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Apple Launches iOS 11.3 With Raft of Privacy Features (theguardian.com)

Apple is launching a major privacy push, with software updates across all its devices to introduce new data privacy information immediately, with an updated website offering new privacy management tools to follow in May. From a report: Thursday's updates (macOS 10.13.4, iOS11.3 and tvOS 11.3) are prompted by the enormous new European data protection regulation GDPR, and have been in the works since at least January. But they come at a good time for the company, whose head Tim Cook has been merrily capitalising on the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica scandal, publicly rebuking Mark Zuckerberg over the social network's business model. For users of the company's devices, the biggest change will be the introduction of a unified data privacy iconography, which now shows up alongside detailed information about how Apple uses personal data for its various first-party services. "Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right," the company will tell every user the first time they turn on their devices after the update, "so every Apple product is designed to minimise the collection and use of your data, use on-device processing whenever possible, and provide transparency and control over your information."

116 comments

  1. "Apple takes your money" by aliquis · · Score: 1

    "Apple takes your money, not your data"

    (Then again vendor lockin with photo software.)

    1. Re:"Apple takes your money" by hispeedzintarwebz · · Score: 2

      I'd pay money I can choose whether I want to pay over data I have little to no choice in providing. Just like I'd pay $30/year for a version of Facebook with no ads and where my data isn't being sold, if it were an option, and if I believed them if they provided it as an option.

    2. Re:"Apple takes your money" by ruir · · Score: 1, Informative

      Feedly in Android and iOS, no fb ads.

    3. Re:"Apple takes your money" by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple also takes money from Google (billions per year to make Safari the default search engine) and likely Facebook (for deep IOS integration). So Apple doesn't take your data - they let others do it for them, and they receive a rich reward to let them do it.

    4. Re:"Apple takes your money" by ruir · · Score: 2

      Pardon, Friendly.

    5. Re:"Apple takes your money" by zlives · · Score: 1

      your data is still monetized, again, as the public has been made aware, its not just the ads (bad enough, but a choice) you have to watch out for.

    6. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it is your option to link facebook to MacOS and to use Google in Safari.

      Weak argument.

    7. Re:"Apple takes your money" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And what kind of Data is the FB app taking from my iPhone?
      You seem to be an idiot.

      The App can not take any data without permission of the user, and those permissions are handled inside of the preferences of the device and not by the App.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    8. Re:"Apple takes your money" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      "Apple takes your money, not your data"

      (Then again vendor lockin with photo software.)

      WTF is your snarky parenthetical comment supposed to mean?

    9. Re:"Apple takes your money" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple also takes money from Google (billions per year to make Safari the default search engine) and likely Facebook (for deep IOS integration). So Apple doesn't take your data - they let others do it for them, and they receive a rich reward to let them do it.

      Apple kicked Facebook and Twitter Integration OUT of iOS 11.

      Do try to keep up.

    10. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. It's actually you who is the idiot.

      Apps do not need any permissions asides from Internet Access to spy on you (this is for any platform). Facebook can identify which websites you've gone to by simply correlating your phone's IP address with sites you visit (especially those that contain the Like button).

      Next time, pay attention to the ads presented in the app / site and what sites you've just recently used.

      There's no provided controls for this because it's all server side.

    11. Re:"Apple takes your money" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      It's the difference between shooting someone in the head yourself vs taking someone to a place where you know someone else will shoot them in the head, and then get paid for taking them there.

    12. Re:"Apple takes your money" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The point is on iOS no app can shoot you in the head, so your analogy makes no sense.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    13. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. And since money is fungible and data isn't, it's a huge win. Said another way, the price difference between Apple and Android is how much you've sold your data for.

    14. Re: "Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is excellent news!

    15. Re:"Apple takes your money" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Which likely means Facebook didn't want to pay Apple's price for allowing them to steal Apple's customers' privacy then. It seems Google is still happily paying that price, to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

    16. Re:"Apple takes your money" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I had no problems changing the search engine in Safari to DuckDuckGo. I doubt that Google pays Apple a thing if I do that

    17. Re: "Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you talking about? When did Safari become a search engine?

    18. Re: "Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is a retard that doesn't know shit from apple butter.

      Typical apple hater.

      Again, if he thinks Safari is a search engine, it make one wonder who ties his shoes.

    19. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show us your proof. Your crystal ball has fail you once more.

      Pick a user name that better fits a dumb ass. Like...

      JoeyRocksInYourHead.:)

    20. Re:"Apple takes your money" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Which likely means Facebook didn't want to pay Apple's price for allowing them to steal Apple's customers' privacy then. It seems Google is still happily paying that price, to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

      Wrap another layer of tinfoil on that hat, buddy

      How dark and dank a world you must live in, where everything is a conspiracy, and all people and corporations have no other motivation other than to see how much money and information and advantage they can gain on you.

    21. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all corporations are evil; just apple.

    22. Re:"Apple takes your money" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Wrap another layer of tinfoil on that hat, buddy

      How dark and dank a world you must live in, where everything is a conspiracy, and all people and corporations have no other motivation other than to see how much money and information and advantage they can gain on you.


      June 2, 2015: Apple's Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech On Encryption, Privacy - "Cook lost no time in directing comments at companies (obviously, though not explicitly) like Facebook and Google, which rely on advertising to users based on the data they collect from them for a portion, if not a majority, of their income."
      https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/02/apples-tim-cook-delivers-blistering-speech-on-encryption-privacy/

      January 22, 2016: Google Paid Apple $1 Billion To Keep Search Bar On Iphone - Secret Sum Surfaced in Transcript of Court Proceedings From Oracle Corp.'s Copyright Lawsuit Against Google
      http://adage.com/article/digital/google-paid-apple-1-billion-search-bar-iphone/302287/

    23. Re:"Apple takes your money" by hispeedzintarwebz · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Friendly helps the user experience a little bit (i.e. persistent sorting by most recent, blocking ads and "people we think you know") but does nothing to block data collection.

    24. Re:"Apple takes your money" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Wrap another layer of tinfoil on that hat, buddy

      How dark and dank a world you must live in, where everything is a conspiracy, and all people and corporations have no other motivation other than to see how much money and information and advantage they can gain on you.

      June 2, 2015: Apple's Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech On Encryption, Privacy - "Cook lost no time in directing comments at companies (obviously, though not explicitly) like Facebook and Google, which rely on advertising to users based on the data they collect from them for a portion, if not a majority, of their income."

      https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/02/apples-tim-cook-delivers-blistering-speech-on-encryption-privacy/

      January 22, 2016: Google Paid Apple $1 Billion To Keep Search Bar On Iphone - Secret Sum Surfaced in Transcript of Court Proceedings From Oracle Corp.'s Copyright Lawsuit Against Google

      http://adage.com/article/digital/google-paid-apple-1-billion-search-bar-iphone/302287/

      Google Being the default search engine (which you can change) is a FAR CRY from Apple handing over data THEY collect to them.

      So, is that the best you can do? Change your search to use DuckDuckGo, and STFU, Hater. You can do that in iOS and macOS.

    25. Re:"Apple takes your money" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Google Being the default search engine (which you can change) is a FAR CRY from Apple handing over data THEY collect to them.
      So, is that the best you can do? Change your search to use DuckDuckGo, and STFU, Hater. You can do that in iOS and macOS.

      Mr. Cook complains about Google's evil, privacy-invading practices, while collecting billions of dollars to enable Google's evil, privacy-invading evil practices from Apple's own customers. That is the best I can do because hypocrisy has never been done better than that.

    26. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(billions per year to make Safari the default search engine) "

      * make Safari the default search engine ... ?!

    27. Re:"Apple takes your money" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Google Being the default search engine (which you can change) is a FAR CRY from Apple handing over data THEY collect to them.
      So, is that the best you can do? Change your search to use DuckDuckGo, and STFU, Hater. You can do that in iOS and macOS.

       

      Mr. Cook complains about Google's evil, privacy-invading practices, while collecting billions of dollars to enable Google's evil, privacy-invading evil practices from Apple's own customers. That is the best I can do because hypocrisy has never been done better than that.

      So, do YOU want to answer all the Tech Support calls complaining about having DuckDuckGo being the default Search?

      Didn't think so.

      This is likely the same reason they switched back from Bing to Google a couple of years back. Sometimes giving the users what they DO want outweighs giving them what they SHOULD want.

      Of course you'll have some snide remark; but we both know I'm right.

    28. Re:"Apple takes your money" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh poor apple will have to deal with support call if all the little toy iphones are not exactly the same.
      Maybe apple should not target the technically incompetent.

      And not your not right. Arrogance and ignorance dont mean you are correct.

  2. Nothings safer than a raft! by Kenja · · Score: 1

    They have VERY few holes in them!

    --

    "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
  3. Apple remains on the forefront protecting privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You pay a little more for their devices, but that's because the cost isn't subsidized by whoring your privacy out to the highest bidder.

    By the time most people are aware of the tradeoff, it's too late.

  4. China is getting the root certs/keys so... by anthony_greer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    its all academic. it can be as secure as you want it to be but if Apple will willingly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the Chinese, i cant trust them to not do the same for the US, EU or anyone else?

    1. Re:China is getting the root certs/keys so... by MouseR · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about iCloud data centres in China. No longer storing keychains on iCloud.

    2. Re:China is getting the root certs/keys so... by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Can you trust a company to NOT comply with the laws of the countries they operate in? Probably not, no.

      --
      I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
    3. Re:China is getting the root certs/keys so... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I believe that's only for devices where you specific China as place of residence, then all data gets stored in a data center located there. But EvilSS pointed out, Apple didn't have a choice other than to not do business there. The problem isn't Apple, it's the Chinese Government; not that the US wouldn't try to do the same, or isn't at least trying now to pass some sort of legislation in the future. Between the Clipper Chip and PRISM, not surprised in the slightest.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
  5. who you trusting? by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    As much as I loathe Apple fanboy-ship, I have to admit that if there are a handful of companies that I trust relatively more about my privacy and data, it's Apple. They actually go out of their way to separate what lives on your phone versus is uploaded to cloud (and they don't want to be in the business of uploading certain data).

    Makes me think that they at least have a team on it, versus like a goddamn Verizon-built phone, or HTC, Huawei, or even a Google Pixel or Samsung (and their wild-west-it's-all-good use of Android).

    1. Re:who you trusting? by thunderclees · · Score: 1

      Too late, recall PRISM. Information was leaked by CitizenFour showing that Apple, amongst others was on the dole from the Feds selling access to its user base. Seifert D. (2013, June 6). Secret program gives NSA, FBI backdoor access to Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft data.

    2. Re:who you trusting? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      As much as I loathe Apple fanboy-ship, I have to admit that if there are a handful of companies that I trust relatively more about my privacy and data, it's Apple. They actually go out of their way to separate what lives on your phone versus is uploaded to cloud (and they don't want to be in the business of uploading certain data).

        Makes me think that they at least have a team on it, versus like a goddamn Verizon-built phone, or HTC, Huawei, or even a Google Pixel or Samsung (and their wild-west-it's-all-good use of Android).

      Exactly!

      At least SOMEONE has a brain around here...

    3. Re:who you trusting? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Too late, recall PRISM.
      Information was leaked by CitizenFour showing that Apple, amongst others was on the dole from the Feds selling access to its user base.

      Seifert D. (2013, June 6). Secret program gives NSA, FBI backdoor access to Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft data.

      That was likely a fake/forgery. Notice on the 4th "Powerpoint Slide", Apple is by itself WAY off to the side, and doesn't just show a date, like the rest of the entries. It looks to me like someone was desperately trying to "convince" the reader that this was "True".

    4. Re:who you trusting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it sure the hell is not you shilly.

    5. Re:who you trusting? by thunderclees · · Score: 1

      That was likely a fake/forgery. Notice on the 4th "Powerpoint Slide", Apple is by itself WAY off to the side, and doesn't just show a date, like the rest of the entries. It looks to me like someone was desperately trying to "convince" the reader that this was "True".

      No sorry, it wasn't. If you look at any of the documentation that was leaked, they used to have a copy on Cryptome you would have seen that Apple was on the list of corporations who took money for access. If it is any consolation M$ sold out before Apple.

      Also here:

      "PRISM/US-984XN Overview

    6. Re:who you trusting? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      That was likely a fake/forgery. Notice on the 4th "Powerpoint Slide", Apple is by itself WAY off to the side, and doesn't just show a date, like the rest of the entries. It looks to me like someone was desperately trying to "convince" the reader that this was "True".

      No sorry, it wasn't.
      If you look at any of the documentation that was leaked, they used to have a copy on Cryptome you would have seen that Apple was on the list of corporations who took money for access. If it is any consolation M$ sold out before Apple.

      Also here:

      "PRISM/US-984XN Overview

      I didn't mean that particular site's "proof" was forged. I submit the "original" PowerPoint "document" that ALL these "sources" cite is the SAME FORGERY.

      Show me some actual, official documents (not some fakey PowerPoint thing), and I might consider believing you.

      Until then, it didn't happen.

    7. Re:who you trusting? by thunderclees · · Score: 1

      The PowerPoint "thingy" was in the CitizenFour package... Don't be a lazy fanboi, Do the "Think" not just the "Different". Gellman and Poitras 2013, June 7. U.S., British intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

    8. Re:who you trusting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STOP LYING

  6. Will it download without my consent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what Apple releases do, wasting my bandwidth (Wifi can be metred too in a non net neutral world).

    1. Re:Will it download without my consent? by zlives · · Score: 1

      i think you are confusing them with MicroShaft

    2. Re:Will it download without my consent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, my Wi-Fi out here is mostly on a metered pre-paid connection. My Windows 10 laptop, I set the connection as "metered" and it refuses to download any updates when I'm on it, unless I tell it to. I have no such "metered" setting for my iphone, and it'll download app updates and whole iOS upgrades on the pre-paid data plan.

    3. Re:Will it download without my consent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, no, they don't, not unless you set them to in the settings. otherwise they nag you to regularly, but do not install or download on their own?

      Had no inadvertently set it to download automatically and forgotten?

    4. Re:Will it download without my consent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      then, go to settings and turn off automatically download updates.

  7. GDPR FTW, I think? by adosch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I gotta give it to the EU parliament for GDPR, I mean, it may not be the cage shaking of epic proportion, but it's something. That shit was never going to happen in the United States, ever.

    This still changes little to none --- ok, it makes us now aware of shit we always knew anyway, but decided to turn a consumer blind eye too because was saw something fucking 'shiny'. I hold myself accountable and gullible just as anyone else. It is not like eating that last Krispy Kreme doughnut in the break room when you know you didn't ever fucking need it? And doing it over and over again with each new social media platform you just had to be a part of, knowing full well that 'free' means a loosening the belt every time you sit back down at your desk until you gotta go buy new Dockers at Macy's?

    I see this as little more than altered perception comfort-food icon eye candy for all of us to say, "See look, this isn't as intrusive as this one!". It's just another dangly, shiny piece to distract you. It's just implied compliance to exactly to what was said, nothing more, nothing less, to make you feel better. There's still zero disclosure and whatever was given up, there's already a new, unknown backdoor way of just doing it under our noses again.

  8. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to see Freedom Warrior Tim Cook did not waver one iota in defending your essential liberties against institutional tyranny, unlike that spineless traitor John Chen who EAGERLY threw the Blackberry server room keys to whatever jackbooted government goon that came calling.

  9. Its hard to trust that it would stay that way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private is a right now, but later it can change. That's the problem with going with any cloud provider.

    What would be helpful is there were privacy-enhanced versions of apps and o/s's that didn't have any data collection built in at all.

    It's very concerning to sit down at a window 10 machine or google phone and know that you CANT TRUST IT.

  10. Apple believes that do they? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right

    If they believe it they should have no problem updating their legally binding privacy policy to state that fact.

    Actions not words Mr Cook, actions, not words. ... err or at least legally binding words rather than marketing soundbites.

    1. Re:Apple believes that do they? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right

      If they believe it they should have no problem updating their legally binding privacy policy to state that fact.

      Actions not words Mr Cook, actions, not words. ... err or at least legally binding words rather than marketing soundbites.

      Why?

      Then you'll just shift to the "Well, that COULD change." strawman.

    2. Re:Apple believes that do they? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Because marketing and legal binding agreements are two different things.

      Then you'll just shift

      Nope. Firstly it's much harder to shift a legal agreement without informing all users expressly of it. Secondly I don't shift goalposts or build strawmen. I just call it like I see it. So far we have nothing but "marketing" something which Apple is very good at. but no substance, something which Apple as of late also seems sadly good at.

    3. Re:Apple believes that do they? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Because marketing and legal binding agreements are two different things.

      Then you'll just shift

      Nope. Firstly it's much harder to shift a legal agreement without informing all users expressly of it. Secondly I don't shift goalposts or build strawmen. I just call it like I see it. So far we have nothing but "marketing" something which Apple is very good at. but no substance, something which Apple as of late also seems sadly good at.

      So, after yesterday's revelations about Apple, regarding their "in your face" Privacy Policies when first-running a version of any of their OSes, and the ability to download and DELETE any/all retained personal info (admittedly spurred-on by EU Edicts), don't you think those count as "Actions", legalese or not?

    4. Re:Apple believes that do they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actions forced on apple. apple only takes action when money is on the line or as PR marketing move.

    5. Re:Apple believes that do they? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Money is on the line. Apple makes money primarily by selling stuff to people. Apple wants happy, ergo repeat customers. If Apple gets caught not respecting privacy, after putting out marketing material like this, lots of Apple customers are unhappy and probably not repeat.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  11. Apple are cashing in, still working for NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they may not commercialize and sell your data for money, but if you think they aren't letting NSA and/or CIA take whatever they want, you are just kidding yourself.

    Safe from other users? Sure. Safe from the U.S. gov? No such thing when it comes to American companies in the tech sector.

  12. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too bad apple is a walled garden mess full of proprietary garbage that never really works the way you expect it work.

    do you still need itunes just to copy a file from your phone to your computer?

  13. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by grub · · Score: 3, Informative

    too bad apple is a walled garden mess full of proprietary garbage that never really works the way you expect it work.

    Keeping my information private is exactly how I expect it to work, and it works well.

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    Trolling is a art,
  14. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 0

    John Chen is ethnically Chinese, so this was bound to happen.

  15. also including by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a raft of new bugs.

  16. Only you and Apple and Jennifer Lawrence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can read your files now.

    Tim Cook leaked JL's photos FYI.

  17. Hey Apple by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    You better implement all of this for older versions of iOS and macOS too, otherwise you're going to be sued because some people are still using OS X 10.9.5 and iOS 9.

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    1. Re:Hey Apple by J053 · · Score: 1

      Ironic username is ironic...

    2. Re:Hey Apple by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Don't call me an iron.

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  18. Gotta love it, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    when Silicon Valley eats its own.

    Tim Cook has been... publicly rebuking Mark Zuckerberg over the social network's business model.

    Much as I hate the Zuck, it would be entertaining to see him to take Cook to task over Foxconn's shitty treatment of its suicidal employees. In SV, pretty much nobody's hands are clean. Glass houses, something something, stones.

    --
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    1. Re:Gotta love it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billionaire squabbles are the best. I hope one or both of them are reduced to simple millionaires for their companies antics.

    2. Re:Gotta love it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it would be entertaining to see him to take Cook to task over Foxconn's shitty treatment of its suicidal employees. In SV, pretty much nobody's hands are clean. Glass houses, something something, stones.

      yeah, that's the ticket to success in your world, tweet about old unwinnable arguments

    3. Re: Gotta love it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So while yes there were some employees at Foxcon who committed suicide, the overall rate was lower than China overall. Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.

  19. You have that backwards by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If they believe it they should have no problem updating their legally binding privacy policy to state that fact.

    They did, since the thing you click on to agree to the privacy policy after an update (that states privacy is a fundamental human right), is the legally binding thing.

    If you were referring to the website, well it doesn't have those exact words (yet), but it's obviously not the legally binding thing since it just sits there and I can ignore it.

    You seem pretty confused about how contracts and legality work.

    Actions not words Mr Cook

    These are actions, taken through an update to iOS. They are LITERALLY ACTIONS *AND* WORDS.

    You don't seem very clear on the concept of "Action" either, sad to say. But loose thinking is the hallmark of the Apple Hater after all, so it's not unexpected your post would get nothing right. Sigh.

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    1. Re:You have that backwards by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You don't seem very clear on the concept of "Action" either

      Neither is Apple given that they are saying two different things as you pointed out.

  20. That's China only though, and not willing by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple will willingly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the Chinese

    Who says it's willing? It's very unwilling, but it's mandatory.

    Apple has isolated China iCloud servers since China mandates full access. It's not like any citizen outside the U.S. will see any data held there.

    i cant trust them to not do the same for the US, EU or anyone else?

    I can because they (A) don't want to (B) don't have to (no laws in the U.S. and EU mandating access)

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:That's China only though, and not willing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple could have have the ethics that Google had and said no to China. But who am i kidding. apple has no ethics.

    2. Re:That's China only though, and not willing by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      i cant trust them to not do the same for the US, EU or anyone else?

      I can because they (A) don't want to...

      That's a cool trick! What number am I thinking?

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:That's China only though, and not willing by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Google said no to China? They happily bent over when China asked them for their intellectual property in order to operate there. Once Apple can get most to all its manufacturing to the WI Foxcon plant, it can stop bending over to China

  21. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    too bad apple is a walled garden mess full of proprietary garbage that never really works the way you expect it work.

    do you still need itunes just to copy a file from your phone to your computer?

    If you are talking about iOS, it hasn't truly been a Walled Garden since iOS 8, FOUR years ago.

    You can "sideload" any number of Open Source iOS Apps if you have a Mac and XCode.

    You can "sideload" any number of Closed Source iOS Apps as ".ipa" Files using the FREE Cydia Impactor. Runs on all major Platforms. And Linux.

    Both methods are officially supported by Apple.

    Please DO try to keep up, Hater.

  22. Enquiring minds want to know by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    Are they still logging encryption keys in plain text?

    Gotta admit, I'm having a lot of trouble getting over that one, that was a doozie.

  23. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bzzztt

    Apple provides developers with an ad impression interface on their dev console (there was a bug displaying another developer's ad info earlier this year).

    Answer me this: What ads are being reporting on? How are these ads being targetted?

  24. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure just give apple even more money for a small glimpse outside the wall that might be take away at any moment. Your a FOOL

  25. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You pay Apple extra for style, not for privacy. You can buy a cheap pc and protect your privacy with linux. Or a cheap android phone and replace the fb app with adblockers. Privacy don't cost much, there is no premium needed.

  26. Speak to me like a labrador retriever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk to me like you would, a 10-year-old child:

    How would IOS upgraded, patched, sewn, and braided, give me the current temperature, without me providing a hole-in-the-dike of privacy, my current whereabouts?

    I think I would just switch off and try and find a video news feed on display somewhere e.g. an electronics flat screen TV display store, or airport terminal ("ding" we have a fix on your twenty)

  27. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the time most people are aware of the tradeoff, it's too late..

    :-) Ironical, ain't it?

  28. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of fucking nerd would need to copy a file from phone to computer?

    Is that the best selling point of android now? If so no wonder smart people are leaving googles world of shit.

  29. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Arkham · · Score: 1

    bzzztt

    Apple provides developers with an ad impression interface on their dev console (there was a bug displaying another developer's ad info earlier this year).

    Answer me this: What ads are being reporting on? How are these ads being targetted?

    Do you actually want to know, because Apple is very forthcoming about it.

    https://developer.apple.com/do...

    When you follow that link you will see that Apple has deprecated iAd, and news stories will tell you that Apple doesn't sell this anymore. Even when they did, the privacy policy was a lot better than Google's.

    As a developer you could never get any user-identifiable information except an Ad identifier that was not unique to the device, only to the installation of that app on that device.

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  30. What about Apple? by rtkluttz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I had one your phones apple, how would protect ** MY ** phone from you? Why should I even trust you to make my security decisions and app choices for me? If you believe in the ideal that you speak of, then you would provide tools so that the OWNER of the device is the one in complete control. Why do your users have to use an encryption system that you are in control of and could potentially be forced to hand over the security keys to in the first place? Why can they not use any app THEY choose and any encryption system THEY choose?

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    1. Re:What about Apple? by DutchDopey · · Score: 1

      Yes, that would make it a lot saver for the average iPhone user..... Come on, that would have a dramatic impact on security, most people don't even think about security or care until they get hit.

    2. Re:What about Apple? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't think you have that quite right.

      If you run your own encryption, the key has to be available in memory, so it likely can be fished out of there somewhere. iPhones from the 5S onward have the Secure Enclave, which means the key isn't accessible by normal means. The security has continued to improve. Currently, the Secure Enclave generates its own key, which means Apple doesn't know what it is and can't get at it. See Apple's security guide for details.

      Therefore, Apple is providing encryption in a more secure form than you can.

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    3. Re:What about Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an obvious answer to that, if one only takes a look at how effective spyware makers are at getting your average Joe to turn off their security in order to install a new "helper", "cleaner", skin or tab bar.

      Having the user in "complete control" when the user has no idea what they are doing is... you understand.

  31. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except Google tracking everything you do on Android.

  32. watchOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    watchOS 4.3 is also updated today, for those with Apple Watches

    1. Re: watchOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uploading to my watch now

  33. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by unixisc · · Score: 1

    You misspelt 'ethically'

  34. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can "sideload" any number of Open Source iOS Apps if you have a Mac and XCode.

    You forgot to mention that sideloaded app only works for 7 days.

  35. Read title as "Raft of Piracy Features" by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't sure if that is a good thing or not.

    1. Re:Read title as "Raft of Piracy Features" by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      Not as good as a sloop or frigate of Piracy features!
      ARRRR!

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  36. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can buy an Android phone and never, ever register a google account to it. You can choose to instead get apps from the Amazon app store, or just only install sideloaded apk installers.

    How much can you do with that iGadget if you never, ever log onto your Apple account with it?

  37. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    What kind of fucking nerd would need to copy a file from phone to computer?

    The kind of nerd that also reads AC rants, I guess. Just yesterday I decided to download my pics n vids off of my new iPhone, which I had to get for work recently. I started up iTunes because, since it's a content mgmt system, it would manage *all* the media content on my fon. Nope. Not there. Ok fine, open up File Explorer to see what drive letter got assigned to the flash on my fon. Nope. Not there.

    Ok fine, I'll have to google it tonight. I don't expect that it'll be a big deal (unless they expect me to store my files in their cloud instead of my disk), and I'm sure there's a way that, er, "just works"(tm).

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  38. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's why Apple holds decryption keys for everything on iCloud and gives the user no way to control it with E2E.

    The Secure Enclave stuff seems pretty good but they also run a giant honeypot and encourage its use.

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  39. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by unixisc · · Score: 1

    What kind of fucking nerd would need to copy a file from phone to computer?

    Is that the best selling point of android now? If so no wonder smart people are leaving googles world of shit.

    The other way around - computer to phone - is common, and to do that for iOS, one has to have iTunes on the computer, be it PC or Mac. For Android, if the SD card is a secondary storage i.e. FAT32 formatted, the files can simply be copied, but for iOS, even if you have bought the songs or videos, you can't transfer it to, say, an iPod w/o having iTunes.

    I do agree, however, that that's not a good reason to buy Android. I have an iPod where I did use iTunes to transfer music to the device (it can't be done just by syncing that device to my iCloud account the way it can on either iPhone or iPad). That thing lives in my car, whose navigation system does have an iPod mode (like AM, FM, XM) but can only read an Android or Windows Phone via Bluetooth

  40. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Apple's idea here is that you would upload it to iCloud, and download it from there on to your computer. Only problem - if you have only the free iCloud quota of 5GB but more than 5GB of pics & videos, then you might want to upload it first to either Google Drive or OneDrive, and then download it to the computer.

  41. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pr by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Forget about downloading any apps then, or even using any of the preloaded apps that have since gotten upgrades. I recently did a reset of my HTC phone, decided to use it not w/ my gmail account but instead, a Hotmail account, and I was unable to use Google Play to download some apps that I needed. Incidentally, on another device, I had no issues using an AOL account to register the device, w/o including any Google account.

    As far as the Apple gadget goes, if you have, in iTunes, a backup of a previous device, you can copy that into your iGadget w/o logging into your Apple account

  42. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you don't read their terms of service or privacy policy then. Only their non-legally binding marketing speak keeps your data private. You only need to look at history to see how often words are changed. Keeping your own info private is the only way and that gets harder and harder as people mistakenly believe they can trust their favorite companies.

  43. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try opening Pictures, or whatever the f Microsoft calls their image viewer these days. Itâ(TM)ll offer to grab your photos from your phone. No need to open your music player to map a drive letter to your phone or whatever madness you were trying.

  44. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android phone: a case for your SD card that lets you read Facebook.

  45. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Thx, lol the madness, yes...I tried the apple way, I tried the windows way. If the photoapp way will work, good. I wonder if I'll have to get vidapp way to get my videos, and a fileapp way to get my files?

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  46. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting priv by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Well, chit. I was afraid of that. Thanks.

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  47. Waiting for Apple to add Startpage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's good that Safari allows DuckDuckGo, but DDG results are sometimes sub-par. I wish Apple added Startpage to the default search options. Secure and private Google searches are the best of both worlds.

    1. Re: Waiting for Apple to add Startpage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....Secure and private Google searches....

      Does such a thing really exist? If so, I will ride my unicorn right over to get some.

  48. CopperheadOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buying a "cheap Android" and loading it up with some rickety OS is a much bigger security problem than trusting Apple.

    If you're going to do Android, do it right and use CopperheadOS which is secure and well-supported.

  49. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? It is as simple as plugging it in, hit âoetrust this computerâ on your device, and then open Windows Explorer. Apple iPhone will show up as a removable drive. I do this all the time for field photos for work (phone geotags the photos GPS lat long).

    Note that with this method you can only copy and delete the photos and videos from the iPhone, but you cannot upload any to it.

  50. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too bad apple is a walled garden mess full of proprietary garbage that never really works the way you expect it work.

    It may be a walled garden, but it's certainly not a mess, and it always works the way *I* expect it to.

    Contrast with Android, where I downloaded a turn-by-turn navigation app. Driving for three minutes, the device went to sleep. OK, where are the app's settings to override sleep, and keep the screen on while the app is active? Nowhere. OK, where are the settings in Android to allow an app to have exceptions to the sleep policy? Nowhere. I have to get another app, with a list of apps that it tells Android are exempt from the sleep timeout policy. You may call that freedom from a walled garden, but I call it a shitty human interface.

  51. Re: Apple remains on the forefront protecting pri by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Which was my point! It's no big deal copying from the iPhone to the computer, but to move stuff from computer to iPhone, you need iTunes!

  52. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really!! More truths the LIAR THEFAKETIMCOOK leaves out of his INSANE apple defending.
    Id rather be a truthful apple HATER than a DECEPTIVE LYING sack of shit apple CULTIST spread untruths every time he TALKS.

  53. Re:Apple remains on the forefront protecting priva by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I don't need iTunes anymore. I can move files to or from my iPhone with iCloud or any multitude of third-party apps.

    I used to worry about the "walled garden" aspect but kind of like a homeowners association I like paying a little extra for Apple to keep the garden tended and free from weeds. I have little time to spend pruning and weeding myself when I could simply be enjoying the garden.