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Jailed Kansas 'Swat' Perpetrator Sneaks Online, Threatens More 'Swats' (kansas.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Wichita Eagle: Tyler Barriss -- the man charged in a swatting hoax that led to the death of an innocent Wichita man -- apparently got access to the internet from jail for at least 28 minutes [last] Friday and threatened to swat again. "How am I on the Internet if I'm in jail? Oh, because I'm an eGod, that's how," a tweet posted at 9:05 a.m. said.
Other developments in the case:
  • Another tweet from the Barriss account 19 minutes later asked who was "talking shit," warning "your ass is about to get swatted." And nine minutes later his final tweet from jail bragged, "Y'all should see how much swag I got in here." The county sheriff's office blamed an outside vendor's improper software upgrade to an inmate kiosk, arguing that 14 inmates potentially had full internet access "for less than a few hours."
  • 25-year-old Barris is still in jail facing an 11-year prison sentence, noted a Twitter user who responded to the tweets. "This will play well at sentencing when you're pretending to be remorseful and asking the judge for mercy."
  • Meanwhile, the Wichita police officer who mistakenly fired the fatal shot that killed a 28-year-old father of two will not face charges. The district attorney concluded that several of the officers closest to victim Andrew Finch thought he reached down to pull up his pants, leaving his right arm hidden from the officers, the Wichita Eagle reports. "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."
  • "This shooting should not have happened," said the district attorney. "But this officer's decision was made in the context of the false call." Finch was shot 10 seconds after opening his front door, and his family's civil case against the police department is still going forward.
  • Two other gamers involved in the shooting -- including one who allegedly hired Barriss over a $1.50 bet in the game Call of Duty -- have not been charged with a crime.

285 comments

  1. Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Enjoy your multiple years in solitary confinement now.

    1. Re:Sorry? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Making it obvious to jail staff that your prison privileges MUST be severely restricted for the rest of your stay seem pretty self-destructive to me. This guy needs to ask himself, "Was it worth it?"

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should just shoot his ass and be done with it. Garbage like that doesn't deserve to live.

    3. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOT shoot his ass, shoot him in the head. It will works to change his mind about swatting, once and for all !

    4. Re:Sorry? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even more self-destructive: making it obvious to your fellow inmates that their privileges are now severely restricted on account of your dumb stunt.

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    5. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea he pretty much blew up the spot. Made the block hot. The pigs is onto that scheme now. Close shop open up another scheme. Rinse wash repeat.

      Cat and mouse game.

    6. Re:Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I feel that this guy isn't evil, he is just phenomenally dumb. I pity him.

    7. Re:Sorry? by gnick · · Score: 2

      This guy obviously has some self-destructive tendencies, as evidenced by the behavior that landed him where he is now. With some people, it's not that they don't know the consequences, it's that they've got their wires crossed and opt to self-destruct. Drug addicts opt for a quick high in the face of obvious self-destruction too. After a while, even the high goes away and only the hard-to-break habit of destroying yourself remains.

      He wasn't after the high; he was just clinging to a familiar method of self-destruction.

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    8. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they aren't. He got full interview access due to a bug. It was only half an hour. He deprived other inmates of nothing.

    9. Re: Sorry? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Please tell us you're not really that dense.

      He couldn't resist the urge to flaunt it, and got it taken away from all of them much faster than if he had. And they all know it, too.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    10. Re:Sorry? by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      He's retarded, he don't care. He'll probably get a short jail sentence knowing our lame criminal penalty system.

    11. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is possible to be both evil and stupid. Having said that, I fear the ubiquitous unthinking incompetence of idiots far more than the rare member of humanity that does evil for evils sake.

    12. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he took away their ability to screw themselves in the same manner he did?

      Who is being dense?

      "And they all know it too."

      Way to be a drama queen.

      Did you even read the summary? It's only 14 other inmates. That's it. Nobody else was even affected. Only 15 inmates could even use that kiosk and you're acting like he shit on the whole population.

      This kid is proving all the prison danger hysteria to be lies. They say if you're a nerd and you go to prison you won't survive. And this guy is in prison, an autistic nerd who likes to piss people off, still thinking and saying he's a god.

    13. Re: Sorry? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me: "doesn't." Of course, if your mother and father are also brother and sister, keep on using "don't;" it fits.

    14. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but the guy we're talking about is retarded.

      So he literally don't care.

    15. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pity is no reason to spare a dangerous beast. To do so is to be complicit in his actions. Especially after society has determined he should be locked up because he hurts people. It doesn't matter how. Knowing how someone got shot doesn't put their brains back in their head.

    16. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this: scan his brain in a CT machine while allowing him to place a (fake) swat call. See which area lights up. Rig up one of those helmets which can localize signals in the brain. Then punch him in the taint anytime that area of his brain lights up.

    17. Re: Sorry? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Now I get it--you're defending him.

      What a fucking waste of time and electrons.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    18. Re: Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eggies! I would like to.... smash 'em!

    19. Re:Sorry? by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      They could make a BuzzFeed Video about it: "...worth it?"!

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      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
    20. Re:Sorry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I feel that this guy isn't evil, he is just phenomenally dumb. I pity him.

      Seriously, you are too gullible in human behavior. He is not dumb at all; otherwise, he couldn't pull this prank at all. He is just a psychopath who likes to cause troubles and laugh at it. He doesn't care what consequence is going to involve lives. If you think he is dumb, you are actually the one instead.

    21. Re:Sorry? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      yea that's probably where the universe would balance out in its own irrevokable way but tbh ... phones in jail ? who ever heard of THAT ? omg

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      Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
  2. Ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This kid apparently hasn't learned his lesson. Unfortunate, really.

  3. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can Kansas even afford to jail this guy? Last I checked they were running rampant with "john galt" politics barely even able to keep their schools open.

    Let me guess, private funding is innovating the "justice system"?

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      snowflake detected

    2. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      snowflake detected

      Moron detected. Clearly you're too stupid to understand sarcasm.

    3. Re:lol by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      That depends, is it cheaper or more expensive than a few SWAT raids?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    4. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poe's Law is a thing.

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Threatening to swat people on twitter is fine. Using twitter to communicate with North Korea and China in an attempt to start an apocolypse in the US is fine too. (Lookin at you Trump.)

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Detected the fool who doesn't know what the meaning of snowflake is.

    7. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can Kansas even afford to jail this guy? Last I checked they were running rampant with "john galt" politics barely even able to keep their schools open.

      Let me guess, private funding is innovating the "justice system"?

      "John Galt" types take personal responsibility seriously and are completely fine with spending the money on jails to incarcerate the scumbag (the swatter, not you). His irresponsible actions likely led to a death. Progressives like you would rather fret and whine over what victim classes are represented more in jail.

    8. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can Kansas even afford to jail this guy? Last I checked they were running rampant with "john galt" politics barely even able to keep their schools open.

      Let me guess, private funding is innovating the "justice system"?

      "John Galt" types take personal responsibility seriously and are completely fine with spending the money on jails to incarcerate the scumbag (the swatter, not you). His irresponsible actions likely led to a death. Progressives like you would rather fret and whine over what victim classes are represented more in jail.

      You left out "and blame it all on whitey!" in your description of the "progressive" I'm-the-bigger-victim contest.

      Yep - handgun murders of blacks by black Chicago gang-bangers are the fault of rural white owners of AR15s. Yep - that's a "progressive thought".

      I'm really starting to believe that an actual "progressive thought" is something like an "insomniac cat". In theory, it has to exist. In practice, no one's ever really seen one.

    9. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody believes what you wrote lol.

      Sometimes I think you people just create boogeyman because you ain't got shit else to bitch about.

    10. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Threatening to swat people on twitter is fine. Using twitter to communicate with North Korea and China in an attempt to start an apocolypse in the US is fine too. (Lookin at you Trump.)

      Trump does not need to threaten to swat people. Executive privilege means he can just order them killed by the CIA regularly without inconveniencing the police. A bit weird for something calling itself a republic, but there you are. Poor Nixon had to break the laws to get a fraction of the shit done handed to today's presidents on a platter.

    11. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throw some controversial statement into the room and watch how morons from all sides go apeshit about it. It can be observed in almost all political articles here on Slashdot and of course comment sections pretty much everywhere else. You could say people get 'triggered' easily by any nonsense that rubs their sensitivities the wrong way.

    12. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He is correct. Look at that Canadian farmer who shot one of the natives who was trying to steal stuff (again) from his property. The farmer was found innocent in court, but all you hear in the news is how the white man is evil, how another white man has shot a poor native out of racism, how the government should do something about racism. Bullshit. We all know it but you progressive hypocrites bathe in this disgusting cesspool of lies instead of addressing the real problems.

    13. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Instead of addressing the real problem"

      Which is? Oh, I'm sorry, was that code for "the minority did it, white power"? Because that's how it reads

    14. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you really can't. That only happens in your imagination.

      In reality, the rest of us go "boy, that was stupid," sometimes point out that it's stupid, and then move on with our day.

      Nobody actually gets angry at this stuff except you, thinking everyone else loses their shit is psychological projection

    15. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're projecting.

    16. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was humor your idiot.

    17. Re: lol by koomba · · Score: 1

      Hmm or how about the 14 year old kid who knocked on a neighborhood door to ask directions to school, because he had missed the bus? They of course were polite and more than happy to help the kid out...

      Oh wait, the kid was black so actually the woman started about how "your kind" is always trying to rob her, then the husband comes raging out the door with a shotgun and attempted to murder the kid. He only failed because he forgot to turn the safety off the first time he pulled the trigger, and so missed by time he actually got a shot off.

      Yeah that's a totally reasonable response to a14 year old kid knocking on your door asking for directions. There's no way race had anything to do with it...

    18. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >14 year old kid who knocked on a neighborhood door to ask directions to school, because he had missed the bus?

      A teenager who doesn't know where his highschool is? If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you.

    19. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like someone just projected on his face.

    20. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're projecting, but with bells on!

    21. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're following Trump logic, and the school teachers are serving double duty as prison guards.

  4. Cops investigating themselves by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When cops investigate themselves it's always justified.

    --
    That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
    1. Re:Cops investigating themselves by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."

      Yep. Not possible. You can't reach for a gun when there is no gun. Use of deadly force is only justified when there is a reasonable belief of a significant threat. Without seeing a weapon, the belief is unreasonable. The officer should be in prison for manslaughter.

      --
      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    2. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Even in regular everyday work, cops can make up any excuse they want and nobody can refute it.

      "Why'd you pull me over? I wasn't speeding, everything on my car works, plates, registration, etc.."
      "Oh, it looked like you were kind of weaving back there"
      Sure...

    3. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's watch the footage. Surely they aren't just taking the officer's word here...

    4. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't reach for a gun when there is no gun.

      You have to understand, it's the evolution of the justified use of deadly force. First it was, a suspect has a gun pointed at a person. Then it was, a suspect has a gun in his hand pointed down/at no one. For a while it was, a suspect might have been reaching for his visible gun. Now it's, a suspect may have been reaching for a gun. In the future it will be, a suspect may have reached for a gun.

      Officers got to be careful. If it results in a few unpunished execution of innocent civilians, well that's just something society has to tolerate.

    5. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      oh sorry, dashcam on my cruiser must have been malfunctioning or lost at the station after downloading.

    6. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A hostage scene implies hostages. That means that if the cops shoot first and without verifying whether the target is a threat, they're likely to shoot the victims instead of the attacker.

      "We had to shoot the hostages to save the hostages."

    7. Re:Cops investigating themselves by sphealey · · Score: 4, Informative

      What has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of the actions taken by the person who called police units armed for deadly force and falsely claimed that there was a hostage situation in progress. That person is responsible for his own actions and if his actions directly resulted in death or injury he is legally responsible for those under various criminal and civil laws as well.

    8. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or get all the hostages executed.

    9. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      This is not true. While the cops may be stretching the truth or outright lying, it is reasonable to suspect someone reaching towards their wasteband to be potentially going for a gun, especially one unseen on the other side of the body that cannot be seen, or a pocket, or a waistband, mayne covered by a shirt.

      More Monday morning quarterbacking. The error here is definitely the false swat and maybe the cops, but if so, not because of what you said.

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      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    10. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two points:

      1. You are an idiot.

      2. The policeman was a sniper who shot an innocent man in the brain from behind cover 150 feet away. No officer would have been in danger from anything he had in his pocket. The victim didnâ(TM)t even know what was going on. No way this was justified. But since the police followed procedures, he is immune from prosecution.

    11. Re:Cops investigating themselves by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. They might with equal (un)reasonableness claim they thought he was reaching for a Beanie Baby. Every time you see someone putting a hand in their pocket, do you think they're going for a gun? If so, you're unreasonably paranoid. It's unreasonable because there was no evidence of a gun, and any assumption there might have been one was unsupported by facts, which are the basis of reason.

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      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    12. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not true. While the cops may be stretching the truth or outright lying, it is reasonable to suspect someone reaching towards their wasteband to be potentially going for a gun, especially one unseen on the other side of the body that cannot be seen, or a pocket, or a waistband, mayne covered by a shirt.

      So? That's a reason to pull your gun and yell a warning. Not a reason to shoot. If you already pulled, you have the drop on the criminal.

    13. Re:Cops investigating themselves by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."

      Yep. Not possible.

      All other points aside, you seem to have overlooked the word "thought."

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      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    14. Re:Cops investigating themselves by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Every time you see someone putting a hand in their pocket, do you think they're going for a gun?

      This is not "every time" though, is it? And many other times are not "every time." This is armed officers responding to a report of an armed man.

      There are times - and I'm not saying this was definitely one of them - when yes, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that someone reaching for a pocket is reaching for a gun.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    15. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand if he had not pulled his pants up, the cops would have charged him with lewed and indecent behavior. Having no pants on in front of cops and the neighbors is an arrestable offense.

      But it is better to be arrested than shot. That is why I never answer my door with pants on. There is just too much of a chance that I will reach in my pocket for something, or adjust the position of my pants and get shot.

    16. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without seeing a weapon, the belief is unreasonable.

      Absolutely not, a gun fired from a jacket pocket is still just as deadly as one you can see. If the shooting isn't justified it would have to be on other grounds, not whether or not he could see a weapon. He had been told the guy was armed and dangerous. Now maybe his supervisors fucked up because the intel was not credible, but that officer had been told the guy would shoot him if given the chance.

    17. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      In the near future, suspects "may show a future interest in obtaining the information necessary to obtain a firearm... or a butter knife."

    18. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it is reasonable to suspect someone reaching towards their wasteband to be potentially going for a gun

      It doesn't matter. If you carry a firearm for a living, you had better be cool, calm, collected... and skilled enough to be able to neutralize a threat when the presumed firearm appears in the suspect's hands and no fucking sooner.

    19. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're hardly cops. They're basically military, they show up with tanks and automatic weapons and explosives. They gladly break down doors and shoot at unarmed people, unless people are being massacred in which case they wait for backup.

    20. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use of deadly force is only justified when there is a reasonable belief of a significant threat. Without seeing a weapon, the belief is unreasonable.

      The police are called to premises at which they're told a hostage situation is in progress, with an armed gunman ready to execute several civilians, and a man opens the door and reaches for his waist ... and you say it's unreasonable for them to believe there's a threat until they actually see the weapon? Maybe you think it's not reasonable for them to believe it's a threat unless they verify that it's loaded, too?

      I mean, this is a terrible case. They deployed a full guns-blazing SWAT team in response to a single phone call, which could have been (and was) a prank. I severely doubt that the victim actually reached for his waist, and wouldn't trust the police claims unless they were backed up by video evidence. The police were sexist as hell - there's next to no chance they'd have fired if the victim were a woman. And their coordination should have been good enough that the police at the door would know Barriss was still on the phone call, so the guy at the door *had* to be uninvolved. But your objection just ... stinks.

    21. Re: Cops investigating themselves by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      "Shoot the hostage."

      It worked for Kianu Reeves.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    22. Re:Cops investigating themselves by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The police are told that there's a hostage situation. Why would the hostage-taker come out and get shot, when it's just as easy to send a hostage? The information clearly implied that there were innocent victims there.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    23. Re:Cops investigating themselves by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, any citizen has the exact same right of self defense - the right to use of deadly force when there is a reasonable belief of a significant threat.

      So, do you believe that you can shoot anyone you see in a dark alley who sticks their hand in their pocket, and then claim self-defense? How about if you see a cop reach for his weapon, clearly visible on his hip - can you shoot him because he presents a threat?

      --
      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    24. Re:Cops investigating themselves by AC-x · · Score: 1

      "Look out, they're coming right for us!"

    25. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter. If you carry a firearm for a living, you had better be cool, calm, collected... and skilled enough to be able to neutralize a threat when the presumed firearm appears in the suspect's hands and no fucking sooner.

      What you advocate is a nice idea in theory, but if you think a cop is going to risk his own life when dealing with some lowlife idiot, you're
      living in a dream world.

      No wonder you like Type 44 Audis ... you are too stupid to afford a newer one.

    26. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      That's okay, the cops did too.

    27. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Marful · · Score: 1

      Except cops don't have to actually identify a threat, they can just pretend that there might be a threat.

      They can merely imagine that someone might have a gun, and then claim to be in fear of this imaginary gun that the person might (but is never verified to) have.

      In short, cops get to imagine all sorts of stuff, and then justify their actions based on their imagination. How this fucking flies in court is beyond me, but you (referring to the general American populace) stupid motherfuckers who end up on the jury keep letting this bullshit go because somehow, cops are all "heroes"...

      P.S. FUCK YOU to the Jurors that keep giving a pass to cops who do this bullshit.

    28. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Cederic · · Score: 1

      it is reasonable to suspect someone reaching towards their wasteband to be potentially going for a gun

      I don't think that's reasonable at all, but lets pretend you're a paranoid murdering police officer for a moment and agree: So you suspect someone may be potentially going for a gun.

      The correct course of action here is heightened alertness, not killing an innocent unarmed man.

      The US desperately needs the UK's ability to bring private prosecutions, so that the man's family can bring criminal charges against the murdering cunt that killed him.

    29. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Cederic · · Score: 1

      if you think a cop is going to risk his own life when dealing with some lowlife idiot

      The cop's life was not at risk, and he was not dealing with some lowlife idiot.

      He _is_ the lowlife idiot.

    30. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      No wonder you like Type 44 Audis ... you are too stupid to afford a newer one.

      I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for your post... lead poisoning, perhaps?

    31. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      some lowlife idiot

      That would be "innocent lowlife idiot" to you, moron.

    32. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In prison for murder, 25-life, general population. Set an example for other cop scum who shoot without thinking.

    33. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 0
      But okay, I'll take the bait: one of the primary reason why serious motorsports enthusiasts love the original Quattros (Quattro Coupe, 5000/100/200, ur-S4/S6) so much - besides the bulletproof AWD drivetrain) was the legendary 2.2liter straight-five - the very same family of engines that recently powered the the world's fastest sedan.

      How 'bout them apples, moron?? ;)

    34. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      1,100 fucking horsepower from a 2.2liter engine. That's over eight fucking horsepower per cubic inch. Let's see someone try that with your newer Audi...

    35. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Oops; 1,100hp at the wheels... that's likely well over 1,500 crank horsepower (that's the one downside to the torsen center diff: quattro transmissios are quite a bit less efficient than conventional transmissions)...

    36. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you get modded up...You can assume there is no gun unless there is reasonable belief there is no gun.

    37. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >not possible

      It's not possible to be mistaken?

    38. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nibberizing progressive hoooodleem? Reacher ? Shoot'em ?? Of-course ! BANG!

    39. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very conservative here ... Cool & calm professional officer ?? Not what I see on dozens of U-Tube vids. The swat-swater-swatest mindset has totally taken over / usurped classic police work. In car, on foot or cycle-riding cops mean to intimidate! The thugs-in-blue are an armed dangerous occupying force, not the clear-thinking citizens servants meant to protect and defend. They are prepared for ... whatever their masters have prepared for ...

    40. Re:Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, any citizen has the exact same right of self defense - the right to use of deadly force when there is a reasonable belief of a significant threat.

      Yes and no. Yes if you are in your own property and the other is also in your property. However, always "no" if the other is law enforcement regardless. In any situation, you should never raise a weapon against law enforcement. You should follow the command and then deal with the false later. If you do, they have the right to do whatever they can to stop you including arm force.

    41. Re: Cops investigating themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get what any of you are saying, how about a car analogy?

  5. Really? by DewDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My question is how has this person not violated Twitter's TOS and had his account suspended? The fact it wasn't disabled in the first place is as mind-boggling as how he was able to access it from jail. But hopefully this incident will be brought up at his trial so the judge can see how little remorse he has and that any remorsefulness shown in court is just perjury.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What'll also be funny is when he runs out of ways to get fellow inmates on the internet so that he's no longer got a bargaining chip to save himself from being made someone's bitch.

      With that attitude, this kid's coming out of jail with a severely stretched anus.

    2. Re: Really? by Millennium · · Score: 1

      I'd honestly just rather see him piss off the wrong person and get himself put out of all our misery. Swatting is attempted murder. It's time we treated it as such.

    3. Re: Really? by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Swatting is attempted murder. It's time we treated it as such"

      And if someone who's unarmed is shot, the cops should be charged, too.
      http://www.kansas.com/news/loc...

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    4. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Twitter is a bunch of pussies

    5. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep ... a citizen could just smash-face that gamerboi swatski ... break his fingers break his jaw ... no more dribble and no more paw.

    6. Re: Really? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      No, it's only attempted murder if you can show that murder was the intent. In the case of swatting, the offender is merely an idiot. Not attempted murder. You could probably convince a court that it constitutes reckless endangerment though.

    7. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is, he is not posting conservative-leaning content and presenting himself as a conservative. If that were the case he would be locked out toot-sweet.

    8. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you again Sergei?

    9. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's only attempted murder if you can show that murder was the intent. In the case of swatting, the offender is merely an idiot. Not attempted murder. You could probably convince a court that it constitutes reckless endangerment though.

      Nope. The invented backstory was aimed at maximizing the likelihood of a life threatening situation. It wasn't his first swatting either. It is clear that he would have continued upping the ante until he got someone killed out of thrill. That's pretty much the definition of premeditated murder attempt, killing a person for lowly reasons (in this particular case, it would appear he also let himself be paid a nominal sum, making this additionally a matter of pride). That you'll pick a different victim should your current target make it off alive doesn't change that.

    10. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      manslaughter

    11. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's attempted murder if you're reckless with someone's life.

    12. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "conservative leaning material" you mean "Nazi related racist hate speech" then sure, otherwise you're an idiot

    13. Re: Really? by toddestan · · Score: 2

      I would argue it's felony murder. Even if he didn't intend for someone to get hurt, nevertheless someone died as a direct result of the crime he committed.

  6. Robert Paulson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His name is Justin Rapp.

  7. No more internet for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Barring some legal entitlement to the internet that I am not aware of, this guy won't be using the internet for a long time.

    Oh, if his lawyers were trying to get him bail, their job just got a lot harder.

    1. Re: No more internet for you by James+McGuigan · · Score: 2

      Bail was already set at $500,000... which may have been slightly outside of his price range

  8. Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of the actual shooting, not of cops standing around with their weapons drawn like posted, I'll have to assume the cops are lying.

      Because they are saying that with their weapons drawn, they are afraid that someone is fast enough to draw a gun from behind themselves and take them out?

    Seriously?

    No matter how you slice it, the cops overreacted.

    1. Re: Unless there's a video.... by GWXerog · · Score: 0

      Don't talk shit about subjects where you're clearly undereducated

    2. Re: Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make me stop.

    3. Re: Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't talk shit about subjects where you're clearly undereducated

      How much education does it take to know that shooting an unarmed man based on what you THINK MIGHT be happening is wrong? Apparently, more than the cops involved have had. He made a mistake and he gets off scot free. That's why more and more people have no respect for the law today.

      By their logic, if I'm walking down the street with my legal, concealed handgun and I see someone reach for the waste I can just blow them away. After all, I might have been killed.

    4. Re: Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make me stop.

      Says the brave keyboard warrior from the depths of his mother's basement.

      Gosh you worthless rejects of humanity are pathetic.

    5. Re: Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      says the dummy who wishes his mom had a basement - they loud sometimes, right?

    6. Re: Unless there's a video.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in wichita, and interact with the local police regularly at my job. Most of them actually do believe that not following their directions is reason enough to shoot someone. In this case, the officers were so far away from Mr. Finch that even if he had pulled a pistol and emptied it, he would have hit nothing. Maybe they thought he was pulling a rifle out of his pants?

    7. Re:Unless there's a video.... by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Not to mention that it's likely that a hostage-taker would make a hostage answer the door.

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    8. Re:Unless there's a video.... by Cederic · · Score: 1
  9. LOL by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1, Troll

    Threatening to swat people on twitter is fine. You better not fucking suggest there are only two genders or you'll really be in trouble.

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  10. Any signs of changing the way police operates? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "This shooting should not have happened," said the district attorney. "But this officer's decision was made in the context of the false call."

    So not prosecuting the officer is probably the right decision, especially since he was (presumably) acting they way the department's training and guidelines suggest he should. But it seems to me that this death, and many others, indicate that those instructions are in serious need of an overhaul. And that in most cases officers need to wait and return fire rather than shoot first and answer any questions later. That puts them at risk, yes, but that's their damn job: to protect the public. And as long as the guy who got swatted didn't offer any violence and until there was crystal clear proof that he was about to get violent, he was not a criminal, not a "perp", but a member of the public. And his life should have come first.

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    1. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There should be no more "I thought I saw a gun" shootings. They should not fire until they positively identify the subject is holding a gun. A knife? Then tasers only. You have body armor, you chose to be a cop. Your duty is to make sure other people go home safe before you do.

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    2. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, as far as the officer knew at the time this was one of the supposed hostages that he shot and killed.
      Nice not to have to use your brain and assess the actual situation.
      Good going there chief!

    3. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by mlyle · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Most body armor isn't very effective vs. a knife, and certainly doesn't cover most of your body, and you can cover a ridiculous distance with a knife before anyone has time to react. I support training cops to show a hell of a lot more restraint but I can't support asking people to fight back against a knife attack with a taser.

    4. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."

      "... as far as the officer knew at the time this was one of the supposed hostages that he shot and killed."

      Based on no evidence whatsoever.

    5. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 meters and behind a car is very effective vs. a knife. (Or even a gun.)

    6. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by jwhyche · · Score: 2, Troll

      There should be no more "I thought I saw a gun" shootings. They should not fire until they positively identify the subject is holding a gun. A knife? Then tasers only. You have body armor, you chose to be a cop. Your duty is to make sure other people go home safe before you do.

      You are an idiot. Cops do not wake up with the ideal, "Hey I'm going to go shoot someone." An it isn't like the fucking movies where Dirty Harry kills a 100 people, eats a donut, and calls it a day. When a officer draws his side arm in the line of duty its a major event in his life, and not a good one. If he just happens to have to use it and kill someone then it is a event that will affect him all his life..

      Tasers are not the magic bullet to solve every police problem. Tasers are not effect against a target that actively evading and they are useless in a gun fight.

      By the time the cops "positively" identify they saw a gun it is usually to late. The subject has already dawn and opened fire. An not like in the movies gun fights are conducted by marksmen. In real life almost all gun fire is "spay an pray," where the subject just starts shooting in the general direction of the target.

      Over 90% of these shots miss and unlike in the movies missed bullets don't just vanish off set. The keep travelling till they hit something. An sometimes that something is a 9 year old little girl in her bed room doing her homework.

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    7. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

      " Cops do not wake up with the ideal, "Hey I'm going to go shoot someone." Yeah, but they do wake up with the ideal, "I'm gonna do whatever it takes today to make sure that I get home safe tonight".

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    8. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but I can't support asking people to fight back against a knife attack with a taser

      Sure you can, that's what they're for, along with mace and batons. Cop trainers need to stop terrorizing cop trainees into scared chickenshits who can't do their jobs without getting their guns off.

    9. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly! They should be waking up with the ideal "I'm going to do whatever it takes to make sure members of the public get home safe tonight". By making their lives more important than those of the general public, they have no incentive to not kill anybody who gets in their way.

      Can you imagine a nurse or EMT saying "I'm not taking care of that patient -- they might be contagious!"? Or a fireman saying "I'm not going into that building to save that person -- it's on fire!"?

      Honestly, even if you permit cops to be judge, jury and executioner so they're totally allowed to kill anybody who commits a crime, that still requires them to actually be able to determine who the criminal is. In this case they made no attempt to determine whether the man they shot was the hostage or criminal (neglecting the fact that there was no criminal or hostage).

      dom

    10. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was just following orders ^W my training."

    11. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by jwhyche · · Score: 3, Informative

      So what? So do you. I bet you don't include in that list shoot someone, and nether does most of anyone else. Same applies to cops.

      It's always bad when a cop takes someones life in the line of duty. Especially bad when it's someone innocent. But if you want to live in a society where everyone has a gun then you are going have shit happen.

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    12. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "That puts them at risk, yes, but that's their damn job: to protect the public."

      The USSC disagrees: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/0...

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    13. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've had people overcome five tasers at once.

    14. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Source Needed]

    15. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Entrope · · Score: 2

      They already have solutions for that. For example, Baltimore police are now on trial for corruption, and according to testimony from one of them (plus independent evidence) part of that was carrying realistic toy guns to plant on people they shot.

    16. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      20 meters and behind a car is very effective vs. a knife. (Or even a gun.)

      Thanks for clarifying that you learned everything about guns from Hollywood and TV. Other than having the cars engine between you and whoever is shooting at you, you have no protectioneed from a bullet when behind a car. A door, or even two will do little to stop even a handgun round.

    17. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what? Even if that's true and not something you made up on the spot, you manage the exceptions, not manage to the exception. And how well would your superman be doing with a face full of mace on top of being tasered multiple times.

      Policies based on rarest pie-in-the-sky anecdotes are shitty policies.

    18. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Cops do not wake up with the ideal, "Hey I'm going to go shoot someone."

      No, that would be intent. Cops wake up with the ideal that police need to be protected, first, last, and always, and if that results in non-police getting killed, then that's acceptable. Even if the people killed are innocent. Even if police are only being protected from "potential" harm or fear of harm rather than actual harm.

      It's like our cities have been invaded by a foreign army who think of us as cattle to be milked for taxes and traffic fines.

    19. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so many moderators so many idiots. Truth hurts so you mod it down to sooth your little butt hurting asses

    20. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by jwhyche · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, I expected to get modded down. That is how it works with unpopular speech, and often the truth, here when the sjw get their panties in a wad. I was expecting it to be more along the line of flamebait. But that is fine. I have karma to burn. Since I'm on a roll here I'm going to piss off a few more of you so get your mod points ready.

      First the left. You want to ban everything. Someone says something that you don't like you feel its your duty to silence him. God forbid someone has an option that is different from yours. Here is a truth. If you feel you must silence someone at all cost then maybe they have something important to say. If your argument can't stand up to debate then you don't have an argument, you have dogma. This is CNN's mode of operation.

      You want to ban all fire arms and strip police of their abilities. Well that doesn't work and will never work. That wont' make the streets or you safer. What it will do is make it far worse because the criminals will not fear the cops any more.

      Now the right. If you don't want to hear the other side you don't silence them you just shout them down. Scream louder, so others can't hear what anyone else saying. Foxnews motto. Louder louder louder.

      Here is some tough news for all you that like to bang on your second amendment rights. You do not need a god damn machine gun. You do not need a fucking AR-15, AK-47, a bump stock or a god damn banana magazine with 50 rounds in it. Yeah, I've heard the argument "but a AR 15 is nothing more than a hunting rifle with a few cosmetic changes." Well guess what, you don't need a fucking semi automatic anything to hunt most game. An yes, I know what I'm talking. I grew up hunting. To hunt most common game you don't need anything but a bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun. In very few cases, like wild pig extermination, do you need a semi automatic anything.

      So there you go. That should piss off everyone. Mod me down. I have the karma!

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    21. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      If any non-police gunman had shot this guy, the shooter would be on trial for murder. Non-police gun owners know this, so they tend to be a lot more careful pulling the trigger.

    22. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 2

      An yes, I know what I'm talking. I grew up hunting. To hunt most common game you don't need anything but a bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun. In very few cases, like wild pig extermination, do you need a semi automatic anything.

      Hunting is irrelevant. "Need" is irrelevant. Rights are rights. They do not depend on your opinion of what someone "needs" or your opinion of what they need it for. Free speech doesn't depend on you being happy with what someone says either.

      The fact that people want to lawlessly and casually infringe Constitutional rights is more than reason enough to have an AR-15. A lawless society ruled by lawless individuals is exactly the kind of society where citizens should be armed.

    23. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But also shot him....based on no evidence.

      Funny how that works.

    24. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like our cities have been invaded by a foreign army who think of us as cattle to be milked for taxes and traffic fines.

      Now that's an inappropriate characterization if I ever saw one. The important thing with cattle is to check whether they have weed on their breath. Milk is peanuts.

    25. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by jwhyche · · Score: 1

      Need should be relevant, and you don't need one.

      Rights are not limitless. But you know what? I'm would be more than happy to work with people on this issue.

      You don't need a AR 15 but just want one? That is fine. Lets see, you need a special license to own a machine gun. So I think a special license should be in order for a semi automatic rifle too. So there, you can have it but your going to get licensed for it.

      Well this would be if rational people would be willing actually try to work on the problem and stop screaming about it.

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    26. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      but I can't support asking people to fight back against a knife attack with a taser.
      If the taser is already aimed at the attacker, why not?

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    27. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      A non-police gunman wouldn't have been knocking at the guy's door in the first place.

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    28. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Need should be relevant,

      But it isn't. You didn't need to write your comment, but regardless of that, the government can't censor it. See how need is irrelevant?

      Rights are not limitless.

      But they aren't subject to your whims either.

      ... if rational people would be willing actually try to work on the problem and stop screaming about it.

      What problem? The problem where the FBI and local law enforcement both get specific tips about a guy with a long, long history of violence and legal trouble going to shoot up a school and neither the FBI nor local law enforcement can be bothered to follow up?

      The problem where a shooter opens fire in a school with a law enforcement officer on the scene and the law enforcement officer hides instead of protecting people?

      When law enforcement is so utterly, completely useless, individual citizens need capable firearms to protect themselves.

    29. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      There was no reason for anyone to knock on his door.

    30. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a country where we think it insane to have cops go around with guns shooting people, but even I think it's ludicrous to expect anybody to spot the difference between a knife, a gun and a remote, in a life and death situation. This is why you de-weaponize. Period.

    31. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      But if had been required to get a license for those weapons in the first place he might not have had them. An you still don't need one.

      An here is another problem you seem to be falling into. You seem to think because I want to enact common sense gun regulations, you think I want to take away all your gun rights. Not true. I've not said anything about pistols. I firmly stand by your gun rights to defend yourself. I have a C&C that is legal in 3 states. What so many left wingnuts want to think that polices job is to protect you. That is not their job. There job is law enforcement, not to protect your ass.

      Of course nobody wants to make sense. They all want the wild west or star trek. Which to make sure everyone knows, both are fiction.

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    32. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So why were they even at the house? Those hostages that they were supposedly rescuing are members of the public, aren't they?

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    33. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private gun ownership prevents between 500,000 and 2.5 million crimes each year. Those estimates come from the Brady Foundation for Handgun control (low end) and the NRA (high end) respectively.

      But even if they didn't, private ownership of weapons - including AR-15s and AK-47s - is essential to keeping the liberty of the people. As recently as the Battle of Athens, former soldiers needed to turn out WITH THEIR MILITARY RIFLES in order to fight off a gang of corrupt government officials.
      It's a thing that happens ever few decades... but you want to allow the bad guys to win, and a million more people to become victims, because you are afraid of a few guns.

    34. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Trogre · · Score: 0

      So tell us please, how does one "manage the exceptions" when an assailant on meth is charging you with a knife and the taser doesn't stop him? Offer him a leaflet while singing Kumbaya?

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    35. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So? He's a distance away, and draws a knife. Yell at him "Stop and drop the weapon or I'll shoot!" Just make sure it's an exclusive or.

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    36. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The fact that people want to lawlessly and casually infringe Constitutional rights is more than reason enough to have an AR-15

      It is literally impossible for me to deprive you of your Constitutional rights. I'm not working for any government. If agents of the government wanted to violate your Constitutional rights, the AR-15 isn't going to be of any more use than a stick of chewing gum.

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    37. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. You do it. Have fun in the brief period you're still alive.

    38. Re:Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      They are there to enforce the law, not protect the public. Serve and Protect is propaganda.

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    39. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      If agents of the government wanted to violate your Constitutional rights, the AR-15 isn't going to be of any more use than a stick of chewing gum.

      Incorrect. It will make them think and rethink whether they really want to go ahead with that. Oppressing a well-armed population is a hell of a lot harder than oppressing an unarmed one.

      And ultimately, why would the guys on the ground risk it? They don't need to shoot it out with the local farmers or the owner of the hardware store for the benefit of some politician’s hate campaign. A war at home is a war near their home, where they live with their families. Why start one of those?

    40. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A knife? Then tasers only.

      You are not a cop, you don't know anything about self-defense, and all you are doing is spewing your moronic theory which any expert on self-defense would quickly show is utter bullshit.

      Just shut the fuck up, unless you want to prove you are stupid more than you already have.

    41. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Need should be relevant, and you don't need one.

      You have no idea what someone else needs, you silly fool.

      Who the fuck do you think you are imagining that you imagine can determine what someone else needs ?

      You have no idea what anyone else needs. Try to push your bullshit on people in the real world and you will find out some of us
      are going to push back a lot harder than you can, motherfucker.

    42. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If agents of the government wanted to violate your Constitutional rights, the AR-15 isn't going to be of any more use than a stick of chewing gum.

      And that's why the United States has been able to conquer the "terrorists" in Afghanistan so conclusively, because all their
      AK-47s were of no more use than a stick of chewing gum.

      Your tiny little mind doesn't understand that while you might be correct in a case in which the government goes after one person, things would look very different if the government decided to go after 30 million people, all of whom were armed. And that is the case that matters, where resisting a government that has gone wrong is concerned.

      In other words, nice try, you failed miserably, now turn your computer off and go do something useful.

    43. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a country where we think it insane to have cops go around with guns shooting people, but even I think it's ludicrous to expect anybody to spot the difference between a knife, a gun and a remote, in a life and death situation. This is why you de-weaponize. Period.

      You are free to do things as you wish in your country.

      But take your ideas about how the US "should" be and fuck off. We don't care what you think or what you want, and if you don't like the US,
      then stay the fuck out of the US. Fuck you and your notions of telling people in another country what to do : it's not your business what the US
      does, FULL STOP.

    44. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Calydor · · Score: 2

      When he's closed half the distance and is shrugging off the taser, your partner who has a loaded gun ready pulls the trigger, because there is NOW impending threat. While the guy was standing in his doorway looking confused there was NO impending threat.

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    45. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well in that situation perhaps dropping the tazer and drawing the gun would be justified.

      I mean, you're a cop, there's going to be some element of danger in the job. Don't like it? Don't be a cop. You don't get to just start blowing people away in any situation where the risk to you is non-zero, no matter how small it is.

      Besides, a 9mm or a .40 S&W is not even guaranteed to take down a real tough guy charging at you while pumped up on adrenaline and meth without multiple rounds. So does that mean the cops should all carry military-style fully automatic rifles and shoot at anything that moves? You have to draw the line somewhere.

    46. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      It's different if "react" means "draw gun from the holster, release safety, aim". When you are already aiming at the target, the distance they can cover with a knife before you can pull the trigger is ridiculously short.

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    47. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Oppressing a well-armed population is easier in some ways. It's easier to shoot an armed person than an unarmed person.

      Nor would it be a war. It would be isolated actions, since you can't get the population as a whole to do anything in particular. The authorities wouldn't necessarily come in shooting, but they'd win on their own schedule.

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    48. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      The oppressors would lose on their own schedule. Occupying armies get tired after a year or three. The people defending Constitutional government would win by not submitting to oppression.

    49. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, I doubt any of those cops would put women and children first to a life raft from a sinking ship. ‘It looked like they had guns, so fuck ‘em’

    50. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm going to suggest that you look up what happened in Yugoslavia in WWII if you're going to talk about occupying armies. For one thing, the only resistance organization consistently opposing the occupiers was Communist, just as it was in Greece. For another thing, the occupying armies stayed from the invasions in 1941 to the eviction in 1944.

      So, most of the population did submit to oppression, including many of those who were nominally working against it.

      In the case of civil unrest, it wouldn't be the army, primarily, but rather the police forces. The Army would only intervene if necessary, and it probably wouldn't be necessary. There are highly abusive police forces in the US that don't face significant armed resistance.

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    51. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Europe is not the US. Forces seeking an end to Constitutional government would not fare well here.

      There are highly abusive police forces in the US that don't face significant armed resistance.

      That's not really analogous. People can escape to other cities or take other actions to mitigate abusive police. Ending Constitutional government is not something that can be undone, and national borders are harder to escape. Also, ending Constitutional government has no limiting principle — making it an existential threat, so resistance motivation would be very high. And the other side would not be able to maintain their own motivation.

      But that's enough talk from me about something that won't happen. I think an armed populace makes it less likely. It's ok with me if you don't agree.

    52. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Agree.

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    53. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Forces seeking an end to Constitutional government would not fare well here.

      That's a matter of ballots, not bullets. Unconstitutional government, in one form or another, does have a lot of support in the US.

      Moreover, I was talking about armies that march into another country, set up shop, and are harsh, demanding, and arbitrary in their dealings with the people there. That's going to attract more opposition than proposed unconstitutional governance. Nazi or Communist armies are an existential threat, and have no limiting principles (except that it's hard on troops to kill large numbers of women and children).

      Ending unconstitutional government is something that can happen. It happens fairly frequently in history. Very few governments started with a constitution, and lots of them picked one up along the way. Governments will transition into and out of unconstitutional government.

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  11. Re:Barriss sounds like Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called psychopathy. It's a genetic aberration that unfortunately keeps propagating itself from generation to generation. It's not correlated with intelligence, so there are stupid psychopaths who quickly end-up in jail or dead, and intelligent psychopath who end-up drug-lords, arms-dealers, CEOs, or nations leaders, including president of the United States.

  12. Unfortunate Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Barriss

    Didn't he bomb the Jedi Temple too?

  13. SWAT ting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So SWAT is so trigger happy you can reliably order a murder with a telephone?

    But we dump all the blame on him/the previous one/the next one?

  14. Put the shitbag in solitary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And forget that he's there. We'll see how much this little bitch is an "eGod" as he starves to death.

    He fucked up the lives of others. He's a waste of life.

  15. Fucking SWAT team by lsllll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, the Wichita police officer who mistakenly fired the fatal shot that killed a 28-year-old father of two will not face charges. The district attorney concluded that several of the officers closest to victim Andrew Finch thought he reached down to pull up his pants, leaving his right arm hidden from the officers, the Wichita Eagle reports. "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."

    You are in a SWAT team. You have been trained for a gunfight. You're there, along with 20 of your buddies, ALL of your weapons drawn and in your hand and pointing to the guy who just walked out of his house and is clueless of WTF is happening. All you need to do is pull a trigger one or more times to take him down. "I thought he was reaching for a gun" is not a good defense. Wait until you actually SEE a fucking gun before you shoot the poor bastard. I can't believe he's not going to face charges for a reckless murder.

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    1. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if he was following his training perfectly? What if all SWAT people in the entire country would have made that same dumb decision? Time to find a better country yet? Who the hell wants to stay and see how screwed up Trump can make it?

    2. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if he was following his training perfectly?

      I don't know about you, but when I had firearms safety training when I was six, one of the cardinal rules drilled into my head was "always be sure of what you are shooting at". This murderer obviously didn't as the man had no gun. If grown assed trainers aren't teaching remedial safety to cops, they should join them in prison for criminal negligence.

    3. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Wait until you actually SEE a fucking gun...

      The "I didn't know what was going on; I was afraid" defense is absolute and guaranteed to work. But only if the officer opens fire right away, without waiting to know anything about the situation.

      Look for this to happen more and more because that's what's being incentivized.

    4. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firearms safety training that you receive as a civilian and as a police officer differ. Police are trained to shoot if they think that the assailant is reaching for a gun. That is the cost you as a society have to pay when allowing everyone to carry a firearm and trying to have an effective police force at the same time.

    5. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I can't believe he's not going to face charges for a reckless murder.

      I agree with the rest of what you're saying. But if you're actually shocked and surprised the copper won't face charges, you haven't been paying attention. The cops rarely face charges for unjustified shootings where there was no gun, real or fake. When they do, they're almost never convicted.

      The problem is that the laws are such that the ONLY thing that matters is the few seconds up to pulling the trigger. Nothing else matters. If the copper felt his/her life was in danger, it's A-OK according to the laws. The laws need changing. We need to put more burden of proof on the justification for shooting on the entire incident rather than a cops emotions at the time.

      Shortly following changing the laws, the training and the trigger happy behavior will change.

    6. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Graymalkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      In most cities the term "SWAT team" is waaaaay too broadly applied. When people hear "SWAT" they tend to think of a highly trained team of specialists with pinpoint marksmanship, nerves of steel, and balls (or ovaries) of solid brass.

      The reality is most "SWAT" teams are regular patrolmen assigned to SWAT duty as part of their career path. They aren't best of the best volunteers but trying to get promoted. Smaller cities can't afford grueling training so their SWAT terms get maybe a dozen training hours a month and those officers have regular patrol beats.

      So when SWAT responds to a call there's a good chance you're getting a bunch of operators with better than average but definitely not Delta levels of training that may have just come off a full patrol shift. The typical SWAT team has far less training than you'd probably want or expect them to have.

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    7. Re:Fucking SWAT team by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You are in a SWAT team. You have been trained for a gunfight.

      So what you're saying is that SWAT shouldn't exist and you should let normal police diffuse a situation rather than turning America into a warzone complete with that level of weaponry?

    8. Re:Fucking SWAT team by DewDude · · Score: 0

      Now now...we can't go around suing people for doing the job they were trained and told to do. The fact is SWAT is there to do one job, neutralize a threat. They're usually not trained to perceive a threat...that's someone else's job. They're just the guys called in to neutralize it.

    9. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they need to review the training program. Otherwise we are creating an unsecured weapon and putting it in the hands of unscrupulous individuals - those willing to call in a false police report.

      If you're worried about gun control, you probably don't want to leave autonomous guns just lying around where anyone can point them at anyone.

    10. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The officer who shot was NOT in a SWAT team.

    11. Re:Fucking SWAT team by hey! · · Score: 1

      This is the problem with the SWAT response scenario: it's inherently dangerous. You can mitigate the danger with training, but you can never make it safe.

      Hold your thumb out at arm's length and note the size of your thumbnail. That's roughly half the angular area in which you have sufficient visual acuity to distinguish between a handgun and a coffee mug. The way you "see" a scene is that your fovea flits around your field of vision, filling in details to update the scene you have already constructed in your brain. If you go into a scene "knowing" that a person has a gun, you aren't instinctively going to double check. Your reptilian brain will be prioritizing possible signs that the person is about to use the gun you "know" is there.

      I don't think this can be "fixed" by training. You're fighting evolution. You've got to control the development of dangerous scenarios in the first place.

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    12. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Firearms safety training that you receive as a civilian and as a police officer differ. Police are trained to shoot if they think that the assailant is reaching for a gun.

      Except he wasn't reaching for anything, which means the cop had no idea what he was shooting at - which was my point exactly.

    13. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They may be lying about the motions the man made, but discovering he had no gun afterwards does not imply a cop should psychically know this when the guy makes a motion towarss his waste.

      Perhaps the training could be improved. Perhaps the cop was lying. But magically knowing there isn't a gun in his pocket isn't a realistic condition, nor is risking one's life on the off chance the sudden movement is innocuous.

      There are plenty of videos where cops get shot because even with full training.

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    14. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      when the guy makes a motion towarss his waste

      Just letting your arms drop to your sides could be a "motion towards the waist". Every time you walk like a normal human being you are "making a motion towards the waist". This get-out-of-jail-free card needs to be torn up, permanently.

      If the person isn't actually reaching for an actual weapon, the cop doesn't know what he's shooting at. Negligent homicide, straight up.

      There are plenty of videos where cops get shot because even with full training.

      Which are shown incessantly to trainees, turning them into scared chickenshits who gun down innocent people for no reason. It needs to stop. This SWAT team was in force, in cover with ballistic shields. Even if this man had a gun, the chances of him getting off a hipshot are lower than the officers winning a Powerball.

    15. Re:Fucking SWAT team by lsllll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You miss the point. Even if he DID have a gun in his pocket, even if he reached for it, 20 cops with their guns drawn and pointed at him should not be shooting until they have 100% positive proof that he has a gun via a visual. They have the element of time on their side, the time it takes to take a gun out of a pocket, raise it, and shoot. Plus they're not supposed to hurt innocent civilians, so wouldn't you think they should err on the side of caution? After all, they swore to put their own lives (and their bullet-proof vests) on the line.

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    16. Re: Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This x100000000

    17. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if he was following his training perfectly?

      I don't know about you, but when I had firearms safety training when I was six, one of the cardinal rules drilled into my head was "always be sure of what you are shooting at".

      Firearms safety training when you were six? Then probably your father was a hunter or a drug lord or someone else who could go to jail for recklessly killing someone. That's not a consideration for police officers.

    18. Re:Fucking SWAT team by lsllll · · Score: 1

      lol. Way to come around the back and bite my sentence. I completely agree with you.

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    19. Re:Fucking SWAT team by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes that wasn't directed at you but rather the general reading population. It's amazing how disproportional the power of SWAT teams are compared to the situations they are sent in to diffuse. *sigh*

    20. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's assume that the "perp" has killed people and called it in to the police. Suddenly, outside of their house, their are flashing red and blue lights, that "perp" would have a pretty good idea that it's the cops. The person, who has already killed people, comes out on the porch.

      Does that person have the gun in their waistband and is reaching for it? Nope.

      That person would *already* have a gun drawn and they did mention he was moving his hands around his waist.

    21. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So what you're saying is that SWAT shouldn't exist and you should let normal police diffuse a situation rather than turning America into a warzone complete with that level of weaponry?"

      No, what he's saying is that if you didn't have SWAT teams and left it to the normal police, you'd have the EXACT same situation and risks.

    22. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Then probably your father was a hunter or a drug lord or someone else who could go to jail for recklessly killing someone.

      Or....classes offered by local boy scouts or shooting range. But drug lord sounds much cooler.

    23. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You have been trained for a gunfight.

      While true and necessary, it's also where the police in the US go very fucking wrong.

      Train to avoid a gunfight. Train how to de-escalate a situation. Train how to resolve a conflict without having shoot someone. Train how to interact with members of the public without murdering them.

      Also stop having elected DAs because it just looks like a situation rife with corruption.

    24. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You're pretending the local boy scouts don't have full control of the local meth supply?

    25. Re:Fucking SWAT team by ebvwfbw · · Score: 0

      No, they aren't. They are trained to LOOK for the gun. They drill it into them that a person could be an escaping victim, bystander, etc. Just because it was a white man on a porch doens't mean he's a bad guy. Take it even a step more, suppose it was a black man on his porch and he was blown away? The whacko lefties would actually have a valid point this time instead of rioting over a criminal that was blown away. Now consider how far he was away. Even if that guy had a pistol, the chances that he'd actually hit the cop is remote. He had time. He didn't bother to follow through on his training. He thought he was in a TV show - blow 'em away!

      No, that cop is a murderer. He should be invited to a neck tie party.

      I'd be curios if the cop even has a conscience. Does he even care that he blew an innocent father of two away? From what I've read, nope.

    26. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You miss the point. Even if he DID have a gun in his pocket, even if he reached for it, 20 cops with their guns drawn and pointed at him should not be shooting until they have 100% positive proof that he has a gun via a visual. They have the element of time on their side, the time it takes to take a gun out of a pocket, raise it, and shoot. Plus they're not supposed to hurt innocent civilians, so wouldn't you think they should err on the side of caution? After all, they swore to put their own lives (and their bullet-proof vests) on the line.

      Yes, there is no doubt that this was murder, the action of the DA simply makes him an accessory to murder - and it is not within the legal authority of the government to grant immunity or pardon.

      This is going to have a chilling effect on the US economy. People from other countries are not going to want to go to the USA with government murdering random innocent people. Who knows when a SWAT team might show up at your tent or your hotel room? It's safer just to stay home.

      National parks, themes parks like Disney World, business trips are all going to see a drop in numbers because of negligent stupidity on the part of the police, compounded by the DA refusing to do his job. I guess expecting integrity from any US lawyer is not rational.

      Police officers should not be pointing guns at somebody unless they see a weapon, or take incoming fire. They have all the advantages: training, equipment, numbers, surprise - there can be no tactical justification for this.

    27. Re:Fucking SWAT team by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      A Heisenberg merit badge would be bitchin

  16. Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This guy is some kind of wizard. Jail can't hold him. He'll be out soon enough.

  17. Wait, there are two genders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    said one 1980s-era IBM Token-ring cable to another.

  18. That's some serious stupid by DogDude · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this kid a Trump?

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  19. Re: Please do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who would the world love then?

  20. That's some serious smarts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just the arrogance smart people have for authority.

  21. DA's need to be banned from police investigations by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The district attorney concluded that several of the officers closest to victim Andrew Finch thought he reached down to pull up his pants, leaving his right arm hidden from the officers, the Wichita Eagle reports. "The officer who fired the shot, along with some others, thought Finch was reaching for a gun."

    Yet it wasn't the cops next to the guy who made the kill shot, it was one at distance, so this is bullshit on its face. DA's need to be banned from from investigating cops in their own jurisdiction as they work with said cops as part of their day job. The DOJ should go after cops for civil rights violations when local prosecutors drop the ball, like when they sent some of the officers who beat Rodney King to prison.

  22. Re:Barriss sounds like Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every story and every discussion has to be linked to Trump somehow, doesn't it?

    Like Godwin's law, there should be some law for this one as well. How many posts before Trump Derangement Syndrome rears it's head? You people really need to seek some mental health professionals regarding your disturbed condition.

  23. Egod rogue skillz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's got a rpi stuck in his rectum and boasts about being egod. He needs help from psychiatrist and a proctologist.

  24. Justice WILL have the last laugh by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Justice WILL have the last laugh here..Nuf said.

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    1. Re: Justice WILL have the last laugh by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      The prison industry gets the last laugh.

    2. Re:Justice WILL have the last laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're talking about prison rape, that's not justice. It's an embarassment upon our nation when serious crimes are rampant in prisons. We have an extra duty to protect those we have restrained from being victims of crime.

  25. All the swag... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, after telling the world that he was able to access the internet and having that backdoor now plugged and unusable by all the other inmates because he couldnt keep it to himself... Im sure he will be getting all types of swag. The kind that will make him walk/talk funny for days.

  26. The mind boggles... by LostMonk · · Score: 2

    I'm hearing the echoes of a ringing triple facepalm all the way over here.

    One from the sentencing judge

    Two from his lawyer

    Three from his future self looking back at ruins of his life

    1. Re:The mind boggles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm hearing the echoes of a ringing triple facepalm all the way over here.

      One from the sentencing judge

      Two from his lawyer

      Three from his future self looking back at ruins of his life

      His life was a ruin already when he first contemplated a swat call. At least his current idiocies only harm himself.

  27. Re: Barriss sounds like Trump by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    "Depth," genius.

  28. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A taser won't reach 20 meters :/

  29. Maybe some of those 2nd Amendment people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Should be exercising those rights on this officer and the DA who didn't charge him. Oh, right. The majority of them are apologists for these very officers, as long as they aren't liberals.

  30. As said before by quonset · · Score: 2

    This is why we have death penalty.. This punk already made continual threats to kill his grandmother, burn her house and kill her dogs, two different bomb threats to a tv station as well as caused the death of one person. Imagine what will happen if he gets out.

    He obviously believes the rules of society don't apply to them. Those rules should be harshly applied so he can't kill again.

    1. Re:As said before by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      He never actually intended to kill. He's not a murderer: He's an idiot. Reckless. Impulsive. Egotistical. But not a murderer.

      Ideally he might receive years of therapy. More realistically, he's going to spend years in prison. If he gets out, I don't imagine him staying out.

    2. Re:As said before by dryeo · · Score: 1

      True, we should just execute all mentally ill people, preferably in a cruel painful way as that'll teach them for being mentally ill and of course it is the Christian way.

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    3. Re:As said before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone died because of his actions. He's committed many other crimes and threatened to kill people. Now he's threatening to SWAT people from the prison he was put in because he was SWATting people. He's a worthless sack of shit and *nobody* would shed any tears if he were put down.

    4. Re:As said before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He never actually intended to kill. He's not a murderer: He's an idiot.

      If you up the ante and the thrill until somebody dies, you are a murderer. That doesn't preclude being an idiot, of course. But this killing was not an accident. It was bound to happen eventually, given his history and development.

      If you are aiming to kill other people, it is attempted murder, even if the game involved not all chambers in your gun being loaded. If you actually kill, it is completed murder.

    5. Re:As said before by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Most mentally ill people are no danger to other people. This clown was.

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    6. Re:As said before by dryeo · · Score: 0

      Which is only an argument for isolating him and hopefully treating him.

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    7. Re:As said before by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      He never actually intended to kill. He's not a murderer: He's an idiot. Reckless. Impulsive. Egotistical. But not a murderer.

      Where I come from, it's murder if you do something where a reasonable person would assume that someone might die as a result, and you still do it. In some states in the USA you have "felony murder", where if A and B commit an armed robbery (where obviously someone might get killed as a result), and a police officer shoots A, then B will be guilty for "felony murder".

      It should be clear to everyone that when you sent a SWAT team to someone's home then someone might die. Whether this is due to police officers being reckless, or badly trained, or just a combination of good officers and bad luck, it's obvious that this might lead to someone dying. Any reasonable person knows that. So where I come from, if you do something that could reasonably kill someone, and you do it, it's murder.

  31. Allegedly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I know you're guilty until proven innocent in the US. But for the rest of us, please write under the assumption it wasn't him who did either the SWATing or the twitting.
    I mean, it's not like identity thefts, false confessions and fabricated evidence are anything new to the US injustice system.

  32. And very little talk on the root cause. by malkavian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, loads of comments about "how cops are bad", but very little on the responsibility of the root cause that started this chain of events.
    A guy deliberately set up an armed response team to an address. From this point, the amount off things that can go badly wrong is staggering, not to mention the cost of performing the action itself in monetary terrms.
    In this case, something did go wrong, that would not have happened if the false callout had not been made. Everything stems from that malicious callout, therefore, everything that went wrong should be put on the shoulders of the malicious caller.
    The caller should be tried for "attempted murder" if a malicious swatting is made, or at least assault with a deadly weapon (as that's what SWAT teams carry, and it's definitely an assault if done maliciously).
    It's very easy to point a finger at a cop and say "Your fault", but unless you do the job, day in, day out, with your life at risk, and nearly every situation you face is life or death, then I take the voices as 'armchair experience'. Yes, training can always be improved, yes, odds can be shrunk, but in situations like this, risk cannot be eliminated. Thus you go for the root cause. Make the malicious caller responsible for all costs, all outcomes, and at least that assault with deadly weapon to boot. Every, single, malicious, call.
    Maybe then we'll see swattings "for fun" vanish. As long as people treat it as "just a kicks thing that went wrong", it'll keep on happening, and more deaths will ensue because of it.

    1. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Swatters are murderers AND cops are incompetent and overlimitarized. There - I fixed it for you.

    2. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      The root cause is that police are dangerous and willing to shoot people without knowing what's going on. SWATing just points them in a particular direction.

      Until police lose their reckless indifference to non-police lives, non-police lives will continue to be at grave risk whenever police are present.

    3. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by sphealey · · Score: 1

      = = = The root cause is that police are dangerous and willing to shoot people without knowing what's going on. = = =

      "root cause" - I do not think that phrase means what you think it means.

      Remind us why the police were at a house. Whether the right house or wrong house for the call they received doesn't matter - just remind us why they were on a response. Thanks.

    4. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are missing the fact that absolutely NO verification of any kind was done before knocking on a random door and shooting someone.
      Who was responsible for confirming that some random anonymous call had ANY credence?
      That is the ROOT cause of this situation.

    5. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Remind us why the police were at a house.

      You train and equip a SWAT team, you end up using that SWAT team. For something. If not that night, then some other night. If not that house, some other house. If not a fake hostage situation, then serving a warrant for unpaid child support. Or whatever. The SWAT team exists, therefore someone eventually gets shot by them.

      Why a SWAT team? Because Kansas is boring. Voters watch too much TV news and too many TV dramas and mistake those stories as meaningful to their lives. Politicians need something to sell to voters and drama sells. (Now you're seeing the other side of it — dramatic stories where the police hurt the innocent.)

      The thing that needs to change is the police. Crime is way down. The need for aggressive police is way down. People are less and less tolerant of police abuse as they see the relative risk of becoming a crime victim fall versus the risk of being a victim of police.

    6. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by sphealey · · Score: 1

      = = = You train and equip a SWAT team, you end up using that SWAT team. For something. If not that night, then some other night. If not that house, some other house.

      I asked you to remind us why a specific police detachment was on specific call that night. Not a general discussion of whether or not Kansas police departments are over-militarized. This matters, because if I were being held hostage by a hard right wing fanatic I would certainly want my local police to mobilize their SWAT team in hopes of rescuing me.

      So again, explain what the root cause of this specific incident in Kansas was.

    7. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is little need to discuss the root cause. that person was immediately arrested and is in custody at the moment. He doesn't have a good future. What is their to discuss? But, we have a cop who overreacted and killed someone innocent and he got away with it.

    8. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I asked you to remind us why a specific police detachment was on specific call that night. Not a general discussion of whether or not Kansas police departments are over-militarized.

      Are you the discussion police?

      This matters, because if I were being held hostage by a hard right wing fanatic I would certainly want my local police to mobilize their SWAT team in hopes of rescuing me.

      Make up some more ridiculous stories. What kind of police would you want if vampires had you caged up in their lair, saving you to drink your blood when they got hungry? How about if space aliens were probing you on the hood of your car? What are the right sort of police for that?

      So again, explain what the root cause of this specific incident in Kansas was.

      The SWATing call happened because the SWAT team existed. The SWATer knew exactly what to say to produce the specific type of police response he wanted. The existence of the SWAT team (and SWAT teams in general) made this happen. That's why SWATing is a thing at all.

    9. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by sphealey · · Score: 1

      = = = The SWATing call happened because the SWAT team existed. = = =

      Try "I shot him because the gun was just lying there Your Honor" in court and see how it works out for you.

    10. Re:And very little talk on the root cause. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Wow, great point. Especially because I'm totally a defense council on a legal team trying to get my client off.

      Man, how did I ever pass the Bar Exam? :(

  33. The kind involving petards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hopefully.

  34. Good. Keep it up Tyler. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actively encourage Tyler to keep this up. Good for you Tyler? Why? Because it means he'll be far more likely to be convicted, and face the maximum jail sentence. Keep up the stupid Tyler. Go for a record! High score jail time! Try for a double sentence! 20 years! 20 Years! 20 Years!

  35. Fuck the SWAT team by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Highly trained heavily geared up professionals should not have itchy trigger fingers and need to at least get professional consequences!

    People make mistakes on the job and big ones result in consequences including being fired. I'm not saying firing is required as an idiotic zero tolerance policy; especially when properly handled that employee may never make that mistake ever again. As a TEAM failure the whole team needs to feel the failure; more training and at least but a dock in PAY should be minimum. If your team fucks up you don't get bonuses or raises and are lucky to not get reassigned or laid off... if not fired if you are the reason the team failed.

    When you are nearly invincible against most every likely handheld weapon you can take the TIME to wait for that LARGE heavy 50 caliber to rise into view. It is cowardice or mental illness or a SYSTEM which promotes "extreme" caution with the exact opposite reasoning of innocent until proven guilty. Furthermore, better training so you don't question breaking windows and entering from ALL sides and eyes seeing his hands can communicate to the others. They often just smash in the door; maybe the back door too -- this is life or death stuff, they should break windows and using a drone to peak in windows should be cheap...

    Blaming the victim for involuntary ass scratching (cell phone same thing) or pulling up loose clothes or sneezing is so unprofessional an excuse somebody needs to be fired.

    Finally, WTF are they using guns? It is a TEAM where the front guys can have beanbag guns and stun guns and heavier armor. the others can have the bazookas. This wasn't a known criminal or bad location... WTF do we have local prosecutors who must work with the police be the ones to look into their buddies? massive conflict of interest!

    1. Re:Fuck the SWAT team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You used a word that doesn't get used often enough in the context of killings such as these: "cowardice".
      Shouldn't police get vetted for some minimal standard of non-cowardice at some point before being issued job offers?

      (AC here, yes, but not a police AC...)

  36. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DA's don't investigate the cops. DA's decide whether the facts found in the investigation warrant prosecution, or if any trial is liable to fail before it gets started.

    In this case, the DA concluded that there would be a trivial defense of 'the cops thought he was reaching for a gun' with no real evidence showing otherwise, and declined to prosecute.

  37. Way to go, genius... by hey! · · Score: 1

    ... to a SuperMax facility, that is.

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  38. Re:Barriss sounds like Trump by tsqr · · Score: 1

    they are out of their debt, and have no idea of the gravit they are doing

    I believe you're out of your depth, buddy./p

  39. This man is a true patriot by edris90 · · Score: 1

    By maximizing how many mistakes please get for overzealous reaction, then highlights the likelihood the other Les cut-and-dry cases are also the result of police mismanagement and over sensitivity. How about the police start taking accountability for their actions say we fucked up it's our job to be sure beyond belief before we accidentally make things worse

  40. Not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This really isn't good. The more we see cases like this, the greater the probability that someone, somewhere will start actually hunting down and killing this fuckers posing as "police".

    This is why "everyone is equal in they eyes of the law" is so fucking important. If law-enforcement is not able to police it self, it loses credibility and becomes a force operating above and outside the law. And if the courts does not give the victims justice, someone will find a way to extract extra-judicial punishment on cold blooded killers and their protectors like this one, and the ones posing as the DA and their colleagues. They really should know better than making targets of themselves.

    With great power comes great responsibilities, indeed. Power without accountability is just tyranny. And that never ends well.

  41. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rubber bullets.

  42. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    DA's don't investigate the cops.

    You're reinforcing my point here.

    In this case, the DA concluded that there would be a trivial defense of 'the cops thought he was reaching for a gun' with no real evidence showing otherwise, and declined to prosecute.

    Because of the incestious relationship between DA's and the cops they work with, just like I said. There was no, none, nada, zip sign this man was reaching for any weapon.

  43. Hahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignorant fuck initiates swatting and gets person killed.

    Ignorant fuck gets caught and thrown in the pokie awaiting trial.

    Ignorant fuck gains illicit internet access and threatens to do again exactly what he's about to be tried for.

    Prosecutor rejoices.

    Judge shows no mercy at ignorant fuck's sentencing. Hahahahahahahaha

    Society has one less ignorant fuck to worry about.

    The system works!

    1. Re:Hahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And one innocent civilian who's only crime was to answer the door is dead, shot by a trigger happy cop from across the street who will face absolutely no consequences for his actions, apart from whatever amount of feelings of guilt his conscience might be able to inflict on him.

      That's broken.

  44. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not about stopping the bullets. It's about hiding so the bad guys don't see where you are.

  45. Nobody's talking about root cause by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    because it's already established. There's nothing to debate there. This guy goes to jail for a long time and isn't let near the internet or any other anonymous communications when he gets out. Problem solved.

    We're still debating the cop's situation becuase he got off scott free when he obviously shouldn't have. At the least he should be fired and never allowed to work as a cop again. As it stands our "Tough on Crime" outlook and unwillingness to address gun violence has left cops above the law in most shootings.

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  46. Wichita District Attorney is a worthless POS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, sure, the fucking SWAT team, heavily armed and ready, a good distance away from the home. Guy comes out. Not even enough time to identify who he is, but the should-have-never-been-trusted-with-a-gun cop kills him because he was scared. Give us all a fucking break.

    Failure to bring charges reinforces the notion to cops all over the USA it's acceptable to use your weapon in a deadly manner. As long as "you were scared and perceived a threat, even an imaginary one, it's justified."

  47. Re:Barriss sounds like Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Clinton had won the election, you would be one of those who would make every story and discussion on Slashdot about Clinton.

    So shut the fuck up, hypocritical trumptard.

  48. Inmate Kiosk by PPH · · Score: 1

    Botched software patch.

    If I were the prosecutor in Sedgewick County, I'd be looking very closely at who did the patch installation and who is in charge of managing these kiosks. Could be some of Bariss' gamer buddies.

    Drugs and other contraband frequently make it inside prisons by way of corrupt guards and other officials.

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  49. WOW..... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    What a swat twat.

  50. Re: Please do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent should have been marked funny for no other reason than thinking that "slut" was a viable insult for a woman whose idea of doing something illicit was famously, on the record, as running through a field of wheat. Seriously, put some effort into it. Of course, poisoners have always been considered the biggest cowards.

  51. It's just a shot across the bow at Amazon & Go by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    just in case these home speaker things take off. The entire product was always very so-so. It lacks any reason to exist beyond listening to iTunes. It doesn't have much in the way of services to integrate into besides, well, google and Amazon.

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  52. Re: Any signs of changing the way police operate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    deadly force wouldn't be needed at that distance against a person using a knife as a weapon

  53. He may have made enemies too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least that'll get him away from any other inmates who might be really pissed that he ruined their unrestricted internet loophole by bragging about it to the world.

  54. Holy shit! That's GOTTA qualify for Peak Stupid! by Chas · · Score: 1

    What kind of idiot, SITTING IN PRISON for SWAT'ing, sneaks online and self-incriminates by promising MORE?

    His parents couldn't have dropped him on his head as a baby.
    They must have been spiking his stupid ass like a football!

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  55. Cop fired for NOT shooting suspect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Say hi to Bubba for us by Jayfar · · Score: 1

    Hi Tyler. Hope you're having a great time in prison. Tell Bubba we send our love.

  57. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you need to recall what Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt means?

    Reasonable doubt does not mean "guilty".

    It means the DA didn't waste time trying to prosecute a case he had no hope of winning. His job isn't to please you--it's to obtain convictions.

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  58. Re:Please do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's pretty slick, posting to /. while giving Uncle Vlad head... I should get my wife an account and let her try that on me.

  59. Should have tweeted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at how huge my butthole is now

  60. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next time someone gets shot on the street by some random guy, the DA shouldn't bother prosecuting them either. Too easy for the guy to say "I thought he went for a weapon, so I pulled out my 45 and blew him away". "Yeehaw!!!"

    The DA is a chicken shit asshole and just as guilty of encouraging this sort of bullshit gestapo behaviour as the guy that pulled the trigger. The civil suits should treble the damages just for that alone, and some of that payment should come directly from the DA, policy setters, and trigger man's pocket.

    Fuck these police state apologists with a sandpaper covered condom.

  61. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    But this *wasn't* some random guy. It was a guy who was there and who was armed for the express purpose of dealing with a violent situation in which at least one of multiple hostages had already been gravely wounded or killed.

    Context matters, and you cannot condemn someone for not having perfect knowledge, particularly in a scenario such as this one.

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  62. Take away the guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is reasonable to believe that a person moving their hands towards their body is reaching for a gun, then there are too many guns. Time to round them up and ban them.

    1. Re:Take away the guns by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      If it is reasonable to believe that a person moving their hands towards their body is reaching for a gun, then there are too many guns. Time to round them up and ban them.

      No, time to make the cops be responsible for their actions. In Indiana you're allowed to shoot cops in self defense.
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news...

      Since they passed that law, law enforcement being so lax and blowing people away has stopped. They know they can be legally blown away. So the answer again is more guns, not less guns. More guns, less crime. Fewer guns, more crime. London has passed NYC in homicides because of their stupidity on this subject.

  63. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same defence applies to any random murderer. "I thought that guy was on America's most wanted and was about to pull a gun on me."

    The 'self defence' defence is weighed along with other evidence to determine reasonable doubt. In this case, it was absolutely clearly NOT self defence. There is ZERO supporting evidence to bolster that claim. All the evidence points to: "the cop shot the guy". He must now mount a defence showing extenuating circumstances. "I thought the guy was packing heat and was about to draw" doesn't cut it, when the guy clearly wasn't armed in any way at all.

    This is a cop who got some bad info and started shooting at a guy that was clearly not acting violent after they just busted into his house on an 'anonymous' tipoff, because there was no attempt to verify the veracity of the information. The cop was a coward that shat his pants and popped off a cap at the slightest movement of a guy who for all they know was the hostage being sent to the door with the kidnapper elsewhere.

    No matter how you cut this, the cops action were reckless and not only endangered the public safety, but ended up killing a member of the public.

    If the cops were doing their jobs properly and got prosecuted and sent to jail for this bullshit, the concept of SWATting would vanish over night.

  64. The USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the 3rd world

  65. ARRGH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we PLEASE just put the little shit against the wall and shoot him already?

  66. Guy is a menace by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Seems we may have a psychopath. With any luck the judge sends him to a looney bin for a long time. They can keep him locked up a lot longer in a psyc ward.

  67. Sociopath Much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guys is on-par with Manson and Dahmer as a sociopath.

  68. Re:DA's need to be banned from police investigatio by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you need to recall what Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt means?

    Perhaps you could read the definitions for non sequitur and red herring. No one said the DA is judge, jury and executioner, or whatever stupid thought was going through your head.

    It means the DA didn't waste time trying to prosecute a case he had no hope of winning.

    You sound like the Obamabots whining the reason their guy didn't prosecute a single banker because the DOJ couldn't win any of the cases - when the feds have a conviction rate over 90%.

    A murdering pig shot a man for no reason two seconds after he stepped out his front door. Manslaughter, straight up.

    But this *wasn't* some random guy. It was a guy who was there and who was armed for the express purpose of dealing with a violent situation in which at least one of multiple hostages had already been gravely wounded or killed.

    And for all the cop knew the man walking out the front door was a hostage.

    Context matters, and you cannot condemn someone for not having perfect knowledge, particularly in a scenario such as this one.

    Straw man. Cops get fake or misleading calls all. the. time. but can't go in shooting everyone on sight. So why all the desperate defenses of the indefensible here? You got family in the gestapo, or are you one of those kind of teabaggers?