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Some Colleges Cautiously Embrace Wikipedia (chronicle.com)

Megan Zahneis, writing for The Chronicle of Higher Education: Academics have traditionally distrusted Wikipedia, citing the inaccuracies that arise from its communally edited design and lamenting students' tendency to sometimes plagiarize assignments from it. Now, LiAnna Davis, director of programs for Wikipedia's higher-education-focused nonprofit arm Wiki Education, said, higher education and Wikipedia don't seem like such strange bedfellows. At conferences these days, "everyone's like, 'Oh, Wikipedia, of course you guys are here.'"

"I think it's a recognition that Wikipedia is embedded within the fabric of learning now," she said. One initiative Davis oversees at Wiki Education aims to forge stronger bonds between Wikipedia and higher education. The Visiting Scholars program, which began in 2015, pairs academics at colleges with experienced Wikipedia editors. Institutions provide the editors with access to academic journals, research databases, and digital collections, which the editors use to write and expand Wikipedia articles on topics of mutual interest. A dozen institutions, including Rutgers University, Brown University, and the University of Pittsburgh, are participating.

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  1. Fine, but by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even in the old days, you wouldn't use an Encyclopedia to get a general overview of a topic that you were unfamiliar with. For a topic you cared about, you would look for something more in-depth.

    Wikipedia is better than the old days because of the citations, and because of its greater breadth. However, it's not an authority on anything, and is often wrong. If it's a topic you care about, you need to look at the sources and citations. You can't use it for anything more than an entry-point to knowledge.

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    1. Re:Fine, but by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have always considered Wikipedia to be an overview and an index. It does rapidly collect some of the best articles on a given subject. Especially if you look in the history for citations that have been removed!

    2. Re:Fine, but by rnturn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ``Wikipedia is better than the old days because of the citations...''

      Oh, if I had a nickel for every Wikipedia reference that turned out to be a link to a page that no longer exists. It almost makes you wonder: Did that page ever exist? If it doesn't exist any more, why wouldn't someone editing pages clean it up? I can see why academics would balk at someone using Wikipedia as a source.

      ``You can't use it for anything more than an entry-point to knowledge.''

      There you go... spot on.

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    3. Re:Fine, but by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Oh, if I had a nickel for every Wikipedia reference that turned out to be a link to a page that no longer exists.

      You know what's even better than that? Finding out that Wikipedia has cited one of your web pages (on my personal vanity site, no less...) in an article which you cited on that very same page. One (me, in fact) wonders how many circular citations like this you can find on Wikipedia.

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    4. Re:Fine, but by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By the 8th grade in public schools, teachers stop accepting Encyclopedias as a source. I don't see why we should accept Wikipedia as a source either.

      This isn't to say that even in College or even Post-Grad work that Encyclopedias or now Wikipedia isn't useful for research, but it is used as a start of knowledge. Just because if you are looking at something new, you may not even know what questions to ask and what material to read up on, for you to actually get information needed to actually start the real research.

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  2. Some colleges embrace Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Citation neededÂ

  3. Why pay for a Wiki education? by xack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole point of higher education is that you are getting educated from a reliable source, and that the tuition you pay justifies it. If colleges are just going to tell you to read Wikipedia for four years then why bother going?

    1. Re:Why pay for a Wiki education? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If colleges are just going to tell you to read Wikipedia for four years then why bother going?

      The certificate that gets you past the auto-rejection algorithm at a job interview.

    2. Re:Why pay for a Wiki education? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The whole point of higher education is that you are getting educated from a reliable source, and that the tuition you pay justifies it. If colleges are just going to tell you to read Wikipedia for four years then why bother going?

      Education is moving away from the 19th century module of facts and figures, and into the 21st century of analysis. It's moving very slowly, but it's become obvious it's the way to go.

      Facts and figures were appropriate in the 19th century because it was hard to distribute, search and acquire information, so one could be more "educated" simply by knowing more. It's why tests are still a 19th century instrument of factual recall.

      But today, we have facts and figures at our fingertips. There's no need to memorize facts and figures anymore, because it's all so easily looked up in an instant. Rote memorization isn't as useful.

      Instead, the 21st century education system needs to go one further - given everyone has access to all the facts and figures, one needs to be able to analyze, evaluate and process them. The current education system is not set up to do this - to be able to take facts and figures, analyze them and figure out what's "fake news," "exaggerated," "contains omissions," or other errors. (Talking about real fabricated news here, not "news that puts Donald Trump in a less than positive light" "fake news"0.

      That's unfortunately where college education generally comes in - in general, that's where the skills necessary to function in today's world comes in .

  4. The"Wikipedia" Rewrite by DatbeDank · · Score: 2

    I was always quite fond of Wikipedia to simplify my researching and outlining needs. No need to copy it verbatim when you have direct primary citations and an outline ready to go. That's like 50% of the BS that goes into writing that busy work.

    Concerned somene will motice? Swap a section or two around. The burden of proof is on the over worked and under paid professor.

    Made getting through the stupid stuff that much better. I loved those fools who said, "But you'll never learn it and then be screwed when you're at your job and can't do it". Yeah joke's on you because most of the crap classes I had to write research papers in have zero bearing on what I'm doing today.

    1. Re:The"Wikipedia" Rewrite by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Concerned somene will motice? Swap a section or two around.

      Yes that doesn't work. It's usually blindingly obvious when the student has copied a source (paragraph swapping not withstanding) because 99 times out of 100 the writing is far more coherent.

      You think you're pulling a fast one, you're not. You probably got away with it because it's extra paperwork for the professor and hey it's your education.

      Yeah joke's on you because most of the crap classes I had to write research papers in have zero bearing on what I'm doing today.

      Wait so the joke's on them because you spent your money and got a narrower education than you could have done. Har har har! So funny! lol.

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    2. Re:The"Wikipedia" Rewrite by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes that doesn't work. It's usually blindingly obvious when the student has copied a source (paragraph swapping not withstanding) because 99 times out of 100 the writing is far more coherent.

      I think he was saying to use the article for you outline, and write your own text. As organizing your thoughts and presentation can take some time, I can see how this would help. But you would still be writing out the text, and may even have different conclusions... Disclaimer: When I was in school, there was no wikipedia...

  5. Also textbooks? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    The whole point of higher education is that you are getting educated from a reliable source, and that the tuition you pay justifies it. If colleges are just going to tell you to read Wikipedia for four years then why bother going?

    Most college courses teach from textbooks, too!

    Why go to college if you could just buy and read the textbooks?

    College is such a ripoff...

  6. never doubt the overall excellence of Wikipedia by swell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I vaguely recall noting 50 years ago that Encyclopedia Britannica was written by ~100 august scholars with impeccable credentials. So I assumed that these grey haired fossils essentially assigned their grad students to do whatever actual work or research was required. This did not inspire confidence. [yes, you may assume that now I am a grey haired fossil]

    This wiki thing is written by thousands of all ages and widely varying credentials. That is wonderful. Many are experts on only one topic and very current. Many have access to unique sources of information. Many are passionate about a topic or two. Yes, it's undoubtedly true that some will distort facts to meet their obsessions. I tend to believe that most are altruistic and bend over backward to uncover unbiased truth.

    I have never doubted the overall excellence of Wikipedia. Of course, an article about a controversial person, such as the current US president, may well be spiked with distortions. Such articles draw very emotional editors. We all know that and are cautious in our acceptance. But reading about most subjects should be reasonably worthwhile.

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