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Tech Conferences Moving North as Trump Policies Turn Off Attendees (financialpost.com)
The Collision Conference, one of North America's most influential technology gatherings, tweeted on Tuesday: "We've got some news. It's about Toronto. But we'll let Justin Trudeau tell you about it." What followed was a video in which the prime minister announced that Collision, which typically boasts 25,000 attendees, will be coming to Canada in 2019. From a report: "I'm happy you chose Toronto to host North America's fastest growing tech conference for the next three years, but I have to say, I'm not completely surprised," Trudeau said. "Toronto is a key global tech hub and an example of the diversity that is our strength." And Collision is not alone in coming north. At least two other major technology conferences have recently made the decision to relocate to Canada, lured in part by Toronto's burgeoning tech sector, but also driven by travel restrictions imposed by U.S. President Donald Trump, policies that have left organizers scrambling to accommodate those who can't visit the United States.
In mid-April, Creative Commons, an international non-profit dedicated to the legal sharing of digital content, held their global summit in Toronto for the second year in a row. "The political climate in the U.S., specifically the open hostility from the current administration towards many international communities, and the anxiety from those we work with about how they might be treated was definitely a deciding factor," said Ryan Merkley, CEO of Creative Commons. "What's most unfortunate is that this approach is so inconsistent with the views of the many collaborative communities we work with every day in the U.S."
At Access Now, a non-profit that organizes the RightsCon digital rights conference, Trump's travel ban on seven predominantly Muslim countries hit close to home. "One of our interns at the time was an Iranian citizen with a U.S. green card, and she wasn't able to leave the country to go to Brussels to help us organize the (2017) event," RightsCon director Nick Dagostino said. For years, RightsCon has alternated between San Francisco and a series of global venues, and after last year's event in Brussels, heading back to California would have been the natural choice. But then, people started telling Access Now that if the event happened in the U.S., they wouldn't show up.
In mid-April, Creative Commons, an international non-profit dedicated to the legal sharing of digital content, held their global summit in Toronto for the second year in a row. "The political climate in the U.S., specifically the open hostility from the current administration towards many international communities, and the anxiety from those we work with about how they might be treated was definitely a deciding factor," said Ryan Merkley, CEO of Creative Commons. "What's most unfortunate is that this approach is so inconsistent with the views of the many collaborative communities we work with every day in the U.S."
At Access Now, a non-profit that organizes the RightsCon digital rights conference, Trump's travel ban on seven predominantly Muslim countries hit close to home. "One of our interns at the time was an Iranian citizen with a U.S. green card, and she wasn't able to leave the country to go to Brussels to help us organize the (2017) event," RightsCon director Nick Dagostino said. For years, RightsCon has alternated between San Francisco and a series of global venues, and after last year's event in Brussels, heading back to California would have been the natural choice. But then, people started telling Access Now that if the event happened in the U.S., they wouldn't show up.
I, for one, will have all of my conferences in Canada until the war's back on.
And WW1 for that matter. Bring back the phosgene attacks!
Screw those elitists. We don't need them. We've got coal. Beautiful clean coal! Trump/Blankenship 2020!!
The US would be a much better place with higher standards of living without them anyway. Itâ(TM)s a win-win for the kids that didnâ(TM)t succumb to the educational system brainwashing here
I know, right? Thanks Obama.
It's not even Trump. Companies have been trying to convince people to move conventions out of the US since the Obama administration.
The bottom line is that the TSA and ICE makes attempting to attend anything in the US far too annoying to deal with. Not to mention that the weather in the majority of the US is, at best, inconvenient. More conventions should move to Canada.
But don't blame Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a long time, and it's not Trump's fault. It's the US's fault in general.
I guess California lost out on this prosperous event.
Kind of funny punishing one of the states most vocal against President Trump
It doesn't matta.
Check your premises.
Are we going to get polar bear replant in grab bags? Also should we be concerned with crazy speed limits (e.g. 60 on a side streets)? Also, I don't speak French, so would I be able to book a hotel? Also, I heard they put mayo on everything and Canadian Bacon isn't real bacon.
Didn't we just have a story the other day about the Chinese stealing some technology?
And these retards think doing something to prevent that is "open hostility".
Facepalm!
And don't even fucking try to suggest that the Muslim countries are bringing anything to these tech conferences except perhaps how to build a better suicide vest.
I lived in the US (studied, then worked); I have good friends there; I have a Swiss passport, so no problem for me at all entering the US. But I have chosen not to go there anymore, for the past two years (that includes at least one technical conference per year).
Two reasons for me: #1) I don't feel safe anymore in a country that has such an unpredictable and authoritarian police force, and #2) I don't think it is ethical of me to condone the current US policies towards foreigners (of which I am one), even though I would personally (probably) would have not problems while visiting.
I would love to go back, but will not do it while these conditions last.
"One of our interns at the time was an Iranian citizen with a U.S. green card, and she wasn't able to leave the country to go to Brussels to help us organize the (2017) event,"
RightsCon was at the end of March 2017; Feb 1, 2017 (less than a week after it was issued) the administration made it clear that the temporary restrictions did not apply to green card holders. (Furthermore, two days after the order was issued, the court ruled that it couldn't apply to green card holders.)
Well, people are voting with their feet -- or at least their dollars.
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Because so many great ideas and people come from those countries?
Not really.
The single most important reason the conference is going to Toronto is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
They're within their rights to do whatever they see fit.
But if they have problems with national and immigration security, that's entirely their problem as well.
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These are not tech conferences. Two of those are activism conferences, and Collision is near-tech.
LMAO why study coding when all you need is a different shade of skin color? Then, combined with others with slightly different skin colors, you become unbeatably powerful. How can Chinese or Japanese hackers even compete with Canada without this diversity!? They would never win any tech competiti- oh... oh....... OHHHHHHHHHHH.
Being that the loonie is about $0.78 to the greenback.
I understood everything you said until, "...Not to mention that the weather in the majority of the US is, at best, inconvenient. More conventions should move to Canada..." Seriously, you're going to argue that Canada has better weather???
*canadian* dollars, eh?
Except Trumps rhetoric has accelerated it. The companies may had tried to move it out of the US. But for the most part people around the world wanted to Visit the Mighty United States, not the Luigi Second Player country Canada. So these companies stayed in the US. Trump with his anti-forger rhetoric has made the United States seem unwelcoming to these foreign visitors. Even if there isn't any additional policy, the rhetoric and tweeting from the guy in charge, make the United States unwelcoming.
Now Trump was technically elected by the populous so this means there are a lot of citizens with this belief, which will not help people make the decision to go to and invest in the US or not.
Is it 100% Trumps fault... No, but he is a reflection of America and its values on the whole. A lot of this stuff happened during Obama and Bush. Partially due to 9/11 fear, Middle eastern Wars, followed up by the Great Recession. So with 9/11 we have an enemy and we "know" how they look like. Then when the recession hit everyone is fighting for work, so having additional competition isn't welcomed.
The Recovery of the Recession (which I will blame on Obama) wasn't very spread out, they were clear winners and looser, So while the economy was gowing there was a population who couldn't be lifted off their butts, mainly due to policies that do not understand that demographic. Who has been suffering for much longer are more apt to stay angry and lash out with additional stupid.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
They're within their rights to do whatever they see fit.
But if they have problems with national and immigration security, that's entirely their problem as well.
In other words it's mission accomplished for Trump. He has kicked the evil coastal intellectual elites who are to blame for everything that goes wrong in the USA around to the point where they are leaving the country. Cue a large schadenfreude related endorphin rush for Trumpkins everywhere, and the attack on the education system means that the nation as a whole is being dumbified on an unprecedented scale .... but, while you applaud this like all Trumpkins, on some subconscious level you yourself still have this nagging feeling that this is mostly a bad development for the US because it ain't Trump voting high school dropouts who design computers, build power plants, railways electricity grids and stealth-fighters.
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Yeah, and more of them.
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>> Collision Conference, one of North America's most influential technology gatherings
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If you have to tell people you're "influential", you aren't influential. Wake me up when RSA heads to Vancouver.
Well, she will not be able to go to Toronto for the same reason.
"Influential" my behind...
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I live "up north" and I can tell you these people are idiots.
We have just as much political bullshit up here as they do anywhere else in the world, including the US. The difference is that we don't have CSPAN on 24/7 so people just talk about it less.
The grass is not greener on the other side. Fix your shit where you live because that's the only place the world will become a better place.
Creative Commons summit and RightsCon sound like idealogy conferences. Collision Conference sounds like a business conference (for people who want to someday be involved in a genuine business).
Where are they holding conferences for people who know how to do stuff?
Pointing our logical inconsistencies in progressive whargarbl is now "soft racism"? No wonder Trump is in office. You put him there.
Saudi Arabia - 15
United Arab Emirates - 2
Egypt - 1
Lebanon - 1
The number indicated how many radicals from these countries were 9/11 attackers.
I'm pretty sure none of the above countries are 'banned'.
I mean seriously. how many people coming to these conferences are in the handful of countries on the travel ban? I cant imagine its that many. This is just virtue signaling at its finest.
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and yet, the ban doesn't cover any of the 4 countries where the 9-11 attackers came from (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon and Egypt). Nor does it cover the countries producing more recent terrorists (Afghanistan & Pakistan). It only seems to cover what the president would call "shithole" countries. But no, you must be right, it's all about terrorism.
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"Muslim" isn't a race any more than "Catholic" or "American", you numpty fucking cunt.
...still have this nagging feeling that this is mostly a bad development for the US because it ain't Trump voting high school dropouts who design computers, build power plants, railways electricity grids and stealth-fighters.
If worked for an actual engineering firm (not some silly valley app-shop startup) you might be surprised at the leanings of many engineers.
Maybe they thought he was talking about them.
You're right. While the last year's political rhetoric doesn't help, and for people from a number of countries and backgrounds is definitely a strong factor, this has been building for a long time, ever since 9/11.
I'm British, I don't have any kind of history or family connections that might be in any way raise suspicions, but I've still felt nervous about the idea of travelling to the US over the last few years, simply because of how much of a pain in the backside the combination of immigration and the TSA are. I'd be worried that if I somehow said something in the wrong way I'd be misinterpreted and that would be it. An ex-colleague of mine spent a night in immigration detention because he used the wrong form of words to describe the nature of his (work related) visit. It took some very expensive lawyers from the client to sort things out.
Sadly, the same is true for many coming here to the UK. We have had an immigration policy whose aim has explicitly been to create a "hostile environment" for illegal immigration. The problem is that this has created a mindset among immigration and border staff that basically assumes everyone is trying to get in illegally until proven otherwise, everyone is crooked, and everyone is wrong. It's lead to something like 50% of asylum decisions being thrown out by the courts, and a recent scandal about the Caribbean immigrants who came here in the 1950s and 60s at the invitation of the UK government who are now having to prove their right to stay, in part because the immigration service destroyed a load of historic documentation.
I'm honestly surprised that anyone would ever want to come here. Which I suppose is the aim.
Is that like an 8-track tape or maybe a horse and buggy?
Then when the recession hit everyone is fighting for work, so having additional competition isn't welcomed.
Sorry dude, its not about economic anxiety. That's just one of those fairytales we tell ourselves to avoid confronting ugly truths about our fellow citizens. The majority of people earning under $50K/yr voted for Clinton.
Spoken like someone who has never lived in Canada...so let me enlighten you. When you enter Canada:
(1) You are not greeted with somber armed guards giving you stern looks and barking monosyllable words.
(2) You are not fingerprinted, photographed, or otherwise put through a "mild" police arrest process
(3) People actually don't care what color your skin is or which country you came from. All they care about is who you are and what you do. For proof, check out the Canadian Defense Minister and try to imagine how much uproar you'd get in US if the Secretary of Defense looked like him.
(4) Above all, observe how much more civilized the society is over there.
So why is it a surprise that modern conferences would feel more at home there than in the US?
PS For visceral contrast between the two countries, watch the video of the police take down of the suspect who had just rammed down two dozen people on the sidewalk: [Youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOW05IVejNE
Did you see any paramilitary police force in the video? Did you hear Canada raising the terror alert or people calling for banning whatever ethnicity that moron was from? Did you even hear his name or ethnicity while the crap was going down during the day?
Now imagine the same incident happening in the US. Heck imagine holding a cell phone in your grandparents backyard while your back is to the cops...oh wait, you don't have to imagine that last one; it actually happened.
The fact is that people almost all muslim countries on earth can travel to the USA. The ban is on a handful of countries that are rife with radical terrorists. If we were banning muslim countries we'd have banned the other 43 countries. idiots
The real idiocy here is that the much lauded Trump Muslim-ban is not on Lebanon, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi Arabia whose citizens actually conducted and financed the 911 attacks. Iran? It is actually fun to watch Trump supporters try and explain that one away, it's like watching a severely constipated person holding their breath and pushing really hard while seriously contemplating digging it out with a stick.
What does Noel Fielding have to do with this?
I think you are having trouble identifying the actual retard. Go look in a mirror
Global warming is really doing us a solid, eh?
... Historically. Thus far, we've had an abbreviated spring and jumped straight into summer atm, "humidity index" and all.
Treat Toronto like potential Orlando this summer, or you'll be sorely disappointed.
Oh man, i know i wanted to go!
https://collisionconf.com/ just look at those speakers!
sophia bush, wyclef jean, jeremy king, mark hurd.
these are Pillars of the tech community!
there are what, four? five speakers of any legitimate value to the tech world? lin, verdone, wolfram, maybe massimino depending on what he's speaking on.
plus the difficulty a third of their base is going to have, getting Into canada to attend.
this is a comedy clusterfuck, and this article is yet another representation of paid advertising on /. masquerading as a story.
Humidity? What humidity? Oh, you mean the white fog over the mountains? That's not normal, is it?
Perhaps that is true. However, there is also the issue that visas in general are harder to get even if you're not on the travel ban. I am an American, living in France and I know that some of my colleagues do not want to travel to the US (for business or pleasure) due to the hassle. This has to be reducing the number of people who want to visit for any reason. This type of feedback probably gets back to the people who run conferences and may have an effect on where they choose to hold them.
I know from personal my own travels that entering the US (even as an American) is a worse experience than entering France. The American border control just seems hostile - the way they question people, etc. I always feel unwelcome when returning despite their big signs saying "Welcome to the US". When entering France they just glance at the passport, stamp it and let you through (I'm sure they already pre-screened me somehow). Note that the hostility also exists when entering the UK- perhaps it is a general Anglo-Saxon problem.
Sorry dude, its not about economic anxiety. That's just one of those fairytales we tell ourselves to avoid confronting ugly truths about our fellow citizens. The majority of people earning under $50K/yr voted for Clinton.
The anxiety of the stereotypical "Trump voter" is not coming from those in poverty / near-poverty for the most part. Those people get by and re-enter the workforce in large part because of safety nets championed by Democrats. Trump voters on the other hand are more likely to to have decent working class and middle class jobs they are afraid of losing. And these jobs tend to provide household incomes above $50k/yr. When you combine Trump voters with the rest of Republican voters you find that less than a third of those who voted for Trump were in the working class or lower.
Only a small fraction of people who voted for Trump are included in the what politicians consider "Trump voters". The rest were simply traditional Republicans. But these additional Trump voters are the ones that got him elected since they included so many independent voters. When people discuss the trends which helped Trump win they aren't talking about everyone who voted for Trump, just the ones who swung the election. So your statistics about the demographics of all voters who voted for Trump and Clinton show us nothing about the factors which led to his victory.
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Hopefully they can convince all illegals to move up north too!
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So as much as I hate Trump, this is not something new. He is just the one that sees that the bucket is filled faster and wil be the one that causes it to overflow.
But do not kid yourself. This is not a Trump problem, this is an American problem that is caused by both the right and right of right bi-party system.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
" It is actually fun to watch Trump supporters try and explain that one away, it's like watching a severely constipated person holding their breath and pushing really hard while seriously contemplating digging it out with a stick."
It should be like that, and would be if they actually tried to explain.
But in practice, they don't try, and it's usually something-somethig-Hillary or some like blather.
We do get SIGGRAPH here.
The Electoral College BTFO'd that sentiment. Just as they did about 5 more times in American history when the popular vote didn't favour the same candidate for President.
This is a rare decision for the Electoral College, but it's still normal for the United States government so far as I can tell. That's why all this kicking and screaming about Trump is annoying. Like no President has been caught doing potentially criminally bad things before, like no President was a divisive character before, that no President made stupid mistakes either in the past or during the presidency itself?
Work with the asshole instead of against them if you can't find solid evidence for impeaching, because otherwise you're only stalling the progress of *your own country* by fighting them every step of the way instead. It's a waste of time and taxpayer money if you're fighting about anything but how the country should move forward and progress.
Are these politicians so privileged that they've never had to work for a boss they hated?
Take your silly ass conference and all its pompous self-important "influence" to the moon for all I care. Never heard of it, doesn't matter to my life. Like just about all conferences.
Since Bush. This all started with 9/11.
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My most recent time entering Canada (from Swanton, VT), I was greeted by a heavily armed man - AR (or Canuckistan equivalent), body armor, tear gas, the works. He asks for ID, asks the customary questions, looks at my ID - noting that I'm from Minnesota. Then: "One last important question before I let you into my country." Dramatic pause. Shit - am I being mistaken for someone else? Is he going to turn me away? What's going on? "How about that new Vikings stadium? That looks pretty sweet!"
We know. You got founding daddy and handcock issues. BIGLY.
If you understood what the actual ban was based on instead of hyperbolic lying media talking heads then you would know it's about the governments not properly identifying extremists or adequate vetting so that we can determine who would be a risk entering the country.
Have a background record that details the criminal activity of an individual? Not part of the ban. Ignore requests for criminal activity and obfuscate the process that ensures extremists enter the country? Ban.
This is not even news, it is just a PR play by the government to distract from their failures and broken promises as well as trying to influence the upcoming provincial elections.
If Trudeau actually followed through on his two largest campaign promises then he wouldn't need to make these kind of announcements, unfortunately he backed out of election reform and is stalling on pot legalization. These are both political plays and have nothing to do with what is best for the country as now he has backtracked again and is offering election campaign reform which is bs compared to his promise of a ranked voting election promise.
I would even see this post as a slashvertizement for the canadian liberal government as two of the conferences mentioned are activist conferences with a remote link to tech and the main conference is more of a marketing conference for social media influencer's and other narcissists who constantly need to pat themselves on the back.
Something tells me if the diversity moved North like these conferences we'd do just fine.
FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR IT ALL !!!!! and please stay the fuck out with your nonsense. if you buy what the media is selling you, we're better off without you.
Not to mention that the weather in the majority of the US is, at best, inconvenient.
You were doing okay
until you slipped and blurted-out the above made-up shit.
Geez; is it so fucking hard for you dumbasses to "play a tight hand?" Ever heard the expression "don't let your underwear show??"
Pathetic.
Sadly, the same is true for many coming here to the UK.
Brazilian here. I went to England earlier this year and was very well treated.
It started in France, when I was greeted by a smiling customs official (!) on arriving at CDG. Days later I proceeded to England via Eurotrain. At Gare du Nord the British Officer was a colored lady, who, while not particularly happy, made only a few reasonable question and let me in.
Ok I'm brown-haired, hazel-eyed, fair-skinned and handsome looking. But I prefer to think they were just polite and civilized.
Canada has the best 21-hours summer of every country in the world.
FTFY
They make it sound like Canada just lets anyone in without question. Having traveled north and talked with several Canadian couleaugs who have traveled to the USA, they seem to have a much easier time coming here than vise versa.
So you mean horseshit like the topic? Yeah we all see your tiny cocks Amerikans. We ALL see them. So tiny.
So this is bad news. Those terrorists that are banned will not be able to go to the USA anymore. Since they contribute so much to technology.
Or. Conferences are about making money. Toronto paid a high price to get it there. And that is why it held their. Politics aside, tech businesses are greedy exactly at the same level as ever other business on earth.
They got bribed, as it is commonplace for these types of events. And they think the political âspinâ(TM) is a bonus. ONLY NAIVE people will actually believe this.
How many important, influential players are really blocked? They will not say. Because it is not happening.
They stick to vague statements and claims. And the lesbian prime minister of Canada just keeps spouting diversity is strength which is a nonsense statement. Those works strung together make no sense.
Diversity is our strength... because ... why? Oh right. Giving priority to anyone who it not a citizen. Give them free housing. Give them free passes when breaking the law. By ruthlessly RAPING any whey women they can drag to an alleyway to gang rape. They call her a hater while she bleeds from her pussy and is forced to have the bastard child.
Lets see. Europe UK. Canada. Australia. Lets see. We got 6 more years of protection from trump. Lets see how these other countries end up. Lets see. We do not need to be in a hurry to change
Lets see. Observe the other countries. No one knows the future. Maybe those countries will be ok. Maybe not. I predict they will not be ok. But I can not see the future.
Anyone who claims they âknowâ(TM) how these extreme changes will affect the countries is a lair. Knowing is from specific knowledge. Are we donâ(TM)t have that.
This is the first time in written history where hordes of Muslims are allowed to enter these sovereign countries without there being an actual invasion. Itâ(TM)s never been voluntary.
And as twisted as these illiterates have twisted Islam, well, conquering is the objective. This is why they are not integrating. This is why they are raping to genetically change the gene pool.
Girls. Once you have babies from men not of your race - specifically white women â" you are effectively ending your ethnicity. Your ancestors gene pool is ended. Your linkage is ended.
And while blacks understand the importance of marrying blacks. And Latinos understand the importance of marring Latinos - white women have been trained by brainwashing to have babies with anyone, as long as they are not white.
Your grand parents understand this. When you have a mixed baby, those children can never go back to pure European ethnicity.
In fact, their heritage is confusing to them. And they can never pure white, Latino, Asian, or African ethnic children.
The further the generations go, the less they will even look like their ancestors. This is important because identity, more than ever, have become critical. Especially from the democrats.
Do you see influential people having mixed babies? NO. Absolutely not. This is a fact. Only the poor people are doing this. The pot class losses itâ(TM)s ancestry while the rich keeps it.
Didnâ(TM)t realize that, did you.
It's simple. The ban is on countries that are currently exporting terrorism.
...most of the gnashing of teeth is performed bu the useful idiots.
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Except Trumps rhetoric has accelerated it.
You throw that out as the culmination of conclusions supporting some position using some evidence that you haven't provided.
And for that conclusion to matter...for there to be any validity to that claim, certain assumptions have to be made.
First, you have to assume that some member of the public anywhere really cares about what any political figure say, it all sounds like rhetoric unless you believe it enough to have an opinion about it. I don't. I come to no conclusions based on any ability I might think I have - the ability to know what's in someone else's heart - if I can help it. If I can't weigh it, smell it, or measure it, I don't consider it in my conclusions. Actions speak louder than words, sticks and stones, and yada yada yada. It's all lies, all day every day and twice on Sunday.
Then, you have to also assume that results are what some people ONLY use to determine the worth of their appointed representative. I'm one of those. I look at what's been done and I approve. I thought the lack of emphasis on jobs prior to this administration was disturbing and that business wasn't being a priority, because I believe that the most important thing a government can provide is, a right that if a citizen within their sphere of influence wants to work, they have the best chance gov can provide to do so. Secondary, I think the government should be providing, to the best of it's ability, opportunities within their sphere of influence. I think that's a right of it's citizens. Evidence of the gov's priorities for those highest of rights, and others as recognized, should determine what the approval level for that government is. For this world to be perfect, people need jobs and opportunity, and I start there.
All of which serves as at least a valid conclusion for those that disagree with your assertion to have. At that point, you'll need to provide evidence that supports your conclusion. Measure the effect of Trump's rhetoric and provide citations and bring the results back to this discussion... or you're just spreading rhetoric yourself.
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So your statistics about the demographics of all voters who voted for Trump and Clinton show us nothing about the factors which led to his victory.
Oh, that was just a tiny little taste. You want some hard core facts? Buckle the fuck up.
"The individual data do not suggest that those who view Trump favorably are confronting abnormally high economic distress, by conventional measures of employment and income," ...
"People living in zip codes with disproportionately high shares of white residents are significantly and robustly more likely to view Trump favorably," he writes. "Those living in zip codes with overall diversity that is low relative to their commuting zone are also far more likely to view Trump favorably." Put another way: If you're in the whitest suburb in your area, you're likelier to back Trump. ...
Areas with more manufacturing are significantly less likely to support Trump. An increase in the level of manufacturing employment from 2000 to 2007 predicted higher Trump support — which is the opposite of what you'd expect, given the narrative around this campaign.
Donald Trump's supporters are LESS likely to be affected by trade and immigration, not more
You can ask just one simple question to find out whether someone likes Donald Trump more than Hillary Clinton: Is Barack Obama a Muslim? If they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.
That’s more accurate than asking people if it’s harder to move up the income ladder than it was for their parents (54 percent), whether they oppose trade deals (66 percent), or if they think the economy is worse now than last year (81 percent). It’s even more accurate than asking them if they are Republican (87 percent).
The easiest way to guess if someone supports Trump? Ask if Obama is a Muslim.
Evidence suggests financially troubled voters in the white working class were more likely to prefer Clinton over Trump. Besides partisan affiliation, it was cultural anxiety—feeling like a stranger in America, supporting the deportation of immigrants, and hesitating about educational investment—that best predicted support for Trump.
It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump
A study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences questions that explanation, the latest to suggest that Trump voters weren’t driven by anger over the past, but rather fear of what may come. White, Christian and male voters, the study suggests, turned to Mr. Trump because they felt their status was at risk.
“It’s much more of a symbolic threat that people feel,’’ said Diana C. Mutz, the author of the study and a political science and communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania, where she directs the Institute for the Study of Citizens and Politics. “It’s not a threat to their own economic well-being; it’s a threat to their group’s dominance in our country over all.”
Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety
Not enough for you? This guy summarized even more studies: Donald Trump won the GOP primary and the presidency because campaigning on whiteness-first messaging still has potency in the 21st century.
They have been hostile long before Trump was in office. And anyway getting a visa to the US is no different than getting a visa to any country that requires it. Sorry it is a hassle to them, but we don't live in a world any longer where easy travel is exactly required. Unfortunately some religious extremists saw to that. Blame them.
We don't hate everyone. We like our hard working and highly educated asian (legal) immigrants. Not so keen on all the uneducated "refugees".
Have you considered that this ban has nothing to do with an event that happened 17 years ago?
No one has mentioned that they've previously held Collision in New Orleans for the past few years. Not exactly a global tech hub with many direct flights.
"Muslim" isn't a race any more than "Catholic" or "American", you numpty fucking cunt.
There is no such thing as race within the homo-sapien species. Racism has never been exclusively biological and has often if not primarily had cultural origins. The more we assume that race is limited to skin color, the less we understand about contemporary racism faced by Muslims at home and abroad.
Perhaps you also believe antisemitism is not racism either, or are you simply inconsistent in your beliefs on racism and race in general?
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Or, perhaps the parameters are just more complex. Say, people with economic anxiety who WEREN'T minorities, and thus demonized by the GOP.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
You obviously haven't flown into Toronto recently.
Canadian customs & immigration must have learned their operating methods from the US you are describing.
Exactly! In the US if you hope for good weather, you'll generally be correct. But hoping for good weather on any specific day may not turn out so well.
In Canada you know the weather is going to suck, so you prepare accordingly and won't be disappointed.
--XYZZY--
TAKE OFF! To the great green north!
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
I mean seriously. how many people coming to these conferences are in the handful of countries on the travel ban? I cant imagine its that many. This is just virtue signaling at its finest.
How self-centered do you have to be to see someone else getting kicked in nuts and think, "no problem as long as I'm not getting kicked in the nuts?" Anyone with even just half a brain or half a heart will see that and decide they don't want to have anything to do someone who likes kicking anyone in the nuts.
For you to write off common sense as "virtue signaling" just reveals that you have neither virtue nor common sense.
I mean seriously. how many people coming to these conferences are in the handful of countries on the travel ban? I cant imagine its that many.
Maybe so but moving the conference to Toronto lets them come too and the only one that is hurt is the country that's being a dick.
"But don't blame Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a long time, and it's not Trump's fault. It's the US's fault in general."
This would be true if I didn't have coworkers from Iran who were forbidden to travel by Trump's policies.
So, NO, you are not correct. There's been mumbling about moving conferences for years, but now it's mainstream action based on ever-changing racist policies personally signed by DONALD J TRUMP which affect the same members of a team travelling to a conference differently depending on their background.
*I* don't want to attend conferences when my peers are excluded.
Fuck yeah! And fuck Zuck!
What about landed immigrants in Canada who have passports from these countries?
Trump's new plan for coal-powered smartphones is headed for so much bigly success, it will make your head spin!
Winning!
I mean seriously. how many people coming to these conferences are in the handful of countries on the travel ban? I cant imagine its that many.
The problem is that even in conferences where the attendees from those banned may be a mere handful of people, it creates a dillema for the organizers in that holding it in the United States would be limiting the participation and viewpoints from people from those country. For scientific conferences in particular, which try to stay above politics and promote dialogue in their field, limiting dialogue by denying entry even to a single person would be a betrayal of their principles to promote scientific understanding.
And I think we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Conferences take years ahead of time to organize so the effect hasn't been fully felt yet.
No causality is proven by any of that. How big a surprise is it that black people vote Democrat (to pick the easiest example)? None of the rest is any better thought-through, but I don't feel like responding to all that BS.
It's kinda funny that Trudeau cites "diversity" as their strength. Canada has a higher percentage of white folks per capita than the US, or at least has historically.
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/...
Their largest non-white demographic, unlike the US, is Asian. To some groups like BLM, that doesn't really even count.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
No causality is proven by any of that.
What it does prove is that the assertion of causality between 'economic anxiety' and voting for trump is contrafactual.
How big a surprise is it that black people vote Democrat
WTF does that have to do with anything? Black people vote democrat because the GOP is fucking racist as shit and we can all see it. They don't have anywhere else to go.
If you have to call it an "education system" something is wrong. There is no attack on education...people are just leaving the system.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
It looks like it's hard to visit Iran from several countries (US, UK, Isreal) unless in a group or approved business as well.
And "Admission is refused to women not wearing Islamic head cover, scarf, long sleeves and stockings."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It's funny how so many countries that have so many restrictions in their own countries still feel able to judge the US for having a fraction of the restrictions.
True. I have never seen left-leaning engineers. I hear they exist.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Yeah. I feel bad for Canada too
To the great green north!
If you want to take off to the green north, go for it. But do it for the right reasons.
The article is full of lies. Here is an example:
At Access Now, a non-profit that organizes the RightsCon digital rights conference, Trump's travel ban on seven predominantly Muslim countries hit close to home. "One of our interns at the time was an Iranian citizen with a U.S. green card, and she wasn't able to leave the country to go to Brussels to help us organize the (2017) event," RightsCon director Nick Dagostino said.
Lawful Permanent Residents (green card holders) have never been banned from entering the U.S., regardless of their country of birth. See also this..
If you want to disapprove of Trump (and there are indeed many reasons to do so), do it for the right reasons, not for fake news propaganda for people who just want to be a "victim" so they can complain.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
I mean seriously. how many people coming to these conferences are in the handful of countries on the travel ban? I cant imagine its that many. This is just virtue signaling at its finest.
We used to just call it opinion, or maybe choice if you took an action. Guess that was all oldthink.
It's kinda funny that Trudeau cites "diversity" as their strength. Canada has a higher percentage of white folks per capita than the US, or at least has historically.
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/...
Their largest non-white demographic, unlike the US, is Asian. To some groups like BLM, that doesn't really even count.
... says 25 year old white man.
Right. Because voting D has worked out SO well for them (cf. Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, San Fran, LA, etc).
Not enough for you? This guy summarized even more studies: Donald Trump won the GOP primary and the presidency because campaigning on whiteness-first messaging still has potency in the 21st century.
How does anything in your long post detract from the evidence that economic anxiety of white Americans as they lose their cultural dominance was a major factor in Trump's election victory? You seem to only bolster this theory. One of the articles you linked to makes an odd argument that economic anxiety and cultural anxiety are inherently different. One primary source of white American economic anxiety is the loss of their cultural dominance which fuels white privilege.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Right. Because voting D has worked out SO well for them (cf. Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, San Fran, LA, etc).
You are right, the D's have not been the greatest for black people. But they've still been 1000x better than the Rs. Like I said, they don't have anywhere else to go.
Oh well, then. I guess the easiest solution is to hold conferences in Canada. Thanks for the insight.
One of the articles you linked to makes an odd argument that economic anxiety and cultural anxiety are inherently different.
Here, let LBJ explain it for you:
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
Haha, The butthurt brigade has arrived with mod points to blow on knocking Score: 0 posts down to Score: -1. You trump davidians are such dewicate widdle snowflakes.
As opposed to Iran? Yeah. As opposed to US "shrug"
"I'm a techie and I voted for Trump. Fuck you whiny cucks."
Dewey Crowe, is that you?
"perhaps it is a general Anglo-Saxon problem" and perhaps if you said this about "Africans", "Latinos" or any other POC, the identity-politic mob would vote your post down. But it's OK to be racist as long as you are only racists against white folk.
Please keep facepalming, maybe some of your ignorance will fall out.
Imagine if what you said applied to Einstein.
I've been hassled entering and leaving Canada.
Been slightly hassled entering the UK.
Been groped and searched 2x leaving Prague. I think the guys must be gay for how much/long they squeezed my junk.
Prague was the worst, followed by Canada.
Zero hassle entering about 30 other countries. A few felt like I had to kick the guy to wake them up - South Africa, Spain, Japan. Most others were good enough for the theatre.
As for entering the USA - you know there's an app for that. Let's you skip both the immigration and custom's lines. 2 minutes all the way through - plus walking time and luggage pick up.
Leaving the USA, I never go through their scanners, so I get groped. But the groping there is very professional, not fun, but I don't feel violated. Better than getting cancer.
I don't go through scanners anywhere in the world. Most places do a terrible job and I'm happy for reverse discrimination.
Visas are a hassle, thankfully, with a US passport, over 100 countries don't require one in advance. Oddly, Australia does. Visa on arrival really does go into my choice for where I travel.
Mostly all these questions and searching are theatre. Trying to keep soccer mom's happy.
As an American, I grew up not only with the 'papers please' anti-communist rhetoric, but also that you didn't want the government to have more information on you than you had to. I mean remember what happened to the Jews because the Germans knew their geneaology/religion!
Photograph for ID? Ok. 'Faces can be faked now, so we need a thumbprint?' 'Pushing it, but alright' 'Full 3d facial imaging, plus both handprints and a DNA sample?' 'Papers please, Comrade!'
America has turned into everything a 30+ year old should abhor from their mandatory elementary indoctrination classes. And yet everybody in the US seems to have forgotten them.
It's like having to tell people when you're a genius.
It's not surprising considering that Trump's message to the world has been about the only thing he's been consistent on: If you're not of white European descent, heterosexual, and Christian, you're not welcome in the USA.
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
TAKE OFF! To the great green north!
it's a beauty way to go
The article is full of lies. Here is an example:
Lawful Permanent Residents (green card holders) have never been banned from entering the U.S., regardless of their country of birth..
Bzzzt! I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. Perhaps it's your post that's the lie? LPRs were banned as part of Trump's first travel ban. The second one (February 1, 2018) added the exemption for LPRs. See this, or basically any article that covered the travel ban. "White House Counsel Don McGahn issued 'authoritative guidance' on Wednesday clarifying that key parts of Trump's controversial executive order, which is aimed at citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries, will no longer cover green card holders ..." and "'They no longer need a waiver because if they are a legal permanent resident they won't need it anymore,' Spicer told reporters during a daily briefing."
Yeah. The weather? That's about as snowflake as you can get. Do you expect the rest of society to honestly take you seriously? It isn't the government's fault, period. Get some spine, man.
It isnâ(TM)t as if France hasnâ(TM)t had its share of terrorist attacks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack
As I said, it might be an Anglo-Saxon problem.
>linking to huffpo
Oh no, it's retarded.
And you wondered why NK wanted nukes. Yet here you are, praising that peace arose from it.
Dumbass.
Summer, what summer?
Canada has 4 seasons: winter, before-winter, after-winter, and between-winters.
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
The second one (February 1, 2018)
Typo: 2017*
"The ban is on countries that are currently exporting terrorism."
So Saudi Arabia, where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from is no longer exporting terrorism?
http://www.washingtoninstitute...
Here's an article from a couple years ago, but over a decade after 9/11 recommending that Washington work with Saudi to (and i quote) "diminish support for terrorism". Al queda is viewed as favorable / somewhat favorable by as much as 20% of the population there.
So Republicans running the state governments did better? Remind me who was governor of California in 1992? Remind me which governor was in charge of Michigan? Tell me how Rudy fixed NYC for real.
Does the Saudi Government work with the US to vet would-be travelers?
Having citizen that participated in 9/11 attack was not criteria for list made during the Obama administration. Maybe you should read what the criteria was. It certainly was *not* being muslim, or maybe Kim Jung-un (N. Korea the 8th country I didn't mention) converted to Islam when I wasn't looking.
Funny you got downmodded. I guess the truth hurts.
Seriously. Before they told us they were influential, they would have been better off to tell us who the fuck they are. I've never even heard of this conference.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Especially security conferences attract people who might be viewed as suspicious by some US 3 letter organizations, so they try to avoid that country.
On a more personal note: I have not been to the US since 9/11 and if the "security" paranoia stays the way it currently is, I will probably not visit the US again. It's a shame really, because I have family over there and overall I liked the country. But I am not going to let me be treated like a criminal.
The majority of people earning under $50K/yr voted for Clinton.
The same clown shoes polling that guaranteed HRC would win in a landslide.
How'd that turn out?
Even though I have a US passport, I find travelling to the US too stressful these days. Iâ(TM)m going to Microsoft build next week, but will avoid state side trips until shit become a little more sane there.
#facts
Funny, in the past 15 years of my career working at Fortune 50 companies I've never met any right leaning engineers, except the ones that get fired for incompetence.
yes... because banning people from countries known to harbor terrorists is the same as ignoring someone being kicked in the nuts
do you people even think before you speak? never mind, we all already know you dont
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
you know, unless there is another terrorist attack in Toronto that week.....
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
video chat is a thing. do people really need to fly all over for a conference these days?
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
It is not about hating him it is contempt for the fact that some beat down Americans stumbled to their feet,
You perfectly exemplify the permanent grievance of the worst kind of trump voter. He campaigned on "you are all losers, but I will win for you, there will be so much winning, you'll get tired of all the winning." And just like with any other conman, he wins and his marks end up losing the most. Just like the suckers who signed up for trump university.
...most of the gnashing of teeth is performed bu the useful idiots.
Said the guy who has ground the enamel completely off his molars.
I didn't vote for Trump. How did the people who voted for Trump lose?
They got a huge tax break instead of an all-but-guaranteed tax hike.
Unemployment is way down.
The stock market is way up. I don't think this is a good measure of anything, and I'm sure it will tank again (hopefully soon), but people love to point to the pretend money in the stock market as a sign of economic health.
Denuclearization, peace, and potential reunification in Korea,
Tons of sex cults and human trafficking rings have been broken up.
Corrupt leaders and former leaders of many countries are actually being brought to justice.
He's getting support for enforcing our immigration laws, even from cities within California. The wall is being built.
Next year there will be no unconstitutional personal mandate for health insurance.
He shut down all the anti-second-amendment bullshit from the CIA plant David Hogg and his cadre of useful idiots with a single tweet.
He's firing and investigating corrupt people in Washington left and right, all while under incessant attacks and illegal, phony investigations himself.
Who is losing, exactly?
The man is a blowhard and an asshole, but he's proving to be damn good at his job.
Except that Iran has never really held itself out there as a "bastion of Freedom." The US, on the other hand, has a statue in an important harbor that says, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” However, at some point - and I won't say it's entirely Trump's fault - we've changed that to a big "Not so much."
Kanye West and Kim kardashian?
"I'm a techie and I voted for Trump. Fuck you whiny cucks."
Dewey Crowe, is that you?
That is a racial slur, you should be banned from slashdot.
We get it, math, science, logic, and reading comprehension are all librul kulteral marksist propaganda. Just so you know, I collect posts like yours to show my foreign friends when they ask why Americans are incapable of math, science, logic, and reading comprehension. It proves the point extremely well.
the attack on the education system means that the nation as a whole is being dumbified on an unprecedented scale
I concur, the takeover by radicals intent on shouting down anybody that challenges their views with things like evidence is an attack that's seriously damaging the education system.
I'm not sure what the relevance of Trump is to this though?
"When you are good you tell people how good you are. When you are great, other people tell you how great you are."
That sign was from a culture long ago. How much of that time period do you want to bring back?
yes... because banning people from countries known to harbor terrorists is the same as ignoring someone being kicked in the nuts
Actually, banning children from getting medical treatment is worse than being kicked in the nuts.
do you people even think before you speak? never mind, we all already know you dont
Man, its always projection with you trump davidians isn't it?
This is true. I help organize quite a few conferences, and every single one of them is reconsidering hosting in the US, partly because of this reason.
The biggest reason though, is that the science and technology world is sadly leaving America behind. No new research happens here anymore, our technology is always the worst, and the brain drain is rapidly accelerating as other countries are scooping up the best and brightest Americans to emigrate to other countries; myself included. I will be the 32nd of my peers that will leave America because of the intellectual wasteland it has become.
Maybe we'll come back after you've destroyed yourselves :)
That is not how it looks from the outside, dude.
I am from an allied country i Europe, and would definitely get a visa, but all else being equal I would actively choose conferences not in the US. And I know my hesitance is widespread, and lately increasing.
It comes down to a lot of compounding factors, many of them predating Trump, but his words and actions sure haven't helped.
The major peeve is the sheer hassle of the TSA and of getting a visa. Both have been ludicrous since 9/11, but the visa process has gotten even worse lately.
Then there is the fear of running into undeserved trouble when crossing. There are lots of stories circulating about crazy delays, returns, confiscations, computer/phone searches, and even holding cells.
All this generates a general distaste to the whole hostile image that the US border projects in later years. The travel bans and the way Trump talks about other countries have sharply heightened that impression, even to us who are not directly affected, to the point where, if you have a free choice, the natural reaction for many is simply:
"These guys are nuts. Fine, if they don' want me there, fuck them, I'll go somewhere nice in stead".
sudo ergo sum
I like how a poem on a statue gifted by "the French people" in the late 19th century has somehow come to define the core of the American ethos in the current year. I'll bet you also think the US entered WW2 to save the Jews and fight totalitarianism by ... teaming up with, and providing extensive material aid to, totalitarianism! Such amazing insight, your Marxist history professors would be proud.
Here's a thought, change 'news for nerds' to something more apropriate, how about 'Toe the leftward line with us' ?
From OP:
I'm sure they already pre-screened me somehow
This little misapprehension is almost certainly the cause of the current terrorism in western Europe.
"Oh I'm sure they pre-screened these migrants coming from the third world, they must have because to believe otherwise would be too big a blow to my ridiculously optimistic views about government!"
I can see how you confuse new york with the rockies, explains why you think there are mountains in toronto hahaha. 'murkin.
Of course its not the 'murkin governments fault. its the 'murkin peoples fault for electing dumbasses, note the plurality - its not just drumpf.
They got a huge tax break instead of an all-but-guaranteed tax hike.
Yeah, actually not. Clinton's plan contained significant cost reductions for people making under $50K/yr. Under trump, we got tax cuts for millionaires and tax bills for the middle class.
Unemployment is way down.
Not for rural whites. In fact, its still so bad for them that Michigan republicans are trying to exempt them from their draconian medicaid work requirements.
Also, those people at that Carrier plant that he "saved?" Yeah, they got fucked.
The stock market is way up.
(A) Doesn't mean squat for majority of people because they don't own stocks.
(B) Rate of growth in the stock market is slower than it was under Obama.
(C) China has stopped buying soybeans. Not just tariffs, full stop, buying em from somewhere else. China is the #2 largest market for US soy and soy is the #2 US crop export.
Denuclearization, peace, and potential reunification in Korea,
Not anything to do with trump. The sanctions only resulted in a ~20% increase in black market currency exchange, showing that it wasn't a big deal for a country that survived the great faminine of the 90s on nothing but Juche. Moon Jae-in is leading trump around by the nose. Though I guess you could say the fact that trump is so easily played by Moon is a point in trump's favor. So sure, promise that gloryhound a nobel prize if that's what it takes to keep him from screwing up everybody else's work.
Tons of sex cults and human trafficking rings have been broken up.
Ah, so now you reveal yourself as one of those RWNJ dumbasses. In fact, its the nothing of the kind. If anything, they've been cracking down on easy targets - adult sex-workers, not trafficking victims. Meanwhile Trump knowingly endorsed an actual pedophile.
Corrupt leaders and former leaders of many countries are actually being brought to justice.
Yeah. Putin. Duterte. Netanyahu MBS They've all been locked up!!! Yay!
The wall is being built.
Lol. He couldn't even get his own republican party to pay for it. Much less mexico.
Next year there will be no unconstitutional personal mandate for health insurance.
Yay! That's already working out so great for republicans.
Never mind how he totally fucked rural whites with empty promises about the opioid epidemic.
Brit here. Totally agree. Ever since those TSA horror-strories started coming out, I've side-stepped US trips, and right now I'd avoid it outright. As for travelling there for something non-work related ... heh, you have to be kidding! Europe's got plenty of interesting places, so like you say, I'll go somewhere nice.
Yes; conferences are just as much about networking opportunities as they are about consuming presentations, if not moreso. If they weren't, then the format would have been replaced with YouTube channels by now.
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Since Bush. This all started with 9/11.
People in general are willing to put up with a lot to gain something. It doesn't really matter where it started, what matters is where it reaches the tipping point.
I wish this was more true in San Diego. Every year the tourism feels worse then the prior year. I would be thrilled if half these people stayed home so that I could enjoy San Diego without them. Seriously, go somewhere else.
You mixed up "techie" and "complete retard". Your post is the evidence.
The TSA has been hassling people since fairly early in the Bush administration. I was hoping Obama would rein it in, but he made it worse. This is a shining example of bipartisan stupidity.
Or maybe the agent problem? We'd all be better off with less intrusive screenings, but the official who makes that policy is politically dead with the first disaster, even if the tighter screenings wouldn't have caught it.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Strange...I remember plenty of kicking and screaming about certain past Presidents. Moreover, Trump surpasses every previous President in some negative ways.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
We already got denuclearization and peace from when Jimmy Carter went over there. You may have noticed that it didn't actually stick, but there's no reason to think Trump's initiative is going to stick either. Right-wingers were happy predicting that Carter's deal wasn't going to hold, and now right-wingers seem happy predicting that North Korea really actually means it this time. I find this a lot more amusing than all the other lies in your post.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The US people adopted the Statue of Liberty and the poem as its own for a long, long time. The gift was truly internalized.
The US entered WWII to stop totalitarianism. Unfortunately, after the fall of France, Eastern Europe was going to be under foreign totalitarian rule, and the only question was who would rule. Most of Western Europe was freed of totalitarianism, and Eastern Europe at least got gentler rule from the Soviet Union than from Hitler.
I'm not saying anything good about Stalin and Soviet Communism, but Hitler and the Nazis were even worse. The German Army accomplished the extremely impressive feat of making Stalin look relatively good to the Soviet people.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
No, you have it wrong ... it's almost winter, winter, still winter, and construction/mosquito.
Construction/mosquito spans from the last snowfall to the first, and bears a lot of similarities to what other people call Summer. We remove our parkas, step out of the igloos, and dance naked in the streets -- after liberally applying insect repellent and maple-syrup, of course. The bears are so happy to see us after hibernating they join in on the festivities and bring cookies; even the beavers make an appearance. Alas, the giant snow lizards have all retired to their dens until Almost Winter arrives. The moose mostly just keep to themselves.
I believe Michigan and Wisconsin have similar seasons.
...to explain exactly why virtue is a bad thing.
The same clown shoes polling that guaranteed HRC would win in a landslide.
Scientific illiteracy for the fail... A study isn't even close to the same thing as a poll.
But you never claimed to be literate so jokes on me!
While not unprecendented, ApacheCon NA is in Montreal this year. Over the past few years, lots of attendees have said they are unwilling to come to the states. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this conference move to Canada permanently.
Not this "they came from canada" again crap.
First it has been proven many times it is not true.. and even if they did.. canada does NOT admit people into the US, US customs does that. if you have an issue iwth terrorists entering your country, speak with YOUR government.
"Get back to me when you are a global imperial power."
let us know how that works out for you in the next decade or two. Many countries are looking to drop your currency as a "Global reserve".. try borrowing to finance your massive debt when that happens.
Your time as a "global imperial power" is very small in terms of world history. CHina has had dynastays that have lasted two or three times as long as your contry has exissted. they have been a world power for decades.. take a look at them now.
Give it a break kiddies. Trump won. Fair and square. Get the fuck over it.
FWIW I've visited the U.S.A. twice during the Trump administration. In both cases U.S. officials confirmed my identity and citizenship through my passport, confirmed that I was legit in their computer, asked me a couple of questions about my planned activities in the U.S., "Have a good trip!", off I went.
The Customs dude at Blaine, Washington asked "Idaho? I thought everybody was going to Oregon for that?" when I went to see the eclipse last August. Is this the sort of customs/border/immigration nightmare people are talking about?
...laura
That quote seems to be popping up a lot lately. I wonder why...
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Race isn't limited to skin colour obviously, since it doesn't exist!
Bzzzt! I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.
Imagine a universe where we're both correct. They way I read it, the first travel ban was never meant to include LPRs, but they were detained by overzealous CBP agents. The administration subsequently clarified the order, as per my original link.
And we both made typos, this was in 2017, not 2018.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
But for the most part people around the world wanted to Visit the Mighty United States,
No, we don't. Canada is a much nicer place to visit than the xenophobic US.
Trump is a money-laundering corruption machine. But policy-wise he's just the latest lap on the GOP track. At least he hasn't started any new wars (even if he's been amping up our current ones and doing it mostly in secret). In some ways his personal indecency just makes more plain the indecency that's been at the center of GOP policy since they absorbed the dixiecrats. I mean they turned oliver north into a godamn hero after all and nixon colluded with the south vietnamese to prolong the war and get elected.
The Collision conference is the only tech conference listed of any significance and surprisingly they simply stated they needed a larger venue and didn't bring politics into the discussion.
The article spins it's fake news with tag line like... At least two other major technology conferences have recently made the decision to relocate to Canada !!!! and then goes fishing for any conference it can find to support it's Headline since the Collision conference didn't fit the narrative.
I did a little research and it seems that the other two conferences referenced are geopolitical / human rights group conferences one with less than 500 attendees and another just under 2000. The sad part is that neither count as "Major technology conferences" but at least they were willing to support he political spin of the article.
That quote seems to be popping up a lot lately. I wonder why...
The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon
It's simple. The ban is on countries that are currently exporting terrorism.
There is no country that exports terrorism more than Saudi Arabia. Their vast wealth is used to push Salafism, and other ultra-conversative, radical Islamism into more moderate countries. They drive radicalism more than anyone else.
Last time I came back home to the U.S. the border agents threatened me with felony arrest for some non-reason. She was a total asshole. She thought I would be intimidated. I stared at her like she was from Mars, and when she started repeating her questions, I repeated back my complex answers verbatim. This went on for a bit while she tested my memory, then she realized I was smarter than her, made bitchy remarks, forgot about the fake felony, and waved me through. U.S. Customs is a joke. I won't leave the U.S. because returning is such a pain and you have no rights at the border. So fuck off. I'm staying put.
Neither have I, but a google search shows a number of statements like this one from the YC: "I went to Collision (Las Vegas) last year, and it was a waste of time and money. Same startups, same VCs, same bloggers, etc, repeating the same stuff they said in a similar conference the week before i.e. loads of words are spoken, but no real content. Add to that the junk food they served, no seating ..."
Some say it's a scam: http://anothersb.blogspot.com/...
So, good riddance.
And likewise, we will be saying "fuck Europe" and be withdrawing our free troops that provide free security. Why does a continent of wealthy First World democracies need welfare payments? Pay for your own fucking military, you ungrateful jerks.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
What does it have to do with anything? It points out the triviality of the non-diverse neighborhood argument, you twit. If blacks vote Democrat then obviously less diverse neighborhoods are going to vote Republican and therefore vote for Trump. This isn't exactly complicated. I'm sorry if you thought it was such a big important point that you couldn't understand an obvious refutation.
Churchill said about the Soviet Union being invaded:
"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
So yeah, lesser evil.
New Zealanders are well balanced with a chip on each shoulder. One represents Australia, the other the rest of the world
I have more problems at Canadian immigration than any other country, including the US. Every time I go there I get held up at immigration even though I always have the correct paperwork, no criminal history, no history of overstaying or breaching visa requirements. Last time I spent over an hour being grilled about my work status even though all my paperwork was 100% correct, and in the end they let me in without any changes. I'd never go back if I didn't have to for work.
Canadians can be arseholes just like Americans, they are just polite when giving you the shaft.
That's not a refutation. It's opinion. Opinions are not facts.
It doesn't matter one whit how shitty another country is. We're talking about THIS country, the one I live in. I hold us to a higher standard. We can be the Kings amongst the Barbarians instead of lowering ourselves to barbarian status, if that sort of thing matters to you. As the leader of the world we should act better than others regarding these kinds of policies. Your post is a good example showing the contrast between liberals and conservatives. Liberals want to lift others to thier level and conservatives want to sink to others levels. Liberals want to give to everyone, conservatives take. Instead of doing unto others as you'd want done to you, you are advocating for us to do unto others as they've done unto us. That's bullshit, regardless of your religion or lack thereof.
If blacks vote Democrat then obviously less diverse neighborhoods are going to vote Republican and therefore vote for Trump.
Lolwut? Your logic is terrible. Which is completely in character for someone accusing others of being twits.
Here's why your logic is terrible - in order for your premise to work it presumes that white people don't vote democrat. Black people only make up 12% of the population - most democrats are white.
Conferences bring zero money in and I'm sorry if a national security policy to prevent terrorists from killing people in our country makes some poor wee techies uncomfortable, god forbid.
This shit is anti american click bait at it's worst.
This is people using their freedom. That sucks heh?
He's not evil he's just fucking stupid and makes america a joke, but yeah, keep on keeping on.
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we arent talking medical treatment, lets try NOT moving the goal posts??
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
no new research?? any other countries landing rockets after flying them???
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Yes, please remove your thugs and stop using European bases for your stupid wars in the Middle East.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Canada has the best 21-days summer of every country in the world.
Summer, LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLugggury (with 3 g's).Come to Scotland where summer is our favourite day of the year.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
It looks like it's hard to visit Iran from several countries (US, UK, Isreal) unless in a group or approved business as well.
Isreal? Are you sure you're not confusing them with their neighbour, Isfake.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
oops read the first line as "The Collusion Conference"
wondered why trump would stop that?
LOL the only thing that's kept Europe together for the past 75 years is the free American security guarantee. Are you really that stupid that you don't know that? Remember how you squealed with terror when Trump said he was going to pull America out of NATO?
After reading the many anti-American comments on any article published concerning the US, I say good riddance. I've never seen such an ungrateful bunch of free-loaders. America's role as the world's policemen is coming to an end. Too much money and blood being spent (and wasted) overseas and too many problems at home. All American bases on foreign soil should be closed and the troops brought home. Let the rest of the world deal with the mess for a change. We can defend our borders. Let others worry about theirs.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
>korea
>nothing to do with Trump.
That is why the South Korean president credits Trump. idiot.
This year's IncestiCon will be moved from Alabama to Mar a Lago
LOL the only thing that's kept Europe together for the past 75 years is the free American security guarantee.
You mean the American-Saudi security guarantee. America was going broke trying (and failing, see Vietnam) to provide security. It was the Saudis agreeing to the petro dollar that enabled America to fuel their military (and other things) on debt for all these years.
Go to Canada. Don't come back. We don't need you.
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
Most of those are software engineers.
Actual physical sciences engineers are a completely different breed.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Keeping Europe at 'peace' is good for business, you big dummy! What the hell is the matter with you? I mean, really, you shouldn't be taken seriously, you're just giving us shtick, throwing flames.
Perhaps that is true. However, there is also the issue that visas in general are harder to get even if you're not on the travel ban. I am an American, living in France and I know that some of my colleagues do not want to travel to the US (for business or pleasure) due to the hassle. This has to be reducing the number of people who want to visit for any reason. This type of feedback probably gets back to the people who run conferences and may have an effect on where they choose to hold them.
I know from personal my own travels that entering the US (even as an American) is a worse experience than entering France. The American border control just seems hostile - the way they question people, etc. I always feel unwelcome when returning despite their big signs saying "Welcome to the US". When entering France they just glance at the passport, stamp it and let you through (I'm sure they already pre-screened me somehow). Note that the hostility also exists when entering the UK- perhaps it is a general Anglo-Saxon problem.
Aside from valid VISA / Passport, the Canada customs would randomly check your luggage if they felt you were a smuggler. And that depends on your departure country.
We Canadians are welcoming. We are not so stressed out with politically generated fear, politically encouraged racism, or politically discriminating against certain religions. I sincerely believe that if the USA elected a different president and vice president, that the country I knew would again be the kind, welcoming, tolerant and trusting. So, Americans, do something about it.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
"we will be saying "fuck Europe" and be withdrawing our free troops"
Because we attend your conferences less frequently?
Wow. That's pretty sore.
sudo ergo sum
Google his name, he's a visual basic coder who went to community college.
He probably never meets any engineers of any kind
It's only not a refutation if there's no such thing as math. Otherwise, it is. Take your pick. (Although it would have been better if I had said "lean Republican in proportion to their non-diversity") If you have a set of Ds and a set of Rs mixed together, and from that and you select a set with more Rs, shockingly you get more Rs. If you can find a way to dispute that, let me know.
No, it doesn't presume white people don't vote democrat. (Here's a hint for you -- assuming the other person is making silly assumptions doesn't lead to good argumentation on your part.) It says that when you remove 12% of a population that vote 95% D from a population that is split pretty much 50/50 D/R, you are going to be left with a significantly R-leaning group. Get it now?
"Don't blame Trump, instead you should blame Obama for something that started during the Bush administration."
That's some pretty twisted logic, but Obama has to be held accountable somehow. Right? He's not going to pillory himself.
I've been in tech my entire adult life and never heard of these people (I've seen Creative Commons come up, but not really in any substantial way (just went to their site and it's basically cancer -- too heavy and unusable). But I'm sure they are "one of North America's most influential technology gatherings" /s.
Oh look, Brussels comes up a couple times. Must be a political thing (and for some fat old men in a non-representative non-country). Makes sense.
Even rational non-Trump supporters know the reason. The list was made of countries having poor traveler vetting process. The list was made during the Obama administration. participation in 9/11 not the critera
It's more the unremitting, unceasing hostility at the country that brought you 75 uninterrupted years of peace, victory in WWII, victory in the Cold War, and a cool $150 billion in profit each year from trade with America.
Most of the Americans who have chips on their shoulders are just tired. They're tired of their country being the butt of every dumb joke for the last half century. They're tired of every comment about their country being that it's a vile racist shithole. They're tired of the entire world looking down on their country, regardless of whether they've ever actually seen it. They're tired of every positive aspect of America being downplayed or overlooked for the past fifty years. If we have to pay to have allies, then fuck them.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Hey man, you're really overdoing it. The gag isn't working anymore. Everybody knows why it pays to keep the peace in Europe.
Look:
* We used to like visiting America
* The reasons for wanting to go are still there
* You changed some things that made the process of actually getting there a lot less appealing
* This has consequences for businesses that want to attract foreign visitors
* Someone had the gall to point this out to you
Deal with it.
sudo ergo sum
See, when the USA went to Saudi Arabia after 9/11 and said "WTF, man?!?!", they said "Sorry dude, my bad. Let me do everything I can to help keep that from happening again.", which when they went to Iran and said "Dude, those terrorists belong to you?" Iran replied, "Fuck you man! We're gonna destroy you!!!"
Guess which response led to the USA thinking they were on their side in regards to terrorism and which one didn't?
Stop freeloading off of American defense. Pay for your own fucking armies. Assholes.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I missed summer last year. I was in the shower.
(Stolen from Flanders & Swann.)
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
"better" is a value judgement - there is no possibility of a "right" or "wrong" answer.
I've worked from the sands of the Arabian desert at +50degC to winter Canada (only -20degC), and played in Siberia at -30degC. I've seen partial solar eclipses (while at work) within 2degrees of the Equator, and I've worked 36 hour shifts under the Siberian midnight sun (63.7 degN). Weather is something I can choose. I prefer cooler weather to hotter weather. You need to pay me to go anywhere that is likely to be above 30degC.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
The Canadians are employing Swedes (or Norwegians or Danes) as border guards? Good move!
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"