Slashdot Mirror


10 Years of the MacBook Air (theverge.com)

Ten years ago today, Steve Jobs introduced the MacBook Air. "Apple's Macworld 2008 was a special one, taking place just days after the annual Consumer Electronics Show had ended and Bill Gates bid farewell to Microsoft," The Verge recalls. "Jobs introduced the MacBook Air by removing it from a tiny paper office envelope, and the crowd was audibly shocked at just how small and thin it was..." From the report: At the time, rivals had thin and light laptops on the market, but they were all around an inch thick, weighed 3 pounds, and had 8- or 11-inch displays. Most didn't even have full-size keyboards, but Apple managed to create a MacBook Air with a wedge shape so that the thickest part was still thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony TZ Series -- one of the thinnest laptops back in 2008. It was a remarkable feat of engineering, and it signaled a new era for laptops. Apple ditched the CD drive and a range of ports on the thin MacBook Air, and the company introduced a multi-touch trackpad and SSD storage. There was a single USB 2.0 port, alongside a micro-DVI port and a headphone jack. It was minimal, but the price was not. Apple's base MacBook Air cost $1,799 at the time, an expensive laptop even by today's standards.

152 comments

  1. Best *laptop* I've ever owned by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I say *laptop* I use it for email, presentations, business operations and demonstrations. I don't use it for software development or any kind of network or processor intensive tasks.

    It's thin, light, rugged with a good screen. Works well with projectors with 6+ hours of battery life (after four years). Microsoft Office's operation is fair (but I think that's more of Microsoft's issue than Apple's OS X).

    I'm not an Apple guy (although I am a vehement Win 10 hater), just that this laptop has done what I've needed of it for years for my business, in a variety of different locations (and countries) without a glitch or problem of any kind.

    1. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I say *laptop* I use it for email, presentations, business operations and demonstrations. I don't use it for software development or any kind of network or processor intensive tasks.

      It's thin, light, rugged with a good screen. Works well with projectors with 6+ hours of battery life (after four years). Microsoft Office's operation is fair (but I think that's more of Microsoft's issue than Apple's OS X).

      I'm not an Apple guy (although I am a vehement Win 10 hater), just that this laptop has done what I've needed of it for years for my business, in a variety of different locations (and countries) without a glitch or problem of any kind.

      There are plenty of people who do use the MacBook Air for development and it does well. Maybe this is more amongst web developers?

      Back in 2014 I bought my MacBook Air because I needed to replace my ageing MacBook Pro that had suffered a coffee spill and I was on a tight budget, but still wanted to stay with an Apple branded computer. We are now in 2018 and it is still doing a good enough job. Certainly if graphics processing matters then it isn't a great choice, but otherwise it is a good general use computer. I am a developer and I use mine mainly for NodeJS and Java development.

      --
      Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    2. Re: Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Amateur, not armature. Yes, pissing my pants right now as we speak.

    3. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      We get a choice of Macbook Pro or Macbook Air at work. Generally only people who travel a lot prefer the Air, because the screen is so tiny, the keyboard is cramped, it's not nearly as powerful.

    4. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The Air hasn't seen a major upgrade since 2015. The Macbook Pro is a way better machine, and since MBPs no longer have HDDs, it is almost as thin.

      Max thickness of Macbook Air: 0.68 inches
      Max thickness of Macbook Pro: 0.71 inches

      So you save 0.03 inches (less than a mm), and get a far inferior computer.

    5. Re: Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      large dinosaur corporations still equate laptop size with org chart strata, one of their mind numbing idiosyncrasies that ultimately presage their demise. it's like penis size in reverse.

    6. Re: Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A MacBook Armature sounds like a something that is best paired with an Apple Stator. I wonder if this is how they do a 7200 RPM SSD these days...

    7. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by Solandri · · Score: 1

      It's thin, light, rugged with a good screen

      The Macbook Airs used a decent TN screen (colors don't shift as badly as the worst ones), but it's dim and the color saturation sucks (about 60% sRGB, though some of the earlier models were closer to 50%). I've had to steer numerous artists and photographers away from the MBA because of this. If you do color work and want a Mac, you're pretty much stuck with the Macbook Pros. Apple knows which industries butter their bread, and always gimped the MBA with a poor color screen to prevent it from siphoning sales from the MBP. And when they finally did introduce a MBA-style Mac with a decent screen (the "Macbook" w/ 80% sRGB), they priced it the same as a MBP.

      Still, no argument the MBA was a good travel laptop for business and office tasks.

    8. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      So you save 0.03 inches (less than a mm), and get a far inferior computer.

      for a far lesser price.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    9. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, a cheaper one. The macbook air is now their cheapest offering, but no their lightest.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    10. Re:Best *laptop* I've ever owned by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      The max thickness is somewhat misleading, because the MBP is a regular cuboid, whereas the air tapers towards the keyboard and so ends up being quite a bit thinner at the front and on average. I wasn't particularly tempted by one, but I have some colleagues who really like theirs.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  2. Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who could forget the purse of adapters and USB hubs Air owners had to carry because the device had no ports?

    1. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      My laptop has Ethernet, HDMI, Thunderbolt, USB2, USB3, SD slot, head phones and microphone jacks.

      The only thing ever really plugged in to it is a USB wireless mouse transceiver. I used to use a bluetooth mouse, but the dodgy Intel bluetooth kept randomly dropping out.

      Sometimes I plug an SD card in to it, but that's via a micro to standard SD adapter.

      Lots of people don't ever plug anything but the power cord in to their laptop.

    2. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I work as an IT integrator and am constantly visiting customer sites. Last time work refreshed my laptop (~3 years ago) I requested and received a Mac Air. There's been one refresh since, but the Air is still working fine and I kept it, the ultrabooks everyone else got have been swapped out.

      The only thing I usually need to carry is a USB to serial cable just in case I need to work on a router. I have a thunderbolt to ethernet adaptor, but don't use it that often - amongst other things, I'm the guy who usually specs and supervises wireless rollouts, so most of the people I visit either have wireless or have it by the time I need to access their stuff. I do carry an charger, but I can't remember the last time I had to use it during a work day. Easily 8-10 hours to a charge.

      If I had a normal HP laptop for work, I'd still need to carry a USB to serial adaptor, probably would need a USB-C to Ethernet adaptor (just in case) and I would grumble as much as everyone else about scrounging spare chargers.

    3. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This "dongle madness" is spreading. I'm looking for a new laptop and it seems that most anything that's even close to the size of an Apple will have only USB-C, headphones, and a power port (if it doesn't use USB-C for power), and maybe a SD card slot.

      I'm not complaining. I like it really. I don't have to look for the video port to plug in a monitor, the Ethernet port to connect to the network, the serial port to the router (or whatever I need to program at the time), and the mouse port for a mouse. It's just one port does it all and the adapter circuitry is so small it's part of the plug or cord. The MacBook Pro with it's two or four ports means I'm not likely to need a hub or dock in most cases. With just one port then I'll need a dongle of some sort but with the power bricks and adapters so much smaller now I'm still ahead on space in my bag. For most things I expect I'll need just a cheap USB 2.0 A to C adapter which can be had in three packs for $10 or so.

      I've had people complain about not knowing what kind of port or cable to use since one USB-C port can be for power, video, Thunderbolt devices, and USB devices. After some research in this I see that the specifications require iconography on the cable end to indicate the capability of the cable. Sometimes the icon might be hard to read or otherwise a bit ambiguous but I'm not sure I still see a problem. Maybe I'll change my tune once I get my new computer.

      --
      I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
    4. Re: Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably swapped their ultra books out because thereâ(TM)s been more newer and better to get. Doesnâ(TM)t mean youâ(TM)re mba is still doing fine. Just means you have no problem settling for mediocre.

    5. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Beware the small power bricks. They are small because they are not very powerful, and can't supply enough current under heavy load so the laptop has to draw power from the battery. That not only discharges the battery, but it also wears it out faster. And of course, the battery is not user-replacable.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    6. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by cstacy · · Score: 1

      Last time work refreshed my laptop

      I misread that as "retrashed" for some reason...

    7. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The only thing I usually need to carry is a USB to serial cable just in case I need to work on a router.

      And of course you'd have to do that with just about every modern PC notebook too.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    8. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The problem is the transition era. We saw the same thing when computers started coming out with only USB for peripherals (original iMac and then a load of PCs). First you need USB to PS/2 adaptors and so on, then all of your new peripherals start using USB and you wonder why you ever needed PS/2, serial and parallel ports. In a few years, everything will be using USB-C (already almost everything is USB and USB 3 is fast enough for pretty much everything else, and the few other things can still use a USB-C port) and you'll wonder why everyone was complaining. Until then, there's going to be an annoying transition period when the computers use USB-C but no one yet has the newer peripherals.

      That said, I yesterday stopped by a colleague's desk and saw that he has about 1cm of USB flash drive connected to his computer via a 10cm USB-A to USB-C dongle and couldn't help laughing.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    9. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      But they are stretching out the transition era by not going USB-C for the phones as well.

      I have travel dongles for HDMI, VGA, DVI, Ethernet, and serial for different needs; at least my Air doesn't need an SD adapter too...

    10. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Apple isn't, but most non-Apple phones have USB-C at the high end and it's gradually propagating to the low end. Apple is in a bit of a difficult position, because Lightning is very similar to USB-C (similar size, reversible, carries USB 3 signal). It's not a huge improvement for consumers (there aren't many peripherals that you plug into both a phone and a computer, so you need a USB to Lightning cable anyway, and there's little difference between carrying a USB-A to Lightning or a USB-C to Lightning one) and there are now a bunch of phone / tablet peripherals that use it. In contrast, for most other manufacturers, USB-C is a better connector than microUSB (it's more resilient and it's reversible), so there's a bigger incentive for them to upgrade. I imagine that Lightning will go away at some point though.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    11. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that, for some bizarre reason, Apple chose to go with Lightning connectors for charging the latest versions of its wireless keyboard, mouse, and trackpad!

      Seriously, Apple - WTF?

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    12. Re:Ah yes, the beginning of the dongle era by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they're planning on switching the phones to USB-C and had a bunch of Lightning sockets that they needed to get rid of...

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  3. I wish they were still trying by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They really don't give a damn about anything that runs OS X these days and it's a shame. You'd think with all the money they have they'd be willing to take some risks and innovate.

    1. Re:I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is appy guy when you need him?

    2. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, the best or only way to increase profits is just to keep cutting costs.

      In this case, cut macs, Mac OS, QA department, etc...

      The question is how long can this strategy be sustained.

    3. Re:I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ten years later and the only major change in the Air was from a spinning disk to solid state storage; the machine still uses a TN display.

    4. Re:I wish they were still trying by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      It's laptops and desktop computers. What's left to "innovate" outside of some radically new technology that makes one of the individual components better?

      I wish Apple would quit trying to come out with new stuff all the time and get the bugs and quirks in their products ironed out. Take two years and don't release any wildly new hardware or software features and just refine the hell out of what's out there now.

    5. Re:I wish they were still trying by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      What kind of innovation? There has been no innovation in the computer space for a long time. Processors are marginally faster then they were when the Air was first introduced. This 10 year old computer is roughly equivalent to what you can get now.

    6. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true MBA. Cut costs, sustain or even enhance short term profitability, and cash out. Works great for the individual manager but will certainly tank the business sooner than later.

    7. Re: I wish they were still trying by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually cutting costs is a game to prolong failure.
      Gateway 2000 back in the early to mid 1990s were well known for its quality. Sure they cost a bit more but it was worth the extra price. Then they started to cust costs and make cheaper products which made people to hate the product.
      Dell in the mid 1990s to mid 00. Play the same story.
      Mid 00 - mid teens Apple has the spot.
      Now the question what is the quality computer line up that is coming up next?
      Lenovo the think pad line has consistently kept its quality. HP? Acer? Microsoft?

      In general while the tech crowd is more or less happy with getting a lot of cheap hardware. Most consumers want a good piece of hardware even if it costs extra money and even if it has a higher total cost of ownership.
      Because we can get a computer at half the cost and during its lifetime we just need to replace half of its components. We still save money. But that is for the people who likes to fix these things. For average person such issues stress them out and having to fix their box is scary and resent having bought the product in the first place.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    8. Re:I wish they were still trying by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Apple *did* innovate in the netbook space. With a touchscreen, pencil and detachable keyboard - the iPad Pro.

      Something running OS X, you say? Dunno, ask Tim.

    9. Re:I wish they were still trying by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Well, they tried anyway. I don't think that Apple has sold nearly as many iPad Pro's as they wanted to, mostly because you can get a much more functional and powerful Ultrabook for around the same price once you add all of the iPad Pro accessories.

    10. Re: I wish they were still trying by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, the best or only way to increase profits is just to keep cutting costs.

      That only works if the cost of what is being cut exceeds the profits it generates.

      I doubt if this is true for Macs. They are some of the best selling laptops made by any company, and they sell at a significant premium compared to Windows laptops. The only extra cost is maintaining OSX, but I have heard there are only a few dozen employees working on it full time, and there is a lot of source duplication with iOS.

      Macs should be a cash cow for Apple.

      Disclaimer: I have a newish 15" Macbook Pro and I am very happy with it.

    11. Re: I wish they were still trying by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Dell and HP enterprise lines are really well built.

      I'm typing this on a Dell M6700 that is built like a tank. My new work laptop is a HP ZBook G3.

      However neither of them are anywhere near the 'cheap' side of the spectrum.

    12. Re: I wish they were still trying by Entropius · · Score: 1

      My XPS 13 seems quite well built. There is a slightly bent corner after a fall from 4 feet onto concrete (ow!), but other than that it's held up to very heavy use for two years. The aluminum seems sturdier than Macs.

      There've been no problems with the hardware and it runs (L/K)ubuntu just fine.

    13. Re:I wish they were still trying by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Innovation? I was using a device that looked and worked remarkably like the iPad while Jobs was still at NeXT. Ran Midori Linux, IIRC.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    14. Re:I wish they were still trying by cyn1c77 · · Score: 2

      They really don't give a damn about anything that runs OS X these days and it's a shame. You'd think with all the money they have they'd be willing to take some risks and innovate.

      Innovate? Uh, hello....? Apple has definitely been innovating!

      Non-user removable laptop batteries? Soldered in RAM? Non-user removable hard drives?

      No headphone jack!!!??

      COURAGE!

    15. Re: I wish they were still trying by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      NEC make great laptops. Quality as good as any, thin, light, good performance... And a reasonable number of USB ports.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    16. Re:I wish they were still trying by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      They really don't give a damn about anything that runs OS X these days and it's a shame. You'd think with all the money they have they'd be willing to take some risks and innovate.

      You mean like they did with the current Mac Pro?

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    17. Re: I wish they were still trying by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Macs should be a cash cow for Apple.

      They are. Apple now makes more money with Macs alone than they made all together 11 years ago. You know, back when many experts where claiming that since the iPod made them more money than the Mac, they'd stop making Macs in a few years and focus on iPods (even the ones that expected an Apple phone predicted that). Pretty much what the same experts say today.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    18. Re:I wish they were still trying by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Apple *did* innovate in the netbook space. With a touchscreen, pencil and detachable keyboard - the iPad Pro.

      Something running OS X, you say? Dunno, ask Tim.

      He'll probably tell you about the ModBook that has been available for 11 years now.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    19. Re: I wish they were still trying by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only extra cost is maintaining OSX, but I have heard there are only a few dozen employees working on it full time, and there is a lot of source duplication with iOS.

      That's quite misleading. Apple's CoreOS team, which is responsible for the XNU kernel, libc, and a few other bits is very small (and 95% of what they do is applicable to both macOS and iOS). On top of that, there are a lot of frameworks that are shared between iOS and macOS, and a quite large compiler / tools team that develops XCode, contributes a lot to LLVM/Clang/LLDB, maintains Swift, and so on, which is also shared between all operating systems (XCode is Mac only, but it is primarily used for iOS development these days). I think AppKit is about the only framework that is macOS only. There are also a lot of Mac-only Apple apps, and that's where the real costs come from.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    20. Re: I wish they were still trying by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      ASUS, in my experience, kicks ass. They are always my top recommendation for laptops.

      --
      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    21. Re: I wish they were still trying by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      HP has been garbage since the Vectra. A couple of Kayaks were OK but most would slice your fingers off as soon as look at you. It's all been downhill for HP since they gave up having their own architecture :)

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    22. Re: I wish they were still trying by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > Lenovo the think pad line has consistently kept its quality.

      Oh... ho... You've obviously forgotten how good ThinkPads were back when they were IBM branded and Armonk's QC people kept the factory people at Lenovo under their gaze and thumbs. Once IBM sold the brand and Lenovo was left to its own devices, ThinkPads have deteriorated big time. Want a decent windows pc lappy? Go with Toshiba. They've remained solid and reliable machines for nearly a quarter-century now. ThinkPads are crap since IBM abandoned them.

      --
      Imagine all the people...
    23. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your XPS 13 has been having in three consecutive models of the same serie a known interference problem because the wifi is right next to the USB-C interface.
      Dell has just done a workaround of lowering the potency of the wifi interface, which seems rather smart (that is irony).
      And Dell lusers are left on their own wondering why they have wifi performance issues.
      Well built only on your dreams.

    24. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno what you are smoking, but send it over here. That shit must be good.

    25. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alas, not three models. Three generations of the XPS models.

    26. Re: I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ASUS, in my experience, kicks ass. They are always my top recommendation for laptops.

      ASUS Laptops are the worst. Terrible driver page, incredibly thick and heavy, a mere 9 or so hours of battery life.

    27. Re:I wish they were still trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Innovation? I was using a device that looked and worked remarkably like the iPad while Jobs was still at NeXT. Ran Midori Linux, IIRC.

      Highly doubtful. Let me guess, it used a resistive touch screen? It was black and white? It had less than 10 programs total? It took 30 minutes to do the same thing you could do on a laptop in 3 minutes? No multitasking?

    28. Re: I wish they were still trying by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      "Go with Toshiba. They've remained solid and reliable machines for nearly a quarter-century now."
      Except for the keyboards. In order for me to type on a Toshiba keyboard laptop I will need to have at least a mild concussion.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  4. My best laptop. by grub · · Score: 2

    I use a mid-2011 Air for almost everything that doesn't require a huge amount of power to run. Battery could use replacing as it's tough to go 4-5 hours, but it's by far the best laptop I've ever owned.

    VNC, SSH w/X, or RDP to connect to beefier desktop or workstation machines completes it.

    --
    Trolling is a art,
    1. Re:My best laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #MeToo :)
      I even regret bying an ASUS last year. I still prefer the MacBook Air, whichi is getting close to 7 year old.

  5. Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by Qbertino · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember all the stupid jokes from my fellow nerd buddies. They didn't get it.
    The MB Air was the first full powered portable work PC that you could carry around without breaking your back. 1.5 kg, 6 hours of battery time, sometimes more if you dimed the backlight and turned off wifi. I still have mine and it still is usable and useful. Although it does boot rather sluggish with macOS Sierra.

    I hope they continue the line and make cheaper mac laptops again. 1500 Euros for a regular MB pro is just too much,

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re: Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the first guy i remember having a mba was our cto in a company i worked for at the time...

      i thought to myself, ok, after the main customer ditches our product we are toast. and we were.

      you see, at the time the company was using sdk tools you couldnt use on an osx machine. the compilers werent available for it. none of the gui tools were usable with it.

      also - the same company was using visual sourcesafe. in 2007.

    2. Re:Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      I remember all the stupid jokes from my fellow nerd buddies. They didn't get it. The MB Air was the first full powered portable work PC that you could carry around without breaking your back. 1.5 kg, 6 hours of battery time, sometimes more if you dimed the backlight and turned off wifi. I still have mine and it still is usable and useful. Although it does boot rather sluggish with macOS Sierra.

      I hope they continue the line and make cheaper mac laptops again. 1500 Euros for a regular MB pro is just too much,

      Bought the 12 inch MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro, I can't say I miss the Pro model's processing power all that often and I don't miss the extra weight either. The really fun part is discussing my preference for super compact laptops (even at the expense of CPU power) with some of my co-workers who still have a PC gray-box standing in a little shrine in their apartment, Nvidia display card, 32 GB of RAM Latest Intel processor, Windows, ... 'How can you live with only 8 GB of RAM?!?!?' ... It's like a debate between Republicans and Democrats, i.e. total disconnect.

    3. Re:Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People forget what a brick the first Macbook Air was. At a hefty 1.5kg it wasn't exactly light.

      A couple of years later there were dozens of models that were a similar size but weighed half as much, and let you replace various components. Apple deserve credit for starting the trend, but it was definitely a first generation product.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re:Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by ncy · · Score: 1

      The MB Air was indeed pretty cool in terms or portability and what you got in that size back then. My problem was when it needed repairs (no AppleCare : P), the Apple Store said regardless of how little or how big the problem was, MB Airs are a $750 flat fee to send out to get fixed (they said they didn't fix MB Airs in-store). At that time, I think it was about $1200 to get a brand new updated MB Air, so it definitely made no sense to do that, for what should've been a simple keyboard replacement. Frustrating to be in that position, where either way I basically had to pay more money than I would've liked.

    5. Re: Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The first person I saw with one was Cameron Diaz in the airport security line. (I bought more Apple stock.)

    6. Re:Neat device. Got meself one back in Q1 2011. by Tom · · Score: 1

      6 hours? What are you doing with your MBA? I get mine to 11 hours doing standard office tasks.

      It is an amazing machine, and you are perfectly right that they were the first company to make notebooks truly portable.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  6. Released by Steve Jobs by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Has Apple released anything since Steve Jobs died that hasn't been a total flop?

    1. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes

    2. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by grub · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple Watch is a new one that is raking in cash. Updates on other devices have proven very successful. Their valuation is far higher than at any time Jobs was in charge.

      --
      Trolling is a art,
    3. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The entire smart watch market is a flop.

    4. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says who? Apple won't release their sales numbers for the watch, they don't break out that product category. The valuation is high because of phones, not watches.

    5. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by grub · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple Watch has the highest sales of any smart watch or luxury watch. I see them everywhere.
      Seven million units according to Forbes.

      --
      Trolling is a art,
    6. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet it is still a massively underperforming flop, far and away underselling analyst and apple expectations with very poor growth.

    8. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe travel around a little? even asian yuppies dont give a shit about apple watch.

    9. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, all they've done is release total flops for the past 6+ years. That's why they're the most valuable company in the world.

    10. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even though Apple sell more watches than Rolex? Failure compared to what ... compared to the runaway-once-in-a-lifetime success of the iPhone?

    11. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by rl117 · · Score: 2

      I've never seen one, ever. A co-worker's FitBit is about it. The market for smart watches and luxury watches is tiny. Who wears watches anymore? Not many people that I encounter.

    12. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Rolexes of course being just as affordable as the iWatch...

    13. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so if itâ(TM)s expensive, and millions of people are buying them, and itâ(TM)s also making them lots of money, itâ(TM)s a flop? again, compared to what?

    14. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Has Apple released anything since Steve Jobs died that hasn't been a total flop?

      Funny how you declared everything Apple released when Jobs was still alive a flop too.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    15. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The entire smart watch market is a flop.

      Compared to what exactly? Fidget spinners?

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    16. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Says who? Apple won't release their sales numbers for the watch, they don't break out that product category. The valuation is high because of phones, not watches.

      Ahh. Let's say you owned the Apple Watch business - would you shut it down to stop the losses? Or be happy that you had one of the most profitable companies in the world? Don't compare it to the iPhone, compare it to everything else.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    17. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've seen a few, though to be fair most of them were on Apple employees. The one use I've seen for them that I actually like is two-factor auth. I saw a colleague use this and it seems pretty convenient. The watch connects to the computer via Bluetooth and when you need to do 2FA the watch beeps and prompts for a fingerprint and then signs the request. It's more convenient than carrying a U2F token around with you, but not quite so convenient that I would actually want one.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    18. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Selling more watches than Rolex is an idiotic metric. More people can afford an iWatch than a Rolex. Oh, and turn off smart punctuation in your keyboard settings if you want to make your posts more legible.

    19. Re: Released by Steve Jobs by Camembert · · Score: 1

      Actually it is selling more by value. Expectation is that in 2017 there were approx 20 million + Apple watches sold. Indeed that is like 10% or less of the iPhones being sold but still a pretty good number,

    20. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same can be said of Macs since they bring in only 15% of Apple's revenue. They could shut it down and still have a good business selling phones and associated support services. And Apple wouldn't have try to please both consumers and professionals with their desktop computers. Of course they would have to move the SDK to Windows but it could be done.

    21. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      They were expected to sell over 34 million units in the first year.
      Last figures I found were 33 million units after 2.5 years. That includes the launch of the new series that you can wear in the rain without worrying about water damage.

      Turns out people don't want a watch that won't last 24 hours on a charge (18 hour claim, with a disclaimer than it was measured on pre-production hardware and software - they couldn't be bothered or didn't want to release real tests on real products). You can't even go away for a weekend without bringing your proprietary charger, that doesn't even work with your other Apple products.

    22. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      When did I do that?
      The iPod and iPhone were definitely not flops.

    23. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      They were expected to sell over 34 million units in the first year. Last figures I found were 33 million units after 2.5 years.

      IOW they sold more Watches than "phablets" were sold in that time, something that supposedly is the hot shit to have which everybody buys. Typical flop.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    24. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Considering a phablet is a phone with a screen between 5.1" and 7", Apple only sell one phone, the iPhone 8. The 8 Plus and X are both phablets with 5.5 and 5.8" screens.
      The 6 Plus, 6S Plus and 7 were all phablets too. All 5.5" screens.
      Phablets weren't a flop, the term is just used less because every flagship smartphone is one. So are most mid-range phones now

      The iPhone 8 is the slowest selling model, with the 8 Plus and X both outselling it.
      There have been more iPhone X sales in the last quarter than iWatch sales, ever.

    25. Re:Released by Steve Jobs by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Well, considering a "phablet" should have a larger than "normal" screen, less than 10% of all Androids are. And that number would also include tablets. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html - so yeah, Phablets not made by Apple are a flop. Deal with the failure.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  7. For the right user, perfect by speedlaw · · Score: 2

    I write for a living, so I "open" "save" and sometimes even "Print". The most video I'll ever use is Thunderbolt to a 1080 monitor. I bought an 11 inch Air, and pounded on it every day for five years. When it died (J and K didn't work any more, and the screen joint was loose), I tossed it and bought a 13 inch...the 11 being out of production. I was disappointed to see I was buying basically the same machine with a bigger screen and a touch more memory......but it was a bit cheaper, and for open-save-print, still great. The alternative in Windows is half the price, but the time spent keeping Windows 10 running, removing malware, etc pays back quickly. I didn't consider the new Pro, only because the USB was missing. There was room for a USB port, guys....

    1. Re:For the right user, perfect by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      How did you get malware on a Windows 10 machine if you only run 'Open Save Print'??

    2. Re:For the right user, perfect by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      was disappointed to see I was buying basically the same machine with a bigger screen and a touch more memory......but it was a bit cheaper, and for open-save-print, still great.

      So it was a bit cheaper, and had more memory and likely the same weight, does exactly what you want and was still available... failing to see the problem here.

      I mean if the machine worked that well for you and they still make it, great!

      The alternative in Windows is half the price

      Really? I've never seen a windows machine half the price of a mac that has comparable specs once you include build quality and weight. In fact, the lat time I was in the market for a machine in the same general class as a Mac Air, I got a Zenbook UX21 which was pretty much exactly the same price, weight and general specs as the Air at the time (the Zenbook had more flash though).

      A far cry from half the price.

      I didn't consider the new Pro, only because the USB was missing. There was room for a USB port, guys....

      Yes there is. I jsut set up a top enc Carbon X1 (cheaper than the top enc Mac Pro, so there is a bit of overpricing there). It's better in all specs pretty much, includint the keyboard quality and existence of a real hardware escape key.

      And it has full size USB-A, HDMI and some USB-C too.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    3. Re:For the right user, perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the trick is that the malware itself has many more options than the user does as it's not limited to the crippled interface.

    4. Re:For the right user, perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      13" Macbook Pro, 8GB/256Gb/3.02lbs/USB-C - $1,979 CA.

      My new 14" Lenovo Ideapad 720s that I bought instead, 8GB/256GB/3.42lbs/Discrete Graphics (!)/8th-Gen Intel/Lots of Ports - $1,039 CA.

    5. Re:For the right user, perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you get malware on a Windows 10 machine if you only run 'Open Save Print'??

      He just turned it on, windows 10 comes with the malware baked in

    6. Re:For the right user, perfect by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Huh OK, I stand corrected.

      Interestingly, on the upper end, the difference is less dramatic. Presumably that's because such a big margin would make the laptops simply too expensive and seriously hurt sales.

      Though the ideapad is a bit heavier. I have a bad back and value light weight very highly. The bottom end Carbon X1 at 2.5lb and 180G flash is CAD 2200.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  8. This is a fluff piece by TurboStar · · Score: 0

    So an article talking about something that happened ten years ago? Where's the news?

    1. Re:This is a fluff piece by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The news is that ten years later, the MacBook Air still exists and is only slightly different than the first model. It went from a Core 2 Duo to a dual-core i5/i7, the RAM from 2GB, to 4GB and finally to 8GB. The USB 2 port was upgraded to two USB3 ports, the TN display increased in resolution but is still a TN display which is a shame in 2018 for the price Apple are asking.

      Apple should upgrade the CPU to the latest generation, swap the display for a regular TFT with a 1080p resolution and drop the price in half.

      --
      #DeleteFacebook
    2. Re:This is a fluff piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were major differences between the first gen MacBook Air (early 2008) and the second gen (late 2010). And the second gen saw significant improvements through the first few iterations - USB 3, 8GB RAM option, better bluetooth, backlit keyboard iirc.

      It's unfortunate that Apple has chosen to essentially abandon the design, because neither the 12" MB or the 13" MBP fills quite the same niche.
      Upgrading to the latest CPU would be great. They'd never do 1080p - retina is the obvious choice there. Cut the price in half? Good one.

    3. Re:This is a fluff piece by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Retina requires a GPU that's four times faster which in turn requires four times as much more power. They'd be wise to stick to a lower resolution display for the battery life alone. Going from 1440×900 TN to 1680×1050 IPS would increase the battery requirement by a bit, but not as much as retina.

      --
      #DeleteFacebook
    4. Re:This is a fluff piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 2018 retina-capable GPU doesn't require 4x the power of 2011 GPU, which is what the machine was originally designed for. Even the current MacBook Air can drive an external 4K display.

      The only way 1680x1050 makes sense is if they changed the physical screen size. On the current 13" MBA, the UI would be too small at 1x, and too large at 2x. Apple isn't going to ship a machine in which the optimal resolution requires a non-integer scaling factor. If they decided to increase the resolution in the MBA, they'd do exactly what they did with the MacBook Pro - 2560x1600.

    5. Re:This is a fluff piece by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is correct to say that the GPU needs to be four times as powerful for a display with four times as many pixels. For 3d gaming, yes. But for text rendering, I don't think that a higher resolution web page takes four times the processor power to lay out. The same number of character glyphs need to be painted on the screen; they are bigger, but still nothing that challenges even the weakest GPU. The difficult part is rendering the glyphs at the higher resolution, and that is CPU-bound. Sure, a more powerful GPU would help, but it doesn't need to be four times as powerful. As anecdotal evidence I note that for a couple of years I ran two 5k monitors from a single NVS 510 desktop video card. This is a pretty weak GPU, much less powerful than a Geforce or Quadro. Performance was fine, since I didn't do gaming but only text. (I've since upgraded to Quadro K1200 cards, faster but still hardly monsters.)

      --
      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  9. "expensive laptop even by today's standards" by poity · · Score: 0

    Uh.. this part implies that current laptops are more expensive. What did he mean by this?

    --
    your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
    1. Re:"expensive laptop even by today's standards" by GearheadShemTov · · Score: 1

      I believe TurboStar was just referring to inflation, where $1795US in 2007 would be something like $2100US in 2018 dollars.

  10. I loved my MacBook Air by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    I bought the refreshed version with the original curvy form factor (and the port access flap). It was the first laptop I ever had with a solid-state drive... and taught me never to buy a laptop without one, ever again.

    But much as I loved that one, I prefer this 2015 13" MacBook Pro - it's probably the best laptop Apple's ever made (and, unfortunately, will ever make). It's only 1/2 pound heavier than my Air was, and it's got lots of ports, a better screen, and a much better processor.

    --
    #DeleteChrome
  11. The ThinkPad X40 was lighter and generally smaller by MSG · · Score: 1

    MacBook Air (2008):
    1280 x 800 display, 802.11 a/b/g (draft N), 12.8" x 8.94" x 0.76", 3.0 lbs

    ThinkPad X40 (2004):
    1024 x 768 display, 802.11 a/b/g, 10.5" x 8.3" x 1.0", 2.7 lbs

    Considering they had four years, it's a pretty modest improvement over IBM's lightweight notebook.

  12. I remember that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when the announcement came out. Myself and some IT friends basically used the Air as a punchline that week. It was missing so many standard laptop features and so underpowered, it seemed like such a bad idea.

  13. pricie but worth it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    for the following reasons:

    i worked hp notebook and compaq notebook support for 18 months, the horror stories i'm privi to are phenominal! can you say moses called?

    my first daughter went off to the university of alberta - billingual nursing, we gave her a mb air ... had absolutely ZERO problem. she's an alum now and it still works fine!

    my second daughter went off to the thompson rivers university - nursing, we gave her a mb air ... had one problem. she's four months from being an alum now. the one problem, she let some russian guy install some software for her, he added a few extras and we reformatted after adding a bios pasword. it still works fine.

    my third daughter went off to prince george university - tree hugger (doesn't like blood), we gave her a mb air, with four month to the end of her first year, it's a stalwart machine. no problems.

    we gave each an assortment of patch cords, an external dvd drive, hard shell, carry case and made sure each unit was fully loaded ram / ssd / etc - about 2300 per kid and well worth the coin!

    my forth child is looking at university of british columbia - engineering. he's a gamer, but he's getting a mb air. if he wants a gaming notebook, he can work part time and buy his own!

    your mileage may vary, but on the whole, well worth the coin!

    1. Re:pricie but worth it ... by supremebob · · Score: 2

      If I as kid #4, I'd sell the Macbook Air and get a AMD Ryzen based gaming PC with the proceeds. You can build a gaming PC with a pretty kick ass video card in it for around $1,000.

      Hell, he'd probably have enough left over for a cheap Dell or HP Windows 10 laptop along with some cash for games.

    2. Re:pricie but worth it ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You're not giving your forth child a forth machine/a??

    3. Re:pricie but worth it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I as kid #4, I'd sell the Macbook Air and get a AMD Ryzen based gaming PC with the proceeds. You can build a gaming PC with a pretty kick ass video card in it for around $1,000.

      Hell, he'd probably have enough left over for a cheap Dell or HP Windows 10 laptop along with some cash for games.

      won't you be special (obilatory dilbert) showing up to class lugging you gaming PC!

      totally funny cuz he already has a gaming PC! funnier still, i still have all the office suite and photoshop etc for the mac...
      come to think about it, for windblows as well!

      so yeah, he'll need to spend money on software and i can lock the ownership of a macbook air!

      as for a kick ass gaming machine for a grand, NOT! nominally decent vid card $750, processor $250 ish, ram - gaming qual. $250 ish for a full load of dimms, power supply to run the vid card and peripherals $100 minimum, the motherboard and case (mostly cosmetic), extra fans, hdd, etc. guesstimate - $1500

      not my first rodeo ...

    4. Re:pricie but worth it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs will not rise from the dead just to let you suck his cock. You can stop trying.

    5. Re:pricie but worth it ... by ruir · · Score: 1

      MacBook Air are little underpowered toys. I prefer a lot much more my 15'' macbook pro.

    6. Re: pricie but worth it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $750 for a decent graphics card? What? I have a 4 year old GTX 780 (paid $150 used), that runs almost all AAA games on ultra. I paid $100 for my x79 sabertooth motherboard. Ram is pretty expensive these days but you can buy used.

      I never build NEW. When I upgrade my gaming machine, I always use used parts that are 2-3 years old. But when those parts were new they were top of the line.

      I have a E8500 core2duo machine I still use with 8GB ram that runs windows 7 like a champ.

  14. Re:The ThinkPad X40 was lighter and generally smal by localman · · Score: 1

    I think the Pentium M, spinning HD, and shorter battery life kept it from being as much of a love affair as the MacBook Air (at least the rev I got). You're right that there wasn't any huge technology advancement, but sometimes you have to hit a certain sweet spot. I just remember this thing felt faster than any laptop I'd used before (primarily from the SSD subsystem), and the battery lasted so long I literally never had to think about it any more. I fell in love. It still feels like fast modern laptop all this time later.

  15. quit repeating the same fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there where several notebooks thinner than a MacBook Air long before it came out. Sony Vaio had a few in 2004

    1. Re:quit repeating the same fake news by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      there where several notebooks thinner than a MacBook Air long before it came out. Sony Vaio had a few in 2004

      There probably were, but I don't see them on the market anymore. Sony Vaio become history in 2014. The MacBook Air still fills a certain niche, though the specs could do with a little tweaking.

      --
      Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    2. Re:quit repeating the same fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still apple was not the first, so why propagate the lie.

    3. Re:quit repeating the same fake news by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      there where several notebooks thinner than a MacBook Air long before it came out. Sony Vaio had a few in 2004

      Ohh? They made another one but the X505 in 2004? Because that was .38-.83 inches thick while the the MacBook Air from 2008 was 0.16 in to 0.76 in thick.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  16. Or maybe they sold more than you think by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't think that Apple has sold nearly as many iPad Pro's as they wanted to,

    Signs point the opposite way, since they may a slightly smaller model of Pro and also been pretty good about updating the larger Pro with some decent speed and display increases.

    I have really liked mine; my next trip I plan to travel with just an iPad Pro for working with photos, no laptop. Much lighter.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  17. Dangerous machine by MouseR · · Score: 1, Funny

    My son just bought one and that thing is a tiny dangerous wedge.

    Stick a bat to it's spine and you could chop down a tree.

    It's also faster than my office MacBook Pro 2014. Jelly.

  18. FIFY by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The entire *remaining* smart watch market is a flop.

    Fixed it for you.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  19. OSX hardware has seen good updates by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    They really don't give a damn about anything that runs OS X these days and it's a shame.

    What makes you say that? They've redone the MacBook Pro line with USB-C, the Touch Bar, super fast SSD storage, and still continue with excellent displays. On the desktop they just released the iMac Pro which is really powerful and actually has a decent cooling design, and we know they are working on an totally revised Mac Pro desktop.

    You may not like some of the changes they made, but I don't see where anyone could reasonably say Apple does not "give a damn" about OSX hardware.

    The only thing that really languishes is the Mac mini - and to some extent the Air (although what they have now is decent).

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:OSX hardware has seen good updates by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The biggest complain is that the MBP hasn't seen a bump beyond 16GB of RAM. I have a 4-year-old MBP that has 16GB of RAM and, for my use, RAM is the single largest bottleneck. I'm sitting on equipment budget to replace it with one with 32GB (or even more, if available) as soon as it's available.

      Part of the blame for this is Intel, who doesn't provide any chips that have memory controllers supporting LPDDR4 out (in spite of the fact the LPDDR4 spec is from 2014 and most phones have used it for the past few years), and support either 16GB of LPDDR3 or 32GB of DDR4. That's slightly misleading when you realise that they do support DDR4L, which isn't quite as low power as LPDDR4, but is a lot lower power than DDR4, and other manufacturers have made machines with 32GB of DDR4L and reasonable battery life.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    2. Re: OSX hardware has seen good updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of imbecile puts a stupid piece of shit Emoji bar in the same category of "innovation" with SSD??

    3. Re:OSX hardware has seen good updates by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      That's slightly misleading when you realise that they do support DDR4L, which isn't quite as low power as LPDDR4, but is a lot lower power than DDR4, and other manufacturers have made machines with 32GB of DDR4L and reasonable battery life.

      I agree with you about the lack of a 32GB model being frustrating (I am pretty much in the same boat there, not going to update my older laptop until I can get 32GB), but I can see where Apple is not willing to compromise battery life as much to offer one higher end config, they are waiting on a real solution.

      You say other systems offer "reasonable battery life" with DDR4L, but only by making the machine larger or leaning on very questionable battery stats that do not hold up in practice nearly as well... MacBook Pro users do tend to rely heavily on battery life, not as important as some gaming laptops that expect to be plugged in mostly.

      I am thinking that one way or another we'll see a 32GB laptop this year... either they will finally submit and use DDR4L, or a real solution will arrive.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    4. Re:OSX hardware has seen good updates by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      To put it in perspective: DDR4L uses about 10% more power than LPDDR4. Even if DRAM were the primary consumer of DRAM, this would translate to only a 10% drop in battery life. In comparison, DDR4 uses around five to ten times as much, and so would drop the battery life considerably. Only a few other vendors are using DDR4L, but the ones that are seem to get the kind of battery life that would make me happy. In addition, Apple added a bunch of support for hot-swap RAM to XNU back in the XCode days and so could probably support using 16GB on battery and 32GB on mains power. A lot of the RAM contents is read-only disk caching, so you don't even end up flushing much out to disk / swap / compressed memory when you de-power half the RAM in a typical machine.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  20. How many of them still boot and run on battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Macbook Air made thin and light trendy but it also marked the beginning of the end of serviceability. Glued in batteries, soldered down RAM and flash storage are all complicit in the prime example of planned obsolescence.

    1. Re:How many of them still boot and run on battery? by another_twilight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Glued in batteries, soldered down RAM and flash storage are all complicit in the prime example of planned obsolescence.

      Or a recognition that the need to constantly upgrade CPU/RAM/storage has slowed to the point where a decently specced laptop can remain useful for years without needing anything upgraded.

      Most people do not open their laptops to upgrade anything. Of those that do, most will only do so to add RAM and even then will not do it themselves. Those who want or need a machine that they can maintain themselves are a small niche that's growing smaller, even if we've been around longer than what is now the majority - people who want a laptop as an appliance.

      The Air is not aimed at you. Or me. Or a bunch of folk on this site. But there's a large chunk of people for whom it's ideal and very well designed for _their_ needs. Serviceability is not a priority to that market segment and that has nothing to do with planned obsolescence.

    2. Re:How many of them still boot and run on battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would assume none. According to apple all batteries die after a year of use or become unable to run their device unless you throttle the CPU. Thats apple latest stand on batteries physics.

    3. Re:How many of them still boot and run on battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would assume none. According to apple all batteries die after a year of use or become unable to run their device unless you throttle the CPU. Thats apple latest stand on batteries physics.

      Actually, that's only for devices using CPUs fabbed by Samsung. IOW none of the Macs.

  21. Pity it's all they sell these days by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Back then, there were clear differences between their 3 laptop lines. These days, MacBook and MacBook Pro use almost the same body design and have almost the same limitations (no ports, no user-replaceable RAM and disk) as the Air.
    When it's time to replace my 2012 MBP, I may have to get me a Hackintosh.

  22. Stil the best laptop/notebook I've had by Luminary+Crush · · Score: 2

    I had many notebooks and always preferred portability over horsepower. I mostly ran Linux on them - IBM, Asus, HP, Dell - and it took me a bit to move to MacOS. The under-the-hood BSD was good enough to ease my apprehension leaving Linux to make the change, but the hardware was the closer. Now I still prefer Linux (my desktop is Fedora, don't judge) but you'd only pry my Air out of my hands with a newer, better Air. Give me 16G RAM and a better screen resolution and I am never leaving.

  23. Toshiba made better, thinner laptops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the time the mac air came out, few people noticed that the case would taper to a thin edge, creating the *impression* that it was thin, when it was actually much thicker.

    Toshiba had a laptop that was thinner (in terms of actual thickness, not fake apparent thickness along the edges), and the Toshiba had a real ethernet port, and the Toshiba had an integral dvd player shoehorned in.

    The Toshiba was much more impressive from an engineering standpoint, but of course no one cared.

    It was the Portege R500:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    And Toshiba kept coming out with thinner laptops than the mac air:

    http://www.mactrast.com/2011/0...

    http://www.dailytech.com/Toshi...

  24. Toshiba R-100 was thinner by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    The Toshiba R-100 was thinner and more powerful.

  25. Apple is not magical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were lucky with timing and PR of the first iPhone ..but all they really made and still make ...is overpriced shit that some people thinks is pleasing to look at

    Id rather buy REAL gear... If that gear also happends to be beautiful then its just a bonus

    Apple fans are delusional
     

  26. Re: How many of them still boot and run on battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because hardware improvements are small doesnâ(TM)t mean users should not have the chance to replace it. It is very difficult to foresee ones future and Iâ(TM)d rather buy extra ram/ssd/wifi/gpu than a new laptop, if possible.

    I had that problem with a macbook air (running arch) for scientific computing and replaced by a future-proof alienware 13r3

  27. The laptop even a vegan can carry by sabbede · · Score: 1

    That was the caption on a funny pic from back then. It cracked me up.

  28. Re: How many of them still boot and run on battery by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

    Why? I have money. I work for a living in the IT sector and not even I care to do this kind of crap anymore. It's not *worth* my time. It's limited and valuable and I'm hardly gaming these days. I can pay Apple money, get a well supported *NIX system, get access to certain applications (like MS Office) that don't run well on Linux, and if something breaks I can take it in to a store and get it fixed. I have the Applecare plan too so if some liquid gets spilled - no biggie. A few bucks and it's fixed. Peace of mind. I no longer care to go out and research whole desktop builds or go scouring the web for that ONE compatible motherboard that works with the rest of my laptop components. That's probably what 80-85% of the population does.

    And anything extra would be done with hobby machines and definitely not my main one. Ones whom I can afford to leave in a dust pile until I have the inclination to pick back up the work.

  29. A lot of air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hot air.

  30. "Thin and light" marches on. by Shag · · Score: 1

    1.36kg seemed pretty light back then, and the 2010 version came in a hair lighter at 1.35kg. Of course, the 13-inch MacBook Pro was a whopping 2.04kg. But then the 13-inch MacBook Pro (Retina) came out at only 1.48kg, and now the second generation (sans Menu Bar) is down to 1.37kg - only 10 grams more than the original MacBook Air.

    --
    Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
  31. my personal fave computer by Camembert · · Score: 1

    My current Air 11" is the nicest computer I ever bought. It is my home computer, good enough for hobby photo and video editing, and so deliciously portable. Only dongle I have is one for SD cards. I use wifi at home and 2 usb ports are sufficient.
    Because it is so portable I didn't mind bringing it along on my business trips next to my work computer - though my iPad Pro 10.5" has now taken that role. I splashed out a bit when I bought it in january 2014 - an i7 processor with 8gb ram and 512gb add was top of the line then, and it still works smoothly with the current OS.
    I need to replace the battery though, it holds like half the original time now. So that will happen in the next month or so, and I should be ok for another few years.
    What if it breaks? I would probably buy the Macbook 12", not the Pro.

  32. frustrated by Air by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    I hate the Air. It's a great machine for its purposes, sure, but it stole the "low end" position from the MacBook a few years later. While it definitely has "low end" components, miniaturized to achieve its size goals, that miniaturization does not lead to a low-end price. Apple does not make it easy to get into Mac hardware on a budget. The Mini suffers the same problem. Shrinking components to hit a size goal leave me with an underpowered machine at the price point I'm looking at. Smallness is not a feature I'm particularly interested in. It's like paying a double Apple premium. It's frustrating to be a "bang for the buck" shopper and every option available is dressed up with glitz I don't want.

  33. Old in the tooth now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather outdated now at least for the price Apple wants. Screen is a nice TN screen but still a TN screen and not a IPS or a retina screen. I owned three Macbook Air's over the years, but wouldn't even consider one today.

  34. Re:The ThinkPad X40 was lighter and generally smal by MSG · · Score: 1

    Sure. I'm not saying it wasn't *any* better. Just that it wasn't the revolution that some people make it out to be. This article calls it a "remarkable feat of engineering," which I think is a stretch. Reading it, you'd think there had never been a laptop of that size.

    As far as battery life goes: the X40 had two available, and you could swap it out whenever you wanted. You could choose to take on a little extra weight for more battery life. Or you could carry several batteries. Go nuts. Whatever you want. You had choices that you really didn't get from Apple.

  35. Re:Meself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who says that is an insufferable idiot hipster millenial

    Or they could be Irish. (Yes, Irish people really do say that sometimes ... but not all the time.)

    We're allowed do whatever the f**k we want with the English language. Call it payback :-)

  36. Re: How many of them still boot and run on batter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can get that with any computer... the point is?

  37. Re: How many of them still boot and run on batter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is that you get something stabler than Unix that just works. Despite what people might tell you, it Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD still have got a long way to go and Windows is a shit to maintain. It used to be better and more stable TBH, but still is better than any MS infected shit.

  38. Re: How many of them still boot and run on batter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    weâ(TM)re not talking about linux here, that i put in the alienware with no hassle. With a macbook air (like most ultraboojs) you cannot change much hardware, so if it becomes not fit for the job you need another laptop. With other computers like the above alienware you can change almost everything other than cpu. Including the graphic card (not to play games but for CUDA-powereddara crunching).

  39. Still using my 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mid 2012 Air 11 inch, 8GB/250GB. Bought it very lightly used at a year old for $450, still with 2 years of AppleCare. Best damn computer. Dual boots Win10 and runs SolidWorks beautifully. As I like to say, âoesmalls on size, bigs on performance.â