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Silicon Valley University Asks Professors To Offer Students Affordable Housing (fortune.com)

Housing in Silicon Valley is getting so expensive that the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC) petitioned 6,000 faculty and staff members to consider offering students "a room in your home." The college's housing director David Keller wrote in a letter that there are "several hundred students" at the university who don't have "housing guarantees" and need support. Fortune reports: Silicon Valley is notorious for its high living costs. And, according to the report, Santa Cruz and its surrounding areas have far more single-family homes than affordable apartments. Worse yet, a senior at UCSC told the CBS affiliate that some "landlords are kind of jacking up the prices because they know about this." The student, Leon Pham, told CBS that he'll pay $1,100 per month for a small room in a shared house.

Still, there are potentially negative implications to schools asking for professors to rent rooms in their homes to students. Professors are still required to fairly judge student work, and a healthy separation between professors and students is usually what colleges want. The housing crunch, however, might have forced the university's hand. And a spokesperson from the school told CBS that the college has policies that govern "the conduct of students and professors."

171 comments

  1. Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Santa Cruz is in Silicon Valley?

    1. Re:Not Silicon Valley by jtgd · · Score: 1

      It is considered as such by some. So is San Francisco which is even farther away than Santa Cruz.

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    2. Re:Not Silicon Valley by stevew · · Score: 1

      You beat me to pointing out the obvious. No it isn't part of the "Valley" In fact it is on the other side of the hills that form the "Valley."

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    3. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But they are both not of course. Because neither are in the Santa Clara valley.

    4. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Santa Cruz is in Silicon Valley?

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

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    5. Re:Not Silicon Valley by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is considered as such by some. So is San Francisco which is even farther away than Santa Cruz.

      The "valley" in Silicon Valley is Santa Clara Valley. Neither San Francisco nor Santa Cruz is in the valley. SCV is bounded by the Santa Cruz Mountains on the west (the city of Santa Cruz is on the other side of these mountains) and the Diablo Range on the east.

      Santa Clara Valley

    6. Re:Not Silicon Valley by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

      So, then is Santa Craws the Asian guy who gives presents to children at Christmas time?

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    7. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

      So, then is Santa Craws the Asian guy who gives presents to children at Christmas time?

      Oh, we are both lucky we're pseudonymous tonight. But yeah, he is.

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    8. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No silly, that would be Krampus.

    9. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is considered as such by some. So is San Francisco which is even farther away than Santa Cruz.

      "Considered by some" who are... wrong. That's like saying Newark, NJ is part of New York because it's close. There is a valley; Santa Cruz is not in it.

    10. Re:Not Silicon Valley by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      Housing in Silicon Valley is getting so expensive that the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC) petitioned 6,000 faculty and staff members to consider offering students "a room in your home."

      The headline is straight up wrong, but I think it's interesting that this sentence in the summary could actually be using SV correctly. Santa Cruz does see the spillover from SV's refusal to build more housing.

      Really they should have used Bay Area throughout because it's the (mostly interconnected) Bay Area housing market that is relevant to the discussion.

    11. Re:Not Silicon Valley by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Boundaries aren't static when you're not talking about a geographical feature. What would be considered the suburbs of almost every major US city are further out than they were 20 years ago. Silicon Valley started as Santa Clara Valley, but its grown since then.

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    12. Re:Not Silicon Valley by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      In terms of the metropolitan area for population, Newark is considered part of New York City, AFAIK.

    13. Re: Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Healthy separation"

    14. Re: Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way would I let my daughter move in with her professor, unless she couldnâ(TM)t get good grades any other way.

    15. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Only to the children with A+ grades.

    16. Re: Not Silicon Valley by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Newark airport is considered a NYC airport by airlines.

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    17. Re:Not Silicon Valley by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Santa Cruz does see the spillover from SV's refusal to build more housing."

      Sure, but that's more a problem for commuters than home-seekers. Home prices in Santa Cruz are still higher than most of the valley.

      "Really they should have used Bay Area throughout because it's the (mostly interconnected) Bay Area housing market that is relevant to the discussion."

      Nope. Santa Cruz is not in the Bay area either. That refers to the San Francisco Bay, but Santa Cruz is on the Monterey Bay. Santa Cruz county is its own geographic region, including the mountains and about half of the Bay. The Monterey area is also its own region by local convention, even though they share a bay.

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    18. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      You win the thread

    19. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U need to eat a banana for that. Or be a B(uild) A(bsolutely) N(othing) A(nywhere) N(ear) A(nybody).

    20. Re:Not Silicon Valley by jtgd · · Score: 1

      "Silicon Valley" is more than just Santa Clara valley. It is the region of high-tech around the Bay Area. Sprawl, and the search for affordable housing.

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  2. I have an idea... by cirby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The university could set up its own living accommodations. That way, students could live right on university property, at a reduced rate, instead of having to hunt for overpriced spaces in the town. They could make them basic, 150-square-foot living quarters - room, bed, with a communal bathroom - without all of the bells and whistles that seem to make university living cost so much.

    There's an ancient word for such living spaces: "dormitories."

    1. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alternative: students who cannot afford housing on the local market (at schools which do not provide these dormitories of which you speak), should attend different schools. Two possibilities that spring to mind are schools in more affordable markets, or schools which the student could attend while living with family.

    2. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaaannnndddd instead Santa Cruz has the worst rent control laws in the entire country on the ballet in November.

    3. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been plans to do exactly this, but they have been beaten down at the local level: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20180323/NEWS/180329829

    4. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to grad school in a high cost of living city. The rent for a room in a house off campus was pretty high, but the grad student dorms were even more expensive. Public universities need to be forced to make a choice between receiving public funding and acting as a business. They shouldn't get to have it both ways, but unless someone makes them offer student housing at below the market rate, they'll surely try to squeeze every last cent out of their students.

    5. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s right - only rich people should have the choice of being educated at an establishment that caters to their needs.

    6. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what the hell is wrong with that?

      *Nothing* prevents other schools from offering the same courses with the same quality of instruction.

      Price is one of many ways in which businesses compete for clients. Some businesses charge prices that some clients can't afford. So, those clients go elsewhere.

      There is nothing evil about this.

    7. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or "under bridges".

    8. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow. a four-digit acting like this is reddit or some bullshit. you really should turn in your geekcard, because that is a disgrace.

      of-fucking-course they have housing on campus. ucsc has traditionally been a commuter campus, with large numbers of students living off campus or at home. the housing market is pushing many of those to seek on campus housing for the first time.. which there simply isn't enough of because those students that once were expected to live off campus are now competing with a growing student body for the limited number of on-campus rooms.

      oblig: #goslugs

    9. Re:I have an idea... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

      I think if it was that easy then there would be no housing problem in San Francisco in the first place. It's a problem the city has created for itself, such as by limiting buildings to 40 ft in height. Where are these new dorms going to be put? At least renting out extra rooms (presuming there are some) can be done instantaneously in response to an unusually large incoming class. Erecting new dormitories, if that's even possible, not so much.

      IMHO the university's best long term bet is to move entirely. There is plenty of cheap housing elsewhere. Students are incredibly mobile -- a good chunk are probably already there from out-of-state or out-of-country. Professors typically also tend to choose their location according to the work rather than the reverse. The school can certainly maintain a presence for any research tightly integrated with local businesses (perhaps leave their grad school there) but their ~16k undergraduates doubtless could learn Eng Lit 101 just as comfortably twenty miles away and still be able to pursue summer internships with the big tech firms, etc.

    10. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could totally build these. After all, where IS that sweet tuition money going, anyway?

    11. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are restrictions on the amount of the land on the campus that can be developed, that were attached to the property when it was transferred to UC.

      So, no, not really.

    12. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Add chapter 11 and 7 to student loans that will fix it

    13. Re:I have an idea... by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Forget the tuition money, they have a $190M endowment. That's money they can get at without asking the state for a dime.

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    14. Re:I have an idea... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      I 2nd that Go Slugs. I lived on campus because I could not afford anything off campus and did not want to live like a troll on the beach. I transferred in from DVC (tinker toy tech) Jr college, a long time ago in a galaxy far away.

      Fiat Lux

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    15. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or go to a University in a different city.

    16. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, they actually have dormitories on campus! In fact they're building more, but that project is probably years from completion.

      The real problem is that they have to admit way more students than they have room for. They get maybe 50k applicants, accept 20-30k, and end up with a freshman class size of 3-4k. Since they have to accept 5-10x as many students as will actually enroll, it's hard to predict how many they need to accept for the amount of space they have available.

      In the past they accepted too few, causing complaints that they were being too strict and leaving slots open. So they increased their acceptance rate and now they ended up with a few hundred more students enrolling than they have housing for.

      In most college towns that's not a big deal, because college campuses tend to have lots of cheap apartments nearby. But since Santa Cruz is so close to Silicon Valley, people with jobs are taking all the cheap rentals.

    17. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now university education is a right?

      I heard that Army is offering solutions for those who cannot afford university.
      But, it will be some useful subject , and will require serving country for couple years.

    18. Re:I have an idea... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Ah yes, the slogan of the right wing: "You peasants don't deserve an education at the university you desire".

    19. Re: I have an idea... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      And what the hell is wrong with that?

      *Nothing* prevents other schools from offering the same courses with the same quality of instruction.

      Quality of instruction is only one of the benefits of attending a particular institution. So attending one elsewhere with the same quality and courses will not be as good, as it won't have the same reputation. Reputations can take decades to establish.

    20. Re: I have an idea... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      If the playing field is too far from level then you are effectively throwing away talent that could enhance the economy.

    21. Re:I have an idea... by cirby · · Score: 1

      If they had enough housing space on campus, this article would never have been written. ...and if you were half as smart as you think you are, you might have learned of a thing called "sarcasm."

    22. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they could do like they do it in other some other countries: incorporate a non-profit housing foundation controlled by the student union of the area. Acquire land and property as donations, inheritance and investment money collected through student union payments. Rent individual rooms with heavy duty locks on separate contracts, single room apartments and bigger units for the students with families. Create emergency accommodations on the local union house for those that couldn't get a room at the beginning of the semester.
      The free rental market is rife with abuse, financial being one of the more benign of them.

    23. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why must education be offered at every whim? What's so wrong about working and saving for a few years to save up a fund for studying at an expensive place?

    24. Re:I have an idea... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      That assumes that schools are commodities with no difference between them. I know little of this institution but I'm guessing that being in that area with a lot of tech companies is probably a big draw for people looking to get jobs at said companies.

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    25. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes, the slogan of the right wing: "You peasants don't deserve an education at the university you desire".

      Why turn this into a left/right thing?

      Up until a couple of years ago I was driving a 15+ year old vehicle. When it gave up the ghost I had to get a new one. Now, I desired Lamborghini Huracan because I thought it would best meet my transportation needs. I looked at the price, however, and realized it was not possible for me. Now, at this point, I had two possibilities: 1) take out a loan larger than a typical home mortgage to buy the Lamborghini; or, 2) go with something more affordable. I went with 2 and bought a small Honda (without a loan). It turns out that the Honda gets me from place to place just fine and not having a car loan has some considerable benefits.

      Now, when it comes to college, people have to separate what they want from what they need. Sure, everybody wants to go to a top-flight school in a trendy city. But not everybody can afford that. So, people have to decide whether the actual education is more important than the cachet of the name and location of the school that they attended. For the vast majority of people who borrow to attend college, the benefits of emerging with smaller debt (or none at all) is far an excess of the benefit of attending a school with name recognition that is in a trendy city.

      Is this perfect? Nope. But if you don't think that what I suggest is part of the solution to the student loan and cost of education crisis, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.

    26. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That assumes that schools are commodities with no difference between them.

      It does not make that assumption. It makes the assumption that the students (and possibly their parents) make an honest assessment of whether attending UCSC and graduating with, say, $150k in debt is a better long term value than attending their local State University and emerging from that experience with like $20k in debt.

      Will attending a local State University affect employability out of school? Possibly. While it affect life long earning potential? For 99%+ of people that is highly unlikely. The correlation in earning potential has to do far more with the field in which a degree is earned than it does the school which one attended.

      I suspect that most people who rack enormous debts in school do not actually consider the alternatives.

    27. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe they should go to Trump U? Fucktard.

    28. Re: I have an idea... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      because fair access to post secondary education is crucial for an economy full of gigs.

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    29. Re: I have an idea... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Well, that's a good thing. You want to promote the arts, and making sure people dont charge too much rent to the ballet is a good way to do that.

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    30. Re:I have an idea... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Where are these new dorms going to be put?"

      In one of the gigantic fields between the campus and the town, which the University already owns, and barely uses. People don't want them built there for cosmetic reasons, but the University has more than enough space to build housing for all of its students.

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    31. Re: I have an idea... by DigressivePoser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And get the government out of student loans. So when the loan is discharged in bankruptcy, the bank takes the hit instead of the taxpayer.

    32. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another detail is that college professors don't make a lot of money, this will probably be used as an excuse to not give raises in the future.

    33. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 1

      I am not sure what is going on with the Troll/Overrated mods (actually, I think I know).

      Either way, what is troll-ish about the idea that higher education is an investment in yourself and in society and looking the cost/benefit in those terms? The value which one derives from the investment should be commensurate with the investment that is made.

      The value does not have to be strictly monetary. But let's face it, if you are not fortunate enough to come from a family that can foot the bill for an overpriced education, the only sensible thing to do is find a more affordable way to get that education. If you can land scholarships, then that's a good thing and might put something within reach that otherwise would be out of reach.

      Still, colleges throw billions of dollars into athletic scholarship, but only a small fraction of that into academic scholarships. In fact, most academic scholarships come from private organizations. So, why not take the schools to task for focusing on athletics over academics? Don't bother answering, because I and everybody already knows why this has not and never will happen.

    34. Re: I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The University of California is largely paid for by taxes, so yes, a university education should be a right, subject only to being an adequate student. Even that limit only to prevent wasting the time and effort of the professors.

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    35. Re:I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand the University of California enrollment process. You don't get to select the campus you want, you get to request it. If you are only willing to accept one campus, you will likely be rejected even if you otherwise qualify, because there are lots of students who aren't so picky. This is made worse because a certain number of "foreign exchange students" are accepted. This number is artificially high because they pay higher rates and are thus more profitable. Many of the campuses try to limit the number of undergraduates, so they can concentrate on graduate students. (I don't know to what extent the university allows this to actually be done, but I know attempts are made.)

      I'm not really that familiar with current procedures, but student choice is generally considered an thing that can readily be sacrificed to administrative whims. They've got more applicants than they can handle.

      I went there decades ago (different campus), and so, a decade or so earlier did my mother (same different campus). Neither of us liked the experience...though I don't know what the alternatives would have been like.

      FWIW, when I went to UC the dorms were more expensive than living in an apartment...but there was other student housing with provided meals that was cheaper. And, of course, the frats were more expensive than the dorms, but I never even considered them.

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    36. Re:I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      A key item here is that the University of California is mainly paid for by taxes...which everyone pays. (OTOH, enrollment costs have skyrocketed over the last few decades, so that statement may be based on old data...and perhaps it's just "...largely paid for...".)

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    37. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Public universities need to be forced to make a choice between receiving public funding and acting as a business. They shouldn't get to have it both ways...

      Right now public universities don't get it either way. Public universities aren't businesses and they've been severely underfunded for over 30 years. Instead of viewing the education of our youth as a national imperative we now load up students with a staggering $37,172 in average debt. No other nation has this disgraceful problem.

    38. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that most people who rack enormous debts in school do not actually consider the alternatives.

      Different country but I considered my options when selecting university. I picked not the "most popular" but good technical university. Not the closest to home too to meet urge to be on my own. 20 years later nobody cares who issued my degree.
      It is what you know (not who you know) and how fast you can learn new things.

      Unless I am missing something ... perhaps this university is selected for very good surfing conditions in the area or well tanned bodies on the beaches ???

      what is wrong with University in Arizona, Colorado, Utah or Texas, or North Carolina?

    39. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... more like "partly paid for" ... it's not even "largely" any more.

      When my kid went to UCSC about 5 years ago, tuition and fees and basic costs (not including dorms) was about $15K/year. Dorm for 3 quarters was about 15K on top of that - if you could get one (we got lucky). Compared to private schools, that's inexpensive but not cheap (for cheap, see California State University system, where many of the campuses are commuter schools with few dorms and the kids living at home - and all but a couple have middling or worse reputations - and REPUTATION is one of the big things you want in a college because it gets you in the door for job interviews). UCSC has a very good reputation for its science and engineering programs, among others.

      I understand from other articles that one of the biggest drivers of the current problem is that the acceptance rate was increased due to political pressure, but added on-campus housing ran into some glitches (environmental, nimby, etc.). So the added students are there, but the housing isn't. The Santa Cruz area in general has very limited housing, and no water for growth, so things are pretty locked down and very expensive. Being a commuter town for Silicon Valley (which, yes, is over the hill) doesn't help matters any. Which leads to the final point: which professors actually have housing with an extra room? They are in the same boat as the students; UC staff salaries are nowhere near what's necessary to buy or even rent a decent place (read: with a spare room) in Santa Cruz.

    40. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legal... legal reasons, not cosmetic. They're not allowed, by the terms of the property transfer to the state, to develop that land.

    41. Re:I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The under-bridge spaces are already fully subcribed by the local homeless (non-students). They are fairly serious about defending their territory.

    42. Re:I have an idea... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Because the sporting programs make a lot of money since they use free talent. They draw large crowds also. So your best bet is to be smart and play sports.

    43. Re:I have an idea... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea if you want to crystallise your class system so only the rich can attend the good universities.

    44. Re:I have an idea... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Why turn this into a left/right thing?

      It became a left/right thing when you put one of the Right's favorite ideas into play.
       

      But if you don't think that what I suggest is part of the solution to the student loan and cost of education crisis, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.

      0.o Nothing in the TFA said anything about student loans or the cost of education - they're entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. (Which is the cost of living in San Jose.) You literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about - but you sure can spout right wing nonsense.

  3. Just don't ask us to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We want that sweet sweet tuition to pad our deep pockets.

  4. This is UCSC we're talking about by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Half the professors are probably already living in their cars themselves.

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    1. Re:This is UCSC we're talking about by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      They still have the trunk, don't they?

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    2. Re: This is UCSC we're talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the trunk in a Honda Fit?

  5. They're asking the wrong people by Dasher42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The faculty and most of the staff are almost as screwed over as the students themselves. They're not the comfortably tenured gentry with huge studies in lavish mansions some people are thinking of. It's the top brass that have locked down that lifestyle for themselves. In turn, rich landlords who've inherited ownership to huge sprawls of real estate the normal person can hardly afford a closet in are the price-gouging profiteers with little interest in the actual health of those living there. I think the ones renting out giant victorians they got with their trust fund just to cover their monthly wine bill - yes I'm thinking of specific actual people I've encountered - are the ones whose resources exceed their current contribution or merit, and might need to foot some extra bills. Hey, they used to call that noblesse oblige.

    1. Re:They're asking the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever knew success you probably would not speak so harshly of it.

    2. Re:They're asking the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly this - they should be asking all the provosts, chairs, vice presidents, directors, presidents, chairmen, boardmembers, and deans.

    3. Re:They're asking the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 enciteful

      Why do people insist on living in crowded places they cannot afford? The movie theaters, ethnic cuisine, shopping?

      There are more affordable places with lower population density. They should consider those too.

    4. Re:They're asking the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UCSC Chancellor: ~407K/yr
      Diversity Office budget: haven't been able to dig an exact number up yet, but it ain't cheap.

        non-associate Professor: ~100-170K/yr ( not including Grant money they themselves obtained)

      Screw the administration.

  6. Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We live in the age of #metoo. Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

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    1. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Students singing Meat Loaf - I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)...

    2. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Especially when you pronounce it "pound me too"

      Somehow I reverted back to always pronouncing '#' as "pound" instead of "hashtag" - it makes many of those tags much more interesting...

    3. Re:Fuggidaboudit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

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    4. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      You're completely missing the point. Ol Olsoc isn't saying that sexual misconduct is acceptable or that people should remain silent about abuse against them when it happens.

      What he is saying is that students sharing living space with professors is the sort of arrangement that is only a matter of time before a problem arises. On the positive side, the #metoo movement likely dissuades professors from participating if they don't have enough self control to keep their sexual encounters limited to consensual ones.

      On the negative side, a false accusation would still be career ending. Even if the argument is that such accusations are infrequent, it's a tough sell to try and argue that the number of false accusations would decrease when students and professors are sharing living space.

      But let's assume that every student and every professor manages to avoid non-consensual sexual encounters with each other, 100% of the time.Given that a university is far more likely to side with a student than a professor in a he-said-she-said situation, it's still risky for other reasons. If jewelry suddenly goes missing, how would one even attempt to investigate the student? How many rules is the professor allowed to set about what the student can and cannot do in the professor's home? Does the professor have the ability to evict a student if they so choose, or are they required to keep them through the semester?

      Really, the answer is that the college needs to expand the number of on-prem dorms and be done with it. There are so many ways this can turn into a massive issue for everybody.

    5. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      Make no mistake, for prudent men, it isn't fear. It is a simple risk versus reward analysis. You start off with the risks. Some pretty simple things can destroy your career, and there will be no chance to defend yourself. I use the winking as sexual harassment example quite often. You have to second guess anything that you say. The rewards? It is rather difficult to find any - can you?

      The problem is not that people should be punished for unwanted sexual imposition upon another. That is established law. That is not what #metoo is about.

      #metoo is trial and conviction by social media, but with a bent on destroying males.

      Do you want to know what is dreadful? One of the founders and leaders of the #metoo movement, Asia Argento, turns out to be everything the movement claims to be against. This lady was enjoying fucking an underage lad by the name of Jimmy Bennett, and was collecting nude pictures of the lad since he was 12 years old. Her late boyfriend Anthony Bourdain gave her 350,000 dollars to settle a lawsuit against her for her fun with the boy. Now of course, Argento claimed that she was the victim of the boy, but as photos and texts have surfaced, sorry, no. She did enjoy fucking the child. She is what she is.

      And yet, for all of this, there are people who are buying her side of the story, despite the evidence. To make this truly interesting, she has decided to keep the last payment of the money she took from Bourdain for herself, rather than pay the boy she sexually abused.

      Sorry, angry person. There are many of us who are more concerned about our careers than destruction of it for some lame reason, or coming up against a sexual predator sociopath. And taking in a student is an incredibly bad idea. There is no upside to it. That is my point. What upside is there to me, a middle aged man, to take in a 18 year old? There are some pretty obvious downsides in an era where winking at a woman is sexual harassment. Years ago, my wife and I took in students, they even had class meetings in our house. Now? no way. It isn't fear, it is merely avoiding situations of possible compromise.

      Is it likely? No, most people are pretty nice. But when there is no upside, and only downside, you take the prudent approach.

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    6. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      You're completely missing the point. Ol Olsoc isn't saying that sexual misconduct is acceptable or that people should remain silent about abuse against them when it happens.

      And make no mistake, I am saying that if someone is a victim of sexual misconduct, there are appropriate venues like the legal system and the police.

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      A good example is if I get up in the morning and there has been an ice storm the evening before, I do a RvsR analysis. I like going out to breakfast. I wake up slowly, and enjoy a few cups of coffee to get my mind ready for the day That is the reward part. But I don't want to drive on glare ice. I could wreck or be run into by another. So I brew a few cups at home.

      But I am in no way afraid of the ice. No fear. Only understanding that there can be problems when Ice is in the picture.

      This is what the people who are all agog about #metoo do not understand. Men who would never dream of abusing any women are mentally doing this RvsR analysis, and deciding that avoidance is preferable to highly public destruction. I've been seeing this lately. The ladies are chasing off the wrong people.

      While the men who are the problem will continue doing what they do.They won't miss a beat.

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    7. Re: Fuggidaboudit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With how nice the weather is there the forms can be build with army tents. Tesla is using these to build cars in them...

    8. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      Ask em if they put their seat belts on when they get in the car. It's not because they're planning on getting in an accident, but on the 1% chance (or whatever) that they might get in an accident that day. SJW's are thick but they'd have a hard time failing to see the logic in the comparison.

    9. Re:Fuggidaboudit by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I think you are wrong in asserting that the University would be more willing to side with the student. What they would do, however, is whatever it takes to sweep the event under the rug. That may appear to be the same, but it has many different secondary effects.

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    10. Re:Fuggidaboudit by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, the law has a long history of favoring those with power, and especially those males with power, and especially those males of the dominant social group with power.

      So while it's quite reasonable to doubt a lot of the accusations, it's also quite reasonable to believe that they didn't dare take their case to court without respect to whether it was valid or not.

      Trial by social media sure isn't guaranteed to produce justice, but neither is the legal system. And people are strongly disposed to pick the venue that they consider most favorable to themselves. Different systems have different biases, and were I a woman I'd think long and hard before I took even a conclusive case of sexual assault to the legal system.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    11. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      Ask em if they put their seat belts on when they get in the car. It's not because they're planning on getting in an accident, but on the 1% chance (or whatever) that they might get in an accident that day. SJW's are thick but they'd have a hard time failing to see the logic in the comparison.

      Excellent analogy. What happened here is that the accusation became the conviction. So while there wasn't a large chance of being accused, the results were ruinous if you were. So why interact other than what is absolutely necessary? The problem is that you don't know, and the woman has the rest of her life to decide if she wants to destroy you.

      Why take off the seat belt?

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    12. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Just to refine the point a little (since I can't stand those people) I'll ask them if putting on their seat belt means the SJW plans on driving drunk or watching a movie on their phone while behind the wheel. Or....maybe they're just taking reasonable precautions because an unlikely event can be disastrous, not because it's a sign of guilt or not being able to control themselves.

      I'm a little surprised that it was an Asia Argento who put some breaks on the #MeToo witch hunt, instead of another Duke Lacrosse incident blowing up in their faces.

    13. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Just to refine the point a little (since I can't stand those people) I'll ask them if putting on their seat belt means the SJW plans on driving drunk or watching a movie on their phone while behind the wheel. Or....maybe they're just taking reasonable precautions because an unlikely event can be disastrous, not because it's a sign of guilt or not being able to control themselves.

      I'm a little surprised that it was an Asia Argento who put some breaks on the #MeToo witch hunt, instead of another Duke Lacrosse incident blowing up in their faces.

      The Keillor travesty, the bad date with Aziz Ansari, and the Woman who likes to collect photos of 12 year old boys and fuck them. This is not an anomaly. There will be more to come. I do think that society now understands the nature of the movement, and many of it's adherents, so that is fortunate.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    14. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Just by the way - I am challenging our resident Social Justice Warriors to give us a good defense of poor Asia Argento. Anyone? Accept the challenge?

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  7. Legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this legal?

    In my country it is illegal for students to live in the home of any of their teachers unless they are related because the teachers are in a de facto position of power over the students.

    It creates a slippery slope of potential problems including things like molestation "hey, want to be kicked out of the school? Don't tell anyone what happened."

    It's legal for teachers in America to allow students to live with them?

    1. Re:Legal? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      They are all adults, so why not?

    2. Re:Legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you not read? The OP already said why: power disparity.

    3. Re:Legal? by physicsphairy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone who's house you live in is already in a position of considerable power. If they kick you out, you're homeless. It's better to provide laws protecting tenants than to not let anyone ever live at anyone else's property.

    4. Re:Legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a custodial relationship. It may be legal but not ethical or moral.

    5. Re:Legal? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Honestly, that sounds like an oddly specific law.

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    6. Re:Legal? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      So "banging your grades out" is now a thing? What a slutty thing to do. But hey, sex = power, so it's not like anything new.

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    7. Re:Legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got it exactly backwards: once you sign the rental agreement (and you'd have to for liability reasons) the renter has you over a barrel. You know how difficult it is, especially on the Left Coast, to get rid of a tenant even if their conduct is egregious and they're not paying their rent? I'll bet that UCSC offered zilch in the way of support for those poor fools who think allowing some homeless person (already proven to have poor planning/self-discipline skills) into their home is a "good idea". The other obvious problem is that either the rent would be subsidized (probably by the owner, sure as sh!t UCSC isn't offering) or they have to charge "market rate". If they don't, the IRS might get interested in their tax returns...But, hey, many of these people (employees of UCSC) have never held down a job which supported them (not that all UCSC jobs do that) that didn't rely on government coffers to foot the bill, so their grasp of the realities of being a landlord are likely to be idealistic.

    8. Re:Legal? by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      Do you mean there is an actual law, or just your university regulation? What is your country? I guess some weird one like France :))?

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    9. Re:Legal? by yarbo · · Score: 1

      UCSC is a large school, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to find a student with a different major and then not take their classes.

    10. Re:Legal? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      And the rules are already there

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  8. #metoo! by grasshoppa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Any professor dumb enough to do this deserves whatever they get, particularly if the student is female.

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    1. Re:#metoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any professor dumb enough to do this deserves whatever they get, particularly if the student is female.

      What kind of disgusting excuse for a human being would assault a student roommate? Sorry, but real men actually have female roommates and don't try to fuck them, let alone assault them.

      Real men. Not immature douche bags that can't be trusted around women or little girls. It's like in your world men and women don't live or work together, where the fuck is that?

    2. Re:#metoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's what the OP is referring to. the @metoo movement has sprung a lot of fake accusers that rejoice in the attention and mob benefits.

    3. Re:#metoo! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      1. All men are rapists. 2. Being falsely accused of rape is common in educational environments. Accused lack protections such as being informed of the charges against him, the ability to confront the accuser, and right to legal representation during trial. Men are fools to treat women with anything but wariness.

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    4. Re:#metoo! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      You end up with a close situation with an unhealthy power dynamic. It's not about "real men," it's about reality, and not creating perverse incentives.

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  9. So maybe they should bulldoze that football field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and put dormitories in it's place.

    But we'll never do THAT

  10. Administrators by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how many of them are allowing a student to shack up with them, since they're the ones with the big houses? If they're not leading by example, they're being hypocritical.

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    1. Re:Administrators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't possible expect the Associate Deputy President of Internal Compliance for the Task Force on Community Partnerships to actually interact with students can you?

  11. I have a better idea by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    Or...MOVE. Go to school literally anywhere else. You know why I live where I live? Because I can afford it. What is it with this entitled BS where everyone thinks they're going to be a superstar employee and deserve to work at some giant silicon valley hellhole of a company? Get real, get a life, and get a real job after going to a real college.

  12. Build more on campus housing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why donâ(TM)t these universities simply build some skyscraper sized student housing on campus?

    Oh...I know why.

  13. Re:So maybe they should bulldoze that football fie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and put dormitories in it is place.

    But we'll never do THAT

    You start your sentence in the middle, then misuse "it's".

    What is it that you are trying to say?

  14. Re: So maybe they should bulldoze that football fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried to - the city shot it down.

  15. Good deal for gay profs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some fresh young chickens to sodomize and molest in exchange for room and board. Cool. Fabulous really.

  16. Clearly not an econ major. by steak · · Score: 1

    "a senior at UCSC told the CBS affiliate that some 'landlords are kind of jacking up the prices because they know about this.'"

    Isn't supply and demand day one in business school?

  17. How many of Santa Cruzâ(TM)s professors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are adjunct and paid a pittance?

  18. Why not free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since these colleges are the ones teaching socialism all day long, why shouldn't they each house a half dozen students for free??? After all, share the wealth, right?

  19. Dormitories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's an ancient word for such living spaces: "Animal House"... The movie.

  20. Valley go home! by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Do what I did and pitch a tent in the redwoods behind campus. Bonus: You can tell your advisor a cougar ate your dissertation.

    Fiat Slug!

  21. The root cause is NIMBYism by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

    Previously ridiculous stories about how people are trying to cope with the housing crisis are becoming commonplace, but all of it is a band-aid. The real problem is that the Bay Area has refused, city by city, to build sufficient new housing. Delusional NIMBY homeowners believe that they can block all new development and prevent their city from ever changing. Meanwhile, their children moved out of state, service workers commute hours each way coming in from Stockton, car traffic gets worse because so few can live near transit, and nobody new can move in save a few tech workers.

    1. Re: The root cause is NIMBYism by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, those NIMBY people are not delusional: they've been mostly successful at keeping new housing out.

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  22. not going far enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... how about "share your bed with a student" instead?

  23. Why are there not more rental units? by jwbales · · Score: 0

    This is very odd. Most universities are surrounded by scores of apartment buildings. And if real estate is too expensive close to campus, there are usually lots of apartment buildings further away but with shuttle buses to campus.
    When demand is high, supply increases to fill the demand. This is how capitalism works. Why is capitalism not working in Silicon Valley? Why are developers not flooding into the area to build lots of rental units? Perhaps the university should focus on answering that question. I suspect they employ a few economists.

  24. Low density coastal forested hilly region by drnb · · Score: 1

    Santa Cruz is part of the University of California system. It doesn't need to move. There are other UC campuses across the state. As well as numerous California State University system campuses as well.

    Santa Cruz's draw is that it is in low density coastal forested hilly region. It is not like San Francisco nor Silicon Valley.

  25. A portrait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of a nation in decline.

  26. I'd let a coed stay at my home by Archfeld · · Score: 1
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  27. Fool them while they're still fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody is forcing those students to attend that school.
    If they can't afford housing in the area, they shouldn't attend the school.
    If the housing market is turning students away from the school, the school should build dorms that are affordable for students.
    If the cost of building dorms is too high, they should wait until the housing bubble pops and then buy the cheap real estate.
    That bubble won't pop until tech companies start their exodus from SV.

  28. THANKS FOR THE LESSON IN DUMBASS SHIT CIRBY FAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retard lol.

  29. Perspective by Wizardess · · Score: 1

    If I may add a little perspective here, When adjusted for inflation that is within a factor two of what I paid for a small one room apartment above a drugstore on the intersection of State and Packard in Ann Arbor while I was an engineering student at the University of Michigan. This problem is NOT new by any means.
    {o.o}

  30. This reminds me of my local Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that was running a food drive for their own employees. Nothing like asking others to deal with the problems you caused yourself.

    Why should the students get special treatment over the swaths of blue-collar workers with the same problem?
        Oh that's right, secretaries janitors and food service employees aren't a blip on their radar.

    How about asking the corporate officers of these companies to pitch in and host a bunch of people in their mansions?
        Oh that's right, most rich people expect the peasants to shoulder the burden.

    If you can't afford to live in your college town, too bad - take a course in Econ 101 and read up on supply/demand.

  31. Ha ha, this is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about the UCSC's income from the crazy tuition fees? We all know that in America education is not about education, but about making profit.

    When you guys get sick you have to go to fundme.com to get money for treatment because you're already in so much debt that you can't get another loan for medical care.

    And now your students can't even get indebted to get through university, because they've got nowhere to live, so they have to ask the staff to house them...

    How's that capitalism and those free markets working out for ya?

    1. Re:Ha ha, this is hilarious by DigressivePoser · · Score: 1

      Well I chose a college in a town that wasn't crazy expensive to live in, worked part time, and lived within my means. Very little debt when I finally graduated. So capitalism worked out just fine for me.

  32. So,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stop giving colleges and landlords the demand side of supply and demand. Prices will go down.

  33. Shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They take the students' money, and have no accommodations for living.

    Another scam.

    That UC is filled to the brim with the most stuck-up Cal rejects I have ever met. That campus is located atop the mountain, overlooking the ocean. A great perch from which they can judge all of us.

    1. Re:Shameful by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They take the students' money, and have no accommodations for living.
      Another scam.

      It's even more of a scam than you think. UCSC promised to build more housing decades ago and didn't. That's how we got to where we are now. Literally twenty years ago I had to rent a room in a house because I couldn't afford anything else, and I was working for Cisco at the time. Part of that was that they were sleazy enough to never pay me a real wage; they hired me as an intern to be a lab admin in spite of my not being a student anywhere, and they promised to convert my position to full-time and then never did so I left to work as sysadmin for Gay.com which was both a better job and came with better pay. The other part was that Santa Cruz has had a housing shortage literally since the university opened, because they never built enough housing.

      Now they're trying to build more, but an endangered (or maybe just threatened) frog was found on the originally planned site, so they split the plan to move some of the housing into a Meadow that they originally classified as not for development. There's no legal restriction preventing them, as far as I can tell; I read several articles on the subject and literally none of them claim that there is any such. But some UCSC residents and alumni are trying to NIMBY it out of existence in spite of the fact that it's not their back yard, it's UCSC's front yard. They're all upset that UCSC wants to displace some cows so that they can house students. Problem is, if they put it anywhere else they'd have to cut redwoods, and then you get tree-sitters moving in to prevent that from happening. In fact, a study has indicated that about twice as many people oppose tree-cutting as oppose development of the meadow.

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  34. Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Everything about this story is wrong, or at least half-assed. Santa Cruz is not in the silly valley, first and foremost. It is on the other side of the Santa Cruz mountains from there. Second, and more importantly, it ignores the cause of the situation entirely: it is 100% the university's fault. They are behind even their own promises to build housing. The current debate is over whether they should build some in "the meadow", an empty field which lies between the campus and the town. They promised never to build there and a lot of people are angry that they are even suggesting it, but there is nowhere better suited. Not only is it ideally located, but to build anywhere else would require cutting a bunch of redwoods. The ultimate in nimbyism is not wanting UCSC to build student housing in their OWN back yard. Regardless, they promised many years ago to build more student housing, and they have not done so.

    Not providing enough student housing but expanding admissions has really put the screws to everyone else. Less than 10% of the people I knew growing up still live there. Most of them have moved quite far away. The majority of the remainder had special help from their parents, like being given an entire house.

    I am not opposed to the very existence of the college, like many older native Santa Cruzans, but its mismanagement does irk me.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    1. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drnb · · Score: 1

      The "meadow" may be legally off limits due to the agreement by which the land was donated to the UC system. Other UC and CSU campuses have such provisions/restrictions, perhaps here too?

    2. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that they are not so bound in this instance.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drnb · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that they are not so bound in this instance.

      Meaning specifically this meadow? I'm somewhat confident some of the land around UCSC consists of some type of preserves.

    4. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Meaning specifically this meadow?

      Correct.

      I'm somewhat confident some of the land around UCSC consists of some type of preserves.

      Yes, the land around its land. It's bordered on one side by Pogonip, and on another side by Henry Cowell. Further, 410 acres of the campus itself are "protected natural lands". However, the campus totals 2,000 acres. A quick back of the envelope calculation :) reveals that this leaves over 1,500 acres.

      They can't just go developing randomly though, because people will protest pretty much regardless of what they do. However, people will protest most strenuously if they try to cut down any redwood trees, so that's pretty much a non-starter.

      UCSC has never literally promised not to build on the meadow, they only never previously put the meadow into their construction plans because it was not necessary. However, since they are not first and foremost an A&M or similar, they don't really need all that meadow space like Davis needs theirs. Last I checked, UCSC was known primarily for science, computing, and marine bio. There's a shortage of sea life in the meadow...

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  35. Forget it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans, as well as al the human race, don't get married, have children, and buy a house to share with strangers. This is atouchie, feelie, socialist idea that will go nowhere.

  36. AirBnb? by shayd2 · · Score: 1

    The students is mid-California need an app for this. Maybe USCBnB?

  37. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should the professors leave money on the table? They should lease at market rates.

    Want lower rent? Build enough housing or reduce the number of people.

  38. The whole thing is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't get to call San Francisco or Santa Cruz part of Silicon Valley, especially in the context of housing. Either of those locations means driving 40-60 miles to work in proper Silicon Valley, with thousands of acres of undeveloped land in between and lots of small cities that are cheaper to live in than either Santa Cruz or San Jose-Santa Clara-Cupertino.

    1. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

      And yet, areas as far away as Oakland are affected.

      For smart people, these corporations in Silicon Valley (proper) are incredibly short-sighted—either that, or they don't give a shit about the community they are located in.

    2. Re:The whole thing is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oakland is on the other side of the Bay Bridge. "as far away as" ? you fucking dipshit.

    3. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Somebody is geography-challenged. If you are crossing over to "Silicon Valley", you wouldn't cross the Bay Bridge.

    4. Re:The whole thing is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck would you drive through Silicon Valley to go from SF to Oakland? Are you a moron? Do you like turning a 15 minute trip through the City into a 2 hour trek around the Bay?

    5. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

      I congratulate your intelligence in being able to follow this very short thread successfully. Congratulations!

    6. Re:The whole thing is stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Silicon Valley is generally described by people in the area as stretching up to San Francisco and down to Santa Cruz. And the housing struggle is pretty much the same all the way down, although it gets better in the Santa Cruz area.

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    7. Re:The whole thing is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad I posted as AC so there is no record of me talking to an idiot.

    8. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on your excellent life-decision-making skill!

    9. Re:The whole thing is stupid by jtgd · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I posted as AC so there is no record of me proving I'm an idiot.

      FTFY.

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  39. On campus housing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only California could have something like this happen to them. If you're desperate for student housing, build more student housing buildings on University property you f*ckwits. You can't tell me you can't have the room. Not a single building on that campus has more than 4 floors.

  40. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simplest solution is to allow professors to host only students of different majors so that it's very unlikely they will ever be in a class together.

  41. Must be an exception for locals by drnb · · Score: 1

    There must be an exception for students who live locally. Myself and friends who applied to our local (local as living in the same town as the campus) UC campus and no others had no problems getting in. 3 CS, 2 EE, decades ago.

    No problem a decade ago with a different UC campus that was local to home and work, again, all three in the same town. Grad school this time.

    Decades ago the most economical housing solution was getting together with three others you knew and trust and the four of you rent a four bedroom house near campus. Not sure how practical this is today.

    1. Re:Must be an exception for locals by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Maybe they didn't keep that policy (without knowing which one). At the time I applied you could apply to just your favorite campus, with a large chance of being turned down. Later I was told that this only applied to certain campuses. Later still I was told they were harmonizing the policy across the university campuses. Shortly after that I graduated and stopped paying attention.

      Also, the year before I applied at certain campuses you could specify that this was the one you wanted, but other campuses didn't allow that.

      OTOH, perhaps this was all driven by computerizing their system. They never said that, but that was certainly going on at the same time.

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  42. coastal area with hills and forests, and preserves by drnb · · Score: 1

    Santa Cruz is not Silicon Valley. It is a coastal community with hills and forests and mountains between it and Silicon Valley. The UC campus is semi secluded and borders forest and fields that are preserves or otherwise legally not developable. Its not like other UC campuses that were literally built on the edge of town and were quickly surrounded by apartments within walking distance of campus.

  43. UC not a trade school by drnb · · Score: 1

    The simplest solution is to allow professors to host only students of different majors so that it's very unlikely they will ever be in a class together.

    The UC system is not a trade school, it is a university, you will be taking classes outside of your major so that you acquire a broad and more complete education.

    1. Re:UC not a trade school by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How many gen ed (or whatever you call them, we don't have them) courses are you going to take? Fewer than the number of departments, I'd suspect.

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    2. Re:UC not a trade school by drnb · · Score: 1

      How many gen ed (or whatever you call them, we don't have them) courses are you going to take? Fewer than the number of departments, I'd suspect.

      You can't predict departments. Say general ed requires a four unit biology class, some qualifying classes will come from departments other than biology. For example a geology class that focuses on paleontology. Much of general ed works this way, specifying an area of study not a department.

  44. Foxes/chicken coops by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Can't see any way that this could abused!

  45. Re:coastal area with hills and forests, and preser by jwbales · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the clarification on the campus location. So it is unfortunate land use planning, then. I suspected the heavy hand of government--the usual suspect when supply and demand are out of whack.

  46. Santa Cruz is not in Silicon Valley by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    It appears the writer or Slashdot editor has zero clue about what a "valley" is and fails to realize that Santa Cruz is a city located on the coast of California, on the other side of the Santa Cruz Mountains which separate it from the actual geographical valley referred to as Silicon Valley.

    That clarified, 12 years ago I happened to look for affordable housing in the communities surrounding Santa Cruz (the city itself has been trashed by drug addicts and illegal aliens.) Pricing for a room in someone's home back in 2006 was $950 a month, apartment started at $1,250. I can't imagine it has gotten any better now.

    Also, the reason that area is filled with single family homes is due to white flight as people escaped the valley to live in peace from the melting pot of Silicon Valley. NIMBY Democrats are strong in that area and will fight tooth and nail against apartments, especially low-income apartments, being built anywhere near them.

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  47. People are acting stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a lie. People here call it The Bay Area. San Francisco is called The City. Santa Clara County is called Silicon Valley. From Berkeley to Oakland to Fremont is called East Bay.

    If you're looking for an example of the ambiguity behind what constitutes Silicon Valley, there is a small controversial exception that Fremont (and sometimes Pleasanton and Livermore) is included in Silicon Valley even though it is in Alameda County and there are cities between it that aren't normally considered part of Silicon Valley proper. Also Fremont isn't a Valley.

    Pleasaton-Livermore-Dublin form the Tri-Valley area, but they aren't known for silicon wafer fabrication. There is a significant research into particle physics and aerospace, but that's not necessarily the same as the start-up tech boom we're used to associating with Silicon Valley.

    Now there is no denying that San Francisco, Livermore, Berkeley and other places around the Bay are serious tech regions. But they lack the history of silicon wafer fabrication and most of them aren't any sort of valley. Maybe you think San Francisco and Oakland feels like Silicon Valley, if so then come up with a new moniker that makes some damn sense.

    You don't get to make up new meanings for existing words. And you don't get to support your bullshit definition with false claims.

    Also, Santa Cruz is in no way or shape a tech hub. Their housing market also operates on different pressures. The Santa Cruz-Capitola-Felton-Scotts Valley housing market has not seen the growth rate that has occurred on the other side of the Santa Cruz Mountain range. While some Santa Clara County tech workers may wish to live in the cheaper Santa Cruz County, the commute time is a big factor. As well as the significantly higher crime rate in Santa Cruz, including [hard] drug abuse problems in their public schools.

    1. Re:People are acting stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Lived there. We called it by both terms, frequently. Silicon Valley stretched all the way from San Francisco to SantaClara, and was the tech corridor. Nobody EVER said it didn't include San Francisco. Time to get out of the 90s and learn modern reality.

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    2. Re:People are acting stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so full of shit. I live here. And I'm telling you that the city council already fights this nonsense. We don't like it when companies claim to be "in Silicon Valley", but are really up in San Mateo.

      Why? Because it makes no damn sense. It's as bullshit as people who try to call SF names like "Frisco". Locals don't call it that.

      You ain't local.

    3. Re:People are acting stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      I suggest you stop tilting at windmills, people, including the people who live there, haven't considered "Silicon Valley" to be a synonym for "Santa Cruz Valley" for a good 20 years. San Francisco was considered part of the Valley when I was first doing tours there on interviews 20 years ago. You may not like it, but its reality.

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    4. Re:People are acting stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Words have meaning. If they didn't we couldn't use them. Just like San Jose isn't part of Golden Gate Park, San Francisco is not part of Silicon Valley. Does Napa get to claim that it is basically France because it has grapes?

      Pretty straight forward definition in the first paragraph of Wikipedia:

      Silicon Valley (abbreviated as SV) is a region in the southern San Francisco Bay Area of Northern California, referring to the Santa Clara Valley, which serves as the global center for high technology, innovation and social media. San Jose is the Valley's largest city, the 3rd-largest in California, and the 10th-largest in the United States. Other major SV cities include Palo Alto, Santa Clara, Mountain View, and Sunnyvale. The San Jose Metropolitan Area has the third highest GDP per capita in the world (after Zurich, Switzerland and Oslo, Norway), according to the Brookings Institution.

      Stop being a dumb ass. You were wrong initially. You could have conceded and saved face. But instead you wanted to drive home that you're a stubborn idiot.