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Linux Turns 27 (omgubuntu.co.uk)
It's been 27 years since Linus Torvalds let a group of people know about his "hobby" OS. OMGUbuntu blog writes: Did you know that Linux, like Queen Elizabeth II, actually has two birthdays? Some FOSS fans consider the first public release of (prototype) code, which dropped on October 5, 1991, as more worthy of being the kernel's true anniversary date. Others, ourselves included, take today, August 25, as the "birth" date of the project. And for good reason. This is the day on which, back in 1991, a young Finnish college student named Linus Torvalds sat at his desk to let the folks on comp.os.minix newsgroup know about the "hobby" OS he was working on. The "hobby OS" that wouldn't, he cautioned, be anything "big" or "professional." Even as Linux continues to have lion's share in the enterprise world, it has only managed to capture a tiny fraction of the consumer space. Further reading: Ask Slashdot: Whatever Happened To the 'Year of Linux on Desktop'?
Which Linux-based distro do you use? What changes, if any, would you like to see in it in the next three years?
Which Linux-based distro do you use? What changes, if any, would you like to see in it in the next three years?
Linux the kernel.
You know, the kernel in all those android phones and tablets.
Quite frankly Linux is in most smart phones and tablets, and is the most popular phone os kernel of all time.
Therefore itâ(TM)s incredibly popular and successful in the consumer market.
i run Slackware, and I fervently wish I could soon see the systemd crapola die an ignominious death!
Trump will be escorted directly from the White House, to Joint Base Andrews and from there to Sherman Army Airfield near Leavenworth, KS. From there he will be transferred under heavy FBI armed guard to Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary where he will be housed permanently in isolation for collusion with a foreign government and violation of the emoluments clause. Depending on what Mueller turns up, it could even be Treason and Pence may be along for the ride.
Improvement of battery life on laptops would be nice. I'm planning to work on that myself but I have three other projects I need to get through first, so it might take a few years before I get around to it. Hopefully someone else will have done it by then.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I run OS X and I'm bisexual.
... if you forget about Android.
For the win!
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
Wouldn't that mean it was discontinued? If a manufacturer drops a product, that means they no longer make it. That is the opposite of what happened on 5 October 1991.
He's a wonderful president and is doing a superb job. Little people like you should know better by now to stop raging from your unemployed dwelling.
And they have been predicting that "5 years from now" will be the year of Linux domination on the desktop for about 20 of them. :)
Google did a pretty damn good job of taking the Linux kernel and making a workable embedded OS for tablets and smartphones, though.
No need for anything else, really, as the systemd crap is replaced with a sane alternative.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I run BSD and have a vagina and a penis.
You really need new fantasies. Ever heard of pussy?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
It seems that there are more and more engineers using Linux on their desktops in the past few years.
The first time I have ever used Linux (or GNU/Linux) was in late 2003 / early 2004. I installed RedHat on an IBM server I used to run my websites on at home (wasn't convinced you should pay monthgly $$$$ for shared hosting, when you could run your not-really-popular websites from home, plus vps'es we're not that common back then,)
Never really used it as my primary PC. Nevertheless, it felt like an accomplishment to even have it running. This was the first time I was able to install any non-Windows OS with success. The first attempt to install NetBSD in late 2001/early 2002 failed, after I had invested in buying a whole pack of 1.44mb disks.
Obviously, I've grown far more accustomed to it in the 15 years that have passed since then, and it has also greatly improved, but my general experience with it was that things are generally not as straightforward as they are on Windows (and possibly mac? never used it.), and you are far more likely to run into problems. It is routine to receive weird errors that you then have to google, and hope that the solution you found on some random mailing list will work.
I used to view this very positively. Look at me! I'm a geek typing all sorts of weird looking commands to get basic stuff done. As I grew older (I'm in my early thirties now), this changed. Things that seemed nerdy now look like they're just unnecessary complicated, or just badly designed.
I was using Debian as my primary system in the late 2000s. Volunteered to help update rms's website, and used to receive updates by email from him on a daily basis, with the occasional personal thank you. Merely viewing to my inbox would impress any foss geek, bar Linus and esr.
I was actually pretty productive on Debian. Wrote a self-compiling compiler for fun, did not accomplish much with it, but it gave me a low-level insight to the system and radically transformed my programming skills.
"Unfortunately," I moved back to Windows as my primary system since 2011 or so, with Debian only secondary. I no longer have the ability or the enthusiasm to spend hours troubleshooting errors and that seems to be all too common on GNU/Linux.
P/S. I'm by no means a Microsoft shill. I feel raped every time a Windows 10 forced reboot happens.
I still say it was a ploy by Redhat to bring in more support money. Here install this massive monstrosity that hasn't been tested and does many extraneous things a startup manager should never worry about. Trust us it will work fine. What is the reason for systemd having a caching DNS server?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
So i can compile my wireless source code...
1. A return of hardened gentoo and grsecurity's compliance with the GPL
2. A proper audit of the kernel and critical components to eliminate defects
3. A formal analysis of SELinux along the lines of SEL4
4. 7N reliability
5. Proper funding of RTLinux and further integration into mainstream
6. VST and malloc replacement Hoard as part of a standard Linux distro
7. Third-party maintenance of abandoned architectures
8. Rewrites of XTank, NV and PHIGS
9. Ports of Elite: Dangerous and Cubase
A. Hewlett-Packard's pluggable scheduler
B. Kernel config supporting hardware detection for suggesting defaults
C. Usable Gnome and KDE
D. Replace Systemd with something not made by committee
E. Addition of Occam-Pi/Guppy, Verified C and SystemC to LLVM
F. Harness for loading Linux modules onto alternate physical devices
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I started with FC3. Still running Fedora at home. Amazing.
FTR, my first distro was Yggdrasil, followed quickly by Slackware cause they had an easier method for bring in the Adaptec SCSI card.
For Desktop, I'm currently running Linux Mint which is pretty damned solid and stable and I've installed it on several family members during the Windows 7->8 fiasco and they're all still really, really happy with it.
What I would like to see Linux Desktop(TM) focus on is overall greater consistency! Starting with sound, all the way through the most basic stuff, the wide plethora of desktops (KDE, Gnome, etc.) and applications is a bloody mess of inconsistency. Having lived through "The UNIX wars", I can tell you that MS' *CONSISTENCY* in everything the user did - along with enabling developers of applications to have a single target platform - led to MS being what it is today. Choice is great, until you're paralysed by the plethora of choices and wind up with a tiny market.
PS - I could give a bubbly-fart about systemd. All I (as a user) care about is: Does this shit work?
He's a wonderful traitor, the best money Putin has ever spent on a compromised moronic windbag who goes broke running casinos, lol.. You're a faggot, I'm not taking your nazi faggot liar act lying down anymore, sorry faggot.
Kernel 2.0.18 - SuSE Linux 4.3 - i was 16 years old and now im 38. Only because of linux I have a career a job a life - thanks to everyone who is and was
involved - i own you my life
1992... my junior year of college... remember running with boot / root disks (5 1/4 floppies, 1.2MB?)... on my shiny new 486. Used it for hacking up some text processing scripts for my information retrieval course, using awk and grep. And for a bit of C coding I seem to recall. Yeah, data structures / algorithms were probably the most important learnings in my CS education, but bumping into Linux was very fortunate and that foundation has served me well. Ha, but now my job consists mostly of getting developers off servers and onto serverless solutions.
My thoughts exactly. Make it complex, behaving arbitrarily, reduce diagnostics possibilities (binary logging) etc. and many enterprise system administrators will just have their bosses pay for support instead of wading through the mess themselves.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I run macOS because Iâ(TM)m an adult and willing to actually pay money for better shit. And because I used to use Linux and decided I was done with self-punishment, so I bought a Mac and never looked back.
Using Mint.
What I see down the road, and not that far, is all apps distributed as containers. The vast majority of the infrastructure is already either in place or available.
Which Linux-based distro do you use? What changes, if any, would you like to see in it in the next three years?
I'm a Debian user from a million years ago who regrettably turned to the dark side of Windows as my career pulled me deeper and deeper into the abyss. Last year I cracked and switched back to Linux. I discovered and quickly fell in love with Arch, and I really identified with the Arch principles. I came to realize I may be at odds though on their versatility principle, which as I understood represented choice. This seems to apply to a number of things, but not their init system which I have had some notable frustration with. I'm sure systemd has its merits, but the next system I'm building is going to be Artix+Runit based. Not just because it is systemd free, but I'm encouraged that this seems to be a group which believes more strongly in versatility, and that is a big part of why I came crawling back to Linux. Rather than ask what my distro can do for me next, I can only hope that I can get my skills up again to be able to ask what I can do for my distro.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/trump-paid-michael-cohen-more-than-what-he-stated-in-financial-disclosure.html
windows 7 goes end-of-life soon. unless microsoft gets their shit together wrt the intrusive, anal-probing windows 10 before then, linux will see a significant uptick in use on the desktop beginning january 14, 2020.
major linux distributions have 16 months to get their own shit together to make linux desktops easier to use, including some 'quality of life' features it lacks (e.g. auto saving window positions, states and sizes from launch-to-launch of a given application), unify the ui and 'look and feel' among various applications, and provide actual user-friendly documentation. if the linux 'community' fails at these three items, it will also fail.to take advantage of this tremendously huge opportunity.
You have to fucking nuts to think Linux hasn't taken off. It's in everything from Chromebooks and routers to your TV and car and near everything else.
... he's even *more* of an arrogant a*hole, 27 years on :-)
I use Gentoo on my laptop with ZFS root for the filesystem and KDE for the desktop. It rocks! And no systemd.
I wish more distros would give the option to run without systemd. Other init systems do fine for most desktops and are much easier to use and understand.
I hope that Canonical dies. Worst thing that ever happened to Linux.
I am as mistrustful of systemd and the number of services that have come under the control of that project as anyone else, but I have not found stability to an issue. This is with long term operation of multiple Linux machines, server, desktop and laptop. For servers, I remove network manager, but that is pretty easy.
If you are going to trash systemd, and there certainly are reasons to be critical, please stick to the facts.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Stick to the facts scrupulously and exactly, like the pro-systemd faction you mean? Also, that you have not found stability issues does not imply others have the same experience.
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I'd say ideas played around with in various Linux DE's, KDE in particular, maybe GNOME, have influenced Windows and MAC OS X desktops.
There is quite a bit of innovation that happens, and it seems like the better ideas get adopted by the other desktops. At least that is what I see as someone who left Windows around Windows XP and has seen the aesthetics move towards some of the tech I am used to in modern Linux DE's now. Transparencies, multiple desktops, image of the window on hover, fancier alt-tab transitions, applets/addons, maybe sandboxing processes so the desktop doesn't crash, other things I don't recall right now :D.
Actually, _most_ of Debian works fine with sysIVinit at this time.
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I used to use Linux
Sure you did...
There are more non-systemd choices now:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_distributions_without_systemd
I have been using Antix for awhile, and I just installed Devuan on one of my machines with no problems.
Kids, when I was your age, I walked uphill in a snow storm 10 miles to download Slackware version 1 on my university's time share, then used Kermit to transfer it to about 25 floppies. It took about three hours. Then I walked uphill in a snowstorm 10 miles back home to install it one floppy at a time on my 486. I got it working and learned basic C programming, UNIX shell commands, EMACS, VI, networking, etc. than I would have learned taking some basic 101-level CS courses. Learning by doing is still the best way.
The basic Linux Desktop is alive and well except for the one annual "asses bridge bug" that humiliates the would be Linux adopters. This bug drives would be Linux adopters to throw up their hands and settle for "fresh reinstall of Windows" from any CD you happen to have. From my computer buddy who has a storage locker full of older hardware, I gather he has been humiliated enough by Linux that he simply doesn't bother with it anymore.
He fixed me up with a 10 year old Gateway "media center" computer, which I filled with a 500 Gig solid state disk (SSD). It runs Shotwell with over 5000 photographs really fast. It provides a 2.9x speed up for a ffmpeg image resize task. And I have 10 years of fully search-able emails too. I did an Ubuntu 64 Bit DVD Desktop install straight onto the SSD. I copied the old mechanical disk (without the ./ configuration files) with a few iterations of Rsync.
So what is the problem? Either systemd or a legacy shutdown software has broken the chain of processes that ends with toggling the power supply bit or byte off.. Hah, just like Windows 95 I have to push and hold the power switch to finish the last tiny step of flipping the "power off" bit somewhere on the motherboard. You know what this bug also messes up? Remote restart which further messes up remote management.
Many years ago I compiled kernels and explored the ins and outs of run levels. On this problem I wait and hope that some systemd guru will wake up and remove the single # that causes this operational failure.
This year I have the "shutdown bug". In 1995 it took 3 months to get a $200 Lenovo laptop touch pad to work. I absolutely will not allow Windows on my hardware. But I see around me, users like my computer buddy and even my wife and the organization she works for, they can't afford Linux.
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I started with RHL 5.2 - not RHEL 5.2, but Red Hat Linux 5.2, pre-RHEL and Fedora. I've used every RHL version and then about every other Fedora version until RHEL/WhiteBoxLinux/ScientificLinux/CentOS came out and continued on the EL path, using Fedora just for MythDora "appliance" DVR purposes. I've used Ubuntu here and there and am impressed. My most recent workstation at work is Ubuntu 18 LTS which was a breeze to setup. We're a strong RHEL shop for all things Linux, but I just got tired of fighting proprietary or limited support things on the Desktop and all the CentOS/Fedora work-arounds that only work for a few years (Google Chrome, Earth, to name a few).
Personally, I've been Windows-free since RHL9, and have only used Windows in VirtualBox/VMWare Workstation for very specific proprietary requirements where necessary (Quickbooks when I had my own personal business and my accountant had all the info for the reports I needed to produce - I tried with GnuCash, but at the end of the day I needed to be out billing and not trying to produce bills and financial records - that said, I've used GnuCash for my personal finances since my cold-turkey conversion with RHL9 when I removed Windows from all my personal devices).
What would I like to see in 3 years? More ham radio support. I hate having to run a Windows box just to program my radios and run fully-featured communication software. Better/full native Steam support and no need for Wine. That's about it, but I don't see either one coming to pass in 3 years.
Link please. And I am definitely not pro-systemd. I am, however, anti-hyperbole.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
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Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
The first Linux distro I used was MCC. Which was the first Linux distro.
I've since used SLS, Slackware, Gentoo, Red Hat, Fedora, Centos, RHEL, Scientific Linux, Rocks, Debian, SuSE, Ubintu, Kubuntu, Mint and Linux From Scratch. Montavista is not really a distro, but I've used that too.
Of these, I think Ubuntu had the best drivers and Gentoo the best build system. None are quite what I want, so I end up rebuilding most of the system anyway.
The lack of a Linux Desktop is chiefly down to OSDL botching up that particular effort by holding closed-door meetings with vendors and running projects that never really went anywhere.
By failing to work properly with vendors, we had no drivers. Without those, nothing else could happen.
(The difficulty of getting things in the kernel, leading to a lot of abandoned, led me to develop FOLK, which inspired other megapatchsets, which in turn eventually led to the development tree. I still fight hard for obscure but important projects to be better-known, as kernel progress hinges on people knowing what's out there. However, driver issues are due to paranoid, intransigent vendors.)
Microsoft likely blackmailed some vendors, a crime for which it should have been broken up. It should have been broken up in 1998 anyway.
But the lack of a decent video system (XFree suffered a political meltdown, and Berlin folded due to design problems) and audio issues (OSS was a mess, ALSA lacked features, PulseAudio ditto) meant vendors had no incentive to provide drivers. To them, Linux was expensive to support with no return.
Since then, Linux has churned a little. Reliability has dropped a little, as has performance. I don't buy it does more as I roll my own kernels so I know exactly what they should be doing.
They're still miles ahead of Windows, several decades ahead of BSD and some diagonal in the spacetime continuum ahead of the dozen or so other OS' I've used. But benchmarks increasingly put Windows ahead of Linux for database and webserver activity. That's... unthinkable. It certainly isn't tolerable.
If Linux doesn't regain the lead, it is going to be on shaky ground, whatever Linus thinks the kernel can do. At this point, and with so much more experience in the enterprise than Microsoft, Linux' developers should find the problems in the kernel and core system, fix them and work from there.
(That's why my wishlist, in another post, involves fixing infrastructure in Linux. That's essential for there to be a Linux.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
"27 club"?
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
In 1996 I saw Slackware demonstrated at a computer expo in White Plains, NY. Loved it but needed Word and Wordperfect to complete grad school. So I waited and waited until 2003 the "world's most secure operating system" (OS X 10.2x) got hacked before my very eyes, and my laptop's Windows 2000 install became a hard-drive-destroying spambot host.
In the middle of teaching a semester I got busy, used Yellow Dog and Ubuntu etc. and now,
Slackware 14x
What is this nonsense? Android is a conclusive nail in that coffin.
The Year of the Linux Desktop has gone the way of the desktop. Not many people are using them outside of work environments and even the work environments are changing. Most people don't need a desktop. They need a portable device that they can pretend to do work on that can maybe handle spreadsheets while watching YouTube. Failing that a device to play Angry Birds while engaged in the WC is sufficient for purpose for maybe 80% of the modern population.
Desktops are for developers... again.
As for what I use personally: it's Debian. I've got it on an overclocked dead badger among other things. I enjoy being able to check my emails while microwaving a hot pocket. I use Suse at work for preference but I also spend a lot of time with CentOS. First one I ever used was RedHat I think, I spent a lot of time drinking back then, so it's kind of blurry. For the future: if we can kill systemd with fire I'd be happy. I also miss Mandrake for reasons I can't quite define.
I am, however, anti-hyperbole.
Hahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa! You?!? The nastiest Linux zealot on Slashdot who's always spreading BS about anything not GNU/Linux, is anti-hyberbole? ROFLMFAO! I just shit my pants!
Without delving into which skills people have, just going by numbers alone, it's easy to see that::
- most people don't care;
- most people would like to care less e.g. by using an even simpler interface -- like Android's;
- some people even tout that with pride: "a phone is enough for me, I've been able to avoid PCs for a long time";
- those who still use a desktop, use what's installed (Windows or MacOS);
- many don't even bother to think about security ("it came with an antivirus");
- from those that end up recognizing Linux is better, many think "so what?"
- those who need Linux, hope for a "nerd" to deal with the unpleasant details for them;
- a very minor of people would go thru the trouble of trying Linux;
- some of them will quit trying if something significant happens.
Here, "significant" might mean a desired application is not available, or some hardware is not 100% compatible (I ditched Xubuntu for losing my RF keyboard layout in an upgrade, for instance) or merely if a docx uses fonts which are not installed and thus a layout is botched.
You're not up against Windows... you're against those people. Perhaps we can make an OS attractive to them, just like Google has Android. Would we want to deal with such folks? Would we want a dumbed down enough OS which will be good enough for them? IMHO, neither.
Eventually someone will come up with a Linux which is good enough for them, good enough to be factory-installed _and_ sell well, good enough to dominate the computing landscape, even appearing in movies as an example of a non-descript environment -- maybe after Microsoft abandons Windows, I don't know.
But I figure I won't want to use it.
Right now, I can use Windows programs with Wine, but I don't want to. I could give Steam ported from Windows games a try (probably not for me, but for my son) and that's it. Android applications? It would be great -- in an isolated computer though -- not in all the ones which run Linux over here.
I wonder if there will be a killer Android application that would make me want it in all my computers...
https://regmedia.co.uk/2015/07...
I find it interesting how everyone brags about Linux being open source, yet their most popular claim to fame is a closed source Google Android? Or Chrome OS for that matter which again Google sort of skipped all that hard work of creating a kernel and just used Linux. The "real" open source desktop projects unfortunately have gone nowhere and make up only a small portion of desktop OS users. If your a true open source supporter, you won't include Android or Chrome OS and being anything other then Google's taking advantage of the open source community.
Good lord, it's been a while. Flashback (IIRC) to my first 0.93 install, on a PC with a screaming fast 80386 running at 12 mhz cpu, a meg of ram, and a massive 40 meg hard disk and a 2400 baud modem. I'm not sure I've ever felt a greater sense of accomplishment than seeing a HUGE "X" move around a grey screen the first time I got Xwindows running. That said? it's ages later, and I've had time to ponder. My grievances? I wish Linux had enforced common logging syntax similar to to the VAX/VMS logging system (component, severity, unique, and DOCUMENTED error number). X-Windows? Unnecessarily bloated. Yes, it was expedient at the time to port an existing windowing system, but that's been a bit of a boat anchor for Linux. I don't care that a windowing system is "network aware", that's the responsibility of individual applications. And systemd? an absurdly cumbersome solution to a problem that never existed. All in all? it's been a fun, frustrating, and rewarding experience. And tip of the hat to everyone in the community who has contributed in the past.
My first distro was Redhat. But that was long after 1991. In 1991 I was writing DOS programs to monitor the many tons of ore, scrap, and additives that got dumped into blast furnaces (that was back when the US still had a steel industry).
Someone told me about Linux. I thought, that'll go nowhere. In some ways, I was right.
FTR, my first distro was Yggdrasil, followed quickly by Slackware cause they had an easier method for bring in the Adaptec SCSI card.
For Desktop, I'm currently running Linux Mint which is pretty damned solid and stable and I've installed it on several family members during the Windows 7->8 fiasco and they're all still really, really happy with it.
What I would like to see Linux Desktop(TM) focus on is overall greater consistency! Starting with sound, all the way through the most basic stuff, the wide plethora of desktops (KDE, Gnome, etc.) and applications is a bloody mess of inconsistency. Having lived through "The UNIX wars", I can tell you that MS' *CONSISTENCY* in everything the user did - along with enabling developers of applications to have a single target platform - led to MS being what it is today. Choice is great, until you're paralysed by the plethora of choices and wind up with a tiny market.
PS - I could give a bubbly-fart about systemd. All I (as a user) care about is: Does this shit work?
So ... what you really want is consistency the way YOU want it. Otherwise you would have just stuck with Windows 8 for your family.
You are given the ability to have what you want with Linux, you are NOT with Microsoft. I think i know what you were getting at, and I think you would want some things to be standardize. But really, I don't mind some of the inconsistencies.. it lets me choose what I want. e.g. XFCE is my choice of DE... I wouldn't enjoy Linux as much with some other one, even though I can appreciate them. I do think there is a downside to standardization/consistency... lack of choice. I could never use a Mac because their UI makes NO sense to me.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Linux might be 27 years old today, but it's aged me 40.
"Link please???" The war-cry of the systemd-fanatic that requires all in opposition to prove everything and proves nothing himself? Seriously? How stupid do you think we are?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Chromebooks are designed to run web applications. Most cannot run applications designed for GNU/Linux without a firmware replacement because they use a version of the Linux kernel prior to the addition of features that allow for rich container support. See the recent Slashdot story "Linux Apps Are Not Coming To Many Still-Supported Chromebooks".
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Probably hardware differences. Debian's own wiki acknowledges plenty of problems getting Debian GNU/Linux to behave on, say, an ASUS Transformer Book T100TA.
Seriously. Linux is too big for Linus and control of it needs to be taken away from him.
By fork if necessary.
I want SELinux to talk like Gwyneth Paltrow, only dirty, and to two wrap itself around me like an Iron Man suit!
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd#Absurd_bugs_and_responses
All the way. The day I jumped off the FreeBSD boat and into Linux camp, I chose Debian. I've been with it ever since.
And personally? I like systemd. It does the job and I find it easier to work with than init scripts. And for those cases I still want to use init scripts, it lets me. Debugging daemon/service issues has never been easier than since systemd dropped. journalctl is great for diagnosing issues. I really don't understand the fuss over it.
Wow I feed old now. Have installed, configured and used:
Slackware 96
RedHat
Gentoo (I did the Mom experiment - she used it for years)
Ubuntu
Debian/Raspbian
Special mention to cygwin for keeping me sane whenever I was forced to use Windows.
but Linux has served me on the desktop for over 20 years by now.
Started out as a Slackware user, these days it's openSUSE.
Desirable changes? RH stops being a cancer, Pottering gets a public flogging and PA and Systemd gets sane, working replacements, or at least gets fixed by people who know what the fuck they are doing.
"Link please???" The war-cry of the systemd-fanatic
You sound like an ass at the moment. I specifically said that I am not pro systemd, far from it. Now a link please, or you are a blowhard too.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
What do people do most on their PCs these days? Browse. What do people do with a major amount of time on their phone? Browse.
When you want to graduate from browsing to creating, it's easier to do so if you own a PC than if all you have is what The Register refers to as a "fondleslab."
Facts.
Android runs on Linux, the most popular consumer OS in the world. Linux has taken over.
You heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?
Yea you are the boy. And systemD is the wolf.
Your post makes no sense.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I use Fedora was my workstation, and I love it. There's little a user can't do with Fedora or Linux (outside of playing non Unity-based games; Valve's encouraged many more games to be cross-platform ultimately though).
What would I change? Whatever regression bugs have been added to and/or existed in GNOME 3. I prefer GNOME over other DEs aesthetically, but after two or more days, the performance of GNOME, especially on modal overlay drawings, is horrific. A reboot is required with Wayland (AFAIK).
This is something I'd never experience with Windows, and these sort of niggling bugs hold me back from pushing normies into Fedora land.
Linux is cool to mess around with but hard to use as an everyday desktop OS but I have been using Mint for about 4 years now and I love it, but there is no perfect distro. In fact there is no perfect OS, period. I used to really like Windows before 10 was forced on everyone, and now I've banished any Windows devices from my house. Everyone, including my kids, run macOS or Mint - both distant relatives of Linus' original concepts.
Don't forget Richard Stallman (RMS), who created GNU and many of the utilities. I've been loading Linux since you had to download about 11 3.5" floppy images from an ftp server. Started out with Slackware, then bought CDs from Walnut Creek, used Ubuntu for a long time, currently on Linux Mint.
To say that Linus Torvalds and his creation have been a major force in operating systems would be an understatement. Linux is an OS free from uncontrollable commercially-motivated updates, which is my principal objection to Windows and MacOS. I've been running my home systems on Linux since Win95. I have never regretted doing so. At this point, it's as reliable as Windows, which I use at work, and really does everything I need it to do, both on a desktop and the system I'm using now, a Dell Latitude E6400,
Didn't the wolf eventually eat the boy?
Named after botanist Leonhart Fuchs.
*turns on your Chromebook with Crouton*
*presses Space as prompted*
*presses Enter as prompted*
Now where's all your data? (explanation)
Asking for evidence of claims is the opposite of what fanatics do.
You're free to provide an opinion, but if you make factual claims and you want others to believe them, then back up your claims with evidence.
I non-subtly hinted that I am pretty sure you are lying. If you were not, you would be aware of all the fine web-pages that list and discuss the problems with systemd.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
When did a pro-systemd post ever made sense? These people cannot think.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Actually, asking for evidence and then, should it be provided, ignoring is is a tried-and-true propaganda technique and a favorite of some type of fanatic. Can be observed to be used all the time by the systemd-fanatics.
You are simply a disgusting liar. Incidentally, I do not want the systemd-fanatics to believe anything. They are free to be as stupid as they like, as long as it does not affect me.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You don't make any sense either. All those content-free posts, what is the point?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I started with Slackware in late 1996 on a scrapped machine with ESD drives. When 3Com came out with NICs that had MAC addresses unknown to the o.s., I jumped in with my trusty C compiler and added the network driver code necessary to let the new NICs work. That was fun!
I've also used Suse, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Andy's Ham Radio Linux, DSL, and a few other variants.
I sneaked Linux into the back door of a Fortune 100 company in the form of DNS servers. When I left many years later, the company had *hundreds* of Linux machines.
I am microsoft-free thanks to Ubuntu 16.04.
Changes: stomp to death network manager, systemd, and anything else that appears to be tainted by microsoft-like developers.
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
Started with early Slackware, now Ubuntu LTS for servers and Mint (MATE) desktops.. It all just works! Still not totally convinced about systemd...
"Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups" seen on someone's blog...