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YouTube's New Moderators Mistakenly Pull Right-Wing Channels (bloomberg.com)

In December, said it would assign more than 10,000 people to moderate content in an attempt to curb its child exploitation problem. Today, Bloomberg reports that those new moderators mistakenly removed several videos and some channels from right-wing, pro-gun video producers and outlets in the midst of a nationwide debate on gun control. From the report: Some YouTube channels recently complained about their accounts being pulled entirely. On Wednesday, the Outline highlighted accounts, including Titus Frost, that were banned from the video site. Frost tweeted on Wednesday that a survivor of the shooting, David Hogg, is an actor. Jerome Corsi of right-wing conspiracy website Infowars said on Tuesday that YouTube had taken down one of his videos and disabled his live stream. Shutting entire channels would have marked a sweeping policy change for YouTube, which typically only removes channels in extreme circumstances and focuses most disciplinary action on specific videos. But YouTube said some content was taken down by mistake. The site didn't address specific cases and it's unclear if it meant to take action on the accounts of Frost and Corsi. "As we work to hire rapidly and ramp up our policy enforcement teams throughout 2018, newer members may misapply some of our policies resulting in mistaken removals," a YouTube spokeswoman wrote in an email. "We're continuing to enforce our existing policies regarding harmful and dangerous content, they have not changed. We'll reinstate any videos that were removed in error."

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  1. They weren't mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    About pulling right-wing channels. Just mistaken about which ones.

    1. Re:They weren't mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Youtube pulled a lot of the top airgun channels (more than 20), whith hundreds of thousands of followers.
      Are airguns now evil? So that the people who plink paper targets at 25 or 50 yards are evil?

      Robert Kyncl of Youtube: Please Help Save Our Community

      URGENT APPEAL - Hoping Its Being Sorted. But Won't Remove Just In Case

      YouTube - PLEASE HELP SAVE OUR COMMUNITY

      Are Gun Channels in Jeopardy?

    2. Re: They weren't mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you completely crazy? You act like the airguns are like powder burners. Maybe yo want to confiscate the paintball guns also?
        And you talk about disarming the people so the government will make swat teams go away? Yo are stupid.

    3. Re: They weren't mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, if there were zero guns there would be zero shootings, but that's impossible to achieve at this point. A gun ban ("buy back") wouldn't remove all guns, and hard criminals would snuggle in illegal guns from out of the country; this robs the 99.99% of Americans who are lawfull gun owners the ability to defend themselves when law enforcement are unable, or as we saw recently (to the best of my knowledge as if this post), unwilling to help.

      Removing guns will not work and we need a different solution to solve the horrible issue of mass shootings. What that solution is, I'm not sure, but I do know that removing rights isn't the way to do it.

    4. Re: They weren't mistaken by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      and hard criminals would snuggle in illegal guns from out of the country

      I've heard of gun lovers but snuggling with their guns sounds a little extreme. Exactly how hard are these criminals?

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    5. Re: They weren't mistaken by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Exactly how hard are these criminals?

      The exact answer to that depends on whether or not they're snuggling their guns at the time.

  2. (TM) by TPIRman · · Score: 1

    YouTube certainly trademarked the hell out of that email.

  3. Stop utilizing 3rd parties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, just goto no ip dot com, setup your own website, point it at a tiny 35 dollar raspberry pi, then stream YOUR videos to YOUR hearts content.

    If you guys want to stop being the butt rape fun time of corporations then just stop being it. It is not hard, it is not expensive, and it is not difficult.

    You just want to show off your silly shit to the world in a way the other sheeple are doing so that your a special snowflake like the other 10 trillion special snowflakes, just stop for gods sakes. Have dignity ownership and responsibility.

    It boggles the mind just how absurd all of this is, people are utilizing these services to the point where they imagine using these things isn't just a right but a necessity.

    I cannot even....jesus wept...fucking hell...

    1. Re: Stop utilizing 3rd parties by hobbes75 · · Score: 1

      I kind of agree with your message, but it seems you underestimate the bandwidth requirements of video streaming.

    2. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      That's the genius of the plan!
      If only you pay yourself, you don't have to report it...
      Warning, revenue projections can be REALLY flat.

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    3. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      You can do that, but you'll get a fraction of the audience. Youtube is more than just a place to store videos - it's also a place people find them.

    4. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by ckatko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which is FUCKING HILARIOUS.

      Because someone DID JUST THAT.

      Voat.

      And you know what happened? They got DDoS'd for weeks (if not months). And when THAT didn't stop it? They posted child porn, and then called their ISP and said "Look, you're hosting a child porn website."

      Yeah. All of those people who say "Start your own" are straight up liars. They don't want you to move... they want to "deplatform" you. A literal term, coined by the left. Once the PLATFORM changes? _They go after the next platform._

      They don't even hide it anymore. Look at this one. Where they want their readers to harass any company that supports the NRA, and keep a constant update of who is still holding out, and who has collapsed:

      https://thinkprogress.org/corp...

    5. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or look at Daily Stormer. They had their own website and it was pulled. They got another website and that was pulled. Their domain name has been seized.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Now I don't like Andrew Anglin one bit but the argument 'if you don't like how Google run their platform, get your own' is dishonest. If all the tech companies discriminate in the same way what you've got is something much more analogous to the pre civil rights era were all businesses in an area refused to serve black people than a normal free market where you can always get service somewhere.

      Now historically there's certain amount of irony here. Andrew Anglin is a white supremacist who'd have supported the right of all businesses in an area to discriminate against a race to the point that race could not get service. However he opposes that happening to him. Meanwhile the left now claims to have always opposed discrimination on the grounds of race. That's not quite accurate though - the KKK was a Democrat organisation opposed by the Republicans.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods. Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement promoting resistance and white supremacy during the Reconstruction Era. For example, Confederate veteran John W. Morton founded a chapter in Nashville, Tennessee. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans. In 1870 and 1871, the federal government passed the Enforcement Acts, which were intended to prosecute and suppress Klan crimes.

      The first Klan had mixed results in terms of achieving its objectives. It seriously weakened the black political establishment through its use of assassinations and threats of violence; it drove some people out of politics. On the other hand, it caused a sharp backlash, with passage of federal laws that historian Eric Foner says were a success in terms of "restoring order, reinvigorating the morale of Southern Republicans, and enabling blacks to exercise their rights as citizens". Historian George C. Rable argues that the Klan was a political failure and therefore was discarded by the Democratic leaders of the South. He says:

      the Klan declined in strength in part because of internal weaknesses; its lack of central organization and the failure of its leaders to control criminal elements and sadists. More fundamentally, it declined because it failed to achieve its central objective -- the overthrow of Republican state governments in the South.

      After the Klan was suppressed, similar insurgent paramilitary groups arose that were explicitly directed at suppressing Republican voting and turning Republicans out of office: the White League, which started in Louisiana in 1874; and the Red Shirts, which started in Mississippi and developed chapters in the Carolinas. For instance, the Red Shirts are credited with helping elect Wade Hampton as governor in South Carolina. They were described as acting as the military arm of the Democratic Party and are attributed with helping white Democrats regain control of state legislatures throughout the South. In addition, there were thousands of Confederate veterans in what were called rifle clubs.

      Jim Crow laws were a response to the Republican imposed reconstruction era regime.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States. Enacted by white Democratic-dominated state legisl

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    6. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Why is this marked Troll?
      A lot of Silicon Valley companies have convinced themselves that they run some sort of civic space where all "viewpoints" must be tolerated long past the point where cops in a public square would have been busting heads.
      It's a private company in an unregulated market. None of your tax dollars go to it, your First Amendment rights do not trump their own, and alternatives to them are available. It's their right and in their interests to maintain a proper signal-to-noise ratio. Believe it or not, people stop visiting web sites when they begin to resemble landfills, so it's in the site's interest to purge you if you upload horseshit.
      If you don't like Twitter, move to Gab- a site where I would naturally expect to get kicked off. If Youtube deletes your video, upload it somewhere else. If you don't like it, deprive it of your content and see if anyone cares enough to follow you.

    7. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      It is not hard, it is not expensive, and it is not difficult.

      Yes and no. If you have the skill set and resources (i.e. high bandwidth) then having your own video site is great. I admit I have a youtube channel for my videos because I don't have the skill to build a site to host videos, a friend worked on setting up a site to have videos (tons of work, constantly being jerked around on bandwidth and storage space) and with low viewership it wasn't worth it. Some of my youtube videos have 10,000 views, others about 20. I was given opportunity to get money per view (I declined since these are either for non-profit activities or clips from favorite movies), I didn't miss much when YT demonetized most people.

      I have had some videos taken down because music track in background, I found it interesting it was done by some oddball outfit that somehow gets ownership to manage music tracks. But few months later it reappears. I must have some boring videos because I haven't been caught up in all these takedown raids that have been going on the past year.

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    8. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by Samurai+Nigel · · Score: 1

      I wish I had the mod points today to upvote the shit out of this.

      Bravo, sir.

    9. Re:Stop utilizing 3rd parties by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Well we both got modded down, so I guess it's one of those days.

  4. Whoops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't possibly imagine how that happened!

  5. Incompetence by rossz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

    However, this isn't the first time youtube has screwed up like this.

    Why the hell are they allowing obviously untrained people the power to wipe out entire channels on a whim?

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    1. Re:Incompetence by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the hell are they allowing obviously untrained people the power to wipe out entire channels on a whim?

      No one said "on a whim" but, from the summary, there are more than 10,000 people newly assigned to moderate. Are you seriously expecting them to all be experts who never make mistakes? Since the videos/channels were reinstated, it looks like they've implemented some sort of review or appeals process. This is an improvement over how things used to be.

      It doesn't even sound like much of a mistake, the article says that the mentioned channels were pretty much all conspiracy theorist / fake news people. It's just a couple of videos that Youtube reinstated.

    2. Re:Incompetence by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you really say that firearms are not a problem for children in the US?

      Not NEARLY as much of a problem (in terms of injuries and deaths) as, say, cars. So why do we have YouTube wiping out channels that demonstrate things like safe gun handling at the range, while leaving up channels that highlight reckless driving? Because the people doing it are doing it for political reasons, period.

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    3. Re:Incompetence by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why the hell are they allowing obviously untrained people the power to wipe out entire channels on a whim?

      Who the Hell would apply for a job as a YouTube political correctness moderator anyway? Well, folks who can't argue their political standpoints, and must resort to censorship, when the intellectual backing of their own convictions fail, and silencing their opponent by force is their only option.

      It's just not a real job.

      If anything should be eliminated by AI and automation, it's this. Removing human bias from the system would silence critics on both sides of the political spectrum.

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    4. Re:Incompetence by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

      Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

      You have that completely backwards in the context of government and big business.

      Ignore context and history

      Everything is okay, mistakes happen, don't try to find out why, just stop complaining

      Who cares, they were nut jobs, we did nature a favor by euthanizing their discourse, trust me, I'm GOD, I'm right, but don't ask me to describe my philosophy or reasoning, you are a but a simple mortal

      It's their private property they can do what they want, it's irrelevant that the platform is a public place

      Rules are rules

      The Shire needs to be scoured.

    5. Re:Incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Mistakenly" yeah right

    6. Re:Incompetence by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can you really say that firearms are not a problem for children in the US?

      Yes. While homocide is the 2nd leading cause of death for 15-24 yr olds, 3/4ths of that is gang violence, so they are partially responsible for their own homocide by choosing to become involved with a gang. And number of homocide deaths is almost tied with number of suicide deaths, which means teens and equality as likely to choose suicide as they are likely to be killed.

      Either way we are talking about a few thousand a year compared to tens of millions of children so I can honestly say yes, firearms are not a problem.

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    7. Re:Incompetence by eclectro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Repeated instances of "incompetence" start to form a trend-line towards malice. The number of right wing/conservative demonetization, strikes, deletions, limited state, and channel termination is becoming vast. All the while ignoring channels on the left.

      Currently, all the redpill/MGTOW channels have been hit hard with many channels being outright terminated and not returning evidently.

      Youtube has brought forth a heavy hand, and it's not a question of how much incompetence there is, but a question of how much they can get away with at any one time.

      Here's what Pat Condell had to say about the recent spat of censorship.

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    8. Re:Incompetence by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nah, whats 17 dead kids compared to your right to be a fucking moron with a gun.

      You're right, what's 17 dead kids compared to our right to bear arms? Nothing. The right to bear arms is more important than a few lives.

      Besides, if we ban guns it would just be easier to get them. Drugs are ban and I can get illegal drugs much easier than getting a doctor's prescription.

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    9. Re:Incompetence by execthis · · Score: 2

      My guess is the 10,000 people are in somewhere like India or the Philippines. (More great Silicon Valley goodness.)

      It's unrealistic to expect people from many parts of the world to comprehend much less uphold basic freedoms which are implicitly understood and taken for granted in Western European countries.

      It's one thing to have them attempt to handle your customer support call, another when they're entrusted with responsibility over something which is lacking in their own culture.

    10. Re:Incompetence by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      a big bunch of hobby channels got removed.

      they were just removing stuff because their job is removing stuff, pretty much. I reckon they had put them on a quota.

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    11. Re:Incompetence by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Who the Hell would apply for a job as a YouTube political correctness moderator anyway?

      People who like money?

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    12. Re:Incompetence by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      Are the numbers for heterocide similar?

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    13. Re:Incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Attribute to malice:

      http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/

    14. Re:Incompetence by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      obviously untrained

      There is a staggeringly huge gap between an "obviously untrained" employee, and what you seem to be after: the "theoretically perfect" employee. Key part there is the theoretical. This is a process where humans judge. They will never be perfect, and mistakes do not make them "obviously untrained".

    15. Re:Incompetence by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Currently, all the redpill/MGTOW channels have been hit hard with many channels being outright terminated and not returning evidently.

      The dumb thing is that most people in my experience don't find MGTOW/Red Pill a particular compelling viewpoint - they've always seemed to me to be a mirror of the radical feminists and just as bonkers. Both groups are telling young people not to have long term relationships with the opposite sex, and that comes across as something you believe before you've had any good relationships and quietly discard later.

      Still ban them and it seems like they'll acquire a cachet that they wouldn't have acquired from their arguments. Now I don't think more people becoming MGTOW, Red Pill or radical feminists is going to lead to the death of civilisation but it certainly won't help with society polarising into left and right. Which is an issue.

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    16. Re:Incompetence by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What about all the left leaning channels that were hit with flagging, de-monetization, removals and bans?

      How can you say that YouTube ignored left leaning channels when so many of them were hit hard by the AI ban-hammer?

      Meanwhile YouTube is dominated by far right redpill/alt-right/anti-feminist channels. People like Sargon, Armoured Skeptic, Bearing, TL;DR, The Golden One, Paul Joseph Watson... How many interviews with Richard Spencer are up there? Interviewing a self-proclaimed Nazi seems to be the latest fad.

      And in all the outrage over these latest bans, the fact that YouTube said they were a mistake and reversed them seems to have been ignored.

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    17. Re:Incompetence by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously expecting them to all be experts who never make mistakes?

      Oh, so the problem is with MY expectations, of course THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING, they couldn't have just let free discourse take shape, that's crazy.

      pretty much all conspiracy theorist / fake news people

      Oh good, just as long as it's PRETTY MUCH just everyone Google doesn't like for only the reason they CLAIMED, I guess I should place more trust in them and give them a longer leash before I object!

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      Humans who buy the authoritarian bullshit vs. real people. Pick your side, only one can win.

    18. Re:Incompetence by mentil · · Score: 2

      Not everyone killed by a gangbanger is another gang member. Gang members tend to be poor shots, and kill innocent bystanders regularly. Bullets go through walls and hit people, etc., drive-bys hit everyone in the vicinity, so just being near a gang member (maybe a relative) is enough to get you killed. Wear the wrong color clothes and you can be mistaken for being a member of a gang that has those as their identifying colors. Gang initiations sometimes involve killing a stranger, or so the rumor goes at least.

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    19. Re:Incompetence by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Funny how the "mistakes" all go one way.

      Funny how it is always conservatives, even very moderate conservatives, who get demonetized and/or censored.

    20. Re:Incompetence by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

      However, this isn't the first time youtube has screwed up like this.

      Why the hell are they allowing obviously untrained people the power to wipe out entire channels on a whim?

      Since YT announced ahead of time it's intention to hire moderators, it's quite possible that individuals with an agenda applied and deliberately mislead YT HR as to their impartiality, and/or political activist groups sent people to apply to fill these positions with similar intent to advance their political agendas and suppress opposing viewpoints and voices.

      Strat

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    21. Re:Incompetence by pots · · Score: 1

      The article doesn't say anything about their degree of partisanship, they could be moderates or extremists, it only talks about the conspiracy theories that they were promoting. If some of them were moderates, you should see that as a good sign - it shows that they were not banned for their politics, but rather for their deception.

    22. Re:Incompetence by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Who is good girlfriend? I know there are a few anti-feminist women on YouTube, but they are mostly harmless.

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    23. Re:Incompetence by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      You gotta look at the whole cost-benefit, not just the cost.
      Cars are one of the costliest things in society in terms of mortality, pollution, and rage. But they also provide the big benefit of getting you around.
      The cost of guns is a lot of gun deaths. What is the benefit of guns? Resisting oppressive government? How big is that benefit, really? Are we at a point where we really need that?

    24. Re:Incompetence by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1

      so legalize drugs and solve that problem.

    25. Re:Incompetence by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      Liberal, Liberal, Liberal

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  6. Really? by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mistakenly?

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    1. Re:Really? by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm not buying it.

  7. Re: Meanwhile, on lying CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Aren't you late for a Bund meeting?

  8. Re: Meanwhile, on lying CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, you libturds still fail to read between the lines. When will you migrate to Canada as you pledged before Hillary lost?

  9. They shut down channels by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    promoting the conspiracy theory that the kids caught up in the last school shooting were "crisis actors" and that the shooting was a "false flag" (e.g. it never really happened).

    Personally if I were Youtube I wouldn't want to be associated with those kind of nut jobs (if they believe it) or bastards (if they don't believe it and are just passing it around to get a rise out of the nut jobs). Remember kiddies, it's not censorship if the government didn't do it. You have a right to speak, you do not have a right to make google pay for your megaphone.

    Meanwhile Youtube continue to de-rank left wing media in favor of corporate media (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc).

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    1. Re:They shut down channels by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course it's censorship. It's not legally-mandated censorship, so one could consider it self-censorship on the part of YouTube, being that it owns the series of tubes here. But it's still censorship.

      I find it odd how people will go to the argument that it's only censorship if the government does it. Is it also not illegal search and search and seizure if your neighbor or business partner, who is not the government, breaks in your door and rummages through your stuff to collect evidence?

      Governments exist to secure people's rights. Against attacks by other people. And other governments. And since someone has to watch the watcher, we specifically enumerate the rights the government cannot violate in pursuit of that purpose.

      Read your Declaration. The right to free speech isn't only the right against government censorship; it is a Natural Right that you have by virtue of sucking down oxygen. The government is there to make sure no one takes it from you. That includes other private actors to whom you have not ceded it. YouTube's community guidelines do not constitute an agreement to relinquish the right to make right-wing statements. If YouTube is treating it as such, that would be a breach of contract between customer and service provider.

      I'll add one more thing. Again: if you don't want the government censoring you, then you've got to model respect for freedom of expression in the wider culture. Because government doesn't perpetuate itself. This is a democracy. The impressionable people watching you now (aka children) will be tomorrow's legislators and prosecutors. Not a good idea to give them the idea that free speech is not sacrosanct.

    2. Re:They shut down channels by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

      it's not censorship if the government didn't do it

      This is so incredibly stupid I wonder if you're trolling. It's still censorship. The actions are the same. The actor does not define the action. Maybe in you insane leftist sub-"reality" where double standards are the fundamental.

      Google is essentially creating a state within a state and usurping the authority of congress. Aside from the fact they are owned and operated in great part by federal agencies, but hey, that's a "conspiracy theory"[1].

      They operate a public space. The constitution applies, or would, if the United States of America was still a country. But it's constitution has been repealed by the authorities who are supposed to enforce it - the general public especially.

      But the fact remains, it's on paper, it's still in the same place as it was to begin with, and violating its provisions still makes the actor self-contradictory and malicious, due the same justice.

      [1] - https://wikileaks.org/google-i...

    3. Re:They shut down channels by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      AC that really depends on the US state. Opening a forum for public and political discussion that anyone can walk into and join may not always keep enjoying that ToS "is not the government" cover.
      The key in some states is what is private but still regularly held open to the public and what a state constitution says.
      i.e. what sites could be seen as "common areas".

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    4. Re:They shut down channels by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The problem is when nut jobs and bastards get an inside seat when deciding national policy. Remember lots of dictators around the world started as nut jobs and/or bastards. Idiots spreading misguided rumors have caused damage; we had someone showing up armed at a pizza parlor looking for hillary's pedo ring.

      We do not have to tolerate these people. We are already responsible, we just want the nut jobs and bastards to also be responsible. Do we stand by while others convince kids to eat Tide pods, or do we have a responsibility to tell them to shut up? Do we stand by while others claim over and over that Obama was not a US citizen (or McCain), or should we attempt to correct them?

      Infowars is an extremely dangerous source of information because so many powerful people are stupid enough to believe the fake news coming out of there. They're not a news service, they are a troll zoo. As responsible people we should encourage people to stop visiting them, and we should tell them to shut the hell up.

    5. Re:They shut down channels by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The first amendment to the US constitution:
      "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

      With regards to restricting free speech, the constitution only places restrictions on congress. The constitution does not apply to Youtube here.

    6. Re:They shut down channels by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Is it also not illegal search and search and seizure if your neighbor or business partner, who is not the government, breaks in your door and rummages through your stuff to collect evidence?

      No, it's not illegal search and seizure. It's theft, trespass and breaking and entering. Those are entirely different crimes.

      Read your Declaration. The right to free speech isn't only the right against government censorship; it is a Natural Right that you have by virtue of sucking down oxygen.

      Yeah, and you have that. See:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      Nowhere does it say "Congress shall pass a law so that whiny RightWingNutJob can have a megaphone provided freely by someone else".

      I mean for heaven's sake man, there are other video websites out there. You can even set up your own for free very easily and for little money. You know if you want to speak freely (and I mean actually speak), it's not censorship that Exxon won't pay your gas money when you get up off your lazy ass and drive to somewhere people can hear you.

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    7. Re:They shut down channels by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

      So what is your point? "Rules are rules?"

      Your total ignorance of the philosophy aside:
      You're missing the argument that Google is usurping the authority of congress and that Google is invested in and its operations are fundamentally guided by federal agencies, which are SUPPOSED to be the servants of congress.

    8. Re:They shut down channels by Z80a · · Score: 1

      This is the end result of the "big media" dropping the impartiality and taking a side, they basically killed all their credibility, which allowed the so called "fake news" to thrive.
      Now it's a terrible world where idiots like Alex Jones are in an equal ground to let's say CNN in terms of trustworthiness.

      The only way to get rid of it is to get rid of this politicization of the media, regain credibility and show the actual truth, even if the truth goes against their personal beliefs.
       

    9. Re:They shut down channels by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

      Basically you are falling into the side that wants to decide this issue with semantics instead of philosophy.
      Is that what you really want?

    10. Re:They shut down channels by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      In the news yesterday was the fact that US congress wants to hold web-page publishers (eg. YouTube, Facebook) responsible for the content of their subscribers: Internet censorship always existed and soon it will be mandatory in the USA.

      Whether censorship exists or not is irrelevant to whether it is a good idea or a bad idea.

      No, vigilance is the price of freedom: Specifically, treating fake news as fake. But in a post-truth society, anything is fake news.

      It means you can't sleep on your ass and expect your ideology to win by default. You have to work to build and maintain consensus not hide behind the states monopoly on violence (e.g. censorship) to get your way.

      Tolerance is the price of free speech: As always, rights are limited. Society cannot tolerate the phrases "someone should murder your children" or "someone should rape you"; contrary to what Twitter practices.

      Sure they can and they should.

      Fear is always what fuels pro-censorship foolishness. I'm afraid of lies winning out. I'm afraid of the other ideology taking over. I'm afraid of what I don't like. From that fear comes justifications of all manner to silence those saying disagreeable things because the fearful deem them harmful to society when in fact they are just too lazy or unable to pursuit the hard work of building consensus for their ideology.

      The problem with censorship is the ideology in power always gets to decide what is or is not agreeable and even what is true. This only leads to further aggregation of power and predictable outcomes expressed in universally understood lord Acton quotes.

      Much better for society to fight for what they believe, let the crackpots have their YouTube videos and tolerate belligerence than hide behind the use of violence to force people to conform to your will.

      The problem with the Internet and Media is commercial interests are placed above good governance and integrity. News organizations do not need to technically lie to mislead the public in order to profit. Internet sites don't need to hand out megaphones to everyone and pay them to use them. Censorship won't fix or change anything. It will only make matters worse.

      No, it is not the responsibility of children to know what is fake, which is what this article addresses.

      Yes of course learning how to judge the value of information is the responsibility of everyone from little kid to old geezer.

      Yes, you just found the flaw in democracy. It wasn't so troublesome in past centuries because politicians learnt to lead all of society, not just their socio-demographic clique. Or to put it another way, society has lost herd immunity

      A democracy? Like the Weimar republic? That's really what the world needs politicians leading all of society...screw that I would much rather see politicians at each others throats constantly fighting over scraps of power they wield with nobody gaining much ground.

      Despite the noise and nonsense peddled on the Internet all of the worlds societies are a heck of a lot better off and a heck of a lot healthier today than they have ever been at any point in human history.

      and one article of fake news can infect everyone with anti-social ideals.

      Spoken like a damn foolish coward who has never bothered to even try and understand nor learn from history.

  10. Interesting that almost everytime by oldgraybeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when Facebook, Twitter, etc creates a new policy to deal with troublesome speech. The first thing that happens is the Right is taken out big time ;)

    Then there is the oops, and the just a coincidence responses and over time some are brought back.

    What a bogus hoot ;)

    just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:Interesting that almost everytime by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      But in this case it was the left that was hit first. When it was just AI looking at videos a lot got de-monetized. Then the waves of false-flag attacks from 4chan started, and a lot of left leaning channels like Contrapoints and Kevin Logan got videos removed or even entire channels taken down.

      So YouTube started hiring human beings to review videos instead, and of course mistakes were made.

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  11. Re:First! by Use+Crisco+in+Sodomy · · Score: 1

    At least say something about how Google is the new Microshaft. "Do no evil"--LOL!

    They also banned the Moon Man videos as "hate speech." The time is ripe for someone to replace YouTube. Especially on top of the demonetization scam as of late.

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  12. Meanwhile, on Facebook by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Troll

    Facebook rolled out its new algorithm in January.

    Due to the algorithm, Trump's total engagement dropped by about half, while the engagements of left-wing people such as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren stayed largely the same.

    I don't mind healthy competition between political viewpoints, but why does "oops, we're having some trouble with the algorithm" always seem to be in favor of the left?

    1. Re:Meanwhile, on Facebook by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From looking, Sanders started at about 800K and ended up at about 300, about the same proportion as Trump.

      There's really no comparison, because Trump's numbers were so much higher to begin with. Maybe Trump just acquired more casual onlookers than the other candidates.

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  13. Re:Meanwhile, on lying CNN by thomst · · Score: 1, Troll

    PopeRatzo railed:

    Today, CNN was lying about President Trump saying that he wanted to confiscate guns without due process. More fake news. We all know our President would never ever say such a thing!

    The phony quote, if you can possibly believe it, was, "I like taking the guns early...Take the guns first. Go through due process second,” They even had some CGI version of President Trump speaking these words in a supposed meeting with members of congress.

    We're not going to fall for it, no sir. We're way to smart for that. YOU DON'T GET TO SLANDER OUR PRESIDENT THAT WAY, LIBS.

    Moderate parent +1 Funny, please ...

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  14. What a Day We're Havin' by Kunedog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We fired an engineer for being aware of basic biology and psychology, and we constantly curate the front page and trending vidlist to exclude viewpoints we don't like. Oh, and we also hired 10,000 thought police. How could this happen???" -Youtube

    1. Re:What a Day We're Havin' by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "simplstic".

      And so did I!

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    2. Re:What a Day We're Havin' by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      we constantly curate the front page and trending vidlist to exclude viewpoints we don't like

      Nope.

      The front page is by default full of popular but bland videos, determined by things like the ratio of up/down votes. If you create an account it starts to customize it for you. For example, I get both left leaning and some really extreme far right stuff recommended to me, because it knows I'm interested in politics and recommends both videos similar to the ones I've liked and counter-arguments/responses to those videos.

      If you have evidence of a conspiracy then post it, but since YouTube has also killed left leaning channels and de-monetized videos about things like make-up for trans folks it's hard to argue that there is any systemic bias.

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    3. Re:What a Day We're Havin' by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      His conclusion was basically "If we accept that women and men have differences in the environments they, on average, flourish best in, then perhaps we should provide different environments to different people!"

      Sure it's simplistic... but so is "water is wet" and that rule of thumb still got us pretty far.

      On the other hand, modern SJWs have to bend over backwards once or twice (a sight to see. It would be approproiate for variete!) to mold science to their worldview.

      I think Damore was on point with his basic premise. A LOT of today's work culture is not good for a lot of women AND a lot of men as well. If "People who feel good do better work and making people feel good takes a bit of investment" is too far a stretch for people to wrap their minds around, then I'm very sorry, you just don't deserve quality products to sell.

      Google has gotten too big for their britches and a certain amount of decline would do them well.

  15. Re: The mistake was going after Alex Jones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, you say that, but when Google controls the narrative and buys congresscritters, the difference between Google's censorship and federal censorship becomes meaningless.

  16. Funny by burtosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where do you draw the line when we also value freedom of speech? People like Alex jones are nucking futs but pulling down a channel like that only makes it worse by lending credibility and showing its worthy of attention. I completely disagree with nearly anything out of that mans mouth but banning him from YouTube is something I would not be ok with. If people can't tell reality from fiction then the problem is worse than the internet police can address.

    1. Re:Funny by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      but pulling down a channel like that only makes it worse by lending credibility and showing its worthy of attention.

      Just because I clean up a dogshit from my front yard doesn't mean that everyone suddenly feels like they wanted to have a sniff of it first. Alex Jones gets no more credibility by being removed from a platform that doesn't want him than he had before.

      What he does get is media attention, but certainly not credibility or any other "worth".

  17. They should have checked her resume. by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google should have given a quick glance at Lois Lerner's resume before hiring her to run their Department Of Capricious Silencing. Or, maybe they did!

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  18. Re:Meanwhile, on lying CNN by burtosis · · Score: 1

    Pop on over to Reddit where The Donald subreddit has gone nuts banning long time posters as the mods rage against anyone and everyone. It's a slugfest of deleted posts and reposts, gun nuts against conservative zealots, people calling trump obama, it's a grade A gilded shitstorm.

  19. Pretty accurate mistake by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTA:
    YouTube’s new moderators, brought in to spot fake, misleading and extreme videos, stumbled in one of their first major tests, mistakenly removing some clips and channels in the midst of a nationwide debate on gun control.

    [..]

    On Wednesday, the Outline highlighted accounts, including Titus Frost, that were banned from the video site. Frost tweeted on Wednesday that a survivor of the shooting, David Hogg, is an actor. Jerome Corsi of right-wing conspiracy website Infowars said on Tuesday that YouTube had taken down one of his videos and disabled his live stream.

    If Frost and Corsi don't qualify as fake, misleading, and extreme then those words have lost meaning.

    ps. Has anyone else noticed /. being slow and intermittent the last few days? I wonder if they're on the receiving of a DDOS or something.

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    1. Re:Pretty accurate mistake by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      ps. Has anyone else noticed /. being slow and intermittent the last few days? I wonder if they're on the receiving of a DDOS or something.

      Yep. I got 503s last night when I tried to log in.

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  20. Re:Serious question by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

    At some point, pornhub is going to have this problem too. They've already got a movie pirating problem.

    I'm nearly falling out of my chair right now laughing as I type this: behold the newest porn genre: Right-Wing Porn! It can't be transphobic or homophobic or islamophobic if the actor/actress of the necessary background is the one telling you to build the wall, keep a lid on refugees from backward countries, and respect the Bill of Rights.

  21. Re: Meanwhile, on lying CNN by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    According to Fox News Trump actually said this.

    In that case, Trump didn't really mean it because he was actually playing 12-dimensional chess and owning the libs.

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  22. Re:BeauHD, Did you post from a bus? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

    That would make sense. Seems like they scraped up the editors at a bus station.

  23. Because car were not constructed to kill by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And you need a permit to operate a car. Look there are many many reason all those car/cooking knife (or heck swimming pool) comparison to gun death are utterly stupid. For one we have accepted that some objects have a primary useful activity which the general public enjoy making our capitalist societies better : transportation (car) cooking/preparing/cutting (knife) and entertainment (swimming pool). When accident do happen we try as a society to make up new law enforcing certain protection or minimum standard to help increase security lower death count, e.g. seat belt, e.g. baby seat placement instruction on car seat. Killing is at best a bar far secondary objective of such items (combat knife) or even never the objective (car, pool). But with gun it is different. The primary reason of the guns, is that they were invented to kill more efficiently. Forget the BS about sport , that did not happen in the 18th century for your average person in the US, at the time of the framing of the second amendment. And yet contrary to car, you don't have anywhere near the regulation for an instrument made up primary to kill. You don't even have nearly the same training, and you have not even the same follow up on ownership.

    Every attempt at having a minimum , heck like car tracking ownership or having non discriminatory permit/training is met by a "they want to get uuuuur guuuunns" lobby of the NRA which says "no" to EVERYTHING. As long as you let those fuckers block everything with a "no", even something as simple as allowing : 1) tracking ownership electronically 2) enforce having a real training with permit like a car (that does not infringe the general population right of ownership IMO if it stops you getting one because you are too fucked up to pass the permit, as long as the exams is not the stupid 4h training the NRA offer anybody can pass with the finger in the nose) 3) allow again the CDC to study gun violence and/or solution , then the situation will get fucked up. Look up the statistics : while gun violence dropped in the last 3 decades, mass shooting actually rose. Sharply. That should tell you something right there.

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    1. Re: Because car were not constructed to kill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are not understanding that your beliefs are bases on emotion not logic. You say cars have a useful purpose. So do guns. However, just as You could eliminate guns and have a functioning society, you could also eliminate all cars and have a perfectly functioning society through the use of bicycles. That society would be much healthier and happier. You could keep the roads open and have lanes dedicated towards ambulances and semi trucks. If you give up your car, I will give up my gun. Guns serve a function in society, mainly hunting and shooting people you do not like. If we got rid of guns it would in some ways be befificial because it would force people to pay attention to woefully neglected sword fighting skills. It would be really cool to see people fighting each other with swords everyday. So I really think you have something there. If you really feel strongly about stopping gun violence I will support you but only if you give up your car. I want to see thousands of people riding to work everyday with swords strapped to their backs. If you refuse to give up your car I will keep my gun and we can engage in gun play on Americas highways.

      Evolution is a process whereby, through natural selection and predation, nature creates better and better killing machines. Some people are just not happy living in the modern world and want to return to a more innocent time when we rode bicycles and killed each other with swords or big rocks. I am saying you are not wrong. I share a bit of your nostalgia, and would be will to try living in your quaint little world for a while. E.g a world without guns

    2. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by andydread · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Driving a car is a privilege not a right and certainly not a constitutional right. Constitutional rights should not be infringed...Period. If you want to infringe on someone's constitutional right whether it's the 1st or 2nd amendment or any other right enshrined by the constitution then change the constitution. Also cooking or using a swimming pool are not constitutional rights.

      Why should the Center for Disease Control study violence That is not an infectious disease. and why specifically "gun violence" and not all violence.

    3. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The primary reason of the guns, is that they were invented to kill more efficiently.

      Actually, NATO standardized on the smaller 5.56 mm round because in testing they discovered it would tumble, imparting more energy to the flesh and causing larger woulds. The M1 Garand (standard issue U.S. rifle in WWII) used .30-'06 rounds (7.62mm) which were so powerful they would punch right through a person. Good for a kill shot, but it tended to be all-or-nothing. Either you killed the target, or you just created a straight hole which could be bandaged up.

      The 5.56 mm rounds were better at creating injuries - lower kill rate but higher rate of incapacitating the target. And strategically it's better to wound enemy soldiers than to kill them. If you kill them, the enemy just ignores the bodies. If they're wounded, the enemy has to tie up resources recovering and evacuating the wounded, and additional resources for hospitalization and medical care.

      So no, the primary purpose of guns is not to kill more efficiently. That's a fantasy concocted by people trying to think of the worst possible rationale for something they dislike. The purpose of guns is to intimidate - make people fear the consequences of noncompliance with the person holding the gun. That's why sometimes police with guns can defuse a situation without ever firing a shot. If you believe the killing theory, then such a resolution should be impossible because the gun was never fired and thus had no opportunity to kill anyone.

      Intimidation is actually the main purpose of most weapons. Have you ever wondered why "decimate" is a synonym for utterly destroying, but it actually means killing just 1 in 10? Because killing isn't actually the purpose of weapons and war. It's intimidation. And killing 1 in 10 people in an opposing army was usually sufficient to cause the remaining 9 to rout and flee. Nukes are a good example - they worked to keep the U.S. from meddling with the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba, and vice versa, even though they were never used. Ukraine lacking them (they disarmed after assurances from the West that we'd protect them from invasion) is what allowed Russia to waltz in and grab Crimea.

      Forget the BS about sport , that did not happen in the 18th century for your average person in the US, at the time of the framing of the second amendment.

      Oh my. If you lived any reasonable distance outside of a city in the 18th century and didn't have a rifle, your family starved. It was the primary means of putting meat on the table. Part of the reason the U.S. won the Revolutionary War was because a significant fraction of the milita were sharpshooters skilled with using rifles (muskets with rifling to spin-stabilize the bullet increasing accuracy) for hunting. The British still followed the "line everyone up and fire a volley at once" strategy, which works great against an enemy doing the same thing back at you. Not so well against sharpshooters hiding in the woods picking you off one by one from a distance.

      (And if you're curious, no I don't own a gun. I don't even like them, and have never shot one aside from a BB gun. I just took the time to educate myself about the issue before drawing conclusions.)

    4. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by blindseer · · Score: 2

      Guns were designed to kill, cars were designed to carry people safely. Cars are registered. Drivers are licensed. Yet cars kill far more people every year than guns.

      Then there is this:

      "they want to get uuuuur guuuunns"

      You just went into a rant mocking people that think someone might want to take their guns away and then explain in detail on how you want to do exactly that. You can claim that you did not in fact say you want to take my guns, only that I'd need a permit, have all my guns tracked electronically, and strict enforcement. Well, what happens to the guns I have that do not have electronic tracking? My guess is you would have them taken from me.

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    5. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So no, the primary purpose of guns is not to kill more efficiently. That's a fantasy concocted by people trying to think of the worst possible rationale for something they dislike.

      What you're basically saying above is that the primary purpose of guns is to maim more efficiently. That's not really much better you know. It's also massively ignorant, and you're referring to one particular 20th century invention as "all guns".

      The purpose of guns is to intimidate - make people fear the consequences of noncompliance with the person holding the gun. That's why sometimes police with guns can defuse a situation without ever firing a shot.

      No, that's not why, because often the police can defuse a situation without ever bringing guns into it at all.

      Part of the reason the U.S. won the Revolutionary War was because a significant fraction of the milita

      The other part was the French. And the Spanish.

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    6. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      You don't actually need a permit to operate a car. You don't need registration for your vehicle either. You only need those things if you want to use public roads. If you want to drive on private streets and private property, you don't need a license or registration. I think guns should be the same way. No restrictions on private ownership and use. You need a permit and registration to carry them in public.

      Sounds simple enough right?

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    7. Re:Because car were not constructed to kill by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      So, where's your well regulated militia?

      Oh, look. Another person who can't read.

      Here, let's use some modern conversational English so you can't pretend you don't understand what the framers were saying (which they also explained to you in numerous other documents, transcripts, letters and the like, which you're also pretending you don't know about):

      "It looks like we can't have a nice new country without having at least some sort of standing professional military. Nobody in government is allowed to use the existence of that military as a reason to deny individuals their right to keep and bear their own arms."

      Of course you already knew that's what the second amendment means, and you're just pretending to be dumb about it so you can attempt to prop up a long-standing lie from the nanny state types.

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  24. Re: The mistake was going after Alex Jones by eclectro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google et al that owns youtube is a public corporation. While it may set the rules for how its site is used, that does not place it beyond long overdue anti-trust examination.

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  25. The nature of this "mistake" by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

    These bans were probably done by a machine-learning computer program.

    The real dangers of automation are not in job losses, but loss of the ability to live our lives in the face of monolithic corporations usurping proper governmental authority.

    Humanity is in the midst of a speciation event.
    On one hand, you have traditional human beings, with intelligence, wisdom, spirituality, etc.
    On the other hand, you have an elite that have self-selected their genetics, culture, personality, etc. for blind, all-consuming greed, and their hordes of brainwashed slaves.

    You have to pick a side.

  26. Mistakenly... by Marful · · Score: 1

    ... lol!

    Suuuuuure they "mistakenly" pulled them.

  27. Re: The mistake was going after Alex Jones by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, you say that, but when Google controls the narrative and buys congresscritters, the difference between Google's censorship and federal censorship becomes meaningless.

    That works both ways. Congresscritters (and governments in Europe) are increasingly leaning on social media behemoths to curb hate speech and "fake news". Which is more than a little bit scary. What is "fake"? Recently some EU task force accused a couple of newspapers and websites of spreading fake news. In a few cases they retracted the accusation, but not until the websites themselves pointed out the articles in question were wholly factual, and threatened legal action. I really don't want that sort of stuff going on behind the scenes, where websites might not even know they were cut from the news feeds and penalized in page rankings.

    There's much talk these days about the influence of large social media companies. But if these companies can be called upon to fight "fake news", by the same token they can be called upon to uphold principles of free speech. I am in favour of applying some additional "common carrier"-like rules to the larger social media sites, not to enforce censorship but to prevent it. When these companies grow to a certain size, they should be considered a "public space" and forced to offer their services indiscriminately... just like many other services are. And to be clear, in my country "indiscriminately" by law doesn't just mean race or gender or religion, it also applies to political conviction.

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  28. BULLSHIT! by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Interesting

    SJW activist were seen and screenshotted to be talking about joining the youtube heroes program and the moderation contractors to purposely only take down anti-conservative content and let absolutely anything liberal through, even massively perverted gay and trans content. This is NO ACCIDENT.

  29. Yes. by cmseagle · · Score: 1

    Yes. A new moderator mistakenly believed that a channel was against Youtube's content policy and removed the channel. This isn't a "Whoops! Wrong button!" mistake.

  30. Cars are used far more than guns by aepervius · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I am ranting with "uuur guuuns" because people spout excuse for the gun lobby without thinking twice and I am an old coger enough that those issue were clarified again and again and again but the same BS keep cropping up (see same thing with global warming). Looking at *absolute* number of death is one of those tactic. Yes cars kill more people in absolute. But this is a wrong number to compare, you have to compare per hour of driving usage, to per hour of gun usage or a similar statistic. Cars are used far far more per capita than guns are carried. Thus what appears in absolute a bigger number, is actually factually per capita/per hours usage a much lower number. So the 12 fatality per 100K for car comapred to the suicide+murder of In 2013 the United States' firearm-related death rate was 10.7 deaths for every 100K inhabitants , or murder solely 3.5K per 100K you quickly see that due to the huge usage per hours of day of cars, or even their *predominant* presence in every corner city or rural, that gun are far far far more dangerous than cars by order of magnitude.

    Facit : compare what is comparable. If you start comparing absolute number, then chance is that you are trying to push an agenda. You gotta make sure numbers are on a valid scale. Nuff said. Feel free to rant about me.

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    1. Re:Cars are used far more than guns by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Cars are used far far more per capita than guns are carried.

      Right there, you show either your ignorance on the subject or your deliberate attempt to misinform.

      What do you mean by "carry?" The vast, vast majority of gun owners don't "carry" a gun at all. By far (not counting law enforcement and armed guards), the most common actual carriers are criminals who are not allowed to possess guns, and who are typically carrying a stolen or fraudulently procured firearm.

      Setting aside the criminals who are already breaking existing laws, that leaves the law abiding people who carry. In states where carry permits are issued and can thus be easily cross referenced to criminal activity, you'll find - as I'm sure you're already aware, but are pretending you don't know so you can engage in rhetorical distraction - that people who carry are among the safest (in terms of accidents involving guns) and by far the most law-abiding demographic in the country. Private citizens who carry are charged and convicted with fewer crimes of any kind (let alone violent crimes involving guns) than even law enforcement officers are.

      So even if we take you seriously in your requirement to consider "hours of use" in "carried guns," your notion is pointless unless you break that down in to "legally" and "illegally." Because the legal bunch often carry through most of their waking hours, and commit the least crime of any group you'd like to offer up. That makes their "murders per hour of use" number, effectively, zero. Your need to include criminals already banned from possessing guns carrying illegally procured/possessed guns in your numbers illustrates how well you know that you're deliberately trying to mislead. When it's that obvious that you're willing to engage in deceit in order to present your political narrative, why should we even consider anything you're saying?

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  31. What Nationwide Debate? by nagora · · Score: 1

    Facebook is international and, as far as I know, pretty well every country in the world is happy to have - or wished it had - effective gun controls so there's not a lot of debate.

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    1. Re:What Nationwide Debate? by nagora · · Score: 1

      No, I mean "countries". The American attitude to guns is basically a mental illness. Don't assume that the rest of us share it.

      As to slaves: you live in fear of your children, friends, or yourself being murdered by some lunatic every day; is is you who is the slave.

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  32. It was just a mistake! by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

    Don't hold us accountable for our actions, we have an excuse!

  33. SPLC is in charge by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=O-LXSbgzgBo

    1. Re:SPLC is in charge by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Great, so an organization infamous for smearing people with whom they have political disagreements, and which receives huge cash endowments from partisan operators and which can be seen as dedicated to changing first amendment protections to more of a government permit arrangement for speech ... is "in charge" of removing political speech. That's great.

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  34. Google's laughable manipulation of search results by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Look up the following on images.google.com

    American inventors
    white inventors
    white couples
    white women with children
    white man and white woman
    European history people

    If you think the search results are coincidental, try searching "Asian couples" or "black inventors" or something.

  35. Re:First! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    I think of it as comedy.

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  36. They left get plenty of this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but they're not very noticeable. Right wing media has heavy duty backing from wealthy interests who want to see deregulation happen. The left wing media is just a bunch of guys with patreon accounts and a few donations. And no, MSNBC is not left wing.

    So you hear about the right wing media because they've got the money to get noticed. As always, follow the money.

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  37. The line's pretty clear by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Google can do what they want with their private service. It's not a free speech issue until the government censors.

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  38. Nothing new here by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    Nothing to see here, move along. It's just Alphabet outsourced labor enforcing the views given to them by their tech overlords.
    This happened during the last election and will happen during the next one and for any other issue Alphabets overlords deem necessary.

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  39. Mistakenly? by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    My ass

  40. Mass murders still happen by tomhath · · Score: 1

    You do realize that the worse mass murder in a US school did not involve a gun, don't you?

    1. Re:Mass murders still happen by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You do realize that has absolutely no bearing on anything and that if you think you're making some kind of point, you're actually not?

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  41. Re:First! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Infowars is hate speech

    There is no such thing as hate-speech....

    There is ONLY speech.

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  42. Re:PopeFATZO let's see who lies... apk by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure APK is my first wife doing performance art.

    APK

    P.S.=>PopeRatdick has a tiny pecker and tried to mack on my best friend.

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  43. Blew the "i" flag. Sorry 'bout that. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    We're on the same page,

    The first line of my previous post was a quote from the one I was replying to (with me pointing out other reasons that starting your own was impractical)

    Sorry for any confusion.

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  44. Re:Google's laughable manipulation of search resul by tbannist · · Score: 1

    The first one is easily explained "African-American Inventor" contains the substring "American Inventor". The problem with the rest is that most of the time none of them are identified as "white". Take Alexander Graham Bell's wikipedia page, for example. The word "white" only appears in name of a plane that Bell helped to develop, meanwhile the top result for "white inventor" is a black man who had to hire a white actor to pretend to be him to sell his inventions. It's not notable to most people that a couple is white, or that a woman with children is white, or that a man and a woman are white. The last term is more of the same, if you understand that Europeans do not often consider themselves to be "European" and instead they are British, French, German, etc. then the results again make sense because the term European is again used most often to identify historical figures who are not European.

    Try searching for:
    famous inventor (inventor just returns CAD images)
    couples
    women with children
    man and woman
    history people

    And you'll see that most of the pictures are white people.

    This doesn't look like result manipulation, it looks like the terms that you listed are most often used when the picture does not conform to the terms. It's certain counter-intuitive, but it's what anyone with an actual understanding of exactly how dumb algorithms can be would expect from page rank in these circumstances. Contrary to your claim, the results actually seem to be pretty clear evidence that Google is not manipulating these search results or the results would be better.

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