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Mark Zuckerberg Apologizes For the Cambridge Analytica Scandal, Says He Isn't Opposed To Regulation (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Mark Zuckerberg apologized on Wednesday evening for his company's handling of the Cambridge Analytica privacy scandal. "This was a major breach of trust and I'm really sorry this happened," he said in an interview on CNN. "Our responsibility now is to make sure this doesn't happen again." Zuckerberg's comments reflected the first time he apologized following an uproar over how Facebook allowed third-party developers to access user data. Earlier in the day, Zuckerberg wrote a Facebook post in which he said the company had made mistakes in its handling of the Cambridge Analytica data revelations. The company laid out a multipart plan designed to reduce the amount of data shared by users with outside developers, and said it would audit some developers who had access to large troves of data before earlier restrictions were implemented in 2014. Zuckerberg also told CNN that he is not totally opposed to regulation. "I'm not sure we shouldn't be regulated," he said. "There are things like ad transparency regulation that I would love to see."

Other highlights of Zuckerberg's interviews:
-He told multiple outlets that he would be willing to testify before Congress.
-He said the company would notify everyone whose data was improperly used.
-He told the New York Times that Facebook would double its security force this year, adding: "We'll have more than 20,000 people working on security and community operations by the end of the year, I think we have about 15,000 now."
-He told the Times that Facebook would investigate "thousands" of apps to determine whether they had abused their access to user data.

Regarding moderation, Zuckerberg told Recode: "[The] thing is like, 'Where's the line on hate speech?' I mean, who chose me to be the person that did that?" Zuckerberg said. "I guess I have to, because of where we are now, but I'd rather not."

180 comments

  1. He is not opposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He is lying. Which he is not good at. Same with little Cheryl.

    1. Re: He is not opposed? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

      He might be uncomfortable with it, but he probably accepts it is better PR and business just to go with it. At least this way he can have a meaningful conversation as to what appropriate regulation is?

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    2. Re:He is not opposed? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having built a large company with a huge infrastructure. A set of regulations would probably hit a small portion of its budget, while having such rules in effect would raise the bar for any future competitors.

      Imagine Facebook trying to fight off MySpace, if it needed to comply with so many regulations from the start.

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    3. Re:He is not opposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this even news? What self-respecting Slashdotter even uses Facebook?

      I've never had, nor will I ever have a Facebook account. None of my family or friends have a Facebook account either.

    4. Re: He is not opposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incredible.

      Your friends and family, very smart. Stable geniuses.

    5. Re: He is not opposed? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      One also needs to consider that regulations also do a good deal to keep new competitors out of a market just as they curtail existing players. Social media may look like a juicy target for disruption or the incumbents ripe for toppling, but if a new entrant need jump through all manner of hoops to do so, they may turn their sites elsewhere.

    6. Re: He is not opposed? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      By accepting the likelihood of regulation, Zuckerberg has at least some opportunity to shape it. Better to capitulate and retain some leverage than to fight it and have regulations imposed.

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    7. Re:He is not opposed? by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure he's lying. There's a handful of ways that regulating social media could help out facebook. They'd have to pay to jump through the hoops to meet compliance, whatever that looks like..... but so would all the competition. Imagine you're 4 guys in college cooking up a facebook-killer like every damn fool was doing ~5 years ago. Now you're going to fail because you have zero hope of complying, or even affording to know if you comply, with the laws and regulation surrounding the industry. (Where as before you were going to fail because everyone liked facebook and they were the dominant player). With regulation, even if it sounds like it would make them behave better, it's a deathknell for competition. A barrier to entry. If facebook is legitimately worried about competition taking away their user-base (their product), then digging themselves in with some regulation makes sense.

      Also I have zero faith in congress or the FCC having any clue how to regulation Tech, information, the Internet, or social media. He might just be bluffing. It's an easy bluff when you know the other guy has a single pair of jacks.

    8. Re: He is not opposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would Ford Motor Company be responsible if someone drove their personal F-150 into a crowd and killing someone? The data was not obtained by exploiting the Facebook database's. A 3rd party who was given access to the data for internal research purposes illegally forwarded that information to another 3rd party who had not been vetted and did not have permission to obtain the data.

      When 9-11 happened the public willingly gave the government the power to go forth and basically kill anyone who even looks suspicious. The Patriot Act, Gitmo, and expanded FISA and NSL usage were also the result of the publics demanding protection from terrorists. Of course "terrorist" was a loosely defined term that can be interpreted differently depending on the circumstances.

      Now Facebook, and other social media services, are being told they need to start censoring any data stored by their applications. And Facebook, and all the others, will end up blocking any thing that even comes close to matching the loosely defined terms hate speech, fraud, or incitement. This will end up blocking information that is not hate speech, fraud, or incitement just to avoid any future complaints and lawsuits. All of this bullshit is occurring because the public is incapable of self censoring and is totally lacking any reading comprehension abilities. So because the public has a collective IQ of 30 they are demanding the government and the corporations to implement wide ranging and poorly defined censorship protocols.

      Maybe Facebook needs to make a trip to China to learn how to set up an effective censoring program.

    9. Re:He is not opposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Same reason net neutrality as implemented by Obama, which adds a lot of government control and regulations that are expensive to interpret and meet, harmed small businesses. Anytime you make it expensive to comply with the law, the big guys do better.

      And:

      "You failed to confirm you are a human."

      So authentication is broken so people can't login, and now the site lies and claims I'm not human? That is hateful.

    10. Re:He is not opposed? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      What self-respecting Slashdotter refers to himself as a "Slashdotter?"

    11. Re: He is not opposed? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      By accepting the likelihood of regulation, Zuckerberg has at least some opportunity to shape it. Better to capitulate and retain some leverage than to fight it and have regulations imposed.

      Exactly. He also knows that is going to come in from other territories, so trying to ensure it matches what is already there makes it easier to implement. Financial institutions on the other hand, often have to deal with conflicting regulations, leaving them in position of needing to comply with them in a way they incur the least penalties.

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  2. Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wonder what was in these boxes ?

    https://twitter.com/bercbon4/status/976444112139366400

    The Consvervative party in the UK used Cambridge Analalytica to help them during their election, is it a wonder it is taking so long to get a warrant ?

    1. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Ohh, it's nothing. Remember Nix got suspended from his position as head of that shell company front - that's just them returning the contents of his virtual desk.

    2. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by umghhh · · Score: 0

      I would be surprised if last 10y there were a party that went to elections w/o support of a Cambrige Analytica like company. The extreme polarized and little educated society in the West does not accept this as a general problem. Every important enough problem in modern world splits society into gender neutral, open to the world (no borders to whatever number and type people and business) islam friendly, metoo, good people and nazis. There is no pardon, no mercy and no possibility you have made a mistake.
      In other words whether Cambridge Analytica is good or bad for democracy is less relevant than the fact it supported Trump. What company did Obama use? What about H. Clinton? Marcon? Do you think these methods are good or bad for democracy? Do you think we have democracy in the West? Why would you think we do (or not)?
      Humans in huge enough group start to reveal properties of a gas in a tank. This is something that individualist culture in the West does not like to realize even if this characteristic is used for ages to control and steer groups of people. Modern technology allows for much more efficient control of 'the gas in the tank', even if these all are blunt measures they are still more effective than what the powers that be had been for their disposal before.

    3. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      Also see http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2... which is about SCL, owner of CA.

    4. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why limiting campaign contributions from corporations, PACs, and even individuals is SO important-- they can't buy these "edges" if they can't afford them.

      Removing the ability for national parties to fund local elections is important, too, so that micro-targeting specific districts won't cause legislative majorities that drag down the goals of government into squabbling orthodox masses of mud.

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    5. Re: Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense, with your mechanism you just make it more likely that a rich person will run and fund such projects themselves.

    6. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are we going to see UK is manipulating our elections headlines?

    7. Re: Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God the rich person doesn't have to spend time and energy doing that, then, and can focus their efforts on staying rich while they pay others to run for them.

    8. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Kohath · · Score: 0

      So the news media gets 100% of the power, because every other form of communicating with voters is illegal.

      No thanks. We have 1st Amendment free speech rights anyway. Courts probably won't accept your ideas for abridging them.

    9. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Not so sure how you got to THAT conclusion. The media makes a pile of cash from candidates and parties. Instead, how about town halls, and actually showing up to them?

      There is an unanswered question that the courts haven't addressed, which amounts to the volume of speech, and if we're equal, then how does one temper the campaign expenditures that buy the airwaves and ad sales, to the detriment of our poor ears and eyes? Campaign expenditure limits would be lovely, including public lists of campaign donors. Then we'd know who's funding campaign and balloted issues.

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    10. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Instead, how about town halls, and actually showing up to them?

      How about we have speech that's free rather than speech that fits into the narrow realm of your personal approval?

      There is an unanswered question that the courts haven't addressed, which amounts to the volume of speech, and if we're equal, then how does one temper the campaign expenditures that buy the airwaves and ad sales, to the detriment of our poor ears and eyes? Campaign expenditure limits would be lovely,

      Whereas free speech is messy but necessary, regardless of how you judge the equality of the outcome.

      including public lists of campaign donors. Then we'd know who's funding campaign and balloted issues.

      So you can blacklist people.

    11. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Let's go hypothetical for a moment.

      Say you developed a pool of funds for any candidate, any issue. The candidate controls the funds, but cannot know who made the contribution.

      Or congruently, all contributions are made to a blockchain, where all contributors are public knowledge from a pool that can be the only source of funds used (save personal appearances, one's own contributions to publicly visible media, and just plain walking a district)?

      Free speech isn't so free. Some is completely overwhelming. Spend all your funds on a single full-page ad in the local bird cage liner. Or spend it on flyers, stickers, whatever. But a finite amount is a wise idea. Further, identifying contributors is a good idea. The We The People part, in my mind, doesn't include corporations, which are not people, and shouldn't IMHO, be treated as though they were.

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    12. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Kohath · · Score: 1

      You can just say you believe speech controls by government and that you don’t believe in free speech.

      You want to pick and choose who can speak, when, and how much they can speak, how much they can spend, how they group together and organize their finances, where the money comes from, etc., etc.

      We have free speech instead. We will keep it. We don't need your input on how we live our lives. We hear it. The answer is no. We have the 1st Amendment to protect us from people like you.

    13. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Your "we" is not my "we".

      The First Amendment is not SCREAM ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE DOUGH. It's equal access. You have my input because: I can write, too, and will continue to do so.

      I would also be in favor of the right not to have to listen to things like political robocalls. But one mountain at a time.

      Egalitarianism is better than plutocracy. Citizens United was one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in memory, and my memory is long.

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    14. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Kohath · · Score: 1

      We get it. You don't like free speech and you don't want it to continue. You've expressed that very clearly. No need to keep finding new ways to say it.

    15. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Speaking about yourself in the first person plural apparently is a speech pattern of yours. I get it.

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    16. Re:Boxes leave cambridge analytica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks. We have 1st Amendment free speech rights anyway. Courts probably won't accept your ideas for abridging them.

      Are you kidding? Speech in the USA is not free, it's infringed in countless ways - by copyrights, by trademarks, by coerced testimony in the courtroom and in front of Congress, by forcing people to speak with the border police and the coast guard, by libel and slander laws, by laws on advertising and offers, by industrial espionage laws, by contract law, by professional ethics law, and so on and so forth.

      It's infringed by government, and it's also infringed by third parties - which may or may not be agents of government.

      If you think the USA has free speech you are living in a fantasy world.

      Then there's a issue of paying for political speech. How is it free speech if somebody had to pay for it? That's a contradiction. Force people to not charge money force speech, force them to give all the money back that they were paid to allow the speech and then it will finally be free. Until then, it's not free speech, it's something else.

  3. Sorry by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry you found out about Facebook's business model.

    1. Re:Sorry by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Sorry you found out about Facebook's business model.

      The Zuck apologizes, but still claims:

      "I did NOT have sex with your private data!"

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    2. Re:Sorry by burtosis · · Score: 1

      He said he was sorry 60 billion times. Give the guy a tax break already.

    3. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry you found out about Facebook's business model.

      This is not the first time facebook gave user data to outsiders

      They gave the Obama administration an even wider range of info back in 2012

      https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scandal-trump-election-obama-2012/

    4. Re:Sorry by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's probably also sorry that Cambridge Analytica was able to monetise data that Facebook has harvested, without paying Facebook a cut.

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    5. Re:Sorry by jebrick · · Score: 1

      My info is years old when I had to interact with Facebook's business API's but it is exactly their business model. A company could pay a certain amount to dig deep (via the APIs). Once a Facebook user used a Facebook login to another page or took a survey or played a Facebook game the company could use their API access to draw out everything about them and their friends.

      If what I read was true, the 50 million people came from about 127,000 people filling out a survey. So they not only got the friends of the people filling out the survey but their friends as well. It will be interesting to see how deep the API allowed CA to pull.

    6. Re:Sorry by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      the 50 million people came from about 127,000 people filling out a survey. So they not only got the friends of the people filling out the survey but their friends as well.

      It's digital HIV. You're as risky as the riskiest person you've ... interacted with.

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    7. Re: Sorry by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      That's what he's really pissed about: Someone else out-earning him with "his" data.

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    8. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't follow the news that closely, but this is what I remember also.

    9. Re:Sorry by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      You're as risky as the riskiest person you've ever interacted with.

      FTFY. As some TV show host put it: "This is like getting an STD because an acquaintance had unprotected sex with an infected person"

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    10. Re: Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't have given it away. "Dumb fuck."

  4. curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A former media director for the Obama campaign said Facebook allowed them to access the personal data of its users in 2011 because the social media giant was “on our side.”

    "Davidsen said she built a database of every American voter by using the same Facebook tool that Cambridge Analytica exploited to amass information on 50 million users."

    https://nypost.com/2018/03/20/obamas-former-media-director-said-facebook-was-once-on-our-side/

    Are we in that double standards place again with the liberal media - " do as we say not as we do" swamp?......
    All animals are equal, some are more equal than others......

    1. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You come here to post that every single day in multiple threads don't you?

    2. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From my post on this last article:

      I don't really feel like defending Obama because I disagree with a lot of what he did but explain to me this:

      Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping? Remember, it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly.

      Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?

      Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?

      Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?

      You may consider it splitting hairs, I certainly don't approve of Obama's use of invasion of privicy for his social media campaign, but this looks like a case of comparing theft of a stack of free newspapers to a bank robbery.

    3. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite frankly - does that make it wrong? I think it is a piece that needs to be heard - everyone is doing the same thing (since 2014) and it seems to be bad now that the wrong people are doing it, 4 years late to the party.

    4. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Train0987 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We have no idea if the Obama campaign did any of those things because ALL of the media and their "journalists" were too busy fawning and covering for him to do any actual investigating into what his campaign was doing. If the Obama administration and campaigns had faced 1/10th of the scrutiny that Trump has you might be shocked at was uncovered.

    5. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh I agree. Fox News just fawned over obamas every move, praising him constantly. They never really dig in to find any issues, but that's why they eventually ditched the whole "fair and balanced" motto. So at least they were honest about it.

    6. Re: curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that researched and thoughtful comment comrade.

    7. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Train0987 · · Score: 0, Troll

      The demonization of Fox News is part of the strategy. The ops question about it being illegal to hire foreigners to a campaign? Did you know the Obama campaign also paid over $1 million to FusionGPS to dig dirt on Romney? Fox News reported it but since you've been programmed to ignore them completely I guess that'll be news to you.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

    8. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also heard they bought a burger from Wendy's and that Wendy's employed a non-citizen to flip it.

    9. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails...

      Which proves Trump is guilty of treason. No one does that except to hide a capital crime. Too bad the media won't expose Trump for his crimes.

    10. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you've been programmed to ignore them completely

      I suppose that you, on the other hand, are open-minded and free-thinking enough to also take in the reporting by CNN, MSNBS, NY Times, etc. that constantly get demonized and called out as dishonest by the Twitterer in Chief?

    11. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Anyone suggesting the suppression of information is the enemy of free thought. I make it a point to read more opinion that I disagree with than those which I agree. What's the point of an echo chamber?

    12. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point of an echo chamber?

      What's the point of an echo chamber?

    13. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 0

      I have found many people on the left to have a dreadful lack of curiosity. They are not interested in your argument, instead they will say "you don't have the right to make that argument." (On the account of you being male or white or whatever.) This disinterest in hearing the other side has often been attributed to the right, but the larger portion of people on the left are supposed to be intellectuals. Seems to me that seeing the apparent success of a worldview they loathe (Trump, Brexit) overrides their interest in hearing opposing arguments.

    14. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      You clearly do not not know what the word "treason" means.

      Please feel free to cite your source about Trump's capital crime.

    15. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point of an echo chamber?

      What's the point of an echo chamber?

      What's the point of an echo chamber?

    16. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 2012, Facebook actively cooperated with the Obama campaign to give them everything CA got - and more.

      Carol Davidsen, who worked as the Director of Media Analytics for the Obama campaign, has gone public with what they did back then. She said that the Obama campaign did things they (the Facebook staffers) didn't know were possible, but Facebook didn't stop them:

      They came to office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side

      Of course, back then, everyone loved it and told each other that it was the way of the future. Then it turned out that more than just young Left-wing voters used Facebook, and suddenly this is all a problem.

      Did the Obama campaign break Facebook's ToS? Probably. We won't ever know for certain, though, because Facebook decided to support Obama rather than protect its customer's privacy.

    17. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      encrypted self deleting emails

      What is this, Hollywood? No email on my system is getting deleted unless I delete it: "self deleting" emails aren't a thing. And *every* email today is, or should be, encrypted - or do you think they travel between the server and the client in plaintext?

      Much of the rest of your post is similarly vague and hyperbolic. For example:

      Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?

      Yes. For example, any story that describes a gun used in a public shooting as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect, and the Obama campaign was certainly sophisticated in the way it targeted undecided voters. Sending such a story to someone qualifies as "misdirecting". And if they trust the source, they qualify as "unsuspecting".

      Of course, many voters don't trust news sources. But they *do* trust their friends. So the Obama campaign's app provided users with the means to spam their friends with pre-written campaign messages, appearing as having been written by that user. (See details.) That's not quite the same as pretending to be the user when messaging their friends, because the user still has some minimal engagement (pressing the button to send the message), but it's awfully close to impersonation. This is a form of scumminess that the Trump campaign hasn't exhibited - though, to be fair, it hasn't had the means to do so.

      You do actually make some significant points. The Obama campaign, to my knowledge, didn't employ any foreign nationals for data collection. And its practices - particularly scraping the details of the friends of their app's users - would violate the current Facebook TOS, but was permissible at the time. But you detract from these points by including vague and hyperbolic statements like the ones I've criticised above.

    18. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know the Obama campaign also paid over $1 million to FusionGPS to dig dirt on Romney? Fox News reported it but since you've been programmed to ignore them completely I guess that'll be news to you.

      And the date of your posted report? 03/14/2018. So, they had from 2012 until 2016 when Obama was in office to do dig up legitimate dirt on Obama? What did Fox News do instead? Sensationalist bullshit. "He's coming for your guns."

      It makes perfect sense, though. People hated Obama could turn to Fox News, and it didn't matter how outlandish the claims people would believe it. It'd often be proven wrong, if anyone bothered, with a week, but that didn't stop people from showing up months or years later to repeat it.

      Is CNN or MSNBC better? Usually not. But then they'll report what the NYT or NYPost or whatever finds out, and they've actual done investigations that find out this stuff. You could complain they didn't find out about Obama's actions or report it. Well, if there's the complaint that there's a liberal bias in the press, certainly conscientious right-winged groups would pay for newspapers that did journalism free of those biases? Nope, Rupert Murdoch bought up newspapers to push his agenda but not to purpose actual investigative journalism. Why? Investigative journalism is relatively expensive, but if your audience only cares about an echo chamber, you only really have to slant things your way without spending any extra money.

      tl;dr. The right-wing groups in power are rich men and corporations not interested in facts but in spewing sensationalism that the right-wing public just eats up. The left-wing groups are for sensationalism too, but they at least do investigative journalism and are at least somewhat interested in the facts*. The middle group? They're a lot more likely to be swayed by facts that outright sensationalism. It's why the right-wing wants to muddy the waters as much as possible.

      * Advantageous facts, but facts none the less. Stupid that the right refuses to fight facts with facts? No, they'd probably lose more than they'd gain.

    19. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure he's using the same definition of treason Trump uses when he agreed people not cheering him should be tried of treason.

    20. Re:curious what NYT/Facebook's thoughts are on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilarious...

  5. Mind boggled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >' I mean, who chose me to be the person that did that?" Zuckerberg said. "I guess I have to, because of where we are now, but I'd rather not."

    You did motherfucker!!

    Take some damn responsibility for your actions. You think those billions were free? With great something, something something, something? How does that go again?

    ffs.

  6. Found the LUDDITE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only apps can app apps, and Appbridge Appalytics was simply apping apps that app other apps! LUDDITE Mark Zuckerberg is jealous that he couldn't app apps while apping other apps!

    Apps!

    1. Re:Found the LUDDITE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, this schtick stopped being funny about ten seconds after the first time you posted it. Now it's just sad and tiresome. Get a new joke, for fuck's sake.

  7. Double? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    In what universe doubling 15,000 gets you 20,000?

    1. Re: Double? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When you start with 10k and are mid-process of doubling to 20k.

    2. Re:Double? by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Well it's called the Zuckerverse, and the number base is a decimal between 9.1 and 9,.5 (I think).

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    3. Re:Double? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1/3rd universe?

  8. Facebook needs shutting down permanently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Zuckerberg's billions seized.

    1. Re: Facebook needs shutting down permanently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh...if they shut down Facebook there won't be billions to seize. You don't think billionaires hold their assets as cash do you? It's all extrapolation, not intrinsic value. If you think about it, the last people to make a single share transaction dictate how much Zuckerberg is worth. If the company is dissolved, there is very little value left.

    2. Re: Facebook needs shutting down permanently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think billionaires hold their assets as cash do you?

      Most people are clueless as to how this works, so I'd bet they do think that. It's how they're hoarding all that money away from the economy and keeping it from the poor hardworking people.

  9. Entropy of information by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that thousands of apps have downloaded it, and each has backed it up to multiple locations, it should be simplicity itself to stuff that cat right back into its bag.

    1. Re:Entropy of information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Zuckerberg had a Cat?

  10. getting harder and harder to care. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    foreign election influence has been a mainstay of US foreign policy for sixty years. The same politicians without term limits who snored thorugh anti-communist proxy wars and endless US efforts to topple legitimate foreign governments are somehow entitled to have their musings on Facebook taken seriously? we wrote the book on this kind of chicanery and now its come home to roost.

    The fact of life we deal with now under the cheeto in chief is that Hillary clinton was a turd of a candidate being rammed through primaries like some kind of unstoppable force. The email scandal, her involvement with the US governments sabotage of haitian minimum wage, and her untenable platform of lecturing blue collar workers on austerity while dressed in a five thousand dollar dress should easily have cost her delegates. Sanders was the stronger candidate who tackled issues like Wall Street,climate and Jobs, but delegates filed in lock step with Clinton because it was just "her time?" Give me a break.

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    1. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shut the fuck up already. Fucking Trump voters..

    2. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no evidence we do this.

      Please post the evidence the US is posting on russian social media, in russian, for their ends. You don't have any evidence and can't find any

    3. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone who thinks the US "wrote the book" on foreign election influence is clearly clueless.

      Why write such pointless rhetoric anyway, if you understand so much about the topic, you know retaliation is just as much part of the show. Especially when a backwards mafia state dictator challenges a global power and tries to dismantle it's foreign policy apparatus.

      You're talking like you're looking back on a match when it has barely started.

    4. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >this butthurt

    5. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last election was a joke all of the primary candidates sucked the final candidates sucked. the democratic front runners were a Criminal and a Commie, and the criminal won. Republicans you had The Tactless Trump and the crybaby Cruse.

      I would bet if most of the people who voted for the current POTUS were polled you would find they were not voting for the no tact loudmouth so much as voting to keep Hillery out.

      ((Disclaimer Post coming from a Classical Liberal but in this currant political climate a fence riding moderate))

    6. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It is good to forbid government from telling The People how they must go around selecting candidates. One less thing to be inevitably twisted by those in power to maintain their power.

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    7. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Proof: The current impetus to pass laws to change those rules are driven by one faction upset their candidate wasn't the choice.

      They will fail at the SC if it ever gets that far.

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    8. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Agree nearly 100%. Only exception is the comey thing was a serious violation of the hatch act. She latched on and used it as an excuse, obviously, but it scares the absolute FK out of me the FBI (and possibly other agencies) are so openly political.

    9. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your anguish sustains me.

    10. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no evidence we do this.

      Please post the evidence the US is posting on russian social media, in russian, for their ends. You don't have any evidence and can't find any

      LMGTFY

      The US did it to Russia - fomenting a coup in Ukraine that led to the Russia-Ukraine war.

    11. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Notice how you never complain about the people who start the conversation, only the people who remind you how and why the camp you're shilling for lost nearly a thousand legislative seats, most of the governorships, both houses of congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, and the good will of millions of two-time Obama voters who walked away from the vitriol coming out of your employers' mouths.

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    12. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Butthurt

      Butthurt <--- This one

      Butthurt

      Butthurt

      Butthurt

    13. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I'd like to agree with you but there are serious efforts to stack the Supreme Court with less than honest judges. if we lose the judicial branch to corruption the US is totally fkd.

    14. Re:getting harder and harder to care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voice of America has been trying to influence Russians (Soviets) for a very long time.

      In the meantime, the Soviets/Russians have been trying to influence the US: From the Communist Party USA (founded in 1919) to Wikipedia edit-wars over MH17 in 2014, and of course, everyone's beloved "Russian Bots" that are responsible for everything from Trump's election to Global Warming and skin cancer.

      This is called 'diplomacy', and all countries do it. When Merkel spoke publicly about the 2016 US elections, it was an attempt to influence the US population. When Obama opposed the Brexit, it was an attempt to influence the UK population.
      It isn't anything new. So you need to suck it up and learn some history.

  11. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by ausekilis · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I gather, Trump used the Cambridge data as an alternative to GOP data - in case his own party decided to shaft him. This was data bought without users consent.

    Obama had a FB app that was optional and informed the users that it would gather data.

    Just did a quick read here, no idea how accurate or biased the writeup may be.

    TLDR; Trump bought data, Obama asked for it.

  12. Hey Zuck... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    ... did you ever hear the expression, "The buck stops here?" You should be aware of the privacy issues that have been facing Facebook for years. You should be aware enough of those issues to testify before Congress. Not some underling, but you. The fact that you admit that you do not know enough about Facebook's privacy issues to testify, means that maybe you are in over your head in your current position. Or you are hiding something.

    .
    You are a CEO of a huge company, act like one.

    1. Re: Hey Zuck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Yeah! You canâ(TM)t get away with saying you would be willing to testify. It should be you that testifies!

  13. Double Hypocrisy Special with extra Irony Sauce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it's abundantly clear the two campaigns have each committed mostly the same sins.

    - Over 99% of people in the data set did not give any consent at all and were included by proxy. Less than half a million opted in while 50-100 million did not.

    - The vast majority of people who consented also probably had no idea what they were agreeing to. CA's source collected data through a quiz, Obama did it through a facebook login and sharing tool.

    - In either case, retaining, analyzing and selling the data was against the terms of service. Plenty of smaller apps were being policed in those days.

    The only big difference is that Facebook was aware of Obama's shenanigans and looked the other way, while now they are cooperating and clamping down.

    It's only bad when the opposing team does it is the biggest disease on the left today. They are so convinced of their moral superiority, they are throwing out all the principles they are supposed to believe in, acting more like authoritarian traditionalists in the process.

    1. Re:Double Hypocrisy Special with extra Irony Sauce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when the opposing team does it

      George Washington warned of this in his farewell address. Maybe they knew something about human nature back then.

  14. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by nzkbuk · · Score: 0

    What's the difference between what Trump's team did and what Obama did in 2012?

    Obama did it with FB's blessing.

    From other news reports either FB or people at FB supported Obama

    Trump used a 3rd party company which didn't give FB their cut / fee

    How is what Trump did worse?

    see above

  15. Of course... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    ... Zuck's not publicly opposed to regulation now. He knows he's been caught, has to "do" or "say" something. His advisors will assure him, sooner or later, Facebook staff, lobbying and lawyers will guide the regulatory apparatus to stifle new competition.

  16. Pretty much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fred fails to opt out of 'platform enable' which Facebook counts as permission to sell the data of his family friends and business colleges. FB lets all that data be used for 'research'.

    Which is bollocks, Fred cannot give permission to hand over the data of people he knowns, and anyway Facebook turned this feature on by default, and Zuck knows the 'research' is really a catchall privacy excuse to sell data for any reason. Because rigging an election is "researching how to win".

    In this case Aleksandr Kogan of Cambridge Analytica realized he could get all that data with a simple Facebook app, Cambridge Analyitca spent $800,000 on the app, funded in part by Russia, he goes an sells the data, over in St Petersberg as a great way to rig foreign elections, and the rest is history.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/20/technology/aleksandr-kogan-video-facebook-cambridge-analytica/index.html

    Think of all that data in Facebook that's only supposed to be visible to a few people, actually slurped down, analysed, packaged up and handed to a Russian troll factory to be used against you. That's what FB is doing.

    Zuck's crocodile tears are meaningless, they set out to obtain and sell that data, and its what they do.

    Paypal too. Read their privacy policy. Any transaction you do on FB is up for sale to any government or business as data for 'research'.

    Your ISP's too, they sell the billing details against your IP address and a timestamp. No limits on the sale.

    1. Re:Pretty much by umghhh · · Score: 0

      I agree in big part of your post. Yet I have a problem with an item there. Do you think if it was say Germany or Luxemburg or say Bulgaria instead of Russia would it still be not ok to do what C.A. company did and what FB allowed?

  17. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moron. Trump is a Russian.

  18. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by nzkbuk · · Score: 1

    I forgot to ad Obama's team did it all within America where went foreign companies

  19. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama used the data to contact folks that actually wanted the hear his message and to raise money. Get it? Any most of those folks ASKED to be in on it.

    Cambridge did it behind peoples' backs. It was really sleazy. And coupled with Russia's meddling ...
    And looking at some of the retarded ads that they pushed onto people - I cannot believe people are so gullible. But then again, the Republicans are great at bait and switch or convincing folks that the leopard won't eat THEIR face but everyone elses.

    Seriously, you really need to get informed.

  20. Regulation? Made by his Congressional lobbyists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see how this is going to go.

  21. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by burtosis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From my post on this last article:

    I don't really feel like defending Obama because I disagree with a lot of what he did but explain to me this:

    Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping? Remember, it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly.

    Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?

    Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?

    Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?

    You may consider it splitting hairs, I certainly don't approve of Obama's use of invasion of privicy for his social media campaign, but this looks like a case of comparing theft of a stack of free newspapers to a bank robbery.

  22. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of them has colored skin. The other one was born that way.

  23. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I gather, Trump used the Cambridge data as an alternative to GOP data - in case his own party decided to shaft him. This was data bought without users consent.

    Obama had a FB app that was optional and informed the users that it would gather data.

    Just did a quick read here, no idea how accurate or biased the writeup may be.

    TLDR; Trump bought data, Obama asked for it.

    So FB was actively complicit in gaving away for free to Obama, that a normal company would have had to pay for?

    Hmm, did the Obama campaign report that as a political contribution-in-kind?

    I'm going to guess "No".

  24. Be nice if.... by svendsen · · Score: 1

    this much attention and overall public scrutiny had been given to the Equifax and OPM breaches. Those were actually serious breaches impacting a ton of people if very real financial ways (~143M people for the Equifax, and most of the DoD Personal for the OPM). Those blew over quickly with no changes at all.

    Versus information that people voluntary put up on FB and only seems to be an issue because targeted ads to support someone they don't like.

    1. Re:Be nice if.... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the bit about "friends of friends" also having their data scooped without their knowledge or consent by a third party application they had nothing to do with, and used to target them when they had no idea they were being targeted.

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    2. Re:Be nice if.... by svendsen · · Score: 1

      I missed that actually so thanks for the added info! But my overall view doesn't change. Look at everything Equifax did without consent (collecting real personal information that can destroy people financial, selling said data, lobbying congress to put laws in place to ensure these unregulated companies have full power of our financial lives, hiding data breaches, hiding the fact they made negligent security mistakes, etc.) and that blew over quickly and people in general don't seem to care.

      People gave FB general info. FB sold it (or 3rd party apps collected it). People are really shocked? I mean maybe I am giving to much credit to the average person but don't people realize anything you put on FB (and other sites where it is free to you) is no longer yours? Don't people know that when you put info up it is out in the wild? Don't people know they are the product being sold? Or again maybe I am just giving way to much credit to the average person. :-)

    3. Re:Be nice if.... by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      SFW quote-of-the-day:

      "People are f****** stupid".

    4. Re:Be nice if.... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Facebook goes out of its way to hide its nature. You and I are aware of what it's about, but as far as most people are concerned, it's a harmless way to give up a little information about yourself and in return stay in touch with a lot of distant relatives and not-too-close friends you otherwise would maybe email every once in a while, if at all. Almost nobody understands how powerful meta-data really is. They're shocked and dismayed when you tell them (and maybe prove to them) that just from harvesting information about their friends and "friends of friends" you can tell whether they're gay but pretending they aren't, fooling around on a spouse, pregnant, deep in debt, their physical location just about 24 hours a day, and a whole lot more.

      And don't forget Facebook also makes it difficult and frustrating enough to protect yourself (as much as you can) that even people who are uneasy might give up in disgust and put off securing their privacy 'til another day.

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  25. Who will it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If I did that I would go to jail. Who's going to jail over this?

  26. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also noteworthy : if things changed in 2014, did CA use data they pulled back then, before trump was even a candidate? or did they pull something new after the 2014 changes once hired by trump's campaign?

  27. Of course he isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be silly. "Having a meaningful conversation" here means he gets to set ("help shape") the rules.

    Rules mean, to a large company, a couple extra warm bodies in the compliance department. Changing the rules means greasing the wheels, for which they have the means. For a small company those same rules might well mean that the whole thing becomes a non-starter. So rules keep the competition out. So of course he isn't opposed to rules. He's got the means to make them work for him.

    1. Re:Of course he isn't. by bigpat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't be silly. "Having a meaningful conversation" here means he gets to set ("help shape") the rules.

      Rules mean, to a large company, a couple extra warm bodies in the compliance department. Changing the rules means greasing the wheels, for which they have the means. For a small company those same rules might well mean that the whole thing becomes a non-starter. So rules keep the competition out. So of course he isn't opposed to rules. He's got the means to make them work for him.

      Yes, there is very little barrier to entry for Facebook competitors. If anything the software and hardware are easier to set up today than they were 15 years ago. The only issue is getting your friends to try something new and younger people are doing that all the time so you could see attrition away from Facebook.

      Having more regulations would raise the cost of compliance and give Facebook a way to stomp out competition either before it gets started or as it gets big enough to be slowed down by regulators and the cost of compliance.

      How about Facebook stop performing psychological experiments on people for starters: https://www.theguardian.com/te...

      Intentionally harming their users just to see if they can.

  28. Prophesied in Song by chill · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Too Much, Too Little, Too Late
    Johnny Mathis and Denise Williams
    1978

    Guess it's over, call it a day
    Sorry that it had to end this way
    No reason to pretend
    We knew it had to end some day, this way

    Guess, it's over, the kicks are gone
    What's the use of tryin' to hang on?
    Somewhere we lost the key
    So little left for you and me and it's clear to see

    Too much, too little, too late to lie again with you
    Too much, too little, too late to try again with you
    We're in the middle of ending something that we do
    It's all over
    Oh, it was over

    Too much, too little, too late to ever try again
    Too much, too little, too late, let's end it being friends
    Too much, too little, too late, we knew it had to end
    And it's over
    It's over

    Guess it's over, the chips are down
    Nearly all our bridges tumbled down
    Whatever chance we try, let's face it, why deny
    It's over
    It's all over
    It's over

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    1. Re:Prophesied in Song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except this is the first time
      no love lost no love lim

      in the market for the right mirror
      shut this bitch up, show her her rear

  29. Hey Mark, thanks for selling us out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all that stolen capital being wasted on self-aggrandizement

    advertising steals our time and promotes crap

  30. Nothing new really by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    The value in Facebook is really the analytical data that Cambridge is claimed to have fondled.
    Nothing surprising really considering that he Facebook board is mainly composed of ex-alphabet mafia people.
    The whole thing is designed to get sheeple to post all of their juice details so that Facebook can sell trending data
    This in itself must be interesting considering that most Facebook users also have multiple accounts

    Zuckerberg: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
    Zuckerberg: Just ask.
    Zuckerberg: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
    Zuckerberg: People just submitted it.
    Zuckerberg: I don't know why.
    Zuckerberg: They "trust me"
    Zuckerberg: Dumb fucks

    1. Re:Nothing new really by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I was about to post that quote.

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  31. SIgh, You deserve this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course he's OK with regulation.
    It practically kills future competition because no one will be large enough (in the early days of a company) to "comply" with all the nonsense regulations of how to properly care for you damn cat videos and gossip.
    I would love to create a company and then pull up the ladder when it got big enough. Who wouldn't.
    If you down FB, get ready for the next social media company to be..... Chinese!
    When you screech at them about privacy, the response will be...
    "GFY round eye."

  32. Regulate away competition while we're vulnerable by swb · · Score: 1

    That's what it sounds like to me.

    Facebook has been able to spend its way out of some competing social media trends (ie, buying Instagram) and somehow buck others they couldn't (Snapchat), but mostly they were negotiating from a position of strength due to their network effect.

    Now that their actual business model is exposed -- "You tell me, I sell you" -- and they're facing real risks of large-scale disaffection or defection to other platforms, of course they're fans of regulation. Broad social media regulations to keep their existing competition in check and to keep out the next big thing which might turn them into MySpace.

  33. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    TV comedians and news broadcasters and Hollywood actors like Obama.

    TV comedians and news broadcasters and Hollywood actors love Trump.

    TV comedians now receive their jokes via Twitter, instead from their writing staff.

    Broadcast news is never dull and boring any more. There is always something bizarre and outrageous to report. And if there isn't, they can easily make up some fake news. There's so much of it now, that no one can really tell the difference any more between real and fake news.

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  34. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Kohath · · Score: 0

    Lots of questions about a dozen things that have nothing to do with Facebook. No actual answers to any of them. But yeah, bad feels are the only thing that matters so congrats on successfully communicating them and helping people to forget the original poster's question.

  35. Facebook is a piece of garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is Mark Zuckerberg. They could both vanish tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

  36. Ashes in your mouth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me, it's a bit of sweet "I told you so".

    When FB first became popular around 2009-2010 and "everyone" was getting on it, I hesitated.

    At first I didn't like the interface.
    Then I didn't like the "keeping up with the joneses" fakeness of it.
    Then I didn't like how much back stabbing and internecine bullshit was going on between people I knew who were on it.
    Then I didn't like it because of how much fucking time people were spending on it.
    Then I didn't like it because of other web sites were having users login using FB credentials.
    Then I didn't like it because users were experiencing emotional problems(anxiety, fomo, etc)
    Then I didn't like it because of the privacy violations.
    Then I didn't like it because people said "I had to" be on it.

    Now it has all come home to roost and I can really say "I told you so".
    But now that FB and other social media juggernauts have become so powerful, there really is no way to take that power back.
    The only thing people can do is get off now, and live your life without the weight, the shackles and the drag of "social media".

  37. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    I kinda got the same impression from OP, but perhaps there's something here ( never mind the delivery of the message ); the method of acquisition of the data is important, not necessarily the acquisition of the data itself, nor how said data was used?

    Still seems somewhat hypocritical given how this is being portrayed by the media.

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  38. Not sorry by DarkRookie · · Score: 2

    He is in no way sorry about this or the data they have collected.
    He is sorry they got caught.

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    1. Re:Not sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He also dumped a ton of stock before the scandal broke. Hmm, I wonder why, and why the media is not reporting it?

  39. Re:There should be no line on hate speech by boyfaceddog · · Score: 1

    Yeah. Sure thing there genius.

    And if I want to, say, hunt down who you are and hate-speech, ridicule, belittle and bully you into a public melt-down that's all right then?

    Fantastic, because all of your private moments are now public and if I have the means and the motive I most certainly will have the opportunity.

    Welcome to America 2.0. Freedom+$$$ vs Privacy+$$$. Let's see which one wins!

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  40. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    >Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?

    Absolutely.

    >Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods?

    No. They broke Facebook's rules by sucking up the social graph, and Facebook let it happen because they were sympathetic.

    Your other points don't strike me as particularly relevant. Political operatives are shady and undoubtedly all have dirt on their hands. Project Veritas managed to score similar conversations with the DNC. Yes, I know O'Keefe has a shady track record, but the video clips still exist.

    Fake news... You do realize the whole reason this catch phrase was such an own goal by the left wing press was exactly because they have such a long record of spin and partisanship? The contemporary social justice movement, which both Obama and Clinton eagerly aligned themselves with, is built on highly targeted moral outrage, smearing people as sexist and racist. The James Damore case didn't happen in a vacuum. Ethics in journalism remains a question they refuse to face the facts on.

    Finally, the foreign nationals charge strikes me as hollow since we're talking about the president under which international surveillance laundering became common practice, an act about which the people responsible lied about, with no repercussions.

    If there was ever a time to stop splitting hairs and unite people who have all been shafted by the same issues on different sides, it would be now. Instead it's more left vs right mud slinging in the ever narrowing overton window.

  41. Surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who didn't see this coming? When Obama uses big data, he's a genius.. When Trump does it, it's a problem that must be regulated.

  42. All large companies love love love regulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook is no different.

    Any sort of regulation on Facebook's business model inarguably and by definition will favor Facebook over their smaller competitors.

  43. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So to answer some of your questions:

    "Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?"

    Obama's campaign was the least transparent campaign in the last 50 years and has hired far worse organizations.

    "Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?"
    Possibly

    "Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?"
    Yes

    "Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping? Remember, it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly."
    Hiring foreign nationals isn't the same thing as buying the services of a company that employs foreign nationals in the eyes of the law.

    So to summarize- it's legal and okay when it helps the left, but awful and illegal when it helps the right or Trump.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/magazine/the-obama-campaigns-digital-masterminds-cash-in.html

  44. Hiding behind government by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    "I'm not sure we shouldn't be regulated," he said. "There are things like ad transparency regulation that I would love to see."

    Really? Then just go ahead and institute whatever it is you think the regulations would/should ultimately be. Not only would that significantly decrease the odds of the government stepping in and doing it for you, but we could all enjoy the supposed benefits of that regulation right now rather than years from now.

    But that would mean you would own the decision (and its consequences) rather than being able to say "the government made me do it." And that would take some cajones that this last week has strongly suggested are MIA.

    1. Re:Hiding behind government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to the point -- if he institutes these things on his own, then any competitors to Fakebook that come along will be free to institute them or ignore them as they see fit. If he can get the government to pass regulations, he can preemptively hamstring any future competitors by forcing them to comply with regulations that Fakebook will no doubt help write with an eye towards making sure the regulations are easy for his company to follow, since they already have a bazillion dollars to hire and pay a legal staff to keep up with the regulations, but which will be as difficult as possible for a startup competitor with limited resources to comply with.

      Look up "rent seeking" sometime. It's a myth that Big Corporations hate government regulations -- they love regulations, as long as the regs are crafted in a way that sets them up as a de facto monopoly because no one can afford the regulatory costs of trying to compete with them.

  45. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by will_die · · Score: 1

    > it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly
    The wording on laws is "directly or indirectly" and it is not illegal to hire foreign nationals for various work; donation and contributions from is illegal, directly or indirectly.
    If you have been checking with the news yes Obama did. The companies he hired contracted work out to foreign nationals.

  46. Back-handed by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Mark Zuckerberg has been doing a lot of apologizing lately and it all sounds very hollow, back-handed, and disingenuous. The best thing that one can do for themselves is to divorce themselves from Facebook altogether. Nothing good comes from having a Facebook account. Facebook encourages you to compare yourself to others and if you aren't as successful, handsome, or beautiful as they are then you psychologically feel really shitty. Furthermore, you are giving Facebook a treasure trove of information that it sells for huge profits. You've literally sold yourself to the devil. Honestly, Google, Yahoo, Bing, and their ilk aren't a whole lot better.

    1. Re:Back-handed by Alypius · · Score: 1

      It almost sounds as if his lawyers wrote his apologies for him!

  47. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't really feel like defending Obama because I disagree with a lot of what he did but explain to me this: "

    Then don't, this isn't about Obama. I don't care if Obama, Gandhi, Hitler, or George Washington did it. I don't justify actions based upon what Obama has or has not done.

    "Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping? Remember, it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly. "

    Don't care, its too late to punish Obama for any illegal activity. If he did, would it justify Trump in any way? Also I'm unaware of it being illegal to hire foreign nationals directly for a campaign. I thought it was illegal to hire foreign nationals to a decision making capacity.

    "Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?"

    Facebook's TOS are not laws. Unfortunately, in the US we have very lax data privacy laws.

    "Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?"

    Would it matter? The activity was either illegal or not. Transparency on illegal activity is not justification. Likewise lack of transparency on legal activity is not criminal. You are missing the entire point by somehow pitching what Obama did as the baseline of how campaigns are supposed to be run.

    "Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?"

    Mostly yes. He is a politician, that's what he does. People voted for Obama because he promised change and instead they got Bush Jr 2.0. Misguiding voters is not a crime. If you don't like it as a tactic then vote for someone else.

    "You may consider it splitting hairs, I certainly don't approve of Obama's use of invasion of privicy for his social media campaign, but this looks like a case of comparing theft of a stack of free newspapers to a bank robbery."

    You still miss the entire point. Theft is a crime, whether its newspapers or a bank. So the point here is:

    Did Trump brake the law?
    If the answer is yes then jail him.
    If the answer is no then move on and don't vote for him if he betrayed your trust.

  48. FB virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole of social media is a virus.
    And they never go away.
    Just change and morph by the CYA rules.

    'till the cows come home to roost.

    Where does the buck stop?
    'where the doe-dough-$ is__!!

  49. Big entry barrier [Re:Of course he isn't.] by XXongo · · Score: 2

    Yes, there is very little barrier to entry for Facebook competitors.

    To the contrary, there is a tremendous barrier for entry. A social network's value to a user is dependent on how many people are already signed up. A network starting up-- with by definition zero users-- has no value; it will basically have to invest money to effectively pay people to join until it has enough users to attract other users.

    The same is true for many systems-- dating services, for example.

    It's a vastly unstable system-- little operations stay little, and big operations grow nearly in proportion to their bigness.

    1. Re:Big entry barrier [Re:Of course he isn't.] by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A social network's value to a user is dependent on how many people are already signed up.

      That must be why Facebook only has three members then (Horseface & those two guys who actually created it).

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  50. Contradiction by XXongo · · Score: 1
    Lie? He basically contradicted himself in one sentence. The article says:

    He told the New York Times that Facebook would double its security force this year, adding: "We'll have more than 20,000 people working on security and community operations by the end of the year, I think we have about 15,000 now."

    If he's going to double the security force, he needs to go from 15,000 to 30,000. That's quite a bit over "more than 20,000".

    (Yes, technically 30,000 counts as "more than 20,000"-- but if he meant 30,000, it would have been just as easy to simply say.)

    1. Re:Contradiction by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Rather depends on the breakdown, i.e. how many were in "community operations", whatever the fuck that is.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Contradiction by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      Unless they've already hired 5000+ people this year.

  51. He isn't opposed to regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just opinions that don't align with his. What a tool. Their AOL moment can't come soon enough.

  52. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by burtosis · · Score: 1

    What is hypocritical to me is the obama did it so it's ok. Seriously people, if you aren't comfortable with data being used this way agree both campaigns made you uncomfortable (even if in different ways) and change the system. Two wrongs don't make a free pass to justify it as right forever more.

  53. Re:People asked in Obama's case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the contacts of all the people who installed Obama's app gave consent for their data to be scraped? Because that's exactly what happened and why it's just the same as what Trump did. Who's the clueless one here?

  54. Of course he's not by Alypius · · Score: 1

    He knows full well that--as a member of The Club--he'll be in a position to write his own "regulations." This is just his way of saying "Puhleeze don't throw me in that briar patch!"

  55. Double 15000 is 20000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What base are these numbers in?

  56. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False. I didn't want to hear Obama at all and I was getting nothing but spammed by his nonsense. I was sick and tired of the man before he even started running since I lived in Illinois. I tried warning people about him to no avail.

    That man singlehandedly brought the US down the wrong path, increased racial divisiveness, and really tried to turn us into his homeland of Kenya.

    I only wish I could have kicked his can out the door of the Whitehouse when he finally got out.

    Captcha: furlong.
    Use it in a sentence: This news is amazingly stupid and I hope it won't be news furlong.

  57. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    I'm undecided how I feel about it, actually. I thought Obama's use was innovative, which would make Trump's use derivative. Effective though, so I can't fault either campaign in it's use.

    Am I uncomfortable about privacy implications? No more so than I am about this life-leash we all carry around in our pockets that knows virtually everything about us.

    What I know I don't like is how everyone is making a big deal about Trump being a horrible person for doing what Obama did 4 years earlier and being celebrated for.

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  58. Regulation is a waste of time ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... because it's a goddam membership naivete problem.

    Facebook could spend more time/money educating its membership regarding the difference between bullshit and wild honey.

    Most people have grown up with the Internet and it's incorrect to suggest that they are duped.

    We don't fall for propaganda -- we embrace it and love it and feed it -- and we amplify whatever fits our world view.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  59. It was sod all use till Bell invented another one by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A social network's value to a user is dependent on how many people are already signed up.

    It's called the network effect.

    Sort of like when Leonardo DaVinci invented the telephone.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  60. The real goal here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was to bump Zuck off for the 2020 nomination.

  61. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by chispito · · Score: 1

    Obama had a FB app that was optional and informed the users that it would gather data...Trump bought data, Obama asked for it.

    So what you're saying is that in addition to investigating Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, Congress should also investigate all the Obama supporters that agreed to provide their friends lists? That's what we're after, right? Parties that give up other people's data without their consent?

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  62. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I uncomfortable about privacy implications? No more so than I am about this life-leash we all carry around in our pockets that knows virtually everything about us.

    So you are effectively disagreeing with what the parent post noted:

    Two wrongs don't make a free pass to justify it as right forever more.

    You're comfortable knowing that your privacy is invaded in one area, so you're comfortable with it happening in all other areas. This kind of mentality is frightening

  63. Zuck: Crony Capitalist Par Excellence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuck is a crony capitalist.

    He is not an actual capitalist.

    Crony capitalists, like Zuck, love regulation precisely because they control how it is written and implemented, to the destruction of their weaker, would-be competitors.

    1. Re: Zuck: Crony Capitalist Par Excellence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not "precisely". Even arbitrary regulation favors the incumbent market leader, because usually they're positioned to comply more cheaply through economies of scale. Megacorp can comply with all sorts of bogus nonsense that would drive mom-and-pop out of business.

  64. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    > Remember, it's illegal to hire foreign nationals directly.

    Remember: Christopher Steele is a foreign national.

  65. Re:There should be no line on hate speech by Stoned_Immaculate · · Score: 1

    Extra sour that they have thousands of moderators and all kinds of algorithms to detect and remove female nipples and other human body parts the poor Facebook citizens can't bear to see according to to "community-rules", but of course threatening, bullying and dehumanizing other people is much preferred over seeing what a human being actually looks like.

  66. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Anyone else detect a slight whiff of vodka?

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  67. Re: Double Hypocrisy Special with extra Irony Sauc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are political parties not f*cking teams!!! Goddamnit this is the worst thing about Americans and their politics. It's not the Bulls vs. the Celtics, where winning or losing doesn't mean anything. It's about selecting people to run the government, which will affect you and your country for as long as it lasts. Kind of important! Not teams!

  68. Pulling up the ladder by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Of course he wants regulation. Regulation will make it much harder for potential competitors to get started, helping Facebook maintain its market dominant position.

  69. So... by 101percent · · Score: 1

    Oh great, so further merging with the feds? It keeps getting better.

  70. Re:So what's the difference between Trump and Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama had a FB app that was optional and informed the users that it would gather data...Trump bought data, Obama asked for it.

    So what you're saying is that in addition to investigating Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, Congress should also investigate all the Obama supporters that agreed to provide their friends lists? That's what we're after, right? Parties that give up other people's data without their consent?

    Huge difference.

    When you friend someone you agree to let them have access to your data. Otherwise you wouldn't friend them. How fucking dumb you must be to think these are equatable.

  71. Its a TRAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now they've got everyone screaming for regulation.

    Guess what they're gonna get: Regulation!

    What are they going to regulate? Stuff on the internet!

    What is the stuff? Free Speech!

    Facebook is already violating everyone's privacy for their own profit and for the US Government. Why give them more?

  72. Re: People asked in Obama's case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're the clueless one. CA not only got the user who gave permission but scraped the user's entire network's data who didn't even know about it.

  73. Because it squelches his competition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zuckerberg wants Facebook to be regulated as a utility because that will foreclose any brand-new competition for him. He wants to be regulated. He's got his multibillions!

  74. Re:It was sod all use till Bell invented another o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called the network effect.

    Sort of like when Leonardo DaVinci invented the telephone.

    Wait, but who invented Kevin Bacon?

  75. I trust what Zuckerberg says ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... about as much as I trust what The Donald says.

    Zuckerberg, face it, you are an arrogant, sophomoric ass and people can't wait to see your brogrammer-boy company go the way of Yahoo!