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Cody Wilson, 3D-Printed Gun Pioneer, Arrested In Taiwan (reason.com)
Cody Wilson, maker of the first 3D-printed plastic gun, has been arrested in Taiwan. Long-time Slashdot reader SonicSpike quotes Reason:
Earlier this week, Texas police issued a warrant for his arrest. Wilson, they claimed, found a woman on sugardaddymeet.com, a website that requires all users to assert they are 18 or over, then met her and paid for sex with her. Police say the woman was actually 16, which made that act a violation of Texas penal code 22.011 (A)(2)(a), regarding sex with a minor, which is legally considered sexual assault regardless of consent or payment.
While Taiwan has no formal extradition treaty with the U.S., and Wilson was not said to have been doing anything directly criminal in Taiwan, the press there reports that he was arrested without incident because the U.S. had revoked his passport, making his mere presence in Taiwan illegal. (The U.S. government has the power to revoke the passports of people facing felony arrest warrants.) Wilson was then, according to The New York Times, "delivered...to the National Immigration Agency" in Taiwan. It is expected to deport him to the U.S. to face those charges, which carry a potential 2 to 20 years in prison and $10,000 fine.
A reporter for Ars Technica visited Wilson's home weapons printing company, and was told that "A management restructuring is coming." But they also contacted Adam Bhala Lough, who directed and wrote a documentary film about Wilson. Prior to Wilson's arrest, Lough argued that "Without Cody, it can't last. It's like Tesla and Elon Musk, you can't separate the two.
"If he comes home and faces the music, there is a chance Defense Distributed will survive because it is a totally independent company without a board or any regulatory body. And the buyers of these products -- not to generalize, but at least the ones I met while doing the documentary -- they won't care about buying a product from an [accused] pedophile. In fact they may be even more emboldened by the idea that Cody was 'set-up' or that it is a 'deep-state conspiracy' against him, even if (or when) he admits to it."
While Taiwan has no formal extradition treaty with the U.S., and Wilson was not said to have been doing anything directly criminal in Taiwan, the press there reports that he was arrested without incident because the U.S. had revoked his passport, making his mere presence in Taiwan illegal. (The U.S. government has the power to revoke the passports of people facing felony arrest warrants.) Wilson was then, according to The New York Times, "delivered...to the National Immigration Agency" in Taiwan. It is expected to deport him to the U.S. to face those charges, which carry a potential 2 to 20 years in prison and $10,000 fine.
A reporter for Ars Technica visited Wilson's home weapons printing company, and was told that "A management restructuring is coming." But they also contacted Adam Bhala Lough, who directed and wrote a documentary film about Wilson. Prior to Wilson's arrest, Lough argued that "Without Cody, it can't last. It's like Tesla and Elon Musk, you can't separate the two.
"If he comes home and faces the music, there is a chance Defense Distributed will survive because it is a totally independent company without a board or any regulatory body. And the buyers of these products -- not to generalize, but at least the ones I met while doing the documentary -- they won't care about buying a product from an [accused] pedophile. In fact they may be even more emboldened by the idea that Cody was 'set-up' or that it is a 'deep-state conspiracy' against him, even if (or when) he admits to it."
This absolutely doesn't smell right. And governments have been known for "setting examples" and taking out vendettas against those who would challenge them.
Libertas in infinitum
Yes, I believe the government in this case. This guy's a real prick, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit that he's a child fucker.
I don't respond to AC's.
Any time a person in the government's crosshairs gets arrested on a sex crime or pedophilia charge, be VERY wary of believing it.
Anyone remember what happened to the IMF Director who was stupid enough to challenge the supremacy of the U.S. dollar?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
On the website that was named, there's a pulldown menu to select your age. It doesn't go below 18.
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While the person the interviewed for this article is right in saying that Cody Wilson is the 'face' of his group, he was far from the driving force behind it. In fact Defense Distributed wasn't really even the driving force behind his recent judicial win against the DOJ. He had major backing from multiple pro second amendment groups, most notifiable the Second Amendment Foundation. Which is the same advocacy group that provided a lot of the legal aid legal muscle behind both the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS decisions. While the SAF certainly isn't going to front the bill for Cody's legal defense over this case, they're not likely to complete abandon the fight against the 21 totalitarian AGs that are trying to use a really shitty 10th amendment argument to shut down the distribution of those 3D printable firearms designs.
Looking at this case Cody Wilson himself is probably screwed, but his arguments for the first and second amendment aren't simple going to disappear with him.
First off as a veteran of the Vietnam conflict I do not believe you understand what communism is.
Second, Cody Wilson is not the father of 3D do it yourself gun projects.
Third what the hell is with you crazy people blaming a child???? I am now 74. Someone of the age of 16 is not fully developed.
it is absolutely disgusting that anyone who considers them self a conservative nor libertarian would result into such hideous victim-blaming of a child.
16 years old is certainly a child.
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will also be charged with aiding and abetting felony sexual assault/exploitation of a minor by lying about her age? If she was selling herself for illicit, underage sex, she hardly an innocent victim here.
Holding someone responsible for an inadvertent crime while also not holding their partner responsible for an advertant crime reeks.
Slow your roll son, you don't have to make yourself look like a screeching idiot every day.
Not really known to be totalitarian anti gun anti second amendment state.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
... plastic zip guns that are as dangerous to the wielder as anybody else. If this guy had a machine shop cranking out ARs, that would raise an eyebrow.
But if it's fun to think that, carry on.
CAPSLOCK is cruise control for COOL, amirite?
I have a 3D printer. No way, no how is that the easiest way to produce a home made gun. Do people honestly think current 3D printer technology is like a Star Trek replicator?
I'd be much better of using my drill press, saw, dremel, files, etc. if I really wanted to make a gun.
Really well made guns are way cheaper and easier than a homebrew, and unfortunately getting them illegally is all too easy here in Chicago from what I can tell.
What am I missing in this debate about 3D printed guns?
Greed is the root of all evil.
No, someone IN THE STATE OF TEXAS of the age of 16 is not fully developed. FIFY.
In the United States, every state has it's own age of consent, with the most common being age 16. Yes, that's right, 16. Unfortunately for Cody, his love making was done in the state of Texas, where the legal age of consent is 18. If he had simply been living up north by one state, he might not be in such hot water.
Well I was referring to the 21 AGs that are trying to shut down his group with a new lawsuit specially. But that said the city of Austen has a reputation for being pretty 'blue', which is where this supposedly happened. So if you wanted to delve into conspiracy theory you could look it at that way.
Yeah post the same slanderous non-argument again. That'll convince people.
Well to me I don't think this really has much to do with DD themselves, but reversing the Obama Administrations attempt to use ITAR to block the sharing of information on personal arms fabrication. When you really look at it objectively most of the design Wilson releases weren't really worth much. But the legal precedence he helped establish could very well be used by others to produce more serviceable weapons. Perhaps something like what you could see in those old 'Paladin Press' books that have been floating around for yeas. Or perhaps something like some of the guns that Royal Nonesuc, over on YouTube, was making.
Paying for sex with a woman who convincingly passes as an adult does not make a person a pedophile. A criminal, yes, but saying he is into prepubescent children because he bought sex from a person who could easily pass as a fully grown adult is just fraudulently incorrect.
a) How did Texas police KNOW that he went on any specific website (spying on his Internet traffic?)
b) How did Texas police KNOW that he asked for a 16yo girl (spying on his computer?)
c) How did Texas police KNOW that he visited anyone in Taiwan AND performed a potentially illegal act (spying on his person)
d) How did Texas police revoke a FEDERAL passport
e) How does Taiwan get to extradite him to the US if he currently has no formal documents that support his nationality
This smells on all sides. If I were Taiwan/China I'd ask some serious questions: why is US local and/or federal law enforcement conducting surveillance against anyone in our country?
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> Someone of the age of 16 is not fully developed.
Devils advocate: /sarcasm As opposed to someone who is 18 years old?
Who determines what this "magic age" is? Because it certainly varies from female to female.
Define "fully developed". Do you mean biologically? Mentally? Emotionally? Because female teenagers mature faster then male teenagers.
In my limited experience I've known some teeagers who wise WELL beyond their years (behaved like a 40 year old), and known 30 year olds who behaved like dumb teenagers.
History and numerous civilizations has shown that "if she is old enough to bleed then she is old enough to breed" -- and while we can criticize this past mentality I'm not so sure there is an EXACT "magic" age that determines when a girl becomes a young woman and is fully cognant of the consequences of her choices. Hell, some *adults* aren't even!
This mentality of equating "16 years old female teenager is a child" depends LARGELY on social norms and subjective judgements. There is no "absolute" test you can do to determine if a female is a woman; it is a gradient.
That said, probably the *best* way to determine is to ask the father or mother: At what age of your daughter would you feel comfortable knowing she is having sex?
I'm willing to bet most would say late 20s.
Found the ad hominem fallacy.
But I guess it is easier to ignore the fact that the age of consent varies from state to state, country to country and try to trivialize the issue with a flippant sound bite then have a rational discussion if it is too low or too high.
It happened in Texas. He left for Taiwan on a previously scheduled business trip after the encounter before the cops could arrest him. It seems to be unknown if he was aware the cops were after him when he got on the plane.
However, he missed his scheduled return flight, which seems mighty similar to avoiding prosecution.
The US Dept of State reserves the right to revoke AmCit passports for fugitives. They did so in this case, which dodges the entire extradition issue. Taiwan simply arrests him for illegal presence in the country and deports him.
because a) their reasoning abilities aren't fully developed
Look around you. How many people do you actually believe have fully developed reasoning abilities?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The (alleged) sex happened in Texas. He was traveling on business (after the (alleged) sex) when the State Dept revoked his passport. Taiwan is simply deporting a foreign national with revoked documentation.
SLOW your ROLL moron.
Cody Wilson belatedly realises he would have been better off spending his time making a 3D printed woman.
I don't see the historic acceptability of marrying off young women as being exculpatory. For the vast majority of human history, the strong took what they wanted. That worked great for the strong, so it persisted, but I wouldn't claim that robbery should be tolerated because it was once the modus vivendi.
The guy is alleged to have solicited a 16-year old for sex. She wasn't legally old enough to consent to the sex or the contracted exchange. So no magic number is required.
They aren't the same. The fact that you don't know that means either
1) You're stupid.
2) You've fallen for China's argument that Taiwan is part of China, which means go back to #1.
Taiwan can do whatever it wants with a foreign citizen. The fact that the US invalidated his passport means he shouldn't, in theory, be able to travel away from Taiwan, and indeed he didn't. It's not like you are implying, which apparently you think means "Wilson now isn't a citizen of any country so nobody can send him anywhere he doesn't want to go.' How on earth did you get 5 points for this? Rather than post I would just mod you down but Slashdot really stuck it to me the one time I did that and wouldn't give me mod points for a very long time, so I'd rather just post and say your post sucks and what you said is stupid.
I think he means the suspicious part is that she was underaged. There is a vast difference between solicitation and statutory rape. A solicitation charge will generally result in a fine or a very short stint in jail. Stat. rape is a felony and you will probably wind up in actual prison (not merely jail).
I think the idea seems plausible at least in part because the website supposedly screens everyone to be over 18. However, I really doubt they are trying that hard.
On the other hand, the setup theory implies an adversary that has access to a trustworthy minor willing to bang strangers for money/the cause. This seems a little too much like the plot of a John Grisham novel to me. Not that it's impossible, just that someone will need to show some real evidence before I'll pay much attention.
Gee, someone dumb enough to fight another man's rich war pretends that this gives him a special privilege of understanding systems of government and the rest of the civilians are unable to understand this insight. Maybe you study history to understand WHY "The pen is mightier than the sword."
All you have done is traded one form of propaganda for another. But keep trying to justify that your immoral killing and archaic violence "magically" gives you a leg up to understand morality. What a fucking hypocrite.
I got through 43 years without ever being in trouble with the police. Then I got on the wrong side of one police officer, and next time I encountered him he walked over to me and arrested me. Him and a colleague gave written statements that Iâ(TM)d assaulted them. Fortunately there was a recording of my arrest and the prosecution was dropped.
Itâ(TM)s hard to go through an experience like that, and still take this story at face value. I just donâ(TM)t trust law enforcement anymore.
I forgot that I read that, dammit. Thanks.
But the trip had already been scheduled.
I was just reminded that he WAS told by a friend of the victim that the police were looking for him.
Someone of the age of 16 is not fully developed.
By what criterion? In history, countries had regents of that age - see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - and quite obviously a lot of humans have sex at that age, also in current time - see e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
Might as well treat all consensual sexual encounters as pedophilia.
That's the point of so many laws, many of them conflicting. So many Federal laws alone that they've been unable to count them. It's been said that the average person commits three felonies a day..
"You're all criminals, but we'll generously choose to not prosecute you for now, as long as you stay in line, keep your mouth shut, and obey."
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
> First off as a veteran of the Vietnam conflict I do not believe you understand what communism is.
Same goes for you. You don't even understand what MIGHT give you some standing to preach to someone else about their ignorance of communism.
This is ironic because I was just discussing this very topic with an actual ex-Soviet today.
The Soviets didn't even bother with the pretense of a legit looking prosecution. The coffee klatch at your office could rat you out and get you sent to a gulag.
I bet you will look at them differently on Monday.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
It sounds like he is guilty of having sex with an under-age minor.
However if he really thought she was 18, then he's not a pedophile.
That's an important distinction in terms of others doing business with someone - many people would be horrified at having anything to do with a true pedophile, while being OK with someone that had questionable but legal sexual tastes otherwise. Just paying for sex is a whole different kind of deal morally speaking.
Even if it was not a setup, he was pretty stupid to do anything even close to illegal when it was very probable everything he did was being tracked by the government (probably more than one).
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Its. "Spouting". Stupid beta male retard motherfucker.
Hey - he's an amoeba, you insensitive clod!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If you're going strictly on reasoning abilities, people probably shouldn't be considered adults until they're around 25. There's some research to suggest that the brain doesn't fully stop developing until a person is in their 30's. Where do you draw the line? Also, we know that abstinence-only sex education is a miserable failure and that trying to outright forbid teenagers from having sex is probably more likely to encourage them just to spite you.
An older adult that's trying to hook up with 16 year olds is a sleaze-ball regardless of whether it's legal or not. However, there are a lot of problems if you try to base adulthood around reasoning abilities. It's as arbitrary as age and there's likely going to be some people who never make the cut. Who is responsible for those people who are stuck being "children' for the rest of their lives?
Personally I think if you want to have a fair and useful measure, don't grant someone legal adulthood status until they can show they can be self-sufficient. If a person can't handle that, they probably can't handle the legal or other responsibilities (selective service) that come along with it. Even then, I don't know if I would want to go around telling people who are biologically adults that they're not allowed to have sex because they can't reach some arbitrary threshold. Similarly, there are some kids who had to grow up fast and can support themselves at 17, and at that point I can't see why I should have any right to tell them (in a legal sense, not as a matter of opinion or general speech) what they can or can't do with their body.
> Someone of the age of 16 is not fully developed.
Devils advocate: /sarcasm As opposed to someone who is 18 years old?
Who determines what this "magic age" is?
Young people will become mature at the age they are allowed to become mature. My grandparents were married at 13. My wife and I married shortly after she turned 18. Today, marriage is pressing the limits of female fertility.
The whole concept of teenagers was an invention. http://www.ushistory.org/us/46... It did make sense, but introduced a lot of complexities. Whereas once the evolution and survival of the species provided puberty and adulthood in the early teens, we sensibly stretched it some to allow for better education.
Now however, there are people who are agitating for adulthood to occur in the early 30s. 35 years old is considered a "young adult". I even saw a Ted talk by a woman claiming that women were biologically designed to start having children after 35 years old. Ironically, many women are freezing theieggs and have to go through fertility treatments at this age, and age when our ancestors were dying off.
My own thoughts on the matter is if the law says you don't boink a woman until after she is 100 years old, then you don't boink any women under 100.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The arrest warrant was issued by Texas.
Not really known to be totalitarian anti gun anti second amendment state.
As I suspect you actually understand, Texas isn't even close to a monoculture. The affidavit leading to the arrest warrant was issued by the police department of the well-known liberal hotbed of Austin. The application for warrant was signed by magistrate judge Tamara Needles, a Democrat.
Other than all that, spot on.
I don't see the historic acceptability of marrying off young women as being exculpatory.
A lot of men are not seeing the acceptability of marrying a woman at any age now.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Should a 17 year be banned from federal positions for life due to an an alleged wrestling match with a female peer?
Only if male. If female, it was her choice.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I'll add that it is absolutely disgusting that anyone who considers them self a liberal would result into such hideous victim-blaming of a child. Basically, no one should victim-blame a child.
You need to do some web research on Asia Argento. Anthony Bourdain's ex girlfriend, and one of the founders of the #metoo movement.
She carried on an affair with an underage male - indeed getting nude images of him starting when he was 12. First she denied it, then the pictures of her enjoying a nice post priandal nsp with the boy surfaced. Then she claimed the child forced himself on her. Then after paying the child a settlement, she claimed that Bourdain forced her ot pay the settlement. Then she decided to peep for her very own, the last payment of the settlement provided by her now dead boyfriend Bourdain.
Apparently in the #metoo world, everyone is guity, including little boys, and generous boyfriends who pay off your debts even when you are a disgusting pedophile utter trampslut.
And a lot of women support her. They too are more than happy to victim blame, as long as it is the dreaded male of the species. No lower age limit.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
She is taking money for sex so she is a prostitute regardless of age and should be charged with child related sex crimes as well.
They are both victims, yet at the time they both got what they wanted from each other. Either charge both or don't charge either of them. It's very hard to tell 16 from 18 when they give teens boobjobs and facial reconstruction so they can go find a sugar daddy...
Is that you Elon?
Strat, it was a Texas law that got Cody Wilson in trouble. Conservative, freedom-loving, libertarian, come-and-take-it Texas. I know you have an axe to grind, but this wasn't the federal government to blame.
When someone breaks a state law and then flees, the state sends a request to the state department to extradite (or in cases where the accused has skeedaddled to a country without extradition, yank his passport). The federal government has no choice in this matter. The State of Texas made the decision to charge, and to arrest, and they will be the ones prosecuting.
You are welcome on my lawn.
>Lie about age when signing up to prostitution website
>Lie about age to man to get money and sex
>Willingly have sex
>Willingly take money for that sex
>Admit to doing all of this, WILLINGLY
>Claim this was "assault"
>People actually take your side
THE ABSOLUTE STATE
Probably because she lied about her age to the website, and to the man in question.
Strat, it was a Texas law that got Cody Wilson in trouble. Conservative, freedom-loving, libertarian, come-and-take-it Texas. I know you have an axe to grind, but this wasn't the federal government to blame.
That'[s why I'm a small-"L" libertarian, and not a Christian-Right conservative. I know it was Texas State law, not Federal law. That was not the point and you well know it. Don't be deliberately obtuse.
The point was that this was a use of selective enforcement at the very least, and quite likely judging from past government behaviors, that it was a deliberate, orchestrated setup from the beginning to take down someone they considered a "problem".
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse.[1][2][7] This use conflates the sexual attraction to prepubescent children with the act of child sexual abuse, and fails to distinguish between attraction to prepubescent and pubescent or post-pubescent minors.[8][9] Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided, because although people who commit child sexual abuse are sometimes pedophiles,[7][10] child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles unless they have a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children,[8][11][12] and some pedophiles do not molest children.[13]
Many ppl see pedophiles as those who would pursue and underage child.
The fact that she told him that she was 17 (i.e. just barely legal), and that he paid her $500 speaks more about him, than my assuming the common usage of pedophilia, does about me.
BTW, since he was going to go so close to the line, I would have thought that he would at least check her drivers license. The fact that he did not care, again, speaks volumes.
And yes, we all make mistakes. WHen I was 21, working as a doorman, I met a french girl. Only she was not french, but she had a friend's modified passport. Turns out that she was 17, but I did not find out for a long time. BUT, I was not looking for a young kid and esp, not what I was 30+.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
in this context. It means developed at or near the full extent of the individual. It doesn't mean turning into Albert Einstein or something.
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Someone of the age of 16 is not fully developed.
Are you arguing for raising the age of consent to something like 25? Because that's the age by which most experts agree that the brain is fully developed.
From the very start it was obvious that his aim was to get 3D printing regulated.
I'm a complete CAD/CAM, or whatever is being used now-a-days, idiot and I am 100% confident I could design a plastic pistol to be made on a 3d printer.
Mr design my not be pretty but there is zero reason I could not make one.
And I believe a vast majority of any competent people capable of some design could do the same.
So, what is the big deal? It certainly isn't a challenge...
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Found the statist!
"I even saw a Ted talk by a woman claiming that women were biologically designed to start having children after 35 years old"
That's crazy talk.
At the age of 31, 50% of women are subfertile!
Between the ages of 30 and 40, live birth rates from a conception almost halves!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Because 3d printing threatens gun manufactures, not because it threatens 2A?
it gives time enough to get out of high school, to be sure you've had a chance at an education and maybe seen a future for yourself. Too many 16 year olds are convinced the entire world's out to get them and there's no hope for the future. It makes them vulnerable. The extra two years gives them some time to think about their future before we open them up to sex, drugs (tobacco at least) and war.
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is very, very pro-gun. He hasn't inconvenienced anyone. If anything the current ruling party is happy to have him. And as has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum he's being charged in Texas. Assange was almost certainly set up, but it's likely that Wilson got popped because he want to Taiwan in search of underage prostitutes and, well Taiwan and much of Asia is trying to shake the whole "sex tourism" thing and become a more family friendly tourist destination. Families spend a heck of a lot more money on Holiday than single dudes looking for cheap sex...
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OK, I didn't say anything about that, but, no, it isn't:
Texas law permits individuals who have reached the age of majority (18) to get married without parental consent. However, those 14 and older may get married with the consent of their parents or legal guardians. In those instances, consent must be given within 30 days prior to applying for a marriage license.
-https://statelaws.findlaw.com/texas-law/texas-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html
So, 14 with parents' consent or 18 without. Not 16.
That's irrelevant, though, because they didn't get married. They had sex.
The Texas Age of Consent is 17 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 16 or younger in Texas are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape.
-https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/texas
There are (some) defenses available if the older party is not more than three years older than the minor, but this guy's more than three years older than her.
It's not clear to me that he was looking for a minor based on the way they hooked up. But if he had sex with a 16 year old, then he's suspicious. Maybe she really does look older. Or maybe he was really happy to hit a high-schooler.
I don't think we can know if he's a pedophile or not with the information we have.
But this is where your logic breaks down. Why would the attorney general of the state of Texas think Cody Wilson was a problem? Why would they target him.
Because the Texas AG first off likely had little to do with a local prosecutor's decision to prosecute, and that local prosecutor likely had significant pressure applied by the Federal government and many others who don't want to see the Liberator 3D printer files be posted to the internet, and the prosecutor may even be a Democrat, IDK. Heck, he may have simply received an "anonymous tip" from an FBI agent and was just doing his job. Also, since this "technically" is not about the 2A, not sure how that would matter legally to the State AG.
I would not be surprised to find out that the FBI set him up with this girl and tipped off local law enforcement precisely to destroy Wilson.
These are no Boy Scouts we're dealing with in government in either Party. They play as dirty as they think they can get away with, whether (R) or (D). Again, another reason why I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. The "establishment" of both sides are thoroughly corrupt.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
as Randle McMurphy: "Doc, she was 15 years old going on 35. She told me she was 18."
I guess we won't be hearing much about 3D printed guns any more.
Yes, and the moon landing was staged and pizzagate is real. And the FBI mind-controlled Cody Wilson to go to a website that specializes in extra-young prostitutes just so they could set him up.
Follow the white rabbit, Strat.
You are welcome on my lawn.
What if the granny's only 32? (Or 37 if your local age of consent is 18?)
Great-grannies are safer.
It's got to be a cliche by now.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Italy has age of consent is 14 and heaven does not fall on earth there.
That's funny, I had always thought it did.
A golden rule is not to do two dodgy things at the same time. Being behind 3-D printed guns, controversial, a current big issue, and the legality of which is still in a state of flux is one dodgy thing, and having sex with a girl who is underage in at least one of the jurisdictions involved is another dodgy thing. Either one draws adverse attention to and weakens your case with the other.
As he wanted to promote printed guns with a high public profile he should stayed squeaky clean in every other respect. It's the price of "enjoying" a high public profile. No sympathy.
it's Taiwan, a place where extorion is normal.
Total bullshit, Taiwan is a modern democracy, with separation of powers, checks and balances and what not.
Which is why someone campaigning with a high profile should stay out of any possible trouble from other directions. Clean as Caesar's wife, as the saying goes.
Thanks for the reference. I hadn't heard that the women decided they did want charges laid. Given that, I agree, it doesn't sound so suspicious.
And the FBI mind-controlled Cody Wilson to go to a website that specializes in extra-young prostitutes just so they could set him up.
Oh come on, everyone knows the FBI doesn't run the mind control satellites. And besides this sort of thing is within the purview of what they put in chemtrails not satellites. I think it was a covert op by the NOAA.
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Wtf? Being attracted to a female with a body capable of bearing a child is not paedophilia.
Society determines an arbitrary cut-off at which women are considered old enough to consent to sex. That cut-off varies by jurisdiction but doesn't change the fact that men are attracted to the fully physically developed female form.
s not like he could have reasonably been able to tell the difference between a 16 almost 17 year old and an 18 year old
Which is why if she looks under 25 you make absolutely fucking certain you know her age before sticking your dick in her.
Yeah, it means you sometimes wont get to fuck the hottest 19 year old on the planet. It also means you wont get arrested in Taiwan and face 10 years in prison.
A 16 year old voluntarily prostituting herself is not a child.
The whole concept of teenagers was an invention. http://www.ushistory.org/us/46...
No, it's not. I take your article and raise you "Northanger Abbey", a book published in 1817 which more or less has the plot (heavily summarised) "teenagers are a bit silly". Now how on earth could that be a thing if teenagers didn't even exist then?
Maybe the word teenager wasn't used, but adolescents exist, always have and always will. There are even scientifically measurable brain changes that happen during adolescence.
It's not limited to humans either. You can see the behaviour easily in social animals as well.
Who determines what this "magic age" is?
Welcome to the real world. The real world is messy and fully of grey areas requiring a mixture of poorly applied rules and actual judgement. For example in this case it's often very clear when things are far over one side of the line. 5 years old? Definitely not ok. 50 years old? Definitely OK. Logarithmically interpolate (~16) and you run right into the middle of a grey area.
It's stark but ultimately it's like everything else. There's always a continum between "definitely fine" and "fuck no" and no matter where you draw the line problems abound. But if you don't draw the line anywhere at all you have even worse problems.
My own thoughts on the matter is if the law says you don't boink a woman until after she is 100 years old, then you don't boink any women under 100.
If the law says something stupid it won't be obeyed and nor should it.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Because the Texas AG first off likely had little to do with a local prosecutor's decision to prosecute, and that local prosecutor likely had significant pressure applied by the Federal government and many others who don't want to see the Liberator 3D printer files be posted to the internet, and the prosecutor may even be a Democrat, IDK. Heck, he may have simply received an "anonymous tip" from an FBI agent and was just doing his job.
There is also the possibility that the local prosecutor found out about an alleged rape and is doing his duty, just like he or she would do in any other case of alleged rape.
Who determines what this "magic age" is? Because it certainly varies from female to female
In this case, the law makers of Texas decided. But that kind of thing is hard to understand for some slash dotters. The law of Texas is that the "magic age" is 18 for all females in Texas, except for someone who is mentally disabled and will never be able to consent.
By what criterion?
By the criterion that that's what the law in the State of Texas says. One simple rule that applies to everyone in the state of Texas.
Probably because she lied about her age to the website, and to the man in question.
Sex with an underage person is one crime where only the facts count - what her actual age was at the time. What the man thought what her age was, or what she told him what the age was, doesn't matter. You think that's unfair? Maybe you're right. But that's what the law says.
"Capable of bearing a child" isn't a good cutoff point for pedophilia. A pedo just got sentenced this week for impregnating a 10-year-old https://www.washingtonpost.com... and as I recall some 5-year-old gave birth in Peru... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you want to be seen, stand up. If you want to be heard, speak up. If you want to be respected, sit down and shut up.
Unfortunately for Cody, his love making was done in the state of Texas, where the legal age of consent is 18. If he had simply been living up north by one state, he might not be in such hot water.
Incorrect. Regardless of the age of consent, BUYING sex from someone under 18 is generally very illegal.
No, that was the dictionary definition of Communism. Stop deflecting.
If the law says something stupid it won't be obeyed and nor should it.
It's not, which is how you end up with 19 year old "sex offenders" with distraught 16 year old girlfriends.
or in this case the Texans. America is a Democracy.
For me the question is, "At what age of your daughter would you feel comfortable knowing she is having sex with someone older than her". Two 16 year olds in the back seat is legal. Swap out one of the 16 year olds for a 32 year old and Houston, we've got a problem...
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It's not, which is how you end up with 19 year old "sex offenders" with distraught 16 year old girlfriends.
Oh it gets stupider than that. You can get two distraught 16 year olds both charged with sex offences.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
"My own thoughts on the matter is if the law says you don't boink a woman until after she is 100 years old, then you don't boink any women under 100."
What an extreme statement.
Whoooshies.
So just to prove how much of a bootlicker you are you would be willfully celibate for life? And watch everyone die while the brave go to jail for love?
You see, dear Coward, my point was not that we should have such laws, but that laws are laws. If the law says I do not fuck 14 year olds, or 16 year olds, or anyone under 18, then I won't. I have no intrinsic need or wish to fuck 14 year old women. Regardless of what Republican Senate candidates from Alabama think.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
"I even saw a Ted talk by a woman claiming that women were biologically designed to start having children after 35 years old"
That's crazy talk.
At the age of 31, 50% of women are subfertile!
Between the ages of 30 and 40, live birth rates from a conception almost halves!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I consider it just some of the feelgood lies told to women. For some reason, the dictates of modern feminism demand starting a career right out of college, then working for a decade, then finding mister right, and having children.
My wife and I had decided we were going to have one child, and she looked at the science, and decided she wasn't going to have a child any time after 25. So we had a child young, and after he was in preschool, she embarked on her career. With a vengeance. Ended up the number two position in her company - and paid more than the owner.
Now many of these professional ladies end up finding out the hard way that if they decide that they are going to start the man-hunt when they are 35, their plan tends to fall apart. Men that age tend toward not wanting to get married, either by being divorced at a younger age, and either being considered unfit by virtue of not having enough financial resources, or the 35 year old men that they consider acceptable - looks, height, financial level - just are not interested in marrying a woman who is demanding that they start fertility work immediately.
So these poor successful women start freaking out and try to extend theit fertility by freezing eggs in the hope of meeting mister right at 40 or even later.
Which has even less of a chance of success. Fertility with unfrozen eggs isn't all that great, and not many men want to become fathers in their 40's.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If this story is in fact legit, shouldn't the girl be the one going to jail? She lied about her age, signed up for a site where you hook up with people, then cried because somebody chose to hook up with her... and now the guy - who was using the service legally - is getting in shit?
This entire story stinks of victim blaming and bullshit.
Or a single 16 year old charged with possession of child pornography and labeled as a sex offender for life for having nude pictures of himself on his phone.
Ah yeah I forgot about that one. That's a registered-sex-offender-for-life kind of a deal isn't it. It lets the elected prosecuters run on a platform about how they are extremely tough on the crime of child pornography, while not technically lying.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
they won't care about buying a product from an [accused] pedophile
Sex with a sexually mature 16 year old makes you at worst an ephebophile, not a pedophile. Something (while still unsavory) that is far less revolting.
What does that have to do with what I said?
He was crying about how anyone could blame a poor child. I answered.
The whole concept of teenagers was an invention. http://www.ushistory.org/us/46...
No, it's not. I take your article and raise you "Northanger Abbey", a book published in 1817 which more or less has the plot (heavily summarised) "teenagers are a bit silly".
How on earth would you think that is what refutes my referenced statement. If anything, it moves the dates backward. But regardless, if the living conditions were what they were back then, but we waited until what we consider appropriate, we'd go extinct in short order. People were in general dying off at the age that many consider proper for having children today.
Now how on earth could that be a thing if teenagers didn't even exist then?
You are woefully confused here. Your attempted refutation based on a word, simply does not negate the concept of extended childhood. Where once humans married shortly after puberty, and through the concept of teenagers - or if you find the word so offensive - extended childhood might salve your sensitive ears, there is no question at all that extended childhood exists.
There are even scientifically measurable brain changes that happen during adolescence.
All through life there are measurable changes in the brain. That in no way means that humans should wait until menopause to have children.
That is because there are years of peak fertility, and it is very difficult to bear children outside their physical boundaries.
Welcome to the real world. The real world is messy and fully of grey areas requiring a mixture of poorly applied rules and actual judgement. For example in this case it's often very clear when things are far over one side of the line. 5 years old? Definitely not ok. 50 years old? Definitely OK. Logarithmically interpolate (~16) and you run right into the middle of a grey area.
It's stark but ultimately it's like everything else. There's always a continum between "definitely fine" and "fuck no" and no matter where you draw the line problems abound.
I do not have an issue with obeying simple age limits described and implemented by the social mores that exist where I am at. Seems pretty simple to me.
It is very difficult to assign a certain age as the lower limit, but you have to.
14? Some young ladies have not even gone through puberty yet. There is a genetic relationship as well as a weight relationship. 16? Well, some young ladies have been fertile and sexually interested for 4 years already. 18? I suppose that might work, but the sex drive in both male and female is raging pretty hard by that time. So a country discusses and sets a lower limit, and you comply with it.
Disclaimer - I've always been attracted to women of a more mature outlook, which to me starts in most women in their mid 20's. Even when I was a teenager, I hung around the local college campus. High school girls were silly and pretty lame mentally.
If the law says something stupid it won't be obeyed and nor should it.
Meh. Sometimes the posted speed limit is stupid. Sometimes following the rules about recreational drugs like weed is stupid. You want to bang some 14 year old, go ahead, but don't come bitching if you end up in jail.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If the law says something stupid it won't be obeyed and nor should it.
It's not, which is how you end up with 19 year old "sex offenders" with distraught 16 year old girlfriends.
Yeah, and that's a shame. But boys that age think with their dicks, not their brains. Time to educate them that there is a world out there that wants to destroy them, and boinking their girlfriend when she's underage will give society all it needs.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
So a girl lies about her age and joins a website to sell sex⦠A website that claims to require everyone to be 18 or over⦠and the government goes halfway around the planet to get the guy? What about her fraud and prostitution? Why is she a victim here and not the criminal?
Ephebophilia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Get it right.
And it's absolutely beyond fucked up that Men go to jail for a young woman lying about her age. There's tons of 16 Yr olds that look much older than they are. Who would expect a 16 yr old would resort to creating an adult online profile? Why aren't we looking at this?
If it's proven he had every intention of a young adult interaction that's one thing. You still shouldn't pay for it. But As far as the law is concerned her actions should have her treated as an adult in this case unless she's being trafficked. This is the more likely scenario and it should still exclude him from prosecution for the underage portion. He should still answer for the paying for sex part though.
Also, Polaris Project:
https://polarisproject.org/
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Sex is the oldest currency known to man. I don't think the #metoo movement is going to change that.
The loss of due process and re-evaluation of the risk/reward aspect of interaction between the sexes is causing men to avoid them. There is already in Japan, the "Herbivore men" who exchew relationships with females https://www.telegraph.co.uk/me...
Now I've been married for a long time, but as a hetero male with a healthy sex drive, my risk/reward analysis leads me to state in no uncertain terms that if I was young today, I would concentrate on my career and hobbies only, and make certain I was never in a position that could be compromised. As some say - that juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Other guys? Hey, if the prospect of being called out on social media and convicted by the public with no defense or due process is worth a bit of modern woman sex - by all means, go for it. I'll be the guy sitting on the lawn chair, drinking shots of tequila and eating popcorn while watching their destruction.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Bitch you said 100 and now you say 14...learn math.
As soon as you learn to follow conversations, homie.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The technique is called "Parallel Construction", professor. Read up on it. He, probably, did do it — but the evidence, likely, stems from surveillance placed on him illegally. To avoid having to reveal the surveillance, and the danger of having the suit thrown out because the entire investigation was a Fruit of the Poisonous Tree, the feds hinted to local police, who've built their own evidence from scratch.
It is still a Fruit of Poisoned Tree and he should walk on those grounds alone.
I rather doubt, the site specializes in underage prostitutes — that's just bad for business...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
When did we all become so afraid of sex? When did it become this horrible threat that nobody (else) should engage in?.
I think that the third wave feminists are intent on if not killing it, of exercising dictatorial control of anything that might be considered sexual in nature. The weird part is that the third wavers have cast women as so incredibly weak that the act of a male winking at a woman is now considerd sexual harassment, and apparently damages the woman terribly. So unless she gives "enthusiastic consent" to anything a male suggests, one wrong move on his part is rape. Want to nibble on her earlobe? if in a fit of passion you nibble without asking, or you don't get an enthusiastic YES! from her when you asked to, you have just sexually assaulted her.
The terrible thing is that many women go along with this, but discover too late that it is destructive to happiness. It has killed spontaneity, since married woman need to give enthusiastic consent as well. The trump card is now the mere asking is she would like to do anything sexual can be considered harassment. If she doesn't want to be asked.
differential analysis - there are a lot of women following the marching orders of other women who have a white hot hatred of all men. They've been trained to lowkey hate men, and the men they lowkey hate are finally deciding that there are other paths to happiness.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
For some reason, the dictates of modern feminism demand starting a career right out of college, then working for a decade, then finding mister right, and having children.
That's more the dictates of the job market meaning taking a career break, or even time to give birth, in their 20s, and having a partner earning enough , isn't possible.
I see. My wife's having a child early while in her most fertile years, with the biggest likelihood of a healthy baby, then embarking on a highly successful and well paid career with a salary always within a few hundred dollars one way or the other that allowed both us to retire very early - was all wrong, amirite? Gawd, I wish we could have known!
I can hardly wait until these women who put off having children until the latest possible time, say mid 40's, are going to think of having a high school senior in the house when they are in their mid 60's. Assuming that their daughters also take the incredibly intelligent approach, the lady better be planning to live until they are at least 120 years old to have a chance of seeing her grandchild. Women are powerful, but does that power extend to immunity against time?
"Let's visit grandma's and daddy's urns in the mausoleum Brittany! After that, we'll visit your mother in the nursing home." is more like it.
Feminism and their dictates have convinced many women that they can have it all - apparently that they can deny time as well. Or perhaps not. You decide.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Uh-huh, so why are we defending him?
So, the Trump administration is pushing the prosecution of this guy? Is that your assertion?
At bottom, my concern is that you're doing a fair amount of mental jujitsu to try to come up with a conspiracy scenario where this statutory rapist second amendment hero is set free because you think disseminating the plans for 3D-printed guns means he should never be held accountable for any crimes he commits.
Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the best one: he bought a prostitute from a website that specializes in extra-young girls and he committed rape. Running away to Taiwan and pretending to be a 30 year-old student doesn't make him look particularly innocent. Also, he reportedly visits Southeast Asia a lot, which makes me suspicious that he's doing a little pedophilia sex tourism. He got a taste for young meat over there and thought he'd do it at home and got his dick caught in a wringer.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, remember that annoying ditty, professor? If NSA were illegally surveilling his phone, they broke the law. He ought to walk just to teach them a lesson. Does the name Ernesto Miranda ring any bells? He was far worse that Cody Wilson — his crime was not a pseudo "assault", but a real kidnapping and rape. Yet, he walked, because his Constitutional rights were violated by police — and now his name is immortalized in the term "Miranda Rights"...
The same swamp, that leaned on Norway to go after Assange, who now push Trump's own prosecution, is after this guy, that's my conspiracy theory.
He is not even accused of rape — the charges are "sexual assault". In Arkansas — across the border — 16 is old enough, for example, stop trying to vilify him over a Malum Prohibitum transgression.
Now, that site, which you claim is specializing in the "extra young" — I'll take your word for it — they must have a substantial customer-base, don't you think? Just to stay in business, uhm? And this one can not possibly be the only girl, who's a tad too young to be legal. Why is Cody Wilson the only one prosecuted? Shouldn't the site be busted open — as "Backpage" were — if they "profit from rape"? Or, if this girl is an anomaly, how could Wilson have suspected her age? As the OP said, this case does not smell right at all...
What should worry you is the threat to our privacy — but, of course, it does not. It is only important, when Communist terrorists need to get off the hook. When it is about a guy who defends the Bill of Rights, you jeer and wish him to burn.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The age of justice is dead, if it ever did really exist. The gov't doesn't like Julian Assange, so he's got bimbos accusing him of this and that sexually. We have the current situation with Judge Kavanaugh, more bimbos. There were Herman Caine's bimbos, Bill O'Reilly's bimbos, Roger Ailes' bimbos, Clarence Thomas' bimbos, etc.
And of course this only matters for Republicans. Kieth Ellison has a bimbo and nobody cares. Bill Clinton has a string of bimbos and nobody cared. Teddy Kennedy even killed a bimbo and nobody cared. There's really no such thing as a Democrat bimbo, only gutter scum not to be believed.
"If"? You brought that into the conversation with zero evidence. Just dropped it in like nobody was going to notice?
In most states, the charge of rape has been broken into several categories, for the purposes of sentencing. Make no mistake: It's rape.
Look how far afield you're willing to take this story to make it match up with your bias. What evidence do you have of a threat to his privacy? What do "Communists" have to do with this guy raping an underage girl in Texas?
Are undocumented immigrants criminals? Did they break a law, however minor? So then isn't Cody Wilson a criminal if he broke a law?
You really don't have to go all Infowars on this, mi. It's a lot of wasted energy and gets you all upset and there have to be more important things or people in your life. Making up conspiracies out of thin air is no way to live.
You are welcome on my lawn.
??? I said "if" several times in this thread. Of course, I have no proof, NSA (or DEA) has been involved. But there are too many hints at them being behind it — the biggest being, why him? (Or why only him?)
It may be "rape" legally — because that's how Texas legislators chose to write the law. It is not rape by a normal human's definition — that is, it is not "having sex with someone against their will".
Crossing a country's border without the country's permission is Malum in Se. Having sex with with a fully-developed 16 y/o woman is merely Malum Prohibitum.
There are too many similarities with the bizarre accusations against Assange's for this to pass the smell-test.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Yes, of course, legally. And when you get arrested and tried, the only definition that applies is "legally".
If you read the full story, Cody Wilson did both. He entered Taiwan without a passport and raped an underage girl. That's Mucho Malum, however you And honestly, I don't think those Latin phrases mean what you think they mean. Both of those things are malum prohibitum.
Did Assange also buy an underage girl online? Did he get arrested in Texas, too? I don't remember that part of the story. Be honest. The only similarity between Cody Wilson and Assange is that they're both skeevy and they're both your heroes. And they're both in trouble.
You are welcome on my lawn.
There is also the possibility that the local prosecutor found out about an alleged rape and is doing his duty, just like he or she would do in any other case of alleged rape.
Yep, he got right on it after receiving that "anonymous tip" from the FBI who illegally had Wilson under heavy electronic surveillance. After all, Wilson's 3D Liberator files were an existential threat to those more-authoritarian regimes we have a cozy intelligence relationship with.
If the Deep State will illegally surveil Congressmen, journalists, and POTUS candidates, it's rather a given they'd have Wilson under a microscope. Anyone who says otherwise is either a shill or hopelessly blind and naive.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
If he had simply been living up north by one state, he might not be in such hot water.
Uh... in what US state is paying for sex with a 16 year old legal?
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Something noteworthy: in my country (Finland), and I suspect in England as well, the law is very different when it comes to paying a 16-year old hooker for sex than it is for ordinary consensual sex with a 16-years old. The latter is legal while the former is worse than paying an adult for sex (which also is illegal here).
16-years old is not a "full adult" and while most countries deem it to be old enough for having sex, they don't deem it to be old enough to make a decision of becoming a prostitute.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
Besides the confusing aspect of a) arresting an individual over a crime committed in another country, when it was NOT illegal in said country. b) the use of such to essentially incarcerate a political dissident, after the courts cleared said individual. And what is CLEARLY a sting operation, because this crap happens thousands of times a day and the government is neither aware of, nor cares about...but apparently knew all about this situation. d) which also points to the government illegally wiretapping a citizen
Just shows.....
1. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS A MAJOR SUPPORT OF RAPE & PROSTITUTION.
2. WE NEED 3D PRINTABLE GUNS....CAUSE .GOV IS UNTRUSTWORTHY
We have a four branched government, Executive, Legislative, Judicial, and the People.
Try again.
He entered Taiwan legally; the US *revoked* his passport after he was there, at which point Taiwan booted him for "not having a valid passport".
You didn't even have to RTFA; it as right IN the story that he's not accused of anything illegal in Taiwan other than "getting fucked by the US":
"Taiwan has no formal extradition treaty with the U.S., and Wilson was not said to have been doing anything directly criminal in Taiwan, the press there reports that he was arrested without incident because the U.S. had revoked his passport, making his mere presence in Taiwan illegal"
I am curious as to how the authorities found out about this. I would like to assume that people don't generally brag about their paid sexual experiences. If she lied about her age to get on the site, then why is this man fully to blame? Did she disclose her age to him before engaging in sex? Does she 'look' 16? Did he record the encounter? Was the whole thing a setup? We need more information, I think.
Besides the confusing aspect of a) arresting an individual over a crime committed in another country, when it was NOT illegal in said country. b) the use of such to essentially incarcerate a political dissident, after the courts cleared said individual. And what is CLEARLY a sting operation, because this crap happens thousands of times a day and the government is neither aware of, nor cares about...but apparently knew all about this situation. d) which also points to the government illegally wiretapping a citizen
Just shows.....
1. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS A MAJOR SUPPORT OF RAPE & PROSTITUTION.
2. WE NEED 3D PRINTABLE GUNS....CAUSE .GOV IS UNTRUSTWORTHY
We have a four branched government, Executive, Legislative, Judicial, and the People.
um... what?
arresting an individual over a crime committed in another country
The two are said to have met last month and traveled to an Austin, Texas, hotel, where they had sex, for which Wilson paid the girl $500.
It happened in Texas and it's illegal in Texas. They found out while he was in Taiwan.
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A criminal conviction requires mens rea (criminal intent). Hypothetically, if someone A meets someone B via a social website that claims to get verification that its members are 18 or over, and then has sex with them, how can that person be said to have the criminal intent to have sex with someone who is under 18? Also, have there been any scientific studies of the average accuracy of age guessing, for various ages? If say, the average error is +/- 3 or 4 years, don't we again have a problem proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the person intended to have sex with an underage person, given that their initial assumption based on the website was that the person was at least 18? Doesn't person A just need a decent lawyer? Or is that useless because we have a lynch-mob type of "justice" or a spy-agency-railroaded type of justice going on here?
no really but in your hypothetical Person A would be able to sue the website for failing to meet it's obligation to verify ages and *maybe* Person B for lying in some crimes. If Person A wants to be the fantasy rapist in a consensual rape fantasy website and the website fails to correctly identify people who actually want to participate in the rape fantasy. that doesn't mean he didn't rape someone. It means he raped someone unintentionally.
A LOT of people have been arrested and charged and convicted under similar circumstances. You could look at drug convictions along and find case after case. Especially when it later comes to light that they were setup.
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He is a pedophile, just trying to stay on the barely legal age of it. You don't go as an adult and pay someone who just ticked into the legal age because you're not interested in fucking as young as possible. If this was Sweden he'd had been fucking a 14 year old.
exactly. There are social reasons why dudes like to date younger women but most people learn better when they grow up. A 30-y-o dude going after 18 year olds isn't not gross because it's legal.
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If this was Sweden he'd had been fucking a 14 year old.
You don't think he could have easily gotten a very young girl in Taiwan? How naive are you anyway.
Your *speculation* as to what he might have done only shows how ill-informed you are.
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Is committing murder on the Intertubes a State or a Federal felony?
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If he had simply been living up north by one state, he might not be in such hot water.
Assuming events happened as the government alleges. It's not like they've never lied to use before. But it's possible they're telling the truth, maybe even likely.
Even so, it does seem rather odd that the federal government acted so quickly and vigorously to pursue and retrieve someone who violated a state law. Do they do this for everyone who allegedly breaks a state law, or just someone who's recently beaten them in court, and humiliated them in the process?
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
Another oddity. He was retrieved from another country, but then he was allowed out on bond?
http://knappster.blogspot.com/2018/09/cody-wilson-did-you-notice-this.html
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.