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The Next iPad Pros Will Shrink and Lose Their Headphone Jacks, Says Report (9to5mac.com)
According to supply chain blog Macotakara, the new iPad Pro models that will be introduced later this year will be slimmer, feature Face ID, and have no headphone jacks. 9to5Mac reports the details: First off, the report offers additional details on the 2018 iPad Pro dimensions. The 10.5-inch model is said to come in at 247.5mm (H) x 178.7mm (W) x 6mm (T), compared to the current dimensions of 250.6mm x 174.1mm x 6.1 mm. Meanwhile, the 12.9-inch iPad Pro is said to stack up at 280mm (H) x 215mm (W) x 6.4mm (T), which compares to the current-generation model at 305.7 x 220.6 x 6.9 mm. With these dimensions, it seems that Apple is focused more on reducing the overall footprint of the 12.9-inch model, fitting the same size display into a considerably smaller body. The report goes on to explain that Apple is likely to ditch the headphone jack with this year's iPad Pro models, a move the company first made with the iPhone 7. While Apple includes a Lightning to 3.5mm headphone adapter to ease the blow for iPhone users, it will not do the same for iPad Pro users, according to today's report.
Today's report corroborates that this year's iPad Pro models will feature Face ID, but it notes that there is no support for landscape Face ID as earlier reports had indicated. This presents an interesting problem for the iPad Pro, which is used commonly in landscape mode with accessories such as the Smart Keyboard. Macotakara notes, however, that Apple is moving the Smart Connector on this year's models to "the lower rear side -- close to the Lightning connector." What exactly this means is unclear, but the report explains that "the next iPad Pro Smart Keyboard may be changed to vertical position specifications." This is seemingly implying that the iPad Pro would dock vertically into the Smart Keyboard, but how that would work is vague at the moment.
Today's report corroborates that this year's iPad Pro models will feature Face ID, but it notes that there is no support for landscape Face ID as earlier reports had indicated. This presents an interesting problem for the iPad Pro, which is used commonly in landscape mode with accessories such as the Smart Keyboard. Macotakara notes, however, that Apple is moving the Smart Connector on this year's models to "the lower rear side -- close to the Lightning connector." What exactly this means is unclear, but the report explains that "the next iPad Pro Smart Keyboard may be changed to vertical position specifications." This is seemingly implying that the iPad Pro would dock vertically into the Smart Keyboard, but how that would work is vague at the moment.
Such courage!
It hasnt been an issue with phones and laptops so who cares about the ipad. Not even minor news anymore
How will I tether my new iPad to my butthole? All the current rectal attachments are made for the 3.5mm anus jack.
For my personal use, I have found that switching to a phone that uses only USB-C, the P20 Pro in this case, I didn't really care about the headphones jack: I thought it would bother me, but since head phones are included and an extra dongle is also there, I has not had an impact.
When I bike to work, I use a bluetooth sports style head set and in the car, I use Android auto and never head phones. I think it is technically illegal where I live to use headphones on both ears in the car anyhow.
It does remind me of the old says when companies would come out with weird proprietary connectors for headphones so that you would have to buy their special headphones if you wanted to listen to music on your phone. Now, you can buy a dongle from them. Sure, maybe they only make 1$ on it, but how many iphones did they sell?
Plus people will probably just buy new headphones with that lightning connector, which will be basically all profit.
Isn't that kind of like a Speak 'n' Spell "Pro"?
The Apple CEO lost his mind and needs a shrink, says report.
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and I have owned every single ipad obsessively for the past 4 generations (great resale value)
I do not subscribe to this bluetooth idiocy. I do not need a thinner ipad. I wouldn't mind the smaller bezel, I wouldn't mind it closer to 16:9. I wouldn't mind an OLED display for true blacks or even better camera / speakers. But overall I'm fairly happy with my ipad Pro 10.5 but I'll be if you think I'll upgrade for a unit with no headphone jack.
I find the lack of a thumb pad / home button already fairly offensive but the headphone jack on a device like that? Which people use on planes? Hell, god damned no.
Nope.
If that happened, Apple would basically be negatively impacting usability simply because it can’t solve an engineering problem.
There’s a reason 95% of monitors are used in landscape mode... so I can’t believe this rumor. But I almost want this to happen just so I can hear the logical contortions Schiller, Ive, and company attempt to make - perhaps Schiller will dust off his “can’t innovate, my ass!” line again.
Meanwhile, my 6S’s TouchID still works sideways and even upside down.
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...things Apple for their scurrilous business practices (If you have to ask, you just haven't been paying attention...) I would not be buying something without a headphone jack.
Well, it is a rumor, lets see (probably) in September what will be true. FaceID only working vertically would be a bit of a pain, considering that Apple, like them or not, tend to aim for simplicity it looks well possible that this rumor won't happen.
Regarding the headphone jack, yeah it is a bit annoying though the little dongle which you can leave attached to your favourite cans is not that much of a burden, and I also have the impression that the Airpods are being used by more and more people (I may adopt them once they come with noise reduction, currently use a wired Bose headphone with that functionality). So, not that many customers will be lost I think.
I expect that a bigger change will come in 2-3 years: phones and tablets without any physical connectors (charging would be wireless). Not only by Apple but I expect all the main makers. A feature that would actually help privacy but of course wired cans and data transfers will be impossible as well.
Just play all your music / phone conversations out loud. I'm sure everyone around you won't mind listening to the latest pop hit or whether you'll have time to pick up the dog's worming tablets after work tonight.
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Apple, your excuse last time for removing the headphone jack was to make room and meet the demand of being able to essentially waterproof the hardware.
What's your bullshit excuse this time? iPad Pro customers were actually demanding a smaller bezel? They asked to remove the headphone jack? Spin me another tall tale, O' Faithful master of the Proprietary, because you sure as shit can't offer me any proof that people asked for this.
You call it "courage". I call it Corporate Arrogance. And I hope you eventually learn that not listening to the customer is not the way to do business.
How about 1mm thick? Because that's what everybody is obviously asking for.
Looks like the whole idiocy of closing the analog hole is alive and well, and here is matches with the only way Tim Cook can keep the earnings up to the shareholder expectations: charge for access to the Apple devices.
Also, he is backed into a corner by the company's previous financial success.
Rest assured that the only headphones that will work with the iPad will be Apple's own and will cost accordingly. Same with all the proprietary connectors on the Mac. All the dongles and adapters cost a fortune.
It was an Apple executive who said "Next time there will be no Xerox". Well, that next time is now.
The charger outlet is one of the parts that tend to die in many phones and tablets, forcing people to buy a new one. Why allow wireless charging and hurt that wonderful revenue stream?
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apple hasn't innovated... like ever.
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I know that job's mob, just like hilary's mob, will troll-mod me, but hey, here's the truth.
Deal with it.
>"The Next iPad Pros Will Shrink and Lose Their Headphone Jacks"
No, they won't just shrink, they will just get thinner- smaller batteries to be thinner, more fragile, harder to hold, more impossible to repair, less cooling mass, and more stupid. Next up, delete ALL physical ports and rely only on wireless charging, making sure there is no way to easily connect ANYTHING to the device. Oh, might as well delete the "useless" speakers and mic, too, and force people to use only wireless headphones and wireless mic...
While end-users do not seem to have picked up on this yet, "biometric" authentication is a security failure, and face recognition makes it even worse.
That's a bit like claiming that door locks on the front of your house are a security failure because they can be defeated. Most people at most times don't actually need or want strong security - they are just keeping out the casual snoopers. You're quite right that if you are serious about security it isn't enough by itself but for most people they don't need more than this. The good news is that you can enable other features (like requiring pass codes) to make it more secure.
I warned about this long ago.
So did lots of others. We're aware.
If you think it's bad someone can get your fingerprint while you sleep, wait until it's your face.
Is this a big problem where you live? Are you a secret agent? If I have to be worried about someone being in my house while I sleep I'm worried about them BEING IN MY HOUSE, not using my iPad. Seriously, let's worry about actual problems before we worry about the ones from a James Bond film.
Dropping the 3.5mm port didn't affect iPhones because everyone buys a case and a lot of those started including 3.5mm ports.
Which actually makes a lot more sense when you think about it. Not everyone actually needs/wants a 3.5mm port (I have no use for it) but almost everyone buys a case. Therefore it actually makes sense to move that functionality to the case for those who want it and to free those who don't need it from an unnecessary port. If you really want a 3.5mm port that's cool but in the unix philosophy I prefer to add complexity through add on modules rather than to bake it into the core product whether or not it is actually needed.
I don't know how popular iPad cases are, but I bet a number of people are going to start buying them.
What I wonder is why Apple doesn't take the cases more seriously. Their case offerings amount to little more than afterthoughts and badly designed ones at that for the most part. They introduce the Apple Pencil but provide no place to store it. Their screen protectors are clumsy sloppy afterthroughts. Their battery cases are terrible designs. It would make a lot of sense for Apple to make a phone to case interface so cases could be smarter and do more interesting things without the hack of hijacking the lightning port.
What's your bullshit excuse this time? iPad Pro customers were actually demanding a smaller bezel?
Henry Ford once said "If I asked my customers what they wanted they would say 'a faster horse' ". Apple hasn't become the Goliath they are by polling customers about what they think they want or by waiting for customers to tell them. Their job is to figure out what their customers need/want before we figure it out. If they fail in this task then Apple will struggle in future years but so far they've done ok. Honestly I think certain people's attachment to the current design (like bezel size) is more of an assumption than a real world requirement. But if I'm wrong then Apple's iPad sales will reflect that so I don't really see it as a problem. They removed most of the bezel from the iPhone X and after having used one for a year it has presented me precisely zero problems. It's reasonable that the same logic might hold for the iPad.
They asked to remove the headphone jack?
If the headphone jack is so precious to you there are plenty of options for you to get one on other devices or to add it to Apple devices. If you calm down for a moment it actually makes sense to remove it because not every user needs it. A far more sensible approach is to put the headphone jack on the cases that almost every user adds to their devices anyway. (Apple kind of missed this to be honest but the logic is still there) Think of it kind of like how unix is built. Make the core components as simple and elegant as possible and don't require features that only some will use on the core system.
Personally I'm fine with the headphone jack being removed since I really didn't use it anyway and clearly I'm not alone it this. When I do use headphones bluetooth ones serve me better anyway. Apple sells 50 million iPhones per quarter so obviously there is a huge customer segment that is good with what they are doing. If your needs are different that's totally fine but Apple has to do what is best for Apple and what they think is best for their customers.
Just the other day I was complaining about too much choice in the headphone market. By systematically eliminating all the wired options this is positively awesome for consumers. Apple helping simplify technology yet again.
And in case anyone doesn't see that for the obvious sarcasm it is, extend your right hand, make a fist, and then as quickly as possible move your clenched fist to the back of your head in a straight line.
I hope Apple isn't going to a vertical keyboard. This would be incredibly stupid for a number of reasons. One being that video watching is a major use (maybe even THE use case), and vertical would suck.
The excuse given for iPhone 7 that the case isn't big enough for headphones doesn't wash either. Apple's minimalism is going too far, and I'm not sure how much more I can stomach.
A lot of people (myself included) like to plug in if they are sitting at a desk, period. Why take the chance of running out of battery later in the day? Maybe you're going to go home and go for a run and you need almost a full charge to run the GPS. Also, I listen to audio books at night.. So when to charge then?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
A lot of people (myself included) like to plug in if they are sitting at a desk, period.
Which is fine but I'm curious why wireless earphones isn't a viable option for this?
Why take the chance of running out of battery later in the day?
Multiple solutions to this if it is something you are genuinely worried about. And frankly I've never needed to charge my phone more than once mid-day even with near continuous usage unless the battery was dying. And bluetooth headphones last hours at a stretch and recharge in minutes.
Maybe you're going to go home and go for a run and you need almost a full charge to run the GPS.
That's a pretty darn long run! Though you do know that you do not need a GPS to go for a run, right?
Also, I listen to audio books at night.. So when to charge then?
During your commute. During meetings. During meals. With a battery pack while on the go. While you sleep. There are fast charge options available for the iPhone - for $ of course which can charge a phone roughly 50% in 30 minutes. Are you seriously going to claim that you use your device so much that you never have time to charge? If you want to use a wired set so you don't have to bother I don't buy claims that you can't find time to charge.
The current executive team at Apple didn't make them the Goliath they are either.
Yeah actually they did. It's mostly the same people. There has been some turnover of course but a lot of the same players are still there and have been there a long time. If you think Steve Jobs did it all by his lonesome then you don't know how actual companies work in the real world. Tim Cook has been a high level executive since 1998. Jon Ivey has been there since 1992 and has been head of design since 1997. Lots of the other senior management has been there similar lengths of time.
and feel no need to upgrade.
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iOS does not suppotr Aptx/AptxHD nor does it support LDAC. Android supports both. You can play high res (24/96 or higher) and DSD on Android - not on iOS. Apple doesn't really care about high quality audio for portable applications...
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Less and less is better. Until an empty iPad box gives you the full effect.
Have gnu, will travel.
Apple retreats its BIG analogy naming convention. Small is better. Less risk to breakage, damage and theft.
Stuff an iPad mini with features like folding keyboard and wireless everything - that's real world Pro.
Travel requires going places; NOT going BIG. Folding keyboard in a vest pocket, MiniPAD slipped in vest lining pocket; earphones and charge cord/plug stuffed in hand warmers; good worldwide.
iPad Pro with BIG 10-12" screens are just Huuuge 4x4 SUV's going BIG not going places and getting things done. You can't take them anywhere outside the US. Instantly, you are a target for theft. Break it and good luck getting it fixed too.
Apple is making their devices more and more like toys for the techo-addicted to play with. An old headphone jack is too simple. Apple's customers want more gee-gaws to dick around with. That's their customer base.
I don't respond to AC's.
Using OLEDs would probably cut down on the lifespan, and thus resale value, of an iPod./p.
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Only the most loyal of fanboys could advocate for the removal of a feature that doesn't add any significant cost or require a large change in the design.
Only the most loyal fanboy's huh? Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion or preferences doesn't make them an irrational fanboy. I hold the same opinion for Android devices. I think putting the headphone jack on the device doesn't make much sense regardless of who the smartphone maker is. And as long as there are some manufacturers putting it on the base device why do you really care? It makes a lot more sense to put it on the case that the vast majority of people use anyway. Cases are frankly an overlooked opportunity to make the hardware more modular than it currently is.
When you are producing something in the millions there is no such thing as an insignificant cost. Even something as simple as a headphone jack carries a lot of costs that most people don't even think about. There are engineering, design, tooling, warranty, and opportunity costs just for a start. By eliminating this port Apple eliminates a point of failure, reduces the component cost, makes the engineering and tooling cheaper, and reduces service costs for the inevitable problems in the field. Even if this just saves a few cents per phone at the end of the day that adds up to millions of dollars in profit to Apple since Apple sells hundreds of millions of these things every year. I assure you that fact is not lost on Apple. There is a cost to supporting legacy ports and it's pretty easy to evaluate.
If moving the headphone jack to a case makes so much sense, what advantages does it offer?
It offers the advantage of not having an unnecessary port for those who don't want it and it frees up that space to be used for some other purpose on the phone. Personally I'll take a marginally larger battery over a headphone port every time. Since most people add a case to their device anyway it makes sense for people who want the now optional jack to buy a case with the jack built in.
Do those advantages outweigh the utility of people who don't want to ensnare their device in a case
You mean all three of them? This isn't really a point of debate.
or have to remember to bring an adapter or buy a pair of wireless headphones that also need to be charged?
If you are bringing headphones anyway I doubt you're going to forget. And obviously Apple is targeting people who don't mind charging wireless headphones. If this isn't you then buy something that suits you. You don't have to buy Apple and Apple doesn't have to design their products to suit you.
A lot of people (myself included) like to plug in if they are sitting at a desk, period. Why take the chance of running out of battery later in the day? Maybe you're going to go home and go for a run and you need almost a full charge to run the GPS. Also, I listen to audio books at night.. So when to charge then?
So, throw a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter in your desk and one in your backpack, and you should be good to go.
First world problems.
iOS does not suppotr Aptx/AptxHD nor does it support LDAC. Android supports both. You can play high res (24/96 or higher) and DSD on Android - not on iOS. Apple doesn't really care about high quality audio for portable applications...
I am a BIG fan of high bitrate/bit-depth audio at home. I have a medium-sized DVD-A collection and an Oppo DVD/DVD-A Player to play them on. So, suffice it to say that I understand the advantages of high-fidelity digital audio recording and playback.
HOWEVER, there is not ONE human being on this planet, and quite frankly, few DOGS, that can distinguish a Meridian Lossless 24/96 playback in a MOBILE setting from anything over a 160 kB/sec AAC-encoded version. And MOST people, including "golden ears" types, cannot even distinguish 128 k AAC from non-encoded PCM or even analog, in an A/B/X listening test. It's been proven time and again.
So, Apple's decision to not LICENSE AptX for iOS is a QUITE reasonable one.
So I have to have my files in two different encodings? Hi res for home, and low res for mobile? Really? That's what you consider "it just works"? Why not make iOS support high resolution files? Why not support AptX (which includes low latency, so you don't get 60+ msec of latency when watching movies) on iOS, since macOS supports AptX? Oh - that's right, Apple didn't use the CSR chipsets in the iPhone...
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So I have to have my files in two different encodings? Hi res for home, and low res for mobile? Really? That's what you consider "it just works"? Why not make iOS support high resolution files? Why not support AptX (which includes low latency, so you don't get 60+ msec of latency when watching movies) on iOS, since macOS supports AptX? Oh - that's right, Apple didn't use the CSR chipsets in the iPhone...
iTunes will export low-bitrate copies of your tracks to your mobile device. They have done that for years, now.
I can't find anything to support a latency of 60ms + on iOS. That much delay would also be VERY visible to almost everybody.
Oh FFS stop with the excessive dongle is a "solution" bullshit. We don't need more fucking dongles; we need LESS of them.
Nice straw man of "first world problems" -- the fucking problem was CREATED by Apple, not us. We were able to both listen AND charge our phones with the previous phone(s). We _already_ have wired headphones that work -- we don't need to buy overpriced, crappy, wireless ones.
Quite astroturfing already.
Here you go. AAC is simply a different codec running on the SBC channel of Bluetooth audio. Latency up to several hundred milliseconds.
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I find the lack of a thumb pad / home button already fairly offensive but the headphone jack on a device like that? Which people use on planes? Hell, god damned no.
Nope.
Every airline I've flown with allow Bluetooth these days except at takeoff and landing. The FAA has also rated "short range Bluetooth devices" as safe. Every single serious test I have every seen indicates that interference from electronic devices has zero effects on an aircraft's avionics except maybe (very remote possibility) at takeoff and landing.
Here you go. AAC is simply a different codec running on the SBC channel of Bluetooth audio. Latency up to several hundred milliseconds.
AAC does NOT run on SBC. SBC is it's own thing, just like AAC and AptX.
You're an idiot if you don't see that that "article" is deliberately vague.
User Hostile, nobody wants this. Actively making your product worse just to force users into buy $150 headphones that nobody wants that you have to recharge every day and will be dead in a few years.
Fucking Stupid
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Learn how audio channels are sent. AAC uses the same protocol and packet size as SBC and thus has the same latency. Aptx has different packet sizing so it can send more information with the same latency as SBC/AAC - and Aptx LL sends smaller packets so the latency is less. But you're an ignorant fool who's an Apple tool, so - no surprise.
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They already have lots of snakes and dongles you can purchase, to plug in your "legacy" headphones.