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Kaspersky Lab Sues Trump Administration Over Software Ban (reuters.com)
Moscow-based anti-virus company Kaspersky Lab sued the Trump administration in U.S. federal court on Monday, arguing that the American government has deprived it of due process rights by banning its software from U.S. government agencies. From a report: The lawsuit is the latest effort by Kaspersky Lab to push back on allegations that the company is vulnerable to Kremlin influence. The Department of Homeland Security in September issued a directive to U.S. civilian agencies ordering them to remove Kaspersky Lab from their computer networks within 90 days. The order came amid mounting concern among U.S. officials that the software could enable Russian espionage and threaten national security. The ban was codified last week when President Donald Trump signed legislation banning Kasperky Lab from use across civilian and military agencies.
If only, AC. If only...
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
For banning Kaspersky software? You lost me there. Or did you miss telling us something?
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
Well to go with your analogy... in this case he's not ordering Americans to lay down arms, he's ordering Americans not to welcome the enemy into their homes.
I'd say it's perfectly in line with Trump's love of trade barriers, and it'll also align fairly well with the interests of American intelligence agencies (who can spy on you more easily if you use American antivirus software).
It's also at odds with Trump's man-crush on Putin and apparent trust of Russian intelligence over American agencies.
If Trump goes to prison for treason (highly unlikely - even impeachment odds aren't particularly short), it won't be for this.
Yet Putin just thanked the CIA for providing actionable intelligence on a potential terrorist attack inside Russia.
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
he's ordering Americans not to welcome the enemy into their homes.
I pity the poor bastards who call government agencies "home".
Grandpa, how'd you get out of your cage?
I'm certainly not in the category of people screaming "muh Russian hackers" until they're blue in the face, but this lawsuit is dumb. Only Americans have rights to anything, due process included. Moreover, having ANY foreign hardware or software on a government network is beyond dumb. Other nations aren't our friends, even when they are allies.
Thanks, Obama
Hey bro. I let him out, he pisses all over himself when hes in there. I think we can let him play on this ancient website for a little while.
Did you pick up his meds today? Heâ(TM)s almost out.
Trump is only preventing Federal agencies from using Kaspersky Lab's offerings, he's not keeping them from selling to other US customers. You can still buy their products in the USA. I realize that this Federal ban does cut into their market share, but how will suing fix this?
How do they have a lawsuit? Can I now sue the Federal Government if they refuse to use *my* software product?
You cannot sue city hall, Kaspersky Lab's needs to file that suit in the circular file marked "trash" because it's going to be dumped by the courts eventually and turn into a waste of good money.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I'm not one to defend what the current administration/congress does but banning the use of software on government and government contractors' computers that is suspected to be under the control of a foreign government seems well within the scope of the law.
Frankly, if they banned Microsoft's shoddy products then you wouldn't need to bother with Kaspersky.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
The same way your mom's meat curtains got out of her panties. I licked them out.
But Trump works for Putin. why would Putin sue him?!
Why wouldn't he?
It's a lawsuit that's going nowhere anyway... Unless the government agrees to be sued, this will be dismissed.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Nearly every comment on Slashdot lately is off-topic spam. The model of the past two decades isn't working. Something needs to change.
What the F are they smoking?
There is no right to have people buy your products...
You're an idiot.
LOL Dad, youre gross. You could help with Grandpa some today, theres a ton of piss to clean up and he took a shit in the corner again.
I wonder how many Russian government PCs are running Symantec or McAfee...
This will have a cascade effect as Kaspersky is effectively dead in the USA, government agency or not.
Indeed. It would be the end of Kasperkey software if there was the slightest hint that they were colluding with the Russian state. As it would be for all of the American companies who obviously are compromised by the NSA. You jokers are all as bad as each other. Trump is a cretin.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
It probably would have been better (for Trump) if Putin hadn't done that. However, as for providing the intel... I'd do it to, so long as there was a reasonable expectation that the favour might one day be returned.
You can be a competitor with someone - and so far as I know at present the USA and Russia aren't in any immediate danger of open hostilities breaking out - and still have some areas of cooperation due to common interest.
I'm not particularly well versed in international politics, but I suspect there are better ways of retaliating against Russia should the American government acknowledge Russian election meddling than standing by as a terrorist attack is carried out.
>However, as for providing the intel... I'd do it to, so long as there was a reasonable expectation that the favour might one day be returned.
Here's that 'o' I missed:
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If any more letters of the alphabet are missing, please provide your own and I'll reimburse you at a later date.
I don't run any anti-virus software on any of my computers (Mac, Linux, Chromebook).
Why would I want to use this Kaspersky software? Does it run on any of my computers? Do I need to buy a new computer?
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
place? Sheesh, let's see, our government uses closed source SECURITY software from a company located in a (hostile?) foreign country and everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
And yes I know there's a lot of software made outside of the US by non-US companies that are likely used in the US gov't, but security, especially closed-source, software should not be one of those.
It probably would have been better (for Trump) if Putin hadn't done that.
I think there's a strong likelihood that a lot of the anti-Trump trolling and news has Russian origins (ex. dossier). Just a little tweaking of the original anti-POTUS tooling they had prepared for Hillary to create persistent discord in the US.
Kaspersky anti-virus or Intel AMT?
No you idiot, she did not. She, like all of the other cabinet members, approved the sale of a Canadian company who owned uranium mining rights in the US to a Russian one. No Uranium actually left US soil... Hillary Clinton did not go dig it up and mail it to Russia and get a big fat check.
pity the poor bastards who call government agencies "home".
do you think about the military in the same way ?
I'm sure if we cared to investigate, we could find evidence of British meddling, but no, we have to go with Russian.
IIRC, they just removed Kaspersky from the list of potential suppliers. That is, they actively forbid any future government contracts to Kaspersky, but that didn't mean Kaspersky had ever gotten any before.
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She, like all of the other cabinet members, approved the sale of a Canadian company
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
The Clinton campaign told the Times that generally these matters did not reach the secretary's level, so she may not have been involved at all. According to the Times, Jose Fernandez, a former assistant secretary of state, represented the department on the committee. He told the Times: "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."
But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant by the con artist team.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
I didn't know the US is a hostile foreign country to the US. The things one learn...
I dunno.. i mean innocent people losing their lives is a bad thing regardless of the diplomatic relationship with the country. I'd rather not have people die due to a tit for tat mentality.
Considering that both Google and Microsoft have effectively reallocated their IP outside the US, I guess the US should ban using them too for all the security features they incorporate into your software.
They should have red-white-and-blue Linux. And then immediately run everything in WINE. Or just unofficially by Windows since so much software that's used is closed source. Oh, and a lot of it still requires admin access to work which inherently subverts most security software.
Seriously, your suggestion is unworkable. At least a ban on Kaspersky based on evidence of a breach would make sense. As it stands, I'm not sure we even have that.
Please elaborate. I fail to see the relevancy to my post. Do you think Kaspersky is a US company?
... I suspect there are better ways of retaliating against Russia should the American government acknowledge Russian election meddling than standing by as a terrorist attack is carried out.
Helping an adversary when they're in trouble is called "taking the high road". It's a completely new concept for Trump and his administration, so it will feel strange to them -- and us -- for a while, especially if they try continuing down that road (but, I'm not holding my breath).
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
By "effective" you mean "Not true at all but let's act like it is and then make derivative outrageous indignation conclusions." Got it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
"American multinational technology company with headquarters in Redmond, Washington"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_Lab
"a multinational cybersecurity and anti-virus provider headquartered in Moscow, Russia[1] and operated by a holding company in the United Kingdom"
And no, I choose not to take you seriously.
everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
B-but DRUMPF!!!!
Look, Mom, I typed it again!!!!!11111 XD XD XD
Lol coward is correct. Please never change they way you are, it's easier for us to identify and avoid your kind.
I don't care enough to jump through hoops to get a password reset on my account. AC is fine for me on this dying clickbait-driven site...
Given the Russian proclivity to cyber spying and penetration of critical infrastructure, I am absolutely fine with the ban of Kaspersky software on US Government systems. I should add that I am also completely fine with the ban on Lenovo products in US Government agencies when it is almost commonly known that the Chinese government engages in cyber warfare as well.
In 298 days, President Trump has made 1,628 false and misleading claims
Eat a dick, Chekist pig. You're lucky if you're ever allowed to set foot on Western soil again.
They sponsor Scuderia Ferrari. Seb Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen don't mind. Neither do I.
Been a reader on this site since the beginning and it don't seem to be going anywhere. In fact, appears to me they've improved things in the past couple of years, especially with content.
Most entertaining are the occasional random crazy trolls who choose to waste their time on sites they despise.
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
A) The Clintons and Soros control that fact check website you linked, you literally cited propaganda.
B) The Clintons received over 100m in their personal accounts for that sale, but sure, it was "unrelated."
C) You're a shill.
Really? eat shit
So you agree then that MS is commit tax fraud? Because you can't have it both ways. Either they're a US company and must abide by US tax law which clearly spells out that tax rates apply to their income or they're some sort of magical multi-national organization which allows them to violate US tax laws while we simultaneously claim they're not in the US when it pleases us for enforcement purposes.
Great. Nor does the US government take itself seriously. Which probably means this ban is effectively futile.
He is ordering Americans not to let him into their homes? Didn't anyone tell him there was no special need for that one?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
wth are you talking about? Go home commie, we don't want your software
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
A) The Clintons and Soros control that fact check website you linked, you literally cited propaganda.
B) The Clintons received over 100m in their personal accounts for that sale, but sure, it was "unrelated."
C) You're a shill.
What the fuck are you smoking and how the hell did you get that the Clintons and Soros control factcheck.org? They have nothing to do with that website. You really should stop getting your news from Facebook or opinion sites that spread false information.
The problem starts when American state starts to support and sponsor their businesses against competition. This is what organizations like WTO and NAFTA supposed to prohibit, because a state sponsored business has unfair advantage over a private one.
Terrorism spreads like cancer. If you ignore it "over there" then it will eventually come after you.
Intel's stock is up almost 4% today.
place? Sheesh, let's see, our government uses closed source SECURITY software from a company located in a (hostile?) foreign country and everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
I agree with you, but let's not get distracted from the real issue here. First of all, any organization is free to audit the Kaspersky software. This was even true before this incident.
The real issue here is that an idiot NSA developer took his work home with him and put it on his personal laptop.
According to Kaspersky, its security package running on the PC detected Pho's copies of the NSA exploits as new malicious software, and uploaded the powerful spyware to its cloud for further analysis by its researchers.
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Kaspersky Lab has denied any wrongdoing in the matter or illicit ties to Russian intelligence. The security vendor also pointed out Pho's machine was infected with loads of malware, meaning any miscreant could have stolen Uncle Sam's cyber-weapons.
source
In other words, the NSA seems incapable of keeping its top secret information secret. That employee should never have been able to download source code from the NSA.
He was a developer, not a system administrator. There is a reason you keep people's functions separated. It's because each position has its own set of incentives. As a developer, your job security depends on finishing projects. But as a sysadmin, your job security is based on securing the systems developers use.
Furthermore, if the NSA can't keep its own most important information secure, there is no way in hell that any other organization or government agency will be able to do the same with a large database of manufacturers' backdoors.
They should - as soon as the story broke - have moved their servers outside Russia and the reach of Putin, just to eliminate any possibility of interference. They didn't do that, which could be interpreted as unwillingness or similar, possibly due to legal pressure within Russia, keeping the rumor of (forced?) surveillance intact.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
and replace russia with the US, kapersky with other major vendor, and add that they were known to have been asked at some point to not detect NSA malware, and now you get why the world should distrust *ALL* hardware, cloud plateform and software coming from the US. How does the quid pro quo feel ?
Because as we know, the NSA is the equivalent of the Cheka and its successor agencies -- the most blood-soaked and monstrously immoral enterprise in the history of mankind. Who literally murdered millions of people without due process in cold blood; whose leaders used to rape little girls, and get off on their dying screams as they fucked them.
Right. Stay classy. Keep up with your bullshit Russian moral equivalancy.
Yes, we've already seen evidence that they were trolling both sides.
Well yes, all those sad dependent cases who can't function outside of the rigid control and guidance provided by their institutions.
I wonder if Kaspersky AV is one of the few products that detect NSA toolsets. I was at a kaspersky event over a decade ago and there were questions asked that he responded to by saying: "I can't talk about that." So yea, it could be the potential for collusion with the Russian Government, but it could also be the lack of cooperation with the US Government, specifically in terms of detecting NSA toolsets. I don't know how this would work out in terms of details; it's just an idea.
Kaspersky sued the DHS, not the Executive Branch of government.
I don't trust any AV vendor, or any government for that matter. I'm less worried about Russia getting my info than a branch of the US government getting my data. It's low risk in either case, but Russians are less likely to be interested in me than the US. This is most definitely not the case with sensitive US government computers.
Moreover, there has been more than the slightest hint that Kaspersky has to collude with the Russian government, and it hasn't crashed yet.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
McCarthyism all over again!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.