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Southwest Airlines Engine Failure Results In First Fatality On US Airline In 9 Years (heavy.com)
schwit1 shares a report from Heavy: Tammie Jo Shults is the pilot who bravely flew Southwest Flight 1380 to safety after part of its left engine ripped off, damaging a window and nearly sucking a woman out of the plane. The flight was en route to Dallas Love airport from New York City, and had to make an emergency landing in Philadelphia. Shults, 56, kept her cool during an incredibly intense situation, audio from her conversation with air traffic controllers reveals, while many passengers posted on social media that they were scared these were their last moments. She, with the help of the co-pilot and the rest of the crew, landed the plane safely. The NTSB reported that there was one fatality out of 143 passengers on board. Some passengers said that someone had a heart attack during the flight, but it's not yet known if this was the fatality reported by the NTSB. The woman who died has been identified by KOAT-TV as Jennifer Riordan, 43, of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
These engines are manufactured a way not to propel debris towards the body. Explosion are also unlikely. Having all that plus some debris break a window is really bad luck for that passenger.
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Trump credited himself for the lack of U.S. aviation fatalities during his administration, so this one is on him.
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Tammie Jo Shults is the pilot who bravely flew Southwest Flight 1380 to safety after part of its left engine ripped off
So what would have been the cowardly variant? Crashing the plane?
Adjectives have meaning. I mean, I'm glad that part of its left engine hasn't "tragically" ripped off since nowadays everything unfortunate or awful is "tragic". But what the fuck is "brave" about saving your beans? "In an extraordinary display of skills, presence of mind and composure": yeah.
There are a fuckload of reasons to admire her feat. Braveness isn't one.
When you have been on a flight with *REAL* turbulence; the type where if you are not seated and wearing a belt you are going to be smashed like a rag doll off the ceiling and couple of seconds later the floor of the plane you wear your seat belt on a plane for every second it is possible to do so.
Perhaps living in europe where wearing seat belts are compulsory by law in a car we are more used to wearing restraining belts for long periods of time.
Regardless not wearing a seat belt while seated on a plane is a pointless risk to take in my view.
It interferes with their freedom.
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They must have forgotten all the small airline plane crashes with fatalities. http://tdn.com/travel/ntsb-faults-flight-crew-training-for-fatal-alaska-crash/article_fce77ee2-899a-5969-880d-6a30eae5602b.html
Eh, "bravely" means exactly what we get from hearing the pilot in her interaction with air traffic control. According to the dictionary brave is someone: ready to face and endure danger or pain; showing courage. So, she definitely seemed ready and showed courage (presence of mind and composure as you yourself say) in the face of danger.
Brave does not mean removing the headphone jack from a phone ("dick move" is more appropriate), brave does not mean jumping in the flames for fun ("reckless" is more appropriate).
I was impressed by that audio, the air traffic guy seemed much more upset when he started hearing about parts of the plane missing etc than the pilot. If she was not brave, her voice would either start braking or show panick, and the outcome of the ordeal might not have been as favorable for the passengers.
> These engines are manufactured a way not to propel debris towards the body.
This statement is factually wrong.
When an uncontained engine failure happens - and they do happen - fragments of the blade can travel in any direction. It is random. In this case it looks like a piece went through the window. In that case, it is lucky no passengers were killed by a fragment.
If you want to read just how badly a plane can be damaged by an uncontained engine failure, read up on what happened to QF32:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32
To give you an idea of how bad it was, the A380 has redundant cabling for controlling engines, etc, and fragments from the engine explosion took out both primary and secondary paths. It is a amazing that plane landed. And if the pictures are anything to go by in this scenario, the plane may also have suffered damage to control surfaces or wiring that also hampered flying the aircraft.
Every US flight I've been on in the last 10 years strongly encourages passengers to keep their seat belts buckled whenever they are seated, specifically because of the risk of turbulence. I haven't done a scientific study, but I think most passengers do stay buckled up. The most frequent exceptions would be pre-school-aged children, and sometimes their parents.
Was the pilot a woman? It isn't clear from your summary. Maybe you should have pointed it out a few more times to make sure nobody missed it.
Most people who've encountered clear-air turbulence do.
Perhaps living in europe where wearing seat belts are compulsory by law in a car we are more used to wearing restraining belts for long periods of time.
Wearing seat belts in a car is compulsory in every state in the US.
Perhaps living in europe where wearing seat belts are compulsory by law in a car we are more used to wearing restraining belts for long periods of time.
Wearing seat belts in a car is compulsory in every state in the US.
Oops; except one, apparently.
Obviously that totally invalidates my point, lol
When you look at the photo: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/da... It looks like a single blade is missing. If the blade breaks and flies to the cabin, like a dagger, ripping things on the way, I can understand. But how did the whole front cowling get ripped in all directions? or did the wind rip pieces after the structure was damaged?
Well of course he knows. Q is omnipotent. I'm just puzzled why he's here in 2018 instead of messing with Starfleet officers in the future.
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There's a secondary problem in America though: short uncomfortable seat belts and large sized passengers.
Well of course he knows. Q is omnipotent. I'm just puzzled why he's here in 2018 instead of messing with Starfleet officers in the future.
It's because Nero changed future history, and Picard is now (or rather will be) the sexy counsellor on the USS GaySulu.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I don't fly commercially that much anymore, but usually people keep their seat belts on when they're sitting down, from what I've seen. It's not like they're any less comfortable than anything else that's going on in coach. I've never seen really extreme turbulence, either, not even on small aircraft that you'd expect to be sketchier than commercial ones. We usually avoid flying on the shit days, though. I'd love to hitch a ride on that plane that deliberately flies into hurricanes. I bet that's a blast.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
On a different note: why do Americans want to know the name of the victim?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I do, or did when I used to fly. Don't do that any more due to TSA nonsense, but I always thought I'd have my brains scraped off the ceiling due to turbulence someday if I didn't.
There's a secondary problem in America though: short uncomfortable seat belts and large sized passengers.
The US is #1 for number of obese persons, but 19th as a % of population, behind several developed countries in the middle east.
Seat belt extenders are common, I have seen some passengers need two of them. The flight attendants automatically and discretely hand them out, if you watch closely.
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I feel like a seatbelt in a car would do more for you in the event of a crash than a seatbelt on a plane.
Yeah, turbulence is an issue. I'm not familiar with this topic. Can that be detected before the plane runs into it or not usually?
You're using an extreme example.
That's how we pass crazy and extreme laws. "If it save just one kids life..."
58 injuries per year on average. Small chance, but probably worth keeping your lap belt on loosely so you don't whack your head against the ceiling. I was on one flight where it felt like I was on a roller coaster - but fortunately a previous flight had warned our pilot and they went around checking to make sure we were buckled up and the pilot reduced speed.
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Given that there were between 750-800 million passengers per year during the past nine years without a fatality, I still like the odds.
Source: US DOT
Probably because most are too fat. I mean car dealers actually have seatbelt extenders they can install for the true fatties.
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Generally, no. A pilot can receive a report from another plane ahead of theirs on a route that turbulence were experienced, but otherwise clear air turbulence are essentially undetectable.
Maxim: People cannot follow directions.
Increases in truth directly with the length of time spent explaining them
Okay to make a bit of light on this tragic situation has anyone else seen the footage coming out of various organisations from the disaster. The selifies are especially terrifying. Example: https://heavy.com/news/2018/04...
Doesn't anyone know how to use a god damn oxygen mask? I mean it has been a staple part of flight safety demonstrations since the 80s, but really look at the selfies, NO ONE seems to know how the oxygen masks work. Like people have them attached to their chins and stuff, I'm genuinely surprised no one is wearing one like a hat.
Usually the pilot detects turbulence, switches on the seatbelt sign and proceeds to fly around it. So the passengers feel nothing and may get a false sense that it is meaningless to have their seatbelts on even when the sign is lit up.
Occasionally the turbulence won't show on the radar and it takes the pilot by surprise. When you've experienced that, you realize that the really serious turbulence comes when the seatbelt sign is off, so you keep it on all the time. The seatbelt sign only comes on during takeoff and landing, to get everyone in their seats for duty free sales, or when the pilot is already taking evasive action to avoid turbulence.
The use of the word "bravely" stuck me also as peculiar; after all, what choice did she have? But on reflection, it's accurate, if perhaps superfluous. If she had panicked, things could have turned out much worse.
What bothered me about your post is your denigration of her motives; your attack is mean and unjustified.
Many people in emergencies, particularly if they are trained, do what is proper for the situation without first analyzing their motives. First, do what's right.
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When you have been on a flight with *REAL* turbulence; the type where if you are not seated and wearing a belt you are going to be smashed like a rag doll off the ceiling and couple of seconds later the floor of the plane you wear your seat belt on a plane for every second it is possible to do so.
I've flown a lot and always keep my seatbelt on for just that reason. You never know when you may hit turbulence, especially clear air turbulence, which can seriously injure you if you are not belted in.
Perhaps living in europe where wearing seat belts are compulsory by law in a car we are more used to wearing restraining belts for long periods of time.
Most US stare have some sort of compulsory seat belt laws but enforcement varies and you are not likely to get stopped for not wearing a seatbelt unless you did something to piss the cop off and he needs an excuse to stop you. As for Europe, I would guess compliance varies by country. When I lived in Switzerland the cops would stop you for not wearing a seatbelt, while in Italy you could buy a fake seatbelt strap t shirt so it appeared you are using the seatbelt.
Regardless not wearing a seat belt while seated on a plane is a pointless risk to take in my view.
Without pointless risk takers there'd be no Darwin Awards...
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Nothing teachers you about staying calm like landing on a pitching deck at night...in the rain and high winds.
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She landed a plane after the engine exploded with a hole in the fuselage. She will be flying Airforce 1 after this.
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Incredible. You know this, and yet you completely overlook all the information packed into the words.
Yes, these words have a lot of information. They're subtly trying to tell you that the pilot is destined to die of cancer.
It works like this: braveness is a thing that you find in every single person who ever tragically died of cancer. These are tragedies, and all tragedies are caused by character flaws (hamartia), which psychically manifest in the cells. The flaw brings them down, but they always face it courageously in spite of their fears. That is: bravery and cancer-causing character flaws are linked. While the cause/effect hasn't been sorted out yet, we're pretty sure that either bravery causes the flaw that causes the cancer, or the flaw that causes cancer also causes bravery.
Anyway, if someone does something brave, that tends to imply they have cancer. Here you are, getting all pedantic while the press is trying to tastefully slip you interesting information without getting all sensational or embarrassingly personal about it. Shame on you.
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Most of my experience has come on flights across the Pacific. On one flight the turbulence was such that the flight attendant who was walking to check that everyone had their seat belts on went a good 6-12" off the floor but was able to catch herself as her feet made contact by grabbing onto the arm of the seat next to her and landing in a crouched position. Most turbulence has not been so dramatic, but it should be taken seriously.
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For me the pilot new the turbulence was coming, everyone was warned, the stewardess came round and checked everything, and then during the descent for landing it hit, there was going to be no flying around it :-)
That said it was a truly eye opening experience. I won't say it was scary because I had confidence that the plane could handle it. However I now always keep my seatbelt done up all the time. I am quite sure that everyone on that flight does the same too. As would anyone who has experienced bad turbulence. If you are not strapped down you will be tossed around the cabin like a rag doll.
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Q did not post either of those things.
As a pilot: my CFI told me it wasn't really turbulence until your head hit the ceiling with your seatbelt still on.
Then that kept happening to me! (I am a lot taller than him...)
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It was the first accident fatality ever of a Southwest passenger. The other accident killed a kid in a car outside the airport fence. Not too bad for an airline that has been operating for 47 years.
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Now to the passengers. What does it say about the priorities of us American's that when confronted with "literally these were my last moments on earth" the finality of our lives, that we just want to broadcast it through Zuck's website?
"I Facebook LIVED the entire experience. I literally thought these were my last moments on earth. It was so terrifying!!”"
No I don't want to sit and reflect, don't want to think of my family & friends, pray, reminisce, hell even hold the hand of the human being sitting next to you. Instead I want to shakily focus a cellphone camera on my face, so as to create a snuff tape for the masses. My surviving family will certainly enjoy that memento...What is wrong with people?
They could crap their pants, cry or laugh...didn't matter
The pilot dealt with the dangerous situation while exhibiting bravery (not crapping her pants, crying, or laughing)
I'm confused. Are you stupid? Do you not know what bravery means??
If the woman kept it together at all after a the front half of an engine exploding, firing hypersonic projectiles into the cabin causing its very rapid depressurization (enough to pull a woman through a window) then she exhibited bravery. Since she continued flying the plane, she bravely flew the plane. If she landed with shit in her pants like I likely would have, then perhaps she didn't bravely fly the plane.
Did you hear how calm her voice was when she told ATC about the damage? My wife would be shrieking and panicking more than that if we'd run out of a particular kind of ham for the kids' lunches.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It's not the feet hitting the floor on the way down that's the issue, it's your head hitting the roof on the way up. In the aisle there's a bit more headroom, but in your seat you don't have 12" clearance from the overhead lockers.
I believe a few years back a woman died from a broken neck when the plane hit some mucky air and dropped twenty feet and she obeyed Newton's first law and carried on moving horizontally ... at least for a fraction of a second.
This is why they now tell you to strap in at all times.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
These engines are jacketed in a kevlar or fiberglass honeycomb composite designed to absorb the energy of a blade-off event and protect the aircraft as well as the passengers inside from fragments. Over time kevlar degrades and I would assume that there is a maintenance change out for the ballistic jacket of these engines.
See here for video of the damaged engine. Note that the front of the ballistic honeycomb (two green layers with a metal layer in between) has been shattered. (NTSB video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
If you want to see what it should look like during and after a blade off event, check out this video: (A380 blade off test) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The airlines have been pushed for decades towards lower and lower prices, but sometimes it is better to spend some extra money on safety inspections and maintenance overhauls.
In my opinion, unless violation of rules or gross negligence by a specific employee or employees can be shown, C level executives and the board of directors for all corporations should be personally and if appropriate criminally liable for the actions, accidents and/or criminal actions of the companies that they run.
If this turns out to be a maintenance shortage or an improperly stored replacement cowling or a blade with a known problem that wasn't pulled due to either short spares or flight schedule, someone should go to prison for negligent homicide.
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That's how we pass crazy and extreme laws. "If it save just one kids life..."
I think you are confused with talk-back radio. Actual politicians who create actual laws tend to be a little more thorough than that.
You have just mocked every solider in every war, that is bravery taking actions when you are afraid and can run away, well, to be shot any how at a latter date but you get the idea. Being a professional and doing your job when you have no other choice is not that brave, not really and if she failed, than those who trained her and those who selected her should be fired. Your typical fireman is more brave, your typical police officer is more brave, your typical teacher is more brave (well at least in primary school, kids, wow the stress of a class full, plus the legal ramifications;). The words a bit trollish seem to have completely bypassed your brain circuitry, I do find that interesting ;P.
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See I don't get this whole vagina thing, really kind of stupid, you are aware the vagina is the one organ in a women's body specifically designed to sexually pleasure men, the womb et all, is the reproductive organ, the vagina is a penis massager in order to stimulate pleasure and ejaculation in men (really all kinds of stupid for feminists to talk about it, that would be feminist logic at work I guess).
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No.. No, I definitely have not. They are also brave. Lots of people are brave.
brave
adjective, braver, bravest.
1. possessing or exhibiting courage or courageous endurance.
2. making a fine appearance.
3. Archaic. excellent; fine; admirable.
I fear I have fed a troll.
Actually the vagina thing is meant to be a joke. PS the reason of course feminist chose the vagina, the penis massager over the womb because of course if you don't have children as a woman, (womb man, so to fix words you should have 'pe'man or I prefer 'te'man, change a few words rather than change many), you would be a failure if your celebrated the womb, rather than the penis massager 'er' vagina (don't blame me for evolution).
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