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Millennials More Likely To Fall For Scams Than Baby Boomers (washingtonexaminer.com)

A new report from the Better Business Bureau suggests that millennials are now more likely to fall victim to a scam than Baby Boomers. Washington Examiner reports: The Better Business Bureau reports that 69 percent of scam victims are under the age of 45. Young adults heading off to college are especially gullible, the group says. "College students can be easy targets for scammers and identity thieves. They are old enough to have money, young enough to be vulnerable and are likely unsupervised as many are away from home for the first time," writes Heather Massey of the Better Business Bureau. Phishing scams now target cell phones as well as email and social media.

"Millennials spend a lot of time on Facebook or other social media sites, where they can target them with these messages," said Jim Hegarty, Better Business Bureau president and CEO. College students also use sensitive information frequently, like student IDs, Social Security numbers, and banking information.

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  1. The joke writes itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who better to fall victim to a scam than someone who is heading to college?

  2. Gen-X are millennials now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Since when were millennials born in 1973?

    1. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gen-X here. Nobody ever gave a shit about us, not even other gen-x'ers.

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    2. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      We are so exceptional that there aren't even generic labels defining us. It seems like a good thing: a ridiculous prejudice less to give a shit about! :)

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    3. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So what, I don't care.

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    4. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      We are so exceptional that there aren't even generic labels defining us.

      What could be more generic than X?

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    5. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      What could be more generic than X?

      Touché.

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    6. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      That's not true, in the 90's they called us all a bunch of lazy shiftless flannel wearing losers who would amount to nothing.

      I remember years of news articles and tv shows about how GenX was going to be the end of America. Kinda like how they treat Millennial today.

      Honestly is anyone surprised that age leads to wisdom about scams? If that was the real title of the article then people would roll their eyes and move on but they through in the millennial tag to draw eyeballs and everyone, particularly the baby boomers jumped in to gloat like the losers they are.

    7. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Every cohort is called lazy and selfish when they are 15-25. Gen-X have earned, rightly or wrongly, a reputation for being cynical and not as politically active as Baby Boomers once were.

      But these broad generalizations are more amusing than useful.

      The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

      — Socrates

      Kids these days! ... and I guess also kids in 5th century BC Greece.

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    8. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Gen-X is just as politically active, the problem is Gen-X is about 1/3rd the size of a normal generation so the votes don't count for much as the boomers can dominate our voting. Our advantage comes with the Millenials, who are just and cynical and family oriented.

      I'd argue Gen-X and millennial differ very little political and life views on the whole and Millenials outnumber both Boomers and Gen-X combined. Each year as more and more of Millenials reach the age when they start voting regularly they are beginning to shape the electorate away from the Boomer dominated system of stupidity.

    9. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that's a fair assessment. My hope is Millennials can run things once I retire. They seem to have the drive and capability to do so.

      I do think that Gen-X are a little more materialistic than Millennials. We still buy into that American dream of having a car and a house. Millennials would rather avoid the hassle of owning things and rideshare and rent. Partially because the capital necessary to buy a home is huge, and because credit interest rates are shocking compared to what they were 20 years ago when many of us bought our first car.

    10. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I'd agree we are a bit more materialistic, but not much more than's reasonable for a change in generation.

      Most Millennial's got stuck with an economy and an education funding system that basically screwed them over far worse than any prior generation. Most are simply not in a financial position to buy homes, but if they were I believe they would, it's simply that they cannot due to debt loads. I think they will be more accepting of college like situations (renting, sharing housing, etc) after graduation than prior generations because they don't have the financial resources to curb those behaviors.

      I think the Millennials will actually be good leaders and political stewards in the same way the "greatest generation' was after having experienced the great depression. Millennials were hit the hardest of any group during the great recessions and those lessons and impacts will be long lasting.

    11. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Long time no see bro. (megaton here)

      I gave (give) a shit about you and I am a Gen-X'er too :)

      Are you and Angel_X11 still together? It has been a decade since we last spoke.

      BTW, my username/password is still active on your servers but there is no home directory so I can't do anything. *sigh*

       

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    12. Re:Gen-X are millennials now? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yup, we're still together, and currently house shopping. You can always email me for support (orange@ should work) or on FreeNode (OrangeTide).

      I took a bunch of the old accounts people used and disabled them. When we had trouble with the UID assignments when restoring back-ups, I restored all the old accounts (merged /etc/passwd basically) without home directories. Today I'll go through and disable all the old accounts completely for safety's sake.

      I re-enabled your account with a fresh home dir. If you need a restore from back-up that is possible but it may take me several days to find it. I'm kind of a terrible sysadmin and I have a tar inside a tar inside a tar inside a tar. Hopefully it's not one in the backups on DAT72, for a drive that doesn't boot in my new PC.(EFI/BIOS hangs during detection)

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  3. A trusting bunch by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sheep to the slaughter.

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    1. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely the old ewes are wary of the new bucks for very linear reasons.

    2. Re:A trusting bunch by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is nothing new about this. I was in Berkeley in the early 1980s, back when the new freshmen were still boomers. In September, the panhandlers and scammers would be lined up along Telegraph Avenue. By October, the students would be jaded and cynical.

    3. Re:A trusting bunch by alvinrod · · Score: 1, Troll

      Normally I'd ask if they aren't just sure it's a matter of age, with young people lacking the experience of being scammed that the older generation has become wary to after falling prey to it enough times. It's pretty hard to find any 17 year old baby boomers to test after all.

      Of course, there was the recent /. article about the younger generation thinking socialism was a good idea so the millennials could genuinely be naive, gullible fools. But is is fair to blame them for any of this, or should we really blame the generation that raised them to be this way?

    4. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is great news. It so happens I'm selling the Brooklyn Bridge. Going cheap. Best offer. See my other ads for cheap slightly damp land in southern Florida.

    5. Re:A trusting bunch by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      That sounds AWESOME! I'd love to buy it from you and set up an eco-preserve commune where cars are electric only and all is solar and vegan. I can pay for it next week when this Nigerian prince pays me my commission for helping him move $25,000,000 out of his country! I gave him my bank account, I should be getting a deposit any day now!

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    6. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sheep to the slaughter.

      Indeed, this is why Apple is doing so well... AND getting away with crazy profits.

      Also... in other news.. water is STILL wet!

      CAPTCHA: approve

    7. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, there was the recent /. article about the younger generation thinking socialism was a good idea so the millennials could genuinely be naive, gullible fools.

      It is more likely that their idea of what socialism is is way different from your idea of it.
      Many socialist proponents look and the Scandinavian countries as a template while you probably look at Maoism or something similar.
      Now you probably think "what they have in Scandinavia isn't socialism" but that is just you have to remember that according to the American conservatives anyone who wants to fund schools or healthcare is a socialist.

      If you make sure to use the same definition of socialism all the time you will either find that you have plenty of examples of where socialism works better than the current US system or you will find that there aren't actually a lot of people supporting socialism.
      If you change definition depending on your agenda, well of course things will look inconsistent.

    8. Re:A trusting bunch by not+flu · · Score: 0, Troll

      Now you probably think "what they have in Scandinavia isn't socialism" but that is just you have to remember that according to the American conservatives anyone who wants to fund schools or healthcare is a socialist.

      Actually I think the socialism we and our neighbors in Scandinavia have is an unsustainable disaster that in the case of Sweden has already irreversibly destroyed a previously outstandingly great country. What once made Sweden great and wealthy was proper incentives for economic productivity and high trust between people. Then the socialists took over and for a while restrained themselves in milking the productive portion of the population dry. Those times are long over. Now the situation is so bad that I've heard a swede say he would rather not work because that would give tax money to his government that is ruining everything!

    9. Re:A trusting bunch by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Never let it be said you can’t make money as an educator.

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    10. Re:A trusting bunch by Daralantan · · Score: 2

      I've heard a swede say he would rather not work

      Randomly reminds me of when a friend of mine worked for Electrolux. He went to a new international center they were building over there to do some kind of engineering. He had a friend over there that quit the engineering job because "I'd rather be a bus driver, it's easier and I'd rather think less."

      Not really related to your statement, just something I always found funny.

    11. Re:A trusting bunch by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anecdotes aside Sweden consistently comes near the top for things like quality of life, education, healthcare, crime etc.

      I'd imagine that if your friend had to live in, say, the UK long term they would realize how good Sweden has it.

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    12. Re:A trusting bunch by Kiuas · · Score: 5, Informative

      What once made Sweden great and wealthy was proper incentives for economic productivity and high trust between people. '

      Bullshit.

      The Nordic countries are all very wealthy (in the 25 in purchasing power adjusted GDP per capita, Sweden is 16th 5 places behind the US and one of the highest in Europe, and Norway is actually ahead of the US) and productive (with the exception of Iceland, all in the top 13 in terms of GDP per hours worked., with Denmark being pretty much equal to the US and Norway again being ahead of the US).

      Then the socialists took over and for a while restrained themselves in milking the productive portion of the population dry.

      Erm what? You do realize the exact opposite is true? Finland became independent after first 800 years of rule under the Swedish kingdom and then another 100+ years as an autonomous part of the Russian Empire in 1917 (we kinda slipped loose after the revolution happened, and had our own civil war in 1918 during which the communists that wanted us to join the then still emerging soviet union lost). A 100 years ago we were one of the poorest countries in Europe, with low overall education and literacy rates and a massive issue with poverty. We started the slow climb up and then the 2nd world war came. After the war and the rebuilding effort the foundations of the modern democratic socialism that combines a market economy with progressive taxation were laid out, copied from Sweden in large parts due to their successes there. The schools system was rehauled and unified, universities are tuition free, tax-funded health care etc. All of these are things that are now in our constitution. And what has happened? As already showcased we sprinted forwards to be among the top economies of Europe. Now does that mean that there are no issues and this is a perfect Utopia? No, absolutely not. The '08 crisis hit us here in Finland extremely hard because it also happened to coincide with the implosion of Nokia which was like almost a third of our export sector that basically disappeared, and we've spent the last decade recovering from that, and that's still an ongoing process, partially hampered by the fact that the current center-right (in Finnish terms, even the rightmost party here is to the left of the democratic mainstream in the US in their support for the existing universal systems) hasn't been very effective in tackling some of the structural issues, but nevertheless, we're still doing very well.

      But to say that the socialists 'ruined everything' is just utter BS. Without the social policies that we've put in place, we'd likely still be a very backwater nation instead of a global first world economy,

      Now the situation is so bad that I've heard a swede say he would rather not work because that would give tax money to his government that is ruining everything!

      Oh so you heard 1 Swede say that did you? Well that proves the whole system is ruined then doesn't it? C'mon man.

      Sweden took in a lot of refugees, way more than any other compared to the size of the population and that has obviously become a heated issue, as they have had problems with their immigration system previously as well. This has been made worse by the fact that Sweden changed its elementary school system away from the model they used to have (and that we still use) and allowed the creaton of privatized elementary schools, which has lead in parts of the large suburbs to rapid segregation creating schools for well-off natives and left the public schools in those areas to be heavily for immigrants. This obviously creates problems as it hampers those kids from learning the language for example, making integration and thus employment harder which creates a host of issues, the most prevalent of which is the rise of organized crime in those suburban are

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    13. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds more like burnout than laziness to me.

    14. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My definition is what is in dictionaries in Scandanavia.

      Loosely, socialism is a system whereby the means of production/distribution/exchange are owned/regulated by the people as a whole. In other words, the absence of specific owners for enterprises.

      For some examples:

      A farming co-op is socialist. Google is not.

      What do I win for being correct?

    15. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best post I've read all year. Thanks for some sanity.

    16. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, how dare a group of people think that, somehow, using their combined strengths to solve a problem would work. Don't they know they should just join the Republican party and that would salve everything? The Republicans are a giant group of people joined together....

      Wait, sorry. Bad example.

      I know! AMAC! That's not a huge group of people banding together to use their combined....

      Wait. No. I'll get it.

      OH! THe US Government. The US Government is a lone wolf. It's not like there are millions of people who...

      Damn. This is hard.

    17. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to be more specific. What has turned Sweden into the next Venezuela? Is it the blackouts? The poor schools? The ill-equiped hospitals? Undriveable roads? Why isn't this news?

    18. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that these troll farms left a lot of records behind and it's only a matter of time before they're hacked and everyone on earth, blackhats and the US government has your name.

    19. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this before or after the importation of refugees? When you add different cultures and races to a previously homogenous population I would expect it to ratchet up the divisiveness, especially if all those others immediately need assistance.

    20. Re:A trusting bunch by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      100 years ago the basketball-americans that were a threat to the American way of life were Jews. In another 100 years, our present basketball-americans will be integrated just fine.

    21. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is more likely that their idea of what socialism is is way different from your idea of it.
      Many socialist proponents look and the Scandinavian countries as a template while you probably look at Maoism or something similar.

      Then why is it that socialist proponents' policies often look just like something from stalinist russia or maoist china? Tax creep and disincentives towards ownership of goods and property is another (everything is rent/lease or a 'service' now) is also getting worse. On a cultural front, modern social justice activism on both sides of the pond demonstrate this quite well with their prevalent newspeak and twisting of statistics .

      Now you probably think "what they have in Scandinavia isn't socialism" but that is just you have to remember that according to the American conservatives anyone who wants to fund schools or healthcare is a socialist.

      Or perhaps you live in an EU country and have bought into the propaganda there like an american watching fox news or msnbc. At least try practicing a bit before you preach. Anyway, it's easy to have 'socialism' when you're sitting on top of a huge oil reserve. ..and you're not pushing an agenda yourself?

    22. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Berkeley in the early 1980s, back when the new freshmen were still boomers.

      Nope, that's GenX.

    23. Re: A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m sure theyâ(TM)ll magically have a high IQ (like the jews you mentioned have) in 100 years

    24. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily the right wing authoritarians aren't getting much of a foothold in EU. They would sell out literally everybody to their corporate masters, just like here in America. The vast majority of Swedes are extremely happy, and would openly guillotine any politician attempting to ruin what they've painstakingly built.

    25. Re:A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for taking the time to write this up. I found it very informative.

    26. Re: A trusting bunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, the Jews are still a threat. They like to control the narrative, but at least they are productive in doing it.

    27. Re:A trusting bunch by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      I'd suspect that, but this was also a fairly new employee who had just started working recently in that same year. And just wanted to go back to being a bus driver.

  4. They're not more likely to fall for scams by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    It's right there in TFS. They use the internet more and so the ones likely to fall for scams are easier to reach. It's harder to get to boomers since they're not very connected. This'll change out to older folks getting scammed more once the generation that grew up with the Internet ages a bit.

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    1. Re: They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, young people are naive and ignorant, and, like every generation of humans, they'll get more savvy and cynical as they age.

    2. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Kickstarter is done entirely on the Internet. Boomers probably don't even know what crowdfunding is.

    3. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      It's harder to get to boomers since they're not very connected.

      The above is laughably erroneous. Not all boomers fit your stereotype. Boomers are not stupid. Boomers INVENTED the integrated circuit, son. Boomers designed most of the technology you take for granted. I and many other boomers you do not know were using email before you quit wearing diapers.

      Being connected is not even the variable that matters in this situation !

      The variables that DO matter are a lack of street sense and a childlike view of the world. The preceding stuff also explains things like millennials wanting "safe spaces". Some millennials are still mentally very much children, though they are running around in adult-sized bodies. Children tend to be more naive because they have had sheltered lives, nd they have been able to rely on others for protection from many of the bad things in the world. Adults have to make their own way in the world and as a result they need to learn to protect themselves rather than depending on some other person for protection. Many millennials are grossly immature and this is reflected in their behavior and their attitudes. Disagree all you like, but you will be wrong.

    4. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Kickstarter is done entirely on the Internet. Boomers probably don't even know what crowdfunding is.

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      It's amusing you presume you are better informed than people who have lived longer than you, merely because you are younger.

      Do you actually imagine that you are privy to knowledge which is not accessible to people who are older than a certain age ?

      If anything, it is far more likely that quite a few older people know more than you do, because they have had more time in which to assimilate knowledge.

      If you're lucky some day you will attain the sort of wisdom that causes you to look back and say to yourself "Man, I didn't know shit back then,
      when I thought I knew everything".

    5. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was making a joke that Kickstarter was full of scams.

    6. Re: They're not more likely to fall for scams by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      until they get fearful and ignorant again and will once more fall for dumb tricks and blingy things.

    7. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Kickstarter is the scam. They get you to give money to someone else promising to deliver something that will probably never come to fruition, and they take a nice big cut of the action. So when it fails and you lose your money, you blame the other person, not them.

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    8. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      coddle
      v. To cook in water just below the boiling point: coddle eggs.
      v. To treat indulgently; baby.

      I don't think you meant "cuddled"

    9. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kickstarter is the scam.

      .

      Exactly !

      Why people keep falling for Kickstarter is beyond me. The typical scheme is that people are told they will end up receiving a product at a price far below what other people will have to pay. This is a form of gambling, in which you have little or no idea what the odds might be.
      Yes, some Kickstarter projects HAVE come to fruition, but enough have gone up in smoke that you'd have to be stupid to risk putting money up for a Kickstarter scheme. The smart money will sit back and wait and pay full retail when actual products are available.

    10. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Has anyone compiled data on kickstarter "success rates" ?

      I know there have been and are scams there, but I honestly dont have a grasp of the proportions.

      Show me the data.

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    11. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the problem with attributing things to an entirely group of people just because it is true for some individuals of that group; and then also taking credit for what others have done or blame people for what others have done.
      Only a vanishingly small fraction of Boomers invented the integrated circuit. But technically they didn't even invent it, because the brains behind were generations before them. Just thing about it, if the first Boomer was born in 1940, could they have made the breakthrough in 1958? Was it 18 year old Boomers that knew things so well over all their older colleagues with experience? The internet tells me that it was Jack St. Clair Kilby who patented the process. He was born in 1923 - not a Boomer. Just because it happened during a time in which Boomers were still born does not mean they invented it. For example you also can't attribute what Elon Musk did and wants to do to Millenials, just because they were around when he did it. Musk himself is Gen-X.

      Boomers however were extremely prominent in the Hippie movement. Communism, pacifism, anti science (although not anti intellectualism), free love, doing a ton of different drugs, and other such super moral things. You could call it a childlike view of the world.
      Given the statistics Boomers would be far more likely to be one of these drug addicted Hippies than those who worked on making ICs a real thing.

    12. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't know a single Kickstarter project that is not a scam. Or at least a very poor form of "investment".

      Funding a KS-Project is a high risk venture. One where you would expect an insane ROI for the simple reason that the chance of a sensible ROI is very low. Why do you think VCs usually take a sizable portion of your enterprise for the money they throw at you? We're talking about WAY more than 100% ROI. Usually by at least 2 orders of magnitude. Simply because they know that about one in ten or even just one in hundred projects they invest in will eventually pay off.

      What do you get with Kickstarter? At best a "special edition" of the finished product. Are you fucking kidding me?

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    13. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I know it's AC but, I would imagine a donation drive would be the old person version of crowd funding. They'd understand the concept.

    14. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I don't know a single Kickstarter project that is not a scam.

      Bard's Tale IV just launched last week. Brian Fargo's got enough experience in the industry he didn't seem like much of a risk (and that has been proved true). By paying early I got a game plus some extras, and more importantly for me paying early allowed the game to be made in the first place.

    15. Re: They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      internet as a babysitter/parent. helicopter parenting. political correctness. yes, blame the upbringing. but wait, blame isnt solving the actual problem. what IS the actual problem?

    16. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by suutar · · Score: 1

      kickstarters aren't any kind of "investment" because you get no ownership stake.

      As to scams, there's some, but I've contributed to a number of kickstarters and gotten exactly what I expected. It is, in many cases, essentially a way for someone to get a business loan at possibly reduced interest. Allow me to explain that.

      Normally you get a business loan, use the funds for some process improvement, and you pay it back out of proceeds from sales of products produced with that process. With a typical kickstarter you sell the product first, use the proceeds for the process improvement, make the products, and send them. Both ways you're improving process and selling product to pay for it, just with kickstarter instead of a bank charging interest to cover their risk, you have a bunch of individuals who are just eating the risk. Many (most?) kickstarters have some form of bonus to incentivize the public to take the risk, but that cost to them is probably on par with what interest would have been.

    17. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by fazig · · Score: 1

      Kickstarter itself does not check the feasibility of a project and of course opens the doors for scammers among everyone else.

      From my own experiences with the platform I've only backed a couple of video games. Given the samples that I chose to back, every single one of them turned out fine so far. And it got me the product, that I would have bought anyway at a relatively low price. That's the way I see it, from the point of view of a consumer. It's an expense, not an investment.

      Of course I know that this isn't the case for many other projects that launched on kickstarter. There, my common sense told me that their claims were too big for their evidence.
      Or sometimes it's a bit more than common sense. I remember some kind of hover board technology (Back to the Future 2) which relied on some obscurity of electromagnetic interactions between electrons. If I remember correctly it was supposed to use charged plates that were also spinning, which should produce some thrusting forces that seemingly defied Newtonian physics.
      Wading through the scientific basis of their work and the empirical evidence they've collected, I concluded that it is too risky to make that expense and or investment just yet.

    18. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I don't know a single Kickstarter project that is not a scam.

      I've backed 3 Kickstarter projects (one video game, one small board game, and MST3K), and all of them delivered what they promised, though not always on the original schedule.

    19. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      Ages 18-49 average 79.5% internet usage.

      Ages 50+ average 62% internet usage.

    20. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That "cost" to them is peanuts compared to a loan. Usually, what you get as a "backer" is some special edition version of the product, with some trinkets and goodies that are more or less free for the creator. I can see someone backing a project when he really, really, really wants what they promise to produce, because without your money it would not be built at all, but I can't really think of much that I'd want sooooo much ... at least nothing that can actually be produced.

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    21. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that "logic" (and I use that term so loosely that it beggars belief), all investment is a scam. Worldcom's bankruptcy means that the stock market is a scam! Anything not backed by a 100% money-back guarantee is a scam!

    22. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by suutar · · Score: 1

      For extras I was thinking of things like the kickstarter backer pin from when the Planet Mercenary kickstarter. Not used for anything else, so they got someone to do a run of something like 5k pins. At that order size, it probably cost about a buck a pin according to this site, so that's roughly $5k. There were other greeblies too (postcard, for example), but probably not enough to take it over 10k, so let's say it's a 5-10k range.

      Total funding through the kickstarter was about 350k. This site seems to indicate that the average rate for small business loans was about 6%. The kickstarter launched in april 2015 and the final update was emailed 12/29/17 so that's about 20 months. Loan calculator says that 350k at 6% for 1.7 years is 18090/mo, which totals to 361800, for a total of 11800 in interest.

      So certainly the extras were less than interest, but I don't think I'd call it peanuts or "more or less free". A set with more electronic extras, or where the extras are more of something that matches the base item, to hold down extra-only production costs, is probably closer, but still not likely to be ignorable.

    23. Re:They're not more likely to fall for scams by drewlake2000 · · Score: 1

      I quite fancy some cuddled eggs though...

  5. This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Young people are too trusting of others and grow up to be distrustful of everything after getting scammed once or twice.
    The reason baby boomers fall to scam less often, is exactly because they've gone through that phase already and learned their lesson. This is the same thing that happens with every generation, the past is bound to be repeated over and over again, humans don't learn from their mistake.

  6. I disagree but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I disagree. Being a M I have to. BTW, what is SPAM? Is that the latest from Apple or a music group? It's got more than 3 letters so I can't understand it.

  7. Sheltered by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Millennials are also the first generation where bullshit like "I should be able to walk down the street naked and have nothing happen to me" is considered neither a joke nor a statement of "why yes, I am bat shit crazy, just wanted to get that out there while breaking the ice." Or girls just leaving their apartments unlocked and then wondering why they had problems with creeps.

    I'm an older Millennial, and I grew up in smaller towns in the South. When I went to college, I actually heard garbage like that from other Millennials. Coming from a law enforcement family in small southern towns, I was stunned at how so many of the middle and upper class Millennials acted like they were born last night in a cabbage patch.

    I mean, fuck me, if I had said "I should be able to walk anywhere at 2AM covered in bling and not be hurt" my dad would have looked outside and said "oh I'm sorry, did I miss the news cast where Jesus returned in triumph and put all of the evil in the world into Hell? No? Then use your damn head."

    1. Re:Sheltered by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is something that I have also observed with a lot of millennials. Most of them have the works they way they think it should, and now how it actually works. In the ideal millennial world you should be able to walk down the street naked at 2 am. They just don't take in to account there are fucking evil people out there that will happily take advantage of them.

      It is not that millennials are stupid, it just they are not getting the same life experiences any more that most of us non-milennials got.

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    2. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the ideal millennial world you should be able to walk down the street naked at 2 am.

      I would argue in ANY ideal world you SHOULD be able to this... but alas we don't live in an ideal world.

      Captcha: damsel

    3. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In terms of brain compute power, millennials might not be more stupid than other generations, but in terms of critical thinking skills they are beyond hopeless. Unfortunately, critical thinking skills are what stops people from being scammed, from being deceived, from falling for authoritarianism, and of course from being a special snowflake--and millennials are abysmal at all of that.

    4. Re:Sheltered by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No we shouldn't. I don't want to see you naked and it is illegal to do that.

    5. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's true; in my day, when I walked down the street naked at 2 am I consistently got a savage beatdown. Looking back, I'm honestly grateful to my assailants; how the heck else could I have learned?

    6. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No we shouldn't. I don't want to see you naked and it is illegal to do that.

      Cover your shame!

    7. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is illegal to do that

      Only in repressive dumps, in most of Europe this is legal... cold and dangerous perhaps, but legal.
      Seriously US censorship/ratings are the worst... a flash of tit and y'all like "won't somebody think of the children."

      Talk about being sheltered.

    8. Re:Sheltered by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You should be able to leave your apartment unlocked/walk down the street naked and not have an issue. You of course won't. But that doesn't excuse the actual people who take advantage of them.

      And, year-by-year, we get closer to that ideal world. So, you know, it's improving.

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    9. Re:Sheltered by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      In the ideal millennial world you should be able to walk down the street naked at 2 am.

      "The world should be my safe space." -- woke millennials.

      Yeah, good luck with that. Come back when you're a little more worldly and educiatized.

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    10. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are either wildly misunderstanding the issue with your genius brain or you are knowingly defending rapists.

    11. Re:Sheltered by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Uh, but FEMEN activists get arrested all the time?

    12. Re:Sheltered by gweihir · · Score: 1

      It is not that millennials are stupid, it just they are not getting the same life experiences any more that most of us non-milennials got.

      They are getting it. But far too late, when the harm is a lot larger than what it would have been at the age they should have been getting it. Stupid. Protecting your children like that harms them.

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    13. Re:Sheltered by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Might get even shot by the police, you know because you tried to assault them visually with your nude looks.

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    14. Re:Sheltered by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. In a recent art performance somewhere in Europe, all that happened was that the police came to check whether woman doing it was all right and not confused or something. That assured, they left again and no harm done.

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    15. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in my day, Fremen activists were rightly called TERRORISTS, and we didn't bother arresting the dirty spice-heads!

    16. Re:Sheltered by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      So you believe that one should be attacked for walking down the street naked ?

      Obviously it's not safe behavior, bit why do you think it shouldn't be?

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    17. Re:Sheltered by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      That's either in countries where any form of protest is already illegal or in countries where trespassing is stil illegal in the buff.

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    18. Re:Sheltered by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      Kavanaugh is that you? Yeah I mean the expectation of living in a society without rapists thieves and creeps is horrible. It was totally her fault she got assaulted.

    19. Re:Sheltered by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As someone who never locks my front door, whose girlfriend walks home just fine at 3am through an unlit park, maybe the fact that millennials are not getting the "experiences" you got is because the world around you has improved.

    20. Re:Sheltered by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The same is said of every generation. Were hippies and flower power any less ridiculed?

      Young people, by virtue of having been alive for less time, are less experienced. Some would say less cynical and worn down. It will always be that way.

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    21. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a few spare bucks, I would suggest to read Haidt/Lukianoff: The Coddling of the American Mind. The two authors are sotcial psychologist with very interesting observations, based on statistical data with possible suggestions of causes and solutions. Very nteresting book.

    22. Re:Sheltered by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, have you looked at them? Them naked is a crime against nature AND good taste.

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    23. Re:Sheltered by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Try that as a man and you get arrested for indecent exposure.

      Equal rights, my ass...

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    24. Re:Sheltered by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, experience is information you get after you needed it.

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    25. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whose girlfriend walks home just fine at 3am through an unlit park,

      I've seen her man ... and that fat bitch is totally safe

    26. Re:Sheltered by jittles · · Score: 1

      Millennials are also the first generation where bullshit like "I should be able to walk down the street naked and have nothing happen to me" is considered neither a joke nor a statement of "why yes, I am bat shit crazy, just wanted to get that out there while breaking the ice."

      I live in the middle of a big city and I do feel this way. But of course the fact that I am bigger than most people out there and am usually walking down the street with a 90 pound dog probably help me feel like I am not going to get hassled. But it's not something I would recommend to any of my friends or family.

    27. Re:Sheltered by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of Star Trek, particular Next Generation. Obviously the product of the boomer generation, and they had entire planets where people could walk around practically naked (it was TV after all) without worry. Seems like an admirable goal really, a society with that little crime.

      The whole Federation was pretty much that way.

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    28. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millennials are also the first generation where bullshit like "I should be able to walk down the street naked and have nothing happen to me" is considered neither a joke nor a statement of "why yes, I am bat shit crazy, just wanted to get that out there while breaking the ice."

      Go back and find some pictures from the 60's and 70's...

      Find the pictures of people literally walking down the street naked and expecting nothing bad to happen to them from the era of free love... then get back to me on who was the "first" generation to pull that shit.

      Boomers have short memories, probably because of the drugs... doesn't mean these things didn't happen.

    29. Re:Sheltered by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily, but the risk is certainly higher. You have a point.

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    30. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This coming from people who spent lots of time, influence, and money making their own suburban safe spaces where they wouldn't have to interact with brown people. Physician, heal thyself.

    31. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who never locks my front door...

      Someone who never locked his front door would be equally appropriate in an obituary or on a grave stone.

    32. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy gets it.

    33. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I could swear I've heard libertarian talk from you in the past. Freedom to dump pollution is paramount, but the LAW must keep people clothed to defend the purity of your eyes?

    34. Re:Sheltered by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Millennials are also the first generation where bullshit like "I should be able to walk down the street naked and have nothing happen to me" is considered neither a joke nor a statement of "why yes, I am bat shit crazy, just wanted to get that out there while breaking the ice." Or girls just leaving their apartments unlocked and then wondering why they had problems with creeps.

      No, they aren't. Young people being a bit naive is nothing new... The fact is young people just lack the experience we take for granted. I'm a gen-xer... Which makes me older than you. You were once the naive young fool you think all young people people are.

      Wisdom comes with age and experience, your kind of thinking is when you gain years, but retard experience.

      Of all your examples, there were young people of my generation doing it, there were young people of my parents generation... Remember the 60's... Of course you don't but they weren't much different. Cars were crappier, petrol was a bit cheaper and it had lead in it but we're not fundamentally different as humans.

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    35. Re:Sheltered by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      So much this. This is just another part of what happens when parents wrap their precious snowflakes up in cotton wool and bubblewrap and only allow them to frequent "safe spaces" instead of letting them start to figure things out for themselves, including all the accompanying cuts and bruises to body and ego, and building up their self-confidence and life skills in a controlled manner. No matter how much we'd prefer it to be otherwise, life can - and does - suck from time to time, and other people can be - and are - assholes from time to time, so the sooner kids start to realise that and begin acquiring the tools they'll need to deal with it the better.

      It's called "parenting" folks, and remember - how you treat your own kids will often be returned in kind when your looking to retire and rely on them for support, so best make a good job of it. If, on the otherhand, you're looking for an almost guaranteed path to a 20- or 30-something fuckup, then denying them that gradual learning curve throughout their adolescence and just shoving them off the deep end when it's time to leave home for college, career, or jail, sure seems like a great way to do it.

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    36. Re:Sheltered by scamper_22 · · Score: 2

      Hopefully this conversation stays in these bounds. But I really like how Jordan Peterson puts it in his Maps of Meaning Havard lectures. I'll paraphrase it.

      "Your culture protects you and allows you to operate within those bounds. Remove the protections of that culture, and you don't know who you'd be"

      I grew up in Africa. I'm of Indian background. Life was far more dangerous. I wasn't protected. I did ignore/not help someone who looked injured on the side of the road. It could be a scam to rob/hurt me. I did avoid certain people/areas about of pure fear of what can happen. Mainly because I personally knew people who had really bad things happen to them... and had some happen to me. I obeyed a lot of rules to keep my self safe... never wear jewelry in public. Don't display any sign of wealth...

      I now live in Canada with ample protection. To the point where here, I'm seen as the altruistic brave person. I was on the subway a while back and a thuggish person had fallen asleep/or drunk at the end of the line. Everyone was too scared to wake him up. To me, it was just easy. I had literally no fear of this 'Canadian thug'. I woke em up, got thanked by the other people on the subway...

      The point here is not to pump me up, but to put it in perspective. These people who had so much fear, they couldn't wake up a sleeping thug on the subway in Toronto were really no different than me back in Africa. It's just a matter of perspective. I had seen 'real' danger and 'real' random violence. I am not risking that. For whatever reason, the culture in Canada has largely protected me. I don't really have that random violence fear. Canada is not utopia people, violence and gangs and murders happen here, but generally if you mind your business, people don't bother you. At least that is how I've felt in Canadian culture. It never crossed my mind once that the sleeping thug would have any reason to attack me.

      On the one hand, these millennials seem naive. They've been raised in a culture that tells them what their rights are and about the goodness of people. By in large you can go through the first 25 years of life living very well protected by that culture. You'll probably get to see more goodness in people than I would. Take a step back for a second. Why should they not expect to walk down the street naked at 3 am? Because danger you say? Any less danger than me just walking down the street. Because when I was an Africa I literally had the fear just walking down various street in places I had to go. Yet, we've managed to create a culture in North America where in general, you can walk around without general fear.

      Why can't we create a culture where it is safe to walk around naked at 3 am in general?

      I of course have my doubts and my mind is much more like yours in terms of safety, but I also can't help but see so much of it is just culture. I can tell you for sure that the millennial guys for example are much kinder and more tame than the guys when I went to school with and much much much more tame than the guys in Africa. I've never been to Sweden so maybe this is a gross naive stereotype, but let's imagine sweden without immigration for a second. Everyone there educated and protected by Swedish culture for generations. Would you think it strange to think a Swedish person could walk out at 3 am naked and have the general expectation to be safe? Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

      Of course this leads to a huge mismatch if you ever encounter people outside the protected millennial culture, but it is interesting nonetheless. But I see that as far less a problem, given we all take the protection of our culture for granted. We all appear from the cabbage patch from a different perspective.

    37. Re:Sheltered by h4x0t · · Score: 2

      You folks need to understand what the word 'should' means.
      Just because one says they should be able to do something (given a series of ideals), does not fucking mean they do it daily and fail to understand the consequences or drivers.

    38. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite frequently I see them just blindly cross the road and then get offended when someone almost hits them.

    39. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The world should be my safe space." -- woke millennials.

      It's a nice sentiment, but as you point out, the world isn't quite such a nice place.

      And this unfortunately is where most -isms completely fall apart ... failure to account for human nature as it is instead of how you imagine it could be.

      They present an idealised version of "well, people should do this", or "in our perfect world people would never do that". That, of course, isn't what happens.

      Communism and Capitalism both fail in the same way .. they both presume an underlying perfect world in which their system Just Works, and utterly fail to account for the fact that humans are greedy, selfish, irrational, and generally not nice to once another.

      In Capitalism you get corruption, greed, and gaming the system against what the proponents claim will happen, thereby failing to achieve the outcomes. In Communism you get corruption, greed, and gaming the system against what the proponents claim will happen, thereby failing to achieve the outcomes. Some animals are always more equal than others.

      My test for how badly any ideology will fail is the point where they become sheer fantasy and says "oh, in our perfect system humans will all act according to the plan and we won't have that issue". Any ideology which fails to account that our thing veneer of civilization can be stripped away pretty quickly, and that a large segment of the populace will never behave in your perfectly imagined way, is going to fail in practice. In my experience, so far that's all of them.

      Humans are selfish bastards, and always will be. Failure to account for this, or even be aware of it is something you do at your own peril -- because you will find this out one way or another.

    40. Re:Sheltered by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Should you? In a utopia where no one wants to steal is that because of total police surveillance, because homes only contain junk bought on credit from Amazon not worth stealing, because thieves are all dead from drug overdoes, or because AI forces everyone to generate views for YouTube videos and won't let them outside.

    41. Re:Sheltered by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Alternatively, it could be a post-scarcity world, it's a world with little enough crime that cops can solve crimes after the fact with forensic evidence, it's a world where drug-addicts get treatment and don't need to steal to fuel their addiction, it's a world where everyone has a good job. Look, there are always some dipshits, but most crime is desperation. If we can remove that, we remove a lot of crime. If we remove enough crime, cops can start solving burglaries.

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    42. Re:Sheltered by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      The same is said of every generation. Were hippies and flower power any less ridiculed? Young people, by virtue of having been alive for less time, are less experienced. Some would say less cynical and worn down. It will always be that way.

      Not like this generation. Hippies, despite all the shit I give them, had enough basic life skills when they started out. When I came out of high school, at the age of 18, I knew how to create a budget, balance a checkbook, type, cook a basic meal, buy and maintain a car, look for, apply for, and get a job. Any many other basic skills.

      I've met Millennials, in college, that can't even do basic math with out a calculator. I'm not talking algebra here, but addition and subtraction. Some of them are almost hopeless. I can't get my daughters husband to even consider making a budget, much less managing his money correctly. They are amazed that I can look down a receipt and add up all the totals on it in my head.

      Most of the hippies that I know at that time where inclined to learn. This generation doesn't seem to be inclined to do even that. They are not stupid, they just seem to be, I don't really know what to call it.

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    43. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ??? Should and can't are two different things. Whether you want to see someone naked is irrelevant. Look up "heckler's veto" about how personal pique is not a legal standard.

    44. Re:Sheltered by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not like this generation. Hippies, despite all the shit I give them, had enough basic life skills when they started out. When I came out of high school, at the age of 18, I knew how to create a budget, balance a checkbook, type, cook a basic meal, buy and maintain a car, look for, apply for, and get a job. Any many other basic skills.

      And then your generation voted to gut school funding and tie it to standardized tests that do not involve any "basic life skills". And you are apparently surprised by the results of your votes.

    45. Re:Sheltered by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      It's true; in my day, when I walked down the street naked at 2 am I consistently got a savage beatdown. Looking back, I'm honestly grateful to my assailants; how the heck else could I have learned?

      I didn't have that problem. When I walked down the street naked, people fled in terror, fainted, or threw up in the street.

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    46. Re: Sheltered by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Pointing out someone left him or herself wide open to trouble is what they call 'victim blaming.' Apparently helping people avoid being a victim is not cool anymore, which I'm sure you found out.

    47. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      critical thinking skills are what stops people from [...] falling for authoritarianism,

      unfortunately, the millenials are falling for authoritarianism under the guise of liberty. They're being told to "resist" against rule of law and democracy, and that authoritarianism crucial to communism is a necessary evil to crush the evils of capitalism and democracy.

    48. Re:Sheltered by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Not exactly surprised. I remember when we started down this path when I was first enrolling my kids in school. I looked over the curriculum and recall that I didn't see any of the stuff I had in school. I seem to recall teachers saying that the new stuff would lead to a generation not being prepared.

      Of course this didn't stop Bush Beta and his band of merry idiots from rubber stamping it. Then it got worse under Obama. Now we have a willy wonka escapee at the helm and I don't see anything getting better. I do think Trump is doing good job in some areas but the areas he is failing in he seems to be doing in style.

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    49. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole Federation was pretty much that way.

      Incorrect. Only certain worlds (Earth in particular) was described (keyword *described*, we have to take their word there) as a paradise. The Federation is a coalition (like a federation) of many worlds, each with their own quirks and level of development.

      One of the main topics TNG explores is how to resolve conflicts in this world where some people are (much) more developed than others. Interestingly, TNG's answer include the Prime Directive, which restricts how much interfering the enlightened people can do to "lesser" societies. Just because Earth is a paradise doesn't mean Picard and crew would go around making other planets and colonies into paradises too. This runs starkly in contrast to the stereotypical millennial mindset that all sorts of interference is justified to create paradise everywhere for everyone.

      The values and methods the TNG crew (exemplified by Picard) also different greatly from typical millennial values.

      Picard favors reasoned dialogue. Millennials call people they don't like racist/sexist/etc and shut them out of dialogue, try to get them banned/fired/deplatformed/etc.

      Picard favors innocence before proven guilty. Millennials prefer the opposite, "listen and believe" the accuser, which essentially means assuming guilt of the accused.

      Picard favors due process and seeking the truth (see: him blasting Wesley that one episode The First Duty). Millennials favor the court of public opinion, the truth be damned. Even if the courts cleared an accused person of wrongdoing, many millennials insist that person is still a scumbag somehow (e.g AFAIK no gamergater has been arrested let alone charged for all the accused death threats and harassment they did, but many millennials will insist that GGers are or support harassment and making death threats)

      Picard favors equal treatment. Millennials are very tribal, not unlike previous generations of humans. SJWs, anti-SJWs, feminists, MRAs, etc.

      Picard favors solving problems non-violently. Millennials support punching Nazis and violent antifa protests

      Picard (and much of the crew) is a cis white male (how dare he didn't find Q attractive!). Millennials get offended by cis white males.

    50. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to see you naked

      That's your problem, not mine.

      and it is illegal to do that.

      Yes, liberals use government force to make their problems be someone else's. Pray we laissez-faire voters never learn how to vote. When we do, you Democrats and Republicans won't be able to take your bullshit for granted anymore.

      That said, it's not like I'd walk around naked, even if legal. It might be your problem that you don't like seeing me naked, but how I feel without clothing is my problem. But if other people wanna walk around naked, that's their problem, so therefore it should be their decision to make. Just like I should have the option to wear clothing.

    51. Re:Sheltered by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, and those countries are in Europe.

    52. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just another part of what happens when parents wrap their precious snowflakes up in cotton wool and bubblewrap and only allow them to frequent "safe spaces" instead of letting them start to figure things out for themselves

      and then we blame the kids for it

    53. Re:Sheltered by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Kavanaugh is that you? Yeah I mean the expectation of living in a society without rapists thieves and creeps is horrible. It was totally her fault she got assaulted.

      oh to have mod points! funny or insightful?

    54. Re:Sheltered by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Where are my "insightful" mod points when i need them?

    55. Re:Sheltered by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Where trespassing is illegal.

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    56. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oookay, Socrates, calm down with your "Damn kids these days" rant. There were loads of people in your generation who couldn't budget, balance a checkbook, type, cook, maintain a car, etc.

      There are tons of Millennials who can do all of those things.

      Just because you met a couple of fuckups doesn't mean everyone under the age of 40 is a fuckup.

    57. Re:Sheltered by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      And yet.

    58. Re: Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s like the new mentality where the feminists on tv say things like âoe men should stop raping and killing womenâ. Like they can just think that then do nothing for their own safety. I would argue itâ(TM)s a much more dangerous world for men out there and thereâ(TM)s no way Iâ(TM)m walking down dark alleys at night just thinking men shouldnâ(TM)t hurt me. It beliefs belief.

    59. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the little bubble world they live in in college IS a "safe space." The worst personal injury that the coddled little brats have to worry themselves with is hearing the word "nîgger" yelled by some passing rednecks from a pickup truck. So many of them come from middle-to-upper-class families with nice homes and fancy granite and stainless steel kitchens. Oh, make no mistake, when I say they're wealthy, I mean some of these bratty college snots are "affluenza" grade wealthy.

      What these innocent little spoiled babies need is to be real-world assaulted, real-world mugged, rendered real-world homeless, or otherwise real-world harmed in some way a few times. They need a cold hard understanding of what actual strife in this world is like. Ever wonder why you see a metric ton less 30-somethings behind this social justice horseshit than 20-somethings? It's not because of generations, it's because once you need a real job and try to start a real family, you get to experience the harsh reality of having actual problems. This cycle tends to repeat with every generation since World War II and millennials are being picked on because they just happen to be the current "young people." We are living in an era of unprecedented comfort and simultaneous infantilization of adolescents and young adults. Is it really any wonder that we now have "adults" in college (some of which are old enough to drink alcohol legally) demanding that they be treated like they are little children? No. No the fuck it's not.

      Regardless of employers doing some things to accommodate the resulting mental damage from being a self-traumatized brat, they will face reality when hiring time comes. No one who wants to get a job done to make money for their mortgage and to feed their family likes these bratty little social justice warriors. They will eventually have to integrate or fuck off and be unemployed.

    60. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not you silly. I spent years in martial arts so that I should be able to walk down the street at 2am and have nothing happen to me.

      You are prey, and they are optimists.

    61. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or your "girlfriend" is too fat/ugly and undesirable to rape or even mug, and thus fears no advances, ever, day or night

      which is far more likely than "entire world has improved"

    62. Re:Sheltered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how powerful superstitions are in some people. Apparently your deity has imposed a taboo on looking at people in their natural state. How do you cope with seeing animals naked?

  8. In other shocking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water is wet.

  9. Of Course by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    The scammers are rarely the scammed.

  10. "Young adults heading off to college" by Kargan · · Score: 2

    ...are not millennials.

    They are Generation Z-ers.

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    1. Re:"Young adults heading off to college" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither are people aged 44.

      Journalists should give up on the fallacy of the "generation", and just say "old people" "young people" "middle aged people".

      Because that's what they mean. They mean young people. It's not because of their generation, it's because of their lack of years.
      The so-called "baby boomers" would have been just as gullible at the same age.

  11. Lack of critical thinking by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    no surprise, given how public schools these days do little besides indoctrinate kids in leftist ideology. Chairman Mao would feel right at home.

    1. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yeah, young people historically were always so wary and worldly-wise.

      dear god, is there nothing you won't turn into a cheap (and content-free) political jab?

    2. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no surprise, given how public schools these days do little besides indoctrinate kids in leftist ideology. Chairman Mao would feel right at home.

      Yea... and not to mention the fascist-right mentality where any people call the cops on a 12 year old out riding his bike by himself. Sheesh parents these days... AMIRITE?

    3. Re:Lack of critical thinking by jpaine619 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's absolutely right though.. There is indoctrination happening... When I was much younger, there was NOT this level of politics in school.. I couldn't tell you if a given teacher was a Democrat or a Republican or a fucking Communist because they didn't tell you, they didn't push an ideology... They taught you how to read, write, and do 'rythmatic..

      At best you could make an educated guess from how they dressed (business like or hippy) but that was about it..

      Now? Yeah, it's way different..

    4. Re:Lack of critical thinking by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, and seems kind of ridiculous but I don't have kids. What have yours experienced?

    5. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no surprise, given how public schools these days do little besides indoctrinate kids in leftist ideology. Chairman Mao would feel right at home.

      You think removing evolution from the education was a leftist idea?

      The schools indoctrinate alright, but it is hardly leftists that tries to limit the education to fit their agenda.

    6. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public schools don't teach ideology.
      They teach.

      I am sorry you disagree with the curriculum.

      Perhaps you should volunteer to be on the school board.

    7. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you been in the classroom? Most teachers I know want to teach and politics be damned (there are exceptions).

      Can you link relevant sources?

    8. Re:Lack of critical thinking by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      When I was at school there was plenty of indoctrination. Mainly religious, so I guess things have changed a little.

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    9. Re:Lack of critical thinking by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is that lack of critical think has absolutely nothing to do with left or right. There are plenty of excamples where the left does not think and people are indoctrinated. There are equally plenty of indoctrinated kids to the right.

      No only Chairman Mao would be proud, Adolf Hitler would be as well. Just as plenty other "leaders".

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    10. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Leftist ideology? Is that why bullshit like "creationism" is getting pushed into schoolbooks these days?

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    11. Re: Lack of critical thinking by Jahoda · · Score: 1

      If you think "chariman Mao" would be "envious" of "leftist indoctrination" in American public schools then you're a fucking idiot who clearly is a product of one.

    12. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      McCarthyism wants a word with you.

    13. Re:Lack of critical thinking by h4x0t · · Score: 1

      Where is this comment coming from?
      Wishing geometry was replaced with numerology?

    14. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, yeah, we should be teaching from the bible in public schools like they were back in your day.

    15. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems ridiculous because it is ridiculous. Dollars to donuts OP is a childless Ayn Rand acolyte who thinks teaching kids anything other than social darwinism is "indoctrination". The kind of person who thinks any attempts to make society better are unfair because predatory capitalists are just better than us. The type of person who thinks kindness is a disease and equates honesty with being an asshole. Someone who thinks any education that doesn't lead directly to workplace skills is a waste. The type who thinks arts and humanities are pointless.

    16. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the fuck is this modded "Insightful"?

    17. Re:Lack of critical thinking by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      What do conservatives think we should do about our socialized roads?

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  12. So not millenials..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just young people. Older people generally have more experience than younger, news at 11!

  13. Re:Explains Bernie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't deserve potable water. You didn't build that. It's socialism.

  14. Are you off your meds again? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    my kid's economics class was less economics and more like a cheer squad for Adam Smith. There was no discussion of socialism, Keynesian economics or anything else besides how supply and demand made the world great.

    You're right about Mao though. But he was a fascist, not a communist and certainly not a Democratic Socialist.

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    1. Re:Are you off your meds again? by jpaine619 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right about Mao though. But he was a fascist, not a communist and certainly not a Democratic Socialist.

      Fuck yeah! Haven't gotten to see the No-True-Scotsman fallacy in a long time. Thank you! (seriously).

      Mao said he was communist, he ran a communist country, his successors are communists.. But no.. he was a fascist, because you know better...

      Thanks man.. I really needed that laugh, for real.

    2. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mao said he was communist, he ran a communist country, his successors are communists.. But no.. he was a fascist, because you know better...

      Oh, of course. And how do you know that? you read it in a book once?

      Mao and the subsequent Chinese leadership declared themselves communists. That's the same as declaring themselves Jesus. Words. The reality is that Mao was a dictator, and China was similar to a medieval dictatorship for a long time. You know why? because communism is a freaking myth, a theoretical Utopia that is not stable in practice and always devolves into dictatorship. But hey, it's just a word, right? He said Fascism, you said Communism, words cage fight. 'S all good as long as you can feel superior, right? goddamn millennials (/s for the sarcasm impaired)

    3. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't seen the Fallacy fallacy in, oh, about 5 minutes. Thanks (not).

      I agree with you that the "Mao was a fascist" thing is stupid, but you certainly don't disprove it. Firstly, claiming a thing is different to being a thing. All governments claim to be something they are not, usually to obscure what they really are. I mean, North Korea claims to be democratic. Are they?

      Worse for your argument: neither China nor the USSR actually claimed to be communist states. The claim was always that by implementing socialist policy they are working towards communism (China is currently aiming for communism by the middle of this century, but I wouldn't hold my breath). The point is that it's a national aspiration not a statement of current status. But that's already a bit subtle for you if you don't understand the distinction between socialism and communism, so I won't even touch how an authoritarian claim to be introducing socialism is an obviously false claim or how China being imperialist negates their claim to be working towards communism.

    4. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only true communists can be found at western university campuses on the faculty protected by tenure. Just waiting for that scientifically inevitable revolution so they can spring into action (after healing their paper cuts of course) and save the workers from their plight. The would never dare go down the path of Bolshevism, Stalinism, Maoism... no no, they were evil fascist dictators who hoodwinked the workers. North Korea = bad! China != communism (tainted with capitalist corruption). Venezuela = mistakes. Cuba = perfection on earth only hindered by the evil American empire. Continued ad nausem.

    5. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to be fair, North Korea calls itself a democratic people's republic. In politics, what you call yourself isn't necessarily what you are.

    6. Re:Are you off your meds again? by houghi · · Score: 1

      North Korea, officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has the same isssue where people do not believe that they are a democracy.

      Also: the political spectrum is not a line.

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    7. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're jaded and yet you cannot determine if a totalitarian leader of a country lies?

      Also: what prevents a leader from being a fascist whether their country started as communist, representative democracy, or monarchy?

      captcha: contrite

    8. Re:Are you off your meds again? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Well, its not like there is much difference between communists and fascists. They both think that individual liberty must be sacrificed for the good of the collective. The only difference really is how they define the collective.

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    9. Re: Are you off your meds again? by Brujis · · Score: 1

      They had removed private control of the means of production and as such were, by definition, Socialist. My great grandparents were murdered by those German Socialist assholes so I know how evil Socialism is. Now go take your 'no true Scotsman fallacy' and shove it where the some doesn't shine.

    10. Re:Are you off your meds again? by nagora · · Score: 1

      You're right about Mao though. But he was a fascist, not a communist and certainly not a Democratic Socialist.

      Fuck yeah! Haven't gotten to see the No-True-Scotsman fallacy in a long time. Thank you! (seriously).

      Mao said he was communist, he ran a communist country, his successors are communists.. But no.. he was a fascist, because you know better...

      Well, yes. Mao could say anything he wanted to because he was a fascist dictator.

      If someone who had never been to Scotland, while living in Germany descended from Indian parents called themselves a Scotsman I'd probably say they were wrong too.

      But, hey, you know better, Humpty.

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    11. Re:Are you off your meds again? by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      If someone who had never been to Scotland, while living in Germany descended from Indian parents called themselves a Scotsman I'd probably say they were wrong too.

      If someone can declare themselves to be a woman, while in possession of X and Y chromosomes, then an Indian living in Germany can call himself a Scotsman.

      To any liberals reading this: Yes... This is how dumb your gender argument sounds.

  15. Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no surprise, given how public schools these days do little besides indoctrinate kids in leftist ideology.

    Well that would be a HUGE surprise, given that it is people who have been indoctrinated with right-wing ideology who actually make up the bulk of scam victims. Weird.

    1. Re:Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scammer at work here folks...

    2. Re:Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scammer at work here folks...

      Thanks for the warning, we'll keep out of your way.

  16. Re: The ascii porn writes itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See? Look what happens. Let this be a reminder, pay more attention to the micropenises in your life. Without the care they need their lives just devolve into obsessing about teenage boys and over-thought outbursts that might have been funny or edgy in 1995 but are now juat kinda sad. Do your part.

  17. Like 2007? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So like 2007, where you take failed property investments, print a shedload of money and give it to rich people for those failed investments as though they were successful investments?

    Or like 2017, where you print 10% extra GDP and give it to rich people in the hopes they'll spread some of it to the rest of the country? In effect taking the underlying value from everyone else.

    And not like most developed countries in the world, that give free university education to citizens because that leads to a smarter population more able to compete in the world?

    Wow one of you does sound craaaazzzzyyy.

  18. WTF?!?!? by sootman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously? Comparing millennials (born mid-80s to early-90s, currently around 20-30 years old) to boomers (born mid-40s to ~1960, currently in their 60s and 70s)? They're more likely to fall for scams BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNGER AND HAVE LESS EXPERIENCE. There may be more vectors for them to be scammed these days, but I don't think they're any more or less gullible than boomers were *at that same age*.

    Also, didn't slashdot used to warn us about (or better yet, not link to) sites with autoplaying video?

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    1. Re:WTF?!?!? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      ... boomers (born mid-40s to ~1960, currently in their 60s and 70s) ...

      Growing up as a Boomer, we were taught that it ran from 1946 to 1964. The peak year for births in the baby boom was 1961, with second place going to 1960.

      I notice that Wikipedia redefines it using births per 1000, which seems a bit problematic when you’re introducing a large number of babies during a relatively short time - so the population is skewing younger fairly rapidly over the hat period.

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    2. Re:WTF?!?!? by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. A smart 13 year old can spot a scam. The problem is not age but upbringing.

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    3. Re:WTF?!?!? by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      And a smart person with a bad upbringing will learn to not get scammed because of life.

      So for any birth year, the number of people from that birth year that are easy targets declines every year.

      Or are saying that every Boomer has an excellent upbringing and none learned from life?

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    4. Re:WTF?!?!? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      This is a generation that thinks that going out of their way to declare to all their virtue sounds forthright. The last thing it sounds like is forthright to me, and I'm squarely gen-X. It sounds like bullshit. It sounds like they are selling something... peddling a story... spinning yarn my grandparents would have said.

      But the fact is that THEY DO think that it sounds forthright and that I DO NOT think so. This divergence is the fault of the federalization of the education system in 1979. The beginning of the marginalization of parental control over the education of their children. Theres a pile of federal dollars on the table. Whats a schoolboard to do.

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    5. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mid-80's to early 90's is like 7 years, way too short a span for a generation. The actual span is 1981-1996.

      The kids heading off to college now are not millennials for the most part.

    6. Re:WTF?!?!? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. A smart 13 year old can spot a scam. The problem is not age but upbringing.

      No, smart has nothing to do with it. An experienced person regardless of age can spot a scam. But you're absolutely right, it's all the Boomer's fault :-)

    7. Re:WTF?!?!? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I tend to think of a "bad upbringing" in this context as one that does not prepare you for life. Of course other forms of "bad" are possible in other contexts.

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    8. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, the title should say "Young people more likely to fall for scams than old people". But then a story with that title would never make it to front page.

    9. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Comparing millennials (born mid-80s to early-90s, currently around 20-30 years old) to boomers (born mid-40s to ~1960, currently in their 60s and 70s)? They're more likely to fall for scams BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNGER AND HAVE LESS EXPERIENCE.

      Speaking as someone who has a mother in her late 70's ... just older than the Boomers because she was born pre-WWII ... when my parents got their first computer about 10 years ago or so, I sat them down and tried to explain just how paranoid they needed to be. Not just with the internet, but phone calls, and door to door people.

      The problem these days is the literal level of paranoia and distrust you need to have to navigate these things and not get scammed would have been a clinical disorder only just 25 years ago.

      My coaching has served my mother well, but I'm not sure that it's natural for most people to assume everyone who calls them, emails them, or comes to their door is a lying asshole until proven otherwise.

      The sad reality is, more often that not these days, those people are lying assholes ... I'd say easily 95% of all my incoming calls are fraudulent, and I've pretty much concluded that 100% of door to door salespeople are also cons, or at least very shady and not to be trusted.

      Honestly, while they're teaching "stranger danger" or whatever in school, they should be teaching kids to be looking out for themselves and they can't go around like some rube fresh off the turnip wagon.

    10. Re:WTF?!?!? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Comparing millennials (born mid-80s to early-90s, currently around 20-30 years old) to boomers (born mid-40s to ~1960, currently in their 60s and 70s)? They're more likely to fall for scams BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNGER AND HAVE LESS EXPERIENCE. There may be more vectors for them to be scammed these days, but I don't think they're any more or less gullible than boomers were *at that same age*.

      Also, didn't slashdot used to warn us about (or better yet, not link to) sites with autoplaying video?

      It's actually interesting because the current cultural idea is that it's mainly the oldsters falling for scams, and that the youngsters are so much more sophisticated, etc.

    11. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, Betsy, whatever you say.

    12. Re:WTF?!?!? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I did too.

      I didn't mean because they'll go to the shoot of hard knocks.

      My point was simply that a smart 13 year old can be taught avoid scams, but no matter the upbringing, by 60, that skill will exist.

      Young people need to rely on their upbringing to avoid scams, old people don't. So the older cohort will always have an edge.

      Without being able to check the scam success rate on today's 60 year olds in the 70s, we'll never be able to compare. We could track today's youth though and try to quantity how scammability shifts with age.

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    13. Re:WTF?!?!? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      The article also starts Millennials at 1973, resulting in an even more lopsided grouping of people.....and apparent GenX doesn't exist again.

    14. Re:WTF?!?!? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I see what you mean.

      Although there is a large scam wave here in Europe that specifically targets retired people. So I am not sure about that life-experience necessarily accumulating simply by existing. Could also be that those over 65 or so just do not have enough experience with the Internet.

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    15. Re:WTF?!?!? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I bet different scams work better on different people.

      What I'd like to see, is now that we have a (presumably) good study that represent today's youth and older people, it'd be cool to do a follow up every decade and see if the numbers change, also see if people's susceptibility to type (new vs old tech) change with age (as in old tech hits youth more, but new tech hits elderly).

      Presumably it would be money well spent even since the results could be used to improve training and PSA style spending, and reduce total fraud with less spending.

      We picture the elderly as the primary targets and victims (we being you (based on your comment) and I), but maybe that's simply prejudice. Maybe the reality is that Youth are actually the ones primarily being victimized AND that educating them better will by virtue lead to a better educated elderly population in the long run. Campaign to educate the elderly could actually be wasted money with minimal impact.

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    16. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been shown in studies that younger people pick up on facial social cues of a scammer than older people. Maybe the latest generation hasn't had enough face time to pick up on cues previous generations could get.

    17. Re:WTF?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Let's compare generations - we're "more likely to fall for scammers," whereas boomers just sleazed around in a cesspools of fornication and drugs and then in the 80s, the AIDs hit... surprise, motherfuckers. There is also a hell of a lot of problems, which we're inheriting - soil in lead, before unleaded; multiple oil catastrophes; Chernobyl and Fukushima; weekly data breaches; bi-weekly Trojans/ransomware/malware.

      If we're comparing just generation ecospheres, the older generation had less people, less man-made disasters, and less non-stop wars. When was the last time the USA didn't have troops deployed like today, pre-WW2?

      I don't know who is to blame (oh, yeah - capitalism and other socioeconomic structures), but I do blame previous generations for not instilling better judgment in their offspring.

    18. Re:WTF?!?!? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree that it would be nice to have some hard data here from a long-term study.

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    19. Re:WTF?!?!? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      It's actually interesting because the current cultural idea is that it's mainly the oldsters falling for scams, and that the youngsters are so much more sophisticated, etc.

      I think the kind of scam oldster and youngsters fall into are different.
      Oldsters are more likely to respond to things like price gouging. Sell them a TV for $1000 when it is worth $100. Scammers play on the fact that the old people are tired, have a hard time thinking clearly, and just let go.
      Youngsters are more likely to fall for classic scams. The basis of classic scams is to let the victims feel like they are in charge. They play on their ambitions, lack of experience, and dishonesty.

  19. Shouldn't be an issue by reiterate · · Score: 2

    We don't have any money anyway

  20. I've generally heard that in Japan by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    you could send your daughter down the street naked with a ¥10,000 yen bill taped to her and expect her to be fine. Jokes aside the reason they have so many vending machines is they don't have much vandalism. Europe's generally a lot better than the US in that regard. And people crack jokes about how nice and polite Canada is.

    I guess what I'm saying is that the US seems to have a reputation for being a nasty place. That said, crime's been dropping non-stop for decades. What hasn't been dropping is politicians using "tough on crime" rhetoric to get elected while screwing their constituents...

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    1. Re:I've generally heard that in Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess what I'm saying is that the US seems to have a reputation for being a nasty place. That said, crime's been dropping non-stop for decades.

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      Of course you may not survive. And given the typical stupidity of your comments, I'd call that a win for Slashdot readers.

    2. Re:I've generally heard that in Japan by mentil · · Score: 1

      Even if crime's dropping, that doesn't mean there are fewer assholes. Furthermore, an easy way to get crime to seem to drop is to discourage reporting, e.g. "don't bother reporting if your smartphone was stolen". Distrust of police also leads to fewer police reports.

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    3. Re:I've generally heard that in Japan by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I've lived in West Philly, and I love in Wilmington Delaware now.

      Crime in Philly has indeed dropped, Wilmington I wouldn't necessarily bet on for the last decade anyway.

      Just my feelings in the rougher spots though, don't have real stats.

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  21. Maybe it helps that they didn't get send off by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    to 3 or 4 pointless wars. We've got a lot more wars going on now but we're doing it with less soldiers and mostly with career army. Actually, it's kind of scary. A few folks have pointed out that we've more or less got a hereditary military class....

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  22. True, but most kids only take Econ 101 by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    I was a little shocked things hadn't changed in the slightest. It's frustrating that there is zero discussion of the downsides or necessary controls for capitalism. It really was just a rah-rah-rah sis-boom-bah.

    There are several things capitalism just doesn't work for. Paying for Healthcare being the biggie, but managing the food supply is another (given you're econ degree I'm guessing you have more than an inkling about how heavily our gov't is involved in ensuring a steady food supply). Capitalism works best for things where the consumer has lots of information, can understand that information and where it's not a matter of life and death. Twinkies, computers, cars, etc, etc.

    A hybrid approach is fine (single payer works better than gov't run hospitals) but the current model is just plain broken. I think it's safe to say the Millenials have figured that out, but not what to do about it.

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    1. Re:True, but most kids only take Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You can check that hippie bullshit. Do you know why we USED to have great health care insurance with most jobs? It was a workaround. After WWII there was a shortage of labor to restart and rebuild. Health care was a way to attract labor with more compensation all tax free. Now hippies, millennials, and crazy leftists want open the floodgates which brings in all that low cost labor driving down wages and compensation.

      Business isn't going to give you anything if Pablo or Punjab will do it for less. Globalism has fucked the country and when Trump tries to dial it back so we can take time to absorb the enormous glut of humanity lining up to gobble at the trough, bleeding hearts scream and beat their chests proclaiming we should be open to all. Then the millennials whine that their piece of the pie is smaller than their forebears. Of course it is. You want to hand it all over to others that you think deserve it more than you.

    2. Re:True, but most kids only take Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There are several things capitalism just doesn't work for. Paying for Healthcare being the biggie, but managing the food supply is another (given you're econ degree I'm guessing you have more than an inkling about how heavily our gov't is involved in ensuring a steady food supply). Capitalism works best for things where the consumer has lots of information, can understand that information and where it's not a matter of life and death. Twinkies, computers, cars, etc, etc. "

      Capitalism works just fine for health care (for those who can reasonably afford it).
      It fails for those who can't afford it.
      I grew up in Canada's system. It works. It's not perfect, but it's far cheaper (pay the doctors, not the billing system and a bazillion middle men)
      and it's free for those using it.

      Taxes sucked a bit, but they weren't that bad compared to here now that I'm in the US. Compareable.

    3. Re: True, but most kids only take Econ 101 by Brujis · · Score: 1

      Canada is an example of the failure of public medical. It has crappy service, long wait times and is absolutely pathetic. I live in NZ and here I have private medical insurance that costs less than 1/23rd as much as the portion of my taxes that go to the public system. My private medical covers everything that the public system does and more (dental, non-subsidised teatments and medication, private rooms, higher standard of care etc etc etc) and is cheaper because there is nothing that can be done that can't be done worse by government. This holds true for every single country that has private insurance and public systems. As to America being expensive that is the teens of thousands of pages of regulations placed upon n the industry, like the one that restricts the number of new doctors (not based upon qualifications but just the number), that prevent interstate sales, that prevent direct bargaining etc etc etc.

  23. Since it's not mentioned in the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the included "research" is an infographic with very little data, here's a link to the referenced BBB report from 2016:

    https://bbbprograms.org/siteassets/documents/misc/cracking-the-invulnerabilty-illusion.pdf

  24. Gen-X wins by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I've protected myself in a thick scratchy blanket of cynicism.

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  25. Debt should be an issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millenials have loose credit standards for scammers to steal. Loan debt is a s good as money when somebody else is on the hook.

    1. Re:Debt should be an issue by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, while true in theory, just TRY to lend a dollar as a millennial without a dollar to your name.

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  26. Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the school of hard knocks teaches life skills? Wow!

    When Baby Boomers were young, they were stupid too.

    1. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      When Baby Boomers were young, they were stupid too.

      .

      Boomers weren't even close to as childish as millennials are.

      An important point you're missing is that the "level of stupidity" for a given age range has increased dramatically. I'm a boomer and we never asked for safe spaces when we were young. We had a lot more sense than to even think that such an absurd thing was possible. Back then, you knew you had to create your own safe space. If people picked on you, you had to kick their balls hard enough to leave them gasping in a ball on the floor. After that they never bothered you again. And that is an example of how things work in the REAL world, which is not the nonexistent world millennials seem to believe exists.

      Millennials are a bunch of pussies. Boomers were and are a lot tougher and a lot more street-smart. I was there and I know what I am talking about, and you're full of shit if you are trying to claim that boomers were just as clueless as millennials are during the same age range. Millennials have been brought up in environments which were overly protective, and that produces people who are weak and lacking in understanding of how the world works.

      And these misguided idiots are now running around acting like the world owes them something. I have news for them all : the world doesn't owe them a fucking thing, just as the world doesn't owe ANYONE else anything either. The parents of millennials did a piss-poor job of preparing their offspring for the real world, and idiots who run around demanding "safe spaces" are what results. What these millennials need is a year in the Peace Corps in a shithole third world country. After that they will come back and be grateful for things they now take for granted, like water that is safe to drink. And they will almost certainly leave their sense of entitlement behind, because they will know in their bones how utterly absurd it was and they will be ashamed they ever embraced such childish unrealistic notions.

    2. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by MrMr · · Score: 1

      I think this happened on a much larger scale than just for the last generation. I've noticed that I'm way 'younger' in many ways than my parents were at the same age, and they were nowhere near as 'old' as my grandparents were at my current age. I guess the trend could be caused by the decline of life-threathening problems you encouter in your life-time.

    3. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An important point you're missing is that the "level of stupidity" for a given age range has increased dramatically.

      Yes yes yes. Darn kids these days. We'll get off your lawn soon enough, gramps.

      I'm a boomer and we never asked for safe spaces when we were young

      Nope. You guys had hippies, who demanded safe spaces from being drafted to fight for your country, and not be criticized for their drug and sex filled lifestyle.

      It took some tough love at Kent State to set you guys straight. Somehow I don't think the Millenials will need such drastic action, what with the return/rise of conservatism already happening.

      Back then, you knew you had to create your own safe space. If people picked on you, you had to kick their balls hard enough to leave them gasping in a ball on the floor.

      Nah. As above, you guys had hippies and anti-war movement, who were totally scared of having to fight. When people picked on them, they responded with flower power and doing drugs to escape.

      You guys *tried* to take over college campus at Kent State, but as you guys weren't as strong as you claim you were, the men with guns smacked you down.

      The surviving Boomers got scared (plus a lot of them and their heroes OD'ed from all that drug usage), so they by and large became cowardly obedient little drones, and built both the bloated Big Government and corrupt Big Business we have to deal with today.

      Meanwhile, millenials today have recorded instances of not being above violence (antifa, Bernie supporter shot at Republican politicians, Charlottesville, etc)

      Millennials have been brought up in environments which were overly protective, and that produces people who are weak and lacking in understanding of how the world works.

      The parents of millennials did a piss-poor job

      Well, "the parents of millennials" are your kids... if not YOU yourself.

      So your entire rant is basically trying to blame the kids for your failure of raising them right.

      I'll grant you that at least you didn't rail about their lack of personal responsibility, as that would be hypocritically hilarious.

    4. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did someone hurt your feelings, snowflake?

      Perhaps it is because you and your entire generation knows you are inferior to the point of uselessness when compared to the Greatest Generation.

    5. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      Millennials have been brought up in environments which were overly protective, and that produces people who are weak and lacking in understanding of how the world works.

      Psssst.....you made that environment. You were the adults, they were the kids. Participation trophies? You were the parents creating them and handing them out.

      So time to actually take responsibility for the world you created and help us clean it up....oh wait, your'e a Boomer. We'll have to clean it up after you die because you can't take responsibility for anything your generation does.

    6. Re:Older is wiser? I'm shocked! by j-beda · · Score: 1

      burn!

  27. The thing that hath been by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    “The thing that hath been,
    it is that which shall be;
    and that which is done is that which shall be done:
    and there is no new thing under the sun.”

    This is the same crowd (35-45) that fell for "Sign up for a credit card, get this free T-Shirt" during the first days of college.

    Some people weren't taught how credit works. I graduated in 2006, sometime before I graduated the campus rules changed and suddenly all the credit card companies were gone. I knew people with 5 T-shirts through 5 different creditcard companies. "It's free, who cares".

    The same people that buy micro-transactions to play a "free" game.

    1. Re:The thing that hath been by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's more entertaining to watch, people who use one credit card to pay off another, or those that think that "paying" with your credit card is free money because you already paid with the credit card and that's it, no need to pay that off.

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    2. Re:The thing that hath been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, I remember distinctly from my freshmen year of college waaay back in the ancient year of 1986 that college students were warned not to sign up for all those credit cards because those were scams.

      Truly, there is nothing new under the sun.

      Me thinks the Millennial fall for more scams because more scams are aimed at Millennial. Q.E.D. / Occam's Razor.

    3. Re:The thing that hath been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Millennials are all just a bunch of morons. Get lost.

    4. Re: The thing that hath been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      caynt feeyix styoopid.

    5. Re: The thing that hath been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what i've seen sometimes it's true, they'll do that for a few years then declare a Trumprupcy and start all over.

    6. Re: The thing that hath been by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with you but I think reward points are an even better scam.

      Sure I will give you $0.005 on the dollar and let you reward yourself with spending money.

      So when credit card company took the full amount out of checking instead of that months payment, I took the chance cashed in all my reward points, and dropped the card. Switched it to a cash back without a program (a fixed rate) canceled my secondary card, and am in a much better option.

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    7. Re:The thing that hath been by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      No.people are all just a bunch of morons. Get lost.

      ftfa

    8. Re: The thing that hath been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting, but it sounds like you're saying that paying the full balance on a credit card is a bad thing.

    9. Re: The thing that hath been by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      https://www.reddit.com/r/churn...

      People do this near professionally. Sign up for $500 if you spend $1k in 90 days. Use that $1k with 0% transfer to pay off another card that you did the same thing with. Rinse. Repeat.

  28. Sounds Legit by AdamStarks · · Score: 1

    I buy it

  29. Like solar lease with Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fell for it.

  30. Gee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's almost as if old people somehow have more wisdom and experience than young people. How on Earth could that be the case?

  31. Shock news: young people less cynical than old by nagora · · Score: 0

    Why do you think so many politicians want to lower the voting age to 16? It's not because they value the insight the new voters would bring, that's for sure.

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  32. Millenials- AMIRITE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >The Better Business Bureau reports that 69 percent of scam victims are under the age of 45.

    I love how the definition of Millenial seems to keep expanding. Now it's apparently everybody under the age of 45.

    Anyways, That age group is actually composed of 3 generations- Gen X, Gen Y (millenials) and Gen Z.

    Also, most people going to college over the past few years have been Gen-Z, NOT Millenials.

    One more thing- is Slashdot being brigaded by right-wing trolls or something? Sure is a lot of "Chairman Mao"/Communism/Libreral Agenda BS up in here. Isn't the Washington Examiner a right-wing newspaper? Is anybody actually going to evaluate this paper, or are we all going to just take it as true because "millenials amirite"?

    1. Re:Millenials- AMIRITE by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Slashdot, like the rest of the world, is moving towards extremes. With the moderates and other sane people pretty much playing the role of the UN soldiers in the Gaza strip and getting shelled by both sides for being "for the enemy".

      Sooner or later the sane ones simply withdraw, fed up with the whole bullshit, and what's left is two extremes. Who of course claim that the world is overrun by the respective other extreme because they drank so much of their own kool-aid that they think their position is the normal one.

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    2. Re:Millenials- AMIRITE by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Yes, the sane ones will withdraw to GALTS GULCH ;)
      (ducks)

  33. Re:Comes from over-protective parents and society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have it surrounded. Adults don't magically appear at 18. You are only a child until puberty starts. By 16 you are a sexually mature young adult and should be treated as such. The problem is that different people are on different clocks at different pacing. The brain doesn't fully mature until the mid 20s. Stop treating people over 14 as children and stop treating 18 year olds as fully adult. Let them make mistakes and learn. America's laws are down right ancient and puritanical in this regard. Europe is a bit more relaxed, but still uses "think of the children" arguments all the time. /rant from and old fart

  34. Well it's over for democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I vote Trump as supreme overlord of the Earth. Can't trust the "We're wobbling the earth to death. #imwithher #shewon" llamas.

  35. Re:Comes from over-protective parents and society by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Fully agree on that.

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  36. Young adults heading off to college... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

    Well of course they are gullible. How else would for-profit colleges and Betsy Davros' evil plans work if they weren't?

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  37. The problem starts with the parents by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Without fail, when I meet such a special snowflake millennial (they're not all like that, by far not, mind you), you will soon after meet their helicopter parents. Who keep these kids under a cheese cover 'til they're 18, and usually much longer than that, keeping reality away from them while reinforcing their belief that they are god's gift to the world.

    What else do you expect to come out of that as soon as these completely unprepared people are dropped into reality?

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  38. Many fell for a scam before they went to Uni by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Many fell for a scam before they went. Taking a loan to get a degree in some subject that won't add in any way to either their earnings potential or enjoyment of their work.

  39. Re:"Educated" by liberals. Whos shocked? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Well, on the other hand you have the dimwit old farts that never got out of the US, never saw what a hellhole their country actually is (unless you're rich and able to buy your way out of the dump) but still consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    There's dumb fucks on both ends of the age spectrum.

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  40. Raised from birth by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    To think we're special and that we'll get ours eventually without putting in half the work our parents did. It's not a wonder that when "Too good to be true" things come our way that most tend to jump on them.

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    1. Re:Raised from birth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To think we're special and that we'll get ours eventually without putting in half the work our parents did. It's not a wonder that when "Too good to be true" things come our way that most tend to jump on them.

      Cannot tell if you are talking about the Boomers or the Millenials.

  41. 40-year-olds being "vulnerable"... by v1 · · Score: 1

    The article talks about people under 45 being "vulnerable". Sorry, if you're in your 30s-40s (or even really mid 20s) and are still "vulnerable" to scams, your parents have failed spectacularly in preparing you for life in the real world. Perhaps it's just a form of natural selection at work. Parents that fail to educate their kids deseve a little penalty to their gene pool.

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  42. This just in.... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    People are stupid. Film at 11

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  43. Population Statistics? by eagle52997 · · Score: 2

    I find these claims spurious. One need only look at population statistics to see that in 2010 the percentage of the population that was under age 45 was about 66%. https://www.census.gov/prod/ce... Since the boomers have been dying off, that has more than likely approached the 69% figure in the paper over the past 8 years. Nowhere in the article do they reference the current population distribution. So 69% of the population is under 45 and 69% of scam victims are under 45. To me that says you can't use age as a predictor for who is likely to fall for scams.

  44. I don't see that by Revek · · Score: 1

    I have had no less then a dozen calls in the last month from boomers who let someone access their desktop and locked it demanding money to unlock it. I arrived at one location where the scam was still ongoing. I promptly unplugged the ethernet on the computer and when the guy on the other end said I lost connection the lady made me reconnect and wouldn't listen to my explanation that she was going to get ripped off. I left and two days later she calls in to complain that her computer needed a password and they wanted four hundred bucks to give it to her. Since we sell them internet they think we are responsible. We get calls from our older phone customers complaining about all the scam calls they get everyday but the insist on answering and talking to them. So no I don't believe that millennial's are less savvy than boomers.

  45. You know people can lie right? by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    that Lionel Hutz is not, in fact, a lawyer?

    Mao said he was a communist but did not run a communist country. He took complete control and ownership of all property in the country. That's the opposite of communism; where the proles are meant to have ownership and control via a Democratic process.

    This was the cause of most of the deaths. Mao insisted they double plant, everybody knew that was a horrifying idea but couldn't override Mao because rather than being a communist country it was a fascist dictatorship. The double planting lead to a horrifically bad harvest and mass starvation. There are other examples of how bad Mao's economic ideas were. Everybody knew they were terrible too, but they were too frightened of Mao to say anything (or if they did they disappeared).

    Bottom line: Words have meaning and can be misused for propaganda purposes. To suggest otherwise in the face of such obvious evidence is ignorant at best and dishonest propaganda at worst.

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    1. Re:You know people can lie right? by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Mao said he was a communist but did not run a communist country. He took complete control and ownership of all property in the country. That's the opposite of communism; where the proles are meant to have ownership and control via a Democratic process.

      Okay.. Communists take control of private property.. 100% of communist countries have done that. (Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Yugoslavia, etc..)

      Fascists don't... (German, Italy, Spain).

      It doesn't matter what the theory is, it matters what the application is.

      Both ideologies have centralized planning to a degree, but the implementation is vastly different.

    2. Re:You know people can lie right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rather than being a communist country it was a fascist dictatorship.

      You mean, like every other communist country in history?

      Protip: If you suspect reality has it all wrong, you might want to reconsider.

  46. Percentages can mislead by kubajz · · Score: 1

    69% of victims are under 45? Just wait for my research that shows the amazing blessings of high age in avoiding email scams - less than 1% of victims are over 90!

  47. ...and what about... by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    What about when Baby Boomers were the age of current Millennials? I know I fell for a credit related scam when I was in college 20+ years ago. Did credit cards even exist when Baby Boomers were that age?

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    1. Re:...and what about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Did credit cards even exist when Baby Boomers were that age?

      Yes.

      Of course they were made of stone rather than plastic

      Signed, A Boomer

  48. More like to fall for the same scam? by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    This article links to an info graphic.
    The info graphic just says that '69% of victims are under 45'. 58% of people in the US are under 45, so one could construe this to mean that millennials are gullible, but that is a stretch. 'Millennials' are a subset of people under 45. Babies are under 45 and they are gullible as fuck. No attempt was made to assess how many scams are encountered, nor the rate at which they are rebuffed, let alone any attempt to show some kind of apples to apples scam comparison.

  49. They believe in socialism so duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course they fall for scams. They can't think for themselves, instead can only google it.

  50. No sure this is true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baby Boomers are far more likely to vote Republican.

    1. Re:No sure this is true. by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      You will too when you grow up and start paying real taxes.

  51. US Millenials Political Scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And US Millennials consistently fall for false ideologies of Socialism. Morons.

  52. Re:Gen-X is sucks. It really is the worst generati by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    Like Millennials, we did our activism when we were younger.

    The fact that you don't know about it kinda indicates the power dynamic of a much smaller generation versus two larger generations.

  53. Summary contradicts itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary claims the article shows Millennials are more likely to fall for scams. But the summary also claims this may be because Millennials are going off to college and unsupervised for the first time.

    This seems highly unlikely since the youngest Millennials are now at least 23 years old. The older ones are closer to 40 than 30. Most Millennials are not at least 30 years old and the researches think they're just now heading out to college and have money for the first time? Do the researches even know what a Millennial is?

  54. People going out in the world are more vulnerable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People going out in the world are more vulnerable, they're not stupid. The scams old people are falling for are because they're stupid or greedy. Old people aren't looking for apartments in new cities, cheap deals on furniture, or side jobs while they study. And those are all things that are really easy to be scammed on when you're desperate or not experienced.

  55. Re: Gen-X is sucks. It really is the worst generat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gen X is paying all the taxes for the 61 yr old âoeretiredâ baby boomers and the unemployed, backpacking millennial. Show some respect for your benefactors!

  56. Millenials are Gullible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a fact. They're stupid. All of them.

  57. I don't fall for con artists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't blame me. I didn't fall for Trump's SCAMpaign.

    Oh, and let's not forget what happened this weekend:
    Trump: "In less than two years my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country"
    The Rest of the World: "LOLZ!! Go the fuck away, you stupid shitgibbon!!"

    What a fucking embarrassment - on the world stage, no less.

  58. new voters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids going off to college will be voting for the first time. Are you really sure it was a good idea to lower the voting age?

    1. Re:new voters by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      How many 18-year olds voted for Trump?

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  59. "Millenials" aren't in college anymore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FFS, the article and internet at large continues to use this crappy buzzword for anyone under the age of 45, when 1) the whole generation thing is fuzzy because people consider ti 1980-2000 (or 1980-1995 or 1985-1995 or...) and 2) the "Generation" age that most would consider that buzzword are out of college or at the finishing stages of college.

    I really wish the internet would stop using this buzzword as a punching bag for things that children born in 2000+ are falling to/doing.

  60. We needed a study, for this? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    The 20-40 somethings I run into can't keep their heads out of their phones for 30 seconds. Heck, you go into a convenience store, fast food restaurant, or multiple other businesses when it isn't super busy, you have to wait for them to put down the phone, before they will wait on you. Not only that, a LOT of them I run into on a high school or college campus, can't speak in clear English, without contractions, or slang. I won't even get into asking them questions about math, history and the like, or writing something in cursive to see if they can read it.

  61. It's the Washington Examiner, dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously, the real report is simply "69% of victims are under 45" but you need to remember that you're reading the Washington Examiner. Their entire reason for existing is to spin things a certain way because they want you to behavior (and vote!) a certain way. Framing it as millennials vs boomers is best, because young people are assumed to vote Democrat and old people are assumed to vote Republican (let's not get into why these assumptions exist). And it's important to show that old people are better and wiser, because the Washington Examiner is an arm of Republican marketing.

    The idea they want to plant is this: If someone is Democrat, then they're one of those people who fall for scams.

    (Yes, they're doing this even in 2018, despite the fact that one of the biggest scams in American history happened two years ago, ironically in direct contrast to the message. But that's the strategy du jour: when you fuck up, it means you should double down and over-commit to fucking up even harder.)

    Gen X doesn't count because there doesn't seem to be a consensus on how they vote (and probably for good reasons), so it's better to gloss over people of that age. Gen X doesn't help to drive a wedge on this particular issue, so it's best to just not bring them up.

    Slashdot just copied the propaganda not out of malice, but simple incompetence or obliviousness. It's not like the editors here actually try.

  62. Nobody cares who is the worst or best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gen-X is a small cohort, so there isn't much we can do. Also we'd rather make popcorn and watch the world burn.

  63. "Should" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I should be able to walk down the street naked and have nothing happen to me"

    This sentence is a great example of the flexibility of the word "should." That word really does mean two different things. In one usage, the statement is sane and rational. In another usage, it's obviously stupid.

    Really, I'm sincerely impressed with the excellence of the example. It's a perfectly ambiguous splitter.

    But you should be advised that your usage of it (and obviously in a context where the sentence is meant to be perceived as stupid), reveals that you don't see the word as ambiguous, and that you're pretty committed to just one usage of the word being the usage of the word. I see you.

    I would write it as "I predict that if I walk down the street naked, nothing will happen to me" if I wanted to cast the speaker as unreasonable.

    Or I would write it as "People should be able to walk down the street naked without the current concerns of something happening to them" if I wanted to cast the speaker as reasonable.

    Another reveal:

    if I had said "I should be able to walk anywhere at 2AM covered in bling and not be hurt" my dad would have pcalled me an idiot]

    Sorry to hear you happen to live in a shithole. In most places, you simply literally can do that, without negative consequences being particularly probable (or at least not much moreso than at 2PM). I really can walk around my town at 2AM just fine without fear, but obviously it's a good idea to be paying attention, and nope out if things turn sketchy!

  64. News corps treating Millennial's like they're 18 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "69 percent of scam victims are under the age of 45. Young adults heading off to college are especially gullible"

    Why do news corporations always try to make it sound like Millennials are still 18? It's 2018, 18 year olds in college at this time are out of the Millennial age range. I would say the majority are older than "college age" at this point. They especially wouldn't be "heading off to college" at this time. They've been there for a few years already.

  65. Um, millenials are old people by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Seriously, they're like 26 to 36 now.

    College?

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  66. Sooo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're telling me that younger, less experienced people are more likely to get scammed than older more experienced people. Who knew?

  67. Another hit piece on Millennial's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another hit piece on Millennial's...
    The tide swallowing bunch
    The vodka soaked tampon bunch
    Millennial's are stupid for leaning left
    Millennial's are stupid for being communist
    Millennial's are destroying the country

    And now Millennial's are stupid for being scammed...

    *sigh*

  68. Really?!? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Who voted for president Toad Dick, boomers or millenials?

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  69. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because good judgement is based on experience and experience is based on bad judgement.. duh!

  70. Just look at warming. by rs79 · · Score: 1

    More people believe in angels (46%) than warming (34%).

    That's what you get for skipping stats to go out and get a smoke.

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  71. Don't know enough about Cuba & Yugoslavia by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but the USSR and China were not, are not, never have been and probably never will be anything that even remotely resembles communism. They were fascist dictatorships that borrowed Carl Marx's rhetoric. Calling them communist is like calling Jerry Fallwell a Devote Christian. It's so obviously a lie on the face of it as to be laughable.

    This has nothing to do with theory. Again, communism is fundamentally a democratic process run by the proletariat. Neither the USSR and China have not been run as Democracies. What Stalin, Putin, Mao or Xi says, goes. And anyone who disagrees just disappears. This has nothing to do with ideology. It's the mechanics of government.

    These are all acknowledged facts. You're purposefully ignoring them to fit in with your ideological bent. It hurts you and it hurts me when you ignore facts and reality. And I don't mean emotionally, I mean real hurt. Economic hurt. Political hurt. When we give in to propaganda and "fake news" of the sort that lets obvious dictatorships hide behind their rhetoric just because we don't like what that rhetoric entitles we ignore their abuses and leave ourselves open to those same abuses. Nows the time to get woke. You're being had. You're being manipulated.

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    1. Re:Don't know enough about Cuba & Yugoslavia by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      For the love of god... Show me one instance of Communism that was implemented as you describe.. You cannot can you? If 100% of "communist" countries operate a certain way, THAT is communism. I don't disagree that it wasn't implemented as Marx laid out. But that doesn't matter. NOBODY has implemented it that way. It was implemented in a certain way and that's what it is. If you could show me one single instance of a communist country that was implemented as Marx described, I'd agree with you 100%. But it's 100% the way I describe it, and 0% the way you and Marx describe it.

      By the way, fascists don't nationalize private business. Hitler was a fascist, he didn't seize private enterprise, well... except from the Jews.. But that's a different can of worms.. He knew you had to have private enterprise to fund the government and the socialist programs that he did implement.

      I'd also argue that that is about the sole practical difference between how Communism and Fascism are IMPLEMENTED. One has private enterprise, one does not. Both are dictatorships IN PRACTICE. In fact, if China continues down the road they are on they'll be more closely aligned with Fascism than Communism as they are allowing more and more private business.

      Those two ideologies cannot be implemented any other way. If they could, there would be at least one instance where they had, most likely. Any system of government that does not account for human nature is a STUPID form of government... And in Communism, as described by Marx, that is one of the fundamental flaws.. Of course, the other one is that socialism is fucking evil.. But I suspect if I start in on that your head will explode.

    2. Re:Don't know enough about Cuba & Yugoslavia by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with theory. Again, communism is fundamentally a democratic process run by the proletariat. Neither the USSR and China have not been run as Democracies. What Stalin, Putin, Mao or Xi says, goes.

      Of course it does... Communism, as you describe it, is only theory. It has never been put into practice. Communism, as I describe it, is the only way it has ever been implemented.

      If you don't understand that.. then we are going to have one hell of a difficult time communicating.. I operate in the real world. Not in some fantasy that only exists in a book... I don't mean that tongue-in-cheek. I mean it quite literally.

  72. So I keep reading... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    Millennials are more likely to fall for scams, less likely to divorce, more likely to eschew large amounts possessions, more likely to own a small home or rent.
    Apparently, Millennial are simply Victorians

  73. Re:People going out in the world are more vulnerab by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    That's pretty funny. "Well, the Millenials fall for scams becuase they're gonig out into the world and are vulnerable, while the older people are just greedy and stupid for falling for them."

    No. If you fall for an obvious scam, you're a moron. Full Stop. Hell, you've got the entire internet to warn you against them, people twenty years ago only had word of mouth.
    And only the tail end of the millennials are going out anywhere, the rest should already have settled in.

  74. Re:"Educated" by liberals. Whos shocked? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    You sound like every deluded fool I backpacked around with in my twenties. Every difference from what they knew in the US was the best thing ever. Instead of seeing the sites and making judgement on what they knew versus what they were experiencing.
    "Oh, look how they slice their bread. SOOOOO much better".
    "Oh, look how cute that street layout is. it makes SOOOOOO much more sense.".

    I agree, seeing the world is good. Saying the US is a hellhole makes you, well, just like them.

  75. Re:"Educated" by liberals. Whos shocked? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I've seen plenty of the US. If you like it, awesome, at least one country we won't get refugees from, I guess. But bluntly, it's a bit like an oversized Disneyworld. Really awesome for a vacation and if you have money, you can basically get whatever you want and have a blast. But I wouldn't want to work there, ever. Or have to live there for more than maybe a month or so.

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