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Tumblr Has a Massive Creepshots Problem (vice.com)

After Reddit famously banned the creepshots sub-reddit, which shared non-consensual, revealing photos of women, Tumblr now has a slew of users pushing out similar photos across at least dozens of dedicated blogs, a Motherboard investigation has found. From the report: Simply typing 'creepshot' or related terms into Tumblr's built-in search function returns a steady stream of tagged posts, and Google queries easily reveal links to relevant Tumblr blogs. Motherboard found just under 70 Tumblr blogs focused on sharing creepshots, most with a bevy of content. In some cases, the Tumblrs also host 'upskirt' photos or videos, where a camera is deliberately, and stealthily, positioned to look up an unsuspecting person's skirt. Some of the subjects of these images, as well as many of the clothed creepshots, appear to be young, possibly teenagers.

"This is only the tip of the iceberg, there are probably hundreds of these accounts filming in high schools, college campuses, in malls, and on the streets. And Tumblr seems to not care at all about the problem," an anonymous tipster, who first alerted Motherboard to the issue, wrote in an email. One of the most popular creepshot Tumblrs has some 11,000 followers, and one of its posts has over 53,000 interactions linked to it, including reblogs, where the video or picture then appears on the user's own Tumblr, spreading the content further.

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  1. Goddan tumblr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if it's not one thing it's another.

    Get on board and start cracking down on your users and tell them how to behave!

    We have to get rid of all the russian nazis before they influence any more elections

    1. Re: Goddan tumblr by turp182 · · Score: 2

      You point this out the day before St. Patrick's Day celebrations...

      There will be many men about in skirts/kilts tomorrow.

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    2. Re: Goddan tumblr by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Traps?

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    3. Re: Goddan tumblr by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Is there some reason that they can't say women's skirts??

      Is there a reason you specifically are suggesting that non-women don't wear skirts? Person's skirts is not only politically correct, it's also pretty damn accurate given what pictures are available on the internet.

    4. Re: Goddan tumblr by Baton+Rogue · · Score: 1
    5. Re: Goddan tumblr by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Women wearing skirts are the norm....are you denying that

      If you don't know how logic or language works then yes, I'm denying that. Or you could re-read what I said and try to make sense of English.

      where you live

      Where I live has nothing to do with the location I specified : Internet.

      Do you even English man?

  2. Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a group of users who like posting pictures like this just move from one site to another like locusts, it's not really a problem with wherever they land - it's a social and people problem.

    What can you do about it? Nothing at all, that's what. They will just go somewhere else even if you somehow managed to block them from whatever site they are on now.

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    1. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by snookerdoodle · · Score: 1

      It's not a tech problem, but it is a character problem. The reddit folks didn't ban this because they cared about the victims. They did it because of public pressure.

      Tumblr (and previously reddit) could have taken a stand that the victims' rights outweighed the posters' rights and gained some respect. Could have.

      Of course it doesn't make it go away. But it could remove one "legitimate" (ok, it's Tumblr) source of implied approval.

    2. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by Kjella · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What can you do about it? Nothing at all, that's what. They will just go somewhere else even if you somehow managed to block them from whatever site they are on now.

      You're assuming that the point of these smear campaigns is to make people stop taking and sharing creepshots. It's about trying to discredit and kill sites that allow user-supplied content, or if not that then to give corporations and special interest organizations free reign to install automated content scanners, issue take downs and block whatever it is they don't like. Or just spinning up rumors to smear competing services even though your photo sharing service has many creepshots of its own, because most people think where there's smoke there's fire. You'd be surprised how many people just mind blank and start raging against one particular company or service if you just pick the right trigger.

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    3. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      That only solves the problem for you though, not in the general case. :-)

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    4. Re: Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by liefer · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Let's just abandon all social etiquette and ask laws. Since there's nothing we can do about human behavior anyway

    5. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

      - John Gilmore, 1993.

      Much wisdom from the key developers of the early Internet has been lost or ignored, to our detriment.

      Which is why twitter and Facebook will cease to be relevant in the near future

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    6. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not a tech problem, but it is a character problem. The reddit folks didn't ban this because they cared about the victims. They did it because of public pressure.

      Tumblr (and previously reddit) could have taken a stand that the victims' rights outweighed the posters' rights and gained some respect. Could have.

      Of course it doesn't make it go away. But it could remove one "legitimate" (ok, it's Tumblr) source of implied approval.

      If you set the precedent that a forum operator is responsible for all user content, you may not like the result.

      I am old enough to remember the 1990s, a time when the existence of transgendered people was not a topic one could discuss in front of children. If the internet had existed in its current form, Reddit and Tumblr would have faced significant pressure to disallow forums that discussed the existence of transgendered people. Should they have caved to that pressure? I would say "no", because I don't think a forum opperor should have to make sure all user content meets the demands of everyone everywhere. Please don't set the opposite precedent!

      You may think that the moral standards you have are those that people should have for the rest of time. Every generation does, and every generation so far has been wrong. The particular case identified here may be horrible, and I would not blame Tumblr for trying to excise the content from its servers. However, be careful that in your zeal to stop one terrible idea, you don't let them set a precedent that will stop any future social movement from expressing good ideas that happen to be unpopular.

    7. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't about censorship and you know it. This is about consent. The subjects of these pictures did not give consent, and it is totally reasonable for a person to expect that such pictures of themselves will not be taken in the absence of consent.

    8. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, the story here is that as one site forces them out it just relocates the problem somewhere else. Same as in real life.

      Companies apparently need to be on the lookout for migrating swarms of arseholes looking to turn their site into something creepy or illegal. None of them are motivated to do more than move them on.

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  3. Gotta say it. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Pics or it didn't happen.

    [ What? Don't look at me like that; you were thinking it too. :-) ]

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  4. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Type Creepshot into Bing and you just get a bunch of pics of females in public.

    So the big deal is that someone is taking your picture as you walk around where everyone can see you?

  5. Re:Thanks by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

    Don't bother. Nothing "creepy" about yoga pants butts. Searched tumblr hoping for ecchi, found only yawn.

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  6. Define "creepshot" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For those of us who are not in fact creeps and don't necessarily want first-hand exposure to it, what _is_ a "creepshot" and why is it assumed that all readers of this site already know the term?

    1. Re:Define "creepshot" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For those of us who are not in fact creeps and don't necessarily want first-hand exposure to it, what _is_ a "creepshot" and why is it assumed that all readers of this site already know the term?

      Literally the first line of the summary should make that clear? "[...] non-consensual, revealing photos of women"

    2. Re:Define "creepshot" by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      Pics of girls in yoga pants mixed with obviously porn posed-for upskirts.

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  7. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why you can't get a date.

  8. The good news is... by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    ... we'll probably be okay.

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  9. Re:BINGO by deong · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So you don't like "censorship".

    Great. Here's what actually happened. Third parties did some basic research and found the existence of this material on Tumblr's site. Other people then pressure Tumblr to remove that content. Tumblr will presumably then remove this content. If you find this series of events objectionable, what's your preferred alternative? Should Tumblr be compelled by law to host them? Should third parties be prevented from pointing them out? Are you just saying you'd prefer Tumblr ignore them?

    I have a hard time seeing any censorship here. This appears to be a bunch of people using their freedom to speak their mind, and (presumably) a company agreeing with them. It's not really censorship for me to paint over your graffiti on my wall. It's my wall. I get to decide what I want it to say. You can go paint your own wall. You may wish Tumblr would do otherwise, but it's their wall. They aren't obligated, legally or ethically, to display anything they don't want on that wall.

  10. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by dbrueck · · Score: 1

    Oh, this is rich: you're criticizing someone and simultaneously making the very same mistake that they are allegedly making.

  11. Re:Tumblr seems to not care at all by deong · · Score: 1

    What litigation? No one is being prosecuted or sued here. The government isn't stepping in and telling anyone what they can or cannot say or do. Users have the right to criticize Tumblr for what they perceive Tumblr to be falling down at. Tumblr has the right to control how its property is used and how its brand is presented.

    You sound really fired up about free speech, right up to the part where you'd prefer no one else have any of it.

  12. Why is this a problem? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    The upskirt images are not appropriate or legal, but it is legal to take images of people in public settings, isn't it?

    We have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public, as the US government and the media industry has made quite clear.

    Also, while it is amazing what some of these woman are wearing in public, presumably they were aware of their appearance when they left the house?

    1. Re:Why is this a problem? by chiefcrash · · Score: 2

      Depending on where they were taken, the upskirt images are likely perfectly legal: http://helloflo.com/perfectly-...

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  13. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 2

    I understand. It's hard when nobody wants you around. Have you tried not being creepy? That usually works.

  14. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 1

    When you seek to destroy people, you lose any claim to protection: you become the thing people need protectiob from. Nothing but a common bully, who deserves what all bullies deserve.

  15. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Dread_ed · · Score: 2

    Creepy is only a problem if you are ugly. No one thinks you're creepy if they think you're hot. So, don't try to not be creepy, that is impossible. Instead, try being hot.

    Barring that, keep an attorney around and have him do everything for you, as your council.

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  16. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is the pinnacle of sexism of the left. Have no argument against what a man says? Attack his social status and be praised for doing so.

    The left is not about the truth, or argumentation, or the benefit of society. The left has moved away from liberalism long ago. Today, the left is about gaining control for the left. Facts that conflict don't matter. Argumentation doesn't matter. Even being hypocritical doesn't matter. Only group cohesion.

    The tribe is absolute.

  17. No, Tumblr doesn't care by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    And Tumblr seems to not care at all about the problem,

    It's the same with their rape videos, or videos showing torture. And no, I don't mean the simulated ones. I mean women who are unconscious being raped, one on a kitchen counter fighting off her attacker, and so on.

    That's the real reason Tumblr forced people to get an account. They think they're hiding these photos/videos but as this story shows, it's really just a shell game.

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  18. Re:Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by magarity · · Score: 1

    People are posting pictures of people that they took in public

    ... with mini cameras attached to their shoes.

  19. Oh tumblr! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    You're like the parking lot behind the Dollar General where all the degenerates hang out.

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  20. Re:Reap what you sow by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Wear revealing clothes and do your absolute best to flaunt your sexuality in public?

    If someone has to take a picture secretly, and that picture is not being taken for the express and specific purpose of uncovering some misdeed, then that's a sign that they are doing something wrong. The standard has always been that you don't look up people's skirts. If you're talking about pictures of people in public which are taken without deception or disguise, then I'm actually with you (although not quite so frothy about it) but if you're talking about upskirts and the like, you're off your nut.

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  21. Lost me there by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Tumblr will presumably then remove this content.

    Presumably? It's Tumblr. 10% chance it's gone, 15% chance it's highlighted.

    If you find this series of events objectionable, what's your preferred alternative? Should Tumblr be compelled by law to host them?

    Yep, if you are going to run an image hosting site, cannot discriminate based on content, only illegal materials get removed. If someone wants to say creepy images are illegal, fine, but they have to codify what that MEANS.

    They aren't obligated, legally or ethically, to display anything they don't want on that wall.

    Legally? No. Ethically? There I would argue they do have an obligation to host the material, no matter how distasteful.

    A whole other level of problem related to the content being removed is, how much of it is staged... at this point there is nothing you would consider immoral or creepy that does not have a large number of people producing porn and other images based around the concept.

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  22. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    No one thinks you're creepy if they think you're hot. So, don't try to not be creepy, that is impossible.

    Huh, I didn't realise I'm incredibly hot. I mean I guess I must be since I'm not creepy.

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  23. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 1

    This is the pinnacle of sexism of the left. Have no argument against what a man says? Attack his social status and be praised for doing so.

    Dude, they're called creepshots for a reason. They're taken by creeps, for creeps, and the fan community openly embraces this. What exactly did you expect?

    The left is not about the truth, or argumentation, or the benefit of society. The left has moved away from liberalism long ago. Today, the left is about gaining control for the left. Facts that conflict don't matter. Argumentation doesn't matter. Even being hypocritical doesn't matter. Only group cohesion.

    The tribe is absolute.
    You've made one very flawed assumption: I'm not a leftist. I don't claim all paths are equally true, or that all feelings are valid, or that all people deserve protection. To me, you are not an exception to any rules, nor do you represent an inconsistency in my worldview. You're merely the worst of the worst, and perhaps the only threat that warrants this particular kind of harshness. Casting you out is a civic duty.

  24. Re:Well Actually... by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

    You forgot Avian Carriers: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf...

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  25. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 1

    That contraption you built out of pillows and a fleshlight doesn't count, you know.

  26. Re: Well Actually... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Library? So, in full view of an entire room of other people

    Ask me how I know you have NEVER seen the computer room in a library in recent years.

    Yes, people really do view ANYTHING there. Even if they are not supposed to... why does this surprise anyone at all???

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  27. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 1

    These are pictures of these people out in public places, dressing how they chose to dress and often not even showing faces.

    This is irrelevant. Failing to understand this is a large part of what makes you so creepy.

  28. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by liefer · · Score: 2

    I understand that you'll probably take some pride and find some validation in being modded up here. But consider who are agreeing with you: nerds. Nerds who have never been successful with women. So they'll agree with you, because it's comforting while still hitting their deepest fear (and reality for most): sex being inaccessible. For men who are actually successful with women it's obvious that the guy you are replying to is absolutely correct in everything he said

  29. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 1

    I understand that you'll probably take some pride and find some validation in being modded up here.

    I actually prefer the down-mods. They're how I know I'm striking nerves.

    But consider who are agreeing with you: nerds. Nerds who have never been successful with women.

    Well, nerds are this site's core target audience. Are you admitting that you don't belong here?

    But "nerds who have never been successful with women"? Man, I remember my own unsuccessful phase. I was a total creep, just like you and your fellow foreveralones, and for many of the same reasons. I wasn't as far along the path of bitterness, but I was on it. This was a long time ago, before /r9k/ or even the red pill, but you'd have recognized me.

    What changed? Well, I did, but more to the point, someone found a way to force me to stop ignoring the truth. And even now, decades later, I still call that the worst day of my life. I mean, think about it: all those years of hating your ostracizers, lumping them in with the bullies, and then yoy find out the ostracizers were right all along? That's going to suck for anybody.

    But the funny thing about the worst day of your life is that it stops getting worse. The results were almost as quick as they were dramatic. The bullying stopped within weeks, the ostracism stopped within months. Women started to notice, and in a year I had my first girlfriend, all without any of that PUA garbage (the only thing any PUA ever said that is not bullshit is that rejection is not worth your fear). Nowadays I'm happily married. And all I ever really had to do was listen. The rest followed from there.

    So they'll agree with you, because it's comforting while still hitting their deepest fear (and reality for most): sex being inaccessible.

    Ah, but I'm not saying sex is inaccessible. Quite the opposite. Yes, I'm saying that women can sense that sex with you is a bad idea, and this is your fault, but I'm saying that you can change all that. And you can do it without elaborate acts or training regimes, because phoniness is another kind of creepiness so those things are actually counterproductive. I'm not asking you to become someone else; I'm only asking you to grow.

    For men who are actually successful with women it's obvious that the guy you are replying to is absolutely correct in everything he said

    Then why haven't you been successful with women? Why have things only been failure after failure for, despite your supposedly doing everything right?

  30. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    Creepy is only a problem if you are ugly. No one thinks you're creepy if they think you're hot.

    Ya, but then the problem just escalates from creepy to inappropriate behavior, abusive, or some other worse issue. Being "creepy" is usually a sign of even more deep problems, not just some quirk. The same things shows up when the genders are reversed. The first thing other guys ask when they hear some other guy had a "stalker" was if she was good looking. I usually interject the answer "No, otherwise she'd be a "psycho ex-girlfriend", to the agreement of the guy that had the stalker.