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Tumblr Has a Massive Creepshots Problem (vice.com)

After Reddit famously banned the creepshots sub-reddit, which shared non-consensual, revealing photos of women, Tumblr now has a slew of users pushing out similar photos across at least dozens of dedicated blogs, a Motherboard investigation has found. From the report: Simply typing 'creepshot' or related terms into Tumblr's built-in search function returns a steady stream of tagged posts, and Google queries easily reveal links to relevant Tumblr blogs. Motherboard found just under 70 Tumblr blogs focused on sharing creepshots, most with a bevy of content. In some cases, the Tumblrs also host 'upskirt' photos or videos, where a camera is deliberately, and stealthily, positioned to look up an unsuspecting person's skirt. Some of the subjects of these images, as well as many of the clothed creepshots, appear to be young, possibly teenagers.

"This is only the tip of the iceberg, there are probably hundreds of these accounts filming in high schools, college campuses, in malls, and on the streets. And Tumblr seems to not care at all about the problem," an anonymous tipster, who first alerted Motherboard to the issue, wrote in an email. One of the most popular creepshot Tumblrs has some 11,000 followers, and one of its posts has over 53,000 interactions linked to it, including reblogs, where the video or picture then appears on the user's own Tumblr, spreading the content further.

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  1. Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a group of users who like posting pictures like this just move from one site to another like locusts, it's not really a problem with wherever they land - it's a social and people problem.

    What can you do about it? Nothing at all, that's what. They will just go somewhere else even if you somehow managed to block them from whatever site they are on now.

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    1. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not a tech problem, but it is a character problem. The reddit folks didn't ban this because they cared about the victims. They did it because of public pressure.

      Tumblr (and previously reddit) could have taken a stand that the victims' rights outweighed the posters' rights and gained some respect. Could have.

      Of course it doesn't make it go away. But it could remove one "legitimate" (ok, it's Tumblr) source of implied approval.

      If you set the precedent that a forum operator is responsible for all user content, you may not like the result.

      I am old enough to remember the 1990s, a time when the existence of transgendered people was not a topic one could discuss in front of children. If the internet had existed in its current form, Reddit and Tumblr would have faced significant pressure to disallow forums that discussed the existence of transgendered people. Should they have caved to that pressure? I would say "no", because I don't think a forum opperor should have to make sure all user content meets the demands of everyone everywhere. Please don't set the opposite precedent!

      You may think that the moral standards you have are those that people should have for the rest of time. Every generation does, and every generation so far has been wrong. The particular case identified here may be horrible, and I would not blame Tumblr for trying to excise the content from its servers. However, be careful that in your zeal to stop one terrible idea, you don't let them set a precedent that will stop any future social movement from expressing good ideas that happen to be unpopular.

    2. Re:Or maybe it's not a tech problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't about censorship and you know it. This is about consent. The subjects of these pictures did not give consent, and it is totally reasonable for a person to expect that such pictures of themselves will not be taken in the absence of consent.

  2. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why you can't get a date.

  3. The good news is... by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    ... we'll probably be okay.

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  4. Re: Goddan tumblr by turp182 · · Score: 2

    You point this out the day before St. Patrick's Day celebrations...

    There will be many men about in skirts/kilts tomorrow.

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  5. Re:BINGO by deong · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So you don't like "censorship".

    Great. Here's what actually happened. Third parties did some basic research and found the existence of this material on Tumblr's site. Other people then pressure Tumblr to remove that content. Tumblr will presumably then remove this content. If you find this series of events objectionable, what's your preferred alternative? Should Tumblr be compelled by law to host them? Should third parties be prevented from pointing them out? Are you just saying you'd prefer Tumblr ignore them?

    I have a hard time seeing any censorship here. This appears to be a bunch of people using their freedom to speak their mind, and (presumably) a company agreeing with them. It's not really censorship for me to paint over your graffiti on my wall. It's my wall. I get to decide what I want it to say. You can go paint your own wall. You may wish Tumblr would do otherwise, but it's their wall. They aren't obligated, legally or ethically, to display anything they don't want on that wall.

  6. Re: Goddan tumblr by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Is there some reason that they can't say women's skirts??

    Is there a reason you specifically are suggesting that non-women don't wear skirts? Person's skirts is not only politically correct, it's also pretty damn accurate given what pictures are available on the internet.

  7. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Millennium · · Score: 2

    I understand. It's hard when nobody wants you around. Have you tried not being creepy? That usually works.

  8. Re:Why is this a problem? by chiefcrash · · Score: 2

    Depending on where they were taken, the upskirt images are likely perfectly legal: http://helloflo.com/perfectly-...

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  9. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by Dread_ed · · Score: 2

    Creepy is only a problem if you are ugly. No one thinks you're creepy if they think you're hot. So, don't try to not be creepy, that is impossible. Instead, try being hot.

    Barring that, keep an attorney around and have him do everything for you, as your council.

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  10. No, Tumblr doesn't care by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    And Tumblr seems to not care at all about the problem,

    It's the same with their rape videos, or videos showing torture. And no, I don't mean the simulated ones. I mean women who are unconscious being raped, one on a kitchen counter fighting off her attacker, and so on.

    That's the real reason Tumblr forced people to get an account. They think they're hiding these photos/videos but as this story shows, it's really just a shell game.

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  11. Oh tumblr! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    You're like the parking lot behind the Dollar General where all the degenerates hang out.

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  12. Lost me there by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Tumblr will presumably then remove this content.

    Presumably? It's Tumblr. 10% chance it's gone, 15% chance it's highlighted.

    If you find this series of events objectionable, what's your preferred alternative? Should Tumblr be compelled by law to host them?

    Yep, if you are going to run an image hosting site, cannot discriminate based on content, only illegal materials get removed. If someone wants to say creepy images are illegal, fine, but they have to codify what that MEANS.

    They aren't obligated, legally or ethically, to display anything they don't want on that wall.

    Legally? No. Ethically? There I would argue they do have an obligation to host the material, no matter how distasteful.

    A whole other level of problem related to the content being removed is, how much of it is staged... at this point there is nothing you would consider immoral or creepy that does not have a large number of people producing porn and other images based around the concept.

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  13. Re: Slashdot has a liberal bias problem by liefer · · Score: 2

    I understand that you'll probably take some pride and find some validation in being modded up here. But consider who are agreeing with you: nerds. Nerds who have never been successful with women. So they'll agree with you, because it's comforting while still hitting their deepest fear (and reality for most): sex being inaccessible. For men who are actually successful with women it's obvious that the guy you are replying to is absolutely correct in everything he said