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Windows 10 Pro Is a Dead End For the Enterprise, Gartner Says (computerworld.com)
A prominent Gartner analyst argues that Windows 10 Pro is a dead end for enterprises, citing recent changes by Microsoft to the Windows 10 support schedule. "[We] predict that Microsoft will continue positioning Windows [10] Pro as a release that is not appropriate for enterprises by reducing [...] support and limiting access to enterprise management features," Stephen Kleynhans, a research vice president at Gartner and one of the research firm's resident Windows experts, said in a report he co-authored. Computerworld reports: Last year, the Redmond, Wash. developer announced a six-month support extension for Windows 10 1511, the November 2015 feature upgrade, "to help some early enterprise adopters that are still finishing their transition to Windows as a service." In February, Microsoft added versions 1609, 1703 and 1709 -- released in mid-2016, and in April and October of 2017, respectively -- to the extended support list, giving each 24 months of support, not the usual 18. There was a catch: Only Windows 10 Enterprise (and Windows 10 Education, a similar version for public and private school districts and universities) qualified for the extra six months of support. Users running Windows 10 Pro were still required to upgrade to a successor SKU (stock-keeping unit) within 18 months to continue receiving security patches and other bug fixes.
Another component of Microsoft's current Windows 10 support strategy, something the company has labeled "paid supplemental servicing," was also out of bounds for those running Windows 10 Pro. The extra support, which Microsoft will sell at an undisclosed price, is available only to Enterprise and Education customers. Paid supplemental servicing adds 12 months to the 18 months provided free of charge.
Another component of Microsoft's current Windows 10 support strategy, something the company has labeled "paid supplemental servicing," was also out of bounds for those running Windows 10 Pro. The extra support, which Microsoft will sell at an undisclosed price, is available only to Enterprise and Education customers. Paid supplemental servicing adds 12 months to the 18 months provided free of charge.
forced OS upgrades, which often breaks the registry, poor control over Windows Updates, Windows update showing App store bullshit back onto the box even after you've removed it, etc.
Only the LTSB enterprise version is usable, and even that gets annoying.
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
We all know M$ went the wrong way wrong... win10 should be something like this :
win10 home/standard : as current win10
win10 pro and higher : as windows 7 eg no shit services. plain lean interface, no addons line app market/cortana
all of those BS apps.
but the problem with M$ is the devs there, have shit instead of brain, so that why the win10 is what is like now.
At least there is some light there and its called: ReactOS
If all the ads and other junk on the start menu, etc... was not enough evidence of this already. Enterprise Edition is the only way (not LTSB), and you even need to battle them on there too.
Windows 10 Pro is a dead end for enterprise?
Luckily there is a version of Windows called Windows 10 Enterprise!
Crisis averted!
What do they expect if they continue to screw their customers?
As long as security features are incrementally migrated into the Pro version, or a hypothetical version for small businesses (1-10 people) and consultants.. Should the new Workstation version be that? That is now the only version that officially supports any version of Xeon and Epyc processors, amazingly. Only for 439 EURs with taxes, or $512.
This company, Gartner, has basically been known since the 1990s as The main voice in telling everyone that you have just got to go get this Windows thing. They were Windows, Windows, Windows to such an extreme (and silly) degree that I sometimes wondered if they were just the PR branch of Microsoft. Every year, they told people to do incredibly destructive things and keep their computers unreliable.
And now they're saying no?! WTF happened? Did someone miss a payment?
Illegal aliens will be deteleported.
That's not true, Windows is still offering paid support for Windows 10. I just got off the phone with one of their friendly tech experts who's number I Binged. He took me to this black technical looking screen and showed me all the viruses I had. He fixed me up for free! All I had to do was input my credit card number in case I needed his services again! Count me as another super satisfied Windows 10 user!!!!
The stupid business people once again show they are incapable of making a decision for the benefit of their companies and kowtow to microshit again and again instead of saving millions of dollars in lost revenue giving it to microshit software. Whenever i get told my decision is not the one wanted i remind them of their utterly stupid windows expenditure and my decisions miraculously are approved. dick headed business leaders are dickheads.
Use LTSB version. Get security updates for years. Sit back and laugh at those being forced to upgrade entire OS every 6 months.
to get all of us: enterprises, institutions, education, government, small businesses, home users... EVERYBODY, to pay for windows... every single year (or month), as a mandatory subscription to continue to use "your" computers.
I do not use windows at all, home or work. I read the article only once and still do not see the point.
Where I work (a large company) many people seem fine with W10 and end user support is provided by the company as opposed to Microsoft. I suspect small companies will stick with some form of windows until the hardware is replace, then move to whatever comes on the new hardware. And it seems Apple (which I never used) is shooting themselves in the foot as far as the enterprise is concerned.
I personally believe developers (small % of large companies) should be on some form of Linux, and everyone else on whatever launches excel the best.
So I think W10 is not going anywhere and with the new Linux Sub-system and what I assume maybe a future 'cloudification' push, it will be in the enterprise for quite a while. And the pencil pushers love the word 'cloud', the biggest buzz word I have seen, so I expect that alone will keep W10 around.
win10 pro is dead for ent... but was it ever alive?
and duh...
You are half right!
nt
MS is going to squeeze everyone for all their worth, what a crime
windows pro + with out volume license agreements is needed.
small business are to small for enterprise but they may want to be able to trun off store / other stuff that is only in the enterprise ver.
*drum roll* Windows 11?
>> What makes you say that?
The moving tongue and lips
Air flowing in the throat.
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>> The very reason LTSB exists is to provide Long Term stability. Care to elaborate as to why it's "unsuitable"?
Because it's Windows BS.
it will never be "stable", so obviously "Long Term stability" is a total lie
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Who is Gardner?
I think the term you're looking for is "Windows As A Disservice". "Disgrace" might be an alternative, too.
Everybody knows the Enterprise runs LCARS.
In another article Forrester says it cures cancer, will bring peace to the middle east, and might invent a milk carton that can be opened without squirting half the contents down your shirt.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The updates wouldn't be as bad if it weren't a total OS reinstall. Yes, putting all the store bullshit back is annoying as hell, and the different defaults, but if you're an enterprise with group policies you can likely get a couple of machines going in the lab and prep the group policies and registry changes that need to come down. It's the fact that you now have dozens or even hundreds of computers trying to automatically reinstall their OS. You know, it's a damned certainty, that a non-insignificant number of those will go wrong and have to be touched. Anything from a profile issue, to a driver needing to be reinstalled, all the way up to "it don't boot no more." That's the biggest drawback IMO. I use a centralized imaging system and distribute non-persistent virtual desktops with network-stored profiles and the 10 update schedule is a hassle (rebuild every year or so), I wouldn't even want to think about doing this with a bunch of individual desktops all screwing up in fantastic ways.
devs are part of the problem when they don't care enough to oppose themselves to marketing buzz words.
Another problems is that software world seems to be driven by fads, which hardware company also embrace.
Windows Pro has always had a specific niche. The main issue with 10 is that the niche is more tightly defined than before. Basically, it's for BYOD computers that need to be manageable by an organization to some extent. Essentially, Home with Group Policy and Domain Joining. Really, it's always been that way, but prior to 10 the update process provided more granular control and essentially all versions were LTSB with only occasional service packs or point releases. The major change is that all home versions (and Pro *is* a home version) are on a semiannual release branch with a fresh copy of Windows being installed twice a year, and no practical ability to control that even by an organization other than short-term deferral of feature updates. For Enterprises, that means the option of getting relatively cheap Pro licenses for workstations is no longer feasible - must use the Enterprise line which involves more expense (no single purchase - essentially rental). Hence, Pro is a dead end for businesses that have more than a couple of computers, and some of them are not happy about it.
This is objectively untrue.
So can you tell me what it's like being on the spectrum?
A lot less color detail than being on the MSX, the Commodore 64, or the Apple II. Plus you deal with the Z80 processor, which has its own strengths and weaknesses compared to a contemporary 6502.
Where the fuck do you get off?
Probably at the bus stop nearest the office of the electric power company.
Applications that save state in the way you describe are extremely rare.
Notepad++ saves automatically across Windows restarts, and in my experience, installation of Notepad++ is extremely common on Windows PCs used for programming.
Not to mention that it goes against the entire paradigm of allowing the user to explicitly save state.
To preserve this paradigm, save upon inactivity to a path within %LOCALAPPDATA% and manually to the path of the file itself.
If loss of power causes an application to lose its state
I can't even believe you are trying to excuse Microsoft for this
I'm not excusing Microsoft any more than I'm excusing Indiana Michigan Power for five second outages during the thunderstorm the night before last. Automatic save protects data on a desktop PC from loss of electric power. It also happens to protects data from Microsoft's inconsideracy.