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Silicon Valley University Asks Professors To Offer Students Affordable Housing (fortune.com)

Housing in Silicon Valley is getting so expensive that the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC) petitioned 6,000 faculty and staff members to consider offering students "a room in your home." The college's housing director David Keller wrote in a letter that there are "several hundred students" at the university who don't have "housing guarantees" and need support. Fortune reports: Silicon Valley is notorious for its high living costs. And, according to the report, Santa Cruz and its surrounding areas have far more single-family homes than affordable apartments. Worse yet, a senior at UCSC told the CBS affiliate that some "landlords are kind of jacking up the prices because they know about this." The student, Leon Pham, told CBS that he'll pay $1,100 per month for a small room in a shared house.

Still, there are potentially negative implications to schools asking for professors to rent rooms in their homes to students. Professors are still required to fairly judge student work, and a healthy separation between professors and students is usually what colleges want. The housing crunch, however, might have forced the university's hand. And a spokesperson from the school told CBS that the college has policies that govern "the conduct of students and professors."

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  1. Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Santa Cruz is in Silicon Valley?

    1. Re:Not Silicon Valley by jtgd · · Score: 1

      It is considered as such by some. So is San Francisco which is even farther away than Santa Cruz.

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    2. Re:Not Silicon Valley by stevew · · Score: 1

      You beat me to pointing out the obvious. No it isn't part of the "Valley" In fact it is on the other side of the hills that form the "Valley."

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    3. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But they are both not of course. Because neither are in the Santa Clara valley.

    4. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Santa Cruz is in Silicon Valley?

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

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    5. Re:Not Silicon Valley by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is considered as such by some. So is San Francisco which is even farther away than Santa Cruz.

      The "valley" in Silicon Valley is Santa Clara Valley. Neither San Francisco nor Santa Cruz is in the valley. SCV is bounded by the Santa Cruz Mountains on the west (the city of Santa Cruz is on the other side of these mountains) and the Diablo Range on the east.

      Santa Clara Valley

    6. Re:Not Silicon Valley by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

      So, then is Santa Craws the Asian guy who gives presents to children at Christmas time?

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    7. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      No silly, Santa Cruz is the Hispanic guy that gives presents to children at Christmas time.

      So, then is Santa Craws the Asian guy who gives presents to children at Christmas time?

      Oh, we are both lucky we're pseudonymous tonight. But yeah, he is.

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    8. Re:Not Silicon Valley by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      Housing in Silicon Valley is getting so expensive that the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC) petitioned 6,000 faculty and staff members to consider offering students "a room in your home."

      The headline is straight up wrong, but I think it's interesting that this sentence in the summary could actually be using SV correctly. Santa Cruz does see the spillover from SV's refusal to build more housing.

      Really they should have used Bay Area throughout because it's the (mostly interconnected) Bay Area housing market that is relevant to the discussion.

    9. Re:Not Silicon Valley by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Boundaries aren't static when you're not talking about a geographical feature. What would be considered the suburbs of almost every major US city are further out than they were 20 years ago. Silicon Valley started as Santa Clara Valley, but its grown since then.

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    10. Re:Not Silicon Valley by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      In terms of the metropolitan area for population, Newark is considered part of New York City, AFAIK.

    11. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Only to the children with A+ grades.

    12. Re: Not Silicon Valley by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Newark airport is considered a NYC airport by airlines.

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    13. Re:Not Silicon Valley by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Santa Cruz does see the spillover from SV's refusal to build more housing."

      Sure, but that's more a problem for commuters than home-seekers. Home prices in Santa Cruz are still higher than most of the valley.

      "Really they should have used Bay Area throughout because it's the (mostly interconnected) Bay Area housing market that is relevant to the discussion."

      Nope. Santa Cruz is not in the Bay area either. That refers to the San Francisco Bay, but Santa Cruz is on the Monterey Bay. Santa Cruz county is its own geographic region, including the mountains and about half of the Bay. The Monterey area is also its own region by local convention, even though they share a bay.

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    14. Re:Not Silicon Valley by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      You win the thread

    15. Re:Not Silicon Valley by jtgd · · Score: 1

      "Silicon Valley" is more than just Santa Clara valley. It is the region of high-tech around the Bay Area. Sprawl, and the search for affordable housing.

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  2. I have an idea... by cirby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The university could set up its own living accommodations. That way, students could live right on university property, at a reduced rate, instead of having to hunt for overpriced spaces in the town. They could make them basic, 150-square-foot living quarters - room, bed, with a communal bathroom - without all of the bells and whistles that seem to make university living cost so much.

    There's an ancient word for such living spaces: "dormitories."

    1. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alternative: students who cannot afford housing on the local market (at schools which do not provide these dormitories of which you speak), should attend different schools. Two possibilities that spring to mind are schools in more affordable markets, or schools which the student could attend while living with family.

    2. Re:I have an idea... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

      I think if it was that easy then there would be no housing problem in San Francisco in the first place. It's a problem the city has created for itself, such as by limiting buildings to 40 ft in height. Where are these new dorms going to be put? At least renting out extra rooms (presuming there are some) can be done instantaneously in response to an unusually large incoming class. Erecting new dormitories, if that's even possible, not so much.

      IMHO the university's best long term bet is to move entirely. There is plenty of cheap housing elsewhere. Students are incredibly mobile -- a good chunk are probably already there from out-of-state or out-of-country. Professors typically also tend to choose their location according to the work rather than the reverse. The school can certainly maintain a presence for any research tightly integrated with local businesses (perhaps leave their grad school there) but their ~16k undergraduates doubtless could learn Eng Lit 101 just as comfortably twenty miles away and still be able to pursue summer internships with the big tech firms, etc.

    3. Re: I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Add chapter 11 and 7 to student loans that will fix it

    4. Re:I have an idea... by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Forget the tuition money, they have a $190M endowment. That's money they can get at without asking the state for a dime.

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    5. Re:I have an idea... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      I 2nd that Go Slugs. I lived on campus because I could not afford anything off campus and did not want to live like a troll on the beach. I transferred in from DVC (tinker toy tech) Jr college, a long time ago in a galaxy far away.

      Fiat Lux

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    6. Re:I have an idea... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Ah yes, the slogan of the right wing: "You peasants don't deserve an education at the university you desire".

    7. Re: I have an idea... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      And what the hell is wrong with that?

      *Nothing* prevents other schools from offering the same courses with the same quality of instruction.

      Quality of instruction is only one of the benefits of attending a particular institution. So attending one elsewhere with the same quality and courses will not be as good, as it won't have the same reputation. Reputations can take decades to establish.

    8. Re: I have an idea... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      If the playing field is too far from level then you are effectively throwing away talent that could enhance the economy.

    9. Re:I have an idea... by cirby · · Score: 1

      If they had enough housing space on campus, this article would never have been written. ...and if you were half as smart as you think you are, you might have learned of a thing called "sarcasm."

    10. Re:I have an idea... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      That assumes that schools are commodities with no difference between them. I know little of this institution but I'm guessing that being in that area with a lot of tech companies is probably a big draw for people looking to get jobs at said companies.

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    11. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes, the slogan of the right wing: "You peasants don't deserve an education at the university you desire".

      Why turn this into a left/right thing?

      Up until a couple of years ago I was driving a 15+ year old vehicle. When it gave up the ghost I had to get a new one. Now, I desired Lamborghini Huracan because I thought it would best meet my transportation needs. I looked at the price, however, and realized it was not possible for me. Now, at this point, I had two possibilities: 1) take out a loan larger than a typical home mortgage to buy the Lamborghini; or, 2) go with something more affordable. I went with 2 and bought a small Honda (without a loan). It turns out that the Honda gets me from place to place just fine and not having a car loan has some considerable benefits.

      Now, when it comes to college, people have to separate what they want from what they need. Sure, everybody wants to go to a top-flight school in a trendy city. But not everybody can afford that. So, people have to decide whether the actual education is more important than the cachet of the name and location of the school that they attended. For the vast majority of people who borrow to attend college, the benefits of emerging with smaller debt (or none at all) is far an excess of the benefit of attending a school with name recognition that is in a trendy city.

      Is this perfect? Nope. But if you don't think that what I suggest is part of the solution to the student loan and cost of education crisis, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.

    12. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That assumes that schools are commodities with no difference between them.

      It does not make that assumption. It makes the assumption that the students (and possibly their parents) make an honest assessment of whether attending UCSC and graduating with, say, $150k in debt is a better long term value than attending their local State University and emerging from that experience with like $20k in debt.

      Will attending a local State University affect employability out of school? Possibly. While it affect life long earning potential? For 99%+ of people that is highly unlikely. The correlation in earning potential has to do far more with the field in which a degree is earned than it does the school which one attended.

      I suspect that most people who rack enormous debts in school do not actually consider the alternatives.

    13. Re: I have an idea... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      because fair access to post secondary education is crucial for an economy full of gigs.

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    14. Re: I have an idea... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Well, that's a good thing. You want to promote the arts, and making sure people dont charge too much rent to the ballet is a good way to do that.

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    15. Re:I have an idea... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Where are these new dorms going to be put?"

      In one of the gigantic fields between the campus and the town, which the University already owns, and barely uses. People don't want them built there for cosmetic reasons, but the University has more than enough space to build housing for all of its students.

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    16. Re: I have an idea... by DigressivePoser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And get the government out of student loans. So when the loan is discharged in bankruptcy, the bank takes the hit instead of the taxpayer.

    17. Re:I have an idea... by El+Cubano · · Score: 1

      I am not sure what is going on with the Troll/Overrated mods (actually, I think I know).

      Either way, what is troll-ish about the idea that higher education is an investment in yourself and in society and looking the cost/benefit in those terms? The value which one derives from the investment should be commensurate with the investment that is made.

      The value does not have to be strictly monetary. But let's face it, if you are not fortunate enough to come from a family that can foot the bill for an overpriced education, the only sensible thing to do is find a more affordable way to get that education. If you can land scholarships, then that's a good thing and might put something within reach that otherwise would be out of reach.

      Still, colleges throw billions of dollars into athletic scholarship, but only a small fraction of that into academic scholarships. In fact, most academic scholarships come from private organizations. So, why not take the schools to task for focusing on athletics over academics? Don't bother answering, because I and everybody already knows why this has not and never will happen.

    18. Re: I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The University of California is largely paid for by taxes, so yes, a university education should be a right, subject only to being an adequate student. Even that limit only to prevent wasting the time and effort of the professors.

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    19. Re:I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand the University of California enrollment process. You don't get to select the campus you want, you get to request it. If you are only willing to accept one campus, you will likely be rejected even if you otherwise qualify, because there are lots of students who aren't so picky. This is made worse because a certain number of "foreign exchange students" are accepted. This number is artificially high because they pay higher rates and are thus more profitable. Many of the campuses try to limit the number of undergraduates, so they can concentrate on graduate students. (I don't know to what extent the university allows this to actually be done, but I know attempts are made.)

      I'm not really that familiar with current procedures, but student choice is generally considered an thing that can readily be sacrificed to administrative whims. They've got more applicants than they can handle.

      I went there decades ago (different campus), and so, a decade or so earlier did my mother (same different campus). Neither of us liked the experience...though I don't know what the alternatives would have been like.

      FWIW, when I went to UC the dorms were more expensive than living in an apartment...but there was other student housing with provided meals that was cheaper. And, of course, the frats were more expensive than the dorms, but I never even considered them.

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    20. Re:I have an idea... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      A key item here is that the University of California is mainly paid for by taxes...which everyone pays. (OTOH, enrollment costs have skyrocketed over the last few decades, so that statement may be based on old data...and perhaps it's just "...largely paid for...".)

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    21. Re:I have an idea... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Because the sporting programs make a lot of money since they use free talent. They draw large crowds also. So your best bet is to be smart and play sports.

    22. Re:I have an idea... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea if you want to crystallise your class system so only the rich can attend the good universities.

    23. Re:I have an idea... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Why turn this into a left/right thing?

      It became a left/right thing when you put one of the Right's favorite ideas into play.
       

      But if you don't think that what I suggest is part of the solution to the student loan and cost of education crisis, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.

      0.o Nothing in the TFA said anything about student loans or the cost of education - they're entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. (Which is the cost of living in San Jose.) You literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about - but you sure can spout right wing nonsense.

  3. This is UCSC we're talking about by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Half the professors are probably already living in their cars themselves.

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    1. Re:This is UCSC we're talking about by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      They still have the trunk, don't they?

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  4. They're asking the wrong people by Dasher42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The faculty and most of the staff are almost as screwed over as the students themselves. They're not the comfortably tenured gentry with huge studies in lavish mansions some people are thinking of. It's the top brass that have locked down that lifestyle for themselves. In turn, rich landlords who've inherited ownership to huge sprawls of real estate the normal person can hardly afford a closet in are the price-gouging profiteers with little interest in the actual health of those living there. I think the ones renting out giant victorians they got with their trust fund just to cover their monthly wine bill - yes I'm thinking of specific actual people I've encountered - are the ones whose resources exceed their current contribution or merit, and might need to foot some extra bills. Hey, they used to call that noblesse oblige.

    1. Re:They're asking the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly this - they should be asking all the provosts, chairs, vice presidents, directors, presidents, chairmen, boardmembers, and deans.

  5. Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We live in the age of #metoo. Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

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    1. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Especially when you pronounce it "pound me too"

      Somehow I reverted back to always pronouncing '#' as "pound" instead of "hashtag" - it makes many of those tags much more interesting...

    2. Re:Fuggidaboudit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

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    3. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      You're completely missing the point. Ol Olsoc isn't saying that sexual misconduct is acceptable or that people should remain silent about abuse against them when it happens.

      What he is saying is that students sharing living space with professors is the sort of arrangement that is only a matter of time before a problem arises. On the positive side, the #metoo movement likely dissuades professors from participating if they don't have enough self control to keep their sexual encounters limited to consensual ones.

      On the negative side, a false accusation would still be career ending. Even if the argument is that such accusations are infrequent, it's a tough sell to try and argue that the number of false accusations would decrease when students and professors are sharing living space.

      But let's assume that every student and every professor manages to avoid non-consensual sexual encounters with each other, 100% of the time.Given that a university is far more likely to side with a student than a professor in a he-said-she-said situation, it's still risky for other reasons. If jewelry suddenly goes missing, how would one even attempt to investigate the student? How many rules is the professor allowed to set about what the student can and cannot do in the professor's home? Does the professor have the ability to evict a student if they so choose, or are they required to keep them through the semester?

      Really, the answer is that the college needs to expand the number of on-prem dorms and be done with it. There are so many ways this can turn into a massive issue for everybody.

    4. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      Make no mistake, for prudent men, it isn't fear. It is a simple risk versus reward analysis. You start off with the risks. Some pretty simple things can destroy your career, and there will be no chance to defend yourself. I use the winking as sexual harassment example quite often. You have to second guess anything that you say. The rewards? It is rather difficult to find any - can you?

      The problem is not that people should be punished for unwanted sexual imposition upon another. That is established law. That is not what #metoo is about.

      #metoo is trial and conviction by social media, but with a bent on destroying males.

      Do you want to know what is dreadful? One of the founders and leaders of the #metoo movement, Asia Argento, turns out to be everything the movement claims to be against. This lady was enjoying fucking an underage lad by the name of Jimmy Bennett, and was collecting nude pictures of the lad since he was 12 years old. Her late boyfriend Anthony Bourdain gave her 350,000 dollars to settle a lawsuit against her for her fun with the boy. Now of course, Argento claimed that she was the victim of the boy, but as photos and texts have surfaced, sorry, no. She did enjoy fucking the child. She is what she is.

      And yet, for all of this, there are people who are buying her side of the story, despite the evidence. To make this truly interesting, she has decided to keep the last payment of the money she took from Bourdain for herself, rather than pay the boy she sexually abused.

      Sorry, angry person. There are many of us who are more concerned about our careers than destruction of it for some lame reason, or coming up against a sexual predator sociopath. And taking in a student is an incredibly bad idea. There is no upside to it. That is my point. What upside is there to me, a middle aged man, to take in a 18 year old? There are some pretty obvious downsides in an era where winking at a woman is sexual harassment. Years ago, my wife and I took in students, they even had class meetings in our house. Now? no way. It isn't fear, it is merely avoiding situations of possible compromise.

      Is it likely? No, most people are pretty nice. But when there is no upside, and only downside, you take the prudent approach.

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    5. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We live in the age of #metoo.

      It's dreadful, really. Women and men in weaker positions getting all uppity and refusing to just shut up like good little peons.

      Any professor that would house a student is just asking to lose their career.

      You've certainly demonstrated we live in the age of wild fearmongering.

      You're completely missing the point. Ol Olsoc isn't saying that sexual misconduct is acceptable or that people should remain silent about abuse against them when it happens.

      And make no mistake, I am saying that if someone is a victim of sexual misconduct, there are appropriate venues like the legal system and the police.

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      A good example is if I get up in the morning and there has been an ice storm the evening before, I do a RvsR analysis. I like going out to breakfast. I wake up slowly, and enjoy a few cups of coffee to get my mind ready for the day That is the reward part. But I don't want to drive on glare ice. I could wreck or be run into by another. So I brew a few cups at home.

      But I am in no way afraid of the ice. No fear. Only understanding that there can be problems when Ice is in the picture.

      This is what the people who are all agog about #metoo do not understand. Men who would never dream of abusing any women are mentally doing this RvsR analysis, and deciding that avoidance is preferable to highly public destruction. I've been seeing this lately. The ladies are chasing off the wrong people.

      While the men who are the problem will continue doing what they do.They won't miss a beat.

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    6. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      Ask em if they put their seat belts on when they get in the car. It's not because they're planning on getting in an accident, but on the 1% chance (or whatever) that they might get in an accident that day. SJW's are thick but they'd have a hard time failing to see the logic in the comparison.

    7. Re:Fuggidaboudit by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I think you are wrong in asserting that the University would be more willing to side with the student. What they would do, however, is whatever it takes to sweep the event under the rug. That may appear to be the same, but it has many different secondary effects.

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    8. Re:Fuggidaboudit by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, the law has a long history of favoring those with power, and especially those males with power, and especially those males of the dominant social group with power.

      So while it's quite reasonable to doubt a lot of the accusations, it's also quite reasonable to believe that they didn't dare take their case to court without respect to whether it was valid or not.

      Trial by social media sure isn't guaranteed to produce justice, but neither is the legal system. And people are strongly disposed to pick the venue that they consider most favorable to themselves. Different systems have different biases, and were I a woman I'd think long and hard before I took even a conclusive case of sexual assault to the legal system.

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    9. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      For some strange reason, there are people who cannot grasp the simple concept of risk versus reward, and cannot understand that it is not fear.

      Ask em if they put their seat belts on when they get in the car. It's not because they're planning on getting in an accident, but on the 1% chance (or whatever) that they might get in an accident that day. SJW's are thick but they'd have a hard time failing to see the logic in the comparison.

      Excellent analogy. What happened here is that the accusation became the conviction. So while there wasn't a large chance of being accused, the results were ruinous if you were. So why interact other than what is absolutely necessary? The problem is that you don't know, and the woman has the rest of her life to decide if she wants to destroy you.

      Why take off the seat belt?

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    10. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Just to refine the point a little (since I can't stand those people) I'll ask them if putting on their seat belt means the SJW plans on driving drunk or watching a movie on their phone while behind the wheel. Or....maybe they're just taking reasonable precautions because an unlikely event can be disastrous, not because it's a sign of guilt or not being able to control themselves.

      I'm a little surprised that it was an Asia Argento who put some breaks on the #MeToo witch hunt, instead of another Duke Lacrosse incident blowing up in their faces.

    11. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Just to refine the point a little (since I can't stand those people) I'll ask them if putting on their seat belt means the SJW plans on driving drunk or watching a movie on their phone while behind the wheel. Or....maybe they're just taking reasonable precautions because an unlikely event can be disastrous, not because it's a sign of guilt or not being able to control themselves.

      I'm a little surprised that it was an Asia Argento who put some breaks on the #MeToo witch hunt, instead of another Duke Lacrosse incident blowing up in their faces.

      The Keillor travesty, the bad date with Aziz Ansari, and the Woman who likes to collect photos of 12 year old boys and fuck them. This is not an anomaly. There will be more to come. I do think that society now understands the nature of the movement, and many of it's adherents, so that is fortunate.

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    12. Re:Fuggidaboudit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Just by the way - I am challenging our resident Social Justice Warriors to give us a good defense of poor Asia Argento. Anyone? Accept the challenge?

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  6. Legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this legal?

    In my country it is illegal for students to live in the home of any of their teachers unless they are related because the teachers are in a de facto position of power over the students.

    It creates a slippery slope of potential problems including things like molestation "hey, want to be kicked out of the school? Don't tell anyone what happened."

    It's legal for teachers in America to allow students to live with them?

    1. Re:Legal? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      They are all adults, so why not?

    2. Re:Legal? by physicsphairy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone who's house you live in is already in a position of considerable power. If they kick you out, you're homeless. It's better to provide laws protecting tenants than to not let anyone ever live at anyone else's property.

    3. Re:Legal? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Honestly, that sounds like an oddly specific law.

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    4. Re:Legal? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      So "banging your grades out" is now a thing? What a slutty thing to do. But hey, sex = power, so it's not like anything new.

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    5. Re:Legal? by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      Do you mean there is an actual law, or just your university regulation? What is your country? I guess some weird one like France :))?

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    6. Re:Legal? by yarbo · · Score: 1

      UCSC is a large school, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to find a student with a different major and then not take their classes.

    7. Re:Legal? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      And the rules are already there

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  7. #metoo! by grasshoppa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Any professor dumb enough to do this deserves whatever they get, particularly if the student is female.

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    1. Re:#metoo! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      1. All men are rapists. 2. Being falsely accused of rape is common in educational environments. Accused lack protections such as being informed of the charges against him, the ability to confront the accuser, and right to legal representation during trial. Men are fools to treat women with anything but wariness.

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    2. Re:#metoo! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      You end up with a close situation with an unhealthy power dynamic. It's not about "real men," it's about reality, and not creating perverse incentives.

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  8. So maybe they should bulldoze that football field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and put dormitories in it's place.

    But we'll never do THAT

  9. Administrators by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how many of them are allowing a student to shack up with them, since they're the ones with the big houses? If they're not leading by example, they're being hypocritical.

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  10. Clearly not an econ major. by steak · · Score: 1

    "a senior at UCSC told the CBS affiliate that some 'landlords are kind of jacking up the prices because they know about this.'"

    Isn't supply and demand day one in business school?

  11. Valley go home! by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Do what I did and pitch a tent in the redwoods behind campus. Bonus: You can tell your advisor a cougar ate your dissertation.

    Fiat Slug!

  12. The root cause is NIMBYism by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

    Previously ridiculous stories about how people are trying to cope with the housing crisis are becoming commonplace, but all of it is a band-aid. The real problem is that the Bay Area has refused, city by city, to build sufficient new housing. Delusional NIMBY homeowners believe that they can block all new development and prevent their city from ever changing. Meanwhile, their children moved out of state, service workers commute hours each way coming in from Stockton, car traffic gets worse because so few can live near transit, and nobody new can move in save a few tech workers.

    1. Re: The root cause is NIMBYism by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, those NIMBY people are not delusional: they've been mostly successful at keeping new housing out.

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  13. Low density coastal forested hilly region by drnb · · Score: 1

    Santa Cruz is part of the University of California system. It doesn't need to move. There are other UC campuses across the state. As well as numerous California State University system campuses as well.

    Santa Cruz's draw is that it is in low density coastal forested hilly region. It is not like San Francisco nor Silicon Valley.

  14. I'd let a coed stay at my home by Archfeld · · Score: 1
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  15. Perspective by Wizardess · · Score: 1

    If I may add a little perspective here, When adjusted for inflation that is within a factor two of what I paid for a small one room apartment above a drugstore on the intersection of State and Packard in Ann Arbor while I was an engineering student at the University of Michigan. This problem is NOT new by any means.
    {o.o}

  16. This reminds me of my local Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that was running a food drive for their own employees. Nothing like asking others to deal with the problems you caused yourself.

    Why should the students get special treatment over the swaths of blue-collar workers with the same problem?
        Oh that's right, secretaries janitors and food service employees aren't a blip on their radar.

    How about asking the corporate officers of these companies to pitch in and host a bunch of people in their mansions?
        Oh that's right, most rich people expect the peasants to shoulder the burden.

    If you can't afford to live in your college town, too bad - take a course in Econ 101 and read up on supply/demand.

  17. Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Everything about this story is wrong, or at least half-assed. Santa Cruz is not in the silly valley, first and foremost. It is on the other side of the Santa Cruz mountains from there. Second, and more importantly, it ignores the cause of the situation entirely: it is 100% the university's fault. They are behind even their own promises to build housing. The current debate is over whether they should build some in "the meadow", an empty field which lies between the campus and the town. They promised never to build there and a lot of people are angry that they are even suggesting it, but there is nowhere better suited. Not only is it ideally located, but to build anywhere else would require cutting a bunch of redwoods. The ultimate in nimbyism is not wanting UCSC to build student housing in their OWN back yard. Regardless, they promised many years ago to build more student housing, and they have not done so.

    Not providing enough student housing but expanding admissions has really put the screws to everyone else. Less than 10% of the people I knew growing up still live there. Most of them have moved quite far away. The majority of the remainder had special help from their parents, like being given an entire house.

    I am not opposed to the very existence of the college, like many older native Santa Cruzans, but its mismanagement does irk me.

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    1. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drnb · · Score: 1

      The "meadow" may be legally off limits due to the agreement by which the land was donated to the UC system. Other UC and CSU campuses have such provisions/restrictions, perhaps here too?

    2. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that they are not so bound in this instance.

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    3. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drnb · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that they are not so bound in this instance.

      Meaning specifically this meadow? I'm somewhat confident some of the land around UCSC consists of some type of preserves.

    4. Re:Everything about this story is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Meaning specifically this meadow?

      Correct.

      I'm somewhat confident some of the land around UCSC consists of some type of preserves.

      Yes, the land around its land. It's bordered on one side by Pogonip, and on another side by Henry Cowell. Further, 410 acres of the campus itself are "protected natural lands". However, the campus totals 2,000 acres. A quick back of the envelope calculation :) reveals that this leaves over 1,500 acres.

      They can't just go developing randomly though, because people will protest pretty much regardless of what they do. However, people will protest most strenuously if they try to cut down any redwood trees, so that's pretty much a non-starter.

      UCSC has never literally promised not to build on the meadow, they only never previously put the meadow into their construction plans because it was not necessary. However, since they are not first and foremost an A&M or similar, they don't really need all that meadow space like Davis needs theirs. Last I checked, UCSC was known primarily for science, computing, and marine bio. There's a shortage of sea life in the meadow...

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  18. AirBnb? by shayd2 · · Score: 1

    The students is mid-California need an app for this. Maybe USCBnB?

  19. Re:Ha ha, this is hilarious by DigressivePoser · · Score: 1

    Well I chose a college in a town that wasn't crazy expensive to live in, worked part time, and lived within my means. Very little debt when I finally graduated. So capitalism worked out just fine for me.

  20. Must be an exception for locals by drnb · · Score: 1

    There must be an exception for students who live locally. Myself and friends who applied to our local (local as living in the same town as the campus) UC campus and no others had no problems getting in. 3 CS, 2 EE, decades ago.

    No problem a decade ago with a different UC campus that was local to home and work, again, all three in the same town. Grad school this time.

    Decades ago the most economical housing solution was getting together with three others you knew and trust and the four of you rent a four bedroom house near campus. Not sure how practical this is today.

    1. Re:Must be an exception for locals by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Maybe they didn't keep that policy (without knowing which one). At the time I applied you could apply to just your favorite campus, with a large chance of being turned down. Later I was told that this only applied to certain campuses. Later still I was told they were harmonizing the policy across the university campuses. Shortly after that I graduated and stopped paying attention.

      Also, the year before I applied at certain campuses you could specify that this was the one you wanted, but other campuses didn't allow that.

      OTOH, perhaps this was all driven by computerizing their system. They never said that, but that was certainly going on at the same time.

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  21. coastal area with hills and forests, and preserves by drnb · · Score: 1

    Santa Cruz is not Silicon Valley. It is a coastal community with hills and forests and mountains between it and Silicon Valley. The UC campus is semi secluded and borders forest and fields that are preserves or otherwise legally not developable. Its not like other UC campuses that were literally built on the edge of town and were quickly surrounded by apartments within walking distance of campus.

  22. UC not a trade school by drnb · · Score: 1

    The simplest solution is to allow professors to host only students of different majors so that it's very unlikely they will ever be in a class together.

    The UC system is not a trade school, it is a university, you will be taking classes outside of your major so that you acquire a broad and more complete education.

    1. Re:UC not a trade school by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How many gen ed (or whatever you call them, we don't have them) courses are you going to take? Fewer than the number of departments, I'd suspect.

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    2. Re:UC not a trade school by drnb · · Score: 1

      How many gen ed (or whatever you call them, we don't have them) courses are you going to take? Fewer than the number of departments, I'd suspect.

      You can't predict departments. Say general ed requires a four unit biology class, some qualifying classes will come from departments other than biology. For example a geology class that focuses on paleontology. Much of general ed works this way, specifying an area of study not a department.

  23. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

    And yet, areas as far away as Oakland are affected.

    For smart people, these corporations in Silicon Valley (proper) are incredibly short-sighted—either that, or they don't give a shit about the community they are located in.

  24. Foxes/chicken coops by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Can't see any way that this could abused!

  25. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

    Somebody is geography-challenged. If you are crossing over to "Silicon Valley", you wouldn't cross the Bay Bridge.

  26. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

    I congratulate your intelligence in being able to follow this very short thread successfully. Congratulations!

  27. Re:Shameful by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    They take the students' money, and have no accommodations for living.
    Another scam.

    It's even more of a scam than you think. UCSC promised to build more housing decades ago and didn't. That's how we got to where we are now. Literally twenty years ago I had to rent a room in a house because I couldn't afford anything else, and I was working for Cisco at the time. Part of that was that they were sleazy enough to never pay me a real wage; they hired me as an intern to be a lab admin in spite of my not being a student anywhere, and they promised to convert my position to full-time and then never did so I left to work as sysadmin for Gay.com which was both a better job and came with better pay. The other part was that Santa Cruz has had a housing shortage literally since the university opened, because they never built enough housing.

    Now they're trying to build more, but an endangered (or maybe just threatened) frog was found on the originally planned site, so they split the plan to move some of the housing into a Meadow that they originally classified as not for development. There's no legal restriction preventing them, as far as I can tell; I read several articles on the subject and literally none of them claim that there is any such. But some UCSC residents and alumni are trying to NIMBY it out of existence in spite of the fact that it's not their back yard, it's UCSC's front yard. They're all upset that UCSC wants to displace some cows so that they can house students. Problem is, if they put it anywhere else they'd have to cut redwoods, and then you get tree-sitters moving in to prevent that from happening. In fact, a study has indicated that about twice as many people oppose tree-cutting as oppose development of the meadow.

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  28. Re:The whole thing is stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    Silicon Valley is generally described by people in the area as stretching up to San Francisco and down to Santa Cruz. And the housing struggle is pretty much the same all the way down, although it gets better in the Santa Cruz area.

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  29. Santa Cruz is not in Silicon Valley by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    It appears the writer or Slashdot editor has zero clue about what a "valley" is and fails to realize that Santa Cruz is a city located on the coast of California, on the other side of the Santa Cruz Mountains which separate it from the actual geographical valley referred to as Silicon Valley.

    That clarified, 12 years ago I happened to look for affordable housing in the communities surrounding Santa Cruz (the city itself has been trashed by drug addicts and illegal aliens.) Pricing for a room in someone's home back in 2006 was $950 a month, apartment started at $1,250. I can't imagine it has gotten any better now.

    Also, the reason that area is filled with single family homes is due to white flight as people escaped the valley to live in peace from the melting pot of Silicon Valley. NIMBY Democrats are strong in that area and will fight tooth and nail against apartments, especially low-income apartments, being built anywhere near them.

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  30. Re:The whole thing is stupid by novakyu · · Score: 1

    Congratulations on your excellent life-decision-making skill!

  31. Re:People are acting stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    Lived there. We called it by both terms, frequently. Silicon Valley stretched all the way from San Francisco to SantaClara, and was the tech corridor. Nobody EVER said it didn't include San Francisco. Time to get out of the 90s and learn modern reality.

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  32. Re:People are acting stupid by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    I suggest you stop tilting at windmills, people, including the people who live there, haven't considered "Silicon Valley" to be a synonym for "Santa Cruz Valley" for a good 20 years. San Francisco was considered part of the Valley when I was first doing tours there on interviews 20 years ago. You may not like it, but its reality.

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  33. Re:The whole thing is stupid by jtgd · · Score: 1

    I'm glad I posted as AC so there is no record of me proving I'm an idiot.

    FTFY.

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