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The Next iPad Pros Will Shrink and Lose Their Headphone Jacks, Says Report (9to5mac.com)
According to supply chain blog Macotakara, the new iPad Pro models that will be introduced later this year will be slimmer, feature Face ID, and have no headphone jacks. 9to5Mac reports the details: First off, the report offers additional details on the 2018 iPad Pro dimensions. The 10.5-inch model is said to come in at 247.5mm (H) x 178.7mm (W) x 6mm (T), compared to the current dimensions of 250.6mm x 174.1mm x 6.1 mm. Meanwhile, the 12.9-inch iPad Pro is said to stack up at 280mm (H) x 215mm (W) x 6.4mm (T), which compares to the current-generation model at 305.7 x 220.6 x 6.9 mm. With these dimensions, it seems that Apple is focused more on reducing the overall footprint of the 12.9-inch model, fitting the same size display into a considerably smaller body. The report goes on to explain that Apple is likely to ditch the headphone jack with this year's iPad Pro models, a move the company first made with the iPhone 7. While Apple includes a Lightning to 3.5mm headphone adapter to ease the blow for iPhone users, it will not do the same for iPad Pro users, according to today's report.
Today's report corroborates that this year's iPad Pro models will feature Face ID, but it notes that there is no support for landscape Face ID as earlier reports had indicated. This presents an interesting problem for the iPad Pro, which is used commonly in landscape mode with accessories such as the Smart Keyboard. Macotakara notes, however, that Apple is moving the Smart Connector on this year's models to "the lower rear side -- close to the Lightning connector." What exactly this means is unclear, but the report explains that "the next iPad Pro Smart Keyboard may be changed to vertical position specifications." This is seemingly implying that the iPad Pro would dock vertically into the Smart Keyboard, but how that would work is vague at the moment.
Today's report corroborates that this year's iPad Pro models will feature Face ID, but it notes that there is no support for landscape Face ID as earlier reports had indicated. This presents an interesting problem for the iPad Pro, which is used commonly in landscape mode with accessories such as the Smart Keyboard. Macotakara notes, however, that Apple is moving the Smart Connector on this year's models to "the lower rear side -- close to the Lightning connector." What exactly this means is unclear, but the report explains that "the next iPad Pro Smart Keyboard may be changed to vertical position specifications." This is seemingly implying that the iPad Pro would dock vertically into the Smart Keyboard, but how that would work is vague at the moment.
Such courage!
It hasnt been an issue with phones and laptops so who cares about the ipad. Not even minor news anymore
How will I tether my new iPad to my butthole? All the current rectal attachments are made for the 3.5mm anus jack.
... and haven't used it since my last Mac died, over a decade ago.
Haven't been missing Apple, either.
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For my personal use, I have found that switching to a phone that uses only USB-C, the P20 Pro in this case, I didn't really care about the headphones jack: I thought it would bother me, but since head phones are included and an extra dongle is also there, I has not had an impact.
When I bike to work, I use a bluetooth sports style head set and in the car, I use Android auto and never head phones. I think it is technically illegal where I live to use headphones on both ears in the car anyhow.
It does remind me of the old says when companies would come out with weird proprietary connectors for headphones so that you would have to buy their special headphones if you wanted to listen to music on your phone. Now, you can buy a dongle from them. Sure, maybe they only make 1$ on it, but how many iphones did they sell?
Plus people will probably just buy new headphones with that lightning connector, which will be basically all profit.
Isn't that kind of like a Speak 'n' Spell "Pro"?
The Apple CEO lost his mind and needs a shrink, says report.
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It takes courage to sell something which was included in previous hardware iterations. It's kind of genius move on Apples part when people accept that they now have to buy extra dongles and also lose ability to charge the system while using the headphones which makes earlier replacement of hardware inevitable. Before at least the devices could be used with external audio hooked into charger but now that's gone.
Guess that people still need the headphone jack and are even willing pay extra for it:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/27/apple-headphone-jack-adapter-top-seller-best-buy/
and I have owned every single ipad obsessively for the past 4 generations (great resale value)
I do not subscribe to this bluetooth idiocy. I do not need a thinner ipad. I wouldn't mind the smaller bezel, I wouldn't mind it closer to 16:9. I wouldn't mind an OLED display for true blacks or even better camera / speakers. But overall I'm fairly happy with my ipad Pro 10.5 but I'll be if you think I'll upgrade for a unit with no headphone jack.
I find the lack of a thumb pad / home button already fairly offensive but the headphone jack on a device like that? Which people use on planes? Hell, god damned no.
Nope.
If that happened, Apple would basically be negatively impacting usability simply because it can’t solve an engineering problem.
There’s a reason 95% of monitors are used in landscape mode... so I can’t believe this rumor. But I almost want this to happen just so I can hear the logical contortions Schiller, Ive, and company attempt to make - perhaps Schiller will dust off his “can’t innovate, my ass!” line again.
Meanwhile, my 6S’s TouchID still works sideways and even upside down.
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*pushes up hipster glasses*
Can someone do that poem "first they came for the..." but using headphone jacks? I'm not clever enough.
...things Apple for their scurrilous business practices (If you have to ask, you just haven't been paying attention...) I would not be buying something without a headphone jack.
A feature of the upcoming iPad Pro update is that it will feature the ability not to be bought by me. That means one more for you, if, of course, you do not mind buying a defective-by-design piece of shit that is missing a headphone jack. Have too much money and not enough brains? Consider the new upcoming iPad Pro.
Well, it is a rumor, lets see (probably) in September what will be true. FaceID only working vertically would be a bit of a pain, considering that Apple, like them or not, tend to aim for simplicity it looks well possible that this rumor won't happen.
Regarding the headphone jack, yeah it is a bit annoying though the little dongle which you can leave attached to your favourite cans is not that much of a burden, and I also have the impression that the Airpods are being used by more and more people (I may adopt them once they come with noise reduction, currently use a wired Bose headphone with that functionality). So, not that many customers will be lost I think.
I expect that a bigger change will come in 2-3 years: phones and tablets without any physical connectors (charging would be wireless). Not only by Apple but I expect all the main makers. A feature that would actually help privacy but of course wired cans and data transfers will be impossible as well.
Donâ(TM)t worry. The headphone jack on my 10.5â iPad Pro purchased in Dec is already bad.
This is all the fault of Apple care. No one used to buy it so they have made it mandatory by lowering the quality of their products. Things like earphone jacks break the day before the included warranty expires, just like with Dells non latitude laptops.
I just got an iPhone 8+ because Best Buy had buy one get one free and I no longer care if I have the premier phone available....but this is it for Apple for me. The iPad Pro and the new iPhone will be made intentionally obsolete by Apple around the same time. At that time Iâ(TM)m going to use my laptop instead of a tablet like I used to, buy whatever the equivalent of a Moto x4 is for $200, and thatâ(TM)s it.
Just play all your music / phone conversations out loud. I'm sure everyone around you won't mind listening to the latest pop hit or whether you'll have time to pick up the dog's worming tablets after work tonight.
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Apple, your excuse last time for removing the headphone jack was to make room and meet the demand of being able to essentially waterproof the hardware.
What's your bullshit excuse this time? iPad Pro customers were actually demanding a smaller bezel? They asked to remove the headphone jack? Spin me another tall tale, O' Faithful master of the Proprietary, because you sure as shit can't offer me any proof that people asked for this.
You call it "courage". I call it Corporate Arrogance. And I hope you eventually learn that not listening to the customer is not the way to do business.
How about 1mm thick? Because that's what everybody is obviously asking for.
how that would work is vague at the moment.
Working is of little concern. This is Apple. How it looks is all that matters.
The Next iPad consumer base will Shrink and they will loose their "shit" over the lack of a headphone jack
Looks like the whole idiocy of closing the analog hole is alive and well, and here is matches with the only way Tim Cook can keep the earnings up to the shareholder expectations: charge for access to the Apple devices.
Also, he is backed into a corner by the company's previous financial success.
Rest assured that the only headphones that will work with the iPad will be Apple's own and will cost accordingly. Same with all the proprietary connectors on the Mac. All the dongles and adapters cost a fortune.
It was an Apple executive who said "Next time there will be no Xerox". Well, that next time is now.
The charger outlet is one of the parts that tend to die in many phones and tablets, forcing people to buy a new one. Why allow wireless charging and hurt that wonderful revenue stream?
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
Apple continues their paralysis as their version of innovation is merely making small incremental changes to capacity, processor, camera - or taking ports away. That's not being brave, it's screwing your customer and we're sick of it.
They're missing the boat and should visit Tokyo and see the all out frenzy over portable music players (DAP, DACs, etc) because phones simply aren't delivering quality music.
LG got it right with their V30 / V35 phones which are high quality audio devices and other manufacturers are catching on. Microsoft will soon release a new device that will be a game changer and Apple is over here saying "Let's move the keyboard connection to the side. Brilliant innovation!"
Ironically, I find Bluetooth noise cancelling headphones awesome on planes. Cords suck on planes for getting snagged.
"I'd love to listen to music, but I forgot to (charge my headphones|grab the right digital adapter dongle)," said a whole bunch of rich, stupid, shortsighted trendhumpers.
>"The Next iPad Pros Will Shrink and Lose Their Headphone Jacks"
No, they won't just shrink, they will just get thinner- smaller batteries to be thinner, more fragile, harder to hold, more impossible to repair, less cooling mass, and more stupid. Next up, delete ALL physical ports and rely only on wireless charging, making sure there is no way to easily connect ANYTHING to the device. Oh, might as well delete the "useless" speakers and mic, too, and force people to use only wireless headphones and wireless mic...
While end-users do not seem to have picked up on this yet, "biometric" authentication is a security failure, and face recognition makes it even worse.
That's a bit like claiming that door locks on the front of your house are a security failure because they can be defeated. Most people at most times don't actually need or want strong security - they are just keeping out the casual snoopers. You're quite right that if you are serious about security it isn't enough by itself but for most people they don't need more than this. The good news is that you can enable other features (like requiring pass codes) to make it more secure.
I warned about this long ago.
So did lots of others. We're aware.
If you think it's bad someone can get your fingerprint while you sleep, wait until it's your face.
Is this a big problem where you live? Are you a secret agent? If I have to be worried about someone being in my house while I sleep I'm worried about them BEING IN MY HOUSE, not using my iPad. Seriously, let's worry about actual problems before we worry about the ones from a James Bond film.
between my bluetooth headphones running out of battery
How much music are you listening to that you drain the batteries and can't take a few minutes to recharge? A pair of airpods charges for 3-5 hours of playback in 15 minutes. I'm sure the competitors are similar if you don't like Apple's offering. Heck you can listen with one in while the other charges if you really bear to stop listening for a few minutes. Plus there are bluetooth receivers if you prefer wired headphones for whatever reason.
and having to own 3 extra dongles
What are you doing that requires three different dongles on a routine basis? Not being snide, just genuinely curious. I have one for a headphone jack that I've used precisely once in the last year and a half and I have a lighting to USB for transferring pictures from my SLR camera that I use now and then. But really most things can be done wireless unless you are being obstinate about the method you connect with.
Dropping the 3.5mm port didn't affect iPhones because everyone buys a case and a lot of those started including 3.5mm ports.
Which actually makes a lot more sense when you think about it. Not everyone actually needs/wants a 3.5mm port (I have no use for it) but almost everyone buys a case. Therefore it actually makes sense to move that functionality to the case for those who want it and to free those who don't need it from an unnecessary port. If you really want a 3.5mm port that's cool but in the unix philosophy I prefer to add complexity through add on modules rather than to bake it into the core product whether or not it is actually needed.
I don't know how popular iPad cases are, but I bet a number of people are going to start buying them.
What I wonder is why Apple doesn't take the cases more seriously. Their case offerings amount to little more than afterthoughts and badly designed ones at that for the most part. They introduce the Apple Pencil but provide no place to store it. Their screen protectors are clumsy sloppy afterthroughts. Their battery cases are terrible designs. It would make a lot of sense for Apple to make a phone to case interface so cases could be smarter and do more interesting things without the hack of hijacking the lightning port.
I would not be buying something without a headphone jack.
Given that Apple is selling about 50 million iPhones every quarter I think it is safe to say that you are an outlier with this opinion. That's not to say your opinion is invalid but just that it obviously isn't widely shared. Good news for you is that there are plenty of options other than Apple for you.
What's your bullshit excuse this time? iPad Pro customers were actually demanding a smaller bezel?
Henry Ford once said "If I asked my customers what they wanted they would say 'a faster horse' ". Apple hasn't become the Goliath they are by polling customers about what they think they want or by waiting for customers to tell them. Their job is to figure out what their customers need/want before we figure it out. If they fail in this task then Apple will struggle in future years but so far they've done ok. Honestly I think certain people's attachment to the current design (like bezel size) is more of an assumption than a real world requirement. But if I'm wrong then Apple's iPad sales will reflect that so I don't really see it as a problem. They removed most of the bezel from the iPhone X and after having used one for a year it has presented me precisely zero problems. It's reasonable that the same logic might hold for the iPad.
They asked to remove the headphone jack?
If the headphone jack is so precious to you there are plenty of options for you to get one on other devices or to add it to Apple devices. If you calm down for a moment it actually makes sense to remove it because not every user needs it. A far more sensible approach is to put the headphone jack on the cases that almost every user adds to their devices anyway. (Apple kind of missed this to be honest but the logic is still there) Think of it kind of like how unix is built. Make the core components as simple and elegant as possible and don't require features that only some will use on the core system.
Personally I'm fine with the headphone jack being removed since I really didn't use it anyway and clearly I'm not alone it this. When I do use headphones bluetooth ones serve me better anyway. Apple sells 50 million iPhones per quarter so obviously there is a huge customer segment that is good with what they are doing. If your needs are different that's totally fine but Apple has to do what is best for Apple and what they think is best for their customers.
This article is so "oh I don't give a singing duck about it".
Just the other day I was complaining about too much choice in the headphone market. By systematically eliminating all the wired options this is positively awesome for consumers. Apple helping simplify technology yet again.
And in case anyone doesn't see that for the obvious sarcasm it is, extend your right hand, make a fist, and then as quickly as possible move your clenched fist to the back of your head in a straight line.
I hope Apple isn't going to a vertical keyboard. This would be incredibly stupid for a number of reasons. One being that video watching is a major use (maybe even THE use case), and vertical would suck.
The excuse given for iPhone 7 that the case isn't big enough for headphones doesn't wash either. Apple's minimalism is going too far, and I'm not sure how much more I can stomach.
Yep lets loose the headphone jack and still call it a "pro" device. Makes sense in Apple's distorted view of what a "pro" device is all about. Someone at Apple must loose sleep at night because a device has way too many ugly ports on them. Yeah Mac's are just pretty and dysfunctional products anymore. Steve Jobs would be appalled at how Apple has sided with a boutique line up these days.
A lot of people (myself included) like to plug in if they are sitting at a desk, period.
Which is fine but I'm curious why wireless earphones isn't a viable option for this?
Why take the chance of running out of battery later in the day?
Multiple solutions to this if it is something you are genuinely worried about. And frankly I've never needed to charge my phone more than once mid-day even with near continuous usage unless the battery was dying. And bluetooth headphones last hours at a stretch and recharge in minutes.
Maybe you're going to go home and go for a run and you need almost a full charge to run the GPS.
That's a pretty darn long run! Though you do know that you do not need a GPS to go for a run, right?
Also, I listen to audio books at night.. So when to charge then?
During your commute. During meetings. During meals. With a battery pack while on the go. While you sleep. There are fast charge options available for the iPhone - for $ of course which can charge a phone roughly 50% in 30 minutes. Are you seriously going to claim that you use your device so much that you never have time to charge? If you want to use a wired set so you don't have to bother I don't buy claims that you can't find time to charge.
The current executive team at Apple didn't make them the Goliath they are either.
Yeah actually they did. It's mostly the same people. There has been some turnover of course but a lot of the same players are still there and have been there a long time. If you think Steve Jobs did it all by his lonesome then you don't know how actual companies work in the real world. Tim Cook has been a high level executive since 1998. Jon Ivey has been there since 1992 and has been head of design since 1997. Lots of the other senior management has been there similar lengths of time.
and feel no need to upgrade.
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15 model variants of the Galaxy S III - Dimensions; 136.6-139,0 mm × 70.6-71.0 mm × 8.6-9.4 mm
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Less and less is better. Until an empty iPad box gives you the full effect.
Have gnu, will travel.
Apple retreats its BIG analogy naming convention. Small is better. Less risk to breakage, damage and theft.
Stuff an iPad mini with features like folding keyboard and wireless everything - that's real world Pro.
Travel requires going places; NOT going BIG. Folding keyboard in a vest pocket, MiniPAD slipped in vest lining pocket; earphones and charge cord/plug stuffed in hand warmers; good worldwide.
iPad Pro with BIG 10-12" screens are just Huuuge 4x4 SUV's going BIG not going places and getting things done. You can't take them anywhere outside the US. Instantly, you are a target for theft. Break it and good luck getting it fixed too.
Apple is making their devices more and more like toys for the techo-addicted to play with. An old headphone jack is too simple. Apple's customers want more gee-gaws to dick around with. That's their customer base.
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Using OLEDs would probably cut down on the lifespan, and thus resale value, of an iPod./p.
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Only the most loyal of fanboys could advocate for the removal of a feature that doesn't add any significant cost or require a large change in the design.
Only the most loyal fanboy's huh? Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion or preferences doesn't make them an irrational fanboy. I hold the same opinion for Android devices. I think putting the headphone jack on the device doesn't make much sense regardless of who the smartphone maker is. And as long as there are some manufacturers putting it on the base device why do you really care? It makes a lot more sense to put it on the case that the vast majority of people use anyway. Cases are frankly an overlooked opportunity to make the hardware more modular than it currently is.
When you are producing something in the millions there is no such thing as an insignificant cost. Even something as simple as a headphone jack carries a lot of costs that most people don't even think about. There are engineering, design, tooling, warranty, and opportunity costs just for a start. By eliminating this port Apple eliminates a point of failure, reduces the component cost, makes the engineering and tooling cheaper, and reduces service costs for the inevitable problems in the field. Even if this just saves a few cents per phone at the end of the day that adds up to millions of dollars in profit to Apple since Apple sells hundreds of millions of these things every year. I assure you that fact is not lost on Apple. There is a cost to supporting legacy ports and it's pretty easy to evaluate.
If moving the headphone jack to a case makes so much sense, what advantages does it offer?
It offers the advantage of not having an unnecessary port for those who don't want it and it frees up that space to be used for some other purpose on the phone. Personally I'll take a marginally larger battery over a headphone port every time. Since most people add a case to their device anyway it makes sense for people who want the now optional jack to buy a case with the jack built in.
Do those advantages outweigh the utility of people who don't want to ensnare their device in a case
You mean all three of them? This isn't really a point of debate.
or have to remember to bring an adapter or buy a pair of wireless headphones that also need to be charged?
If you are bringing headphones anyway I doubt you're going to forget. And obviously Apple is targeting people who don't mind charging wireless headphones. If this isn't you then buy something that suits you. You don't have to buy Apple and Apple doesn't have to design their products to suit you.
OMFG, it's .1mm thinner, and no headphone jack - MUST...BUY...NOW!!!!!!111!11one!
Seriously...who the FUCK is asking for this?
Shove them up your ass.
Apple has moved from actively growing its user base to exploiting its user base, such is the way with all publically traded companies. I guess their former mad dictator that I, myself, loved to hate was the only thing holding back the MBAs. Abandon ship.
And so my interest in the next iPad Pro will also shrink and drop off the next release.
I find the lack of a thumb pad / home button already fairly offensive but the headphone jack on a device like that? Which people use on planes? Hell, god damned no.
Nope.
Every airline I've flown with allow Bluetooth these days except at takeoff and landing. The FAA has also rated "short range Bluetooth devices" as safe. Every single serious test I have every seen indicates that interference from electronic devices has zero effects on an aircraft's avionics except maybe (very remote possibility) at takeoff and landing.
Your balls should be removed.
User Hostile, nobody wants this. Actively making your product worse just to force users into buy $150 headphones that nobody wants that you have to recharge every day and will be dead in a few years.
Fucking Stupid
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
apple all ready has them.
They already have lots of snakes and dongles you can purchase, to plug in your "legacy" headphones.