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Someone With an iMac, iPhone, and iPad Might Soon Need Three Different Headphone Adapters (9to5mac.com)
According to reliable analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple's next iPad Pro will be switching from the Lightning Port to USB-C for the first time. It will also ship with a new 18W USB-C charger. 9to5Mac reports: While Kuo's memo mentions both the new iPad Pro with USB-C (wow) and MacBook with Touch ID, it's still unclear at this point if we'll see the iPad and Mac on stage at Wednesday's event, or if the September 12 date will be dedicated to iPhone and Apple Watch. That would be a massive change for an iOS device but one that could improve the iPad accessory ecosystem -- and be a boon for productivity. Kuo's memo does not suggest that this is simply a change from USB-A Lightning to USB-C Lightning but instead an actual port change on the iPad itself. Daring Fireball's John Gruber notes that if Kuo is correct, "someone with a Mac, iPhone, and iPad would need three different headphone adapters." That takes courage, Apple...
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
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Mac fanboys could care less...it's a feature...
Macbooks still have headphone ports, don't need three adapters. Someone can't count.
If only there were a standard headphone connector that worked everywhere. Some standard that had already been used and refined over time. Something simple. Something that was robust. Something that already had wide spread adoption.
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
Yep, everyone's brain needs more radio transmissions going through it. The closer the better.
Am I the only one that thinks, "Someone with an iMac, iPhone, and iPad..." sounds like the beginning of a bartender joke?
You are welcome on my lawn.
What Macbook requires a headphone adapter?
It's non ionizing radiation and its down in mW. It's less dangerous to you than simply going outside and basking in the 93M mile glow of the largest fusion reactor in our solar system.
They want your phones to only play approved content *(for their copyright monopoly side business) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
With iPhones becoming increasingly water resistant, and AppleWatches becoming decreasingly tethered to an iPhone, bluetooth makes sense.
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
Yep, everyone's brain needs more radio transmissions going through it. The closer the better.
The speakers are mostly receiving, very little transmission.
Well, look on the bright side - we can have the courage to deal with worse audio quality and increased latency for worse audio/video syncing...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Just to justify more expensive crap that is not needed?? WTF? Direct connections have worked for over 80 years, now some tech companies insist we all are 'bettered' with expensive must have peripherals that are inferior, more costly, and last about 6 hours while depleting the sources battery too? Bluetooth has always been a downgrade in listening quality, and also a vector attack. Who wants this, except for 3 letter agencies to gain access to our devices and ignorant young fools who do not realize the implications? Tech was supposed to make our lives better. Instead it's used to invade our privacy. My lifes warranty is about up anyway, I do weep for the future generations. They have no idea what they're giving up in exchange for the 'cool factor'.
How on earth do you figure three adapters?
Who comes up with this stuff? Who would spend more for headphones than they do on their gadgets?
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
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I always love it when a clueless person like you "thinks it's ok" when there is a bad idea under discussion.
Latency, poor audio quality, and another set of batteries to deal with are all solid and compelling reasons to prefer a wired connection.
If you don't care about these things that doesn't mean Apple's new "courageous" shift to crap hardware is ok, it just means you are stupid.
Great post when i was making my site Super Lutein Singapore , I russhed alot for this headphone
One pair of Bluetooth headphones, there, problem solved.
Ken
The reference to iMac it dishonest in my opinion: it is much more power hungry, and you do not support it with a handled device's power supply.
It's a fairly decent idea really. There's a few engineering problems that have been, or are being, overcome dealing with audio streaming over bluetooth. But the reality is wireless is always going to be at least a more convenient than wired if you only compare a wire to not having one. And wireless headphones need built in amps rather than relying on phone amps, which puts more of the sound quality into the headphone itself instead of trying to explain to people that different phones can sound better or worse with the exact same pair of headphones.
Better batteries and much better wireless charging would obviously help make wireless headphones (and earbuds and etc.) just plain better than wired ones as well. But an impetus to actually deliver this sort of thing would help such things get done a lot quicker. I'd absolutely love a wireless USB like standard to come along, not having to plug in my phone, headphones, mouse, or even my laptop (and whatever other futuristic device I have later) ever again would be a dream. If Apple helps just a little bit of that future come faster, well I'm not sure how much I can complain.
Yeah, because if there is anything that "just works" it's Bluetooth.
Corrected headline should read:
"Someone With an iMac, iPhone, iPad AND WIRED HEADPHONES Might Soon Need Three Different Headphone Adapters"
How many people is that anymore?
I have had headphone adaptors since the iPhone 7 that I have only used once, and that was shortly after I got the first phone that dropped the jack - since that time I have not used them at all. I moved on to Bluetooth headphones.
But all of this assumes that the new iPad will use USB-C. I'm mixed on that, on the one hand I would rather like everything to go to one connector, and USB-C seems like a good candidate - I like that it can be plugged in either way, and the connector is pretty small.
On the other hand I still like the lightning connector better. It seems way less flimsy and more solid. I like that I can see the pins to clean.
So who knows which way Apple will go? But either way most modern headphone users will not be impacted.
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You should try a 21st century bluetooth headset one day. Luddite.
Exactly. All three devices are perfectly compatible with Bluetooth headphones. No adapters required.
But if one insists on using wired headphones, one can simply either not update some of their stuff, or they can update all of their stuff.
F-U! That's why!
Wake me when they have decent bluetooth headphones with audio and mic. Everything I see either doesn't do it, is mono audio, is crap, or costs $200+. When I add this onto having to recharge the unit every few hours, a corded $50 solution has been cheaper, simpler, and better every time.
It's a terrible idea for one major reason: lag.
Bluetooth adds a good 200ms lag to any audio being played. (This is due to the encoders it uses. Actual latency time will vary.) Which is a "so what" some of the time but a major showstopper if you're doing anything that involves synchronizing input to audio. The simple example for the /. crowd would be video games. For Apple the major concern should be those "creators" that are supposedly creating video and music on their iDevices. Bluetooth audio lag makes that impossible.
(The reality is that no one uses the Apple ecosystem any more because Apple has made it clear they don't give a shit while Microsoft has come around. One good way to tell this is the decrease in "obvious a MacBook" in TV shows and movies and the corresponding increase in "obviously a Microsoft laptop." It's not just product placement. Apple is alienating their old fans.)
TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
Anyone who thinks this is as good idea doesn't have kids who regularly lose, break, and launder small items.
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another set of batteries to deal with
I agree with almost everything you say, but the chance that these electro-tchotchkes have batteries that a user can replace is almost, but not quite, zero.
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This just makes me think of the Wii U... poor sales aside, I had a lot of fun with the system... but it had -so- many different controllers and peripherals that most of my friends just got annoyed whenever I asked if they wanted to play something with me. They'd stand there and go "uh... which... controller? No, tablet? Do I use?"
When Apple did away with the headphone jack it seemed more like a plea for relevance than a necessary evolution of the device that -needed- to happen. It's like now that the rest of the industry has caught up in terms of innovation/features, Apple (and nintendo) still want to maintain their brand of "different", so now they resort to inconveniencing the end-user with silly doohickeys and unasked for features.
Samsung (and everyone else) doesn't have any issues leaving exposed 3.5mm and charging ports on their water resistant phones, so...
and I never looked back.
Yeah, maybe some audiophile will detest the "quality" of BT headsets. I aint one of those people.
I only carry a wired headset when I fly.
Macs and iPads both have minijack still, no mention I saw of dropping the minijack which exists in addition to lightning on iPads today. What FUD.
As long as people can remember to go to that special store to give them all their money, Apple is probably fine with that.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You want to have to keep another set of batteries charged just to use headphones??
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I think he means the fact that it becomes another thing to charge. Phones, and because they need to be made thin thin, a few battery packs we need to charge almost every night. Just got a new game console and to my dismay, now even game controllers charge via USB. I need a freaking 20 port USB hub as it is. Seeing as my corded headphones work just fine I don't need that extra thing to charge. Not to mention, all these things now all have finite lifetimes limited to the number of times you can charge the battery.
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Maybe some people don't want to spend 80+$ on headphones that cost 20$ for wired version.
Audiophiles.
Who would spend more for headphones than they do on their gadgets?
Many people. Your headphones will long outlast your gadgets and superior audio quality doesn't come cheap. BTW, it's way easier to tell the difference between great and crap audio with headphones than it is with speakers. Partly because room acoustics don't come into it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
If they change the "lightning" port, how do you don't need an adapter - iow, how do you charge with bluetooth?
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and don't need to be separately powered
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
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you really don't know if there's more power emitted by bluetooth than from the headphone cord itself.
the issue is a lot more complex than "does it have a radio"
Everyone makes consumer unfriendly garbage these days. The internet has turned into commercialized garbage too.
Windows sucks infinitely more now than in the Windows 7 days to the point of being unusuable spyware out of the box. Mac software is painful all over (not just the OS) and you'd think the divisions never talked to each other.
Why should this be a shock?
Amazon sells a 50-in-1 cable.
When audiophiles mount speakers, they generally take the room into complete consideration making the experience that much better.
Go look at where Apple puts the headphone sockets in laptops, its at the rear on the right and side.
No go and check which side quality headphones have their cable, yep coming from the left side.
Sod the user, side usability , sod checking the design, lets just slap that socket anywhere because after all the laptop is now thinner.
Lets face it, if Jobs was still there and he had seen that the designer would have been in the market for a new set of nuts because his had been kicked and wrecked, and he would also have been locking for a new job..
Does no one care at Apple anymore ?
No, you're all wrong. This is the greatness you achieve when you have the courage to innovate! Every few months you must throw away the old things and buy new, innovative throw-away things.
thats three different high margin adapters that apple gets to sell you. How is anyone surprised? How else do you get to be a company with such an excessive evaluation if you are not maximizing all possible revenue streams?
I mean by now every "techie" should have enough experience with MBA's to understand their MO.
and YOU get a dongle;
and YOU get a dongle.
Samsung phones are even IP68 which better than IP67 which means the water resistance should be better.
Bluetooth is terribly insecure. For a bit of fun, get a cracker/spoofer/jammer and set it loose on the airplane, and chuckle as everyone using bluetooth is subjected to Rick Astley on repeat.
But they make the coolest adapters!
3.5mm standard headphone jacks allow data and dollars to leak. Much, much better to keep the critters in the cage and keep milking them every time their $20 connector fails.
You should try a 21st century bluetooth headset one day. Luddite.
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You should try having all your little typing fingers smashed with a 3 pound steel hammer.
Insulting people you don't know could win you that prize.
In those cases the water/dust resistance is only when those ports aren't in use.
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I am a licensed amateur radio operator -- extra class. Radiation doesn't have to be ionizing (as in gamma rays and X-rays) to be harmful. Run-of-the-mill EMR (electromagnetic radiation) can cause all kinds of problems.
If you disagree, please hack your microwave so that it operates with the door open and stand six feet away from it while it's running at full power. It's not ionizing radiation, so what can it hurt, right?
Having a small, low-power EMR transmitter continually broadcasting from the same spot on your head is not too smart, as well.
Folks, never trust Apple fan boys when they try to argue technical matters, especially if such matters involve health consequences.
yep it has now become common place for an apple users desktop drawer to be littered with odd white objects of varying shapes and sizes.
not to mention all the various external drives they have their data on also . so many dongles and drives apple has lost their vision and not they just frolic in insanity.
What is this 2004? You can always count on slashdot for shitty boomer opinions.
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You should watch what you type, because if you don't some day you might accidentally say something in meat space that wins you a broken jaw.
"someone with a Mac, iPhone, and iPad would need three different headphone adapters."
That is incorrect. They would need a set of headphones with a normal 3.5 jack (Mac), and two adapters (iPhone, iPad).
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Agreed... I am also a licensed amateur radio operator like my farther was. It is a tradition in our family.
Regarding Apple and their soon to be 3 different headphone adaptors... I can only say this. ... what "courage" they have
How I would laugh if Apple after making all Apple uswrs go wireless. .. decide to make their own bt profiles thus requiring once again. .. new headphones. ... you know... "high quality" ones by dr dre..
Ofc they would also sell new of everything else using bt
Yeah, because Samsung hasn't changed the charging plug at all over the last fifteen years that they use with their phones. And Apple wasn't the first to drop the 3.5 jack, nor were they the last.
It is so simple that hipster cannot fathom it!
Oh wait, it doesn't.
It is amazing how Apple is squandering their design lead that Jobs left them.
Perhaps it is just my opinion, but I think that this obsession with adapters is going to be the end of them.
I don't know how you admit that "courage" was wrong and add the 3.5 mm jack back in, but they need to find a way. Maybe "courage" will work for that design reversion too.
The main problem with Bluetooth is latency. If you're watching a TV show or something, the latency with some Bluetooth hardware is enough to be vomit-inducing, because the audio lags so far behind the video. Until Apple figures out how to get their Bluetooth stack to accurately report latency all the way up the stack to apps, Bluetooth will continue to suck.
Compounding this is the fact that Bluetooth isn't one standard, but rather a pile of competing standards. Android devices typically support aptX from Qualcomm, but Apple doesn't want to pay to license that, so they use their own, incompatible low-latency standard based on AAC (which they were already licensing for iTunes audio playback, and thus probably doesn't cost them anything). Although it is possible for Bluetooth devices to support both formats, there is a licensing cost incurred when you do so, and as a result, a decent percentage of devices support only one format or the other.
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We’ll know tomorrow for sure, but it could be that the ipad port stays in lightning form and that the charger has a USBC connector. Wouldn’t seem unreasonable to me.
...and no one thought to point out that iPads have headphone jacks, making all of this moot? That quote about needing three adapters was based on what would happen if Apple were to remove the headphone jack from the iPad, but that’s not how things are now. But hey, you won’t get an outcry from that, let’s omit the preceding line from the quote so that we can take it out of context and stir up a tempest in a teacup.
What was actually said was:
But if the rumors are true that this year’s iPad Pros don’t have headphone jacks, this doesn’t make much sense at all. This would mean someone with a Mac, iPhone, and iPad would need three different headphone adapters.
Guess tomorrow we'll see how Apple has managed to corrupt the otherwise standard USB connection.
I'll bet you they have managed to place the proprietary Lightning protocol into the USB Type-C Alternate Mode.
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
Bluetooth, while getting better, isn't as good as wired when it comes to sound quality. Plus there is the cost.
I keep asking whether Bluetooth will ever be able to achieve CD audio quality? I keep coming up with "No" as the answer due to the technology limitations. I would love to be able to just set my phone in the car, automatically connect wireless, and get the same quality that I get with a direct connection. But it sounds worse than satellite radio...
So, yeah, multiple wired adapters for different devices....
My car has no Bluetooth, so that's a non-starter.
So, I would need to re-pair my headphones constantly?
Well my Beats headphones started as stereo, but they quickly became mono. Not sure where Dr. Dre's engineering PhD is from, but ouch.
I am a licensed amateur radio operator -- extra class.
Whoa! We've got an expert here!
While I like bluetooth, I don't want that to be my only option. Just like while I like using wireless charging, I'm not ready for my devices to do away with wired plug altogether.
I use bluetooth on a daily basis, but sometimes I would leave it at the charger and forgot to bring it, or went to bed without charging it first, etc. It's trivial to have a few pairs of wired headphone laying about in the living room, bedroom, office, car, etc so if I forget to bring/charge my bluetooth, I can just use those. It's also much easier to buy a wired headphone on the go if I suddenly feel like listening to something, whereas buying a new pair of bluetooth is much more expensive / wasteful. (As in, an extra set of wired headphone that's been laying about for a couple of years can become useful as soon as you pick it up. an unused pair of bluetooth that hadn't been used for months will probably need to be charged for at least 30 mins before it can be used. At which point you probably would have access to your regular pair by then so it's just pointless.)
while I respect fully your opinion, it represents hopeless case of a fanboy screaming "it hurts but I will learn to like it! Deeper! Deeper!". I'm not sure if that's bad thing, tho.
This is true for the big cans that people use in studios or sat at home.
I don't care about audio quality that much when listening on my phone because I listen as I'm walking down the street, with cars, people making noise etc. A higher bit-rate would be lost on me because the ambient conditions are far less than perfect.
I would guess 95%+ of people who listen to music on their device aren't doing so in conditions that would merit expensive headphones...
I really love needing to charge several extra things, like headphones. I also need to charge the phone sooner, because it uses extra power and that is great as well. /sarcasm.
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To be fair, these are Apple users. They don't want to spend $20 for something that if they can spend the extra $60 on something cooler.
On top of worse battery life.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
What is this 2004? You can always count on slashdot for shitty boomer opinions.
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You should watch what you type, because if you don't some day you might accidentally say something in meat space that wins you a broken jaw.
Man, you seem super tough and manly.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
Your headphones won't outlast your gadgets if they come with proprietary audio codecs and connectors. That's probably the idea - deprecate "old" tech to make people upgrade to get the latest Bluetooth codec.
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Bluetooth audio is shit unless you have at least AptX and ideally AptX HD. So there are levels of compatibility.
Bluetooth is also a pain in the arse if you need to switch devices much. Unpair, re-pair every time. You can toggle Bluetooth on and off instead, but only if you have no other Bluetooth devices.
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One has to know a thing or two about radiation to get an extra class license.
Having a small, low-power EMR transmitter continually broadcasting from the same spot on your head is not too smart, as well.
[citation needed]
Seriously, I want to see the data, and I'm not talking about a link to an article in some glorified blog making unproven claims, I want scientific papers demonstrating that Bluetooth transmitters pose a significant danger to your health.
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
Yep, everyone's brain needs more radio transmissions going through it. The closer the better.
Radio transmissions are electric and magnetic fields, your headphones work on the basis of magnetic fields, if you don't want magnetic fields affecting your brain while listening to music restrict your music consumption to open air concerts where they don't use speaker systems because .... magnetic and electric fields.
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Being as my corded headphones work just fine I don't need that extra thing to charge. Not to mention, all these things now all have finite lifetimes limited to the number of times you can charge the battery.
So do corded headphones. Their lifespan is limited to the number of times the cord gets bent at the headphone jack before the wire succumbs to metal fatigue. Mine used to last about 6 months.
> If you disagree, please hack your microwave so that it operates with the door open and stand six feet away from it while it's running at full power. It's not ionizing radiation, so what can it hurt, right?
You must have missed the other part of the post you're responding to:
>> It's non ionizing radiation and its down in mW. (emphasis mine)
It won't cause damage by ionisation, and it won't cause damage by excessive heating. The only way a bluetooth radio will cause you any harm is when pointed at you and accelerated to sufficient velocity. Oh, don't get me wrong, I find Apple's decision to remove a time-tested and universal connector utterly fucking idiotic and I'd never use any of their stuff, but you're barking up the wrong tree here.
I don't listen on the street because I dislike the loss of situational awareness. Personally I work in a relatively quiet office where listening to music while you work is allowed, and good headphones make a big difference.
unless you have AptX or AptX HD
Whereupon it improves to a little bit shit
Bluetooth audio is shit unless you have at least AptX and ideally AptX HD. So there are levels of compatibility.
Bluetooth is also a pain in the arse if you need to switch devices much. Unpair, re-pair every time. You can toggle Bluetooth on and off instead, but only if you have no other Bluetooth devices.
The Bluetooth unit in my iPhone can handle being connected to two devices at once. I usually just leave my bluetooth earbuds connected when I get into my car, the car's bluetooth unit connects just fine and the phone switches to the new output automatically. The only caveat here is getting earbuds with at least 8 hour battery life. As for audio quality I always get a chuckle out of people that complain about Bluetooth audio quality being shit, then pull out a set of $10 chorded earbuds and go about their business while enjoying the near live concert quality audio you get from a pair of cheap ass Sony earbuds. To get any kind of worthwhile audio experience you need to be wearing either quite high end earbuds or ear enclosing headphones that are designed to exclude external sound interference and cost very significantly more than $10.
...and go with Bluetooth instead. TBH I'm not sure that's a bad idea.
It is, but go ahead and pay more for an inferior product. That's what apple really wants.
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Yes. Designated listening position(s)*, dampening materials on the correct locations to create a close to perfect acoustic room. The door naturally have to be closed, moving around verboten as would be moving, talking or burping. Combine with very expensive speakers expertly directed to the listening position and preferably a dedicated concrete room for the sub-woofer one can get good results. And don't forget the cables! Of course real golden ears use only virgin silver, ultra-pure and cryotreated with extra effort spent to find the optimal direction of the cable (metals are directional as all _real_ audiophiles know).
Or one could get a pair of good headphones that remove the complications of positioning, dampening, movement or even how to place cables. Heck one can even afford to spend some extra money on silver cables or magical stickers if one is so inclined.
(* multiple positions would make it obviously sub-optimal but a few so called "audiophiles" would allow such things)
So new Bluetoothâ(TM) headsets are magical? That's not my experience, they are still generally crap for general purpose audio. They work to some degree* sucking battery power and increasing latency to provide sub-optimal audio quality.
(* still not well. High-end Bluetooth headphone couldn't connect to multiple devices each supporting required or better specifications (audio codecs that were of course proprietary, base Bluetooth version, OS supporting Bluetooth and Bluetooth audio as verified with mono headset). It worked for the owner on the owners own device so that's good I guess)
Audiophiles.
Yeah but they aren't buying bluetooth.
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> The main problem with Bluetooth is latency. If you're watching a TV
Are you using your smartphone for TV?
Not that I approve Apple's courage but your argument, you know...
I don't care what Apple is doing, I do care about all those stupid vendor which copy Apple by taking the worst aspect!
Who comes up with this stuff? Who would spend more for headphones than they do on their gadgets?
Since when is a headphone anything other than a special purpose gadget? Also with phones topping the $1000 mark you can pretty much buy the second from the top model of headphones from any manufacturer now without incurring the wrath of your arbitrary anger.
I don't care about audio quality that much when listening on my phone because I listen as I'm walking down the street, with cars, people making noise etc.
Noise cancelling. Closed ear systems. Sound blocking plugs with drivers built-in.
There are many solutions to your problem often even with expensive headphones.
The connectors is not a problem. They can be soldered, and electronics replaced. Headphones last as long as the speakers are good.
Here you go:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15475713?dopt=Abstract&holding=npg
This is just one study (there have been more both before and after this one). By the way, cell wavelength and bluetooth wavelengths are similar.
Pretty sure it came from Van Gogh University.
Folks, never trust Apple fan boys when they try to argue technical matters, especially if such matters involve health consequences.
You were doing great, right up until here. Why the typical "Apple fan boy" bash? It adds absolutely nothing to your point, furthermore, it's not even clear if the OP even is an Apple fan boy.
To your point about microwaves; I'd expect a 1,200W bluetooth headset to cause all sorts of damage, ionizing or not.
Apple has no centered vision between products anymore. Used to be all Apple products had a sense of being one with every other Apple product. Their old motto "Simple" comes to mind. Sadly Jobs was the only visionary who actually gave a crap about simple and now its just a waste land of gimmicks and jumps from one form factor to another to sell accessories and new products.
Apple wants you to ditch either headphones or iphones.
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but it's a funny joke.
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If you've bought a $1000 phone how come you have enough money for high end headphones?
It's not just the upper middle class that buys these things. It used to be the cost of a low end desktop, or a low end laptop.
One might get an iPhone on min wage if they so wish. Forego paying for fixed comms (no dsl, cable, fiber, landline), get on bicycle or use the phone to navigate the maze of bus and train lines.
The iPhone 6.1" and the original iPhone X when it becomes last year's model will surely bought much by working class or lower middle class.
Before you write this off as silly I want to remember you that some of the lowest end jobs like delivery now may require an app from the duopoly app stores. I think I'd take the iPhone.. Being forced to create a google account and use unsupported phones is humiliating.
If you want some really good headphones that won't cost an arm and a leg try some Samson SR950s studio monitor headphones. About 34 Uk pounds and they beat the pants of almost everything under about 300 UK pounds. Once people have tried them they usually go and buy their own.
I run a pro studio and have several pairs. I also have a decent collection of more expensive headphones I've collected over the years. The very, very, high end ones are slightly more detailed than the SR950s but not by much. And some of these headphones cost over 500 Uk pounds. So you can buy better but they're stunning value for money.
Just don't touch any of the beats crap which provide nothing but overhyped, unrealistic, bass response.
As for (cr)apple just don't buy their stuff period. If it doesn't have an industry standard headphone jack "forgeddaboutit".
It would be perfectly cromulent to watch TV on your TV, using your Bluetooth headphones.
They all come with smartphone-like hardware, or you might have external smartphone-like hardware (Roku, Apple TV, Android box)
There are probably a few people using Bluetooth audio on their TV and they're unaware that they're not supposed to do that or that a TV isn't supposed to support it.
this is all speculation by a guy who's job is to get people to click links
Why not include lightning and USB-c on this device and only include a USB-c charger?
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Screw you, Apple.
The regular analog headphone jack is an asset and if you want to externalize your battery problems to a bluetooth speaker, you should seriously stop right there. I won't be warning you again, but your hardware is shit.
Daring Fireball's John Gruber notes that if Kuo is correct, "someone with a Mac, iPhone, and iPad would need three different headphone adapters." That takes courage, Apple...
No. Just someone who buys a NEW Mac, iPhone AND iPad. I have all three of those, and I have ONE kind of headphone that I use with each, without an adapter, and that's a 1/8" 3 or 4-conductor minijack plug. My Mac has one, my iPad has one, and my iPhone, goshdarnit, has one. How'd I manage that? Simple. I categorically REFUSE to buy a phone without a headphone jack. I will go back and use a goddamned DUMB phone before I pay Apple for a defective-by-design piece of SHIT like the iPhone 7 or beyond, or whichever bullshit iPhones are missing their headphone jacks. I actually still have my old MP3 player, and I may just pull that out and dust it off, and use THAT... if I have to.
If Apple ever DOES produce a car, I wonder if they'll pull the same shit. You know, sell a car that interoperates with the iPhone, and is really cool but underpowered and overpriced and get a bunch of people to buy them, then "update" the thing with a new version that doesn't come with a fucking steering wheel, because they just bought a company that makes Bluetooth steering wheels, and they want to force you to pay extra just to get the same level of functionality you already had before, and offer you an "adapter" that would have to sit in your lap allowing you to use a wired steering wheel...
It's the kind of shit they'd do, honestly.
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Good! It's what all non apple fanbois have been saying for ever! Apple is finally embracing standardisation and this is all you have to say about it?? No one gives a fuck about having them having new dongles, especially the apple people as their shiny new POS will undoubtedly get upgraded before long for some reason or another and have the new "standard" connector anyway! This is apple finally moving in the right direction and the article just bitches about "Oh no! More dongles" - Don't like it? Don't buy Apple! FYI I hate all things apple bit this is a good move on their part. Finally! Still bring back the headphone jack though!
Remember kids: What's right isn't as important as what's profitable.
I gotta tell ya, someone hacking into my Bluetooth connection is about as worrisome to me me as catching my dick in Christy Brinkley's pants zipper.
Bluetooth audio is shit .......
if I am so much of an audiophile that I can pretend that the sound quality difference between Bluetooth and a wired connection is going to significantly affect my listening enjoyment, then SURELY I'm spending a metric shitload on a good headset. If I've got THAT kind of cash, I can easily upgrade all my other hardware to ensure they all have the same connection, buy a shitload of dongles so that I don't have to give a fuck about dongles, or simply NOT upgrade my other hardware to the extent that I have a bunch of different kinds of connections. Besides...if I'm that much of an audio nerd, I'll be listening to some vacuum tube based record player from the 60s anyway.
Bluetooth is also a pain in the arse if you need to switch devices much. Unpair, re-pair every time. You can toggle Bluetooth on and off instead, but only if you have no other Bluetooth devices.
That's certainly not true. On a daily basis, I use my phone to connect to my Schuberth motorcycle helmet headset, a pair of Sennheiser headphones at my desk, and a UE Megaboom. The devices were all paired a long time ago. I can switch between these connections on my phone, at will, with no issues.
That's certainly not true. On a daily basis, I use my phone to connect to my Schuberth motorcycle helmet headset, a pair of Sennheiser headphones at my desk, and a UE Megaboom. The devices were all paired a long time ago. I can switch between these connections on my phone, at will, with no issues.
Oh yeah - and also throw into that mix the cheap-ass Bluetooth receiver that plugs into the aux port in my Jeep. The phone connects to that without re-pairing just fine too.
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If don't mind paying a premium just to have the privilege to hear re-encoded audio, yeah it is a good idea.
Maybe in the future audio will be transmitted losslessly and decoded directly on the headphone, then we would have margin for higher audio quality than corded headphones.
This has been Apple's goal from the very start:
What is the problem? We would like to sell more and expensive audio accessories to people, even though they actually do not need this. Also we would like to do this as exclusively as possible, without bothersome competition What is the cause? People already own a lot of existing audio hardware that works just fine. And there is a lot of competition with a low barrier to entry. What is the solution? Remove the option to use the 3.5mm jack (and justify by blaming physical size) and thus force people to just discard all their existing, fully functional audio hardware and buy new (from us).When you are sure of something, you probably are wrong (search for "Unskilled and Unaware of It").
Basic Bluetooth audio is bad even for non audiophiles. You really need AptX or you will notice.
About pairing, I meant pairing the device to multiple phones/tablets/computers. Instead of just switching the cable over you have to muck about with Bluetooth pairing.
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Whoa! Another apple shill who has no problem spreading lies and misinformation all in the glorious name of apple.
What if you want to pair your headphones to your phone, tablet, laptop and work PC? How are you going to switch which one they are paired to?
Keep in mind that if you switch off Bluetooth then your keyboard and mouse stop working too. Your phone won't pair to your car automatically any more and you will forget to switch back on when you get in.
You will have to unpair and repair every time. Some devices have NFC to make it less painful, but not Apple ones.
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To your point about microwaves; I'd expect a 1,200W bluetooth headset to cause all sorts of damage, ionizing or not.
Yeah, great comparison, because power over distance doesn't matter at all.
and stupid re-charge garbage every few hours, switched Sailfish OS and not looking back at corporate greed, fuck you apple!
Then stop buying headphones that aren't made properly.
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It's less dangerous to you than simply going outside and basking in the 93M mile glow of the largest fusion reactor in our solar system.
I don't know where you think you are, but I don't believe that /.'s demographics are the type to go out sunbathing.
Daddy... what does "inversely proportional to cube of distance" mean...?
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Don't forget the glued in battery. LiPo gets about 500 cycles, so 1.5 years of daily use.
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There isn't a need to unpair just to switch sources for a Bluetooth speaker. **If you have a speaker connected to a dozen different sources then it becomes a real pain. I don't have any good solution for you in that case.**
First disconnect from whichever source device is currently connected to it.
on iPhone/iPad: Settings...Bluetooth... click the "i"... Disconnect.
on OSX: Click Bluetooth icon, click connected device... Disconnect.
Then connect whichever source you want to connect to the speaker.
Yes it's mildly inconvenient but not overwhelmingly so.
Getting a brain tumor is trivial?
headphone jack type headphones can also be shit if you buy the dollar store ones. Its all about buying a quality device.
Yes... and at the risk of others' health!
Basic Bluetooth audio is bad even for non audiophiles. You really need AptX or you will notice.
So get AptX. What's the problem?
About pairing, I meant pairing the device to multiple phones/tablets/computers. Instead of just switching the cable over you have to muck about with Bluetooth pairing.
I see. Well, depends on the device I guess. Some of the devices I have easily pair with at least two devices. But even so....then use a dongle. I just don't see what the big deal about it is. Then again, I don't remember the last time I used wired headphones either.
You were doing great, right up until here. Why the typical "Apple fan boy" bash? It adds absolutely nothing to your point,
Of course it does. Apple fan boys are unreasonable and will distort reality -- even to the detriment of the health of others. Mentioning that fact will hopefully save someone from a health problem (and possibly keep folks from falling for any future Apple fan boy falsehoods) .
To your point about microwaves; I'd expect a 1,200W bluetooth headset to cause all sorts of damage, ionizing or not.
I'd expect a detrimental health effect from a 2 mW bluetooth headset that sits directly against someone's head at the same spot for five years.
inverse square, not inverse cubic.
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No loss on the ignorant.
You don't need kids to ruin small items. I'm a big boy and can ruin my own items myself, thank you very much.
Please cite credible research that Bluetooth causes tumors.
God forbid someone within 10 feet of me finds out I listed to Lady Gaga on the train.
I dunno. When I facetime with people wearing my bluetooth headphones, the audio is synced just fine on both ends.
I'm not sure many people are on the train doing multi-track mastering on their iPhones...
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/reproductive-medicine/cell-phone-use-could-damage-semen/article/157370/
You should definitely keep using it.
Christ, I love me some audiophile idiocy.
$3 MP3 on $500 iCrap over $300 headphone "I can hear the poor quality so well"
$15 Super-High-fidelity File on $500 iCrap over $300 headphones "It's so much better, but not as good as analog"
$15 Super-High-fidelity File on $500 iCrap with some $200 dumb-ass tube-driven POS over $300 headphones "Nearly perfect. Pity about the digital part"
$60 20-year-old plastic record on a $250 uncalibrated turntable with a $50 diamond tip and some $400 glowy tubes attached over $300 headphones "That's it! Perfect audio!"
$20 to sit in the same room as the musicians? Naw. That's just stupid.
Putting a radio transmitter next to your reproductive organs does not appear to be a wise decision. Evolution applies a heavy price on males with reduced semen quality. Even slight differences in performance are important.
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You all have kittens over the loss of the port on a device you probably never have or would own.
I have been without the 3.5 jack for years now, it seriously has not inconvenienced me. I never even used the adaptor, got decent Bluetooth headphones for wireless and use the included wired ones on the rare occasion I did not want the noise cancelling.
Move on with life, worry about actually important things.
Although the Macbook Pro has 4x thunderbolt3 (USB-C) ports and a 35mm headphone port, its USB-C ports are fully capable of sound/video too.
So when the iPad Pro comes with a USB-C headphone, that headphone will work with the macbook pro. Leaving only the iPhone incompatible. I sent a msg to Mr. Cook to address my growing worries about the headphone incompatibilities but he never replied.
Regardless, this doesn't affect me. I use a Bose QC35 which works flawlessly with macbookpro, ipad, iphone. The only minor problem with this headphone is that although it can pair more than 2 devices, it only tries to connect to the last 2 connected device upon power up. In order to connect to other paired devices, you'd have to keep one of the latest 2 out of range, powered down, or out of communication in some way.
It doesn't go through your head. The wireless transceiver is on the side which communicates with other devices outwards. Internally it wires received sound to both speakers without actually sending any wireless signals "through" your head.
I consider myself an apple fan boy... but I must say you're way off from describing us. You accuse us of falsehoods and ignorance against human health. What the phuck does that even mean? We make technical arguments because we know what we're talking about. That doesn't make us disrespectful or ignorant to anyone else. You on the other hand, go and accuse strangers of shit that don't even make sense. Do you even know what you're talking about?
I consider myself an apple fan boy... We make technical arguments because we know what we're talking about... Do you even know what you're talking about?
To get an extra class amateur radio license, one must learn about various potential health effects of electromagnetic radiation of differing wavelengths.
Please enlighten us on the rigorous study of EMR effects on biology that is required to be an Apple fan boy.
> Someone With an iMac, iPhone, and iPad Might Soon Need Three Different Headphone Adapters
That someone might soon start looking at other device makers. If s/he's got more than half a brain.
Me too. Microwave ovens work by vibrating water molecules (or even better the bonds in oil and fat) ... so while they’ll cook you, they won’t give you cancer. But you need to be a bit farther away, like 20 feet from a 1500 watt microwave (1000 Watts radiated) to drop below the FCC danger recommendations with lots of assumptions made for beam width etc. for a 30 minute exposure. Around 220 MHz the human body is resonant and a great antenna. So more efficient absorption than microwaves. But we are talking 1000 Watts for a microwave experiment, and it harms by heating you/cooking you. Cell phones output .6 Watts (though up to 3 for older ones was possible) typical in a city might be 100 milliwatts. Bluetooth varies between 1 milliwatt and 100 milliwatts. Headphones fall toward the lower power side as they need small batteries to last longer... So it wouldn’t damage you much using a cellphone or Bluetooth near your head. Just warm you up minuscule fractions of a degree.
... Bluetooth all the way. No financial stake but Earstudio and others like it can relocate the RF people object to.
And I avoid both issues (dongles, and power at the head) by using a headphone Bluetooth adapter. Mine provides both an unbalanced 3.5 mm Jack and a 2.5 mm balanced jack for higher fidelity. It clips to a sleeve or button front, or jeans pocket. So
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I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Better corded headphones realize this and the cords are replaceable.
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Who comes up with this stuff? Who would spend more for headphones than they do on their gadgets?
Someone who realizes that headphones, if treated well, will last forever, whereas the "gadgets" the headphones get their signal from will be somewhere between obsolete and non-functional within three years of purchase.
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I’ll stick to my etymotics and Earstudio thanks. Wireless high fidelity. And it works on iPhone, iPad, Amazon Fire Phone (great hardware they abandoned after a year, but awesome at the time for Android contracts) Fire Tablet, Motorola Droid, Mac Desktop, and Mac desktop, and a large number of mixed vintage machines through a KVM with Bluetooth transmitter adapter. No misc. cords or dongles to get lost, save the one for the KVM and the Earstudio with my headphones. Headset jack? We don’t need no stink’n headset jack...
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Sorry, but even AptX is a compromise if using half decent headphones AND HD music. LDAC is a step in the right direction, but it is also a compromise.
Bluetooth isn't a good match for anything audiophile. It never was.
Apple can use USB-C on the iPad without switching the connector. Just means a different cable would come it. 100% backwards compatible but can charge much faster on USB-C.
no,wrong. to what to you attribute "more pollution" when the wired have less toxic components and lifetime of decades?
The wire coating itself is plastic and there is quite a lot of it over the length of the wire - look how small Bluetooth headsets are, that is how much electronics are in ANY bluetooth headset, a minuscule amount of material. The plug casing and soldier on connections are also worse than wireless headsets.
Also of course, the wires in the landfill could strangle birds, just as soda can holders can.
wireless headphones have low fidelity too
Not anymore, if you care about fidelity you can get bluetooth headsets that support greater audio fidelity, with the added bonus that the transport is all digital until it gets sent to speakers - unlike low-wi wired headsets where you get whatever gets sent over the relatively cheap analog converter in your device. With bluetooth headsets you can choose to pay more for a better DAC. Quality is actually what led me to switch to wireless from wired headsets. If you care at all about quality these days you would go wireless.
so, pollution, battery life and low fidelity sound are what wireless represent.
All of those are worse for wired headsets, with of course the addition that they strangle birds.
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one set of bluetooth headphones you use for every device..what's wrong with that? doh.
nothing to see here - move along
It's not ionizing radiation nor "warming" that is pertinent to possible detrimental effects of bluetooth/cell freequencies. It is mostly the "resonance" that you mention.
At the 220MHz you mention, the wavelength is about 1.5 meters, so it makes sense that the human body is "resonant" around that frequency. However, resonating an entire body is not as harmful as resonating smaller, critical parts of the body. Structures in the brain and within certain organs are more susceptible to detrimental resonance effects if shorter wavelengths (such as cell phone and bluetooth).
Not much is known about the precise distances and power levels that can cause problems, but it generally accepted that having a transmitter attached to one's head continually for extended period can be detrimental, even with low power and especially with shorter wavelengths that might resonate smaller structures within the brain/organs.
People, please do not use a bluetooth nor cell phone for extended, continual periods in the same spot against your head.
Fellow HAM here (General license). As we both know, radio burn is a potential hazard with any frequency. We also both know that some frequencies (such as VHF frequencies) are more hazardous than others. So, the question isn't whether radio burn with Bluetooth (2.45 GHz) is a possibility - of course it is - but what exposure levels are safe. There's been precious little research on this topic, but the prevailing consensus seems to be that using a Bluetooth headset presents less of a cancer hazard than holding a cell phone against one's head. (See for example the American Cancer Society's guidance on cell phones). 73.
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Sure everyone was upset by the loss of the 3.5mm jack, but the worst part was actually sticking with the lightning connector for so long. I disagree with the author: With the new iPad, Apple is actually conversing on a real, industry-wide standard. iPhones and all Apple computers already have it... the iPad is the hold-out. One adapter to go from 3.5mm -> USB-C.
So instead of whining like a little bitch just to get eyeballs on your site, how about you point-out that the industry is evolving in a GOOD direction with everyone, even GASP! Apple, standardizing on the same thing.
Is your microwave 1000W or 10mW? Is your Bluetooth in mW or 1000W? Is the Bluetooth heating up the water in your brain?
What do the fucking SARS calculations say for Bluetooth transceiver next to your head? What are they for the microwave?
Fuck off.
I'd agree with you if the bluetooth radio on Iphone worked consistently well. A close friends Iphone x often doesn't connect to bluetooth devices. Even her IWatch doesn't connect frequently. I've had similar issues with my own Iphone 6s.
Cell phones and "could"? I think you have a reading problem.
You might need to learn about antennas. They are not perfect and all have backspray
Not mentioning other issues (one more item to charge, quality etc...).
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Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Deprecate? You got the terminology totally wrong. It is "...to facilitate planned obsolescence" !
No, he wants to keep another set of batteries hoping they'll explode, so he would be able to sue Apple. With a couple dozens of millions in his pocket, he won't need to work ever again.
Anything but live music is a compromise.......and even THAT is a compromise on a number of issues (such as having to listen to an audience along with the music).
Not sure what your point is, but the low power of bluetooth/cell transmissions was addressed in the post to which you responded and in most of the subsequent posts in the thread.
It's not a good idea to use a low power transmitter continually for extended periods at the same spot on your head. If you disagree, by all means, please do so, but as a licensed amateur radio operator, I will be using wired headset/receiver.
People who are locked in with Apple can afford it. Make every gadget different and you can prize more money out of them. Even more if you can make adaptors for each type to work with the other devices.
Apple are on the brink of financial ruin after all. This could get them out of that massive hole...
I am actually actually a licensed RF broadcaster, WQUB386. The fact that you think a Bluetooth transmitter is in the same class with a microwave shows how little you know about RF. Go put a tinfoil hat on you troll.
only method is Bluetooth, all right, let's buy 4th headphone - airpods