Female Uber Drivers Get Paid Less Than Men, Says Study (recode.net)

According to a new study by Uber and Stanford economists, male Uber drivers get paid 7 percent more than their female counterparts in the U.S. "That's surprising, because Uber's driver assignments and pay are gender-blind, meaning a driver's gender isn't considered when matching riders or assigning fares," reports Recode. "Rather, pay has to do with trip length, distance and whether it's happening during surge-price hours or not." From the report: There are more male drivers -- women make up 27 percent of Uber drivers in the U.S. -- and male drivers tend to work longer hours. However, on an hourly rate, women still make less, according to the data, which measured trips by 1.8 million drivers from 2015 to 2017. According to the study, discrimination on the customer side isn't the reason for the pay gap, either. So why are female Uber drivers paid less than men? The study points to three reasons that make the gap disappear:

When and where: The times and places female Uber drivers work seem to be less profitable. That could be fewer overnight shifts, shifts with shorter wait times or surge-price shifts than men.
Driver experience: Drivers who've been with Uber longer get paid more, on account of knowing which routes and times tend to pay more. In general, men work for Uber longer than women so they are more experienced. The attrition rate after six months is 77 percent for women and 65 percent for men.
Speed: Male Uber drivers conduct more trips per hour than women, meaning they're actually driving faster, according to the data. More trips mean more money. About 50 percent of the earnings gap is explained away by differences in driving speed.

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[poptix]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

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[cogeek]

^^ This....

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[Anonymous Coward]

Equal pay for eeual work. Sums it up nicely.

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[aussiekrom]

Beyond being able to state that fact, it also allows anyone who wants to earn more see specifically what factors they might be able to change to do so.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

In other news, the leading cause of poverty (that is, people who *become* poor) is getting knocked up at a young age and having a bunch of children you cannot afford instead of completing your education and establishing a career.

Yet if you dare suggest things like delayed gratification, birth control, the fact that we all know where babies come from ... well it's amazing how people will villify you for that. Even people who did it that way themselves!

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[Anonymous Coward]

Turns out, women aren't fucking stupid enough to drive for Uber.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Is it, though? Seems to me the data proves what we all already knew. Personal choice is still the number one factor for determining success in the United States.

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[Anonymous Coward]

In your troll universe, parents who already have careers never get laid off and lose their income.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Women do get equal pay for equal work, if only they would do the equal amount of work. Some do, most do not simply because they cannot. In the office world this is harder to justify, but in the physically demanding jobs world, it's easy to see men do more of the work, most of the time. Women drivers in this instance are just less likely to pursue all of the opportunities they have mostly out of feelings of personal safety.

Women cherry pickers make less than male cherry pickers. They get paid by the pound, men can pick more. It's pretty simple.

When I was in a male dominated world (manufacturing industrial products), most workers were at work all day, every day, even in the office. Now that I'm in a women dominated industry (all office work), the coming and going as you please is many times more prevalent. I've not had the chance to work in a male dominated office environment so I can't really compare that side of things to see if it's the environment or not.

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[Anonymous Coward]

They're also not stupid enough to climb 1500ft radio towers, drive garbage trucks, weld, mine, work in construction, or many other low-skill/high risk jobs that pay well.

Hmmmmmmm...

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[david_thornley]

Last I checked, all the people born that I know about had two parents, one male and one female. This suggests that it isn't just the woman who's making that choice.

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[cayenne8]

Funny, when I read that I infer self preservation, by avoiding the type of life threatening or permanently traumatizing situations that are more likely to happen at night (e.g., drunk male passengers). That's a dramatically different situation from actual personal choice.

It's the old Risk vs Rewards decision tree we've seen before for age in almost any endeavor to make money.

It certainly is all about choice here, much as it is in some form or fashion any time you want to make more money.

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[david_thornley]

The next step is to investigate those personal choices. Why are women not taking the more profitable shifts? Why are they dropping out as drivers more than men? Why are we rewarding people for speeding? This just kicks the can a way down the road, rather than explaining everything.

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[Anonymous Coward]

male

Ah ha! There it is. Thank you so much; the blame has been properly assigned. Good work, comrade.

Now on to solutions. Ultimately, we'll need to rid ourselves of these males, but that's going to take another generation or two. In the mean time we should supply female Uber drivers with an armed officer, and tax men to fund it.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

"The times and places female Uber drivers work [...] fewer overnight shifts"

Funny, when I read that I infer self preservation, by avoiding the type of life threatening or permanently traumatizing situations that are more likely to happen at night (e.g., drunk male passengers). That's a dramatically different situation from actual personal choice.

The choice of place and time to pick up passengers is certainly a personal choice. If it were not, men and women would be equally represented at all times and locations.

It is certainly true that different people take greater risks working in some locations at some times. As a short, scrawny, unarmed man, I would be at greater risk for getting mugged by a passenger than (for example) a childhood friend's wife, who happens to have ten years experience as a cop in a rough county. Thank goodness I have the freedom to choose not to drive at those places and times. If my friend's wife wants to work in those conditions, she deserves to make the extra money.

Perhaps you meant that it is unfair that (on average) men face a lower risk of assault than women due to (on average) greater physical strength, a greater willingness to fight back, and (on average) lower sexual attractiveness to potential rapists. Even if I grant you that this is unfair, there is nothing we as humans can do about this sort of "unfairness".

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[Anonymous Coward]

In your troll universe, parents who already have careers never get laid off and lose their income.

For one who so quickly calls "troll!" you sure do seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension. Assuming your "misunderstanding" was not intentional, of course.

You see, getting laid off, otherwise losing a job/career, becoming disabled, etc. are also counted when causes of poverty are studied. Believe it or not, they're not in the same category as "oops, I'm still in my teens and got knocked up!" Yes, a minority of the time people become poor through no fault of their own, but that's not what "leading cause" means. This is easy to understand, except of course that failing to understand it gives you something to rail against. That's what matters, right?

Sorry, this is not the easy slam-dunk victory you seem to have wanted. You are not the clever guy who noticed what others have overlooked all along. Shockingly, not everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Care to argue with facts and reason? If you were raised by a single mother or something like that, you should admit you have a personal bias here. That would demonstrate integrity, emotional maturity, and the ability to be objective.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yet if you dare suggest

It is perfectly acceptable to suggest such things. Encouraged even. You just have to make sure you're very clear about what demographic you're talking about. If you have poor whites in mind then you're perfectly free to be as critical as you wish. Your fellow group thinkers will applaud your candor. Everyone else is off limits, however; suggest that the black denizens of North East ghetto hoods or the Hispanics of West Coast ghetto barrios are in any way responsible for their condition and you're be committing the worst imaginable crime, and if we find out who you are you'll be exiled from polite company.

Original AC here. What you say is the truth. I wish it weren't, but it empirically is.

Here's what I wonder: do such people REALLY believe they're doing any favor, at all, to the Blacks or the Hispanics by humoring them like children? The effect it has: it discourages them from taking what steps they actually can take to better their own situation, reinforcing the notion of hopeless victimhood. Someone who can legitimately take (at least some) responsibility can also take on the power to change things for the better. Pure victims, being helpless and powerless by nature, cannot hope to do that.

Makes you wonder, who are the REAL racists here?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Last I checked, all the people born that I know about had two parents, one male and one female. This suggests that it isn't just the woman who's making that choice.

Female selection is seen all throught nature, including in humans. The female generally has more power in a relationship. She generally decides when they have sex, and a host of other important decisions. Did you ever meet a woman who was deathly afraid that her man might "put her in the doghouse"? Didn't think so. If the woman wants to abort the baby, the man legally has no say at all in the matter. If she wants to have it, same deal. Men have exactly one effective form of non-permanent birth control while women have about a dozen. This is not a level playing field. How can you pretend that it is?!

With greater power comes greater responsibility. Of course the male bears some responsibility. The law recognizes that in the only way that it can, by making him pay child support. But the female has more power in this situation. It is therefore resonable to expect her to bear a bit more responsibility. If the roles were reversed you'd have no problem accepting this, likely because the "woman as victim" narrative is still quite prevalent (makes you feel "noble" like a White Knight) no matter how strong the evidence against it is.

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[tonywong]

So you've turned a 7% differential in one company to justify ignoring a 21% differential overall in the United States? Good on yah.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Feminists aren't going to be happy until female social workers make the same as male engineers (they'll still want the female engineers to make more than either).

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[bigman2003]

Except for the fact that men are at greater risk of being victims of violent crime. (According to the US Department of Justice)

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[Anonymous Coward]

yet mention providing birth control inexpensively or free for those with little income and you're some anti-lolbertarian monster who's a threat to society

people want to shame sex, simple as that, largely because these same lolbertarians aren't getting any and don't want others having it either

I do in fact agree with you. However, the situation is a bit more complicated than that.

Planned Parenthood does exactly that. But if you know anything about its foundation or its history, specifically about Margaret Sanger, well, she rather openly stated that she wanted to reduce the black population because she subscribed to eugenics. To this day, black women have abortions much more often than any other race.

While I believe abortion to be a terrible substitute for proper birth (contraception) control, it remains a source of political ammo for the "lolbertarians" you conjured up.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

You are obviously mistaken. What's happening here is that the statistics are obviously sexist, and probably misogynistic as well. I'm sure if I could be bothered to RTFA it would also become apparent that the statistics are not only racist but homophobic too. I even heard from a friend, who's sisters ex-boyfriend's third cousin's step daughter said that these very same statistics are part of a neo-Nazi group and abuses puppies on Thursdays.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I submit that "whiteness" is cultural, and that anyone can become "white". Here are a few simple rules to do this: a) When in Rome, do as the Romans do. b) While in Rome, do not find fault with the Romans. c) Remember that anyone, by following the above rules, can become a Roman. Indeed, if you can understand how Romans act, and act that way yourself, you are perceived by the Romans as one of them -- or, at the very least, an ally. You will find that Romans reward those who are their allies, and prefer to do business with other Romans. And, since most people with money in Rome are Romans, it does one best to cultivate their company.

If you constantly find fault with the Romans, you are not one of them, and they will close ranks in both subtle and overt ways against you. You will find that Romans do not want to do business with you, and anything you want to do which needs Roman help becomes harder.

Indeed, what has happened to the Africans -- the most notable of the not-Romans? They have been bought off by rich Romans -- been thrown a few slices of bread and been given a few circuses -- so that they can feel like they have accomplished something, while their schools are deliberately given undereducated teachers who look like them to prevent upward mobility, and their children are convinced that single parenthood is liberating -- exactly the opposite of what is needed in Roman society to excel.

A few escape that trap and become Romans -- only to be told by their peers that being Roman is something ugly which severs them forever from non-Roman Africans. Indeed, those who fight to become Romans are beset both by those rich Romans who do not want them, and by their own people, who do not realize that it might do them far better if they were to achieve true Roman citizenship. And yet, many manage; if their children can ignore the besmirchment of their parent by non-Romans, they are easily set up to be Romans too.

To understand this, just watch TV.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Is that why hourly workers always beg for more hours, instead of demanding more pay?

Keep keeping the wage slaves down, asshole.

If the workers are demanding a thing not really in their interests, then how is the GP "keeping them down"? Sounds like the workers are doing that to themselves. How does this make him/her an asshole?

Perhaps *you* are the asshole because you place more value on assigning blame than you do on constructive problem-solving? This looks like an issue of education, not finger-pointing.

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[Anonymous Coward]

That's a 21% differential that doesn't take into account any factors outside sex and wages, so yeah, I'll ignore that happily.

You're saying that I should be able to take 10 years off work and open up a shop on Etsy and make the same as the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Yeah, pretty happy to ignore that logic.

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[grasshoppa]

Actually, by law, it is ( at least in the united states ). Men have procreation rights, women are free to get abortions.

Of course, if you meant that they have a choice whether to have sex or not, sure; that much is true. However, women then have a superset of rights compared to men whether to have a child or not.

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[grasshoppa]

Actually, by law, it is ( at least in the united states ). Men have *NO* procreation rights, women are free to get abortions.

Of course, if you meant that they have a choice whether to have sex or not, sure; that much is true. However, women then have a superset of rights compared to men whether to have a child or not.

See correction.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Even if I grant you that this is unfair, there is nothing we as humans can do about this sort of "unfairness".

"Challenge accepted. Maybe we can begin with some kind of tax. Or perhaps a reverse-discrimination {more discrimination} law."

-- libtards everywhere

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[Anonymous Coward]

Did you ever meet a woman who was deathly afraid that her man might "put her in the doghouse"?

Never met a man who was deathly afraid that "his woman" might "put him in the doghouse", either. Might've met a boy that fit that description. Certainly nobody I'd consider to be an adult. Certainly met plenty of women that were abused in relationships, though.

Men have exactly one effective form of non-permanent birth control

Clearly impossible to refute that, because you can adjust your definition of the word "effective" to mean whatever you want it to. But perhaps you should go take sex ed again anyway, because you know there are quite a few methods these days.

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[Wycliffe]

In your troll universe, parents who already have careers never get laid off and lose their income.

Parents who already have degrees and careers tend to be able to recover quicker. The #1 reason for extreme poverty is out of wedlock children and having children young. That being said, there is likely some selection bias there. Many people who plan on going to college intentionally hold off on having children where people who have no plans to go to college have less incentive to wait to have children. Sure there are other reasons for poverty like health problems, etc... but that doesn't negate the fact that the #1 preventable way of staying out of poverty is delaying children until you are stable.

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[yuriklastalov]

It's not just the statistics which are bigoted. It turns out that all math and science are White Supremacist, so pretty much everything just needs to be destroyed so we can have our perfectly Diverse Utopia.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I submit that "whiteness" is cultural, and that anyone can become "white". Here are a few simple rules to do this:
a) When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
b) While in Rome, do not find fault with the Romans.
c) Remember that anyone, by following the above rules, can become a Roman.
Indeed, if you can understand how Romans act, and act that way yourself, you are perceived by the Romans as one of them -- or, at the very least, an ally. You will find that Romans reward those who are their allies, and prefer to do business with other Romans. And, since most people with money in Rome are Romans, it does one best to cultivate their company.
 

If you constantly find fault with the Romans, you are not one of them, and they will close ranks in both subtle and overt ways against you. You will find that Romans do not want to do business with you, and anything you want to do which needs Roman help becomes harder.

Indeed, what has happened to the Africans -- the most notable of the not-Romans? They have been bought off by rich Romans -- been thrown a few slices of bread and been given a few circuses -- so that they can feel like they have accomplished something, while their schools are deliberately given undereducated teachers who look like them to prevent upward mobility, and their children are convinced that single parenthood is liberating -- exactly the opposite of what is needed in Roman society to excel.
 

A few escape that trap and become Romans -- only to be told by their peers that being Roman is something ugly which severs them forever from non-Roman Africans. Indeed, those who fight to become Romans are beset both by those rich Romans who do not want them, and by their own people, who do not realize that it might do them far better if they were to achieve true Roman citizenship. And yet, many manage; if their children can ignore the besmirchment of their parent by non-Romans, they are easily set up to be Romans too.

To understand this, just watch TV.

So once again, like many (perhaps all?) other things, being an individual and striving to make rational choices is VERY MUCH BETTER than allowing anyone's group-think to dictate your important life choices. The identity of the group which engages in group-think does not change this. Does this surprise anyone? How may examples must one have before the principle is grasped and similar iterations of it are recognized early on? Seriously, this must be a form of learning disability for those who still don't get it. They get so caught up in "which group?" and "which think?" that they truly cannot see the forest for all of the trees.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Anecdotes are like assholes. I got a buddy whose wife pretty much runs his life. Says when he gets to eat, have sex, go out, he basically says yes mam no mam. She has him so warped, he thinks she is doing it because she loves him. Abuse.

Also, please list contraceptives for men, I'll wait.

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[Anonymous Coward]

and other jobs pay women more than men.
You can't fairly compare between jobs, only within identical jobs with identical performance.

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[tonywong]

Typical AC logic. So women are the only people who are allowed to be on Etsy and all CEOs of Fortune 500 companies should all be men?

The gap is real, and not just between your ears.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karstenstrauss/2018/01/22/the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-gender-pay-gap-expectations-and-how-the-u-s-stacks-up/#6c2d600a345c

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[tonywong]

There could be other conflating factors as well, given that women have been traditionally underpaid as well.

1. Women could be expected to drop their shifts sooner than men to do other chores and family tasks. Men already make more than women for the same labour, so by the same token, women should be expected to do non-paying tasks more than men. This is a self-selecting and cultural bias.

2. Women could already have fewer and less resources than men, so with less income and capital to start with, they may drop out sooner than men overall. By this I mean a woman's car may not be in a similar condition to a man's car, because she could not afford any better to begin with. Or the cost of fuel is more of a drag on her daily income than a man's, on average. They could control for this by seeing if income and age of the vehicle, and income of the driver are affecting the driver's Uber income, regardless of sex.

3. Of course the big one that everyone is not wanting to refer to is biology. Women deliver the babies and men do not. Women are expected to be the primary care givers so they are *expected* to be the ones who get the kids etc. How are the women Uber drivers expected to pick up riders getting their children when the driver has to retrieve their own child at the same time? I would guess that countries with strong government mandates in health care and child care have a much narrower gap in pay.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

Can't tell if sarcasm or not.

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[Anonymous Coward]

99% of the time, this is the case. Is is very rare that pay is based just on gender (with everything else equal)

Pay inequality is simply a Democrat talking point.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Is that why hourly workers always beg for more hours, instead of demanding more pay?

No, that is be cause they have been trained that a) the business doesn't make enough money to pay the person more, so if they want more money they need to do more work to bring in more money, or b) they are paid the correct wage for their role, and if they want more, they need to do more roles (usually involving more hours.)

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[Mashiki]

The only gap there is what women *earn* not pay. If women go out and decide to work at a mine as a digger, they're going to be paid $20/hr just the same as a man. The man on the otherhand will be more likely to take that extra 20hrs/week in OT, and she is not. If a woman goes out and becomes a truck driver, she's going to make that same $0.60-0.70/mile plus dock-in/downtime repairs. But she's also not going to take higher stress routes through the NE corridor which have bonus rate pay because city/traffic volume. Where as a man will, repeatedly because it pushes his per/mile payout over $1.08/hr. But according to you and the author of that article, she's being *paid* less in both cases.

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[Anonymous Coward]

"Male Uber drivers conduct more trips per hour than women, meaning they're actually driving faster, according to the data."

Actually the shows the men are less likely to blindly follow the GPS and find faster routes, and are smarter about stalking locations which tend to have a lot of people making short trips with little downtime between fares.

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[Anonymous Coward]

what part of 'LEADING cause' did you not get? It is not the only cause of poverty but it sure as hell swamps all the rest.

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[guruevi]

The rate at which either happens is different. Also, when an established educated person gets laid off, they'll have a hell of a lot better chances than an uneducated person in a poor job market.

As much as we like to see equality for all, it's still all about the economies of simple Darwinian survival and that won't change until you have a free energy market.

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[aphelion_rock]

They get paid the same, it is just that men prefer to work longer hours, take on riskier jobs and probably take less breaks/ spend less time chatting than women..

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[Anonymous Coward]

Except the data doesn't support anything you're saying. You people have got to stop making shit up. The study shows evidence that female Uber drivers make less than make Uber drivers because they're unavailable during peak hours/ Don't work as long. It doesn't attempt to go into what the average woman's motivation was for making themselves unavailable or working fewer hours. So no there's only one interpretation. Yours is irrelevant conjecture and requires further study. I suggest you stop the retarded nonsense. Get off your ass and put the work in to do your own study on the issue.

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[Anonymous Coward]

The article you reference is completely irrelevant to the issue being discussed, namely "factors outside sex and wages." It covers only *expectation* and says nothing of reality, let alone actual causal factors, or controlling for life choices, which are the issues you were responding to.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Lol. It's not real. It's been debunked to death. Move on.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Surge-price time also seem to correspond with pick/drop kids off at school time.

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[Anonymous Coward]

That's one thing I don't get about Republicans if contraception was free they would have an easier time arguing that all abortions should be illegal.

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[uvajed_ekil]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

...when it comes to Uber drivers. The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this and tout it as evidence that there is no such thing as an unjustified gender pay gap, without acknowledging that the factors causing it here are not relevant to other industries and types of employment.

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[Anonymous Coward]

With terms like "algebra", "algorithm", and "Arabic numerals", it makes me think that Muslim terrorists are trying to attack us with math!

dom

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[Anonymous Coward]

The next step is to not give a shit.

Equality of opportunity, not outcomes. Forcing the latter is communism of the worst sort.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Funny, it's men that are more likely to be the victims of crime late at night. It's almost like you're a moron that believes in mythology.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It's true for the "pay gap" in general. It's always been a scam. There's tons of evidence the SJW lie of the pay gap is 100% mythical.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Don't tell Google, they fired that guy for saying the same thing with citations to research...

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[Anonymous Coward]

A republican in Colorado tried making it very cheap and over the counter. He was made a vilain by the left because he was trying to something something control women. Gotta keep those ladies on the reservation

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[Anonymous Coward]

Asking why is not the same as forcing equality of outcome.

Not giving a shit is the worst kind of intellectual incuriosity.

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[Anonymous Coward]

This is an article that is literally about the gap being real.

I don't know where this idea comes from that a gap isn't real once it's explained.

There's no debunking it, this is just a simple stat without a lot of room for interpretation. You can debunk to what degree the stat is influenced by, say, maternity leave vs. paternity leave, but you can't debunk that there's a pay gap, because that is a point of absolutely proven fact.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Correct, the gap is between your ears. EVERYONE knows women who work the SAME as men are paid MORE.

We're sick of your lies, you running dog capitalist cuck. Better go back to your gated community where the masses aren't allowed in. We see right through your tired old lies.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, and importantly we can do without Slashdot's click bait like headline.

The headline should have read 'female uber drivers earn less than men'.

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[Anonymous Coward]

21% is a bogus statistic. Go read up on it:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

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[ckatko]

The personal choices are already known.

Women choose quality of life, over raw income. That's because only the male's income (as a number) is a signal of worth, whereas women don't have that requirement. Any man, will date any woman, no matter how crappy her job is. And women choose happiness over shitty hours. So men work more crap shifts to get more money... to demonstrate their value to society and potential mates.

And this isn't some new theory. It's been settled in the scientific community forever.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Like when women omit to use the example of women tennis players who only play a maximum of 3 sets per match in an Open while men play up to 5 sets per match to receive EXACTLY the same prize money ?
Men are OBVIOUSLY then paid much less per hour to play than women, but THAT's OK for some reason ?

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[Anonymous Coward]

I've worked in a male dominated office environment for some service companies and it was very much a push to get everything done, work hard, then go for beers afterwards. The guys loved it. The women hated it and either suffered and complained (to be honest, everyone complained-the guys just secretly liked to work hard), or they gravitated to simpler jobs like accounting, reception, etc. The women who stuck around were awesome though, so I'm not bashing here. Just my anecdote for you.

Bonus anecdote: I now work in an office environment with an effeminate male leadership full of younger millenials and lots of women. Work is more lax, come and go as you please, etc. Much better work/life balance, but it all seems so pointless.

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[Maxo-Texas]

The mileage is interesting.

Are the men driving faster than legally possible?
Or are the females driving slower than they legally should?

Do the men have more accidents and expose Uber to more liability?
Do the men have more accidents than average male drivers?

Are the women driving so slowly that they are having more accidents and exposing uber to more liability?
Do the women have more accidents than average female drivers?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Last I checked, all the people born that I know about had two parents, one male and one female. This suggests that it isn't just the woman who's making that choice.

Last I checked, the women had an option to not be a parent. When a woman gives birth that is an explicit and conscious choice to be a parent. After all, once she finds that a baby is on the way she can choose not to be a parent.

Men don't get that choice. Only women do.

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[mysidia]

Not quite.... these are all broad generalizations. SOME do, but on average fewer women seem to
  have the disposition resulting in them choosing or pursuing those particular jobs than men.

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[PaulRivers10]

I've been saying this forever. How many guys do you know move in with their girlfriend and live off her paying the rent? How many guys do you know have their girlfriend frequently pay for their meals? How many girls are mocked by guys because they still live at home? Not a lot. You know why? Because don't NEED to do the extra work to make more money like men do. Women earn less money because they can. Because they have a backup plan that involves a guy paying for their stuff. Feminism is about sacrificing women's happiness for more profits. That's why it hates families, sabotages relationships, promotes promiscous sex while fearing emotionally bonding sex. Because by taking away options from women, it forces women to make more sacrifices for money. If women are miserable it doesn't care, as long as women are more profitable.

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[PaulRivers10]

The ones that are still alive get more reward.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Last time I checked, USA is a white country, and I quite got lost with the Rome analogy.

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[Anonymous Coward]

When I was younger, I remember hearing from my friends in low retail positions about how they were always looking for more hours.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Contraceptives for men:
1) abstinence (arguably)
2) condoms
3) pornhub et. al.

To help facilitate 1), consider trying:
a) getting an engineering or, even better, CS degree
b) reading slashdot
c) APK's hosts file

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[Anonymous Coward]

The US needs a labor party then, I moved to then EU about 5 years ago.

If I'm let go, I get three months notice, and collect unemployment for 6 months, and I even get assistance for finding a new job.

Of course my taxes are higher though, but I don't have to worry about loosing my job, house, car, etc.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Because women never beat up men?

Try looking up some threads of women boasting about beating up their partners.

Women can learn to hit, same as any man.
You making excuses for their behavior is just toxic femininity.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Because it's true. If they demanded more for unskilled labor they can be easily replaced. In part this is due to open borders bringing in millions of foreign unskilled to compete with native unskilled. Math doesn't lie. More workers per job yields lower wages.

Close the borders and enforce I9 standards and wages will rise without any interference.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Only 6 months? What kind of third world anti labor people hating shithole did you move to?

I got 99 weeks in the US last time I got laid off.

Poor dumb European losers even pay higher taxes to get lower benefits. You chose the wrong country, my friend!

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[Anonymous Coward]

You just got fired from Google.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Don't worry, analogies should make more sense by middle school.

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[mjwx]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

In other news, the leading cause of poverty (that is, people who *become* poor) is getting knocked up at a young age and having a bunch of children you cannot afford instead of completing your education and establishing a career.

Yet if you dare suggest things like delayed gratification, birth control, the fact that we all know where babies come from ... well it's amazing how people will villify you for that. Even people who did it that way themselves!

I agree with your point about life choices... but the leading cause of poverty is still being born into poverty. A young girl from Bello, Colombia isn't going to magically elevate herself out of that place because she resists having a kid, it still takes money to go to school, money her family is short of.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, but it is still possible that female Uber drivers are being discriminated against and that this is reducing their salaries.

Here's a theory: driving a cab is more dangerous for women than for men. Women are more likely to be attacked or just mistreated by passengers. This could explain why female drivers do fewer overnight shifts (the most dangerous ones) and why the attrition rate is higher for female drivers.

If this theory is correct then female Uber drivers are still paid less due to their personal choices, that is true. However it would also be accurate to say that they are facing a harsher workplace environment than male Uber drivers based on their gender. Are their choices personal? Yes. Rational? Probably. Is discrimination against them based on their gender the ultimate cause of those decisions? Gee, sure seems possible. Let's just say that this study is not sufficient to rule that out.

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[DaveV1.0]

Your forgot "as a single woman"

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[Anonymous Coward]

NEWSFLASH: young people do dumb stuff.

Let me know when you have a time machine so they can fix things, otherwise, quit punishing children for their parents mistakes.

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[Cederic]

The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this

Why? It blows a massive hole in their sexist 'wage gap' propaganda.

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[DaveV1.0]

This suggests that it isn't just the woman who's making that choice.

This is demonstrably false.

• Men and women make the choice to have sex.
• Women have the choice to use the pill, IUDs, sponges, condoms, etc. or refuse to have sex with the man.
• If a woman gets pregnant, she has the choice to have an abortion and the man has zero say in the matter. If he wants the baby, he can't stop her from having an abortion. If he doesn't want the baby, he can't make her have an abortion.
• If she doesn't put a name for the father on the birth certificate, she can choose to keep it or put it up for adoption and the man has no say.
• If she keeps the baby, she can then sue for paternity and he will be required to pay child support, even if he didn't want the baby and he may be denied contact with the child. The man has no say.

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[DaveV1.0]

Why are women not taking the more profitable shifts?

The most profitable shifts are late night, early morning, and at high traffic times which often occur about the same time as schools letting out. Single mothers will tend not to take those shifts.

Why are they dropping out as drivers more than men?

Why don't you ask them? I have little doubt it has a lot to do with the low pay.

Why are we rewarding people for speeding?

That is an assumption. Driving at the speed limit is not speeding. Driving more aggressively, but not illegally or dangerously so, is not speed nor even illegal.

This just kicks the can a way down the road, rather than explaining everything.

You give me the impression that you have already decided the explanation and don't want to hear the truth.

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[houghi]

So why is it that men prefer to risk their live more than women? Most likely because big boys don't cry. (Rather shoot yourself in the head than not be tough). Talking, especially about emotions, is seen as female and you can't be seen as female, because that would be bad as you would not be a though guy.

I see it not as women not doing those jobs, but men somehow feel they must do that type of jobs.

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[DaveV1.0]

I notice you keep using the word "could". This shows you are just making up excuses with no data.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Well, Uber doesnâ(TM)t pay out in âwagesâ(TM). Drivers make a percentage of the fare. All drivers make the same rates, but habits can determine what someoneâ(TM)s hourly âwageâ(TM) could be. Itâ(TM)s quite different than companies who set wages for individual employees.... to which there has been shown to be bias, unrelated to job performance.

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[DaveV1.0]

Women tend to pick jobs and employers on different criteria, specifically how they feel about the employer and job. Men are much more money focused.

Women are more likely to take a job in a non-profit that pays 20% less because working for the non-profit makes them feel better about themselves. Men are more likely to take a job with a company they don't like because it pays 20% more.

Women will tend to stay in a job with a company they like with people they like even if they are offered more money from a company they are ambivalent to with people they don't know. Men will tend to jump at the higher salary

Men are much more likely to take a shitty job that pays a lot so they can leave the job and get a higher salary at the next company than women. Women are more likely to choose jobs based on non-financial benefits such as flex time, time off, company culture, and how the job makes them feel about themselves.

Men and women have different priorities when it comes to career choices. The above was determeined by a female economist

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[DaveV1.0]

He said:

You're saying that I should be able to take 10 years off work and open up a shop on Etsy and make the same as the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

You said:

So women are the only people who are allowed to be on Etsy and all CEOs of Fortune 500 companies should all be men?

Why are you lying about what he said, Tony?

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[DaveV1.0]

Women tend to pick jobs and employers on different criteria, specifically how they feel about the employer and job. Men are much more money focused.

Women are more likely to take a job in a non-profit that pays 20% less because working for the non-profit makes them feel better about themselves. Men are more likely to take a job with a company they don't like because it pays 20% more.

Women will tend to stay in a job with a company they like with people they like even if they are offered more money from a company they are ambivalent to with people they don't know. Men will tend to jump at the higher salary

Men are much more likely to take a shitty job that pays a lot so they can leave the job and get a higher salary at the next company than women. Women are more likely to choose jobs based on non-financial benefits such as flex time, time off, company culture, and how the job makes them feel about themselves.

Men and women have different priorities when it comes to career choices. The above was determined by a female economist

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[AmiMoJo]

Indeed. There are two separate issues that often get conflated.

1. Equal pay for equal work. There is some debate about how much difference experience should make here.

2. Equal pay regardless of gender. This is more complex because there is much debate about how much things like pausing a career to become a parent is truly free choice for both parents, and if employers are acting free from bias etc.

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[Anonymous Coward]

We should encode genders into the numbers themselves. 1 is obviously female. So is 2. And 3. And 4. And 5. And 6. And 7, 8, 9 and 0. From there we derive the corrected engendering totals, which can then serve as the new social fundament to encode into future generations. All current generations are lost unfortunately and urgently need to be replaced.

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[AmiMoJo]

Men seem to be more willing to take risks, such as a big car loan to buy a nice vehicle that gets high ratings and increases their Uber income.

Driving faster is an interesting one. It's well understood that driving a little slower but more consistently is generally the best way to avoid slowing down traffic overall, and not accelerating hard/anticipating reduction in speed reduces fuel consumption and emissions.

It would be nice if Uber rewarded good driving, but I guess most customers prefer speed (within reason).

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[AmiMoJo]

Article mentions a book that argues mostly naming ideas in maths after Europeans and Greeks gives the impression that they invented all of it. Note that ancient Greeks were not "white".

Somehow you read "all math and science are White Supremacist". I think the problem here is your reading comprehension.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Only 6 months? What kind of third world anti labor people hating shithole did you move to?

I got 99 weeks in the US last time I got laid off.

Poor dumb European losers even pay higher taxes to get lower benefits. You chose the wrong country, my friend!

Did you work around the system? Also, the length of paid unemployment is depended on state you are in. It is 19 weeks (NC) up to 73 weeks. On average, it is 40~63.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I would worry that c) above would be permanent though...

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[Anonymous Coward]

So once again, like many (perhaps all?) other things, being an individual and striving to make rational choices is VERY MUCH BETTER than allowing anyone's group-think to dictate your important life choices.

I don't think your statement is ALWAYS true. In generally, being an individual with average to good moral would make much better rational choices. However, not all humans ARE ALWAYS good in nature. In that case, even though it is uncommon, the group-think would be much better off.

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[Anonymous Coward]

the study didn't say men drove faster, they said men drove more miles/hour

driving faster is one possible reason for that
less chit-chatting at pickup and destination is another possible reason

also the study said men did more overnight shifts then women, and since there's generally a lot less traffic at night that will shift the average distance driven without speeding in favor of men

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[Anonymous Coward]

She can also choose to give the child up for adoption, I don't believe the man is involved with that choice either.

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[Anonymous Coward]

A Friends ex was bad like that.

She lied about beeing on the pill.
Luckley he refused sex without a condom.
When he caugth here poking holes in his condoms he brooke Up.

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[Anonymous Coward]

yes, Woman would be required to inform that father of pregnancy by a certain period. Men would then have a irrevocable choice to "disavow" the child by a certain date. This would involve giving up all parental rights and responsibility for the child. The Man would be required to inform the woman of this choice. Woman can then make an informed choice if they want an abortion. Paperwork should be done to document the choices made. If the woman does not inform the man until much later say 5 years into the childs life then at the point the man has the option to disavow or retain his rights and responsibilities. This gives the man a similar option to abortion without forcing the woman to have one. It does not fix the problem of a woman having an abortion that a man does not want (i'm not sure there is a good way to handle that) but its at least a step towards equal rights.

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[SuiteSisterMary]

Did you ever meet a woman who was deathly afraid that her man might "put her in the doghouse"?

Yes; it's why there are so many battered women's shelters around.

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[XxtraLarGe]

Would you advocate giving men rights over the unborn child, and if so what rights and how would they be balanced against the rights of the mother to control her body?

How about if women are able to unilaterally decide to abort their unborn children, men can unilaterally decide to cede their paternity & be off the hook for child support?

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[grasshoppa]

I'm a fan of fiscal abortion being available to both parties, but more than that I advocate for women to be required to legally inform the father of any pending birth so that he might make an informed decision about his role as a father.

Note: I reserve the right for the woman to be the sole decision maker when it comes to getting an abortion. Biology isn't fair, and I respect that's a decision that should be left to the woman. However, after that I want men to have control over their own legal and fiscal destiny. Effectively the same rights that women now enjoy.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes; it's why there are so many battered women's shelters around.

Given the lack of men's shelters and the fact that actual rates of DV are about even across genders, I don't think this makes the point you think it does.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Read beyond the first bullet point and you'll see, "She also worries that evaluations of math skills can perpetuate discrimination against minorities, especially if they do worse than their white counterparts."

I think the problem here is your reading comprehension.

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[torkus]

At some point, some sane person will point out that men and women, while equal, are still DIFFERENT.

Those differences manifest in many ways with various benefits and negatives. As a man, I'd LOVE to have the default option to stay at home and play housewife or not have to worry about my income being the main/required one for survival as most women still have in their minds today.

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[Anonymous Coward]

That's abuse, and women have a lot of legal power over an abuser. Withholding sex isn't abusive and men have no legal power over a woman who doesn't want to have sex with them. Really your comparison is absurd apples and oranges.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe they are more likely to be victims late at night because they are the majority of people who are out late at night? I'm not saying that is definitely the reason, I am only saying that it is a possibility.

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[torkus]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

...when it comes to Uber drivers. The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this and tout it as evidence that there is no such thing as an unjustified gender pay gap, without acknowledging that the factors causing it here are not relevant to other industries and types of employment.

And others will simply dismiss one of the few clear examples of detailed factual information from which clear conclusions can be drawn.

But, ya know, confirmation bias is not really a thing either. /sarcasm

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[Anonymous Coward]

I watched a youtube channel called the factual feminist. She pointed out that for much of human history, marriage was seen largely as an exchange of labor for reproductive rights. (This is why for a long time spouse rape was seen as impossible, as she had already given consent.)

The fact is that men have a relatively small (required) contribution to make reproductively (hence why harems can/did/do exist), thus his contribution is that he can labor. Generations have ingrained the idea that a man's place is bringing income to the home. While 'recent' events have challenged the idea that a woman's place is in the home and that they can and should earn income as well. There hasn't been much of a challenge to the idea that men's place is labor.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, but that girl may find it easier to make a living and stay out of poverty if she can take whatever job she's offered instead of having to turn some down because she has to take care of children.

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[Anonymous Coward]

News flash: men work much harder than women. The end. Common sense dispensed.

If you are a women, feel free to work hard. No one cares or will stop you. Except whitey.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yup. This used to be common sense. Whatâ(TM)s with all the retards now?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Women could be expected to drop their shifts sooner than men to do other chores and family tasks. Men already make more than women for the same labour, so by the same token, women should be expected to do non-paying tasks more than men. This is a self-selecting and cultural bias.

This is something I have observed in my own life. When we had kids, my wife elected to put off starting a career and instead cared for the child. Why? I was already working and pulling in good money, it didn't make sense for us to give that up.

I think the root of it might be as simple as that husbands tend to be older than wives, and thus they are a few years ahead economically, and thus when the topic of giving up an income comes up, the wife is usually the natural choice. This puts her further behind economically, and the cycle then can repeat. It is similar to why most Canadians in the NHL are born in two months of the year. They are the oldest in their class, thus the biggest, most coordinated, and thus the coaches concentrate more on them, and they get better, and so get more attention, etc.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Picking up anyone who needs an uber is a third one.

I wouldn't be surprised if it a lot of women driving for uber only pick up those that are either women or look respectable / hot / rich / not creepy.

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[Anonymous Coward]

#1 There is no debate. More experience == better pay. How much should be determined by the market value of said experience.

# 2 Nature decided that females of the human species bear and and do most of the rearing of children. This was not something invented or imposed by the "patriarchy". Still, any woman in a western state, can choose to have children or not. This is not "complex". The only ones with almost no choice in the matter is the male of the species. As for bias from employers....not sure what you mean. But yes shocking news, if you choose to have children, you will need to make sacrifices......imagine that.....

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[Anonymous Coward]

They get paid the same, it is just that men prefer to work longer hours, take on riskier jobs and probably take less breaks/ spend less time chatting than women..

And yet, in my office, it's the guys (4) who spend the majority of their time chatting about cars, NASCAR, television shows, music, and the chick on the 9th floor who has an affinity for wearing exotic animal print shoes and clothing. Go figure.

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[Pyramid]

Oh, it's 21% now? I thought it was 7%. I mean 9%. I mean 24%.

Funny how the number is all over the place...

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[Pyramid]

Yes, the gap is real. But demonstrably, not purely because of sex. Womens' choices are kind of important, don't you think?

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[i286NiNJA]

Bingo! Politics aren't rational at all.

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[dcw3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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[Anonymous Coward]

Pretty sure if you where to do an honest study about spousal abuse, men are probably going to the sex that suffers most absue (physical and mental/emotional).

Even if you just look at the physical aspect but include "microagressions" (such as being slapped once by a woman, or hit on the chest lightly during an argument, etc.) pretty sure males will come up on top as the most frequent victims.

It`s only when you define abuse as being hit hard enough to cause visible and quantifiable harm do women come on top, which is not surprising to me as males tend to be stronger and can hit a lot harder when they become violent.

Furthermore you need to account for what portion of the women in shelters come from cultures where the two sexes have yet to achieve equality among the sexes there are. It is quite dishonest to point to for example a couple who recenlty emmigrated from a country like Saudi Arabia, where it is not uncommon for a husband to discipline his wife, to Canada, and then turn around and blame the issue on Canadian (misygonistic) culture, where such behavior is not accepted or even legal.

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[Anonymous Coward]

#1 This comes down to life choices; She chose to have a family and o take care of her family. Nobody forced her into that position.

#2 Not sure how this makes sense. I do not recall any man starting with a man bonus from the patriarchy when they became adults, to have a head start in life. If little Billy started doing paper routes when he was 12 to save up for a car when he was 16 and then earned even more money doing delivery, it comes down to life choices. If Sally decided to do ballet at 12 but she was not good enough to lead to a career in it, again that was her life choice and then the logical outcome.

#3 She chose to have children. Again comes back to life choices.

When people are free to make their own choices, the normal natural result is different outcomes for different people. Only when you have NO CHOICES is the outcome equal for everybody.

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[Dread_ed]

You ask the wrong question in a wrong way, and invent answers that are so naive they seem to be intentionally created to cause misunderstanding of the issues. You seem to be a disgusting sexist pig, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You may just be incredibly ignorant.

Men don't prefer to risk their lives, and women don't have to. This is sexism at it's most basic level. Admit it. Understand it.

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[dcw3]

They would if they were competing for the same job, but that's not likely the case. You just need to look back at the last recession when a lot of out of work managers were trying to get accepted into lower paying jobs, and being told they were "over qualified".

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[Anonymous Coward]

Wait, biology isn't fair??? Well, we need laws to fix that, asap!

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[dcw3]

Would you advocate giving men rights over the unborn child, and if so what rights and how would they be balanced against the rights of the mother to control her body?

In the event that she decides to give it up for adoption, I most certainly would give the father rights, unless there's legal proof of some kind of abuse.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I'd also like to add:

Arctic ocean fishing expeditions that last for continuous six-month voyages. The men who work these jobs pull in six figure earnings, despite not need high levels of education.

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[WeezulDK]

Thank you, finally I see someone pointing out the obvious flaw in the "wage gap" issue: It's not that women are paid less than men for the same jobs (that's been illegal since the legislation passed in the 60's), but the actual *earnings* that are different due to behaviors and decisions made.

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[guruevi]

You're never overqualified to do line work and other day labour. As long as you can pick up a fryer or stand on your feet for 8 hours, you're hired. You don't show up the next day and they really won't care. Those are the jobs these people are competing for and it's highly unlikely they'll do any better than store manager.

You cannot go into a McDonalds and apply for a store manager job with a managers' resume, they know that whenever you get a better offer, you'll be out of the door, they want these people that have worked themselves up from fry cook because they know that's the highest they can possibly attain without further education and they're more likely to stay on in that position, providing stability for the franchise.

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[david_thornley]

I'm asking questions I don't know the answers to. I don't know what, fundamentally, is going on.

I do know that a lot of people want to see investigations until the investigation comes up with one that satisfies their prejudices, and then take that as the correct answer. Some people note the pay gap and consider that wrong. Some people look at more investigations that come up with reasons behind the pay gap, and conclude that, since there are reasons, there's nothing to worry about. I'm asking what happens if we go further, if we explore why these reasons exist for men and women. That's one thing Damore tried to do at Google. I like some of the questions he was bringing up.

We could also discuss equality of opportunity. Women are more vulnerable to physical attack than men, on the whole, and that isn't equality. Should we do something about that?

Or the reasons for the reasons. Pay and promotions seem to be based on things more typically male. If we looked at contributions differently, could we come up with a different perspective?

I'm not offering up answers here. I just want to see questions out there.

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[david_thornley]

Rats. I forgot about the one who has two mothers (one genetic and one gestational) and a sperm donor. Sorry.

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[david_thornley]

And I've known a guy or two who controlled his wife like that. It goes both ways.

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[XxtraLarGe]

The problem with the "male abortion" is that it give the man a very easy way out of their responsibilities. It's generally recognized that for most woman an abortion is no small matter or easy decision, but it's considerably easier for the man to just sign the paper and leave the mother to figure out what she is going to do.

Legally, a man can't stop a woman from having an abortion, and he can't force her to have one either. If women get a choice, then so should men. Your perception about the difficulty of those decisions shouldn't have any bearing.

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[david_thornley]

Aside from sexual assault (much more likely to be man-on-woman than the reverse), the man and the woman hold equal power. both need to agree to have sex. If you're saying that women have more power because men always want sex, you're stereotyping and claiming that men are usually irresponsible. You're giving up on men and putting responsibility for their actions on women.

Lots of people of both sexes are firmly against abortion. I'm not, but many are, so abortion is out of the question. The only 100% sure form of contraception is abstinence, and that's just as much a man thing as a woman thing.

The man is, under no circumstances, forced to be pregnant. Pregnancy is pretty dangerous as far as conditions go nowadays. There's a lot that can go wrong, and not all of that is fixable after birth. It does semi-incapacitate woman for months. It can cause really weird mood swings. The man can walk away with only a financial obligation, and many try to get out of that. This is not a symmetric situation.

Finally, your psychoanalysis sucks.

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[david_thornley]

I just looked at the moderation on this. Currently, it got +1, Interesting and -2, Overrated. I take it that Slashdotters don't want to talk about this.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Equal pay for eeual work. Sums it up nicely.

I've been informed that you are misogynist by several feminist PHDs.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Won't take too long until someone decides we should start feeding growth hormones to baby girls and feed baby boys less so they're undernourished and remain small.

Hooray! Equality!

What metric would you suggest to measure an employees worth other than "Does shit get done? Is it good shit?"
Maybe pay based on emotional intellect or something whether or not it has any relevance to the task?

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[MisterFnortner]

Equal pay for equal work is utopian nonsense since there is no way to a) gauge work effort, and b) work is an input not an output. Better: equal pay for equal value. Most employers understand this implicitly. Case in point, women Uber drivers 'work' their auto and their calls just like men, but don't make as much per hour. They are not doing the valuable work that men are.

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[Anonymous Coward]

You sound angry. Are you ok?

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[grasshoppa]

You jest, but that concept is taboo among the more elite SJWs. Gender is a social construct, don't you know.

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[lsatenstein]

Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

In other news, the leading cause of poverty (that is, people who *become* poor) is getting knocked up at a young age and having a bunch of children you cannot afford instead of completing your education and establishing a career.

Yet if you dare suggest things like delayed gratification, birth control, the fact that we all know where babies come from ... well it's amazing how people will villify you for that. Even people who did it that way themselves!

The reason for not being able to complete an education is not because of having a child and being married, its because there is no available low cost government funded daycare as there is public funded schools.

In Quebec Canada, daycare started out more than 10 years ago at $7.00/day. Today, it is less than $10.00 per day/child (no food offered).

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[SunTzuWarmaster]

Here are some interesting facts for you:
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat...

13% of mining industry is female.
9% of the construction industry is female.
7% of leatherworkers are female.
9% of sewage treatment facility operators are female.
7% of industrial maintainers are female.

had to dig a little deeper to find welders/brazers:
https://www.bls.gov/cps/wlftab...
4% of the welders are female.

Approximately TWO percentage of the carpentry field is female (https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm). You could host all ~30K of them in a conference center.

However...
27% of computer programmers are female.

But it seems to be one long non-stop onslaught of "women in tech, women in STEM, female programmers, female venture capitalists."

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

You've never heard of a man choosing to simply walk away? Abortion through absence. It's quite common.

Re:Shocking.

[Actually, I do RTFA]

(1) That's a very questionable statistic. The biggest predictor, by far, of poverty is your parent's poverty. So focusing on how people become poor seems far less important than focusing on why people who grow up poor stay poor

(2) I'm not sure how "properly using birth control" is related to delayed gratification. I will say a lot of Republicans really really hate the idea of teaching birth control methods in school and making it freely available to students. Given that Democrats tend to be in favor of this, I'm imagine the only vilification would come from religious conservatives.

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

I ain't sayin she a gold digga...

Re:Shocking.

[grasshoppa]

Biology isn't fair.

However, if we want to pretend to be a fair and equal society, then men should be entitled to the same procreation rights that women enjoy. So either we openly take the stance that men should be ultimately responsible for everyone's choices, or we afford them those rights.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

Equal pay for equal work

But, as outlined in the article summary, the women typically aren't doing 'equal work' so their per hour pay is not 'equal' to their male co-workers.

The moment a woman decides not to work a late night shift, to only take fares near her home, or to only work the hours her children are in school she's chosen to limit her income potential.

The only way something like Ãoeber can offer 'Equal pay for equal work' is to shift to an hourly pay structure instead of their current commission-based/per-mile compensation model.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

Getting laid off from a professional, salaried career, does not explain generational poverty in families where 34 year old women are called 'Grandma' and all three generations are living on public assistance.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

It's majority white, but not 'Norway' white.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

A woman that learns how to provoke a man into hitting her - possibly even by hitting the man first - will invariably 'win' in the both the court of public approval AND the court of law.

It's not fair, but it is the truth - there is no defense in any but the most extreme and well-documented cases for striking a woman.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

The man has no say.

The man has absolute say over where his 'boy parts' go, and if/how to TRY and prevent conception... Likewise the woman has absolute say over what goes into her 'lady parts' and how to TRY and prevent conception.

Re: Shocking.

[kenh]

Contraception in America is free - see Obamacare debates - and I'm not aware of the US abortion rate going down.

Democrats like to talk about making/keeping abortions "Safe, Legal, and rare." Next time a democrat spews that party line, ask the man what they do to help make abortion "rare"...

Re:Shocking.

[david_thornley]

Someone probably already has made a suggestion like growth hormone for girls and malnutrition for boys. It's amazing the range of crackpot opinions you can get. No group with any actual power is going to push them.

I like the metric "Does shit get done? Is it good shit?", and wish it were used more. There are some jobs where it's easily measurable. A factory worker might make sixty widgets in a day, and a random five may pass quality control. There are other jobs which require cooperation and teamwork, and it's difficult to attribute that to individuals. In the case of software development, it's hard to know if it is good for some time. Something that works just fine might have security holes and completely unintelligible code.

Therefore, employers employ proxy measurements instead of actual productivity, and those are a lot more subjective. Working extra hours is seen as dedication rather than semi-incompetence or being bad at time management. (On-call is relevant to the business.) Soft skills, which can be very important in keeping teams running smoothly, can be undervalued (and probably are frequently). On the opposite side, it seems to be easier to get rid of someone for lack of technical skills than in bad social skills that undermine other people's performance.

Heck, if employers were interested in getting good stuff done, they would work at getting employees to do that, rather than going with the business fad of the year. Open-plan offices for software developers is not generally a good idea, but it's trendy, or at least used to be. One of the things I like about my current job is the relative lack of crap involved in doing good stuff.

Re:Shocking.

[david_thornley]

No, this means coming up with hypotheses that might be testable.

Re: Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

Excellent argument.

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

The name of the Article is "Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege". The GP could be inflating the issue a bit to "white supremacy", but the title of the article is inflammatory against white people specifically.

Re: Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. This is not equality.

Re: Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

That's a good pro-life argument you just made there.

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

You've never heard of child support?

Re:Shocking.

[laie_techie]

Yes, and importantly we can do without Slashdot's click bait like headline.

The headline should have read 'female uber drivers earn less than men'.

In this day and age, is there any doubt as to how they chose to word the headline? Female Uber drivers earn less means the onus is on the female drivers; Female Uber drivers get paid less suggests bias on the part of Uber. Which wording is more sensational and more likely for earn clicks?

Re: Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't have to worry about loosing my job, house, car, etc.

But do you have to worry about tightening them, instead?

("Loose" is the opposite of "tight." "Lose" is the opposite of "win", "gain", or "find." Why the crap don't people know this anymore?)

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

The outcome of the woman's decision to abort is that the man does not have a child.

And the child dies.

The outcome of the man's decision to abort is that the woman of forced to decide between being a single parent, getting an abortion or going through with the pregnancy and giving the child up for adoption.

If we're talking about the biological father having a claim to the child then the woman deciding to become single wouldn't affect the outcome.

Re your sig: "Reasonable, good-faith" does not equal "in line with your political views".

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

  This just kicks the can a way down the road, rather than explaining everything.

Okay. "42" then.

Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

About 50 percent of the earnings gap is explained away by differences in driving speed.

In general, men work for Uber longer than women so they are more experienced.

Simple biology.
But no, we'll be told that this is proof of unfair compensation practices by Uber and they should change their algorithms to compensate or force men not to speed by monitoring their GPS while driving.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Baron_Yam]

Well... if they're aware their service is encouraging breaking of public road safety regulations... yeah, they should put a soft speed cap on, perhaps by fining drivers who exceed the limits.

I say that as someone who routinely speeds and generally doesn't respect speed enforcement (speed limits are artificially low in my opinion, 'everybody' speeds and the roads aren't red with blood so it isn't for safety)... but having a company encourage such behaviour is a different matter.

Re: Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

Who said anything about speeding? It said they drive faster than the women, not that they were breaking the law (or that the women weren't either, for that matter). Nice try at spinning it into something it's not, but you'll have to try a bit hard next time.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[reboot246]

That's quite a jump you made there. The article said the men drove faster. It didn't say they were speeding. It could very well be that the women drivers simply drove s-l-o-w-e-r.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[cayenne8]

Well... if they're aware their service is encouraging breaking of public road safety regulations... yeah, they should put a soft speed cap on, perhaps by fining drivers who exceed the limits.

Oh come on...

I don't know where you live, but where I live and have lived, if you're going the speed limit, you're in serious jeopardy of getting run over by every other driver on the road.

No one goes the posted speed limits here....I guess, except a few female uber drivers I guess. I'm guessing those are the ones everyone is honking and and getting pissed off about?

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Ichijo]

'everybody' speeds and the roads aren't red with blood so [speed limits aren't] for safety

Hah! That's a good example of the logical fallacy called modus tollens:

If speeding is unsafe, then speeding will make the roads red with blood.
The roads are not red with blood.
Therefore, speeding is not unsafe.

Here's the example from Wikipedia:

If Rex is a chicken, then he is a bird.
Rex is not a bird.
Therefore, Rex is not a chicken.

Maybe the reason the streets are not red with blood is not because speeding is safe but because we've scared away anyone who isn't protected by a cage of steel and glass.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Srin Tuar]

> If Rex is a chicken, then he is a bird.
> Rex is not a bird.
> Therefore, Rex is not a chicken.

Uh, that's actually the contrapositive. Its not only not a fallacy, its foundational logic.

Perhaps you should read the very top of the wikipedia page you linked:

> In propositional logic, modus tollens[1][2][3][4] (or modus tollendo tollens and also denying the consequent)[5] (Latin for "the way that denies by denying")[6] is a valid argument form and a rule of inference.

> is a valid argument form

is a valid argument form

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[stoborrobots]

The relevant numbers are an average of 19.5 miles per hour for men in Chicago, vs 18.8 for women in Chicago.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Baron_Yam]

In my area, the only people who go under the limit are in that age range where a doctor should be checking to see if they're still able to safely operate a vehicle. (And man, do I wish the Grim Reaper upon them frequently since one of my common driving routes passes by a retirement community...) In my experience, the only way for men to drive faster than women is for the men to be speeding.

Statistically, men tend to be riskier drivers (which I'm willing to attribute to testosterone, the cause of and solution to all men's problems!). We have the big accidents that kill people. Women have a lot more of the fender-bender type, likely because they're still over represented in the 'running errands all day' category. Take those 'facts' with a grain of salt, as it's been a while since I've read up on the subject and things may have changed or I may be recalling incorrectly.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

uhm... modus tollens is not a logical fallacy, and it even states in the article you linked that it is a VALID form of argument.

There are other logical issues with OPs statement, such as that "the roads red with blood" is a subjective metaphorical statement (and a bit of hyperbole)which should not be used in a logical argument, but modus tollens is a perfectly valid form of argument, it was just wrong for OP to use it.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Ichijo]

'everybody' speeds and the roads aren't red with blood so [speed limits aren't] for safety

Hah! That's a good example of the logical fallacy called denying the antecedent!

If speeding makes the roads red with blood, then speeding is unsafe.
Speeding does not make the roads red with blood.
Therefore, speeding is not unsafe.

Here's another example:

If Rex is a chicken, then he is a bird.
Rex is not a chicken.
Therefore, Rex is not a bird.

Maybe the reason the streets are not red with blood is not because speeding is safe but because we've scared away anyone who isn't protected by a cage of steel and glass.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Ichijo]

Thanks! Fixed.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[MightyYar]

Or even that they took routes with more congestion.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

You were wrong the first time. You're wrong here. Give it up you fucking muppet.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

That fucking 0.7mph aggression.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny, in my area the only people who go under the limit are the assholes so engrossed in their cell phone conversation that they don't realize they're doing 15 under and there's a mile of backed up traffic behind them. Their ages range from mid 20s to late 60s typically.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[Anonymous Coward]

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/hf/pl11028/chapter4.cfm

In 2009 (most recent data year) 87% of eligible driver-age population have a license.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191653/number-of-licensed-drivers-in-the-us-since-1988/

Currently, there are 222 million licensed drivers with 269 million licensed cars. I believe your supposition that we've scared drivers off the road to be unsupported by evidence.

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[torkus]

If it's less than 1.0 I think it counts as a micro-aggression.

Or at least a mini-aggression!

Deci-aggression?

Re:Women aren't aggressive

[torkus]

I assume your area is not a major metropolitan one. In big cities the speed limits are 25-35 MPH (lower near schools, higher on highways of course). Typically people rarely drive the speed limit. Either they are stuck in traffic and going well below it (or stopped at a light) or there is no traffic and they go as fast as they can (well, within vaguely sane bounds). IOW, people get stuck behind a few stopped cars, go aroudn them, speed through the next few green lights until they catch a red one or more traffic, and repeat.

I based this off working in NYC for 20 years and frequent travel to a dozen+ other major cities around the US (including Chicago)

I'm amused by the confirmation bias in your second paragraph, but not enough to actually dignify it with a response.

Alternate headline

[Anonymous Coward]

Alternate headline: Data Proves Male Uber Drivers Should Have Their Licenses Revoked

Re:Alternate headline

[Anonymous Coward]

Or you're ignoring common sense. Different hours of the day have different traffic patterns. Less cars on the road tend to mean spending more time at the speed limit. Also, more experienced drivers will choose faster routes--this can mean driving on roads with higher speed limits or knowing which side roads to take. Finally, while probably less safe to do so, male drivers might be more willing to be more aggressive at maintaining maximum speed.

I'd actually be interested if they compared male/female Uber drivers on gas efficiency. If the difference is mostly aggressive driving, males should have substantially lower fuel economy. I'd also be interested to know if this lower fuel economy (if it exists) actually is still more profitable or not.

In any case, you're being just as guilty at drawing conclusions as people who hear about a wage gap think it's sexism. You're just being sexist against men.

Re:Alternate headline

[pubwvj]

"Alternate headline: Data Proves Male Uber Drivers Should Have Their Licenses Revoked"

I assume you mean because they drive faster than their female counterparts. But you make a possibly false assumption to justify your chauvinism: you are assuming that the male Uber drivers are driving over the speed limit. That is not what the article said. It merely said that the male drivers are driving faster than the female drivers. There are several possible explanations for such a result such as the male drivers drive at the speed limit and the female drivers drove slower than the speed limit or perhaps the male drivers are quicker to see and take opportunities such as lane changes or timing lights. All of these are valid reasons why one group may be faster than the other group without violating the law. Shame on you for your sexism and your ASSumptions.

Re:Alternate headline

[ruir]

Or some drivers know better their way around and do not depend so much on GPSes.

Re:Alternate headline

[dcw3]

Alternative headline: AC Proves We Should Ignore ACs Who Don't RTFA

I'd drive a taxi...

[Anonymous Coward]

But besides not being able to afford me, the passengers would need a diaper.
The Stig

Not surprising

[Anonymous Coward]

If you do the same analysis in the workplace you come up with no gender pay gap as well.

Good info though for why no equal pay laws are needed.

Men take more risks. . .

[Anonymous Coward]

So basically men take more risks, work more graveyard shifts and don't give up, even though they might want to, because they're working as providers for women who choose to have children?

Are we different

[Doub]

Wow, it turns out women and men are different. Are we on the verge of finding a way to tell a man from a woman?

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Are we on the verge of finding a way to tell a man from a woman?

No, that definition is getting more blurred all the time. Soon the "gender pay gap" will disappear because there won't be any recognition of gender.

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Grab them by the pussy.

Re:Are we different

[david_thornley]

Apparently not, given the number of people here who don't believe in gender dysphoria. That would require acknowledging that there are more than the obvious physical differences between men and women.

Re: Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Not all women have pussies, shitlord.

Re:Are we different

[Rockoon]

Who here doesnt believe in gender dysphoria?

Looks like you are projecting something onto people that simply acknowledge that dysphoria is a mental illness and that we shouldnt be chopping off the body parts mentally ill people just because this time its a sex organ instead of an arm or leg.

Re: Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Does yours have an adams apple? lol

Re:Are we different

[nonBORG]

The LGBT will let you know that your gender is your choice. You do not have a significant birth Gender, I think there was a news artificial about some parents who decided not to put down the gender on the birth certificate until the child was old enough to decide. Of course the old visual method for identifying if it is boy or girl bits and pieces is over ridden by this new and more advanced method that does not relate to fact or truth but to feelings etc. There was a time where someone who looked at the facts and stated something different was the case would be called delusional.

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Nice how you replace "dogmatically following outdated views formed millennia ago" with "fact or truth". Present a definition of male and female that doesn't require at least one additional imagined up category and doesn't contradict your 'traditional' view of gender or sound idiotic. Some starters to help you out:

1. If it relies on using historic physiology rather than at that point in time (they are a boy because they were born a boy) why is gender different from age, ability, etc apart from because you want it to be.

2. If it relies on the presence or lack of sexual organs, hormones, or chromosomes define some that aren't counter to historical judgements about gender of some individuals where the rule doesn't fit, or where the gender wouldn't change if these were changed.

If the best you can come up with is I know it if I see it and it can't ever change then maybe your position isn't as strong as it should be if you expect society to stick with it forever.

Re:Are we different

[dcw3]

Wait, which gender...
https://apath.org/63-genders/

Re:Are we different

[david_thornley]

I've seen plenty of people who refer to Chelsea Manning as "him".

Gender dysphoria is a mismatch between body and brain. Currently, we can alter the body a lot easier than we can alter the brain. The most successful treatment appears to be gender reassignment. If you're going to try to deny effective treatment for people with what you consider a mental illness, we are not friends.

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

Not that guy, but I'll drop in my opinion anyway.

Almost like you said, gender dysphoria is a mismatch between body and personality. I won't say brain, because that would specify it as a hardware problem.

For afflicted there are three options:
a) modify body, currently doable -> be at ease
b) modify personality, unlikely if we let the personality in question decide (as we should) -> be at ease
c) avoid both a or b and instead keep on whining about being opressed.

Most sane transgenders do not yell at the fucking streets.
Instead they think that THEY HAD A MEDICAL PROBLEM which THEY TOOK STEPS TO CORRECT or ARE TRYING TO CORRECT.

Re:Are we different

[Rockoon]

I've seen plenty of people who refer to Chelsea Manning as "him".

Its a mentally ill man. Its the correct pronoun.

Gender dysphoria is a mismatch between body and brain.

The most successful treatment appears to be gender reassignment.

Doesnt alter their suicide rates one bit. Ergo, its not a treatment. Its just bullshit pandering to a mentally ill person.... a mental illness that we dont pander to when its an arm or leg that they want to cut off.

Dysphoria is magical when its a penis... because magic waving hand reasons NONE OF YOU PANDERING ENABLING CUNTS EVER GIVE.

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

kill yourself you evil child-mutilating fuckwit

Re:Are we different

[mcsynk]

Are we on the verge of finding a way to tell a man from a woman?

Yes. Take a look at their paycheck.

Bdoom tss !

Re:Are we different

[david_thornley]

Sure. Most transgender people I'm aware of just get what they need and go on with life. However, there are people who don't like transsexuals for some reason, and deny their existence, accuse them of being mentally ill, and keep referring to them by inappropriate pronouns and names.

Re:Are we different

[Anonymous Coward]

However, there are people who don't like transsexuals for some reason

Welcome to a free society, where people are free to like or not like things for any reason or lack thereof. We don't persecute people for thought crime here. Not yet anyway. Whether this lasts is on you.

deny their existence

Again, welcome to a free society, where people have the freedom to associate, accepting or denying anyone as they please.

We also do not have a caste system or a oppressive government (again, not yet anyway). One's existence does not depend on the acceptance or acknowledgement from someone else.

That said, we still do have laws against discrimination, assault, murder, etc so try as they might to deny you in their minds, they can't actually act on those thoughts to harm you. Not without consequences.

accuse them of being mentally ill, and keep referring to them by inappropriate pronouns and names.

Freedom of speech is another strong belief in a free society. You're free to accuse them right back of being racist sexist homophobic ignorant greedy alt-right religious nut jobs. Or just Nazis. Even when it's inappropriate. ...or rather ESPECIALLY because it's inappropriate. The greatest test of free speech is to see if it allows speech that some (or even many) find inappropriate. Besides, what is inappropriate is just a social construct, like gender. In the bad old days (or some places outside of the first world today), a woman daring to speak in public at all is "inappropriate", let alone being gay or trans. While there will always "social norms" and values held by a majority of people, a free society also allows individuals to deviate from the norm and decide what is or isn't appropriate for themselves, and possibly over time shift the norm (it's this freedom that allowed the larger acceptance of trans people in the first place)

Re:Are we different

[david_thornley]

We don't persecute people for thought crime here. Not yet anyway.

And now you're talking about the ways people persecute others who are guilty of the thought crime of thinking their gender isn't the same as the sex assigned at birth. Just because something's legal doesn't mean it's right.

feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

And here's the real take-away from that: since the differences are caused by women themselves, trying to artificially change them would be a total failure to treat women as equals by respecting their decisions!

They're either equals who get to make their choices and experience the consequences just like men do, or they're delicate flowers who need to be protected from themselves. Can't have this one both ways (though a great effort is put towards trying and failing).

Re:feminists BTFO

[ph0rk]

Parent doesn't do data science, I hope.

Here is a pretty big hint, though: The only thing the population of Uber drivers is representative of is Uber drivers. Maybe also we could infer to Lyft drivers.

Re:feminists BTFO

[mark-t]

Actually, I think it more likely to be caused by confirmation bias.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

"Data science"? Is that to differentiate it from data-less "sciences" like gender studies?

Re:feminists BTFO

[Kjella]

So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men? Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now? It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

I doubt it. It's still possible to argue that gender roles are what leads to women working less profitable shifts and having higher turnover, like for example that female drivers may get more sleazy propositions from drunk men late at night on weekends when prices are high or that mom is the one staying home to watch the kids at night or that they get less social acceptance for being an Uber driver. A lot of the glass ceiling wasn't that they didn't get equal pay for equal jobs but that they could get equal jobs in the first place even if they had the qualifications or they'd get harassed for being a woman. I recall reading an article on Ars Technica about Ivy Hooks, here's a few quotes from the 60s:

Before the NASA opportunity, Hooks had interviewed for jobs in the region's main industry - oil and gas extraction. Despite her degree in mathematics, these companies just wanted her for secretarial jobs. NASA, however, desperately needed talent, regardless of gender

By and large, the Apollo programs at this time remained bastions of masculinity. To thrive, Hooks had to prove her professional skills and have a thick skin. "I had some of the worst treatment I ever had that first year," Hooks recalled. "In today's day and age they'd probably all be in jail or something, or probably at least gotten fired.

"When they yank it off there's a little garter snake, or a garden snake, but definitely not venomous. I guess they were waiting for me to scream, or jump up, or do something. So I just reached over and picked it up and turned around to the guys behind me and said, 'Go play somewhere else.' That probably did more for my NASA career than any work I ever did."

That said, you get pretty much equal pay for equal work. But that's actually pretty well known for anyone who cares to know the truth, they have dug into those numbers and found that actual, comparable men and women doing the same work duties with the same amount of responsibility, overtime and whatnot have very close to equal pay. Some feminists and SJWs simply choose to ignore it. Sure there's the occasional bigot but not many enough to exclude women from getting market wage.

Re: feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

Donâ(TM)t be logical, asshole

Re: feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

I have a feeling that no Amount of proof would
Change your mind. Keep moving that goal post.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

Here's a pretty big hint...use the same logic to other professions...I saw a study claiming pay discrimination in 'doctors'...not 'specialty of doctors' but 'all doctors'...that is an invalid study on it's face. As is using any type of 'median salary' across the ENTIRE population to show a 'pay gap' & then making others debunk the shitty 'data science' in that 'conclusion'.

While this particular study is restricted to 'all Uber drivers' it is informative to any other statements on the matter in so much as saying 'remove ALL differences in job description before claiming any bias/discrimination' and even after you do look for things that explain the differences OTHER than 'gender bias' (e.g. length of work/experience, efficiency etc.).

In so much as it supports what so many people have been saying for years, e..g that 'choice' is the primary differentiator in pay, it supports that statement...of course those that don't want women to have choice will see it different...odd that the ones that don't want women to have or use their individual agency to make their own choices are primarily other women trying to tell them their wrong...though of course its not 'their fault' its the 'patriarchy'...e.g they have no 'agency' because men took it away from them...except we don't & don't actually care to get in their way, we have better things to do with our time like scratch our bellies.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

The typical pay gap mythology was based on averaging all women against all men regardless of occupation. So if you actually care about data science, you'd see that it's a failure from the start. When actually looking at job for job comparisons, what you'll actually find is single women actually earn more than single men in certain age brackets, or the wage gap is roughly the same as what was demonstrated in looking at the numbers from Uber. Uber's is actually higher than the 3-5% that's normally the case for same-job comparisons, and Uber's is completely gender blind. So, maybe you should stop being such a fucking moron.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

Data science is not a new word. You're not really doing yourself any favours here acting like you're superior and failing to google data science.

Re: feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

The goal post was never "uber drivers get exactly the same pay on a per hour basis taking into account gender and not holding other factors equal", so it never moved.

Re:feminists BTFO

[TechyImmigrant]

Parent doesn't do data science, I hope.

Here is a pretty big hint, though: The only thing the population of Uber drivers is representative of is Uber drivers. Maybe also we could infer to Lyft drivers.

In the US, I've yet to see an Uber driver that isn't also a Lyft driver and visa versa.

Re:feminists BTFO

[fafalone]

That's perfectly ok, because respecting other womens decisions is fundamentally unacceptable to women today. Some women choose to be housewives, and some choose to be strippers or prostitutes. Some choose to use sex to get ahead. In all these cases and more, the far-left thinks women should not in fact be free to make those choices (by punishing men for them, incidentally, and having police enforce it at gunpoint in the case of some choices).

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually it probably applies to a LOT of companies and industries, it is just those others don't have such a clear delineation between pay and choice where Gender holds zero weight in the pay calculation. potential bias exists in most industries but their simply is no clear way to measure it in most of them.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Carewolf]

So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

I would still encourage young girls to get into STEM and especially computers. There are still social presures teaching them at a young age that that they should be seeking low-paying jobs, and we can still fix that.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're stupid enough to think a single study of Uber drivers explains all differentiation of pay then because when you feel gender is irrelevant women earn 7% less then I assume you support an enforced pay cut of ~14% on all men in the US then as the gender pay gap is currently ~20-22% (I'm sure women would accept a 14% pay increase if offered instead)?

Re:feminists BTFO

[Cederic]

the gender pay gap is currently

a fucking myth put forward by sexist shits that want all the rewards for none of the work.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Anonymous Coward]

As a STEM father with a daughter who was going down that path, I'm glad she decided to switch.

STEM jobs in general are high stress, low degrees of physical activity, and contain an abnormally high percentage of individuals with poor social skills due to diagnosed and undiagnosed mental conditions. All of this leads to a comparatively poor working environment.

There's a real reason behind why, at the high school level, only 20% of computer science students are female. Women with the skills to work in computers/IT have the skills to get much better jobs and much better working environments so they are happier and healthier.

In my daughter's case, it's architecture.

Re:feminists BTFO

[19061969]

No, it's not an explanation. But it is a viable hypothesis that females' own life choices might be more responsible for their lower salary than males rather than institutional misogyny. What is needed is further research, most definitely, but this work presents an interesting (though desperately unfashionable) hypothesis that is actually supported by some evidence: Rather more evidence than the "world = sexist" hypothesis, at the very least.

Re:feminists BTFO

[Carewolf]

As a STEM father with a daughter who was going down that path, I'm glad she decided to switch.

STEM jobs in general are high stress, low degrees of physical activity, and contain an abnormally high percentage of individuals with poor social skills due to diagnosed and undiagnosed mental conditions. All of this leads to a comparatively poor working environment.

There's a real reason behind why, at the high school level, only 20% of computer science students are female. Women with the skills to work in computers/IT have the skills to get much better jobs and much better working environments so they are happier and healthier.

In my daughter's case, it's architecture.

Yeah except in architecture there are more graduates than jobs.. Sure if she is good she will get a good job, but I know several architects working as waitresses.

Interesting...

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean hard work and efficiency might actually matter more than being chatty and feeling good about yourself? Nah, say it ain't so!

[ducks and runs away from SJW crowd]

Re:Interesting...

[Anonymous Coward]

HashTag RageDuJour!

"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[katz]

Glancing quickly at the headline, "Even female Uber drivers get paid less", one may get the impression that women drivers are discriminated against. The article could have gone with "Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers", but that phrase doesn't carry the same biting edge, does it..

Re:"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[bogaboga]

"Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers", but that phrase doesn't carry the same biting edge, does it..

I agree with you 100%. That's sensationalism at work. Some people would characterize this as a small salvo at what should be called fake news.

Re:"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[Anonymous Coward]

Glancing quickly at the headline, "Even female Uber drivers get paid less", one may get the impression that women drivers are discriminated against. The article could have gone with "Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers", but that phrase doesn't carry the same biting edge, does it..

Agreed.
Also, we could even better have titled the article "people who work less at the same job earn less money".

Re:"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[Calydor]

That's actually a pretty good catch. I hadn't noticed it myself until you pointed it out. What a difference a near-synonym can make.

Re:"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[Anonymous Coward]

From "Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers" one could infer that male drivers do more hours, hence earn more, so why read the article?

Whereas "Even female Uber drivers get paid less" is accurate (in that their average hourly rate due to surge pricing, etc, is less), but you have to read the article to get the context.

Re:"Get paid less" vs. "earn less"

[sound vision]

"Female drivers get paid less" and "female drivers earn less" have exactly the same edge to me. But if you want to start nitpicking on the implications of the wording, "earning" is something one does for oneself, which would put more focus on what the drivers are doing. "Getting paid" is something that an employer does for (or to) the drivers, putting the focus on what the employer is doing.

Fun Facts

[Anonymous Coward]

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.
Unequal results does not necessarily mean there's a bias.

 

Re:Fun Facts

[Anonymous Coward]

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.
Unequal results does not necessarily mean there's a bias.

Yes but then apply this same logic to blacks, for example by looking at what happens to cities like Detroit, New Orleans, or Baltimore after blacks become a majority and acquire political power ... or by looking at black-run nations throughout the world that have little or no history of white domination (much of the Carribbean) or long ago overthrew their white plantation-owners and became independent like the USA did from Britain (such as Haiti). The only thing people can do in that instance is get upset and try to demonize you. They simply cannot argue in a factual manner.

Anyone who disagrees, please name one city or one country that's over 80% black that is a safe, relatively prosperous, and pleasant place in which to live. If such facts are on your side then clearly there is no need to get upset and try to make this personal.

Girly dollars

[RightwingNutjob]

Make one girl dollar equal to 1/.78 of a man dollar. That'll even things out.

Re:Girly dollars

[Anonymous Coward]

That's basically what is happening. The left is trying everything to hide the fact that, in the younger generations, there is no wage gap (evidence says single, young women make MORE than single, young men). They're going to push female wages up, despite all logic, using force of the state if necessary.

Re:Girly dollars

[Cederic]

Ok, but make one man tax dollar equal to three girl tax dollars to even up that disparity too.

I'd seriously support that.

Re:Girly dollars

[dcw3]

But then the girls get to live 4.8 years longer on average (81.2 vs 76.4 according to 2012 CDC data), so make one man year equal .94 women years. How many dog years is that?

I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Trailer Trash]

The real question is, how are we going to fix this problem?

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

What problem?

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

The real question is, how are we going to fix this problem?

Umm, what problem?

Assuming you're not being sarcastic, that's an actual question you really do need to answer.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

That women are being paid less. How do you not understand that's a problem that needs to be fixed?

Are you stupid?

(Don't bother answering, you're obviously stupid.)

Re: I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't care *that* they EARN less because they don't work as hard or efficiently. *We* dont need to do anything.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Trailer Trash]

Holy crap, people, I'm kidding!

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[iggymanz]

they can make extra tips giving head and handjobs.

problem solved.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[RightwingNutjob]

Too many lobsters.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[RightwingNutjob]

I knew that. You knew that. But somewhere out on the internets an army of SJWs are about to crown you their emperor.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

The real question is, how are we going to fix this problem?

I woulda given you a +1 Funny, but I just used up my last mod point.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[pubwvj]

"The real question is, how are we going to fix this problem?"

There you go assuming there is a problem. Nothing here demonstrates a problem that needs any fixing.

There are all sorts of things where group X is different than group Y but that does not mean there is a problem.

Men on average have greater muscle power, can lift more weight than women, but that does not mean that women are discriminated against. It is just biology.

Women on average have less heart attacks and live longer than men, but that does not mean that men are being discriminated against. It is just biology (for the most part). When women stop producing as much female hormones they begin catching up with the men who stop producing as much male hormones which is really much of the issue. Not really an injustice problem that needs "fixing" by PCers.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[yuriklastalov]

That's easy, #KILLALLMEN

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

That women are being paid less. How do you not understand that's a problem that needs to be fixed?

Are you stupid?

(Don't bother answering, you're obviously stupid.)

I'm not with you, could you try to break your thought down into something simpler? I don't understand, for example, why we can't just note that women's wages are lower than men's and then carry on with life as usual. I don't see why we have to do something about the situation.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't worry, some of us could still tell. But you know a particular political position has gone too far when you can't even parody it without everyone assuming you're actually serious.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

LMFAO. I might starting actually using Uber if that happened.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

They're not being paid less. They're earning less. They get paid the same wage, they just earn less for not doing the same work. If you want to fix the problem, women need to man up and put in the work.

Re: I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[PaulRivers10]

Obviously to solve this inequality problem, women should be required to wear shock collars, that shock them if they're not working the same hours as men. We need to solve this inequality problem - to help women!

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[Anonymous Coward]

In the company I work for, they've been trying to "fix" that for years. Women are promoted faster, and given larger pay raises, and we're told to hire more women. We've got all the crap on our company monitors about enabling girls into STEM, as if they were ever somehow disabled. Back in the 80s and 90s, we had a much larger percentage of female software engineers than now...we didn't purposely stop that. Pay wise, it's sucked to be a white male, especially older one, in STEM since ~ten years ago.

Re:I don't care *why* they get paid less!

[iggymanz]

there are already apps for that, it's just that you don't get to ride in a car

equality in oppurtunity; not in skill/outcome

[Anonymous Coward]

Since men are objectively better drivers (see Mythbusters "battle of the sexes" and reality everywhere), this just makes sense.

"explained away"?

[Anonymous Coward]

No. It hasn't gone anywhere. It's still there.

It's just been explained.

Let's ignore reality!

[Anonymous Coward]

A VAST number of women are scary terrible oblivious drivers...

And there's no brake pedal in the back seat.

Overgeneralize

[Anonymous Coward]

Just because it's true in this situation, doesn't make it true in others.

Re:Overgeneralize

[uvajed_ekil]

Just because it's true in this situation, doesn't make it true in others.

There was a farmer had a dog...
Of course we'll never convince sexists that this does not negate an unjustified gender gap in many other areas.

Re:Overgeneralize

[Cederic]

Who are these sexists that support an unjustified gender gap?

Most of us are wandering around trying to see where the fuck this supposed gender gap actually is.

fixed that for you...

[SchroedingersCat]

Female Uber Drivers EARN Less Than Men, Says Study

Re:fixed that for you...

[Anonymous Coward]

Female Uber Drivers Don't Work As Hard As Men, Says Study

less deceptive

[Anonymous Coward]

How about the corrected headline: "Female Uber drivers work less than men says study"?

Re:Are we different: We both powder our nose

[rmdingler]

Apparently not, given the number of people here who don't believe in gender dysphoria. That would require acknowledging that there are more than the obvious physical differences between men and women.

Ever watch a lot of Football? European or the American variety... it plays the same. I give you, the the makeup call. Sometimes, official calls are muffed due to the inherent imperfections of the human referees. When the call is appreciably unfair, the human refs remember and there's a makeup call a comin'. You'll also see this when one team's player maliciously fouls an opponent and stands over him briefly in impolite, rather demeaning, celebration.

The women, finally, are getting their makeup call. As long as the window of advantage is limited fairly, I'm cool with it. Just remember, like the player who lingers over his vanquished opponent a smidge too long, there is a shelf life before it begins to stink.

Equal opportunity doesn't lead to equal outcome...

[Anonymous Coward]

So this isn't at all surprising. Don't expect to have equal outcome if you don't operate your uber operation the same way.

court argument

[Anonymous Coward]

> that will expand to provide a court argument for any sexist [...] claiming that the data should not be used as evidence

So you're saying this study will be rejected by feminists ?

Working harder, having more expierence, and...

[greenwow]

accepting less desirable routes shouldn't earn you more. This is how men earn more in general by staying on the job for more years and working more hours a week.

Re:Working harder, having more expierence, and...

[Anonymous Coward]

This. Women can't typically work as contiguous on the same job due to pregnancies and have to work much fewer hours because they have to take care of children. It isn't fair that they get paid less for less work.

Re:Working harder, having more expierence, and...

[Anonymous Coward]

This. Women can't typically work as contiguous on the same job due to pregnancies and have to work much fewer hours because they have to take care of children. It isn't fair that they get paid less for less work.

This is like saying "it isn't fair that men can't also experience pregnancy, can't know how it feels to be mothers, what a great and unique experience they're missing out on, how would you ever put a dollar value on THAT?!". Biology is something none of us can control.

Females also tend to drive safer.

[Narcocide]

It's an artifact of cultural influence, and it is not news. Insurance companies have known this for decades.

Re:Females also tend to drive safer.

[intertrode]

It is an artifact of biological influence (testosterone). That is why insurance rates rise and fall with average male testosterone levels.

Re:Females also tend to drive safer.

[Anonymous Coward]

They actually don't. Women have more accidents despite driving less than men; men just have more severe accidents.

This surprises the OP?

[Anonymous Coward]

And it isn't as though any uber driver is garnering a fortune or fair emplyment conditions. They will be THRILLED the if the day ever comes that they can jettison ALL human drivers. This smells of millennial. The forest is there, but the pesky trees are getting your way, as usual. There is a whole world beyond the two foot radius of whatever screen you are looking at.

boo hoo

[Hugh Jorgen]

Enough of this inequality bullshit, drive the same hours and same routes, no more wage gap. STFU already.

Re:How many of Slashdot's editors are women?

[Anonymous Coward]

How many of Slashdot's editors are women?

Although information about the editors here is limited, from what I can tell the number is probably close to zero, if it isn't actually zero.

It reminds me of the Rust programming language's community. That community is predominantly made up of effeminate white males in their 20s, yet they still feel the need to brag about how "diverse" their extremely homogeneous community supposedly is, and they lecture everybody else about how important "tolerance" and "inclusion" are.

I really don't care one way or the other about the gossipy minutia and the personal lives of the Rust community. I care about whether Rust is a useful and cost-effective solution to a progamming problem.

Do you really care about this sort of trivia? If so, you are extremely small-minded, making you the apparent target audience. Do you read tabloids to learn about celebrity divorces, too? Effeminate males are used for PR points because they're non-threatening and are unlikely to rock the boat. But that would be ... ... PR. It has no place in an objective evaluation of a logic-based system such as a programming language. If it's a good programming language that neatly meets my needs, I really don't care if the other users are a third gender who have purple skin with green polka-dots. If it does not meet my needs, it's time to move on to something that might.

blow jobs?

[Anonymous Coward]

I mean, where there's a will there is a way. Am I right? Blowy?

OHNOEZ! UBER IZ SEKSYST?

[Chas]

Waiting for some mouth-breathing drool-fountain to start claiming gender wage gap and sexism.

Nothing new

[Anonymous Coward]

Gender wage gap doesn't exist, the term itself is a misnomer and a scam.
The truth is that there exists a Priority Wage Gap, where 18% of what-have-you ends up in the hands of our wives, daughters, mothers, etc.
In other words the wage gap is redistributing the money from the hands of irrelevant women who don't love us and don't care about us (and even better if it's from the women who hates us like feminists) into the hands of women related to us who do loves us and care about us.
So the gender wage gap is a scam and a fallacy. It's just preferable women getting the money over some random hoes.

Re:A Problem

[Anonymous Coward]

Good, let the niqqers self discriminate themselves out of a community. Sounds like a place I'd like to live. where do i sign up?

Work the same as men, get paid the same. DUH!

[Anonymous Coward]

After all these years of hearing about 'discrimination' in pay, we finally have 'proof positive' that any pay gap isn't 'gender discrimination' but 'gender CHOICE'. If people want to get paid the same...work the same. How is that obvious & self-evident conclusion so hard to f'n grasp.

Correction to the clickbait title

[bjdevil66]

Female Uber Drivers Get Paid Less Than Men - Mostly Because They Drive Slower

Men drive faster and get more fares in over the same timeframe, making roughly 3.5% more cash. (The other 3.5% is postulated to be a combination of more work experience due to higher female job attrition, and women working at less profitable times.)

It has nothing to do with a battle of the sexes going on - no matter how inflammatory it can be for some to speculate about.

Re:Correction to the clickbait title

[Mal-2]

I would be willing to guess that the men also consume more fuel per mile, because they drive faster. Since traffic is the same whether you drive aggressively or not, this probably means they accelerate faster and weave through traffic more. The extra fuel use should show up in their expenses although it does not show up in their gross pay.

Re:A Problem

[grasshoppa]

Equality does not mean "equal outcomes", it means "equal opportunities". Results should never be taken as confirmation of bias, but rather as a starting point to ask "Why?".

This situation is a great bite-sized example of the wage gap, which itself is explained largely through personal choice.

All teh wurst jokez

[Anonymous Coward]

The main problem here: Uber hires women drivers.
At least there are no Asian Uber drivers.
Uber has to hire women to drive, since they don't have kitchens yet.
Are ladydrivers allowed to bring their babies along?
Uber should have an interface with Tinder, so you don't have to leave the Uber app to ask your girl driver out.
When blonde drivers cancel rides because they can't find the address, how do they get the whiteout off their phones?
Do female drivers have to be soccer moms or did they start accepting VW Beetles, Fiat 500s and Mini Coopers?
If you ask a female Uber driver to change the radio station, is she required to start a fight about last time?
Do you need written permission to open a Ladyuber driver's door without being accused of assault?
If I get into an accident with a driverette, do I get a ticket for driving in the kitchen?
Do driveresses stop and ask for directions every 5 minutes?
Sweet, I always wanted an Uber driver who would bring me a sandwich and an open beer.
uber allows driving on sidewalks?
Uber's insurance must be skyrocketing.

Women probably choose not to drive terrible hours

[Anonymous Coward]

Or pick up random drunk men when the bars close.

I don't blame them.

Alternate theory

[Anonymous Coward]

The neoliberal^Wscientific theory as to why this happens is that cars are sexist hatewagons invented by the racist white male patriarchy and uber is literally the 3rd reich.

Re:Women probably choose not to drive terrible hou

[uvajed_ekil]

Or pick up random drunk men when the bars close.

I don't blame them.

I don't doubt that female and male Uber drivers might have different driving profiles. That's fine, but when I drove for Uber (briefly) that was how you made money in my area - ferrying drunks to and from bars. Otherwise it meant waiting a while between trips, sometimes quite a long time. Uber was new here at the time and demand during more reasonable times of day has certainly increased, but I'd guess 9pm - 2:30am is probably still the peak time anywhere there is a bar scene, at least.

If you don't want to drive at peak times, that's perfectly acceptable, but the days of the week and times of day need to be factored into any statistical analysis before drawing any conclusions about gender inequity with a company that allows workers to choose when, where and largely how they work. I'm not trying to be contrary or sexist at all, just hoping for good science and statistics.

Re:How many of Slashdot's editors are women?

[Etcetera]

Do you really care about this sort of trivia?

I really don't care about this sort of trivia. I hate that, much as spam drowns out the email you want to get, the blathering from the Rust community seems intent on making me have to care by flooding out the useful things with their social justice coding PR.

Re: how are we going to fix this problem?

[Anonymous Coward]

Simple: Urge your city council to vote to kick Uber and Lyft out of your city.

off the narrative

[Anonymous Coward]

Headline: men work harder, therefore get paid more. Rich feminazi GayBLT activists demand immediate criminal investigation.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the Prison Gap?

[Anonymous Coward]

Good to see honest statistics about the pay gap.

Interestingly there is an 800% prison gap. That is there are 9 times more men in prison than women. And when convicted of the same crime, men are sentenced 60% longer.

This is proof that those who scream for "equality" between the sexes don't actually care about it. If they did, they would look for equality where it matters most - the courtroom.

Misleading title

[goranb]

They get payed the same, but choose to work less...

Re:Misleading title

[ruir]

Modding someone down for stating the truth is not nice.

Re:Misleading title

[sound vision]

If they got paid the same, but worked less, they would be getting a higher pay-per-hour. The title means exactly what it says. Saying it's misleading sounds like either being deliberately obtuse, or ignoring the details, which are spelled out nicely in the summary - which wouldn't fit in the headline.

Re:Women probably choose not to drive terrible hou

[ruir]

There is actually a problem there, if I get a Uber driver at those times he will tell me he has been driving for 10-12 hours.

Misleading conclusion

[Anonymous Coward]

Women also aren't taking as many risks as men. They aren't working over night or speeding. Because Uber's customers aren't paying for safety and comfort, driving the speed limit is less favorable versus going 10mph over. Getting robbed late at night is a real risk that men face, often consciously. Women who aren't willing (or able) to take these risks are going to earn less. It's not fair or right but it's also not surprising.

True facts

[Anonymous Coward]

Our patriarchy is not likely to rape a loan male driver late at night. But females get raped every day in every city. Women are well aware of the additional risks they face, and are going to avoid situations where rape seems more likely to them. This costs them real money with Uber.

Re: How many of Slashdot's editors are women?

[Anonymous Coward]

It does matter.

I won't risk the future of my business (and those who rely on me to pay their bills and feed their families) on decisions made by illogical and deeply emotionally unstable people.

The code might be great until they get pissy and do something stupid like kick out a great contributor because his private consensual sexual activities don't align with the politically correct safe space sensitivities of some other developers.

But that could never happen, right?

Paid for quantifiable performance

[RogueWarrior65]

This illustrates quite clearly that one can't measure performance unless it's quantifiable. The blanket statement that women make less than men because of sexism isn't quantifiable. Performance on jobs like driving for Uber or producing physical products is easy to measure. How many widgets did you make? How many miles did you drive? Most jobs aren't like that. Two graphic artists can't be measured against each other regardless of the gender of the artist because they don't work on the same project and with the same team of marketing flakes. Some team members may be more demanding than others and some projects may be more complex than others. Ergo, you have to resort to more subjective means to evaluate performance.

The Google Engineer ...

[Anonymous Coward]

... suing for wrongful termination should be able to add another zero to his settlement.

Onward social justice warriors, marching as to war
With the cross of self-victimization going on before
Arrogance, the royal master, leads against the foe
Forward into battle, see our tyranny grow!

Semantics

[Anonymous Coward]

There is a small difference between "making" and "being paid". Men are "making" more than women, but being paid the same.

Re: How many of Slashdot's editors are women?

[Anonymous Coward]

Rust is for faggots. Done

SOLUTION

[PortHaven]

FORCE WOMEN TO WORK EQUALLY...

I mean, my ex-wife is taking $2,000/month. By choosing to work part-time, she gains herself more free money.

No more stay at home moms, make them work.

Or the child support gap...

[PortHaven]

Or the fact, that even when a father receives primary custody, or makes less than the mother. Mothers are often assigned lower child support payments for equivalent wages. Furthermore, mother's are less likely to pay their support obligations than fathers.

This is good data

[adfraggs]

It's a really good example of a wage gap with a good breakdown of how that gap occurs. What you make of that is another discussion, but at least there is now some robust data to fuel that discussion.

Re:Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the Prison G

[adfraggs]

It's fairly obvious that people fighting for these kinds of issues are focused on some specific group or another. It's beside the point to get uptight because they might use the word "equality". That reduces it to some petty argument over semantics when I think we can mostly all admit that each of us is focused on helping ourselves and whatever groups we identify with. The important issues are the ones that highlight a genuine inequality, and the sentencing and incarceration rates for men are a genuine inequality. That isn't going to get addressed by heckling feminists and complaining that they're not universally addressing every possible instance of gender inequality in the world. If you think something should be done, get on it yourself. It's taken women 100s of years of activism to get to where they are today, it's not necessarily going to be any easier for men to get the same results.

Really depends on your work attitude

[Anonymous Coward]

Definitely, there isn't any error in UBER system, you can earn more if you get more rides, you get more rides when you are on the road. and may be percentage women drivers is far less then men. so, i think that is one of the reasons