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Apple Scraps $1 Billion Irish Data Center Over Planning Delays (reuters.com)
Apple ditched plans to build an 850 million euro ($1 billion) data center in Ireland because of delays in the approval process that have stalled the project for more than three years, the iPhone maker said on Thursday. From a report: Apple announced plans in February 2015 to build the facility in the rural western town of Athenry to take advantage of green energy sources nearby, but a series of planning appeals, chiefly from two individuals, delayed its approval. Ireland's High Court ruled in October that the data center could proceed, dismissing the appellants who then took their case to the country's Supreme Court.
... this happening in the US. I don't know the specifics of the story but I'm sure those 2 individuals would have been steam rolled by now
Apple weaseling out of its taxes again.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/apple/apple-agrees-pay-15-4-billion-back-taxes-ireland-even-n826701
TFA article tells you crap about the complaints. Here's a much better article:
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/content-tracks/design-build/apples-irish-data-center-faces-new-hearing/96069.fullarticle
"...objectors raise fears that it would flood golf course, and make inordinate demands on Ireland’s power grid."
"The full proposal would reduce the habitat of bats and badgers, say some objections, and the Bord has also received a complaint from Athenry Golf Club, 1km away from the site. 'Our primary concern is the totality of the proposed development, especially the extent of the proposed masterplan, and the potential this has to alter the hydrology of the local area and potentially increase the frequency and duration of flooding already experienced at the golf club,' says the golf club’s appeal"
850,000,000 Euro = 1,012,652,600.00 US Dollar
But then it was all BULLSHIT anyway! Hear, here!
I''m sure if enough palms were greased correctly, they would have done the needful.
The laws let people do this, whether it's an Apple data center, a nuclear power plant or wind generators. You can't pick and choose which the law applies to.
This is how potato famines start.
Yeah, I feel sorry for that small, rural town, missing out on about $1B for their economy, just because of two assholes.
Why do you assume that money would go predominately to the local economy? Obviously they would capture some of it but it's unclear how much. Plus having a large company come in and dominate the local economy is the very definition of a two edged sword. It can bring a lot of positive economic benefits but it also makes the local economy beholden to that one company and can absolutely ruin the local economy if/when they leave.
Nah, the changes in Tax Law in the US that allows Apple to "repatriate" billions in profits parked in Ireland for a relative pittance (compared to what it was earlier) had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
I'd say that the recognition that the EU sees Apple as a cow from which many Euros can be milked might have more to do with this.
There are LOTS of places they could build this.
-Styopa
Could it?
Data centers use a lot of power, which may come from a local source, but most likely from a far away company willing to enter into a power purchase agreement with Apple. So the local utility is not gonna benefit. Not to mention, who owns the wind power? Many are foreign owned. The construction phase will need many jobs filled, but these types of projects are not built by local contractors. They are usually built by companyâ(TM)s outside the area, or even foreign companyâ(TM)s. They often bring in there own workforce from who knows where. So again no benefit for the locals. Once the project is complete, they will need support people to run the facility, not many though. They engineer enough overhead in its size so that if there is a failure they can remotely reroute around the bad equipment, and put it on a work order for the support crew when it arrives. The support crew is probably not local. Strike again. Then I wonder what incentives were provided by the local government to entice this data center. How long before the locals derive benefits from that? Probably decades. I would bet having the big data center in your back yard would not benefit the local citizens much, unless you own an asset the data center really wants. Like the land it sits on or a power company. In short the data center is NO big deal for the average citizen. Just those involved with Apple. All this is opinion, I have no citations, just my 1st hand experience, and observations.
Erm..
Well, a rural town with only 3,950 people in it? Yeah a datacentre is going to destroy that overnight.
Sure, someone may decide that's necessary, but it's by no means a "Oh, my god, why are they saying no!?" reaction, surely? I'd object if I lived in a town of only 4000 people and Apple wanted to install a huge feck-off datacenter with presumably hundreds or thousands of people there on my doorstep.
What was the appeal on the grounds of?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0...
Converting plans for a single-data-centre to a multi-data-centre without considering the environmental impact.
"A Junior Counsel for the pair said they argue that An Bord PleanÃla was required by law to carry out an EIA of the entire plan, but did not and no reason was given as to why not."
"A legal representative for An Bord PleanÃla argues that her client had not done a full EIA of the entire masterplan as it was not proposed, nor was Apple seeking planning permission for it."
"was required under law to consider the impact of an expansion of the project to include up to eight data halls, rather than the one hall for which permission was granted."
So... in actuality Apple had already given up on the datacentre long ago (because of a double-one in Denmark) and wasn't even applying for permission (supposedly) which they thought meant they didn't have to an impact assessment (which is legally required and just been upheld by a court as being so).
Maybe Apple should hire better lawyers and not just hope that throwing political weight around will get them everything they want without even jumping through the right hoops. Oh, and not change their plans eight-fold mid-way through all this stuff.
Basically, Apple, you tried to bully your way in and just split this in a tiny town while Ireland were friendly to you and giving you backhanders, and when the EU took those away and you couldn't just buy you way through the process any more, you got the hump and stormed off.
American style socialism favors the freedoms and rights of fictional corporate entities. European socialism favors the rights of individuals or the public good. In the U.S. foreign companies are leveraging Kelo V New London to stomp over individual rights, including declaring nearly new home as condemned, grabbing 40% of a city's water capacity and violating the Great Lakes pact.
Ireland chose not to become a corporate whore this time but has tried American style corporate socialism in the past. Have you heard of the potato famine? Chances are you heard wrong. Irish farms exported other economically productive at the same time as the farmers starved. In the more recent past Ireland did bend over to Apple, Dell and other IT companies only to have them downsize or close down once their tax incentives expired. The Irish government also used tax money to buy distressed property after the first celtic tiger property bubble burst and then they sold it to REIT vulture funds such as the one managed by Dan Quayle. Quayle makes money while Irish homelessness is skyrocketing. Deja vu to the foreign slumlords who inspired the Irish land wars a century and a half ago. This may have been a poor decision but much poorer decisions are being made every day in pursuit of short-term corporate profits.
So, this is literally 5 minutes down the road from me (when the traffic's good) ..
This isn't a popular decision here. I don't personally know anyone who had any objections at all - although we do note one of the people objecting resides on the other side of the country.
On the other hand, it's not the end of the world either. Once they're operational, datacenters don't employ anywhere near as many people as you'd think. Especially when they're single-tenant and managed off-site. And as small and rural as Athenry sounds (and looks), it's turning into a commuter town anyway. The city would be considered a very reasonable commute by American standards. (I have colleagues that can get in in 10-15 minutes - but sometimes take an hour to get home. Traffic is our major problem here, and this site would have little impact on it.)
Someone mentioned taxes. No-one's here is under any illusion that the topics are related. Denmark is not exactly a tax haven, and the two sites were announced at the same time. This is a stupid process that's been dragging out years longer than it should have, and ground to a halt enough times that the end was inevitable.
Someone else mentioned renewables. It's entirely wind here. We don't have a lot of scope for hydro; it's just too flat to support it. We do have a lot of scope for tidal, but little willingness to tamper with the picturesque coastlines when wind is so very plentiful here.
All in all, this is just a failure of process. Not the planning process itself, but the appeals process shouldn't be able to drag out so long as to destroy an opportunity. There should be a limit to how many appeals you can lose, otherwise the process stops being a battle of facts, and simply a battle of stubbornness.
I mean, imagine if you were trying to build a home - and someone a few hundred miles away objected to it. And objected, and objected. And lost every time, but was able to continue objecting until the build was no longer feasible. You'd be asking where the line is too. People should be able to object, and those objections should be able to hold some weight - I think it's fantastic that the common man can actually win against someone the size of Apple. But if the developer wins, that should mean something too.
Those 2 people are holding out for Amazon's HQ2.
This is what they wanted to bulldoze
And decided to walk rather than borrow some euros for a data center they don't need yet...
Apple will place the first tranche of its €13 billion Irish tax bill in an escrow account next month following the signing of a legal agreement between the Government and the US tech giant.
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If you local business can build a Tesco warehouse with a bit of cold storage you can build a data centre shell and temp control plant. The shelving of an average food warehouse is much more monumental task than raised floor (if anyone stil does that) and racks due to the weight of each unit. The only difference is in the electrical and data centre infrastructure that comes in many smaller boxes to get racked and stacked in a said warehouse with racks and not moved for the next 3 to seven years, then it will be racked and stacked by the locals who work the datacenter day to day. Hell even WIPRO will hire smart hands local for a big client. If you start never being in a data center you can be the pro in the state of the art in the march that is data centre commissioning. The average local electrical contractor is going to make a killing for a year and be equipped to build another 3 data centres or modern warehouses at a discount to the national competitors in the same office park.
If someone was able to block it, through legal process, then by definition there was something they didn't comply with. If it was otherwise, the case would have failed.
Stupid Apple, they should have retained you as their counsel.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
If someone was able to block it, through legal process, then by definition there was something they didn't comply with.
That is not true. Not even close. I think you're the one with the DeVry degree, here, since you make such a stupid statement. All it takes to delay a project is to file a lawsuit. You don't have to win to get a delay. They haven't been able to block it completely, just delay it.
The FACT is that Apple got the appropriate approvals. The FACT is that Ireland's High Court ruled against the plaintiffs -- in other words, in the opinion of that court Apple HAD approval and did all it needed to do. So, in FACT, the courts have already contradicted your ridiculous claim of "by definition" a failure to comply.
If it was otherwise, the case would have failed.
The case did fail, but is being appealed to a higher court. I guess you couldn't bother to read the summary, huh? Maybe you and the Apple haters in Ireland should become besties and start Facetiming to plan your strategies better?
we barely have functioning internet access around athenry, the resources we need locally are squandered sucking up to apple. the tax money apple owes has still not arrived in the state's coffers. when i'm late coughing up my tax i don't get a tax clearance cert, effectively putting me out of business - never mind getting planning permission. good riddance apple.
Is it having to pay Ireland taxes, or that the GDPR applies to all data in an EU datacenter? They announced they're building another (specified as EU) datacenter in Denmark, but maybe that's smaller? I know FB moved it's operations from a Irish datacenter for non-EU residents recently.
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Smug arseholes. They employ insignificant numbers in Ireland but route all their sales for the 12% Corp tax.
https://www.independent.ie/bus...