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Intel Wants PCs To Be More Than Just 'Personal Computers' (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report "What people need from a PC, what they expect is really more diverse than ever," Intel's Client Computing head Gregory Bryant said in an interview. "We're going to embark on a journey to transform the PC from a personal computer to a personal contribution platform... The platform where people focus and can do their most meaningful work." Bryant says Intel will focus on five key areas to reframe its vision of PCs: Uncompromised performance (of course); improved connectivity with 5G on the horizon; a dramatic increase in battery life; developing more adaptable platforms that go beyond 2-in-1s and convertibles; and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration. Admittedly, many of those points aren't exactly new for Intel, and they also fall in line with where the computing industry is going.

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  1. They are by phantomfive · · Score: 3

    PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers.' They are phones and all kinds of devices....it's just that Intel isn't part of that.

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    1. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Phones aren't really PCs. They're too locked down to be used for developing software. Which was the whole point of PCs...not having to go wait in line and buy mainframe time.

      Let's face it, computers in most hands are just another boob tube.

    2. Re:They are by JMJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

      A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

    3. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      phatomfive moron, they aren't. PC is a classification of a particular type of computer, just like laptop, smart phone, etc.. is a smart phone a laptop? no. not only is your argument frivolous and semantic, it's just plain wrong. fucking idiot.

    4. Re: They are by Type44Q · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Phones aren't really PCs. They're too locked down to be used for developing software.

      A) Phone's are nothing more than tiny ARM PC's with built-in screens, and...

      B) How the fuck does the "locked down nature" of a typical phone - an irrelevant point to the discussion, anyhow - prevent you from using it to write code??

    5. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Said the web âoedeveloper.â

    6. Re:They are by webnut77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

      A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

      The trouble is that those vendors are not going to give you what you want. As vendors, they need to harvest your data. They also need to have a backdoor into your device for reason... Therefore your device needs to connect back to the mothership.

      TFS:

      and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration

      This makes me nervous. Will this serve me or the vendor?

    7. Re:They are by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like webnut said, gone are the days when someone would sell you a product. Now everyone is just using products as bait in order to hook a recurring revenue stream. They could make things that work 'stand-alone' but it's so much more profitable to make it go through the middle-man....with them being the middle man.

      That being said, is there an indie/homegrown market for home automation? Is it all just Raspberry Pi based stuff? Are their light-bulbs that will work on my internal network? Is there a remote door lock system that listens on my own IP address and not routed through a server on the internet?

      I think their are. The first security camera flaws were poorly secured little web-servers in the cameras themselves weren't they? But at least they had to come to my house to hack me..rather than hacking everyone all at once by hitting the server.

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    8. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to be vulgar you logged in coward/troll.

    9. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for B i would say it might be important to be able to run the code you wrote. Locked down systems don't really let you run side-loaded/unsigned apps that would be a problem.

    10. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Like webnut said, gone are the days when someone would sell you a product. Now everyone is just using products as bait in order to hook a recurring revenue stream."

      Then make domestic espionage illegal, oh it already is. Hold companies accountable. Make some sacrificies and show them you can live without that crap.

    11. Re:They are by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      When I had a Palm IIIxe I thought, what a marvelous device! This is certainly the future, I can put all my information in here, bring it with me and access it whenever I want; if only the interface was better. Then along came touch screens, and stupidly, I got an iPod touch. The first app I tried needed a login to some website. The second app needed a login to some website. Every app I tried needed a login to some website. I thought to myself, why do I need a website run by someone I don't know that is who knows where, in who knows what country, to do what my Palm could do with a docking device.

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    12. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being so fucking obtuse you cuck.

    13. Re:They are by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      The whole point of this is to keep the data at home and cut out the vendor. It doesn't work without open source AI including automated machine learning.

      The open source community needs to come together and create an AI system that competes with the best and learns from its everyday users and the data they feed it without the help of an expert. That is the only way we can both enjoy the advances that AI assistants can bring to our lives and free our data from the vendors.

      Of course, even if that happens, it is an open question as to whether we will find a hardware vendor willing to support home-based AI. It is in direct conflict with their lucrative data center business.

      That probably means that we need a disruptive development either in AI software or hardware to achieve the coup - something from a startup (that chooses not to be bought) that enables AIs in the same class as Deepmind's best to be trained (not just executed) at home in a continuous real-time fashion.

    14. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The two most popular IoT wireless protocols (Zigbee & ZWave) are proprietary requiring 20k+ licensing fee's to make your own devices. There are some emulation libraries for WiFi devices (Like the Phillips Hue & WeMo) but are not 100% compatible with smart home hubs (Like Amazons ECHO V2 for example). There are open source wireless protocols that use the same frequencies as Zigbee but none of the smart home hubs support them unfortunately.

    15. Re: They are by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Most personal computer usage was never used for software development.
      For the most part the old PCs wern't used to compile software. Yes they had BASIC, mostly because of a lack of software options. But Early PCs were used mostly for things like Games, home/office tools and word processors.

      Back in them olden days, if you were doing anything serious with a computer you would have a Mainframe or at least a Mini-computer.

      Phones/Tablets are actually filling the PC's traditional roles. Today's PC's are now more for workstations. And its market needs to be setup for more workstation like features.

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    16. Re:They are by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      That being said, is there an indie/homegrown market for home automation?

      Most smart devices can function without phoning home though updates would still require it.

      There are several open source central servers in development that can run at home and control these. Here is an article that reviews some.

      However, all of these seem to be requiring the users to memorize special control phrases. There doesn't seem to be any effort to create a deep neural network based open source assistant that recognizes users and understands context. Without this, it is really not a smart device. It is based on keyword recognition, not natural language processing.

    17. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be more worried about the 5G. Now your PC doesn't need to be wired into the Internet via a cable which you can pull out and disconnect. It will have a 5G wireless connection so that it is "always connected".

    18. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones aren't really PCs.

      Yeah, they are ... a modern phone is a more powerful computer than ... well, all of 1978 actually.

      That the people who made it restrict what you can do with it is irrelevant to if it is a computer.

      They're too locked down to be used for developing software. Which was the whole point of PCs...not having to go wait in line and buy mainframe time.

      Dude, you're completely fucking talking out of your ass, what the fuck are you smoking?

      The "point of PCs" was not software development, it was accessing computers. Suddenly you could have this magical appliance in your house .. they were sold for things like word processing. They came into existence because IBM figured they could sell more of them -- but in the early 80's they weren't saying "you can write software", you could use software.

      Honestly, you're just making up random shit and pretending it's true.

    19. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones aren't really PCs. They're too locked down to be used for developing software.

      A) Phone's are nothing more than tiny ARM PC's with built-in screens, and...

      B) How the fuck does the "locked down nature" of a typical phone - an irrelevant point to the discussion, anyhow - prevent you from using it to write code??

      Take your meds, psycho.

    20. Re:They are by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I don't even need the voice aspect of it.

      I need things like my clocks to update after a power outage/not having to reset my alarms. My coffee maker to be linked to that alarm + an offset. Power controls to turn off lighting from the bedroom and auto-disconnect circuits with phantom loads. Adjusting the blinds for optimal passive solar.

      Things that save me time and having to remember to do them. Those are the most important, then the other aspect is just having dumb screens/speakers. I don't want to have to lug my gaming rig down to the living room for game night or duplicate my purchase on console. Or the ability to send a Skype call from one room to the next (ideally have it follow me around). Mobile phones are great but when I'm home, it's charging and I don't want to be taking it everywhere with me. I have more freedom in my car than I do at home in that sense.

      Heck, just not having a bunch of tablets/laptops/etc scattered about would be great. A single system, out of sight, for all to use at the same time on whatever dumb screen they wish is my ideal.

    21. Re: They are by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Phones aren't really PCs.

      They are small portable pocket sized personal computers.

      They're too locked down to be used for developing software.

      Yours maybe, not mine.

    22. Re:They are by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

      A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

      I'm with you on that! Well stated!!!

    23. Re:They are by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The open source community needs to come together

      HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHHHAHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!

      Ow, it hurts! Stop it!!!

      HAHAHAHAHAHHHHOHOHOHOHOHOHHHOHHO!!!!

      Come together to write an AI platform?!? HOW many Linux Distros are there?!?!?

      That's the best laugh I've had all year!

    24. Re:They are by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      When I had a Palm IIIxe I thought, what a marvelous device! This is certainly the future, I can put all my information in here, bring it with me and access it whenever I want; if only the interface was better. Then along came touch screens, and stupidly, I got an iPod touch. The first app I tried needed a login to some website. The second app needed a login to some website. Every app I tried needed a login to some website. I thought to myself, why do I need a website run by someone I don't know that is who knows where, in who knows what country, to do what my Palm could do with a docking device.

      Funny. Out of the over 100 Apps I have on my iPhone and iPad, I can only name a few that "have to log on to a website". A lot of them DISPLAY ad-stuff that probably comes from a web-server, and stuff like Weather Apps can ONLY work by pulling data from some server somewhere (since my iPhone doesn't have Doppler RADAR capabilities); but I am pretty sure most, if not all of them would still work if my internet service was down.

      Try again, Hater.

      What kind of Apps are you Running, anyway?

    25. Re: They are by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      And its market needs to be setup for more workstation like features.

      You mean run Unix?

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    26. Re: They are by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Make some sacrificies and show them you can live without that crap.

      They may need to be human sacrifices if you really want rid of the crap.

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    27. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

      The only reason this shit is sold and marketed is pervasive stalking for profit. That can't happen if you control your own shit so don't hold your breath.

      Very few people are naturally interested because integration provides such little useful actual value as to be worthless to vast majority of consumers.

    28. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are small portable pocket sized personal computers.

      Keep repeating it. Maybe it will come true someday if you wish really hard.

    29. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers.' They are phones and all kinds of devices....it's just that Intel isn't part of that.

      PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers'. They're spying platforms. We like it that way, and we're gonna keep it that way.

      Love,
      Intel

    30. Re:They are by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      My wife wanted a separate tablet to run unsafe apps on, and the one we bought was only 5% more than the cheapest one. I was surprised when it arrived and had an "intel inside" sticker. I'd have gone with the cheaper one if I had realized, but too late now!

      It's a total dog, I'm so glad it wasn't a primary-device purchase!

    31. Re:They are by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      I have yet to find a task management app that can sync with all my PCs yet doesn't use a website of some sort. Same for note-keeping apps that can contain both text and images. I started using Keepnote on the PC but no way to integrate that with phone.

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    32. Re: They are by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Let's face it, computers in most hands are just another boob tube.

      You could say the same thing about desktop computers, yet they're still also PCs.

      I think a phone is every bit as much a personal computer as a desktop computer is. They're lame personal computers (e.g. shitty keyboard among other limitations), but hey, they fit in your pocket. Most people basically do the same things with them as they do with desktops.

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    33. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble is that those vendors are not going to give you what you want. As vendors, they need to harvest your data. They also need to have a backdoor into your device for reason... Therefore your device needs to connect back to the mothership.

      So, don't buy from those vendors. You can basically do anything you want with Home Assistant and nobody has the ability to stop you. The only way you're not in total control, the only way your data is in the "cloud" instead of your own computer, is if you want that. If you don't want that, then you stay in total control, without any leaked data, backdoors, or internet dependencies (except for maybe the VPN you use to remotely access it from your phone when you're not within wifi range).

    34. Re:They are by atrimtab · · Score: 2

      The two most popular IoT wireless protocols (Zigbee & ZWave) are proprietary requiring 20k+ licensing fee's to make your own devices. There are some emulation libraries for WiFi devices (Like the Phillips Hue & WeMo) but are not 100% compatible with smart home hubs (Like Amazons ECHO V2 for example). There are open source wireless protocols that use the same frequencies as Zigbee but none of the smart home hubs support them unfortunately.

      Z-Wave is proprietary, but Zigbee has open source software and hardware options.

      You can use a Z-wave/Zigbee/WiFi controller hub like the VeraPlus and cut off it's ability to "phone home." While built on OpenWRT Barrier Breaker it's still proprietary, but more hackable and controllable than the others.

      There is also work being done Rasberry Pi replacements for the Vera using projects projects like OpenLuup:

      https://github.com/akbooer/ope...

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    35. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1? AC's a boob with an implausible argument. Then again if this is a troll, I tip my hat.

    36. Re: They are by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      Writing anything beyond a 20 character script to update a Raspberry Pi from my phone is an exercise in frustration. I refuse to write even Hello World on my phone. I have a Desktop or Laptop for that.

    37. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats, you just re-invented the smart hub.

    38. Re:They are by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers.' They are phones and all kinds of devices...

      Sure, if you pedantically separate the term "personal" and "computer" into it's core components and apply it to everything you own that computes then yes. Back in the real world a PC has a widely accepted definition that sure as heck has nothing to do with your mobile phone or any other kind of device.

    39. Re: They are by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A) Phone's are nothing more than tiny ARM PC's with built-in screens

      There was a time where if it didn't run Windows on an Intel core it wasn't called a PC at all. There was a whole company who claimed that their products were different to PCs, I think their products were called Justin Long, or maybe that was just an actor pretending to be their product, can't remember.

      Point is: Go to a random person in the street and ask them what a PC is, I will bet you a Mars bar no one points to your phone. It may be your personal device which can compute, but a PC it ain't.

    40. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a load of crap... Back in the older days we actually programmed on our PC's or Atari 800's with not only basic for some quick code, but shit like fortran, C, forth, and Assembly. Using a mainframe back in the day was mostly batch type systems, or time shared systems you talk about inconvenience! A lot of early particle accelerator software was done on an Atari 800, and 8086 PC's. Most kids back in the 80's were writing their own utility and game software on Commodore 64's, Apple II's and Atari 400/800s (i.e. software development).

      Fast forward to now, and your statement holds true, most PC's are not used for software at all, but running social media apps, and video apps, not much use for compiling code (what phones/tablets are doing today)..

    41. Re: They are by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Have you even tried? Occasionally my Linux desktop goes all Helen Keller and I use JuiceSSH to log in & kill whatever's causing it. Even that - thirty characters total, taking two minutes at most - is painful on the itty bitty screen and virtual keyboard, but I'm too lazy to walk 20 feet to the lounge and do it from my wife's lappie or get mine out & fire it up.

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    42. Re:They are by HatofPig · · Score: 1

      Yes. Right now I'm running a Radicale server just to my phone's calendar and contacts local to my LAN with WebDAV. It was a pain in the ass to set up, and I only did it after I couldn't figure out how to just sync over my USB connection using flat files. All this work just to recapture the glory of using my Palm V... actually if the digitizer wasn't broken and I could replace the battery for it I'd probably still use it and keep my phone turned off in my bag all day.

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    43. Re:They are by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      ok, so Intel is a small part of that.....just in a way that their customers wish they weren't.

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    44. Re: They are by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      How the fuck does the "locked down nature" of a typical phone - an irrelevant point to the discussion, anyhow - prevent you from using it to write code

      Tell me, Mr. Andersonwhat good is a phone callif you're unable to speak?

      Apple doesn't allow you to installer a compiler on your phone. Ergo, you can't write code that involves a compiler. I suppose you could backdoor the whole thing -- but it's also really annoying to write anything long (let alone code) on a touch screen keyboard.

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    45. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I use a totally unlocked, rooted phone with an open source operating system (AOSP). Nothing on it is "locked down" from me.

      It's much more likely that you just don't know what you are doing.

    46. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone pairs with a keyboard and mouse and can be plugged into any HDMI display. Does yours lack the capability?

    47. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A phone is a computer and it's arguably more "personal" than the one that sits on the desk or rack. It is a PC.

      What you meant to say is "IBM PC", "IBM PC compatible" or "IBM PC clone". That's what x86 desktop computers have always been known as until "Wintel", "Windows PC" or just "Windows" became the terms to use.

    48. Re:They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW many Linux Distros are there?!?!?

      About 3-5 that really matter. Anyhow, choice is bad in Apple fanboi land so who gives a shit what you think.

    49. Re:They are by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I have a box full of old games that I was rummaging in yesterday, and among them are some that say "Dual format: PC & Mac". They sure as fuck wouldn't run on a Commodore 64 or an Acorn/BBC, despite both of those being computers and decidedly un-corporate.

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    50. Re: They are by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Apple's App Store originally had severe restrictions on the ability of apps to generate and execute code, essentially making it impossible to write an app for native software development. (The notable exception would be an app that created Javascript code that runs in Safari.) They have been loosened somewhat since then, but iOS is still a rather restrictive environment for that purpose. There is, of course, no restriction on the ability to use it as a web device to write code that runs on OTHER computers.

      Android has never had any restrictions on apps that create and execute code. Even if the Play Store were to introduce them, you could sideload development apps on most devices.

      The small size of the screen on a phone and the lack of a real keyboard are much more severe problems, and they are inherent to the form factor. I don't expect to ever see a lot of software developers writing code on their phones. Larger tablets are another matter; those could be used effectively for coding.

    51. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a liar. The microcomputer industry was created as an alternative to mainframes and mini-computers. A personal computer is a prebuilt mass market microcomputer. A machine you could use all by yourself, any time you want and no one would scream if you hit the power switch. Popular use for uncustomized boxed software like games and wordprocessors was a side-effect of their commercial success, not their reason for being.

    52. Re: They are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The market is dominated by computer illiterates. Most people would do just fine with an Xbox that ran Microsoft Office. We must never forget that and actively avoid the exploitation that is in store for such users.

    53. Re: They are by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Back in them olden days, if you were doing anything serious with a computer you would have a Mainframe or at least a Mini-computer.

      Back in the olden days, we used development systems on PCs to develop software for minicomputers.

    54. Re:They are by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      And they should NOT be on the internet.

  2. improved connectivity by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2

    If that is a eufemism for communicating behind the user's control, I certainly do NOT want " improved connectivity".

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    1. Re:improved connectivity by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I honestly don't want anything they're selling up there except uncompromised performance. I want to see larger DRAM capacity and more I/O bandwidth, on a larger range of their product portfolio than it presently has.

      I've got a smart-phone, I don't want it to be my laptop or desktop, nor vice versa.

    2. Re:improved connectivity by postbigbang · · Score: 3

      It would do my heart well if they'd just fix their processors so that they're immune from predictability attacks, rather than trying to distract the world with their latest PR shenanigans.

      WTF, Intel? Can we even trust you? EVERY ONE OF YOUR CPUs made in the past decade is abusable. FIX THAT FIRST.

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    3. Re:improved connectivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you read about the "more than just a personal computer" part? The spy machinery is not for you to control. This isn't personal. Certainly not once your "management engine" has been persuaded to join a botnet.

    4. Re:improved connectivity by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      I certainly do NOT want " improved connectivity".

      exactly:
      https://popularresistance.org/...
      https://meltdownattack.com/

      How about some "improved security".

      Not that we can really blame Intel when every single web browser developer decided to JIT compile their javascript and rely on obscure processor features for their only security because the bunny MUST dance faster!

      But embedded Wifi KVM in every CPU. That brilliance falls squarely on Intel.

    5. Re:improved connectivity by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      In all fairness. If javascript wasn't being JIT compiled for extra performance, this would not have been remote read of everything by every browser on the planet with scripting enabled.

      As it is, the fixes will probably mostly work for things like OS management of processes but exporting that level of access to every website you visit, that's really bad.

  3. GTFO then..... by khandom08 · · Score: 2

    We're going to embark on a journey

  4. Too much marketing speak by BLToday · · Score: 2

    Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster, that was marketing loaded statement. How about Intel gets back to doing Intel things, building great chips. Cut the marketing talk and do the engineering walk.

    1. Re:Too much marketing speak by khandom08 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget - fix the fucking design issues that make us vulnerable to Meltdown and Spectre.

    2. Re:Too much marketing speak by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3

      No can do, it goes against "uncompromised performance".

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    3. Re:Too much marketing speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, now it has become "thoroughly compromised performance"

  5. uh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What does the CPU maker have to do with all that?

    Just execute the instructions, thanks. Oh, and don't give things access to the memory that shouldn't have it. Thanks again.

    1. Re: uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's part of the issue- they don't want to be just the CPU maker. They want to control and possibly integrate on the chip network, video and higher level components under their control. Effectively killing the ability to choose best in breed or external but upgradable network and video and more.

      There is a niche for that market - and they can do it for a large number of people. But they seem to be trying to get into a market already diminated by others. I'm not sure the Intel brand is strong enough to catch up from behind.

    2. Re:uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just execute the instructions, thanks. Oh, and don't give things access to the memory that shouldn't have it. Thanks again.

      Don't you mean "Thanks in advance"?

    3. Re:uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight. There's nothing new under the sun with hardware, and commercial software is now little more than marketing's way of selling you more crap you don't know you don't need.

    4. Re:uh by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 1

      The Intel CPU already predicted he would thank them.

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    5. Re:uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the CPU maker have to do with all that?

      Just execute the instructions, thanks.

      Whose? We are talking about "more than just personal computers" here.

    6. Re:uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel is attempting to move into 'service' space, to placate market loss, missed quarterly earnings..

      This is dumb on their part, as market direction, is pushing back on that, due to security, or insecurity as the case often is.

      Sorry Intel. You're a chip-maker. That means nothing, when it comes to providing 'security as a service' with wherever this is going that they're advertising ...

    7. Re:uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P2P social media distribution nodes. bye bye Facebook! Though, calculating the hashes will takes more CPU cycles. Oh hey! Lookie who will provide that!!

      AI based hardware acceleration? Not for you pal. It's to spy on you for analytic processing via "Shadow Computing". Meaning, it's processing you, not what you want to be done!

    8. Re:uh by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      What does the CPU maker have to do with all that?

      Because if Intel didn't try to push the envelope, no one would.

      PC OEMs (outside of Apple) have long had a case of tunnel vision. They're stuck in the next-quarter mindset, so they'll double-down on whatever is selling well at this instant, and rarely put serious money into developing new concepts. They're the 21st century equivalent of Henry Ford believing that all Model Ts should be black.

      As a result, it's fallen to Intel to do a lot of the development and marketing of new PC concepts. At various times they've spurred on both highly successful devices like Ultrabooks, and flops like Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs).

      Intel's interest in it is that if they don't do this, someone else will develop the next generation of computing and the x86 PC market will miss the boat. And given what's happened with mobile devices - where Intel did miss the boat by investing in MIDs instead - they're right to be concerned.

  6. We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and higher by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

    AMD has more on both and on there high end gaming / workstations chips all cpus have the same number of lanes. Unlike the intel ones where min cpu cost is $1000 just to get the same number lanes that can $350-$500 chip used to have.

  7. It's dead, Jim. by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    And you know it.

    1. Re:It's dead, Jim. by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      +1

    2. Re: It's dead, Jim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they're dead, as compared to their former self. But no, they don't know it, or at least won't admit it.

      Their ghandi ish think/say/do is out of alignment.

      Imagine how refreshing it'd be , to have the GM actually say that ... Oh, wait, there's Elops burning platform memo ... Strike that call for refreshing openness, stick to the journey marketing fluff ...

    3. Re: It's dead, Jim. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Elop's burning platform memo was not openness, it was not excessive honesty -- it was sabotage.

      The memo was full of lies. Symbian was still the market leader, massively profitable, and it was expected to remain like that for years, even with Android encroaching. Nokia still had time to work on MeeGo, their situation was not desperate. Except that stupid memo caused the sudden collapse of their smartphone business.

      It is obvious now: Elop thought this would force a move to Windows Phone. Because that was his true allegiance, he was there to peddle Microsoft's garbage, even if it killed Nokia! Too bad for him, there was another company ready to fill this vacuum: Samsung, more than any other Android manufacturer, made billions from Elop's idiocy.

  8. No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My PC is connected to the grid. No battery life needed.
    I have my house wired for ethernet. No 5G needed.

    1. Re:No thanks by najajomo · · Score: 1

      @OrangeTide: "I'm only looking for a Personal Computer or Workstation. I don't wish to commit to anything beyond that."

      Once everything moves to 'the cloud', you will be revealed of the burden of making the choice.

    2. Re:No thanks by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." — Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      640k should be enough for everyone.You can pry my 486 out of my cold dead fingers!

    4. Re:No thanks by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      not counting framebuffer memory, I don't think any of my software (mostly drivers) over the last two decades needed anywhere near 640k RAM.

      a 486 typically had 4MB installed. a 386 typically had 2MB. I think you can do a lot of computing with that amount of memory as long as you don't do multimedia (graphics and audio) and don't need a lot of multitasking. And there were some very nice WYSIWYG word processors that ran in 512K on Mac & Atari ST. But a simple computer with such restrictions is not much more than a big calculator + typewriter replacement. That doesn't mean it is useless, but it's not flashy enough for people to run out and buy a new one every 18 months.

      I guess I'm one of those heretics that thinks there is more to computers than AAA gaming and YouTube.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  9. Still waiting on the phone "dock" to be ubiquitous by gravyface · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems to make the most sense to me: phone + high-quality KVM experience = what 99% of the population wants.

    --
    body massage!
  10. They need to be cuddly by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Like a puppy or a kitten. Something your can love and will love you back. On second thought, forget it. I'll just by a dog.

  11. Intelspeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is Intelspeak for "we want your personal information so we can sell it."

  12. Learn from Blackberry by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the headline & summary, I was immediately flashed back to my time at RIM where the company had exactly the same vision for Blackberries - the talking points are identical to what I heard at RIM. TFA goes into a bit of the technology required for the vision but, again, I could go back 8-10 years to RIM and see identical issues (connectivity, battery life, processors & software omnipotence) being discussed as requirements for the platform.

    RIM's failure to succeed was largely due to hubris and inattention to what was going on around them but I tend to think that there was a basic underpinning that there is NO single device that can do everything for everybody and trying to come up with the ultimate device, whether it is on a communications device (Blackberry) or a "personal contribution platform" isn't going to end where the proponents think it will.

    1. Re:Learn from Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You missed the part where they gave up the keys for BBM to Governments. It undermined their entire security posture.

      You missed the part where they stopped innovating, stopped caring and for years road the cororpate money trains. Playbook, was a fucking disaster.

      You missed the part where their own HR department prevented technically sound people from ever applying because they wanted so much background information. For anyone who never went through that process, applicants were forced through a screening process straight out of some creepy spy movie. You have an esier time applying for Government security clearence.

      You missed the part where they had several incredibly stupid outages. Despite all their redundantcy. One of which was literally their storage group blew away the configuration on a production array.

      Sound familiar? It should. Google, Microsoft, Facebook, the same Liberal, sociopathic work environment destoried them as it has every other tech company before it.

      I could go on but you get the point I hope.

      Fun fact, stay away from Waterloo. There's a lot of money because of the immigration but many of the tech companies are ex RIM employees and UWaterloo allumni with massive egos..

    2. Re:Learn from Blackberry by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      This is off-topic, but I want to thank you for your time at Research In Motion.
      I loved my Blackberry (the real, original tough-as-nails) one, and I currently sport a KeyOne, which I know isn't a *real* BB (like the no true scotsman fallacy) but the keyboard is oh so seductive...

      --
      So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
    3. Re:Learn from Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should they have licensed their OS to other vendors? Although Apple still does this one stop vertically integrated thing, having an OS tied to a computer vendor and vice versa is a stupid thing to do and it's a relic of the 80s when Atari, Amiga, Amstrad, Sinclair etc. computers only ran their own software.
      So to me, Blackberry ended just like Commodore.
      Unless you're Apple, trying to own the world as a lone vendor versus hundreds of vendors is a futile exercise.

      Blackberry could even have just sold Blackberry branded mobile keyboards and a Blackberry branded app. Well they do have an "app" now, but you have to know it exists.

  13. photonic ic? graphene chips? nooooo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not repeat the mistake of the past (heavily invest in R&D of a new technologie to become a wolrd-class success company).
    Let try what we failed horribly 10 years ago one more time. Just to be sure.

    Here we go again.

  14. Marketing statement touted as something new by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    Was it really necessary to write a whole article about Intel thumps it's own chest and doesn't even announce anything new?

    Two of the five things, performance and efficiency, is something every chip maker invests heavily into and have obviously been a priority for Intel since the 1980s. Wireless modems and connecting their chips to them is likewise old hat for them, thou just by a bit over a decade while hardware for faster and more efficient machine learning is more recent for them, it's something every big chip maker and their mother is working on. Finally, trying to get into new form factors is something they've been trying to for quite a while, but after getting into servers in the 90s they've only been semi-successful at getting into tablets and that was only while they were literally giving away chips for tablets. 2-in-1s are not a new category, they're just laptops with touch screens and keyboards that fold away or detach and they've existed since the 90s.

    Maybe my natural cynicism is acting out here, but I really don't see anything in that yes man's statement worthy of attention. It's just some overpaid executive stating what they've been doing since at least the 1980s.

    --
    "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
  15. Hell no by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want my PC to do one thing and one thing only: do what I tell it to do. I don't want it to "think" for me, make guesses at what it thinks I'm going to do, or get in the way of what I'm doing.

    I want a platform which is stable so I can do my work.

    --
    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No branch prediction in your CPU then, I s'pose?

    2. Re:Hell no by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Branch prediction is for gamers, some people have work to do!

    3. Re:Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False equivalence. He is not referring to things as low-level as branch prediction. From the point of software running on the CPU, branch prediction doesn't exist. The entire point of branch prediction is that the code is always executed with the same eventual result it would have had in the absence of branch prediction. The user certainly doesn't notice it, except for a speed up in some branch-heavy code. This is in no way equivalent to using machine learning to guess the user's high level action, where in the best case the user can see the guesses being incorrect and get annoyed, and in the worst case the incorrect result produced by ML can actually mess something up.

      Branch prediction is too low-level to get in the way of what the user is doing. The "machine learning integration" marketing bullshit is absolutely at the level where it can get in the user's way. I don't know about you, but I get a lot more irritated by things I can actually notice than branch prediction failure, of all things.

    4. Re:Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No fucking way! I hate all that preloading/precaching bullshit and the upper level stuff within in the operating system that I can disable, like Superfetch, are immediately disabled. If I could disable processor level precaching I would. I'm not wombat but I'll repeat what he said: I want it to do what I tell it to. Nothing more. Period. End Stop.

  16. Full Tard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have various tools--hammers, saws, socket wrenches, etc.

    Can Stanley or Snap-on transform my tools into "personal contribution platforms"?

    1. Re:Full Tard by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If instead of buying tools you agree to rent access to tools-as-a-service then they could.

  17. What about blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He missed a golden opportunoity to bump Intel's stock 5% by just mentioning blockchain.

  18. Simpsons by Train0987 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Homer had the same idea when he designed his car.

  19. AMD then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want and need my stationary PC. It's easy to upgrade, robust, stable, easy to connect anything inside and outside, runs Linux just fine, gaming through Steam, Netflix through Chrome (maybe Firefox even works now?). Everything works!

    If you break it, AMD here we come!!

    Oh, and fix your issues.

  20. But does it run Linux? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or is it going to be locked down to tight to load your own OS?

  21. They understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why I want a PC with ARM, 8 core, 64 bit, no Intel comm engine, capable of cellular net connection with hardware power switch and no microsoft OS, no microsoft OS modules, no microsoft OS Linux subsystems, no microsoft applications, nothing from Intel or microsoft. Intel wants to sell me Intel with a spy engine in it. OH, with less power consumption

  22. Marketing just figured out how to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They want PCs to be PCs?

    Because that is what it reads as.

    Then you read 'always on 5G connectivity' and it becomes Big Brothers Little Helper instead.

    I can always go for more battery life, but going for always connected insecurity is out of security budget.

    1. Re:Marketing just figured out how to say... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, they're saying, in the old days the software was locked to what type of CPU and related technologies you had, that was your "platform." Then things shifted so that platform meant middleware. Then they got rid of most of the middleware and pushed things into portable client-side javascript.

      And so now Intel wants to shift the concept of "platform" back to the PC, and the only new thing they could find that would make it seem reasonable is AI that would need special local hardware resources to lock you in. Which would be a great idea, if the people making use of AI in the market generally were the same people that buy the PCs. Except, end users buy PCs, and companies collecting, collating and selling data about the user want to have AI.

      The only way to close that loop is to sell the PCs below cost as a loss-leader. It worked for X-Box but not cuecat.

  23. PC stands for Panopticon Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With integrated 5g and wireless power your computer can spy on you 24/7 monitoring your exact location, keystrokes, brainwaves even when you install Linux due to ME. This is the age of the telescreen computer.

    1. Re:PC stands for Panopticon Computing by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Then don't have one, or put it away in a drawer or closet when you're not using it.

  24. No thanks by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm only looking for a Personal Computer or Workstation. I don't wish to commit to anything beyond that.

    It's like when I buy a blender, I don't also need it to be a cheese grater.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  25. Um... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    Uncompromised performance (of course); improved connectivity with 5G on the horizon; a dramatic increase in battery life; developing more adaptable platforms that go beyond 2-in-1s and convertibles; and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration.

    Uncompromised performance (of course) and a dramatic increase in battery life typically don't go together well. Granted, they can get better battery life, but it generally means that at least some compromise in performance is needed.

    Still, most of this just sounds like a long winded way of saying they want to get into the mobile phone market. Better battery performance- check, 5G connectivity- check, AI blah blah, Siri, Google voice, etc- check. More adaptable platforms, phones are getting pretty powerful these days. I can certainly foresee the possibility of being able to wireless connect them to a keyboard mouse and monitor. Actually it may evolve into a device that you wear/implant that contains your stored files and setup preferences and a phone works as a handheld interface, or you can interface it with a wireless KVM. Or your home entertainment system. If there were some type of standard interface it would start making upgrades less painful too.

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uncompromised performance is their way of saying "we're not sorry we took dangerous, insecure shortcuts to beat competitors"

      The '(of course)' is like a shitty little wink & nod to the speculative execution disaster.

    2. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uncompromised performance (of course) and a dramatic increase in battery life typically don't go together well. Granted, they can get better battery life, but it generally means that at least some compromise in performance is needed.

      In the last few years laptops did just that. They transitioned from 35W CPUs to 15W CPUs, and idle power use went down (Haswell did a dramatic reduction in power use). You get a CPU that "turboes" to 3.x GHz (which it does fine when your browser is doing something and this uses 100% of one thread). Transition from CCFL to LED backlight also helped although unrelated.

      Now sure, if we could get a low end laptop with a 35W Intel CPU it would probably have quite faster clocks, up to 4GHz. Laptop vendors are addicted to the lower power and cooling requirements though.
      Most annoying is I should run a great many games on a 2C/4T Intel 15W CPU and accompanying low grade nvidia GPU. Such hardware technically "sucks" but it's more powerful than my old desktop. I don't want to run video games that require an Internet connection (even once at "activation" time), that's why I don't have fun with the hardware. Am I supposed to pay for a game, then get datamined? This ruins my fun.

  26. AI and personnal assistants by Zitchas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, I really like the idea of having a personal assistant AI sort of thing that tries to help keep track of stuff for me.

    The problem is that everything these days wants to send all that data back to a server somewhere. My personal computer should be just that: My. Computer. I want something that requires zero internet connectivity to do its job. And that job should very clearly be: Do what I tell it to do. Take notes, schedule an appointment on my calendar, open programs, set a timer, or an alarm, or a reminder, etc.

    The closest it should get to doing stuff online is if I specifically ask it to do something online. ex: "Search the internet for pictures of kittens." Simply stating "Search for kittens" should default to searching my computer itself. Nothing should go online without my actually stating that it should go online.

    Computers in the late 90s were starting to get programs that could do basic voice recognition and dictation. I see no reason why my computer today can't do vastly better at it than the old apple performa did - and without using any servers anywhere to do so.

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    1. Re:AI and personnal assistants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a simplified web browser. Even Firefox optimizes performance by having pre-made connections to Amazon Web Services, Facebook, Google and many others (Akamai).

    2. Re:AI and personnal assistants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, I really like the idea of having a personal assistant AI sort of thing that tries to help keep track of stuff for me.

      The problem is that everything these days wants to send all that data back to a server somewhere. My personal computer should be just that: My. Computer. I want something that requires zero internet connectivity to do its job. And that job should very clearly be: Do what I tell it to do. Take notes, schedule an appointment on my calendar, open programs, set a timer, or an alarm, or a reminder, etc.

      The closest it should get to doing stuff online is if I specifically ask it to do something online. ex: "Search the internet for pictures of kittens." Simply stating "Search for kittens" should default to searching my computer itself. Nothing should go online without my actually stating that it should go online.

      Computers in the late 90s were starting to get programs that could do basic voice recognition and dictation. I see no reason why my computer today can't do vastly better at it than the old apple performa did - and without using any servers anywhere to do so.

      You have just defined a new market; now we need people to sit down and work out how to address that market, not just the hardware, but of even greater importance; the software too. Now we need investors that will work to address that new market. Take a risk; drive that idea forward in the very best tradition of free enterprise and do your level best to compete against the likes of Intel, Microsoft or Adobe, who clearly have no intention of ever addressing it.

  27. PR by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    Another PR stunt to make the stock holders happy.
    This PR BS is related to Apple's new job positions of many h/w engineers and specialists in verification.

  28. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has Intel missed the fact that "PCs" is an abbreviation for "Personal Computers"?

    Are they literally saying that "We want Personal Computers to not be Personal Computers" ?

    Doesn't this necessitate needing a new term? This sounds to me like a childrens joke... Down the lines of "When is a car not a car?"

    *(When it turns into a driveway)

  29. Three things I need from a computer: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    1. Powerful
    2. Reliable
    3. Not locked into using only Windows

    The rest is up to the software I run on it.

  30. all dressed up and no place to go by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    I think the horsepower is already there -- but there needs to be better ways to take advantage of it. What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI. The touch based GUIs we have now are not standard across platforms, and are generally only concerned with desktops, not applications. And so, on our touch device, we can navigate to an app and open it by touch, but once in the app if it has any complexity at all, we're reduced to a KVM or some device that mimics a mouse, because that's the kind of input the app expects. And the solution we're expected to accept is a laptop with a detachable touch sensitive screen for when we want to cruise through netflix, which we have to reattach to the rest of the laptop to do any serious work.

    As consumers, we need to significantly raise our expectations. There should be a rich, standard set of gestures, in a commonly available library, that applications can use and understand. You shouldn't have to touch a mouse or use a mouse-analog device for most operations in-app. You shouldn't have to touch a keyboard unless you're inputting a substantial amount of text. (And even then, voice recognition has become a valid replacement for casual text input.)

    Faster computers, faster network access, more portability, longer battery life, are all good things, but most of them (with the exception of battery life) are already Good Enough. What we need is something to DO with this hardware besides looking at cat videos.

    And I know, I know, content creation is a much smaller market than cat video watching. So I don't expect this to be fixed any time soon.

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    1. Re:all dressed up and no place to go by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI.... There should be a rich, standard set of gestures,

      There's only one gesture I'd ever use with Windows.

    2. Re:all dressed up and no place to go by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI.... There should be a rich, standard set of gestures,

      There's only one gesture I'd ever use with Windows.

      Ok ok I get it, really. My proposal was OS-agnostic because I don't really care who does it as long as it's rich enough to reasonably do content creation and has a library that's available cross-platform. (If M$ does it, it'll probably be an Edge plug-in that just repurposes their accessibility suite, and everyone will lose interest for another decade or so...)

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  31. Crappy integrated graphics by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should put their money where there mouth is when it comes to performance and stop making the PC the laughing stock of console peasants due to 80% of them with integrated 15 years behind consoles and save game developers a big headache

    1. Re:Crappy integrated graphics by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I get what you're saying but If you're a gamer and aren't using a fullsize PC, or at least a laptop that supports an external GPU box, then you picked your own poison so deserve everything you get.

    2. Re:Crappy integrated graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should put their money where there mouth is when it comes to performance and stop making the PC the laughing stock of console peasants due to 80% of them with integrated 15 years behind consoles and save game developers a big headache

      Actually, regarding my work laptops it's give me Intel or give me death regarding the graphics. What you call "15 years behind" I call "no fscking proprietary secrets they think they need to keep away from Linux kernel developers". The Intel integrated graphics are the ones that suspend and hibernate painlessly, require no folderol with compiling kernel stubs, don't cause "tainted kernels", don't cause low-latency kernels to spend large amounts of time who-knows-where and causing drops in audio. And they leave battery life alone mostly. Besides, it's more like 8 years. And that's pretty fine for an audio and even a video workstation. Even if it is 6 years old already.

    3. Re:Crappy integrated graphics by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I've also never heard of any Intel integrated GPU that died or desoldered itself because of overheating, making Intel integrated GPU the safest route for non-gaming computers, especially laptops.

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    4. Re:Crappy integrated graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've also never heard of any Intel integrated GPU that died or desoldered itself because of overheating, making Intel integrated GPU the safest route for non-gaming computers, especially laptops.

      Ah yes. I have a "black screen" NVIDIA-equipped T61 Thinkpad here that's reduced to spare part source. There actually was a motherboard replacement program from Lenovo at one point of time but I heard of it too late. Apparently afflicted systems can sometimes be cured by resoldering, but the involved processes using hot air guns and aluminum foil shields and whatnot really call for non-trivial expertise. Turns out that the 1440×900 (?) screen from the NVIDIA GPU T61 can just be mounted on the 1280×800 (?) Intel T61 laptop base and will just work fine. So at least I did not lose the graphics resolution I have come to appreciate.

  32. What PC? by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    For most what they call a PC is computer + Internets.
    If Intel wants to help out and expand the PC then how about spending some dosh on busting big com so more can tweet their infos on facechat. >:^P

  33. Be leery by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    Everyone knew the day was coming where PC manufacturers would limit the low level control you have on your PC so that they can be locked down from doing activities they deem to be wrong, and encourage you to do activities they can monetize. Now the day has come.

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    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    1. Re:Be leery by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Yeah thats also what I got when I translated it from marketingspeak to English.

    2. Re:Be leery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it hasn't. Yawn.

  34. So simple: Work with Microsoft and make an iPad by biloute · · Score: 1

    I believe many people would love a lightweight tablet (or phone) that they can use as their main computer to "resume" whatever it is they were doing. Think Nintendo Switch. I absolutely abhor Windows and have been using Unix for.. (crap, man I'm so old), but I have been curious enough to get a 13" windows tablet to give it a try. Man does it sucks (not that Linux is any better, there's nothing since Ubuntu gave up). It's much better than it used to be, I actually use it to read my humblebundle ebooks, but so far behind Android or IOS in terms of usability. There's so much potential, especially since Microsoft opened their eyes and started following the cloud movement. But they don't even have the basics right... It's depressing, it reminds me of the first windows phone, where they almost got the idea but were so entrenched in their menus and stuff that they didn't think about usability. I should stop, I'm ranting.

    1. Re:So simple: Work with Microsoft and make an iPad by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I *might* start to believe it when a phone has enough power to play AAA games or drive my Vive, or I can install linux on it natively.

    2. Re:So simple: Work with Microsoft and make an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean something like Gemini PDA?

      Gemini PDA runs 5 Linux distros, Debian, Ubuntu, Sailfish, Android, unlocked bootloader, open source

      Here presenting 5 Linux distros, unlocked bootloader, open source at http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.... (with more source code to come shortly to that page) hardware acceleration of any Linux distro is under development using https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris and planning to try to integrate https://halium.org to optimize the performance in all Linux distributions, to use the Android GPU, sound, video, modem and other binaries to each their fullest hopefully within each Linux distro. Gemini PDA hopes that by unlocking their bootloader, by providing the bootloader open source, providing their Linux distro images open source, letting users do whatever they want and multi-booth any OS that they would like, hopefully there will be a vibrant community to bring great all Linux performance on this MediaTek X27 deca-core Powered large and awesome mechanical keyboard phone. After having soon shipped to their remaining Indiegogo backers, Planet Computers hopes to be able to expand much further selling their phone through distributors and telcos around the world.

  35. Intel makes chipsets & graphics cards by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and hard drives and memory and the NUCs and pretty much everything a that makes a computer a computer, so they've got a lot to do with it.

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  36. A Willing Servant to Big Brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never again Intel: YOU OWE US MONEY.
    Your board should be jailed.
    Your company nationalized.
    Your ashes scattered to the wind.

  37. This is just Intel's marketing department by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    trying to push back at PCs becoming irrelevant for content consumption and even for some forms of creation. It's to be expected. Nothing to see here, move along.

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    1. Re:This is just Intel's marketing department by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > PCs becoming irrelevant for content consumption

      Are you really trying to convince us that a fiddly little phone screen is as convenient and good as a big HD monitor, mouse and fullsize keyboard?

  38. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

    And what if most of the public don't use high end gaming systems? Why would they need more pci-e lanes? AMD and Intel both have to sell the the general public more than the high end gamer.

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  39. PC've always been that for me via freeware... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: My latest - APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux is gonna BLOW YOU AWAY how fast/efficient it is!

    I'd dragrace ANY competitor (they don't do as effective of a job in cleaning hosts of unneeded bulk OR potentially bad entries in invalid tld/gtld OR false positives (which you can edit to add/remove) OR your fav. sites @ TOP of hosts so they resolve faster vs. remote DNS (full of security issues & this protects you there too AVOIDING DNS))!

    Even vs. non-gui "shellscripts" ones!

    Yes, I'm THAT confident in how FAST & EFFICIENT it is!

    APK

    P.S.=> Link's going up @ Malwarebytes' hpHosts (owner had a stroke - good man, he didn't deserve it) & we spoke by email & then I'm also porting it to BSD & MacOS X & redoing the Windows model to THIS faster + more efficient code too (10x as fast & twice as efficient easily)... apk

  40. Personal contribution platform? by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    I don't wanna contribute to fuck all. Keeping my egotistical Personal Computer, thank you.

  41. I want my PERSONAL computer to obey me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not some fucknigga bitch from Intel.

    I want Intel to get raped more than just 'Up the Ass', since we're sharing our deeply incompatible desires.

  42. Spystation Home Edition by Zorro · · Score: 1

    You PC knows what you did last night.

    Pay $20 in the next 12 Hours to prevent us from telling your employer and friends.

    Your "friends" at Intel, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon corporation.

  43. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by ebyrob · · Score: 1

    The "general public" can use high end 486 chips or Atom processors. They'll never notice the difference.

  44. Totally missed what I want by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    The reason the cloud has been able to take over is because the PC stopped developing technologies that serve the user and require more real-time bandwidth than is available on a home internet connection.

    I want two big things to happen in PC development.

    First, bring the peripherals into this century. Free it from fixed displays and support mixed voice, gesture and keyboard input in everything. Most importantly, I want wireless A/R based displays that allow me to see many virtual displays, sheets of paper, talking avatars, or whatever I want to use to represent data naturally appearing in the environment around me. Blow up the limited "desktop" metaphor and expand it to my whole world. I want to be able to create display walls like those that would be in an advanced military command center and have everything updating in real time.

    Second, give it native AI capabilities that can operate at the level of Deepmind's best and be trained at home. This undoubtedly means giving it a separate AI processor that is not just a tweaked GPU and probably operates in the analog domain to pack the power of hundreds of Google TPUs into a single chip. It should be able to play games, screen callers not on my contact list, screen people at the door (announcing them and letting them in if necessary), continuously monitor news for my interests, help me to automate my stock trading activities, help me to write my software, monitor the baby room, monitor my vitals and adjust the environment for my comfort at all times, order my groceries, suggest meals based on its knowledge of what I like and my mood, and many other things in a 24x7 simultaneous fashion.

    1. Re:Totally missed what I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rhett, that last paragraph reads like a window into our near-future consumer dystopia. What will happen is much worse. It will have all the elements you listed, but mixed in all the ways that nobody wants. Like have aggregating your little trades and feeding them to hedge fund supercomputers so they can do quantum arbitrage. And the military command center will be monitoring your baby room, with its native AI capabilities. Checking to see if your child's development indicates any predisposition toward insurgent, or rebellious thoughts.

      hth

    2. Re:Totally missed what I want by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agree that your scenario is most likely. I just haven't given up hope that tech can be a force that enables and frees us instead of one that enslaves us.

    3. Re:Totally missed what I want by mcswell · · Score: 1

      "be trained at home": afaik, all current AI systems require huge amounts of training data to do anything useful, regardless of what hardware you throw at them. Assuming I'm correct (and if I'm not, doubtless some friendly /.er will let me know), it's anybody's guess what is needed to change this state of the art. My bet is on innate knowledge.

    4. Re:Totally missed what I want by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      The leading edge is moving away from this. Training is perhaps the hottest area of AI research. I just read an article about one that could learn to play a game by watching videos of the games being played. There are robotics systems that can train from having an action demonstrated. And there is research into methods of training that reduce the dataset sizes that has produced better networks.

      I don't think you're entirely off on "innate knowledge". I think the training will become easier as we move away from the idea of training stand-alone networks to perform well-defined tasks, start connecting many trained networks together, and then train the whole in new skills. The system must build on knowledge, not relearn everything every time. Networks need to be highly interconnected "subroutines" though that is a limiting analogy because they must self-activate when needed as opposed to being invoked.

  45. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

    AMD has more on both and on there high end gaming / workstations chips all cpus have the same number of lanes. Unlike the intel ones where min cpu cost is $1000 just to get the same number lanes that can $350-$500 chip used to have.

    AMD also has ECC. Intel would rather play games and intentionally withhold it to upsell Xeon.

  46. Hey Intel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Intel. I don't want your mitts all over my PC. I want it to do what *I* want, when *I* want it done. I want it secure, fast, and I don't need your "extra enhanced bullshit (tm)" on it. If you lock me out of it, I will surely find another chipmaker. If I can't load the OS that I need, then you won't see my money (ever again!)! If you hard wire me to the internet where it can't be secured, again, I'm gone. If you (one more time) sacrifice security for speed, I will be gone. Here is a thought: instead of trying to be the total AI for all things to everyone, try doing what you should be doing properly *first*. If I want to do AI, then *I* will install Prolog and Lisp. I don't need your meddling. If I want to do advanced satellite imaging, then *I* will compile the software defined radio software, add the radio hardware, build the antenna, and then write the deconvolution software, make it multithreaded, and work with either cuda or openMP to make better use of GPU's (some of these things are already underway). I don't really want to have Full Unloading Complete Kernel With Indexed Trampolines (go ahead, you can abbreviate that), to solve a "Trust us, it's secure(tm)" massive security hole, and suffer at least a 1.5% total performance penalty. (Hey, If Apple can slow down their phones, then surely Intel can slow down PCs). Thanks again.

  47. Shuck what INTEL wants... by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    I need threaded comms, interprocess comm and seamless mesh nets. I have work to do, shit ton of devices that steal productive time away with too weak bridges that have to be reconnected to Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi and NAT. Keep the 27" desktop screen and lose the cords. Keep the modular boxen paradigm. I don't care what happens on the portable side.

    Take you GHz elsewhere. I need extra boards++, DAC's, encryption and graphics for the future-proof work ahead. I'm plenty productive. Seventy percent of my time is formatting for the other Intel boxen for whom there exists legacy programs and need to be compatible on some 3rd standard.

  48. I get it, no need to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get what Intel is saying, loud and clear.

    No need to upgrade my PC, just shove all the RAM it can take, a good SSD, and I will be good. I've got more than enough cores, more than enough RAM, and no spyware, crapware, trialware, shovelware, etc.

    It runs Windows in a VM, where it can't do any harm, and Windows has no access to anything it doesn't need.

    My "On the Go" Desktop is a compute stick, running Linux, but this is now leaning towards an HardKernel XU4 running same.

    I totally get that Intel, MSFT, et al have a new business model based on harvesting all my data, and charging me for "cpu use" of my own cpu, by means of harvesting my data, all the while I pay for the bandwidth and the electricity,and the license cost.

    I now just "evaluate" Windows, on a 30 day term, each day. And on each day, it turns out that Windows is not sufficient for my needs.

  49. Just PR from a battered company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds more like PR coming from a battered company reeling from MeltDown/Spectre mess.

  50. "PCs aren't personal Contribution Platforms." by hduff · · Score: 1

    "But . . . what if they were?"

    Marketing committee discussion, probably.

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  51. Ah, Intel by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    That's the marketing speak for, "Let's divert our customers and shareholders attention from the fact that our 10nm rollout is now three years late and still incomplete and the fact that we haven't updated our uArch in years (the last one was Skylake in ... 2015) and AMD is closely trailing us in the IPC metric (which is considered the cornerstone of CPU performance) and with the advent of 7nm process from the competing fabs is around the corner and AMD has all the chances to make us irrelevant".

    Oh, Qualcomm is about to introduce SnapDragon 1000 which is going to directly compete with Intel's ultra low-power/low-voltage CPUs.

    Intel has just found itself irrelevant because having been a monopoly for so long has eaten the company from the inside.

    Oh, and it's the middle of 2018 and we have yet to see their CPUs which have Meltdown (and Spectre to some extend) fixed in hardware. A bloody 12 months later year after the issue was reported to them. Instead Intel is about to rollout an anniversary 8086 CPU, which is the same old Coffee Lake (8700K) with a 5GHz turbo boost. WTF, Intel?!

  52. Intel maybe worse than AMD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does i have to pay this word "contribution"?

  53. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    The "general public" is to whom Intel wants to sell things, because there's a thousand of them for every gamer who knows what a PCIe lane is.

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  54. Re:Still waiting on the phone "dock" to be ubiquit by atrimtab · · Score: 1

    Seems to make the most sense to me: phone + high-quality KVM experience = what 99% of the population wants.

    This *almost* exists now just leave a bluetooth mouse/keyboard and Chromecast with hdmi monitor where ever you want to use your phone "full screen." It's the Apps and GUI that aren't there.

    It certainly makes sense to just use your phone. But the platforms that be (iOS and Android) have not evolved there yet.

    A phone with a SnapDragon 845, 8G RAM and 128GB of storage certainly has the necessary horsepower.

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  55. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    AMD also has ECC.

    Which is of interest to whom? No seriously unless your bank is verifying your house purchase transaction using a Core i5, what benefit is there in ECC RAM for an average user, I mean other than having lighter wallets and less performance?

  56. Personal Computer using Wintel? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    "I think that would be a good idea", to paraphrase Gandhi.

    Since I moved to Linux about 19 years ago, I used to wonder about the term "personal computer", and how "PC == Wintel" to many people. Looking at all of those identical Windows appliances vs. all the fun and interesting setups of Linux enthusiasts. Linux machines ranging from supercomputing clusters to wristwatches around the turn of the millennium. What exactly did the Wintel people mean by "personal"? Something familiar to the average person, or something you personalize to fit your needs and work for you?

    Incidentally, today I used and installed Android for the first time. I've been sharing pictures on Instagram using the web extension, but I wanted to set some options that would only be available via the "app" (as if the browser were not an application, vs. the OS), so I tried android-x86. (Why I don't have a phone that runs those things is another topic, but I'm sure many a /.er will resonate.) The question is, why does one need different machines (virtual or actual) for content production and management/consumption? It is yet another frustrating example of the user-developer separation. I guess the real reasons involve something like ad revenue.

    The Android experience was refreshing because I keep hearing about "smart"phones as the great consumer control and tracking platform, but it didn't seem realistic until I had a go. Or as mentioned on Wikipedia about its origins: 'Rubin described the Android project as "tremendous potential in developing smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences"'.

    I'm not sure Intel is in the position to make the computer great.. erm, personal again -- something I can fully customize and control, and that runs all things computable. But it sure would be a good idea.

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  57. Mindless jerks who were first against the wall by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun to Be With!

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  58. Hey Intel by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    How about not cheating to make your processors seem more powerful first?

    Otherwise, and most seriously, with me having a laptop that's only running a fraction of it's prior speed, and still not safe form Spectre or meltdown, please go do go fuck yourselves, you pieces of moldy shit.

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  59. Social Contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have a social contract, give us what we want, we give you money.

    Instead we got stuff like IE so we switched to chrome/mozilla, we got windows with ads and telemetry so we switched to linux, we got Oracle arrogance so we switched to mongodb. We just keep jumping away like a fish hitting a patch of cold water whenever they try something we collectively agree is not in our best interests. We evolve and attempt something different.

    If they flub this, the real people who will be feeling it are Intel themselves as ARM has shown itself very competent (I write this on a raspberry pi) and AMD is certainly no slouch and has demonstrated a competitive attitude that I find healthy in the market, though I do wish the list of possibilities was longer.

  60. Intel and the personal contribution platform... by najajomo · · Score: 1

    I don't think Intel is going to be allowed to interject themselves into the customer boot experience :]

    '* NC & Java are platform challenges: - possible emergence of a set of API's and underlying system software that lead to lesser or no role for Windows' ref

    "it would be crazy to Intel define this .. the only urgent issue I can think of is defining how it boots, if we let Intel do this in a proprietary way we're screwed." ref

    'No NC mention in any specification .. Pat agreed to remove the words "Network Computer" from the spec' ref

  61. Intel killing ability to choose best in breed :] by najajomo · · Score: 1

    @Anonymous Coward: "That's part of the issue - they don't want to be just the CPU maker. They want to control and possibly integrate on the chip network, video and higher level components under their control. Effectively killing the ability to choose best in breed or external but upgradable network and video and more."

    Is that you billg ;] ..

    "We have to make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities" billg

    "I have a critical meeting with Intel a week from Wednesday. I want to convince them that they need to stay away from Oracle NCs and work more closely with Microsoft." billg

    .. "our plans continue to underestimate the importance of an OPEN unified approach for the internet. The demo I saw today when Windows 95 was showing its Internet capability was someone calling up the Fedex page on the internet and typing in a package number and getting the status. Imagine how much work it would have been for Fedex to call us up and get that running on MSN and negociate with us. Instead they just set it up. A very simple way to reach out to their customers." billg

  62. More than a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More than a "personal" computer, ie : a shared computer. Your resources will be shared. Your data will be shared. Your preferences, likes/dislikes and "personal" information will be shared. It's not "your computer", it's a "shared computer". a shared computer that you pay for, but have little to no control over.

  63. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Which is of interest to whom? No seriously unless your bank is verifying your house purchase transaction using a Core i5, what benefit is there in ECC RAM for an average user, I mean other than having lighter wallets and less performance?

    That is the most ignorant statement you could have ever made on Slashdot regarding the topic of computing. The entire point of a computer isn't just to calculate data efficiently, but to do so RELIABLY!

    Much system instability, downtime, and data-loss can be attributed to random bit-flips. It's so bad, that Google was involved in a study regarding DRAM errors.

    We find that DRAM error behavior in the field differs in many key aspects from commonly held assumptions. For example, we observe DRAM error rates that are orders of magnitude higher than previously reported, with 25,000 to 70,000 errors per billion device hours per Mbit and more than 8\% of DIMMs affected by errors per year. We provide strong evidence that memory errors are dominated by hard errors, rather than soft errors, which previous work suspects to be the dominant error mode. We find that temperature, known to strongly impact DIMM error rates in lab conditions, has a surprisingly small effect on error behavior in the field, when taking all other factors into account.

    And that study was 9 years ago. Since then, speed has increased with transistors shrinking, which makes them more susceptible to cosmic rays striking the small gates on the die like a stray bullet!

    I really wish ECC was mandatory for the entire industry. Performance be damned! You want performance, ok, fine, disable ECC if you want. But that's on you. Honestly, ECC usage should be the norm, not the exception.

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  64. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure the public will notice 486 machines vs Kaby Lake more than Kaby Lake with 4 lanes or 2 lanes.

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  65. How could Intel do anything about this? by Darkness+Of+Course · · Score: 1

    I get the message. But the messenger is wrong. Intel knows squat about software, integration, UI, user satisfaction, learning, and pretty much anything that isn't *melting sand*.

    Android and iOS are both accessable. Easy to dev for, if you're a programmer, which might be the issue for anyone working at Intel Sand R Us labs. Buy an unlocked phone, have your older phone unlocked, get a dev environment, knock yourself out. Show it to your friends, if they laugh good, if they want it better. But nobody needs Intel to barf out something as bad as UEFI is again.

    Considering their current "use three die" and culling out the results into fifty bins, one might suggest they aren't all that good at melting sand anymore. Was a time when they would actually tweak the die to get better yields. Those days and the engineers that could do that are gone. Intel missed the phone market - by miles.

  66. Re:PC've always been that for me via freeware... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...crickets...

  67. Wow... by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

    It's fucking nothing. How is the PC not a "personal contribution platform"?

  68. Computers in More Than Oriental Spleandor by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    MORE THAN PERSONAL COMPUTERS
    Computers for Industry!
    Computers for the dead!

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  69. How About Fixing Meltdown and Spectre First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Intel, in case you've forgotten, your processors still have fundamental design flaws that create security holes so large that hackers are driving trucks through them. How about fixing predictive branching at the hardware level so that it's secure before embarking on bullshit features? This a serious problem, it's not a joke. Making sure that your next generation chip designs are secure ought to be the top priority, not new gee-whiz features.

  70. Re:We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and hig by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    It's so bad, that

    Ahh but is it. For all the theoretical work that has been done on the topic the impact has been what in real terms of reliability? Where are the buildings falling down, the money disappearing from accounts? Where's the physics simulations gone wrong, or the random data corruption? Where are the reliability problems when serving up content? Where are the lockups and crashes of our devices? Where is the detrimental impact to our communication?

    You see, it's so bad that companies who handle truly critical data did a bit of a study and implemented ECC while the entire world itself effectively experiences zero reliability issues.

    You want to spend the extra money, go for it, but the reality is our computers are plenty reliable for even very critical tasks (workstations, rather than consumers) without ECC memory, and we have a good 28 years of experience proving that there's no reason at all to roll out ECC as the norm.

    You claim my statement is ignorant, all the while ignoring the fact that it's not likelihood that governs our lives. It's risk. And risk is likelihood combined with the consequence, which for the personal computer is so close to insignificant that it... well it's insignificant. The same can not be said for a datacentre processing bank transactions, or Google being paid a fortune to look after critical data for other companies.

  71. Re:Still waiting on the phone "dock" to be ubiquit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for the chromecast part. It needs an internet connection to send your info back to the google mothership. It’s a great concept though.

    I remember traveling once and did not want to bring two laptops, so I borrowed a chromecast. Once in my hotel room I tried setting it up and was like WTF. Accounts needing a connection to the internet? To stream from my phone?

    The next trip I brought a travel router and set up chromecast, but the whole thing sort of pissed me off. I ended up getting a generic streamcast dongle which, while not as robust, does not phone home.

  72. Agreed: Nobody dares take my challenge... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed: Nobody dares take my challenge - "... & silence reigned in heaven for about the space of an hour" - why? No matter how fast you run others' code in scriptkiddie scripts you didn't write yourself they won't be faster in consolidating blocking data + I'll totally DESTROY any native ping executable on favorite sites resolution by 10x over easily (no way to make that up EVEN IF you do it & most scriptkiddie scripts don't NOR do they validate if TLD/gTLD line endings are valid (i.e. - they don't even DO as much & are slower + less competent).

    * :)

    (Plus, I'd even take on a native executable done in tty term/DOS window code, even though GUI has more overheads - again - yes, I'm THAT CONFIDENT in the speed & accuracy of my work...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Yes, folks - it's "good to be king" & the ONLY GUI APP I've ever seen for Linux for hosts processing (soon only one for BSD too)... apk

  73. So... PCP is the future? by szo · · Score: 1

    Well done research on the acronym

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