so they are not getting any drunker.
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As one of my professors told us, you have to volatize your esters...swirl the wine around. I'm betting that that didn't used to be common practice, and thus there was no need for larger glasses.
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My sippy cup is also much bigger today than in the past.
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I think it may be more due to the ability to make huge amount of this stuff so it is more affordable.
A glass of wine made the traditional way (with the quality of a cheap $10 wine) adjusted for inflation would probably be $225 a bottle. Where with mass production we can make a better quality $25 bottle of wine. So today a bottle of wine isn't a trade-off of a week worth of groceries.
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Yeah, back in the old days, EVERYONE used tiny glasses, and NOBODY ever drank to the point of passing out. Consuming excessive amounts of alcohol and passing out is entirely a modern day event, pioneered in 1989 by a frat house (Theta Beta Sigma, I believe) out of Syracuse University.
One liter is not common in Germany.
The normal sizes are 0.4 or 0.5 for a big glass and 0.2 or 0.33 for a small glass. Smalers do exist.
Some beers are served in traditional glasses, which implies 1 liter in Bavaria or 0.2 in Cologne and Duesseldorf.
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...back then and wasn't a multi-billion dollar industry.
Marketing basics calls for increased vessel size, like saying, "apply liberally."
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I was under the impression that wine glasses (which by the way are different shapes for use with different varieties of wine) were the size they are to allow space for the 'nose' of the wine poured to develop, and that there was an olfactory component to the experience of drinking wine. Of course if you're talking about bottles of Two Buck Chuck or Night Train, then I guess a disposable red plastic cup is good enough -- if you don't just swill it straight from the bottle, that is.
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Letters from immigrants to Ameica sent back home to Bavaria, Italy, Greece etc were recovered from dusty attics and long forgotten chests. They mention being able to eat meat/chicken every day as an astonishing thing.
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The most common packaging is 6, 12, 18, or 24 * 16oz bottles or 12 oz cans but if it's sold as a single then it's 40oz bottle or 24oz can. A 6 pack of cans is a little over 2 liters and it would be considered normal for a guy to drink an entire 6 pack over a weekend or a 40oz bottle or 2 * 24oz cans in one evening.
Oxidation bad! You're letting the wine degas when you let it 'breath', not oxidize.
Depends on the wine.
Most of the time you want it to oxidize the bad smelling/tasting aromas.
Wine actually is not supposed to have any gas inside, are you sure you are not mixing it up with "Champagne" style wines?
The problem with regions and countries regarding mass market wines is: the good wine is usually only sold inside of the country. I agree that France (but also Spain) has plentiful superb wines. And that Germany and Italy mostly sell only second grade stuff on the world markets. However the same was true for a long time for Australian, South African and Californian wine.
The big difference is that Germany is more focused on the type of grape in the wine and Spain and France are more focused on the region, but allow to mix grapes. (In Germany we mix grapes, too. But if the wine is sold by grape type "Riesling", "Silvaner" etc.) then a very high percentage of that grape needs to be in the wine.
It is surprising how good wines you can get from Germany, Switzerland, Austria and even UK. White ones especially.
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It's also somewhat disingenuous to conflate capacity with serving size. Modern red wine glasses, which TFA appeared to be talking about, are generally very wide to allow a large surface area at the top. They are supposed to be filled to their widest point, which is typically around 20% of the way up, and have a larger area that narrows higher up to reduce the risk of spilling.
There's also a lot of fashion involved in glass design. A couple of hundred years ago, only rich people would have drunk wine from a glass (poorer people who drank wine would have usually drunk it watered in a tankard). One big shift comes from the fact that most wine drinkers now poor their own. A hundred or two years ago, the fashion was for very small glasses and servants who would keep them filled. Having small glasses that required frequent refilling allowed you to show off the fact that you could afford a load of servants who could keep the glasses full.
Champagne flutes vary considerably in size even today (the nice crystal ones that I have are about double the capacity of the cheap mass-produced glass ones that I use when I can't be bothered with washing up and want ones that can go in the dishwasher). Its chief competitor, the Champagne coupe (which wikipedia informs me was fashionable from the 1700s to the 1970s) is a monumentally stupid design, with a large top surface area so that the champagne goes flat quickly. This was partly for the same reason: it makes your guests drink quickly so that your servants can poor a lot and you can show off how much champagne you can afford as well as the number of servants you have to pour it.
Sherry glasses have seen a shift in fashion from tiny ones that you filled to near the top, to much larger ones that look like scaled-down red-wine glasses (and are filled to around 20-30% full). Again, the glass size has one up but the serving size hasn't changed much.
A lot changed when glass became cheap to produce. For example, now it's very rare to have a bottle of sparkling wine explode, whereas a hundred and fifty years ago it wasn't too uncommon for a major champagne grower to lose a significant chunk of their inventory to bottle explosions.
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Glasses are designed to aerate the wine in order to improve the flavor as well as the shape holds the aroma in the glass allowing the consumer to smell the wine as they taste it. The size and shape of the glass are important for this and specific wines have specific glasses designed just for them. I firmly believe this is dramatic overkill as I can't tell the differences between the glasses but my sommelier friends might disagree with me.
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I thought that different sized glasses were to help with the bouquet and make the experience better! Not that you should Fill the glass to the top.
But it is difficult to understand where a "single serving" of wine should be filled to.
Super size everything. 20oz beer, 24oz soda, 32oz big gulp.
I looked into this awhile ago because I became concerned around drinking & driving. When I was young the limit was 0.10 the rule of thumb was "one drink per hour" Nice and simple to remember (of course now it's 0.08 and the new math isn't easy to remember). But -- it doesn't matter because the friggen wine glasses are 40 Oz. Even if you fill it to the widest part of the glass - a seemingly obvious measuring line - you still have 2 servings of wine. So "2" glasses of wine is really 4 servings.
From both a health perspective and safety - people can easily consume too much.
Wine makers wanted to sell more wine and make more money.
They couldn't easily convince people to drink more glasses of wine because people know that they shouldn't drink "too much". So, they went to the glass blowers and said, "Hey, lets make a deal. You make wine glasses that are bigger so you have to use more glass and get to charge more for them. People will pour more wine into the larger glasses since no one just fills a glass half full. You'll still sell the same number of glasses and you'll get more for them. I'll get to sell more wine because people will either drink more of it or throw the excess away. We'll even cut you in on some of the profits."
And it works for the restaurants too because they get to charge more for larger drinks even if the customer never finishes the drink.
This looks like a huge extrapolation from a single datum.
My understanding of those large wine glasses are to show off the other, non-drinking qualities of the wine. The empty space in the globe collects the wine's bouquet, allowing you to experience more of the wine's scent as you drink, and the large diameter makes it easy to check the wine's density (tip slightly, return to upright, observe how fast the wine on the side of the glass returns to the pool).
Test by: Take your SO to a nice restaurant, order a bottle, and observe the waiter filling the glass. If he fills it all the way to the top, he's doing it wrong (and you should rethink your choice in restaurants). The glass will be about 1/3 full.
Also test by: In, say, 1930, two people would have one approx 730 ml bottle of wine with dinner. In 2017, two people would have one 730 ml bottle of wine with dinner. The size of the glass does not indicate the amount of wine consumed.
Glasses in which adult beverages are served have changed over the years. Champagne glasses, you may have noticed, generally switched in the latter part of last century from the wide "Marie Antoinette" glasses to the slightly taller, slender tulip glasses. (The reason being, the tulip glasses hold the carbonation longer.) Shall we look at this and make the leap that people are drinking drastically less champagne? Panic!
Of course, your mileage may vary. If you're drinking Badger Mountain from a box while watching Claws, you're probably using a water glass anyway. Or a jelly jar.
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You can't avoid a water based liquid containing gasses. Not carbonation but partial pressures of a variety of gases. In the bottle those are typically products of fermentation, which need to diffuse out and let air in for the wine to taste right.
Also reds that are bottled for long term storage need much longer breathing times. More tannin protects the wine, but needs time to escape. Most reds made these days are bottled to be drunk young.
IMHO all regions produce some damn good wine these days, except India, the few bottles I've seen from there have been uniformly _awful_. The science of picking grapes has come a long long way. Grapes grown in too warm regions (e.g. the CA central valley, 'E&J') are now picked early (based on sugar content) and blended with grapes from altitude to make wine that would have been top shelf 100 years ago. The Sierra Nevada is filling with vineyards to supply the 'sour altitude' grapes to make these blends work.
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Your spelling is a little pour.
Humans weren't 7 times smaller back then. More likely this is a result of mass production, and demand.
Perhaps 18 - 24 month olds were heavier wine drinkers than we imagined.
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In Germany a case of good beer costs under 10 euro (plus bottle deposit) and is 20 half liter bottles. We're horribly overtaxed on alcohol in America. I'm guessing suggesting beer taxes is a good way to not get reelected in Germany. As it should be in the USA.
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I have some very old wine glasses - from the '30s and '40s as well as my more recent acquisitions. The glass from which I drank a nice Pinot Noir last night was twice as large as the one my beautiful young bride used to drink her Chardonnay. Her glass was one of the older ones.
Go figure! You'd think bars and restaurants would want smaller glasses to sell more.
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When you fill wine glasses to the widest point on the bowl, which is a good rule of thumb, most wine glasses hold a surprisingly similar amount of wine. That is not 25% full. That is 100% filled to an implied fill line.
In related news, a standard cup of coffee is four ounces. SCAA cupping standard. They brew with 5 ounces, but I'm betting most brewing methods leave close to an ounce behind.
Starbucks used to have a short at eight ounces (two cups). Now their "small" is the old tall (three cups).
* Grande: Four standard cups.
* Venti: Five standard cups.
Plus now the Trenta so that you can nestle 11 ounces of ice into your Venti beverage. Starbucks also tends to have immoderate caffeine extraction rates.
The studies I've read about caffeine show that the optimal caffeine performance boost involves a four ounce shot of normally caffeinated coffee on waking, with another similar (or slightly smaller) shot later in the morning, and then no more caffeine for the rest of the day. After your body gets used to moderation, you won't get a headache if you miss your first coffee the following day. Of course, if you're chasing after a nasty caffeine dependency, the locally "optimal" amount of caffeine follows a hair-of-the-dog trajectory suggestive of the opiod addiction crisis.
The amount of crank that one gets out of coffee does increase with higher doses, but soon the jitters and the state of flattened affect and circular thinking blemish the cognitive surplus, though I suppose winding up in a permanent state of blemished crankhood is hard to detect in the modern millennial who constantly service their social media feed.
Back to wine, that daily drink after work is something that often takes hold in people for whom relaxed is not a possible state. Since alcohol in the evening is known to degrade sleep quality, it's not hard to see how one large glass serves up another.
These days, you wouldn't want a smaller glass, as that the chick you are trying to chat up, would have to keep stopping more often to get a refill which kills your rapport you're trying to establish and build with her after approaching her in a bar.
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"A chicken in every pot"? What a plagiarist. Henri IV of France said the same thing centuries earlier.
I do. Can't see the bottle without them.
This is fake news. We Scots used tankards and wine skins, not these baby wine glasses you refer to.
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That is cheap I think the last time I looked the 12 pack of bottles was like $15 and they are 16.9oz which is .5 liter (no idea if they have gone up). I rarely drink but I still remember getting a case of 24 cans for $4.99 that wasn't anytime this century though we're talking 1980s. I also remember albums, 8 tracks, gas was $.69 when I started driving, and soda fountains where they would squirt the syrup in the glass first then the carbonated water.
We have very good information on EXACTLY how much they drank, so we don't need very indirect info, like the size of wine glasses that have survived.
We have real info from things like George Washington's expense account, the manifests for ships, etc.
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That's good German beer too. Becks and better. No American can piss.
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When I was a kid, soda normally came in 6 1/2 oz bottles. The only place I even see 12 oz any more is in a few vending machine. I normally see them starting at 32 oz in the convenience stores.
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Except beer is taxed in Germany. Has been for centuries. The only exception is alcohol free beer. The tax is much lower than on hard liquor, though.
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Germany makes good mass produced beer using relatively cheap ingredients.
Micro breweries make some good beer (and some awful shit), all using expensive two row barley and the fanciest hops they can put their hands on. Ingredient cost is certainly higher than retail cost for German Lager.
Sure some micro brews are great. Then you have all the near identical brown ales, pumpkin ales (spit) and all the 'beer' that's better called a 'hop smoothy'.
And, as always, the best beer doesn't travel far. Europe also has small breweries. Many don't even bottle their beer. Until you've staggered down the Strasser, you can't know.
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drinking wine is for the ladies and gentlemen of todays society and will be higher and crystal clear. they are hand washed under cold water and dried using a silk cloth then placed in a room temperature environment surrounded by of course silk.
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I'm willing to bet the German beer tax is much much lower than the American one and that politicians that want to raise it, find themselves bouncing down the outside stairs of their government building after the next election.
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It seems like the wine snobs in this thread would argue your glass should be mostly empty. So that you can play with your drink.
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I remember the guide showing us small wine glasses with thick bottoms, and describing that the way of drink then was to knock it back like a shot then slam the glass on the table. The act of knocking it back was to compliment the host that this was not some dubious gut-rot that needed to be approached warily, but of such high quality that sniffing the contents was unnecessary.
Glass design has many more complications than just showing off servants, amount of glass, fashion. The "experience" changes completely with glass - the uninitiated drinkers will say the wine "tastes" different in another glass.
The mechanism from what I understand is that the gases around the surface of the drink enter your nose while drinking and people can't distinguish easily between the flavour experienced through the nose, the flavour experienced from within the mouth, and some other aspects of what they call "taste". These gases change due to the shape of the cup - e.g. the gases are blown away more easily from shallow , wide glasses filled to the brim as compared to those in deep cups which hold the gases for longer. The color / transparency / texture of the cup / glass also has a significant effect that cannot be random variation - I cannot find any reason directly related to the taste / smell subsystem of humans other than, of course, the brain.
And when I say this, I am not even a wine snob, most of my experiences have been with tea. I discovered to my own disappointment that cup shape and color are changing how the tea "tastes" for me even after having clinically consistent ways of making tea. After that, I have conducted placebo controlled experiments on people - and can conclude with reasonable confidence that the "taste" of wine as well as tea changes significantly with the container one drinks it out of.
This is, of course, only my own research. Professionals are testing it with more rigour, and selling their findings mixed with more bullshit - so you might find them more interesting.
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Well, the German tax depends on the beer specific gravity, but according to Wikipedia it is on average EUR 0.094 per liter of beer - that would be about $0.40 per gallon, which is, according to here actually higher than in most of the US states. In comparison Germany would rank at #15, together with Oklahoma. In addition, beer in Germany is taxed at the full VAT of 19%, not the reduced 7% food VAT and beer bottles are always deposit bottles (EUR 0.08 for glass bottles, EUR 0.25 for plastic bottles).
And as for politicians, Merkel was elected for several times, despite everything. Her mentor Kohl, the corrupt piece of shit, ruled Germany for 16 years. We Germans are way too patient.
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It may partly be to do with what was drunk. In the 18c the British allied with Portugal and left claret, which had of course come from France, for fortified wine, mainly port, from Portugal. You drink a lot less of this because it is stronger. Pope was reproached for having left the room after dinner, with the remark 'gentlemen, I leave you to your wind', when there was only a half bottle left. This was stingy, but at least with port it was halfway possible, whereas with the weaker claret it would have been absurd. One consequence was lead poisoning due to the high lead content of port, and this led to the practice of taking the waters for paralysis. When taking the waters, you went to someplace like Bath, where there were warm springs, lay in the hot water for hours and drank mineral water. People would of course urinate in the water. The weightlessness and drinking of large amounts of water led to mineral loss, and so the lead leached out of the system. It was a known thing that there were two kinds of paralysis, only one of which was helped by 'taking the waters'.
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USA has layers and layers of taxation of booze. Federal, state and sometimes local taxes. Some states require that all alcohol be sold via three independent layers (production, wholesale and retail) all of which have to blow a politician regularly to keep their gravy trains going. The really insane states have all booze sold only via state stores, which are not allowed to compete on price, employ useless politician nieces and nephews and open for about 3 hours every second Wednesday.
Bottom line: What you pay 9-10 euro for (10 liters of Beck's, one german case), we pay about $30 (5 American 'six packs').
I will say the made in St Louis Becks is indistinguishable from the German, same as American made Lowenbrau. But you'll also note they don't let the other AB breweries make it. In CA, east bay Budweiser is actually _much_ worse than St Louis Bud, which isn't by any stretch good. Both taste roughly like Alka Seltzer, but the Fairfield bud tastes like Alka Seltzer 'gone bad'.
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My point was that airing or decanting has nothing to do with gas in the wine.
You want to oxidate some bad tasting tannins or othe stuff.
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Exactly! The fashion now--for red wine at least--is to have a huge balloon glass and pour a tiny puddle of red wine into it. The size of the glass has nothing to do with the amount of wine that ends up actually being poured into it.
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I have some hand blown wine glasses from the 70s that were actually from a Bistro in France. They hold 4 oz if filled to the brim and 3oz if filled to the proper point for serving. ..... just an Old Fart observation.
Starting in the late 1970s; I started hearing that my glasses were too small for a "serving size" of wine. Where did that come from.... what I found was in the first discussion of how much alcohol is bad for a person and how much has a positive health benefit.
The common though was that two ounces, or equivalent, was the maximum in a day to not have any bad health effects. An ounce shot of whiskey or other distilled spirits or 7 ounces of wine, or 16 ounces of beer contained the equivalent of 1 once of alcohol.
Thus was the "serving size" of wine and beer varied to suit of an equivalence out of a medical study. Wine glasses moved from holding a quarter or third cup to holding a full cup of tipple. Bottled and canned beer migrated from 8-12 oz containers (1940s) to full pints.
Sidebar: a bottle of distilled spirits or wine can be called a "fifth" and was actually 4/5 quart. Or, coming from the other direction, a fifth of a gallon. 4/5th quart, 1/5 U.S. Gallon, is 757ml. Today, most whiskey bottles and wine bottles are 750ml as a standard size... a "metric fifth"?
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There is oxidation involved in the case of reds with high tannin levels, which I note is uncommon on today's wine market.
But even there you are also degassing, gaseous products of fermentation and aging are in solution and need to escape.
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