Chan Zuckerberg Initiative Claims It Has Enabled Its Partners To 'Double the Number of Black and Latinx Students and Girls Taking AP Computer Science' (chanzuckerberg.com)

theodp writes: In a Monday blog post, the outgoing Head of Education for Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's Chan Zuckerberg Initiative made the claim that "we've made investments that enabled our partners to double the number of Black and Latinx students and girls taking AP Computer Science." The claim is an apparent reference to the highly-promoted and wildly-successful new AP Computer Science Principles course (dubbed "Coding Lite" by the NY Times), which the NSF and College Board began development on in 2009. Zuckerberg's CZI LLC was created in late 2015.

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how many in total?

[ole_timer]

from 2 to 4?

Re:how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

from 2 to 4?

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Re:how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean from 0010 to 0100

Re:how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly, twice a very small number is still a very small number. This statistic is more an artifact of the very small number of students in this demographic at the start than the result of money being spent. Solving this problem means shifting a culture of exclusion and that is not going to happen overnight.

Re:how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Solving this problem means shifting a culture of exclusion and that is not going to happen overnight.

A "culture of exclusion"??

I was teased mercilessly for reading on advanced programming while riding into school on the bus, because there was damned little to do anyhow. Now I'm an electrical and computer engineer in Silicon Valley and I'm a white, heterosexual, male. "Culture of exclusion" my asshole.

You have enough interest in a technical area to spend the time to do the work to actually understand a subject, and ignore what anybody thinks about your study? Great, you'll do well in high tech. You are "person of color" (colored person is apparently racist, because SJW's can't pass grammar classes), or female - don't go into a STEM field just because some twat thinks it is good for the collective. You better DAMNED WELL have enough interest in the field, because once you commit to it, you're doing it for 40 YEARS, minimum.

And what absolute BULLSHIT - how do you figure it's a "problem" that needs to be "fixed"? You want to know what problem women and some minorities ACTUALLY face in high tech? Some giant corporation needs to hire a "protected group", so they just hire anybody within that group. I see this ALL THE TIME.

Re:how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Some giant corporation needs to hire a "protected group", so they just hire anybody within that group. I see this ALL THE TIME.

As a white heterosexual male I find myself discriminated against all the time because of "equal opportunity employment" and "affirmative action". What an interesting pairing that is, "equal opportunity employment" and "affirmative action". Which is it? Do you hire based on equal opportunity regardless of race and gender or do you take an affirmative action to hire those of a minority? These people doing the hiring are so fucked up in the head they don't even realize the incompatibility of the two.

Being a Christian is also not gaining me any favoritism in getting hired. If you can say you are a Muslim, Jew, or some religion that people only hear about when watching PBS, then you go to the front of the line.

I heard someone say that people cannot mock those that rule over them. Sounds about right. If you mock the king, or "Dear Leader", then you might find yourself dragged off and beaten to death.

Why mention the failure to mock the king? What happens in America if someone were to say Islam is the religion of murder and suicide? That Mohammed was a rapist, child fucker, and shit eater? If I was to say that at work then I might find myself not working any more. If I was to post that on Slashdot then I might find myself moderated down to negative infinity.

What if I was to say Christians are killers of brown people all over the world? What if I was to call Jesus an insane lunatic with delusions of being a god, a homosexual carpenter that liked to carve out dildos and fuck fisherman, and a criminal that deserved to hang from a cross? Well, I might get some funny looks or maybe some agreement from the crowd.

I'm looking for work right now and I'm not all that hopeful of finding work just too quickly. I'm a disabled veteran and so I'll check that "disabled" box on the form as that might get me, someone with a degree in computer engineering, on equal footing with the Hispanic lesbian atheist that managed to pass high school but failed the drug test because of smoking marijuana last night. Marijuana isn't REALLY illegal any more, right?

I'm not sure if I should check the "veteran" box though. It might get be preferential treatment or the HR people might think I'm some kind of baby killer with PTSD and might shoot up the place because the printer is flashing "PC LOAD LETTER" on the display.

The corollary to mocking the king being a death sentence is that the serfs can be mocked openly. On the SJW hierarchy of the oppressed the white heterosexual Christian male is below the bottom. I'm not dirt, I'm below dirt. I may as well be just a potato, or a worm.

Why even have people submit resumes or applications? Or even have elections? Let's just find a transgender Muslim brown skinned person with club feet and a speech impediment and declare her... him?... ruler of the world.

Re: how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

So basically you can't compete and is simply blaming affirmative action.

Come on dude.... maybe you should think about actually improving yourself.

Sheesh...

Re: how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow..... you are fucked up..... maybe it's that attitude more than anything....

Re: how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

I like the new sexist term Latinx

Re: how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Heh. You do realize that affirmative action prevents meaningful competition, right?

Re: how many in total?

[Anonymous Coward]

Doubled access? They watered down the AP CS Exam to nothing. Software has been going backwards the past 10 years. It is only going to worse.

Who knew?

[cre1mer]

Latinx is a real word.

The term is a political neologism that has gained traction among advocacy groups combining racial and gender identity politics.

Re:Who knew?

[avandesande]

Actually it's a new flavor of Linux documented in Latin, why would you think they would post gender/identity BS on this site?

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Latinx is a real word.

The term is a political neologism that has gained traction among advocacy groups combining racial and gender identity politics.

In other words, its a xenaphobic term, trying to suggest that gendered languages are inferior to the true Americanish with it's pure gender neutrality. These people are sick.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Bingo!

Europeans are far less concerned with political correctness when it comes to language. They want to look the part. In German the word for girl, das Mädchen, is neutral... meaning girls are literally an "it," while boys, der Junge, are masculine "him." What a world... the PC crowd would have a lot of work reforming German... don't get me started with French!

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

Bad example. German is completely bonkers with its articles. The table is male, the milk is female, so "The girl puts the milk on the table" is literally "it puts her on him" in German.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually it's a new flavor of Linux documented in Latin

What's the distro called? EtTuLinux.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

German is completely bonkers with its articles.

A finer critique

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

"it puts her on him" in German.

What is the cowgirl position?

Re:Who knew?

[DaHat]

Is it trying to suggest that gendered languages are inferior... or trying to use a shorter and less confusing term than the fairly common 'latino/a' label? Or do you prefer the more verbose "latino/latina" or "latino & latina". God help you if you are ever participant as to which order they should be in.

Re:Who knew?

[Hognoxious]

xenaphobic

It's frightened of a fairly meaty woman in a leather dress who chucks a razor-sharp frisbee around?

I forget who said it (probably Ben Franklin back when usenet was a thing), but you should never use a word in writing that you've only heard in speech.

Re:Who knew?

[pezezin]

I have lived all my life in Spain, so obviously Spanish is my mother language, and I'm seriously tired of all the idiots who try to promote this supposedly "gender neutral" language, ending words in -@, -x or -os/as. The first two are unpronunceable, the last one is way too cumbersome. I wish they would stop butchering our language.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Latinx is a real word.

I can guarantee that M'Smash did not know this, but he is now breathing a sigh of relief that his typo caused so much "discussion".

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

I honestly thought latino was an all-encompassing term. I had no idea that latina was even a word.

God help you if you are ever participant as to which order they should be in.

I would say that one should always list terms alphabetically in order to avoid claims of being biased.

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

Bingo!

Europeans are far less concerned with political correctness when it comes to language. They want to look the part. In German the word for girl, das Mädchen, is neutral... meaning girls are literally an "it," while boys, der Junge, are masculine "him." What a world... the PC crowd would have a lot of work reforming German... don't get me started with French!

That's because it ends in "-chen" a diminutive. Gender in German on a compound word is always based on the last part of the compound rule. A diminutive of anything is a "das".

If you referred to a boy as a Jungchen it would ALSO be neuter. Das Jungchen.

Re:Who knew?

[fuzznutz]

I have lived all my life in Spain, so obviously Spanish is my mother language, and I'm seriously tired of all the idiots who try to promote this supposedly "gender neutral" language, ending words in -@, -x or -os/as. The first two are unpronunceable, the last one is way too cumbersome. I wish they would stop butchering our language.

If you can convince media personalities in the US from breaking into hyper exaggerated, ultra accented Spanish pronunciation of Spanish names while reporting otherwise in an American accent, we have a deal.

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

Bad example. German is completely bonkers with its articles. The table is male, the milk is female, so "The girl puts the milk on the table" is literally "it puts her on him" in German.

English is the odd one out here. Almost all the languages in the world have gender nouns. Yes, there are exceptions, English, Hungarian, (I think) Japanese etc..

It's not necessarily the genders that makes German a pain to learn- it's the grammar associated with those genders in each of German's many cases.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Retard is also a real word. Anyone who actually uses Latinx unironically is a retard.

Re:Who knew?

[Octorian]

English is the odd one out here. Almost all the languages in the world have gender nouns.

This is why I get pissed when I see people ranting and raving against what few gendered terms might exist in English discourse. They should be lucky to speak a language that actually has gender-neutral nouns and pronouns.

Just imagine if these people learned about other languages.

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

That's because it ends in "-chen" a diminutive. Gender in German on a compound word is always based on the last part of the compound rule. A diminutive of anything is a "das".

If you referred to a boy as a Jungchen it would ALSO be neuter. Das Jungchen.

Just to follow up if anyone is curious: Mädchen is formed by joining Magd (Maid, a feminine noun) with "chen" (a generic diminutive ending that is neuter).

And you can join Junge (boy masculine) with chen (neuter) to form the word Jungchen which is neuter in exactly the same way that Mädchen is.

So... no sexism here.

Re:Who knew?

[Cro Magnon]

I have trouble with the concept. I know most European languages have it, but it seems strange assigning gender to inanimate objects.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

The rule in those language is that when talking about both genders you use the male term. So yes, latino is all-encompassing.
Some idiots don't like it because they want you to explicitly spell out every single gender and don't like it when the male word is also the gender neutral word.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you have an ascending or descending bias?

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

I have trouble with the concept. I know most European languages have it, but it seems strange assigning gender to inanimate objects.

I agree... What is amazing is how the concept is so global. Europe- Asia- Africa... gender is in language everywhere. It would be one thing if it was just one language family- you'd think it's just a quirk of that language, but it's everywhere.

  It probably says something about the human brain... I'm not sure what- but probably says something.

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

I have lived all my life in Spain, so obviously Spanish is my mother language, and I'm seriously tired of all the idiots who try to promote this supposedly "gender neutral" language, ending words in -@, -x or -os/as. The first two are unpronunceable, the last one is way too cumbersome. I wish they would stop butchering our language.

It's funny how many things are considered offensive "on behalf of another group of people" when that group of people weren't offended in the first place.

Re:Who knew?

[Hognoxious]

That's not confined to the US and it's nothing new. I remember comedians in the UK taking the piss out of newsreaders back in the 80s.

I think Jan Leeming was the main target. Robert MOOgahBAY and former guayREEEEEEEyas or something.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

I have lived all my life in Spain, so obviously Spanish is my mother language, and I'm seriously tired of all the idiots who try to promote this supposedly "gender neutral" language, ending words in -@, -x or -os/as. The first two are unpronunceable, the last one is way too cumbersome. I wish they would stop butchering our language.

If you can convince media personalities in the US from breaking into hyper exaggerated, ultra accented Spanish pronunciation of Spanish names while reporting otherwise in an American accent, we have a deal.

OMFG yes! It is just as annoying as hearing stupid white hicks pronounce words like grande as "grandy"

Re:Who knew?

[Hognoxious]

I honestly thought latino was an all-encompassing term. I had no idea that latina was even a word.

You should be careful searching for, umm, entertainment on the intarwebs, then.

You might get more (or less) than you bargained for.

Re:Who knew?

[Hognoxious]

No matter how many times you stab systemd it just respawns.

Re:Who knew?

[AmiMoJo]

Not in Chinese though, the most popular first language on earth. Or Japanese for that matter.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Re:Who knew?

[No Longer an AC]

Is the Royal Spanish Academy powerless to stop this?

Re:Who knew?

[balbeir]

Is the Royal Spanish Academy powerless to stop this?

The Spanish Inquisition would make quick work of it

Re:Who knew?

[ailnlv]

They have explicitly come out against it, but apparently quite a few people aren't listening.

Re:Who knew?

[JaredOfEuropa]

-@, what the hell? May I suggest you pronounce that by trying to imitate the sound of an exited chicken.

Re:Who knew?

[Miamicanes]

So... being pedantic for a moment... what's the proposed plural of "Latinx"?

* Latinxen?

* Latinxi?

* Latinxes?

Latinxi sounds vaguely sophisticated... but also sounds kind of insultingly clinical.

Latinxes is probably the most consistent with American English usage (think, "viri-vs-viruses"), but just looks kind of... ugly. It makes me intuitively want to pronounce it as "la-tin-EX-es", even though I know I'd eventually lean towards "la-TIN-zees".

Latinxes and Latinxen are both problematic in another way... Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and others from the area generally east of the Andes would probably argue that they should be spelled "Latinjes" or "Latinjen".

That said, if I had to pick one, I'd say "Latinxen" is probably the least-objectionable.

Re:Who knew?

[Gravis Zero]

Latinx is a real word.

No, not really. Anything you use is technically a "real word" but this one has yet to be added to any serious dictionary.

Re:Who knew?

[TeknoHog]

This is why I get pissed when I see people ranting and raving against what few gendered terms might exist in English discourse. They should be lucky to speak a language that actually has gender-neutral nouns and pronouns.

I must be super lucky for speaking a language where all pronouns are gender-neutral, including the equivalent of "he" or "she". Finnish has only one "hän" that applies to any gender.

(From this perspective, it's interesting how "he" and "she" are also used as kind of nouns "It's a she" or adjectives "He-man". These get silly when translated to Finnish word by word.)

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Right, because no one would see that coming.

Re: Who knew?

[Bing Tsher E]

I thought it was just a trademark, like the brand of womens' garments called Spanx.

And it is pronounced "la-tinks", correct?

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm a little bit surprised that there hasn't been a push for 'transitioning' gendered nouns (I mean..."das Mädchen"? Really?), if for no other reason than for trannies to flaunt their power over social discourse in yet another way.

I expect we'll get there soon enough when they run out of other shit to be outraged about.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

In other words, its a xenaphobic term, trying to suggest that gendered languages are inferior to the true Americanish with it's pure gender neutrality. These people are sick.

Shouldn't that be xenophobic? or are you just using some alternative gendered form of the word I've not encountered.

Maybe we should say "xenxphobic" to keep the snowflakes happy. Does anyone know how to pronounce "xenxphobic"? Should I just jump ahead and start speaking like a Gooback now?

Re:Who knew?

[rtb61]

How about the term is dropped in it's entirety, it is pretty derogatory, just dumping entirely different people into the same group, what does it even mean. It's like trying to fix wog, dago or spic, WTF?

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

That's not confined to the US and it's nothing new. I remember comedians in the UK taking the piss out of newsreaders back in the 80s.

I think Jan Leeming was the main target. Robert MOOgahBAY and former guayREEEEEEEyas or something.

It seems confined to Spanish here. I have never heard the same kind of over-pronunciation of French, German, or Italian names here.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

In other words, its a xenaphobic term

xenaphobic: fear of Xena, Warrior Princess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Re: Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because of course, the original word, âoeLatinoâ which encompassed both genders, canâ(TM)t be used.

Re: Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Only Indo-European languages (and not all, obviously) are gendered. The majority of the world speaks a non-gendered language. Youâ(TM)re making the European mistake of confusing Western Europe with the entire world.

Re:Who knew?

[AmiMoJo]

Is it offensive or just shorthand to avoid having to say/write "Lanina/Lantino" every single time?

What is the word for someone who sees offence everywhere? Not themselves offended as such, just assuming everyone else is motivated by offence.

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

Being a SJW in Finland must suck, you can't try to invent a new gender neutral language because it's already there...

Re:Who knew?

[ruddk]

It would have been easier just to omit the x.

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

Germans are pragmatic. Instead of trying to change the language and pretend they change the condition, they'd rather just change the condition. I.e. instead of creating gendered language and making certain "hurtful" words a nono, they simply made gay marriage and third genders a legal fact.

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

This is maybe the reason why there is way less talk about a "gendered" language around these parts. Grammatical gender has way less connection to sexual gender. in those languages.

Re: Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Germans have a love for correctness over other considerations.
Oh also, "stallion" is feminine.

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

Making a language the "most popular" one because it out-bred everyone isn't saying much. Languages have a history and make a development, even an evolution if you so will, they have roots and they split up and form family trees. English is part of the Germanic language family, along with Swedish, Danish, German, Dutch and a few others. Originally they all had three grammatical genders, but some had rather interesting changes during time. Swedish for example merged male and female genders.

I wonder if anyone ever made a study about the grammatical genders used in a language and the social situation in societies using those languages.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Correlation != causation, and grammatical genders are something different from biological sex (or gender identity or whatever - sorry, not being English-speaking or liberal still gets me confused about the acceptable terminology of the day).

Re:Who knew?

[dcw3]

Actually, both das and die are correct for madchen. The difference is singular vs. plural.

Re:Who knew?

[tehcyder]

I had no idea that latina was even a word.

Someone's not been looking at the various categories on their favourite porn site have they?

Re:Who knew?

[tehcyder]

How about the term is dropped in it's entirety, it is pretty derogatory, just dumping entirely different people into the same group, what does it even mean. It's like trying to fix wog, dago or spic, WTF?

I think the rule is that if a group chooses to apply a term to itself, it's not derogatory.

Re: Who knew?

[hoover]

No idea if you're on about German, but in German "the stallion" == "der Hengst", which is as male as it gets (unless you're talking about a different meaning of "stallion" that evades me).

Greek is also quite interesting in this regard, both "the boy" ("to agori") and "the girl" ("to koritsi") are neutral gender ("to") in this language.

All the best, Uwe

Re:Who knew?

[sabbede]

I'm going to go ahead and call BS on political neologisms. Latino is the correct collective noun. Inventing a new, nigh unpronounceable, word to be politically correct is... No. Just no.

Re:Who knew?

[sabbede]

My favorite is that the word for 'skirt' is masculine. "Der Rock."

Re:Who knew?

[sabbede]

Well, "Latino" is the short way to say "Latina/Latino", so I guess it's imagined offence. I think they call that sort of imagined offence by-proxy "microaggression", so maybe we call them "microaggressors"? Or , "microbrained" for short.

Re: Who knew?

[reanjr]

SJW?

Re:Who knew?

[thegarbz]

Ben Franklin didn't have a spell chequer.
 

Re:Who knew?

[mjwx]

Is it offensive or just shorthand to avoid having to say/write "Lanina/Lantino" every single time?

What is the word for someone who sees offence everywhere? Not themselves offended as such, just assuming everyone else is motivated by offence.

The solution already exists in Spanish. Use the masculine pronoun for a mixed gender or gender non specific, Latinos would be correct in Spanish. In English you could also use Latin or Latin people as gender non-specific.

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

Bad example. German is completely bonkers with its articles. The table is male, the milk is female, so "The girl puts the milk on the table" is literally "it puts her on him" in German.

What would be much different for Spanish then where both table and milk are female. So would it be "her on her" (La nina pone la leche en la mesa)???

Re:Who knew?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's "gender," not sex. It's just a grammatical term that happens to correspond to sex in some real-life cases. Linguists are generally emphatic that gender is a linguistic term and should not be used in a discussion of sexuality.

Re:Who knew?

[rojash]

Wow...and to think I took Deutsch in Kollege coz I assumed there were no genders for nouns like other stupid and romantic languages!

Re:Who knew?

[Hognoxious]

Almost all the languages in the world have gender nouns.

You speak all 6,000 of them?

Re:Who knew?

[SharpFang]

Until they change their mind, e.g. Martin Luther King's "Negro".

Re:Who knew?

[SharpFang]

Obviously not enough of them are women, and being Latinos is insufficient to get enough traction.

Re:Who knew?

[SharpFang]

Primarily, no matter how many dictionaries managed by non-mandated bodies it's added to, it's an incorrect word, until the Royal Spanish Academy decides otherwise.

Spanish is a prescriptive language, meaning a word is not officially a part of that language until the official regulatory body responsible for accepting or rejecting modifications of language approves it. You can't willy-nilly change it, like you can do with English, a descriptive language, just by coining a new word or a new grammar rule and getting some people to use it. And the current stance or Royal Spanish Academy is a simple "no".

In other words, unironically using "Latinx" is a plain, generic spelling error.

Re:Who knew?

[Opportunist]

That's ok. Pants are "die Hose" (singular female noun).

Re:Who knew?

[Oswald McWeany]

Almost all the languages in the world have gender nouns.

You speak all 6,000 of them?

No, but I have actually done research into this fairly recently.

Now the question is

[Anonymous Coward]

How many of these pass it?

RTFA? This is my first time first post, potentially, are you kidding me?

Re: Now the question is

[Bing Tsher E]

Is the course graded 'pass/fail' (to be fair, of course)?

So happy for this diversity

[ackkamoto]

Super exciting - now all these diverse Americans can get layed off due to H1B outsourcing and it won't be racist to complain about it anymore!!

Re:So happy for this diversity

[PopeRatzo]

Super exciting - now all these diverse Americans can get layed off due to H1B outsourcing and it won't be racist to complain about it anymore!!

My guess is you will find other ways to be racist. America is a nation of innovators, after all.

Re:So happy for this diversity

[Anonymous Coward]

I read that in my head as "diverse Americans can finally get laid..." alas.

Re:So happy for this diversity

[Opportunist]

No more inequality, all genders and races will be sacked equally.

Re:So happy for this diversity

[ackkamoto]

Nope innovation will be outlawed, only black and latinos will be able to innovate.

Re:So happy for this diversity

[Z80a]

They already did.
Say that black people are too dumb and need institutional help to get into jobs but blame it on some invisible monster and bob's your uncle! you get away scott free.
And the joke gets even better when you hire someone that is not qualified to the job and the race ends getting the blame.

Great

[DaFallus]

More piranhas in the tank to help drive down wages.

Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with people of any gender or cultural background learning about computer science, taking AP classes, or working in tech. However, given what we know about the tech industry and the love of low cost labor, what is the true motivation behind such an initiative?

Re:Great

[kaka.mala.vachva]

Or more people programming, bringing in different points of view. That should help software development - from functionality to work environment. As to true motivation - I'm a bit stumped on how to answer this. It sounds like what education is all about - teaching students new things, and trying to ignite a spark that helps them choose a career. When regular methods of teaching don't work for a significant set of students, something new is required.

Re:Great

[ShanghaiBill]

what is the true motivation behind such an initiative?

Life is not zero-sum. This can benefit both corporations and the students, and likely will.

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

No. It's a niche and will never appeal to most people.

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

The motivation is obvious, it's right in the name 'Chan Zuckerberg'. It's about greedy rich people virtue signalling.

A different skin color or certain set of genitalia does not qualify for a unique or valuable point of view.

Re:Great

[DaFallus]

You appear to be much more idealistic than I am.

Re:Great

[Hognoxious]

Or more people programming, bringing in different points of view.

Like what? That OOP is inherently unfair because it uses classes?

Re:Great

[iriecolorado]

Different points of view don't come from different skin color or genitals.

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

We can always just replace all the nonskilled White guys hired
ecause of their race eatingg up all the jobs.

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

Different points of view don't come from different skin color or genitals.

The diversity paradox. There is no mental difference between races. Stereotyping by race is always immoral, but we must hire different races to get different viewpoints.

Re:Great

[kaka.mala.vachva]

Different points of view come from different experiences - and different skin color definitely leads to different experiences, as does sex.

Re:Great

[jedidiah]

> Different points of view come from different experiences - and different skin color definitely leads to different experiences, as does sex.

It contributes far less than you think.

Re:Great

[Areyoukiddingme]

Like what? That OOP is inherently unfair because it uses classes?

Where's a mod point when you need one...

Re:Great

[serviscope_minor]

Citation needed

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

When will wiggers be fairly represented in these fields?

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

Wiggers are under represented in the STEM fields. I have never worked with one in my career yet I still remember them from my high school days. Where have they gone, they are the forgotten race who lead the most difficult of lives.

Re:Great

[AHuxley]

Re "... and the love of low cost labor"
To fill jobs that need skilled experts with workers based on demographics rather than merit.
That allows a skills shortage to become a legal reality.
People who cant study, who wont study, who need constant support in their new "tech" job.
The only fix for that is more low wage workers from outside the USA.
Bring in low wage workers from other nations to fill the need for experts.
Lowers wage costs for US brands.
A work force from outside the USA that has to keep working for a low wage or it will face the loss of its ability to stay in the USA.
The next stage will be posted workers in the USA. Working on their own nations wages in the USA for short term projects.

Re: Great

[c6gunner]

Different points of view come from different experiences - and different skin color definitely leads to different experiences, as does sex.

Which set has the greater diversity of experiences:

Three white guys, one an upper class graduate of an ivy league school, one from an impoverished family in the hills of Kentucky with a GED, and one a middle class immigrant from Poland who graduated from a technical school.

Or

A white guy, a black woman, and a "gender fluid" hispanic, all from middle class families, all graduates of MIT?

Re: Great

[Anonymous Coward]

It depends. What race does the upper class graduate of the Ivy League school identify as? Does the middle class immigrant from Poland want to pretend he's a woman?

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

Different points of view don't come from different skin color or genitals.

And yet some people are under the impression that having their penis hacked off by a surgeon gives them a whole new perspective on coding.

Re:Great

[Lennie]

It might be a niche, but you'd want everyone to find their niche. So a bit of promotion isn't wrong.

Re:Great

[thegarbz]

No they come from different experiences in life. Incidentally there's a big correlation between not being a white male and having a different experience in life from white males.

Re:Great

[Anonymous Coward]

Oooooh myyyyyyyyy.

Quite a LOT of different perspectives come from genitals!

Yay! Quotas!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Meanwhile, almost 2 out of 3 college students are female...

Re:Yay! Quotas!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

But don't you dare suggest that maybe the womens college fund has served its purpose and should be abolished.

That would be sexist.

Re:Yay! Quotas!!!

[magarity]

Meanwhile, almost 2 out of 3 college students are female...

But by the time they get to college they're "women". I think this initiative that's hired girls is some kind of scheme to pay peanuts for child labor.

Re:Yay! Quotas!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I assume you've heard about the MRS degree?

Re:Yay! Quotas!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

But don't you dare suggest that maybe the womens college fund has served its purpose and should be abolished.

Hmmmmmm, what about women's share of the student debt? The Amrerican Association of University Women says so already, demanding relief for those unfortunate women, most of whom racked up an average debt of $100k (of course conveniently forgetting to mention that not all degrees are the same and a degree in Women's Studies is not the same as a STEM degree). If you are pressed for time, start watching the following video @10:30. https://www.aauw.org/research/deeper-in-debt/

This is great

[Trailer Trash]

Next, let's work on getting more men into nursing and teaching. Diversity is always good, right?

Right?

Hello?

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

I'll take nursing. Working with computers sucks.

Re:This is great

[Opportunist]

Working with people ain't that much better. You know the old joke:

Person at 20: Oh, I want to work with people!
Person at 30: Ya know, rocks are pretty cool as well...

Re:This is great

[ole_timer]

person at 40: I've noticed most people are rocks...

Re:This is great

[slinches]

I know keyboards can be gross, but they are infinitely better than bed pans.

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

All the nurses I know are men (four of them).

Re:This is great

[Cro Magnon]

I'll take nursing. Working with computers sucks.

Computers are logical. People aren't, and I'm sure sick people are even worse.

Re:This is great

[tlhIngan]

Next, let's work on getting more men into nursing and teaching. Diversity is always good, right?

Right?

Hello?

You laugh, but there are programs doing just that actually. You're just not in the profession and thus don't really know about it. Most professions generally have programs to increase diversity.

There are definitely programs to get more male elementary teachers in (male teachers are generally teaching later years to college). And I believe there are programs to get more male nurses in as well.

It's not just diversity, or feel good, or SJW, it's for situations where a patient may not be comfortable with someone of the opposite sex examining them. This applies to females and males

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

It's very easy into nursing school as a man and with good scholarship opportunities to boot.

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

person at 50: Get off my damned lawn!

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Says the AC that is A) full of hit, and B) doesn't understand that a single data point doesn't mean bupkis.

Re:This is great

[AmiMoJo]

Way ahead of you. There have been lots of schemes to encourage more men to get into nursing, and lots of research to understand the problem.

Here are some overviews:

https://journals.lww.com/ajnon...

https://minoritynurse.com/more...

Same with teaching. It's particularly bad in primary level, where children need male role models. The BBC is a good starting point:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...

And these guys if course:

http://www.malesinteaching.com...

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

That is what Bjarne keeps telling me...

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Korg. I'm kind of like the leader in here. I'm made of rocks, as you can see, but don't let that intimidate you. You don't need to be afraid, unless you're made of scissors!

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

If they want to get men in to teaching, maybe they need to work on removing some of the stigma that any man interested in children is immediately assumed a pedophile. I was in Manchester recently and saw a park with a sign that literally said men weren't allowed in to it without a child present.
I know I wouldn't ever go into primary school teaching even though I do legitimately have interest in it. In lower grades everybody assumes you're a pedophile and in higher grades if you piss a female student off she can make the claim you had an inappropriate relationship with her and that's enough to ruin the rest of your life, and likely land you in jail, no matter if the claim was true or not.
And to think there's people out there lobbying to always believe the accuser when a false accusation ruins the accused so completely.

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

There are definitely programs to get more male elementary teachers in (male teachers are generally teaching later years to college). And I believe there are programs to get more male nurses in as well.

The latter to deal with unruly patients and lift fat ones.

Re:This is great

[AmiMoJo]

Stigma is literally the first thing in the BBC article, and mentioned on the front page of the other link.

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

If they want to get men in to teaching, maybe they need to work on removing some of the stigma that any man interested in children is immediately assumed a pedophile. I was in Manchester recently and saw a park with a sign that literally said men weren't allowed in to it without a child present.
I know I wouldn't ever go into primary school teaching even though I do legitimately have interest in it. In lower grades everybody assumes you're a pedophile and in higher grades if you piss a female student off she can make the claim you had an inappropriate relationship with her and that's enough to ruin the rest of your life, and likely land you in jail, no matter if the claim was true or not.
And to think there's people out there lobbying to always believe the accuser when a false accusation ruins the accused so completely.

I had full intentions of going into teaching since I was in grade-school, I have a knack for teaching, but with all the chaos in the collapsing US public school system with all the politically-correct horseshit, the indoctrination, and now with any male working with children being one accusation away from the destruction of one's life, I opted instead to go into materials science. It's interesting and I'm pretty good at it. I would have made a much better teacher, though.

Re: This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Absolutely. There are such initiatives and campaigns in my country. Equality is supported.

Re:This is great

[guruevi]

Once you open them up it's much like a computer, things don't fit in the wrong places and forcing it usually results in death. Occasionally you do get the "who the hell put this together".

Re:This is great

[AHuxley]

Re "schemes to encourage"
How about just letting smart people find their own pursuit of happiness.
Pass their exams on merit and have the freedom to find profession they want to do.

Re: This is great

[c6gunner]

There are definitely programs to get more male elementary teachers in (male teachers are generally teaching later years to college). And I believe there are programs to get more male nurses in as well.

No need for programs; the problem will fix itself if we just complain enough about toxic femininity.

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Better than that. Lets work on getting women down the sewers and on the garbage trucks. Not enough women in offshore drilling platforms. Way too few women die on the job than men. We need this addressed immediately. Think of all the valuable points of view that aren't being represented in the filthy dangerous jobs of the world!

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

it's for situations where a patient may not be comfortable with someone of the opposite sex examining them. This applies to females and males

A while back when I (male) spent a couple of days in hospital (ICU) I was washed and, before discharge, de-catheterized by nurses (female). I realized afterward I lost a lot of prudishness during those days. However, I'm still not sure I would have preferred to have male nurses do that...

Re:This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, let's ignore everything that has evolved over the millennia and make the two main different kinds of people identical thus throwing about each of their specialized talents out with the bathwater.

Do you know why there's no gender-neutral, gender-equal country that survived long enough to find its way into history books? Take a guess.

Re:This is great

[thegarbz]

I was in Manchester recently and saw a park with a sign that literally said men weren't allowed in to it without a child present.

Sounds like that would achieve the opposite of what was intended.

Re: This is great

[Anonymous Coward]

FUCKING A+

Latinx?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is that like Latin with mutant powers?

Re:Latinx?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it's an extension for Latex to markup bell-choir music.

Re: Latinx?

[Anonymous Coward]

Generation Latin X are illegal immigrants who entered the US roughly between the years 1972-1985. Maybe?

Re:Latinx?

[uvajed_ekil]

No, it's an extension for Latex to markup bell-choir music.

Are you sure it isn't about Vandelay Industries expanding its reach in South America?

Re: Latinx?

[Anonymous Coward]

Generation Latin X are illegal immigrants who entered the US roughly between the years 1972-1985. Maybe?

Racist/Trump ALERT: When anything mentioning "Latin" takes you straight to something about illegal immigrants, you might be a racist, and you're definitely a Trump supporter.

Re: Latinx?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, but you're the one who is racist.

Latins are citizens of the Roman Empire. The term denotes citizenship, not race. The US has never in its history accepted any legal immigrants from the Roman Empire. Therefore, by definition, all Latins living in the US must be here illegally. How dare you denigrate the vast diversity of citizens in the Roman Empire by calling them a single race!

Zuck off

[Anonymous Coward]

Zuckerberg claiming credit for other peoples' work? Sounds about right. Next step is to figure out a way to monetize these students by abusing their privacy.

The headline sounds sexist

[DickBreath]

> 'Double the Number of Black and Latinx Students and Girls Taking AP Computer Science'

This sounds like two groups can take AP Computer Science:
1. Black and Latinx Students
2. Girls
Aren't the girls part of the first group despite their gender?

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[bobm]

Even more interesting is if they are double counting a female black/latin student.

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[Anonymous Coward]

Even more interesting is if they are double counting a female black/latin student.

isnt that triple counting...i mean they have students and girls in there at the end.

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[ole_timer]

so the 2 people were also female - that's how they got from 2 to 4. great progress. put that on fakebook.

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[Anonymous Coward]

It's an attempt to make it sound more epic than it actually is.

Re: The headline sounds sexist

[Anonymous Coward]

I prefer its counterpart on PornHub: Double Penetration of Black and Latinas by Hard Disks.

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[Anonymous Coward]

The headline is both sexist and racist. It's possible that they achieved this result without using racist and sexist methods. I could believe either way.

Re:The headline sounds sexist

[Anonymous Coward]

Next year they will allow you to list dual ethnicity,

Black, Latino/Latina... and girls...

[Anonymous Coward]

Also, why insist on enforcing gender/race quotations instead of just letting people decide for themselves?

Re:Black, Latino/Latina... and girls...

[zugmeister]

Excellent question! It turns out we got to where we are today (with racial / gender imbalances) by doing just that. Unfortunately, letting people make their own decisions sometimes doesn't create a homogeneous end result.

Re:Black, Latino/Latina... and girls...

[AHuxley]

A generation of people sit the same free exam and show they can study and have the ability get into a university.
Once accepted based on merit they can they select from a long list of study options.

Without a gov, mil, faith telling them what they can study if they have the needed skills.

From that freedom to select what a person will study the individual has the freedom to find their own profession.
The freedom to get into a university. The freedom to select any area of study they want. Then graduate and find a job they like.
From some it can be math. Some it can be medicine. Law. Arts? Sport. Languages. Physics. History. Anthropology.
Thats down to having the skills to study and getting good results in a free exam in the USA.
The individual who can study in the USA can be trusted to find the profession they want in the USA.

Quick edit

[Anonymous Coward]

Shouldn't that be blax and latinx?

BFD

[oh_my_080980980]

Wow AP Computer Science...talk to me when someone makes a career out of it....

I can't believe it

[Tsolias]

It's a historic day forChan.

Latin[ao]

[Hognoxious]

If they can't understand a simple regex then they don't have a hope in CS. Perhaps they could become narrative diversity therapists or something.

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So more Sexism and Racism ! "Yay" ?

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop DISCRIMINATING you HATEFUL RACISTS and FEMINAZIS.

We are people.

AP credit for a remedial course?

[HornWumpus]

Sure many colleges have to teach their students computer basics (along with high school math and english).

I know of none that give the students credit for a remedial 'computer skills' class in pursuit of a CS or Engineering degree.

All these students are doing is avoiding having to take a basic computer skills course in pursuit of an underwater basket weaving degree.

If you want to keep girls interested in math and science, you have to do it the age they stop doing the work. That's basically at puberty.

Re:AP credit for a remedial course?

[Anonymous Coward]

AP courses are scamming the students these days. Ask people entering CS or engineering in any major uni. AP calculus doesn't get you university calculus credit.

Highschool coursework does not have the time nor facilities to match rigorous accreditation standards. The classes are taken over at a higher level. Often the best reward the students get is a combined calc 1 and 2 course that moves at a faster pace at the same price.

Highschool administrators and business types love AP classes because it makes their institutions look great while costing the same, but are detriments to the actual students. More work, same payout.

Doesn't even provide boosts in acceptance any more. Since the recession ended the majority of universities have had a significant drop in enrollment. They literally cant afford to turn away students capable of freshman level work. AP courses are simply easier versions of freshman classes. There's no benefit.

Decent for smart kids that want more, but why not dual enroll in a college while in highschool and get actual bonafide credit for your work?

Re:AP credit for a remedial course?

[Anonymous Coward]

AP courses are scamming the students these days. Ask people entering CS or engineering in any major uni. AP calculus doesn't get you university calculus credit.

I went to a fairly major engineering university. The policy then, as it is now, is that a 4 or a 5 on a math/science AP exam will get you at least 1 course of credit (Calc AB counted as 2, BC counted as 3). If you get a 3, then yes, it is worthless. Hell, you could get credit for the earlier Calculus classes just by starting in a later one and passing the rest of the sequence; if you know the material, you'll get credit for it. My AP classes (Calc AB and Chemistry) gave me half a semester's worth of credit, which gave me enough flexibility my senior year to start on my Master's degree while still being able to relax. The real scam was the college English program my high school offered - 1.5 hours of class per day every day plus tons of homework just to get two courses worth of "actual bonafide credit" from a real university. Half the work gets you twice the credit in college - more work, less payout.

Re:AP credit for a remedial course?

[HornWumpus]

That was also, more or less, my experience. Except I had a bunch of Jr college credits in general education (e.g. required US history) type courses on top of the APs. Started college as a sophomore, lawyered my way out of freshman dorm living requirement.

Chinx for Latinx

[Anonymous Coward]

Chinky Chan with her Jewberg man
Helpin fat brown girls like no one can
with her chinky face
and her chinky race
from a chinky place in a chinky land

That's not terribly exciting news

[Anonymous Coward]

There are zero latinx students because there are no latinx people, so the only thing doubled is black & female students.

FB-developed AI will sack 'em...

[Alwin Henseler]

More likely, a number of years from now they'll be sacked because a Facebook-developed AI system does their job cheaper. How ironic...

Kids! If you're reading this, and you have a study to choose: make your choice with the aim of personal growth. To learn more about the world, to follow your interests, to broaden your horizons, help improve the world we live on, etc. If your choice comes with good career prospects, even better. But don't let the career part be your #1 criterium.

The spread of AI intelligent systems may eat into the "career prospects" part quicker than you realize. Possibly within years of graduating. Don't waste some of the best years of your life on that if that's your main motive for choosing that study. But the "personal growth" part will be with you for the rest of your life. That's a good investment regardless of career prospects. When eg. fully-automatic built houses become the norm, we'll have plenty of engineers, carpenters, truck drivers & paper-pushers to go around. What this world needs is more visionaries, entrepreneurs, and people who go where no-one went before (which may include a scientist here & there).

Fwiw: learning how to code is a useful skill in any case, I think. If it's not your thing, just do some of it on the side to "get your feet wet" so to speak.

racist

[Anonymous Coward]

What a racist

Defeat from the jaws of victory

[Hognoxious]

It's rather shocking that they found the solution to the error French, Italian and various other types of Dagoese and Woppish have - assigning gender to things that don't piss at all, standing up or sitting down - and then implemented it wrongly.

Frankly it's no wonder they lost, twice.

Re: Defeat from the jaws of victory

[Anonymous Coward]

it's no wonder they lost, twice

Russian has genders, too.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Chan Zuckerberg?

[Rick Schumann]

So, what, ZuckerChan.com? I don't even want to know what zuckerchan.com/b/ is going to look like or what memes will come out of there.. and I sure as hell don't want to know what zuckerchan.com/h/ looks like (Latinx and African-American hentai? *invountary shiver*).

divide and conquer

[Anonymous Coward]

i mean, lets keep breaking down humanity into all of these social groups based on external physical characteristics and then preach about equality of outcome as if there are sup[posed to be an even distribution of every social group in each social role. This is specifically about the equality of outcome specifically because these feel good groups for the billionaires operate on the assumption that raising the diversity in applicants is going to raise the diversity in the job categories they are trying to change.

And that is exactly why racism wont die, keep dividing up the people and they will find ways to dislike the other groups.

Oy.

[Anonymous Coward]

"Latinx" isn't a word.

Learn Spanish, you social fucksticks.

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[Joe_Dragon]

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Good thoughts

[Archfeld]

I don't know why it has to be limited to Latins of gender and Blacks, but ANY effort that increases the number of students of any gender, or racial origin taking AP sciences and technology classes is a good thing in my mind. AP history and critical thinking increases would greatly benefit everyone as well. Education is a good thing however it is acquired.

Zuckerbot

[Anonymous Coward]

Has always stood for diversity. He worked tirelessly to ensure America elected their first black and orange presidents ever!

In the UK, studying Computer Science gets harder

[HuskyDog]

Perhaps we could do with this sort of initiative here in the UK. Last year my daughter, who is studying at an overpoweringly white and middle class girl's grammar school wanted to start studying Computer Science for her GCSEs but the school decided to stop offering the course saying that it wouldn't be a problem as she could still study it at A level. Last week we were talking to the deputy head teacher who said that actually it was now most unlikely that they and the boy's grammar would be offering the A level in the future either (the two schools combine classes at A level). In both cases the school has cited lack of pupil interest in taking the courses as the reason.

If privileged children like my daughter can't get to study the subject despite constant posturing from the government about the importance of more children learning to "code" then I dread to think how difficult it must be for those with fewer advantages.

Notes for Americans etc:
GCSE - Exams taken by 16 year old children
A Levels - Exams taken by 18 year old children and the main qualification for University entrance
Grammar School - A free state run school for children from 11 which has an entrance exam (the 11 plus) and which therefore takes the most able pupils (although it helps if your parents can afford a tutor for the exam).

Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[Anonymous Coward]

Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).

Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).

Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.

George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.

Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.

Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!

Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).

Adam Schiff (gosh s

Re:Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[Anonymous Coward]

Holy crap how much of your medication have you skipped?

Re:Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[Anonymous Coward]

How much heroin or cocaine powder have you rammed up that rhino horn of a hooked snout you jews have that you never skip?

It makes you feel better about yourselves. Your drug rehab is your rhinoplasty operation. Logic being a smaller suitcase to pack loaded with drugs!

Re: Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[c6gunner]

All of it. He thinks medication is a Jewish plot.

Re:Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[Anonymous Coward]

Why not just refute his argument instead of mocking?

Re:Seek & DESTROY - Metallica

[tehcyder]

Why not just refute his argument instead of mocking?

That would be a bit like trying to have a serious debate with the Time Cube guy.

Bias built-in

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course the solution to perceived inequality is always to build bias in from the start. Obviously, all white men always win at everything and should be pushed down in favor of women and people of color. Bias for the win!

Female and...

[Anonymous Coward]

Females dominate liberal arts majors. Males still dominate tech in college, and earn higher wages with or without a post-secondary degree.

Re:Female and...

[Anonymous Coward]

In other words, getting laid less in college makes you more money later in life.

Well, for males at any rate. Females end up sour and hateful and politically correct and still poor. Pesky double standards.

The Patriarchy

[labnet]

They just need a good dose of Jordan Peterson.

He totally debunks the lefts idea that the lack of black/female students in stem is because of the white patriarchy by showing a high correlation between countries that are highly egalitarian (such as the Nordic countries) and those that are not (such as India) showing the STEM ratio of men to women get WORSE when females are given more free choice.
The whole SJW, patriarchy thing is being driven by far left ideologues who don't really want to help the people they claim to support, but are after power so they can force their ideology on everyone.
Equality of opportunity not outcome!

Re:You rotten cuckolds

[Priscilla Chan]

"Relax Mark," she says. I slowly unzip my pants.

The living room in this house has an incredible view. It’s as if you can see every inch of the Bay Area from up here. Is the Bay Area seeing every inch of me though?

Mark begins to sob. "My mother was right." He hangs his head in anguish. "I should have married a nice Jewish woman."

"Oh please." Priscilla rolls her eyes. "Have you ever even met a Jewish American Princess? The first JAP you would have tied the knot with would have taken half of your shit and used that money to keep the ball rolling with the next ten men."

"But look at what you’re doing now! I guess I should have expected no better from a girl I met at an AEPi party!" Mark shoots back.

"We agreed this would be the best action to take for the health of our marriage. Why are you so bitter now?"

"I don’t know. It just feels weird."

"That’s normal," Priscilla says coolly. She looks straight at me: "Let’s get this over with."

"Listen, if you guys aren’t comfortable with this, I can leave," I say, trying to keep the situation calm. A dog enters the room. It’s big, with what looks like long white pool noodles for fur. If Bob Marley had an Albino dog, this would be it. He seems confused, but he can tell Mark is agitated. The canine looks at me and begins to snarl.

"Calm down, Beast!" Priscilla shouts.

The dog immediately cowers back in fear, whimpering quietly. How did I get myself into this? Priscilla looks back at me: "No, you’re finishing this."

I shift my gaze back from the dog to the window. "So, are you comfortable, Priscilla?" Great view.

"Doctor," she corrects me.

"Doctor Priscilla?"

"Doctor Chan."

"Have you done something like this with your patients?" Mark interrupts anxiously.

"No Mark, I just prefer to be called by my proper title with strangers. Stop being so petty. You know I love you. I’m doing this for you," she replies gently.

"Yeah. I’m sorry honey. You know I’m just getting worked up," Mark begins to twiddle his thumbs.

"Ugh. You’re worse than your mother. Do you want to be like them?"

I have to interject- "Like who?"

Priscilla is quick to answer: "The Obamas. The Musks. You know."

"No, I really don’t," I answer. Because I don’t. What are these bizarre people going on about?

"Like last New Year’s eve. Elon Musk filed for divorce while everyone was out having the time of their lives," Priscilla explains.

"And the Obamas?" I inquire further.

Mark answers, "I’m pretty much on a first-name basis with Barry. The controversy is that last Christmas vacation when the Obamas flew out to Hawaii, Barry came back, but Michelle stayed an extra week. It was quite a spectacle."

"’I’m pretty much on a first-name basis with Barry.’" Priscilla repeats mockingly. "As if we don’t all know Obama’s first name."

"I don’t get it. What do those guys have to do with you?" I need to ask again, for I am not one of quick wit.

"Well, frankly, the marriage is stagnating. We married too young and never really got to explore ourselves. But we can’t get a divorce, it would be too high profile. The press wouldn’t stop harassing us about it. It would be like if Hillary and Bill got a divorce halfway through her campaign run," Priscilla explains.

"I understand." I don’t actually understand. But who knows how long this explanation of their scheming and paltry concerns will go on for? I don’t really care.

"The last thing Mark would want," Priscilla starts again, "is for me to run away from San Francisco, and travel the world alone! I’d even have a blog, where I would tell everyone that they need to quit their jobs, marry a nice Jewish boy from Harvard with a budding social network, and then

Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[blindseer]

The average American has an IQ of 98. The average American with European or Asian ancestry has an IQ of 100. The average American of African or Hispanic ancestry has an IQ of 95. While males and females have the same average IQ the distribution of IQ among males is wider than that of females, which means more geniuses and more... not geniuses.

The average IQ of a person in a computer related field is 110. Someone doing software/computer/electrical engineering will be slightly higher at 115. Those that graduate with a degree in computer science, information science, and most engineering disciplines, will have an IQ around 125.

Statistically speaking the people with the intelligence to graduate in computer science and related fields will be predominately white or Asian, and male. Those with the intelligence to be successful in an occupation writing computer code will the predominately white or Asian, and male. Claiming to be able to double the number of Hispanic and Black students into computer science means, as best I can tell, one was able to increase their intelligence.

I guess the alternative is they found a way to handicap the competition for these classes. Colleges and universities have been handicapping white and Asian applicants to get more Black and Hispanic students. All they did was double the drop out rate of Black and Hispanic students at their schools. Affirmative action is not helping these people. Don't put people in classes and jobs for which they are unsuited, that's only displacing someone that might be better suited for that position.

We've effectively ended racism in the USA. That's not saying there are not any racist people in the USA, only that it's been made socially unacceptable and punishable under the law if used to keep people from jobs and services.

There is no easy answer for the disparity of women and minorities in STEM, because there is no easy answer to correct for the varied genetics in these populations we generally describe as races and genders. Genetics is a very large part of IQ. Maybe IQ is 50/50 genetics and things like nutrition and education. Maybe IQ is only 20% genetics. What portion of IQ that is genetics is not all that important, what is important is to realize that we can't just "fix" the uneven distribution of IQ over race and gender with better schools and better nutrition.

Trying to blame this on racism or sexism gets us nowhere but continued frustration on reality not fitting the fantasy people create for themselves.

Re: Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

>"We've effectively ended racism in the USA"

Even with your coda to that statement that narrows the definition of racism to something special to you, ROFL.

Gods, it's been years since I last wrote ROFL.

It's nifty how you use numbers to justify ignoring evidence. Keep being special, the planet you are on probably needs you.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[avandesande]

The bell curve still exists for blacks and latinos so there will still be plenty that will fit your distribution for CS... this is no where near accounting for disparity in actual enrollments. Also the fact that women will have same IQ also throws your theory out the window.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

Of course they're going to be predominantly white. We're 62% of the nation. The next biggest group is "latinos" at 17% (why don't we call them native (central) americans? Probably the same reason we don't call Indians Asians even though they're in Asia). IQ averages aside, there's no way you're getting around that mass of people.

Asians not so much. At 5%, if you have a college tech class that's predominantly asian, there's further sociological factors at play. Namely, WE HAVE A WORLD-CLASS UNIVERSITY SYSTEM AND WE'RE GETTING ALL OF CHINA AND INDIA COMING HERE. Duh. It's a product we sell as Americans. The current trend of "asian tiger parents" I personally ascribe to the flight of all the intellectuals from Mao's china. A lot came here and the children of doctors and engineers are expected to aim high. And IQ is heritable. Asians aren't inherently smarter, that's racist. We've just got batch of smarties that selectively moved here.

Claiming to be able to double the number of Hispanic and Black students into computer science means, as best I can tell, one was able to increase their intelligence.

Don't be a dumb fuck. You could train a specific group to test well within a specific task and you'd see increased enrollment in that field. Who takes AP comSci is not solely derived from people's intelligence or their IQ score.

They increased their interest in ComSci, and encouraged them to take a class in it. Reading deeper into it and taking offence where there's none to take makes you a SJW. No, for real. Read that again. You are perceiving racial and sexual unfairness and raising a huff about it. Playing the victim card. Who else does this?

I mean.... you're not wrong about affirmative action at the college level. But you're presuming that applies at this highschool AP class. Your only argument is about "displacement". Who is blocked from taking AP comSci in highschool because there isn't enough room?

We've effectively ended racism in the USA. That's not saying there are not any racist people in the USA, only that it's been made socially unacceptable and punishable under the law if used to keep people from jobs and services.

Oh it's illegal, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Much the same way that NO ONE drank any whiskey in the USA in 1930's and no one smokes pot, right? Because it's federally illegal? Isn't that your argument?

There is no easy answer for the disparity of women and minorities in STEM, because there is no easy answer to correct for the varied genetics in these populations

You made the leap that the difference in IQ distributions (narrow vs wide) between the sexes is genetic in origin. It might not be. You're operating on assumptions here and you're going to be rightfully crucified for it.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

The bell curve still exists for blacks and latinos so there will still be plenty that will fit your distribution for CS... this is no where near accounting for disparity in actual enrollments.

If the IQ needed to get a degree in computer science is 120, where Hispanics have an average IQ of 95 and Whites an average of 100, then the distribution of people getting degrees will not match the general population. An average IQ of 100 in a population means 10% (or there about) of them are above 120. An average IQ of 95 in a population means 6% (roughly) of them are above 120. A quick search of stats on race in the general population, in computer science, and some back of the envelope math tells me that this is about right for Hispanics working in programing in the USA.

Also the fact that women will have same IQ also throws your theory out the window.

No, it doesn't. The claim was that while the average is the same the distribution of intelligence among males is wider. I don't know how much wider it is but if the standard deviation on IQ for females is 10 and for males it's 20 then the ratio of males/females with an IQ above 120 is not going to be 1/1, it's going to be more like 2/1, 3/1, or even 4/1. Go find the standard deviation on each sex and do the math.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[blindseer]

Of course they're going to be predominantly white. We're 62% of the nation.

Whites and Asians make up about 66% of the general population. Whites and Asians make up about 77% of those in computer science. Males make up 48% of the general population, and 79% in computer science. That's a predominance that is disproportionate.

The next biggest group is "latinos" at 17% (why don't we call them native (central) americans?

Probably because they come from places that speak Latin based languages like Spanish and Portuguese. Hispanic is also used to describe these populations because nearly all of them are descendants of people from "Hispana", an alternative name for the Iberian Peninsula. There might still be some people in Central America that are pure blood natives but those are very rare after settlers from predominately Spain and Portugal interbreeding with the native populations for about 500 years.

IQ averages aside, there's no way you're getting around that mass of people.

You've convinced me. I'm convinced you need to read some books on grammar, geography, and algebra.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

There's a greater variance in IQ among men than among women. If you divide people up into IQ = 125, then you find men better represented in the first and last groups and women better represented in the middle group.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

Whites and Asians make up about 66% of the general population. Whites and Asians make up about 77% of those in computer science. Males make up 48% of the general population, and 79% in computer science. That's a predominance that is disproportionate.

Of course. A much fairer system would be the Soviet/Chinese approach to employment, where the government decides for you what you will study and what your occupation will be irrespective of your interests. Then we could get those diversity figures to line up!

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[uvajed_ekil]

The average American has an IQ of 98...

But everyone (except Trump) knows that IQ tests are a terrible measure of actual intelligence. And between 67% and 73% of statistics are made up on the spot, like yours. And you still come across as a racist/sexist.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

Being able to double the number of minorities in some field that doesn't mean lowering your standards. You can just take qualified people who would otherwise go into other fields. For example, if you wanted to double the number of white people in professional basketball, you just have to do a better job of recruiting them and keeping them out of baseball or whatever other sport they're doing.

If you want more Latino programmers, you can just pull them out of other fields like mechanics or engineering. You're never going to get as many Latino programmers as you have white programmers, but I don't think that's the goal here.

dom

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

Only for pretentious social justice warriors who don't understand the concept of math or statistics is the CS target the same as the general population.

This post https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12349360&cid=56937670 has explained the issue pretty well. Basically, with varying average IQ and jobs requiring those levels, you aren't going to have the same distribution as population as a whole.

To put it in terms even you could (hopefully understand), basketball is a game that requires taller than average people. The distribution of people in college basketball teams most definitely does not follow general population, college population even, by neither race nor gender. Go fix that.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[AmiMoJo]

All this tells us is that some people are better at taking IQ tests than others.

IQ isn't a measure of raw intelligence or ability.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

ok, I'm going to blow your mind here, but 62%, plus 5%, is, with some rounding, about 66%. And white guys aren't asians. Why are you lumping them together?

Males make up 48% of the general population, and 79% in computer science. That's a predominance that is disproportionate.

YES, that part IS disproportionate. And the causes appear to be, at least in part, sociological in nature. If only someone were to perform some sort of.... imitative or something to get girls interested in STEM.... if only. And part of it, as I'm sure you'd like to harp on, seems to be biological in nature. It's also our biological nature to screw each other's brains out during puberty and make babies, but we overcome that. Mostly. Sometimes nature is horribly outdated.

Anyway, I'm generally not a fan of racist or sexist policies, but supporting girls in tech is good because it gets more people into tech and we need more people in tech. That's where the jobs are. There's plenty of work to do. I also support programs that get boys interested in tech.

In nations where there's low amount of sexual barriers when it comes to choice of careers paths, there is still unbalance in different fields. People have their own preferences and there's a trend with men and women going different ways. That's fine. Let people choose which way they want to go. But none of that should stop people from getting kids interested in productive valuable fields. This is highschool, it's equality of opportunity stuff here.

There might still be some people in Central America that are pure blood natives but those are very rare after settlers from predominately Spain and Portugal interbreeding with the native populations for about 500 years.

haha, "purebred". We call anyone in the US that's 1/32nd parts "Indian" and they qualify for scholarships. Are there ANY Mexicans that don't have some Aztec blood in them? They're native Americans yo. Spaniards are (mostly) white Europeans.

You've convinced me.

. . . Of what? I just commented that (some of) your statements are obviously true and to be expected. Of course classes are predominantly white. Why wouldn't they be? We're mostly white.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

aww fuck! Initiative, not imitative! I do need to work on grammar.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

What portion of IQ that is genetics is not all that important, what is important is to realize that we can't just "fix" the uneven distribution of IQ over race and gender with better schools and better nutrition.

Actually the converse is true. Because even if better schools and nutrition had only a 10% impact on IQ then the average American of African or Hispanic ancestry with an IQ of 95 could their average IQ increased to be even greater than the average American with European or Asian ancestry.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[blindseer]

And white guys aren't asians. Why are you lumping them together?

Because the article is lumping Black and Latin together. If someone isn't Black or Latin then that means, with some exceptions in the USA, one is White or Asian. This also works out because Whites and Asians have an average IQ that's close to, and perhaps slightly above, 100. If you want to split some hairs here and claim that there's more than just those four groups then that's fine, but generally and for the purposes of this discussion there's the group that are dominate in STEM, Asian and White, and those that these people want to get more of in STEM, Black and Latin. Depending on how thin you want to split those hairs you can define native Americans as distinct from Latin but in this case I don't much care either way.

YES, that part IS disproportionate. And the causes appear to be, at least in part, sociological in nature.

Prove it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything since I believe it to be futile. If you want to convince me then bring some data. Otherwise we can simply agree to disagree.

And part of it, as I'm sure you'd like to harp on, seems to be biological in nature.

Yes, it's biological in many ways. I've listened to Dr. Jordan Peterson talk and he lays out quite convincingly that there are two aspects to employability. One is intelligence, and many people simply stop with that. To get a job doing something the person must be able to comprehend the task at hand. When there is competition for that job the person must not only be able to do the job but do it better than the other person. The other aspect is personality. The personality must also fit the job. Personality is also genetic. I don't know enough about the relationship between genetics and personality just yet to comment on if this has some correlation to race so I tend to leave that one alone.

It's also our biological nature to screw each other's brains out during puberty and make babies, but we overcome that. Mostly. Sometimes nature is horribly outdated.

Nature isn't outdated. At least I don't think so. Our nature is fine tuned to survival, with enough variation to allow adaptability and evolution to account for variation in the environment. Maybe instead of fighting our nature, and losing, we can use our natural tendencies to the advantage of the individual and society.

Anyway, I'm generally not a fan of racist or sexist policies, but supporting girls in tech is good because it gets more people into tech and we need more people in tech.

Supporting girls in STEM to the exclusion of boys is sexist. Supporting Black and Latin people to the exclusion of White and Asian is racist.

That's where the jobs are. There's plenty of work to do. I also support programs that get boys interested in tech.

Yes, that's where the jobs are. How about instead of worrying about what race and gender the people in these occupations are we simply allow people to choose freely which jobs they want? Seems to me that there's fewer women in STEM because they don't much like it and would rather be school teachers, surgeons/nurses/therapists/other medical, clerical, and so on. That doesn't mean women can't do engineering, or that they'd be bad at it, only that on the average you'll get more men in STEM than women. My sister is an engineer. Sounds like she's good at it too. I'd hate to think someone would want to push her to be a schoolteacher. Just flip that around, if a girl doesn't want to grow up to be an engineer then don't push her into it.

In nations where there's low amount of sexual barriers when it comes to choice of careers paths, there is still unbalance in different fields. People have their own preferences and there's a trend with men and women going different ways. That's fine. Let people choose which way

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

This also works out because Whites and Asians have an average IQ that's close to, and perhaps slightly above, 100.

Whites, asians, blacks, and latinos all have IQ scores that are close to 100.

YES, that part IS disproportionate. And the causes appear to be, at least in part, sociological in nature.

Prove it.

CAN DO!

Factors Impacting Women's Participation in STEM Fields.

Women in STEM: Challenges and determinants of success and well-being.

Why Female Students Leave STEM.

That was like 2 minutes of google cutting and pasting. You didn't really think this one through did you? "Gender studies" as part of humanities is one of those things that bored people go on and on about. And all I have to show is that there are SOME factors. Unless you can show that NOTHING in any of these papers and articles has any impact, you've got to yield to this one.

But seriously, nature vs nurture is an old debate that obviously isn't one-sided. You ARE a dumbfuck if you think it's all one or the other.

. Personality is also genetic. I don't know enough about the relationship between genetics and personality just yet to comment on if this has some correlation to race so I tend to leave that one alone.

Too late.

Nature isn't outdated. At least I don't think so. Our nature is fine tuned to survival

It's tuned to survive in a hunter-gatherer society that fucks at 15, most babies die before 5, and most people never see more than 200 people in their lifetime. Times have changed.

Supporting girls in STEM to the exclusion of boys is sexist.

I don't. As stated. Try reading shit instead of shoveling it into my mouth.

How about instead of worrying about what race and gender the people in these occupations are we simply allow people to choose freely which jobs they want?

We do. This is a highschool class. Kids are not adults and should be guided towards good paths. FURTHERMORE, taking AP comSci is also a choice for these girls.

Of what?

I wrote before what you convinced me of believing.

Yeah, yeah, grammar and geography. Whelp, you've convinced me you're a dumb fuck and an ass. Listen, Peterson is a smart guy and I believe a lot of what he says. He's careful not to step over the line from fact to opinion. You're not. Regurgitating his statements and adding your own interpretation isn't going so well for you. It makes you look not only like an idiot, but a racist sexist idiot.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

Whites, asians, blacks, and latinos all have IQ scores that are close to 100.

No, they don't.

The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx

This means 15% of white Americans have an IQ below 85 while 50% of black Americans have an IQ below 85. 15% of white Americans have an IQ above 115, and 3% of black Americans have an IQ above 115. As a frame of reference the average IQ of a college professor is about 115.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

Oh jesus, you are way WAY dull to figure this one out so I'll just help you out.

You didn't define "close". What's close? 101? 99? is 120 close? It's a subjective trait you just tossed out there. I could have said ANYONE is close and been technically true. If this isn't super obvious then science just isn't for you and you need to step away from sociology because it's full of pitfalls even for the smart cookies.

and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

Wanna bet on the IQ scores of white poor people in west virginia? See, I can cherry pick as well.

Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx

"A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic."

Wow, just think, ALL that effort developing IQ tests and all we had to do was fill some skulls with beans. And, since I'm pretty sure this joke is WAY over your head, that's PHRENOLOGY.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[blindseer]

It makes you look not only like an idiot, but a racist sexist idiot.

You forgot to also mention that I'm antisemitic and homophobic.

Your citations have a lot of speculation but little data. Very weak tea. If that's the best you got then I'm done here. I should have known to disengage the first time you called me a dumbfuck. Here's a hint, you will be more persuasive if you don't insult the people you want to bring to your side.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh jesus, you are way WAY dull to figure this one out so I'll just help you out.

You didn't define "close". What's close? 101? 99? is 120 close? It's a subjective trait you just tossed out there. I could have said ANYONE is close and been technically true. If this isn't super obvious then science just isn't for you and you need to step away from sociology because it's full of pitfalls even for the smart cookies.

101 and 99 are probably "close". 100 and 120 are not "close". 85 and 100 are also not close.

Here's a sample of average IQ to occupation from that chart link to earlier.
120 - MD and other medical
115 - Electrical engineer or college professor.
110 - "Computer occupation", which I'm guessing is the average Geek Squad or Nerd Herd member
105 - elementary school teacher
100 - clerical worker
95 - truck driver
90 - janitor
85 - not shown as an average for any occupation

Do you really think that an IQ of 100 is "close" enough to be a surgeon? Or an IQ of 85?

and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

Wanna bet on the IQ scores of white poor people in west virginia? See, I can cherry pick as well.

Probably about the same IQ as the scores of poor black people in West Virginia. What point do you think you are making?

"A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic."

Wow, just think, ALL that effort developing IQ tests and all we had to do was fill some skulls with beans. And, since I'm pretty sure this joke is WAY over your head, that's PHRENOLOGY.

They found a correlation between brain size and intelligence, and you equate that to phrenology?

How about instead of bringing insults you bring an actual defense for your hypothesis?

For someone that started off by talking about science it it curious that you brought none to the table.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

You forgot to also mention that I'm antisemitic and homophobic.

Whoa, ease up with that shovel. My mouth is only so big.

I'm not trying to persuade you. This is a debate, I'm pointing out how you're a dumbfuck so the observing masses don't start believing any of your drivel.

Re:Race, gender, IQ, and occupation

[HeckRuler]

What point do you think you are making?

That cherry picking populouses and pointing at their IQ scores (and race) doesn't really mean anything.

They found a correlation between brain size and intelligence, and you equate that to phrenology?

Yes, because that's LITERALLY phrenology. But suuuuuuuure, let me know how well ELEPHANTS perform as surgeons and programmers. You know, because of their massive brains. That... IS the path you're walking down.

Also, blindseer ( 891256 ), why do you feel the need to post anonymously half the time? Don't feel like standing by some of these comments?

That is fighting the wrong assumption

[Anonymous Coward]

The assumption that girls are presuaded away from tech by evil parents and teachers is just wrong.
So more girls joined due to high pressure from the feminist establishment. Nothing will come out of it. Except maybe some unhappy women.

Impersonating me/Bitch tactics? LMAO, ok

[Anonymous Coward]

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[Anonymous Coward]

Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).

Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).

Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.

George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.

Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.

Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!

Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).

Adam Schiff (gosh s

I asked my students...

[Anonymous Coward]

During a discussion about ancient data processing systems from IBM, I asked my students to theorize how World War 2 might have turned out differently if the Nazis had UNIX. I got two interesting answers.

One student noted that the Nazis kept meticulous records and relied heavily on their communications network and strict chain of command. If they had access to modern UNIX systems they might have processed prisoners more efficiently and killed more victims in their death camps.

Another student noted that the Nazis used a large number of prisoners for slave labor, which allowed some prisoners to survive until the end of the war. If they instead had a large population of eunuchs contributing to their labor force, then fewer prisoners might have survived.

Either way (UNIX vs eunuchs), there would have been more innocent victims killed as
a result.

This is what happens when clueless liberal arts students are allowed to take Computer Science courses.

Re:I asked my students...

[tehcyder]

Executive summary: you are an utterly incompetent teacher.

Re: I asked my students...

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow! You totally got "whooshed" by an obviously fake story that was written as a joke, and people actually upvoted you for it. I'm so concerned for the fate of humanity.

Re:I asked my students...

[Hognoxious]

You sound like you failed a history test about the futile system.

AP CS Principles != AP CS A

[reiscw]

I'm an AP Computer Science A teacher (the reason there is an "A" at the end is that there used to be an "AB" course as well that included data structures). That course is equivalent to CS1 at most universities, and that's what you get credit for if you take it (at most places). Java is the language and there's a good treatment of OOP, as well as recursion, sorting/searching algorithms, lists, arrays, and the fundamental stuff. The course that they are describing here is not AP CS A, it's a relatively new course, AP CS Principles. This is a course that's equivalent to a course that many universities create (including two in my metropolitan area) for liberal arts majors (meaning it's a gen ed course). Programming is part of the course, but 25% or less, and the course is intentionally language-agnostic. It's not a bad class (it exposes students to data science as well as programming, which I think is great), but it's not like CS A, which is a "for real" programming class equivalent to a course for freshmen in a CS major. Increasing the diversity in AP CS A is an accomplishment (in my opinion), but increasing AP CS Principles diversity is not very impressive unless you show that the students coming out of it choose a CS-related major (including data science, which is starting to be offered as an undergraduate major).

What concerns me a little bit right now is that many superintendents think they have a solid CS program if they offer AP CS Principles. I don't think you have a solid program until you have AP CS A or an equivalent course in a language like C++ or Python. Describing APCSP as "Coding Lite" may be too generous a description.

Re:AP CS Principles != AP CS A

[galabar]

Need mod points desperately... :)

Re:AP CS Principles != AP CS A

[twistedcubic]

Many students go to college with 0 programming experience, and end up failing dramatically in their first course. Do you think this "Lite" course will help students perform better in their first "real" college programming course?

Re:AP CS Principles != AP CS A

[sabbede]

Here's the description from the College Board link (biggest bit of BS in bold):

What is the difference between the two computer science courses?

AP CSP is focused on creativity, ideas, and new ways of thinking. AP CSP provides students with the time, space, and technical tools to begin using the principles of computing to explore and create solutions for their needs and interests. Programming and other aspects of computing are taught in the course; however, students don’t need previous coding experience to take AP CSP.

AP CSA introduces students to computer science focusing on problem solving, design strategies, organization of data, approaches to processing data, and the ethical and social implications of computing. The course emphasizes both problem solving and design using Java language.

More women for garbage collection and oil rigs

[AbRASiON]

Equality for everyone.

I hope this initiative didn't result in people being refused positions for their skin colour or gender either. Hopefully there was simply more spots available?

Re: More women for garbage collection and oil rigs

[Anonymous Coward]

This *is* more women for garbage collection. Because AP CompSci is taught in Java. No malloc() or free(), etc. /s

Re:unlimited student loans let just about any one

[Anonymous Coward]

Some of them might even learn to spell while in collage!!

Chan Zuckerberg?

[Anonymous Coward]

Anybody else wondering for a second who Chan Zuckerberg is?

Re:unlimited student loans let just about any one

[Anonymous Coward]

I tried, but it didn't stick and just ended up with fragmentary knowledge!

Whole argument is dumb as F***.

[davesays]

A person is not their IQ and vice versa. Beyond IQ they have talent, aptitudes, tastes, passions, etc. that shape what they are good at - and also *what they want to do.* Passions - I am terrible at golf but love it. I can draft/engineer/design like a mofo but flunked Art 100 3x. I worked in prototype and fab at Imagineering and I'm pretty damn good at IT stuff. My sister in law is not great with technology but can create art out of thin air like a bad-ass and was a fantastic and creative city planner. Our IQs are way above average and likely similar but we are suited for, and more importantly enjoy and are drawn to, and excel at entirely different pursuits. Nothing will solve the problem of people not being the same BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PROBLEM. If your car, or computer or almost anything else needs to be fixed you probably want ME, but FFS you don't want me to be the wedding planner; you want my wife (also way above average IQ). What if there were no (cooks/plumbers/musicians/painters/docors), just CS people? Even in IT people have differnt talents and we act like it is all just "IT Guy." I work IT at a hospital and if I start to drop dead I am sure as F not calling IT. Nurses are AWESOME! Can't we just let people do what they love and are good at?

Re:Whole argument is dumb as F***.

[tehcyder]

Our IQs are way above average

Fascinatingly, every single person on slashdot has a near-genius IQ. Coincidence? I think not.

Re:Whole argument is dumb as F***.

[davesays]

1- Selection Bias? 2- Citation?

Fascinatingly, every single person on slashdot has a near-genius IQ. Coincidence? I think not.

Not that it matters (I think IQ by itself is a lousy metric) last time I was tested (~20 years ago) I was 136, my wife was 134, her sister is likely similar.

How did they do it?

[Anonymous Coward]

I read the CZI website to learn what they do, but it doesn't really say how they pulled this off. I only found something vague about them working with the College Board. Also, it mentioned giving teachers new tools that help them cater to specific student needs.

Was this just some ad campaign to encourage more black, latin, and girls to enroll? Were there any specific barriers (e.g. lack of computer equipment, etc.) that holding such students back? Anyone know more details?

Re:How did they do it?

[sabbede]

They made it the easiest way to get some college credit. Click the NYT link in the article for example exam questions. It's sad.

Hooray for discrimination

[Anonymous Coward]

So glad that we no longer have to provide equal opportunity to all people. After all, some are more equal than others.

Obviously..

[thesupraman]

it is las latinx or los latinx, depending on if its a group or males or females ;);)

Re:Obviously..

[mjwx]

it is las latinx or los latinx, depending on if its a group or males or females ;);)

OMG WAFFLEBOTTOM!!!1!11!!ONE!!ELEVEN!!!11!!!1

How dare you assume the gender of that word.

Seriously, I converse with Latinos (mostly Colombians, occasionally Argentinian) on a regular basis. Not once I have I ever heard them complain about the lack of gender neutral pronouns, most are happy to keep the masculine pronoun as encompassing both genders and the feminine pronoun for exclusively female. Not even my teacher who constantly bemoaned the lack of modernisation in the language.

I think the gender neutral way of saying Latino would be "persona Latin" (latin person). I think whoever invented "latinx" has too much time on their hands and doesn't speak Spanish as that word is a bitch to pronounce (Latin-ks or Latin-equis, maybe Latin-diez if we're using roman numerals. The h and sh sounds are predominantly Mexican and rarer further south). Point in short, Latino countries are less hung up on this issue.

Isn't this the same AP course...

[Anonymous Coward]

That's been dumbed down and filled with ethics, anti-piracy messages and brogramming exercises?

It's disappointingly predictable

[alexanderhlau]

Post anything involving women or people of color, and hundreds and hundreds of replies from a bunch of morons come pouring in. Cue the "I'm not a [race,sex]ist but [stupidReason] " I'm sorry, a flood of comments against a relatively benign charitable organization PROMOTING the field WE work in is precisely the reason these organizations exist. The glass ceiling is palpable. I bet actual racists and Nazis don't get NEARLY as much shit. Most people on this comment thread would rather work with a Nazi or racist on the illogical principle of 'They must be a GREAT coder if they're such a dirtbag'

while we are at it

[Anonymous Coward]

What about getting mentally challenged people into programming? It would be discrimination not to??? /me grubs popcorn.