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Apple Hired Scores of Ex-Tesla Employees This Year (cnbc.com)
According to CNBC, citing current and former Tesla employees and LinkedIn, Apple has hired scores of employees from Tesla since late 2017, including manufacturing, security and software engineers, as well as supply chain experts. The report mentions that they're hiring Tesla employees not just for the company's Project Titan self-driving car project, but for its other products too. From the report: In 2018 so far, LinkedIn data shows Apple has hired at least 46 people who worked at Tesla directly before joining the consumer electronics juggernaut. Eight of these were engineering interns. This year Apple has also hired former Tesla Autopilot, QA, Powertrain, mechanical design and firmware engineers, and several global supply chain managers. Some employees joined directly from Tesla, while others had been dismissed or laid off before joining Apple. Some ex-Tesla employees who joined Apple this year have not yet updated their public social media profiles with their new career info. That includes Apple's most noteworthy hire, Doug Field, Tesla's former Senior Vice President of Engineering. Tesla disputes CNBC's report, saying that voluntary attrition has decreased by one-third over the last twelve months, and that it has recently added talent from Apple and other companies. Regarding competition with Apple for talent, a Tesla spokesperson said, "We wish them well. Tesla is the hard path. We have 100 times less money than Apple, so of course they can afford to pay more. We are in extremely difficult battles against entrenched auto companies that make 100 times more cars than we did last year, so of course this is very hard work."
So basically Screw the lazy asses?
Could have put a little bit more grace and a little bit less butt-hurt into the statement but I'll agree on one thing: How is it news that a few of your employees are hired by Apple unless the number represents a major chunk of your workforce?
Now that there's no visionary asshole at the top.
Google and Apple have the funds to build a new car line. So far, nothing out of either of them.
This hiring shows that Apple might finally be getting ready to do so. One question would be, will they stay in the states?
Another would be would Apple consider buying a company like Rivan?
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
If you open the door to an Apple car, do you void the warranty? Do you get to replace the car battery, or do you need to drive to your nearest Apple genius?
Apparently, working for Tesla is now officially a shit show: https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/...
10 trillion dollar petrol industry = a whole lot of FUD
...because they're used to shit employment terms and conditions, so they'll be cheap and easy...
All car companies are racing to copy Apple's car's windscreen notch in their newer cars..
Why do they hire in lots of twenty people at a time?
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
...be careful not to hire Elon Musk when he quits.
Real fun figuring out a one button car.
collude to set job descriptions, benefits, and salaries in order to "maintain stability" in the work force? I'm shocked at this is very un-silicon valley-like behavior.
What a wonderful, unfiltered, nugget of truth put forth by that spokesperson. Refreshing.
You always bleed some talent after a startup has some success. People move on for cushier positions because startup employment is hard work.
Apple went through something similar in the mid to late 90s. The people who stayed were said to "bleed six colors". The return of Jobs put and end to that :)
Nothing new here- except someone told the truth. Wonderful!
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
So quiet after Nerd God Musk busted for false public statements.
I wonder if my conjecture that Rei was a Tesla intern or even Musk himself was correct. I would lmao if we find out later Rei = Nerd God Musk himself.
I did catch Rei referring to -we- at least once and not -they- in reference to Tesla.
Apple has about 123,000 FTEs:
https://www.google.com/search?...
Tesla has about 37,500:
https://www.google.com/search?...
The article quotes that Apple hired "at least 46 people who worked at Tesla directly". Almost "four scores", which would have been historically interesting.
Oh, and some had already been laid off or left Tesla.
So, Apple hired a staggering 0.123% of Tesla's folk (46/37,500).
Given the # of people that work at Apple, they probably hire far more than 46 people on a given day (maybe even a given hour).
BlameBillCosby.com
Who wrote this headline, Abraham Lincoln?
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Don't upset the apple cart
At this point, Apple may as well change their name, they are Apple no more. And cry me a river, Tesla employees. Silicon Valley is now in totality what was once exemplified only by Microsoft. Sad.
It really makes me question the culture and conditions when someone in a Position of Authority claims that person/people left because the work is 'too challenging' (unless the person leaving explicitly states that). It not only obviously casts a bad light on the previous employee, but it speaks to someone's naive thought that it paints them as scrappier/smarter/more interesting.... Spoiler alert: you almost certainly aren't.
It's like the remember the old Marine ad campaign that essentially said "we do more hard stuff before 6 AM than most everyone does in their entire day." People were like, "And that's a recruitment ad?! That's supposed to want to make me join?!"
It did... or rather, it targeted their demographic. Employers who do this kind of ex post facto version by disparaging employees who quit and (gasp!) get a job somewhere else are just douchey.
Source: I once had an employer's reaction to me quitting was that 'some people just don't like the updated pace since we were acquired,' No, jackass, I didn't like the fact that I was promoted a year ago, told at the time the acquisition meant salary freeze... when the freeze was lifted my as-of-yet-unknown raise would be paid retroactively. Finally lifted, good news: my 1% salary increase would be paid retroactively. My previous boss - whose job I took - made double my salary. The 1% was an insult. Best part: she was genuinely surprised, then angry, when I quit. I understood the acquiring company paid less for the same positions and I was already in the promotion's band but... yeah.... I couldn't keep up... but the three people hired to backfill probably did OK.
If your people are worth poaching, you've got good people.
Obviously the return flight would be an in-app purchase.
Tesla overworks and underpays its engineers. Most of my friends who worked for Tesla have jumped ship for more pay and a much better work-life balance.
I think Tesla had a lot of potential but Elon's idea of "running on empty" and stretching every last dime (have you seen Tesla's cafeteria?!) was going to wear thin eventually.
Between this, making cars in tents, and having a largely drug-addicted assembly crew it's easy to see there's not much of a future at Tesla.
I'm no fan of Tesla, but when you read the article, it sound like normal turnover that any company the size of Tesla would have and is not indicative of anything else.
Also don't forget: ... because Tesla had a layoff two months ago that was felt disproportionately in non-car-production positions. You know, exactly the kind of workers that Apple is probably looking for.
Shocking that a handful of them would end up in Cupertino, what with it being oh-so-far away from Fremont, and suddenly available for full-time employment...
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
I don't know if you've ever worked for a startup that crashed and burned and ruined everyone's mental health and finances and spawned multiple lawsuits and wasted gigantic amounts of seed money,
but CEOs of those invariably sleep on couches as well.
It's not proof of anything except the _inability_ to effectively delegate - whether for systemic reasons, or deleterious personal preference.
Apple won't be building a car anytime soon. The work place culture in their software development is too toxic to create a robust system. They hired a very large number of QNX developers. QNX is a very innovative company and has some extremely smart people at it. They should have been the dominant real time OS but their execution has always crippled them. Now Apple has inherited this culture.
Examples
- Most people don't comment their code and some people actively strip the comments out.
- No support for people trying to start work on a particular part of the code - this is almost to the point of being malicious. I'm not sure if it is about a need for job security or just to feel smart by being the only ones who understand how something works.
- submitting code without a code review
- changing code without having a reason to change it or even telling anyone
- no support for people trying to create or document process or even architecture decisions.